Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (08.01.2023)
The combined grouping of Russian troops (forces) in the areas of the Special Military Operation observed the declared ceasefire along the entire line of contact from 12 noon on 6 January until 24 noon on 7 January.
Throughout the entire period of the ceasefire, Ukrainian troops continued to conduct intensive shelling of populated areas and Russian positions.
◽️ In the Kupyan and Krasno-Limansky directions, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fired 78 artillery and mortar rounds.
◽️ The enemy used large-caliber artillery for shelling 155 times in the Soledar, Avdiivka, and Mariinsk directions.
◽️ Over 160 large caliber shells and 20 multiple rocket launchers were fired by Ukrainian forces into residential areas of Donetsk.
◽️ In Zaporizhzhia region, the enemy fired artillery fire 89 times.
◽️ Ukrainian artillery was used 55 times in the Kherson and Krivoy Rog directions.
💥 Retaliatory fire from Russian troops suppressed Ukrainian artillery, which was used to shell populated areas.
💥 After the end of the ceasefire on the Kupyansk direction, Russian troops hit concentrations of AFU manpower and equipment near Novoselovskoye in the Luhansk People’s Republic and Sinkovka in the Kharkiv region. More than 30 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored personnel carrier and two vehicles were destroyed.
💥 In addition, two enemy sabotage and reconnaissance groups were destroyed in the areas of Kotlyarovka, Kharkiv Oblast, and Novoselovskoye, Luhansk People’s Republic.
◽️ In the Krasno-Limansky direction, Russian units after the end of the ceasefire carried out artillery strikes against two AFU assault groups in the areas of Chervonaya Dibrova of the Lugansk People’s Republic and Serebryanka of the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as concentrations of enemy manpower and equipment in the areas of Makiivka and Stelmakhovka of the Luhansk People’s Republic. As a result of the strikes, more than 50 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored fighting vehicles, a pickup truck and a vehicle were destroyed. In addition, Ukrainian armed forces sabotage and reconnaissance groups were destroyed in the areas of Artemivka and Serebryanka settlements.
◽️ In the Donetsk direction, Russian artillery strikes thwarted an enemy attempt by up to a company of the 54th AFU Mechanized Brigade to counterattack Russian troop positions in the direction of the Spornoye settlement of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen, two armored combat vehicles and a pickup truck were destroyed.
◽️ In the South Donetsk direction near Novomikhailovka, Vladimirovka, Pavlovka and Neskuchnoye settlements of the Donetsk People’s Republic, actions of Ukrainian armed forces sabotage and reconnaissance groups were suppressed. More than 40 Ukrainian servicemen, an armored personnel carrier and three vehicles were destroyed.
💥 Strikes by tactical and army aviation, rocket and artillery forces hit the depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition of the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade and 60th Mechanized Brigade of the AFU in the areas of Krasny Liman and Konstantinovka settlements of the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as 84 artillery units in firing positions, live personnel and military equipment in 117 areas.
💥 In the course of the counterbattery fight, artillery crews of the howitzer battery of the 59th motorized infantry brigade and Grad multiple rocket launchers at firing positions in the areas of Karlovka and Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic were defeated.
💥 Russian Air Force fighter aircraft shot down five Ukrainian air force planes in 24 hours.
◽️ A Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jet was shot down near the village of Lozovoye, Kharkiv region.
◽️ A Ukrainian air force Su-24 aircraft was shot down near the settlement of Izyum, Kharkiv region.
◽️ Two Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft were shot down near the settlements of Mykolaypillya and Novy Donbass.
◽️ A Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft was shot down near the Veseloye settlement of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
💥 Anti-aircraft defense forces destroyed five Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Patalakhovka, Kuzemovka, Kuzmino, Kreminna and Pshenichne settlements of the Luhansk People’s Republic.
💥 In addition, 10 HIMARS and Uragan MBLRS rockets were intercepted in the areas of Kreminna of the Luhansk People’s Republic, Orekhov of Zaporizhzhia region, Stepne of the Donetsk People’s Republic and Donetsk city.
💥 An American anti-radar HARM missile was shot down near Kurdyumovka settlement of Donetsk People’s Republic.
!!!◽️ In response to the criminal strike of the Kiev regime, in the first minutes of January 2023, the command of the United Group of Russian Forces carried out a retaliatory operation against the Russian soldiers’ temporary deployment point in the settlement of Makeyevka, Donetsk People’s Republic.
◽️ During the past 24 hours, Russian reconnaissance assets uncovered and reliably confirmed through several independent channels the temporary deployment points of the AFU military personnel in the city of Kramatorsk.
◽️ There were over 700 Ukrainian servicemen in dormitory #28 and over 600 Ukrainian servicemen in dormitory #47.
💥 As a result of a massive missile strike on these locations of temporary deployment of AFU units, over 600 Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed.
📊 A total of
365(+5) aircraft,
199 helicopters,
2,848(+5) unmanned aerial vehicles,
400 surface-to-air missile systems, (Each AD Radar destroyed, no(Soviet pre ’91) spares/replacements, effectively: Unclaimed Kills)
7,449(+8) tanks and other armored combat vehicles,
972 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles,
3,787 field artillery and mortar guns, and
7,965(+8) pieces of special military vehicles.

Posted by: Summary | Jan 8 2023 14:27 utc | 4

@p3t3r
thx!
(the English archive of their site is apparently free. German is not. Which is good to know. That way I don´t have to check every single day.)

Posted by: AG | Jan 8 2023 15:16 utc | 6

Judging from todays MOD report, one gets the idea that Russian’s didn’t waste time or effort during the “cease fire”, either. They observed where the next ukro attack groups would pile up and bombed them after a while.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2023 15:23 utc | 8

unimperator | Jan 8 2023 15:23 utc | 8
5 planes destroyed means they were attacking during the ceasefire. What did they expect?
Petri Krohn | Jan 8 2023 15:06 utc | 5
In your dreams, the wind energy will save the industry or warm houses?

Posted by: rk | Jan 8 2023 15:27 utc | 10

A very interesting short documentary on how the Kiev regime altered the children’s curriculum to make them hate Russia and love the West and the Nazis
This was a very well planned set of changes, fully integrated with the US, NATO (handbook on how “NATO is more than just defence” taught in schools), and the Soros foundation. So sad how fast children can be turned against their own culture and Slavic brotherhood. This helps us understand why Putin’s hopes for early in the SMO were dashed by the level of Ukrainian resistance. This was just in the schools, same was happening on television, in film, radio etc.

Posted by: Roger | Jan 8 2023 15:38 utc | 12

No great insights from me today. Just that I think Mr. Putin needs to get ready and execute the big push to put these Ukie Bandera Fascists down for the count. War has gone on too long and Putin needs to step up the game.

Posted by: Peter Kurten | Jan 8 2023 15:49 utc | 14

MOD of Russia:

As a result of the criminal attack of Kiev regime, in the first minutes of January 2023, against the location of temporary deployment of Russian military personnel near Makeyevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), the command of the combined group of troops carried out a retaliatory operation.

Could anyone explain to me why the Makeyevka attack was considered by the MOD of Russia as a criminal one?

Posted by: Salvi | Jan 8 2023 16:12 utc | 16

@daniel_s #1
@rk #3
Russian Telegram channel Voennyy Osvedomitel on “600 dead Ukrainians”:

Let’s talk about “bullshitting.”
This phenomenon, which deeply affects our armed forces (and not only them), in recent months has become an active cause for discussion and condemnation both on our channel and among our colleagues. False briefings, reports forged at every level, meaningless reports and impunity for those who carry out these activities have long been a constant companion of current events.
For example, we are already accustomed to the fact that Mr. Konashenkov in his briefings destroyed almost more HIMARS pieces than were delivered to the Ukraine and have already shot down 4 times more Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft than the Ukraine had. However, sometimes the desire to cover one’s ass reaches incredible heights. And now, in an attempt to win back points in media space after the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the location of our soldiers in Makeevka, the Ministry of Defense issued an “operation retaliation,” striking at the location of Ukrainian soldiers in Kramatorsk.
Rocket attacks on the night of January 8 fell on the 28th and 47th schools in Kramatorsk, where enemy soldiers were quartered. As can be seen from the results from the spot, direct hits on the buildings were never achieved—the missiles hit either the ground nearby or neighboring garages, breaking windows and damaging the wall lining of schools.
It is not clear to us who and for what reason decided that 600 Ukrainian soldiers died inside at once, as the building was not actually hit (even the light remained on). It is not clear how this was reported and at what level they decided to “bullshit,” but we have what we have. Instead of the real destruction of the enemy personnel, which would have been a worthy response, an purely media operation of retaliation was invented.
If someone wants to inflict retribution for the death of Russian soldiers, then for this, firstly, it is necessary to punish those responsible for their massive concentration in the missile range, and secondly, to destroy the enemy preemptively and accurately, without timing it to any events.

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2023 16:19 utc | 18

from the not Ukraine thread:
Clip of a 1997 Biden speech on NATO expansion. In it he says the Russians told him they were threatened by it and it might force them to ally w/ China. Biden laughs and says, ‘Good luck – and try Iran too!’ This debacle is 30-years in the making.//
comment (nothing new, just a recap):
The US position is that Ukraine is a sovereign country and can decide if it wants to join NATO. That has run up against the threat of that change, added to the general NATO move eastward, against which Russia has needed to respond with force. This ought to be understood by the US given the many US assaults on faraway Asian and African nations which supposedly threatened US national security.
PS: I’d like to hear this point made strongly and repeatedly, as the US does with its position, in the media by someone from Russia, someone in the foreign ministry perhaps, although that seems to be asking a lot.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 8 2023 16:28 utc | 20

Russia needs to do a quick kill and regime change in Ukraine, partition it into a friendlier east and a hopeless west Ukr that can provide all the humans for trafficking to the west. Russia should use the forces of the east Ukr to increase the deterrence against NATO.
So, avoid killing unnecessarily, do a blitz attack on Kiev and do regime change and partition.

Posted by: nothing but the trut | Jan 8 2023 16:34 utc | 22

@Likklemore | Jan 8 2023 16:29 utc | 21

We, north of the 45 degree latitude, are puzzled that winter has not arrived.

Wrong, “we” have more snow than we have had for more than a decade. I don’t know where to put it.
The weather fluctuates, that’s normal.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2023 16:42 utc | 24

@18
Suspicion confirmed — take all self-centered claims of success on the battlefield with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 8 2023 16:53 utc | 26

Once Russia takes territory, do/can they use Ukraine trench systems and Salt Mines/tunnels to their own advantage?
If Bakmut and Soledar are well fortified, Wouldn’t Russia be able to defend it as well as Ukraine? With the exception of buildings, because buildings are mostly destroyed.

Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Jan 8 2023 16:55 utc | 28

Bradleys are mostly outdated trash.
More PR gymnastics from US White House.
LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 8 2023 17:14 utc | 30

From what I’ve been reading, looks like this war will drag on for years, achieving the U$A’s wet dream of bleeding Russia enough to destabilize the Russian economy, and give the U$A’s multi-nationals an advantage.
No sweat, it’s just business.
Greedy F’ing morons…….

Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 8 2023 17:18 utc | 32

Ramsey Glissadevil @ 28

Once Russia takes territory, do/can they use Ukraine trench systems and Salt Mines/tunnels to their own advantage? If Bakmut and Soledar are well fortified, Wouldn’t Russia be able to defend it as well as Ukraine? With the exception of buildings, because buildings are mostly destroyed.

I think the goal for Russia is to rebuild Bakhmut and all the other eastern cities as fast as possible like Mariupol, but yes good point, if they fall back Russia has plenty of strong, ready built fortifications. That could explain why the Ukrainians are fighting like all hell to hold onto it, the command understands that as bad as the meat grinder is now it’ll be much worse trying to take it back – and they do want to take it back.
BTW how RF goes about rebuilding the Donbas especially the western part pretty much obliges them to take over the whole country, otherwise the battle zones even if re-captured remain wastelands for decades like towns in Syria.
A Korean demilitarize zone isn’t going to cut it, the West will push that green line into the red relentlessly like in Syria. There could be a comprehensive ex-Warsaw Pact peace deal like Russia asked for since 1997, any bets on that? /sarc.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2023 17:30 utc | 34

Likklemore | Jan 8 2023 17:15 utc | 31

So are you dismissing the fact the technology exists.. to alter the weather?

You can’t read that from my post, I expressed no opinion on that question. You are not alone living I living north of the 45th. I said wrong on what I quoted . This year “we” have much more snow, much earlier than normal (max us usually in February&March), I have to go back to ~2010 or maybe early 1990s to find conditions like we have had the last week. The fluctuations in winter weather are large from year to year, and it has always been that way.
Weather is very localized. The current conditions in Ukraine cannot be judged from looking at the latitude only.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2023 17:39 utc | 36

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 8 2023 17:15 utc | 31
Odd. I live right about at the 44th. We’ve had a lot of warm weather here, but “fire up the lawn mower!” Um, no. Nothing growing for a while now — not even my Russian Red Kale.
The sun is just to low in the sky to stimulate any visible growth, at least of anything I grow here, including.
And of course, nothing dries out in this interminable mud season. 😒

Posted by: Mary | Jan 8 2023 17:43 utc | 38

On the eve of the Orthodox Christmas, representatives of the State Bureau of Investigation and the Security Service of Ukraine arranged for the opening of graves in cemeteries near Kazachya Lopan, Velikiy Burluk, Shypovatoye and Khatnoye (Kharkov region), where local citizens were buried who died of natural causes during the deployment of Russian troops in these areas from February 24 to September 6, 2022.
After the exhumation, the bodies of Ukrainian citizens were further disfigured and dumped into specially prepared ‘pits’ on the outskirts of these settlements to create false ‘evidence’ of alleged ‘torture’ and ‘shootings’ of civilians by Russian servicemen.
“Slow is best” + “Always retreat” strategy deserves such fakes. Sorry.

Posted by: rk | Jan 8 2023 18:02 utc | 40

re: LightYearsFromHome Post 34
Good answer, Light Year. Does Ukraine has a soldier-manpower-casualty tipping point…where war would end. I saw an estimate (by Colonel Anatoly Matviychuk) that the highest possible Ukraine mobilization was a total of 2.5-3.0 million. If that estimate is accurate…how many casualties could Ukraine suffer before the war would end?

Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Jan 8 2023 18:03 utc | 42

Sorry to repeat, but those of you looking to grok the Bradley go watch this, it’s on the torrents, Netflix, Apple TV, etc. MoA peeps will have fun:
The Pentagon Wars (1998)

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2023 18:04 utc | 44

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2023 17:30 utc | 34
I don’t believe in this rumor of “Korean style peace deal”. I think Zelensky et.al. are nobodies who are only making empty statements in the media to get paid.
Ukraine will become a large empty plot of land with a very large buffer and insulator between Poland and Novorrossija. USA will try to send trained terrorists through that land to commit terror attacks, and the buffer exists to bury them there and keep them from getting too close.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 8 2023 18:06 utc | 46

Is TASS reliable? According to them Ukraine is also capable of embarrassing cockups – can shoot their own planes down.
Ukrainian air force MiG-29 plane that was downed near Kurakhovo, DPR, was downed by a Ukrainian Osa missile air defense system.

Posted by: olaff22 | Jan 8 2023 18:12 utc | 48

@ Mary 38
That the joke here we comtemplate firing up the lawn mower.
= = = = =
Are there back channel negotiations?
RT has Kiev claiming:
Russia offering ‘Korea-style‘ peace deal

Moscow wants to formalize the status quo on the ground, Ukraine’s top security official said
Russia wants to impose a truce that would split Ukrainian lands, similar to how the Korean Peninsula is divided today, Aleksey Danilov, head of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, has said, as quoted by the country’s media. His statement came after Moscow reiterated that peace negotiations are possible if Kiev recognizes Russia’s new territories.
“They are currently offering us a Korean option. On one side we will have certain Ukrainians, and on the other side we will have different Ukrainians,” Danilov said in a TV interview on Sunday, according to Ukrainian news channel TSN.
The 1950–53 Korean War ended with a truce that formalized the 38th parallel as the de-facto border between North Korea and South Korea.
“I know for certain that one of the options they could offer us is the ‘38th parallel,'” Danilov said. He claimed that Dmitry Kozak, the deputy head of Russia’s presidential administration, has been speaking to EU politicians and “conveying the message that they are ready for many concessions in order to recognize the status quo and to force us into some kind of truce.”
[.]
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky unveiled a ‘peace formula’ in September, insisting that a resolution of the conflict is possible only if Moscow surrenders all of its newly incorporated regions. The Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, together with two other former Ukrainian territories – the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions – became parts of Russia after holding referendums last September. Crimea did the same in 2014 in the wake of a coup in Kiev that year.
Russia has called Zelensky’s terms unacceptable. President Vladimir Putin said in a phone call with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday that negotiations with Kiev could only happen if Ukraine recognized “new territorial realities.”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in late December that Ukrainian politicians were “incapable of negotiating” because “the majority are blatant Russophobes.”

After Hollande and Merkel’s confessionals …..coming clean,
talk is in indeed a waste of time until ALL goals accomplished. UKR is a member of NATO since 1996. They used the back door…this baby was born and is to be formally christened.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 8 2023 18:30 utc | 50

@Joe | Jan 8 2023 18:02 utc
is correct, as he claims

translation from Russian into English is sometimes problematic… Criminal might not be the correct adjective…but you know what they where trying to say surely

because, Konashenko didn’t use criminal (which would be криминальный), but

В ответ на преступный удар киевского режима в первые минуты января 2023-го года по пункту временной дислокации российских военнослужащих в населенном пункте Макеевка Донецкой Народной Республики командованием Объединенной группировки российских войск реализована операция возмездия.

which could be translated as criminal, maleficent, mafia-like, felonious …

Posted by: BG13 | Jan 8 2023 18:41 utc | 52

It would be pretty inconceivable that Russia would settle for any peace agreement that would allow the West to rearm Ukraine, even if it was with a patchwork of dilapidated Cold War gear. It would also be an admission of defeat and trigger domestic instability.
None of the sanctions would be removed or seized funds returned, and the Donbass would be no safer than before. It would in fact, be Minsk 3.
In fact, if the West were truly willing to go all out, they could use the seized funds to rebuild the Ukrainian military and with the 300 billion, it could be remade into a force that could do serious damage given enough time.
So the whole idea is Russia seeking a peace agreement that doesn’t involve Kiev being consigned to the dustbin of history is absurd given the price it would entail.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 8 2023 18:45 utc | 54

Mary, @38
Plenty of snow here at 44 N Latitude, more than a good number of years, hope to break our 3 year drought. I would have loved to give the Rus some of cold that arrived for real around the middle of Dec, ground plenty frozen now. The RF probably wouldn’t want as much snow as we now have. I’ve never really been into snowshoes for walking around in the winter but maybe needed this year if the current pattern continues…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 8 2023 18:55 utc | 56

@Paul Greenwood | Jan 8 2023 18:43 utc | 53

You are clearly a very uninformed voter………

I am not a voter, there is no party to vote for. And btw. It looks like M270 and Himars are not exactly the same thing.
Other than that, thanks for the info. That’s why I am not voting.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2023 19:08 utc | 58

Boo @ 54

So the whole idea is Russia seeking a peace agreement that doesn’t involve Kiev being consigned to the dustbin of history is absurd given the price it would entail.

The Korean deal wasn’t a peace deal it was submission by both sides to stark reality. Mao had no desire to extend the PLA and liberate Korea only to keep the USA off its border, Truman had no desire to be the idiot President that started WW3 immediately after WW2.
To this day there has never been a peace deal, the war is still ongoing with a 70 year long truce, could restart tomorrow. IOW the DMZ agreement was forced by circumstance on both sides not an outcome anyone wanted. A DMZ is not something you choose it’s a default condition. Just because it would be a miserable deal for both sides I wouldn’t write it off.
Question is what happens to Kharkov and Odessa, but then whatever does happen it has to be better than having your city wind up like Bakhmut or Mariupol.
Tough choices coming up soon.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 8 2023 19:21 utc | 60

Posted by: Roger | Jan 8 2023 15:38 utc | 12
«A very interesting short documentary on how the Kiev regime altered the children’s curriculum to make them hate Russia and love the West and the Nazis This was a very well planned set of changes, fully integrated with the US, NATO (handbook on how “NATO is more than just defence” taught in schools), and the Soros foundation. So sad how fast children can be turned»
Not just children:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ukraine-s-ex-president-petro-poroshenko-the-army-is-like-my-child-1.4885308
«The idea of Nato was “not very popular in Ukraine” to start, Poroshenko says, with just 16 per cent of Ukrainians supporting integration to Nato in 2013 right before he was elected president – but by the time he finished his term, 61 per cent did.»
What’s what $5 billions buy, very good value for money.
«against their own culture and Slavic brotherhood.»
That “Slavic brotherhood” is just putinian hand-waving: there have been many civil wears among slav (and other) “brothers”, e.g. serbs vs. croats etc.; what matter is interests.

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 8 2023 19:29 utc | 62

That “Slavic brotherhood” is just putinian hand-waving: there have been many civil wears among slav (and other) “brothers”, e.g. serbs vs. croats etc.; what matter is interests.
Posted by: Blissex | Jan 8 2023 19:29 utc | 62
Not really. But Nationalism is something rather horrible:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 8 2023 19:41 utc | 64

Dakota Rog@56
Coming from 47 N., I’ve been through that same sudden cold snap you experienced in S.D. Have long been following on a weekly basis, Dane Wigginton, who is probably the most deeply informed private individual on the longtime weather modification/control memes of the U$$A AirFarce. Though they claim to have shut down their monster tower array at Gakona, Alaska, I don’t believe that for a moment. Likely, they also possess satellite based systems, which like Gokona HAARP, also beam low frequency ratio waves at the ionosphere.
Perhaps the most telling example of the powers of weather control mechanisms occurred a couple years back when that huge hurricane was initially making a beeline for Palm Beach, Florida, a place where there are several billionaire mansions per acre. “Can’t have that!”. So somehow, through the powers of “magic”, that powerful force stalled out for two days and then made a 90 degree right-flank flip up towards the Canuckistani Maritime provinces.
There is zero doubt in my mind that weather weaponry is on an upper rung of the ladder of implements available to the Evil Empire. Russia lost their well developed capacity during the Yeltsin shutdown years. So for starters, Russia needs to employ their satellite weaponry to eliminate the Imperial ones which are a large factor in their weather war.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 8 2023 19:53 utc | 66

Long time lurker here – first post. I appreciate the education at MOA and have learned much from the barflies, especially about this war (SMO) and the military and political issues involved. I did a post at https://folkpotpourri.com/eulogy-for-the-fallen-soldier/ that adds a perspective from the soldiers’ tragic POV. Just trying to imagine what it must be like for those poor souls.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jan 8 2023 20:03 utc | 68

LightYearsFromHome @47
I tend to believe the Russian MOD because, in the past, the times I am able to fact checked them, their reports were shown to be to accurate.
US sources not so much. Some resemble the Iraqi WMD lies from 20 years ago. The worst stories from US sources are the ones where media images are doctored to support their lies.

Posted by: Woke American | Jan 8 2023 20:05 utc | 70

@BG13 Also “perfidious” , “wrongful” , “treacherous” , “maleficent” , “malfeasant” , “flagitous”, or even just “tough” , etc.etc.
In other words ‘wrong’, but not necessarily ‘criminal’, which is an artifact of an attempted literal translation of a deeply proverbial and often metaphorical language.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 8 2023 20:11 utc | 72

Merkel and Hollande turned coats. That should be obvious.
They tried to keep the real Body Snatchers out as long as they could.
To keep the real Partnership of Ever Closer Union that could provide the Collective security and bargaining power of Old Europe intact and ready for the next century of Human development on Earth. Safe from the US hegemonic system and natzo imperial forces occupying Western Europe for nearly a century now.
Their replacements, Manny and the Mean Greenies took mere months to wreck most of these plans as soon as Mutti was ‘retired’.
The current crop of wormtongues in the employ of the hegemony are doing a fine job of screwing the ordinary majority of Europeans.
Yellow Vests are on the march against En Marche, E Macron…
The removal of German Industry to North America is a ‘fall back’ plan to some strange enclave from which the Nazis can stay safe in their claims of supremacy over the ‘Other’ peoples and Cultures of the World.
That smell? It’s a revolution not seen for centuries in Europe. That’s why the rabbits are running to their bolt holes in the West.
—————————-
600 & 700 Ukrops annihilated without evidence so far?
I remember when the Iranians sent some missiles to avenge Solemanis assassination to a US Base. Potus Trump claimed there were no casualties from the ‘Hangars’ that were hit.
Quickly disproved by the medical flights back to US bases. It takes years to build deep and massive bunkers….. is that the answer in this conundrum? Haven’t seen any footage of the strikes, anyone? These hypersonics move faster and Han a blink of the eye 🤔

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 8 2023 20:11 utc | 74

The Russians would not publicly state they hit something for ‘revenge’ propaganda. They would just wait until they got something real.
The fact that they would publicly state why they decided to attack troops in a warzone had me thinking they hit some western grouping. Or a warning?
The entire concept of training conscripts on the front lines and publicly announcing where they are is really fishy to begin with.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 8 2023 20:25 utc | 76

I’m pro-Russia and hope they win. However, I do not believe for a second that Ukraine was stuffing 600+ soldiers into dormitories so close to the front line in Kramatorsk.

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Jan 8 2023 20:43 utc | 78

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 8 2023 20:22 utc | 75
In the end, it’s all a question of trust. Let’s revisit the numbers in two weeks. In the past, I found that if the numbers are small (e.g. 2 Ukrainian aircraft) the Russian MoD numbers were spot; if the numbers are round numbers (e.g. 50 Ukrainian soldiers killed) the number tends to be 10% low.
I trust the Russian MoD more than I trust crime and unemployment numbers, consumer price index, or gross domestic product as given by own government, but I realize that is not saying much.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 8 2023 20:48 utc | 80

@ aristodemos, #66
I haven’t followed HARP actions much but have a good person who has. Let’s try this on for a scenario. The U.S. is still the leading corn (maize) producer in the world but generally doesn’t export more than 20% of its production– my data is older so that may have changed. Ukraine grows a lot of corn but typically has had a greater percentage of its production exported primarily because its has less livestock feeding going on. Maybe the empire cartel wants to keep global corn prices at what they want to pay but if Ukie land is out for another corn growing season, the global trade volume needs to be maintained at the cartel’s target amount. So break the US western cornbelt drought and have that production pick up the Ukie land slack and the global price for corn stays about the same as always. Maybe. Maybe not…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 8 2023 20:52 utc | 82

@DakotaRog 56 @kupkee 63
Do you see any snow at all in these photos taken Jan. 7, 2023 at Link?
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/tent-removal-notices-at-victoria-park-sparks-dispute-with-homeless-advocates-1.6221857 Latitude is at 43.25.
Many areas in Western N. America got snow bombed.
So far this winter here the Snow plough boys are saving lots of $$$.
And of the homeless, Shame. billions available for UKR.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 8 2023 20:53 utc | 84

The US/NATO is heavily invested in propaganda warfare. They are fighting with propaganda/disinfo for the minds of the Russian people to break up the Russian Federation by planting untruths in their heads.
The Russians are fighting an industrial kinetic war. They intend to resolve the issue with facts on the ground, not illusions in people’s heads. They don’t care what Americans and Europeans think because they know it doesn’t matter what you think. Your promises and agreements cannot be trusted anyway.
Which of these two approaches to the conflict features lies as its principal weapon? Which is less served by lies?
There is little to nothing for the Russians to gain by lying, while untruths (lies) are how the West intends to achieve victory.
You can count on nearly 100% of what the US State Department and western presstitutes saying about the conflict being lies. Likewise, you can expect that most of what the Russian MoD says is close to the truth, as lies don’t gain them anything.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2023 21:05 utc | 86

Russian MoD: “As a result of a massive missile attack on these temporary housing areas of the Ukrainian military’s units, more than 600 Ukrainian servicemen were killed”
Italian journalist: “dormitory 28: the missile missed the target, made a big hole in the soft terrain and didn’t touch the buildings around
checking the second place, dormitory 47: the Russian missile missed the target, again. There’s a big hole in front of the building”
The MoD is talking about a massive missile attack, the Italian journalist is talking about two missiles. This does not sound as if they are talkkng about the same place.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 8 2023 21:18 utc | 88

“Russia often claims or over-claims casualties which is misleading people into thinking more Ukrainian soldiers have died than actually have.”
Assuming this FUD is true, what does it accomplish for Russia to lie like this? It isn’t going to convince the US to back off, and the Russian military still has to destroy those troops. Such a lie does not change facts on the ground, and for the Russians facts on the ground are what is important.
This notion that everything the Russians say is lies is irrational and reflects psychological projection. Not everyone in the world is a pathological liar just because you are.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2023 21:22 utc | 90

Tom Luongo weighs in on Turkye vis a vis NATO….
https://tomluongo.me/2023/01/05/turkiye-erdogan-flips-syria-head/
“The meeting between Russia, Turkiye, and Syria took place between their Defense Ministers where they all described the talks as ‘constructive’ towards solving multiple outstanding issues like refugees and the backing of radicals.
what Putin has done here, with Erdogan’s help, is turn the entire power dynamic of aggression on its head.
With elections on the horizon and Erdogan’s position tenuous for the first time in his political career, moves need to be made now to improve things. Allowing the millions of Syrian refugees the opportunity to go home would be a big win for Erdogan politically.
The Foreign Ministers are now clear to meet. Presumably, after that, Erdogan and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad will meet with the Russians as negotiator to hammer out an official end to Turkiye’s involvement in the Syrian War which began more than a decade ago.
Without Turkiye’s involvement in Syria, the Neocons’ goal of strangling Russia on gas imports to Europe never happens. This was the main impetus behind the Syrian War in the first place. To get him on board, Erdogan had to be bribed with a massive land grab, which he’s tried to accomplish.
But when he didn’t do enough to start a war with Russia in November 2015 after Turkiye supposedly shot down a Russian SU-24, he was rewarded with a coup attempt against him led by the CIA and US military out of the Incerlik airbase, by all accounts.
He was saved, apparently, by an early warning from Putin and ferried out to Iran to issue his counter-attack orders to the Turkish military on the night of the coup attempt.
This was the beginning of the end of Turkiye’s relationship with NATO and the US.
Now, the Russians can allow Syria and Iran to ‘defend themselves’ while keeping his hands mostly clean there.
Now the real ‘bluff calling’ phase of this situation begins.
Now, we’ll see how long “Biden” will keep troops in Syria, stealing oil and enforcing sanctions that Turkiye will make redundant in a few weeks?
Expect regime change operations in Turkiye this fall. Expect stepped-up Israeli aggression against both Syria and Iran until such time as Iran’s IRGC air force is strong enough to defend itself.
The timer is ticking on all of the conflicts in this region: Syria, Iraq, Yemen.
And the key to it all was always getting Erdogan to flip them all on their heads by helping expose the mendacity of this generation of ‘leaders’ in the West.”
We live in interesting times…..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 8 2023 21:29 utc | 92

Then where is the pictures of the dead soldiers, or any evidence that they died?
Posted by: MiniMo | Jan 8 2023 21:24 utc | 91
Make a note a two weeks from now in your agenda, and forget about the incident. In two weeks, you look back, and it will be pretty obvious who tried to mislead. This how you build confidence.
The same method also works with other news.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 8 2023 21:33 utc | 94

” Assuming this FUD is true, what does it accomplish for Russia to lie like this?
Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2023 21:22 utc | 90 ”
Same song like any other government. Its meant for internal consumption, aka, the Russian people.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 8 2023 21:39 utc | 96

@ MiniMo | Jan 8 2023 21:08 utc | 87
Thank you minimo. You’ve managed to convince me that the current directed programme narrative is to spuriously cast doubt on any & all reports by MOD, no matter how pathetic, infantile & demonstrably false, so as to undermine the claimed AFU casualties inflicted at Kramatorsk. And since all the known proven Trolls are ‘On the Job’ singing in one voice in perfect harmony, it must be true, hey ?
Credible corroboration of the claimed photo’s legitimacy ? Waitin ?
Your reference is this serial OUN-B Nazi apologist lying Corpse_MSM propagandist POS. Bingo was his Name-O!

Daniele Raineri
@DanieleRaineri
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Nov 28, 2022
Snigurivka, after eight months of Russian occupation. “A column of Russian armored vehicles entered the town for a cleansing operation like in a movie about the Wehrmacht”. November 2022

@ Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 8 2023 21:29 utc | 92
Are you perhaps able to translate Minimo linked image @ MiniMo | Jan 8 2023 21:20 utc | 89 please ?
If it’s what it seems. 🙁

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2023 21:48 utc | 98

@ Vikichka | Jan 8 2023 21:50 utc | 99

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Literal: “When cold revenge is served, the dish is always very good”.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 8 2023 21:55 utc | 100