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January 6, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-05
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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I had originally thought that this would be a short war since the Russians had the firepower to end it quickly if they really wanted. But the Ukraine is just one battlefield in WWIII which has been going on for a decade or two — a world war to be sure — but one like no other in recorded history, since it is a war fought by proxies mostly and by non-military, economic means. “War”= conflict. Not all violence is gun violence, or even physical. Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Jan 7 2023 2:26 utc | 101
I am working on a multi-player VR game called “Madam President” in which each player picks one of: Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 7 2023 2:30 utc | 102 Likklemore #96 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 2:39 utc | 103 @ 94; Thanks for that posting, maybe someone will grab a clue reading historical fact. A concept many can’t grasp.. Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 7 2023 3:01 utc | 104 Merry Christmas! Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 7 2023 3:03 utc | 105 @TruthSeeker Posted by: NJH | Jan 7 2023 3:06 utc | 106 Posted by s @3 Likklemore #101 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 3:16 utc | 108 @Juliana
https://twitter.com/e_l_g_c_a/status/1611243198587850754 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 7 2023 3:31 utc | 109 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 3:16 utc | 105 & 110 Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 7 2023 3:37 utc | 110 Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 7 2023 2:07 utc | 99 Posted by: Chris | Jan 7 2023 3:38 utc | 111
Totally off topic but what the hell. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 7 2023 3:47 utc | 112 Looks like Soledar has fallen to Russia tonight. Bakhmut is almost a goner for Ukraine as well then. Posted by: Comandante | Jan 7 2023 4:06 utc | 113 Would those who seriously think they are party to the truth of the situation in Ukraine regarding who is militarily winning or losing please step forward? robert homan’ newsletter: With twitter generals loudly insisting that Abrams tanks must now be dispatched to Ukraine…
https://vpk.name/en/672048_poland-has-signed-an-agreement-on-the-purchase-of-116-american-m1a1-abrams-tanks.html Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 7 2023 4:31 utc | 116 Opport Knocks @ 104 Posted by: circumspect | Jan 7 2023 4:35 utc | 117 @ Derek Henry | Jan 7 2023 2:07 utc | 99 Posted by: fanto | Jan 7 2023 4:35 utc | 118 Pro Ukrainian German “journalist” Julian Roelcke: Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 7 2023 4:50 utc | 119 Haven’t seen anyone reference or cite what Medvedev wrote on his telegraph on the 5th. Here’s the full translation of the two pieces:
Today’s entry is a very appropriate photo. Was Dmitri loosened by some libations? Somewhat I’d say. The reason for his angst can be read at the thread’s first comment.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 5:35 utc | 121
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27738 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 5:38 utc | 122 Julian @100: Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jan 7 2023 5:40 utc | 123
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27746 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 5:40 utc | 124
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27766 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 5:46 utc | 125 “TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone. ” Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 7 2023 5:57 utc | 126
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27738 Posted by: veto | Jan 7 2023 6:10 utc | 127 @james-77/78 Posted by: truthseeker | Jan 7 2023 6:18 utc | 128 @ truthseeker | Jan 7 2023 6:18 utc | 130 Posted by: james | Jan 7 2023 6:24 utc | 129 @Gabriel in Ireland, Posted by: truthseeker | Jan 7 2023 6:27 utc | 130 Weeb Union spends eight minutes and estimates troop numbers on both sides in the liberation of Ukraine from the nazi occupiers. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 6:55 utc | 131 @young | Jan 7 2023 0:33 utc | 84
Only Americans use the antiquated F scale. In Europe, please refer to Celsius. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 7:05 utc | 132 Russia wins again in Soledar
It doesn’t take a weatherman to see that Russia is winning. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 7:38 utc | 133 Link Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 7 2023 7:52 utc | 134 Video of Mother being refused entry in Orthodox Church (taken over by Kiev Regime) to bury her son. Posted by: Exile | Jan 7 2023 7:52 utc | 135 Russia wins again. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 8:06 utc | 136 Weeb Union War Updates renders a detailed report on Russian progressive victory in Soledar. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 8:38 utc | 137 @james-131 Posted by: truthseeker | Jan 7 2023 8:44 utc | 138 @karlof1-122 Posted by: truthseeker | Jan 7 2023 8:57 utc | 139 “pyramids of Nazca” Posted by: Blissex | Jan 7 2023 9:13 utc | 140 Opport Knocks @114 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 9:28 utc | 141 @young | Jan 7 2023 0:33 utc | 84 Posted by: Mary | Jan 7 2023 9:33 utc | 142 Here’s one of the best in the world, from the home country of Norwegian: Posted by: veto | Jan 7 2023 9:38 utc | 143 karlof1@122 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 9:40 utc | 144 @ uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 6:55 utc | 133 Mary #144 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 9:53 utc | 146 Setanta posted: Now I understand the Rus. Posted by: begob | Jan 7 2023 9:53 utc | 147 Outraged #147 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 9:56 utc | 148 My question is, one year after the Russian SMO began, why the eff is the Ukrainian front line still dug in one mile outside of Donetsk? If anything screams Russian incompetence, that does. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Jan 7 2023 9:58 utc | 149 downsouth@124 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 9:59 utc | 150 My question is, one year after the Russian SMO began, why the eff is the Ukrainian front line still dug in one mile outside of Donetsk? If anything screams Russian incompetence, that does. Posted by: Jzo | Jan 7 2023 10:22 utc | 152 Norwegian @134 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 10:24 utc | 153 Uncle Tungsten @139 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 10:36 utc | 154 Over time, Western countries will be able to cover the shortage of air defense systems in the Ukrainian army with their supplies, which will create a serious threat to the effectiveness of our long-range missile strikes on infrastructure and make it extremely problematic for the full return of the airborne forces to the battlefield. Posted by: rk | Jan 7 2023 10:49 utc | 155
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27831 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 10:57 utc | 156 Weeb Union spends eight minutes and estimates troop numbers on both sides in the liberation of Ukraine from the nazi occupiers.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27842 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 10:59 utc | 158
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27830 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 11:02 utc | 159
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27843 Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 11:03 utc | 160
Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2023 11:05 utc | 161 eing the averaged distance from the tip of the thumb to the knuckle in the human male. Thus, the ancient system is more organic, while Celsius’ system is more systematic and regular…and also more caught up in the Cartesian concept of “scientific materialism”. Posted by: rk | Jan 7 2023 10:49 utc | 157 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 7 2023 11:22 utc | 163 @Mary | Jan 7 2023 9:33 utc | 144
All sites use C except US American ones. Please use only C in Europe. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 11:28 utc | 164 Perhaps a tad OT… Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 11:32 utc | 165 abrogard | Jan 7 2023 11:17 utc | 164 Posted by: Johannes S. Herbst | Jan 7 2023 11:37 utc | 166 @aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 10:24 utc | 155 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 11:41 utc | 167 @DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 11:32 utc | 167
Not if you read what I said. “Only Americans” os too wide, it should be “Only US americans”. The world, except US americans, uses Celsius. The US american viewpoint is the narrow one. Using F scale about temperatures in Ukraine is, shall we say, disrespectful. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 11:50 utc | 168 @aristodemos | Jan 7 2023 10:24 utc | 155 Posted by: daniel_s | Jan 7 2023 11:52 utc | 169 TASS, Jan. 4 — Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 7 2023 12:02 utc | 170 My God. Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 7 2023 12:03 utc | 171 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jan 7 2023 5:40 utc | 125 “What was supposed to be a quick but incomplete Russian walk over, but a crushing economic war, with an insurgency of the remaining angry young military aged males, has turned into a meat, material and money furnace for the West.” Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 7 2023 12:10 utc | 172 Abe | Jan 6 2023 23:33 utc | 74 Posted by: grunzt | Jan 7 2023 12:12 utc | 173 Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 11:50 utc | 171 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 12:21 utc | 174 Ah… I begin to get some real information: Posted by: daniel_s | Jan 7 2023 11:52 utc | 172 Roadblock and Uncle Tungsten: Posted by: James c | Jan 7 2023 12:52 utc | 177 Ah, the exceptionalism of the Imperial System has manifested itself in the thread. Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Jan 7 2023 12:53 utc | 178 No wonder there’s trouble in the world if people get upset about different measurement systems. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 7 2023 12:59 utc | 179 Actually Fahrenheit is good if you’re used to it, because it’s got a bigger range, though I use Celsius for scientific calcs. But Celsius isn’t perfect, or Absolute Zero would be 0, not -273. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jan 7 2023 13:05 utc | 180 Ricardo Ramirez | Jan 7 2023 12:53 utc | 182 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 13:06 utc | 181 Posted by: Jzo | Jan 7 2023 10:22 utc | 154 Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 7 2023 13:07 utc | 182 As someone else has said “Just the view from my knothole”. Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 13:18 utc | 183 Meanwhile, ukraines defences in Solidar are collapsing. Verified footage, geo-located, show ukraine troops high tailing out of the town. The salt mines are also being taken by the Russians. Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 7 2023 13:40 utc | 184 This Ukraine thread about Cahuachi in Peru seems to be measured in nanoinches 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 7 2023 13:50 utc | 185 Those who claim Fahrenheit is a “finer gradation scale” seem unaware of the fact that Celsius is entirely capable of employing decimals. As is Fahrenheit. Both gradations are equally and infinitely fine except to those who can’t handle numbers on the right side of a decimal point. Posted by: malenkov | Jan 7 2023 14:04 utc | 186 Today’s clown world, the quisling is now nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 14:07 utc | 187 Posted by: malenkov | Jan 7 2023 14:04 utc | 190 Posted by: Abe | Jan 7 2023 14:10 utc | 188 In 2018 and 2020 he put forward U.S. President Donald Trump as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize; any member of parliament may propose candidates…………….Tybring-Gjedde was a civil servant in the Ministry of Defence before he entered politics. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 7 2023 14:13 utc | 189 @Brother Ma | Jan 7 2023 13:07 utc | 186
You just said something about their brains and why we should not care. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 14:19 utc | 190 @malenkov | Jan 7 2023 14:04 utc | 190
Lol, perfectly stated. I was considering something like that, but you said it better. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 14:23 utc | 191 karlof1 | Jan 7 2023 5:20 utc | 122 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 7 2023 14:23 utc | 192 CC @ 11 asked; “If the Russophiles are correct then how would the NATO-ites explain it?” Posted by: Fnord73 | Jan 7 2023 14:25 utc | 193 @Doug Hillman | Jan 7 2023 14:23 utc | 196 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2023 14:29 utc | 194 Fnord73 | 7. Januar 2023 14:25 Posted by: Pierre | Jan 7 2023 14:33 utc | 195 Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 7 2023 13:40 utc | 188 Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 7 2023 14:33 utc | 196 Likklemore | Jan 7 2023 3:37 utc | 96, 101, 112 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 7 2023 14:40 utc | 197 “Martyanov today showed some interesting maps of how the Zircons make a geopolitical difference.” Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 7 2023 14:44 utc | 198 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jan 7 2023 13:18 utc | 187 Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 7 2023 14:52 utc | 199 After sending the elderly Ukraine is now sending ever more kids, what a disgraceful/depressing end for this 💩 state. To think that in the 1960s-1970s Ukraine was more industrialized than Germany,and (despite what American anti soviet propaganda may claim) more developed than most of Europe. The USSR made one too many mistakes, first carved up Russia into statelets, including the cancer that is Ukraine (unlike China that only granted regions a certain autonomy), second, failed to denazify Galicia, that along with a series of other mistakes led to this. Even so, All this could have been avoided, if Gorbachev had been shot in 1985. Russia has been led by either naive/incompetent , corrupt or westernized traitors for over 40 years. Gorbachev and the Soviet politburo(oligarchy ) sold the country out and gave the world on a silver plate for the west to corrupt/exploit. Soviet economy (GDP ppp) had reached over 60% of america’s in the early 1970s, with a growth of 5-6% year during the 1960s . What Russia has achieved until now (other than in agriculture) is barely recovering what they once had. Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 Is now richer than Russia, surpassing Russia in GDP per capita and HDI . must be humiliating for the Russians who used to look down on central Asian republics. With a declining population (needing hundred thousands of migrants just not to fall) only a miracle could turn Russia into a (economic) superpower Posted by: Phariah | Jan 7 2023 14:52 utc | 200 |
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