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January 6, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-05
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Now I understand the Rus. Posted by: Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1 Merry Christmas to all, Russian and Ukrainian alike. May the SMO find positive resolution this year. Posted by: Fudup | Jan 6 2023 17:57 utc | 2 “There can’t be Nazism in the Ukraine because Zelenskiy is Jewish.” Posted by: S | Jan 6 2023 17:59 utc | 3 Yesterday, president Biden tried to read/say something: ‘the patriot missiles are helping UKR’ and
[source: Sputniknews and Youtube] Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 6 2023 18:13 utc | 4 With the U.S. ready to supply hundreds of Bradley IFVs to Ukraine, it becomes more important than ever for Russia to shut off the flow of fuel to Ukraine. It is puzzling that the Russians can’t locate and destroy long trains of petroleum tank cars entering Ukraine. Loitering UAVs should be able to accomplish this. Posted by: HH | Jan 6 2023 18:13 utc | 5 I’m intrigued by the UAF switchover to green armbands… a sop to the German greens? …or just perhaps, there are so many Polish, Romanian and other plants replacing the dead “Ukrainians” and wearing blue/yellow armband is an affront to them…? Posted by: Simplicius | Jan 6 2023 18:15 utc | 6 Likklemore @ #four Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 6 2023 18:30 utc | 7 Posted by: Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1 Posted by: David F | Jan 6 2023 18:42 utc | 8 Likklemore no. 4 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 6 2023 18:49 utc | 9 H.H.@5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 6 2023 18:50 utc | 10 What is really happening? Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jan 6 2023 18:51 utc | 11 @Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 6 2023 18:54 utc | 12 Found it, can’t verify it’s veracity, but supposedly Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Posted by: David F | Jan 6 2023 18:59 utc | 13 Laugh of the day. Posted by: Mummer | Jan 6 2023 19:00 utc | 14 Posted by: S | Jan 6 2023 17:59 utc | 3 Posted by: Lord of the Fleas | Jan 6 2023 19:03 utc | 15 Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1 Posted by: htyul | Jan 6 2023 19:04 utc | 16 I find that it is mostly attributed to unknown author, although I found another place where it was attributed to Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, although I don’t know who he is. Posted by: David F | Jan 6 2023 19:04 utc | 17 Christian Chuba, Posted by: Comandante | Jan 6 2023 19:06 utc | 18 https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/kriegsdienstverweigerer-105.html Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 6 2023 19:07 utc | 19 w.r.t. to the assault on Bakhmut, one reads of uber-fortified buildings that can take over a week to deal with …..a minimal amount of research discloses that Russia’s 240 mm. bore 2S4 Tyulpan (Tulip) giant mortar is capable of destroying fortified buildings with its 228 kg. projectile. Posted by: chet380 | Jan 6 2023 19:11 utc | 20 Mummer @ 14 Posted by: circumspect | Jan 6 2023 19:18 utc | 21 circumspect | Jan 6 2023 19:18 utc | 21 Posted by: Mummer | Jan 6 2023 19:30 utc | 22 [.] As the embodied representative of the U$$A, the co-engineer of the Maidan coup and the recipient of grease money from numerous corporations and other special interests over the years, beginning with the ruling corporations in his home state of Dupont; Joe Biden presents the face of our ruptured republic to the people right across the globe.[.] Posted by: Likkmore | Jan 6 2023 19:33 utc | 23 Regarding (20) 2S4 Tyulpan (Tulip) giant mortar : it is awe inspiring weapon for attacking fortified positions but it has low range and takes time to set up and reload, and is thus vulnerable to counter battery fire. All videos of Russian artillery show them to be highly cognizant of counter battery : moving from hiding point to firing point, fire at target, and then quickly move. Posted by: FkDahl | Jan 6 2023 19:36 utc | 24 I recommend reading War and Peace during this conflict. Many things in war never change. It will help you understand Russian and European mentality. Posted by: Comandante | Jan 6 2023 19:56 utc | 25 @ Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1
Re comments @ 21 – 23: Posted by: Jen | Jan 6 2023 19:58 utc | 27 Posted by: Jen | Jan 6 2023 19:58 utc | 27 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 6 2023 20:09 utc | 28 After more research it is supposed to be in this book by Solženicyn, Aleksandr: Posted by: David F | Jan 6 2023 20:13 utc | 29 Posted by: Simplicius | Jan 6 2023 18:15 utc | 6 Posted by: catdog | Jan 6 2023 20:17 utc | 30 Posted by: S | Jan 6 2023 17:59 utc | 3 Posted by: JHW | Jan 6 2023 20:18 utc | 31 CC @ 11 asked; “If the Russophiles are correct then how would the NATO-ites explain it?” Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 6 2023 20:20 utc | 32
I surmise that his being the front-runner is due to having been House Minority Leader and House Majority Leader in previous Congresses, and that these posts give the holder lots of influence over the disposition of money from taxes and political contributions. Posted by: David Levin | Jan 6 2023 20:20 utc | 33 Posted by: Setanta | Jan 6 2023 17:56 utc | 1 Posted by: Jeff | Jan 6 2023 20:29 utc | 34
I haven’t attempted to verify the source of the quote you’re interested in. However, The Gulag Archipelago seems to contain many thought-provoking quotes. Posted by: David Levin | Jan 6 2023 20:31 utc | 35 It seems something good foe Russia is happening in Soledar. The city is being abandoned by AFU and friends. But it is also being said they’re avostaling themselves into the local salt mines!! Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 6 2023 20:32 utc | 36 Perhaps not quite everyone in Europe is as keen on “defending” Ukraine as our leaders and media would like us to believe…. Posted by: Red Star | Jan 6 2023 20:34 utc | 37 Jihadi Julian reports that half of Soledar is taken and the rest is being encircled. Finally starting to look like RU advance is accelerating. Wagner says not to celebrate too soon. Posted by: catdog | Jan 6 2023 20:36 utc | 38
Intelslava reports that UA troops are being withdrawn from Bakhmut and redeployed on the Belarus border. (I’m skeptical) Posted by: catdog | Jan 6 2023 20:43 utc | 40 @ no. 1 Posted by: safe | Jan 6 2023 20:43 utc | 41 @ McCarthy Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 6 2023 20:48 utc | 42 Jen @ 27 Posted by: circumspect | Jan 6 2023 20:50 utc | 43 Hmmm the odd red herring. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 6 2023 20:51 utc | 44 re: Outraged | Jan 6 2023 20:39 utc | 39 Posted by: HOBO 3 | Jan 6 2023 20:55 utc | 45 re: Outraged | Jan 6 2023 20:39 utc | 39 Posted by: HOBO 3 | Jan 6 2023 20:55 utc | 46 Here’s the Gulag, but the quote does not appear to be in it Posted by: htyul | Jan 6 2023 20:59 utc | 47 Ok i guess they aren’t burning out the mines the insides are huge, and they could be connecting them secretly underground. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 6 2023 21:18 utc | 48 @43 Posted by: safe | Jan 6 2023 21:19 utc | 49 I also tried a search for the words “unholy vengeance” at the Interbet Archive on two different volumes with no luck, then I saw David F had done a similar search. Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 6 2023 21:20 utc | 50 Tolstoy was an officer in the Russian Army and fought in the Crimean War. His father fought in the war against Napoleon. Tolstoy knew war. Posted by: Lysias | Jan 6 2023 21:21 utc | 51 Mummer @ 22 said in part; ” but the overwhelming power of the Democrats (who own media, academia, corporations, intelligence agencies, the RINOs, and every other power base) were too much for a single individual.” Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 6 2023 21:25 utc | 52 Posted by: Christian Chuba | Jan 6 2023 18:51 utc | 11 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 6 2023 21:32 utc | 53 Interesting that giant transport planes can deliver armoured vehicles unhindered and get delivered to front lines and kill Russian soldiers. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Jan 6 2023 21:38 utc | 54 https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/kriegsdienstverweigerer-105.html Posted by: CM of Germany | Jan 6 2023 21:39 utc | 55 David F | Jan 6 2023 20:13 utc | 29 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 6 2023 21:39 utc | 56 Comandante @ 25 Posted by: Klutch Kargo | Jan 6 2023 21:48 utc | 57 “That meme has been circulating on the net for some months now. No idea of its origins, but yes, it is profound.” Posted by: Ed | Jan 6 2023 22:01 utc | 58 Posted by: Apollyon | Jan 6 2023 22:10 utc | 59 Now there are rumors that UA is retreating from Krasna Hora. If that’s true, UA must be about to abandon Bakhmut too. Posted by: catdog | Jan 6 2023 22:12 utc | 60 “The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back their lives as they have lived them, are over.” Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 6 2023 22:13 utc | 61 Hohum …
Comment: Per Intel Slava, General Winter has arrived, opening a 10-day window of cold enough temps to deep freeze the ground…Says there *may* br an offensive coming, but no massive buildups to suggest a big one. Any offensive will probably be small to test 404’s handling of a 2nd front. Posted by: Mary | Jan 6 2023 22:41 utc | 63 Good to hear of further nazi destruction after the brief Russian cease fire ended. That is, ended on the Russian side as the mongrel Zelensky nazi team piked out. Its clear they don’t have the ticker for it. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2023 22:49 utc | 64 “The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back their lives as they have lived them, are over.” Posted by: Roadblock | Jan 6 2023 23:03 utc | 65 Re the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, I assume b, as an ex-tank-officer, is well aware of Martyanov’s comment on his blog today…
Dude named FunnyMan posted this comment:
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 6 2023 23:04 utc | 66 Roadblock #67
The way I see it is that all those snipers in the 2014 were shooting at the police and demonstrators in Maidan Square because they wanted to be left alone. It is axiomatic that sniping is a lonely man’s role. The men need to be left alone and in solitary confinement are the ones who seek purpose in nazism. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2023 23:12 utc | 67 @ uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2023 23:12 utc | 69 Posted by: james | Jan 6 2023 23:14 utc | 68 hit piece on cbc today about the cease fire.. i don’t know why i bother, lol. Posted by: james | Jan 6 2023 23:17 utc | 69 @Blissex #54:
No. It can’t be Russian citizens. That’s the whole point. In Russia, this is impossible. In the Ukraine, on the other hand, it is very possible and actually happens frequently, because it has been normalized.
Invasion of Yugoslavia? Look at the smartphone on the table.
It could be. Or it could be true.
Why all this “sarcasm” is always coming from the same country, I wonder? Must be a very sarcastic country. And the sarcasm is somehow always revolving around doing a Hitler salute, drawing swastikas, shouting “Glory to the Ukraine! Glory to heroes!” (official OUN slogan adopted in 1941), etc. Posted by: S | Jan 6 2023 23:20 utc | 70 Followup to @ Outraged | Jan 6 2023 22:28 utc | 63 Posted by: Outraged@highlander. | Jan 6 2023 23:20 utc | 71 The more time passes, the more I realize big truth. Stalin was right. Posted by: Abe | Jan 6 2023 23:33 utc | 72 Have you guys seen the latest article from Patrick Cockburn on Counterpunch? Posted by: TruthSeeker | Jan 6 2023 23:44 utc | 73 Posted by: TruthSeeker | Jan 6 2023 23:44 utc | 75 Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Jan 6 2023 23:50 utc | 74 @ TruthSeeker | Jan 6 2023 23:44 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Jan 6 2023 23:51 utc | 75 The way I see it is that all those snipers in the 2014 were shooting at the police and demonstrators in Maidan Square because they wanted to be left alone. It is axiomatic that sniping is a lonely man’s role. The men need to be left alone and in solitary confinement are the ones who seek purpose in nazism. Posted by: Roadblock | Jan 7 2023 0:04 utc | 77 @79 You forgot to add… a puppet that would have allowed the US to build a base in Crimea. Posted by: dh | Jan 7 2023 0:14 utc | 78 Well then if it was such a concern about bombs so close to the border why wait 8 years??? Odd Posted by: Roadblock | Jan 7 2023 0:20 utc | 79 @81 When it came to Crimea Putin didn’t hesitate 5 minutes. Understandable. Posted by: dh | Jan 7 2023 0:23 utc | 80 Yes we saw the opportunity to fuck what another little guy and he could not resist. Fair enough Posted by: Roadblock | Jan 7 2023 0:28 utc | 81 Mud Freezing: According to the 14 day weather forecast at Donetsk City, the daily, average HI/LO temperature Posted by: young | Jan 7 2023 0:33 utc | 82 Outraged@highlander. #73
Thank you. All the more reason for the liberators to make dramatic advances, if not leaps. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 7 2023 0:33 utc | 83 I find that it is mostly attributed to unknown author, although I found another place where it was attributed to Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, although I don’t know who he is. Posted by: Bearish panda | Jan 7 2023 0:37 utc | 84 “NEOCONS v. Trump. Both agree on Israel. I wonder what the deep politics of that looks like?” Posted by: nothing but the trut | Jan 7 2023 0:40 utc | 85 Coup d’état. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 7 2023 0:40 utc | 86 Posted by: David F | Jan 6 2023 19:04 utc | 17 Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 7 2023 0:46 utc | 87 Posted by: HH | Jan 6 2023 18:13 utc | 5 Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 7 2023 0:46 utc | 88 Was it the Yoruba or the Puyuma who built the pyramids of Nazca? Posted by: gatobart | Jan 7 2023 0:59 utc | 89 „May God bless us all,” says Fudup. Human morons have invented several thousand gods. So which one is it, Fudup? Posted by: Robert | Jan 7 2023 0:59 utc | 90 “Was it the Yoruba or the Puyuma who built the pyramids of Nazca?” Posted by: Blissex | Jan 7 2023 1:24 utc | 91 Posted by: Roadblock | Jan 6 2023 23:03 utc | 67 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 7 2023 1:29 utc | 92 Posted by: mishin05 | Jan 6 2023 20:49 utc | 43 Posted by: Ed | Jan 7 2023 1:32 utc | 93 WOW. published yesterday 05.01.2023.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 7 2023 1:50 utc | 94 Posted by: Outraged | Jan 6 2023 22:28 utc | 63 Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 7 2023 1:50 utc | 95 Posted by: Blissex | Jan 7 2023 1:24 utc | 93 Posted by: gatobart | Jan 7 2023 2:07 utc | 96 nothing but the trut | Jan 7 2023 0:40 utc Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 7 2023 2:07 utc | 97 As I write in my recent article on Substack, while the Russians have the means for a large-scale and successful offensive, “Why bother?”. Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Jan 7 2023 2:17 utc | 98 Extracted Part 2; a continuation from my post @ 96. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 7 2023 2:18 utc | 99 The comparison between Russian strategy and Grant’s has been made variously by people like Berletic, Mercouris and MacGregor. It bears thought and I detail it here with reference to the Ukraine.. Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Jan 7 2023 2:19 utc | 100 |
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