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January 15, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-14

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Patroklos | Jan 15 2023 21:20 utc | 82
when a person can’t pay his rent, what will he argue himself into:
the need to go back to the amazon sweat shop? or the severity of the coronavirus?
the conditions for rational analysis are not present when people live in a state of terror.
and you are not an exception.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 15 2023 23:19 utc | 101

@ patroklos 82
Two things to add to your fine thoughts.
During 2020/21, mass demonstrations were encouraged so long as they were leftist. Indeed, by some miracle, the virus, like Clark Kent transforming into Superman, was never seen in the same place as the BLM riots and vice versa. And this in a time where there are no longer any phone booths to quickly conduct your transformation in. It was a great mystery.
The second point is to Lenin’s idea of Revolutionary Defeatism where the horrific outcomes of the war abroad would lay the proper domestic conditions for the Marxists to seize control at the right moment.
The same is at play here: central planners are arranging the house of cards and planting thermite on all the queens underpinning the tower.
By losing and losing badly, the opportunity once again arises for central planners to institute their final solution away from messy free markets. You can cast disparagement at capitalism all you want, the only thing I ask you to consider is that FDR’s New Deal and WW2 was mostly about avoiding a free market collapse, where western finance capitalism would have been completely exposed by the NSDAP’s simulataneous success with its labor and its abandonment of usurious practices.
The pandemic and our economic arrangement is of course ripe for discussion. I will simply state that it is my thought that absolute control over a respitory virus is stupid in the last though you can guide a state’s course when dealing with it in a rational way.
It was never going to be zero covid in the u.s. because we are not China and the state already took hell for showering its preferences on all the big corporate monsters by shuttering mom and pop businesses. And the state could not have closed everything because then the giant leviathan known as the U.S. would have lost the ability to police the world…this should be easy to see and I hope it is because I would rather not explain how the domestic situation would have quickly unraveled then and how you can not conduct war abroad with a disintegrated domestic situation.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 15 2023 23:29 utc | 102

Tomorrow we celebrate the life of a great man. We all know him for his role in civil rights, but an important part of his legacy is his, at the time, very controversial stand against war, and how he connected the two movements.
We may also envision an application of King’s reasoning to the current US’s “ironclad” devotion and financial support to a European war while thousands of Americans are in need of housing, employment, medical care and yes, civil rights..
…excerpts from Dr King’s speech on April 4, 1967, at a time when much of the US population had been convinced by the media that the US conduct of the war against Vietnam was a good thing.
Beyond Vietnam — A Time to Break Silence

Over the past two years, as I have moved to break the betrayal of my own silences and to speak from the burnings of my own heart, as I have called for radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many persons have questioned me about the wisdom of my path. At the heart of their concerns this query has often loomed large and loud: “Why are you speaking about the war, Dr. King?” “Why are you joining the voices of dissent?” “Peace and civil rights don’t mix,” they say. “Aren’t you hurting the cause of your people,” they ask? And when I hear them, though I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment or my calling. Indeed, their questions suggest that they do not know the world in which they live.
…Since I am a preacher by calling, I suppose it is not surprising that I have seven major reasons for bringing Vietnam into the field of my moral vision. There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor — both black and white — through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam, and I watched this program broken and eviscerated, as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So, I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15 2023 23:32 utc | 103

Posted by: K | Jan 15 2023 23:11 utc | 98
Here here. End of.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 15 2023 23:37 utc | 104

https://www.hurix.com/8-effective-strategies-to-help-students-prepare-for-future-layoffs/
workforce compliance is also a big win for this “education” company.
Anyway, “Who Gets in and Why: A Year Inside College Admissions” by Jeffrey Selingo (Scribner, 2020) is a book I grabbed at the local pub lib, curious what an expert says about getting into college during corona (did they go to University of Bologne during the plague? i don’t think so. Starbucks U? You betcha!)
“Ch 1: Selling a College: the Endless Pursuit of Students” presumes to give a short history of current school admissions practice, in which nothing makes sense except through the author’s reification of market forces. There is no other history outside the somewhat misguided but unalloyed desire of schools to use the market to fulfill their educational mandate by bringing in more students. Free schools (or tuition), as in California, were simply unsustainable. There was no uproar, no tumult, no rebellion, no historical forces at work in developing the student debt regime et al other than the wholesome concern of teachers and educators who unfortunately butt heads with economic reality. Education helps the students understand this, grasp how the Nixons and Reagans and Clintons and Trumps are not running their education as a business whose goal, beside profit, is to create little hurix cogs or cannon fodder or patients in need of behavioral and medical care.
btw, I recently read a student’s admission essay to Boston U. 16 years old and the overachiever already knows that covid is so yesterday. “When I cough or feel a tinge in my stomach, I start researching…” cancer, etc. In an essay where he used Didion’s “The Year of Magical Thinking” in his answer. This person is surrounded by educators, and I was not the first or only person to read this essay. so fun to see these little liars blooming on the capitalist poison tree, in real time.
Kids today! laying the foundation for years of psychotherapy as they try to explain to themselves why they are disabled for life, simply because mum and dud insisted they get into Harvard during the plague.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 15 2023 23:42 utc | 105

On the subject of FUD, there does seem to be a conflation happening, with many articles and voices saying the pandemic is still raging – i.e. witness the continuing devastation – and no voice talking about vaccine injury – i.e. witness the devastation.
The “Let Them Eat Plague” piece is one such example, out of many.
In China, as reported previously, they seem to be talking about a pandemic that has a real dimension made up of metrics, and which is now subsiding, as one would expect – witness the diminishing devastation.
By contrast, the conflation I mention above shows no such subsiding – witness, again, which way the devastation is going.
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On the subject of conflation, I keep seeing references made in articles and in this thread to a large cohort of people who are denying the existence of C-19. I must say, I’ve encountered almost no comments anywhere – ever – to this effect.
I keep hearing “covid-denier” perhaps as often as I hear “anti-vaxxer” but both of these appellations seem like strawmen to me. These people surely exist but they have to be a miniscule portion of the overall conversation.
Most people I’ve ever discussed this event with, in life and online – including here – agree the virus is real, and so is its disease. That’s not where their contention lies.
Just a comment on taxonomy and nomenclature. Do with it as you will.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 15 2023 23:57 utc | 106

Voltaire’s latest newsletter, offered to the general public for a change (usually behind paywall):
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/20230106_voltaire_22_en_b.pdf
My 2cents on covid issue:
first, I wish I knew what b’s position is viz the blog. I never caught a clear statement. Sometimes he publishes articles about it but then sometimes discussing it is a no-no. Would be nice to get a clear take.
Second: the biggest problem with most of these things is the tendency on the part of far too many to resort to insult instead of reasoned disagreement or simply not responding. For some reason opinions different from one’s own unsettle some barflies who then lash out in ways which, essentially, lower the tone of the bar for all involved and make any further discussion unpleasant.
Nemesis: I can’t wrap my head around the Brazil situation either. But that’s like many things these days, including covid and Ukraine. The presented fact patterns or meta narratives feel off somehow. My best guess is that there is so much of a deception quotient in the mix that the narratives don’t ring true to basic norms of ‘reality.’ So I take deception as a given and then let go of trying to see behind the veil overmuch. Is the campaign in Ukraine a real or a phony war? I simply cannot tell and gave up months ago trying to determine one way or another although do try to keep an open mind unless and until it becomes crystal clear what is going on there one way or another.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 16 2023 0:04 utc | 107

Voltaire’s latest newsletter, offered to the general public for a change (usually behind paywall):
Cannot post link but: w w w etc
voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/20230106_voltaire_22_en_b.pdf
My 2cents on covid issue:
first, I wish I knew what b’s position is viz the blog. I never caught a clear statement. Sometimes he publishes articles about it but then sometimes discussing it is a no-no. Would be nice to get a clear take.
Second: the biggest problem with most of these things is the tendency on the part of far too many to resort to insult instead of reasoned disagreement or simply not responding. For some reason opinions different from one’s own unsettle some barflies who then lash out in ways which, essentially, lower the tone of the bar for all involved and make any further discussion unpleasant.
Nemesis: I can’t wrap my head around the Brazil situation either. But that’s like many things these days, including covid and Ukraine. The presented fact patterns or meta narratives feel off somehow. My best guess is that there is so much of a deception quotient in the mix that the narratives don’t ring true to basic norms of ‘reality.’ So I take deception as a given and then let go of trying to see behind the veil overmuch. Is the campaign in Ukraine a real or a phony war? I simply cannot tell and gave up months ago trying to determine one way or another although do try to keep an open mind unless and until it becomes crystal clear what is going on there one way or another.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 16 2023 0:06 utc | 108

https://tinyurl.com/2gavl87p
Voltaire net’s latest newsletter, usually behind paywall. Cannot post link.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 16 2023 0:08 utc | 109

karlof1 | Jan 15 2023 20:48 utc | 68
Brazil.
Your post reminded me… what happened to all that hollyweird celebs and the hype over destruction of the Amazon/ Brazilian rainforest?
The celebs were brought in to make it an issue… I don’t know where that sits within the Dilma Rousseff, Lulu, Bolsonaro admins, are their ownership by U$ “interests” and intell agencies…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 0:10 utc | 110

@ waynorinorway | Jan 15 2023 17:05 utc | 22
Schrödinger? What a bastard! His experiments on unfortunate cats are revolting.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 16 2023 0:11 utc | 111

oldhippie | Jan 15 2023 20:58 utc | 72
And I also won’t post about the online discussion I viewed yesterday about the several thousand per cent increase in neonatal “demise” at one Florida hospital.
The personal experience of a many decades “midwife/nurse” (she had a fancy modern medical team title, but basically she did a job women have done since there were humans… look after a woman before/during labor, and in those precarious weeks immediately after birth)
anyway the personal observations…. (substantiated with a leaked internal email re the astounding % increase in “demise”,). .. the testimony of this experienced, and seemingly empathic whistleblowering woman, will probably be best explained as nonsense and hysteria once a good dose of stats and data dumbing is applied.
Nothing to see here folks…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 0:29 utc | 112

Yes, Nemesis, I feel also that something doesn’t add up viz Brazil.
One thought to consider: although US-NATO is arrayed against Russia-Eurasia on the field in Ukraine, the Biden-fronted US regime is woke and globalist through and through and, as far as I can tell, thus aligned with China-Russia initiatives as well. Put another way: the CIA-Establishment in the US is part of the thrust to take down the old republic and build it back better. How Brazil figures in all this I don’t know but perhaps it has to do with making sure the right people are in the right places for their purposes.
Perhaps it’s similar to Trump in the US: leaders like him and Bolsonaro can be used as controlled opposition to keep patriotic (loyalist) types in line but then those populations must be neutralized somehow so that when changes which they will deplore (pun intended) come down they are unable to resist. Ideally they don’t even want to resist them because they have been influenced somehow to either support them or believe there is nothing they can do.
Because much of the metanarratives we are swimming through these days involve making ordinary citizens feel hopelessly out of touch and overpowered by ‘the powers that be.’ We are simply not qualified or able to do anything. We just leave it up to the Big People who handle such mysteries which are beyond our ken.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 16 2023 0:31 utc | 113

Leuk | Jan 16 2023 0:11 utc | 110
Fauci…. and his dogs?
some humans deserve torture … retaliatory and reciprocal

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 0:31 utc | 114

A lesson about cows for the sheep in this war dog animal farm:
there’s a story most definitely about the “return of the repressed” in Livy’s legend of the birth and early life of Romulus and Remus. They are cast out as orphans, suckled by the wolf, etc. How do they get their start on the journey toward their destinies?
they steal cows. plus ca change. Thucydides has his water rats, Livy his land rats. America? heaps of both. pirates and cattle rustlers.
because it was free on the supertubes, I watched the western “Tombstone” recently. More enjoyable than I expected, but one point: the cowpie didn’t hit the fan until the “drovers” came to town. how much of the landscape in “Shane” has been trampled over by big beef? shoot the native and import the artificially docile.
the mass destruction of animals is everywhere in this vicious, blood-drenched society. covid was never going to stop Big Meat or Big Car, because that means death of empire.
if you want a fun exercise in getting a glimpse into how horrible the US is, watch the Red Letter Media review of Netflix’s “Dahmer” series (the review, not the whole thing. please, spare your mind.) Write down any particular of Dahmer’s life that might be contributory to his life and consider: how ubiquitous is this throughout US culture? including the one commenter’s repeated disbelief at how horrible the police are, as evidenced throughout the Dahmer story. again, denial of the violence of authority and the return of the repressed. if you don’t hit 25 things (i.e., fetal alcohol syndrome, unemployment) after an hour, you don’t know your country.
almost nobody will notice his childhood relationship between cars and animals. along with many other things, like learning drug and alcohol use in the military, or consider this statement, what a nightmare it contains: “Dahmer was a mediocre student in an average US high school.” such a screwed up country, it’s considered normal to shoot up the educational sausage factory. there i go, like a good American, thinking with my stomach…like American Psycho Pat Bateman, Dahmer only “tried to cook a little”. you mean, it wasn’t about food??? no, Fat Albert, Dahmer had what Phd’s call “intimacy issues”.
anyway, the conclusion to the Livy narrative is that warriors have to steal women to survive. cuz they got a big problem: reproduction. no soy boys allowed. killers need protein. eating Mcnuggets and Ribwiches is part of today’s warfighter lifestyle. farming is for suckers. it’s not an animal farm but an abattoir.
Joe Biden at a car show: “See, it’s over. No one is wearing a mask. the virus is over.” the car show must go on.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 0:33 utc | 115

NemesisCalling @ 96

Seems ominous to me.

It functioned exactly like this with Morsi in Egypt. Initially he had full USA govt and the contrived msm backing. He lasted one year, he was set up by the USA to fail. Supporting and installing the Muslim Brotherhood then working to bring it down was the path of least resistance at the time.
I’m not sure exactly what is going on but the bastards are patient and clever when necessary, and will drive in reverse to get where they need to go. It is quite possible Lula is between the hammer and the anvil, so everyone right and left, for or against, sees what they want, for now.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2023 0:35 utc | 116

@ Don Bacon | Jan 15 2023 23:32 utc | 102
Thank you.
@ Leuk | Jan 16 2023 0:11 utc | 110
Don’t forget Pavlov and his Dogs. Bastard!

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 16 2023 0:36 utc | 117

Leuk @ 110

Schrödinger? What a bastard! His experiments on unfortunate cats are revolting.

His mistake is he picked cats, they are unique, they can transcend space-time. Take the cat out of the equation and quantum entanglement may not be real!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 16 2023 0:39 utc | 118

11 וַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֤ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּֽה׃
the last verse of the book of Jonah. slaves and cows. you don’t think people are capable of destroying themselves? i gotta book for you:
Moby Dick, or The Whale. “what is Mexico to the US or Ireland to Britain, but a great whale?” not an accident that Ishmael notes that Britain is at war in Afghanistan at the start of the story.
“let us all squeeze ourselves into the milk and sperm of human kindness.”

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 0:43 utc | 119

oldhippie wrote: “I will also not discuss protein folding, prions, endoplasmic reticulum stress. It would be pointless.”
It would not be pointless if you had ever offered even the tiniest hint that you were well-versed in any of those topics.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 16 2023 0:45 utc | 120

At the Not Ukraine 2023-07 thread, I replied (Posted by: David Levin | Jan 9 2023 18:41 utc | 138) to Gt Stroller in which I listed radio programs about hurricane manipulation using laser satellites, but I did not provide any links.
The present comment addresses this omission. Here are links to James McCanney’s September 29, 2005 ~1-hour radio show, in which the discussion of what powers hurricanes and how this is exploited by the use of laser satellites begins at around the 36-minute mark. (This episode seems to address Gt Stroller’s request more directly than would the ones I’d suggested in my comment at the other thread.)
Real Media downloadable file (about 3 MB)
Real Media stream (about 7 MB)
The sound quality is not great but passable. Episodes from recent years are much better in this respect, which unfortunately doesn’t help us here.

Posted by: David Levin | Jan 16 2023 0:53 utc | 121

Yet another report on dedollarization, “By the numbers: The de-dollarization of global trade”, although it’s unfortunate more recent data isn’t available. For example, there’re no reports on China-ASEAN, intra-ASEAN or China-EU trade that’s not being conducted with dollars. Nor is anything mentioned regarding where those billions of unused dollars end up and the consequences. So, the article fills in a few holes in the overall overview of the process of overturning Outlaw US Empire hegemony. Indeed, I’m at the point where the term “globalization” applied to the post-WW2 world ought to be called the growth of Dollar Hegemony or the Dollar Empire, with genuine UN Charter-based globalization remaining to be established, which is the announced goal of Russia, China, Iran, India, and a host of other nations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 16 2023 0:54 utc | 122

the whale in Moby Dick is comparable to the female worker in the 2nd story of Melville’s diptych, “Paradise of Bachelors and Tartarus of Maids.” the narrator is watching girls working at printing and a pulping press, talking to their supervisor:
“It never is known to tear a hair’s point.”
“Does it never stop — get clogged?”
“No. It must go. The machinery makes it go just so; just that very way, and at that very pace you there plainly see it go. The pulp can’t help going.”
Something of awe now stole over me, as I gazed upon this inflexible iron animal. Always, more or less, machinery of this ponderous, elaborate sort strikes, in some moods, strange dread into the human heart, as some living, panting Behemoth might. But what made the thing I saw so specially terrible to me was the metallic necessity, the unbudging fatality which governed it. Though, here and there, I could not follow the thin, gauzy vail of pulp in the course of its more mysterious or entirely invisible advance, yet it was indubitable that, at those points where it eluded me, it still marched on in unvarying docility to the autocratic cunning of the machine. A fascination fastened on me. I stood spell-bound and wandering in my soul. Before my eyes — there, passing in slow procession along the wheeling cylinders, I seemed to see, glued to the pallid incipience of the pulp, the yet more pallid faces of all the pallid girls I had eyed that heavy day. Slowly, mournfully, beseechingly, yet unresistingly, they gleamed along, their agony dimly outlined on the imperfect paper, like the print of the tormented face on the handkerchief of Saint Veronica…..
…Most of our girls come from far-off villages.”
“The girls,” echoed I, glancing round at their silent forms. “Why is it, Sir, that in most factories, female operatives, of whatever age, are indiscriminately called girls, never women?”
“Oh! as to that — why, I suppose, the fact of their being generally unmarried — that’s the reason, I should think. But it never struck me before. For our factory here, we will not have married women; they are apt to be off and-on too much. We want none but steady workers: twelve hours to the day, day after day, through the three hundred and sixty-five days, excepting Sundays, Thanksgiving, and Fastdays. That’s our rule. And so, having no married women, what females we have are rightly enough called girls.”
“Then these are all maids,” said I, while some pained homage to their pale virginity made me involuntarily bow.
“All maids.”
——-
humans didn’t evolve to live in this industrial hellhole.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 1:07 utc | 123

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15 2023 16:30 utc | 12
Vietnam’s Major Spratly Expansion
Most interesting. So every country be it China, Vietnam, Philippines, and the ever greedy for cheap resources theft good’ol ex-world policeman and pirate since 1776 the USSA.
Are all seeking the lion’s share of the petro toxic fossil fuels in the South China Sea basin. Before the rising seas reclaim the lost sea bottom in 2100.
In an area notorious for storms that rival USSAs F5 tornados and hurricanes.
On the downside. Without an expensive-to-run Desal plant for fresh water. Every item you use on the new artificial future shipping hazzard reefs. Needs to be imported. The rubbish is to be returned for recycling. So expensive!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 16 2023 1:16 utc | 124

Probably wouldn’t make an iota of a difference in the arguments escalating out of control, but instead of a ‘Covid’ headline/subject/topic perhaps it should be ‘Vaccine’? The huge upswing in excess deaths as reported by insurance companies and the sudden heart attacks in young people on the news every few days certainly merits a ‘Vaccine’ headline/subject/topic for sure. No?

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 16 2023 1:22 utc | 125

I haven’t seen any verifiable sudden uptick in excess deaths in the USA after the first two waves of COVID, and have not seen any studies linking said alleged excess deaths to any vaccine. It’s getting pretty ridiculous with my acquaintances who send me a WhatsApp message every time an athlete or celebrity suffers some sort of cardiac event now. As though young male athletes haven’t ALWAYS been prone to collapse suddenly due to cardiac arrest for various reasons, including I think the first NFL player to whom it happened that played his college FB for my bachelors alma mater. This was in like 1967 or 73 or something. Speaking of, I happened to agree with Ron Unz’s take on all of this here:
https://www.unz.com/runz/obesity-and-the-end-of-the-vaxxing-debate/
Since it’s not strictly limited to discussion of COVID, I hope b will let the link stand. However, as stated earlier, if he doesn’t, I respect that because it’s his blog.

In my latest article published last week, I noted that most anti-vaxxers have claimed that Covid vaccinations had produced a large wave of fatal heart attacks and strokes. However, although American deaths from those causes have indeed risen quite substantially from 2019, nearly all of that increase occurred in 2020, before the Covid vaccination drive began, while the numbers remained almost unchanged in 2021 and 2022. This suggested that the rise was caused by the Covid infections of 2020 rather than the vaccines later deployed to control them, and scientific studies have already demonstrated that even mild Covid infections lead to a greatly increased future risk of heart attacks and strokes. And if the massive amount of vaxxing and boosting that began early in 2021 had almost no impact upon such mortality totals, it seemed unlikely that they have been causing very many deaths.
I had summarized my findings in a few simple points:
Vaxxing only began on December 14, 2020, so it would have had almost no public health impact during that year.
Except for homicides and accidents, nearly all the major changes in American death rates occurred in 2020, so these must have been due to Covid.
Except for homicides and accidents, non-Covid deaths rates showed almost no change in 2021 and 2022, so the vaccines probably had no impact one way or the other.
After publishing that piece, I had planned to once again set aside the topic for another half-year or so, then review six additional months of data that I expected would further strengthen my original conclusions. However, some additional information was soon brought to my attention that seemed to finally settle the vaxxing controversy once and for all.
First, a very level-headed commenter from Iceland calling himself “Niceland” noted that except for the elderly, his own country’s population had experienced no noticeable increase in deaths during the last couple of years, despite the very heavy vaxxing regime it had followed. He then checked, and discovered that the same was true of Denmark and a couple of other nearby European countries. Since the overwhelming majority of the populations were vaxxed, and those younger than about 65 showed no significant excess mortality, it seemed unlikely that vaxxing had caused any substantial number of deaths.
Around the same time, someone else brought to my attention a very useful website affiliated with UC Berkeley and the Max Planck Institute that provides a very easy means of displaying decades of excess mortality statistics for dozens of countries. These mortality results presented can be stratified by gender and various age-groups, and the reference years used to calculate the “excess” can also be selected.

He then proceeds to make a rather convincing, IMO, argument about how interesting it is that these excess deaths – after vaccinations began – didn’t happen in non-obese countries. And again, back to those ad hoc messages I keep getting from friends and acquaintances, not a single one of these “suspicious” deaths (be that Lisa Marie Presley) or “freak” events (be that the Danish football star or the American football player for the Buffalo Bills) have ever been reliably linked to any recent vaccination shots having been received by the person in question.
Again, sorry for breaching the rule if in fact I have and I promise not to do so again if this post gets deleted.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 2:04 utc | 126

Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 2:04 utc | 125
thanks.
obesity connects sports and cardiac events most directly – for NFL offensive linemen. lots dead by 40. after less than 5 years in the NFL.
all the manufactured hysteria over what would not have even been mentioned because we don’t really care, except when it’s useful for our predetermined opinions. “5 minutes and back on the field!” should be our national motto.
if covid were really scary, we wouldn’t be in the NFL playoffs, would we? but we are past the point of arguing about vaccines, i think, since all other measures have been abandoned, indeed are being criminalized. the pharmacist gave me nothing but a snorting, mocking laughter the last time i was stupid enough to ask if there were any N95 masks left.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 2:27 utc | 127

rjb1.5 | January 16, 2023 at 02:27
we can’t obey public health protocols like masking cuz then our ATM’s couldn’t film us and use facial recognition technology on us. TSA can’t figure out who to hand out fake passports to after the plane crash in a “terrorist attack” if all the passengers are masking. social distancing and events staged thru crisis actors aren’t exactly peanut butter and chocolate.
and we were just about to go on strike, i was just about to get off my ass…so the ruling class decided to fake a virus. now, we can’t go on strike. b/c of…rules. new rules. I was going to strike but covid rules say i can’t.
damn, i so wanted to be a working class hero, but the PTB’s just won’t let me!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 2:37 utc | 128

US citizens have a high obesity rate (junk food), also diabetes (even in youngsters), and lack exercise (even walking), so they are more vulnerable to external attacks.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16 2023 2:45 utc | 129

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 2:04 utc | 125
“I haven’t seen any verifiable sudden uptick in excess deaths in the USA after the first two waves of COVID, and have not seen any studies linking said alleged excess deaths to any vaccine.”
The insurance companies are certainly reporting an very noticeable uptick in excess deaths that they’ve had to process..that is fact.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 16 2023 2:46 utc | 130

@ oldhippie | Jan 15 2023 20:58 utc | 72
@ grieved 105
@ majoab 54
Well OH, you said you didn’t intend to offend the barkeep after your post was removed. Good. But it was removed, so maybe my interpretation had some resonance despite that we tend to look very kindly upon ourselves.
Do you still hold that vasculopathy resulting from exposure to spike protein originates solely from the jabs?
That was our earlier point of disagreement which I did not belabor due to your adamant positioning. I tried to focus on areas of agreement instead. jinn addressed it iirc.
As I understood you, your claim was these vascular problems were/are 100% due to the EAU injected mRNA-coding jabs.
As whole virus has been found in seemingly not infected children’s tonsils and adenoids, and in adult surgery patients’ gut parts, how can you be sure the virus spike protein is not also causing these vascular problems?
Whilst there is danger that widespread infection predominance may be successfully, cynically, used to hide real harm from the experimental jabs, two wrongs don’t make a right.
If infections cause vasculopathy and immune dysfunction, then the pro mass infection public policy should be called out and stopped just as there should be a halt to jabbing, especially for children! and younger people, less than 60, to assess independently what the hell just happened.
Regarding terminology, Grieved, afaik it is the corporate media that has memed the divisive terms “anti vaxxer” and “covid denier.” The use of the first is like telling people they aren’t horses, which they did to block ivermectin use as you well know, talking down to them with superiority, implying their targets are anti-science hicks.
And whilst many people have repeatedly insisted over the past 3 years, “It is just a bad flu or cold,” I agree, they are not denying covid exisits, but they appear to be in denial of the real suffering that has and is still occurring until they see it as a result of the jabs and then their orientation changes dramatically. This is a normal human response to confusing circumstances which is mostly not of their own making.
Who oversaw and gave approval for an experimental pharma immunological intervention for which NOBODY knew the dose administered? !!!
for which the final destination in the body of the ionized NLP packets which easily enter cell membranes was completely unknown?
for which the duration of the active biological agent in the body was unknown?
which was not tested re stopping transmission?
The dod?
Majoab, very funny. I am farm girl but there are some real pharma guys ‘n gals, well-paid managerial class folk with stellar curriculum vitae who rubber stamped these things. At “the speed of science.” One of them, the pediatrician woman who okayed the bivalent booster for children here, worked for big pharma much of her career as an “independent” doctor, being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by them, mere penny expenses for them. conflict of interest denied. I am ashamed to say we went to the same undergraduate school, she being an older generation.

Posted by: suzan | Jan 16 2023 2:49 utc | 131

Brazil
Lots of interesting comments, speculations on Brazil.
Lula appears to be moving and manuevering fast. That’s good, imo.
This article b linked by bhadrakumar is a good one, I’ll put it here again. bhadrakumar sees the Jan.8 thing as a warning from the cia, maybe also a probe– just do a riot, see what happens. Who knows if that’s what they did? I don’t.
“Lula’s biggest challenge today is the current divisions in Brazilian society between left and right and the confrontation between different social camps, apart from the need to push through reforms in a right-wing-majority Congress.”
Maybe, but I would add that it’s more between the rich and the non-rich, which includes the middle class and the working class and the really poor.
One important point: Lula was…is a union labor organizer. He was a metal worker, not highly educated, and I believe has never lost connection with his roots. He has the ability to form a powerful coalition composed of diverse ideological groups including race, gender, gays, indigenous with a focus on class issues: schooling, food, decent jobs, managing and caring for the rainforest. In that way he’s like an old fashioned socialist/communist of the 1930s but he is not using the same terms/words to describe what he wants. The Latin American leaders who succeeded did the same thing: Fidel, Chavez, Ortega, Correa (I think). Evo and now Arce also. The mass movements they organized included red necks and college grads (and a big chunk of the military) but did not include the 1% and they did not advocate the classical “path to success” hoakum that most of us have been exposed to. Their proposed dream embraced civic consciousness and caring for each other as lives improved.
Most of Lula’s heavy lifting will be at home but nonetheless he’s staking out key relationships with the “non-empire” countries. OAS will continue melting. Celac will grow stronger. That’s a good thing.
“A fundamental change in the political landscape across the continent seems to be under way. Specifically, Lula’s first major foreign policy move — the decision to attend the Summit of Heads of State and Government of Celac in Buenos Aires on January 24 alongside the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua — sends a message to Washington that it is going to be difficult to find a fulcrum for its “differentiation-cum- disintegration” strategy in Latin America.”
Lula will strengthen Brazil’s already strong relations with China. My guess is he will stay quiet regarding Russia for now.
“Third, Lula is expected to make official trips to China and the US in his first three months in office. There is no question that under China’s “old friend” Lula, the economic and trade cooperation is set to deepen. The left-wing regimes usually “pull away” from the US and advocate a diversified and balanced diplomacy. ”
The CIA is infected in the government apparatus of every Latin American country except the ones it embargoes. Brazil is loaded with them. Lula knows that. I think and hope he will deal with them the way Putin and Chavez did: patience, building power step by step, acting decisively when the time indicates.
bottom line, watch who lula purges this month, including high rankers in the military, also judical, and in his cabinet. He’s taking aim at big Ag (Cargill, are you nervous?) for financing the coup attempt. That takes guts.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/biden-stoops-to-conquer-brazils-lula/

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 16 2023 3:27 utc | 132

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 15 2023 16:44 utc | 15
And the 9-dash line is a scaled down version of the 11-dash line, made by ROC, mainland China’s government of the day, at the instigation of the US. The US and ROC had signed a series of treaties that ceded all kinds of sovereign rights in China to the US, basically turning ROC government into caretaker of China as a US colony.

Posted by: Another Brother Ma | Jan 16 2023 3:30 utc | 133

Posted by: suzan | Jan 16 2023 2:49 utc | 130
Thanks Suzan for a great summary of what I also perceive to be the confusion of issues in this conversation.
Well said about the media promoting divisive terms such as Anti Vaxxer and Covid Denier.
At the beginning I also thought that maybe it was a made up threat but as time went by and I saw the illness first hand it was obvious it is real, there is also predatory profit taking on a grand scale, and there are some poorly conceived and tested vaccines harming more people than usual. All of these things and then some are happening simultaneously. Confusing at the very least.
Maybe female brains are more flexible for grocking this kind of situation multi taskers as we are LOL

Posted by: K | Jan 16 2023 4:22 utc | 134

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 16 2023 2:46 utc | 129
Then show us proof. Insurance companies don’t fuck around. If they thought there was a significant (and actuarial science gets VERY specific on this kind of thing) risk to insuring people who had received a vaccination (of any kind), it’d be impossible to hide in looking at who’s given a policy and who isn’t. And as I mentioned, life insurance isn’t a joke. They make you take a battery of tests including psychological, bloodwork, and often even imaging. So where’s your proof?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 4:29 utc | 135

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 16 2023 2:27 utc | 126
To be completely candid and fair, it is by no means only or even mainly OL or DL players in football that collapse and have cardiac events, now, in 2020 or ever. It’s just a thing that happens. So the obesity part MAY play a role in SOME of the athlete cardiac arrests, but I doubt it since these young men are actually in very good shape regardless of their BMI.
In any case, yes, I think Unz makes a good point and I’m tired of the constant messages from these friends of mine any time someone has a heart attack nowadays as though I’m supposed to automatically get that it was from _______ (I have over-mentioned it at this point and will not do so again).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 4:33 utc | 136

@130 suzan | Jan 16 2023 2:49 utc

I agree, they are not denying covid exists, but they appear to be in denial of the real suffering that has and is still occurring until they see it as a result of the jabs and then their orientation changes dramatically.

That is one very broad brush, and I think you’re tarring people with it who don’t exist, and people who do exist but who don’t deserve that slur. I don’t know who you’re seeing who doesn’t appreciate the suffering that has existed, but I haven’t seen them.
I haven’t seen many people argue that it’s a bad cold or flu. I’ve seen many people ask if the people who count numbers have over-counted the covid and under-counted the flu. Thereby skewing the risk analysis. Thereby making it harder for people to choose their own survival path.
To ask these things constitutes a fair question, in a system that has nothing to hide.
I think, the more you care about people the more you agonize over how the system has treated them, and how the system has hidden truth, and made it hard to discover.
How many people have died or suffered, from the cover-up of the facts? Versus how many could have been spared suffering from a truthful exposition of the known facts, from a true effort by doctors to provide informed consent?
Is this fabrication of the narrative not the principal crime, from which all other considerations derive?

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 16 2023 4:38 utc | 137

Times that athletes have collapsed mid-game due to cardiac events.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/damar-hamlin-collapse-a-chilling-reminder-of-other-mid-game-athlete-emergencies/3160957/
Note the timespan.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 4:51 utc | 138

I have now read the Let Them Eat Plague! posting and have two observations
There was no mention of the financialization of health care in the process…backing the wrong way because of income streams/profit….sick…what happened to “Do No Harm”?
There is no mention in the article on in comments here about what us meatsacks are suppose to be doing as potential preventative or remedial measures during this crazy.
In the past MoA threads we have had such discussions and I hope it would be an acceptable Open Thread topic…my health is a fairly high priority…..given my 2nd Covid infection last month I am now taking Ivermectin on a prophylactic basis with the belief from reading that it will help to some degree from keeping me from getting it again and I have also read Ivermectin helps heal/clear Covid out of the body…..sorry for lack of links as I relied on others for that information and haven’t built a repository to defend my decisions.
Blessings to b for the guts to keep MoA publishing our/his mix of Covid thoughts and how much have you sent b in support lately?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 16 2023 4:54 utc | 139

@134 Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 4:29 utc – “So where’s your proof?”
The proof was deleted by the censor. I just posted a comment with six links to insurance companies sounding the alarm over skyrocketing policy payments from death that wasn’t actuarially calculated.
One of the links presumably triggered the censor. Or perhaps some of the words. Who can say?
You could find out yourself if you wanted to, instead of demanding proof from others. And you could wait until it’s morning again in Germany and b may see the comment held for moderation and he may release it – in which case you’ll find it very close to this comment, before or after. Or he may not see it. Or he may not release it. We no longer know.
We no longer know. Just as you know longer know. You could find out if you wanted to know. Instead of betting with an empty hand.
My hand is pretty full, but I am prevented from betting.
This is the world now.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 16 2023 4:56 utc | 140

Hypocrisy, Australian style:
Ukraine._ Nazis. Have a national holiday commemorating. Erect statues enshrining the “heros”. Chant a national slogan: “Glory to the Heros”.
Plaster the military with swastikas. Teach children the. “Salute”……
We chant along, send millions in $$$ and equipment to this absolute paragon of virtue and democracy.
New South Wales: Discover the current premier (aged late 40s) wore a nazi fancy dress to his 21st birthday:
Resign! Die you dog! Outrage!
§~ this scandal emerged from media coverage of Harry’s opus “Spare”…. seems some journos became aware a “Harry photo” existed of said premier.
If only the censorious chorus of media and twitter could be consistent for even one day.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 5:05 utc | 141

@ Grieved | Jan 16 2023 4:38 utc | 136
In a sense you are probably correct. There are several people here who have expressed these views. In real life it is probably something else, fuller, less dogmatic.

Posted by: suzan | Jan 16 2023 5:19 utc | 142

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 16 2023 4:56 utc | 139
I don’t think you’re comprehending what I’m asking for. To somewhat repeat what I said before, have you ever applied for a life insurance policy or had a loved one do so?
It shouldn’t be very hard to provide quantifiable proof that as we sit here in early 2023, there is a clearly obvious trend that life insurance companies are less willing to give policies to people who have had a vaccine (of any kind, but let’s stay on point – COVID) than they are to people who state unequivocally that they have NOT been vaccinated (to include not with an mRNA variant).
Don’t try to play this off as some sort of betting analogy.
“I just posted a comment with six links to insurance companies sounding the alarm over skyrocketing policy payments from death that wasn’t actuarially calculated.” after which you said that I should look it up myself rather than “demand proof from others.”
Can you at least provide search terms by which I might find these links on my own? To actual insurance companies making statements that can reasonably be interpreted as saying that they’re worried about giving life insurance to recipients of this or that shot or whatever?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 5:30 utc | 143

I mean here’s the first result of my search termed “are insurance companies denying life policies to recipients of COVID vaccines?”
https://www.dfs.ny.gov/consumers/alerts/Life_Covid
So let’s say that maybe they just come up with another reason to deny coverage when they learn of a person being vaxxed. Where’s the proof?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 5:32 utc | 144

LOL, my link was disappeared as well.
The summary is that no life insurance providers have been denying policies to people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19. Until I see proof of that happening, this is a big nothingburger.
REMEMBER: Many here, possibly including you, Grieved, said that MILLIONS if not TENS OF MILLIONS of people were going to start collapsing and dying after getting the shot(s) in the very near future. You cannot run away from the scope and scale you wedded yourselves to.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 5:34 utc | 145

… and there are some poorly conceived and tested vaccines harming more people than usual. All of these things and”—Posted by: K | Jan 16 2023 4:22 utc | 133
At the risk of being banned by b: I am led to believe that your post @ 98 was entirely in bad faith; an attempt to legitimize the very behavior you appeared to question.
What you need to know up to and including December 9, 2022 https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/#acknowledgements

No new safety signals have been identified in Canada
95,565,309 Total doses administered up to and including December 9, 2022
53,064 Total adverse event following immunization reports
(0.056% of all doses administered)
42,545 Total adverse event following immunization reports that were non-serious
(0.045% of all doses administered)
10,519 Total adverse event following immunization reports that were serious
(0.011% of all doses administered)

After two doses and a booster, I am alive and in good health AND now fully cleared of an adenocarcinoma. The local community is not a ghost town, and the majority of Canadians who have actually been vaccinated will likely consider you one of those `tin foil flag wavers’.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 5:44 utc | 146

Schrödinger? What a bastard! His experiments on unfortunate cats are revolting.
Posted by: Leuk | Jan 16 2023 0:11 utc | 110
& @ Outraged | Jan 16 2023 0:36 utc | 116
Cats? Wasn’t there was only one cat in his thought?
Maybe if he were alive today he might have used a Coronavirus in his thought experiment.
Would that be OK?
Pavlov? Agree!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 5:52 utc | 147

one small mistake in the html tags can make your post vanish…
Surprised it’s already been a year since I read this article which has been archived and paywalled…too bad it has some nice graphs with the insurace co. data, do a search on zh for “life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-40-among-those-aged-18-64-and-not-because-covid”
So, folks keep saying covid-denier and anti-vaxxer…which is why I mentioned separating Covid and Vaccine topics. Perhaps that would help narrow down or at least properly frame the arguments?

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 16 2023 6:21 utc | 148

@144 Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 5:34 utc
This is my last comment because it’s late here. But I have no idea what insurance companies are doing moving forward. If you’re looking for proof in how insurers are treating new applicants, you’re in your own world there. I can only cite what they’ve said about claims on existing policies they already hold.
That’s all anyone has cited here, as far as I’ve noticed. That’s the big story: namely, that the claims on life policies that have been made represent a 40% increase in death claims. Actuaries would regard a 10% increase as the result of some formidable catastrophe. So 40% is beyond anything conceivable to them. THAT’s the story. It represents death that has occurred, rather than how anyone views risk in the future.
This whole story – and everyone’s point who talks about it – is about deaths, the number of them, and how they exceed the norm. As shown on charts. As reflected in statistics. Deaths. Actual deaths. Such as have happened and have been recorded and plotted on charts against the norm. Death is the key to this story.
I’m sure you can find search terms out of that.
Good night and good luck 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 16 2023 6:24 utc | 149

Google search: Is there a 40% increase in death claims reported by insurance companies?
OneAmerica CEO Scott Davison said life insurance industry data indicates death rates among working-age people were up 40% compared to pre-pandemic rates. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/11/blog-posting/no-covid-19-vaccines-arent-responsible-increase-de/
Other posts misrepresented comments made by Scott Davison, the CEO of the Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica. Davison said in a press conference in late December that his firm saw a 40% rise in death rates among working-age individuals insured under its group life policy in the third quarter of 2021. Some posts used that statistic to falsely imply vaccines were to blame, with one blog claiming the data showed a “record number of younger people in the workforce were dying after the roll-out of COVID-19 ‘vaccines.’”
These posts misrepresent comments byDavison and others in the insurance industry. More than half of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to The Associated Press, citing CDC data. https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-692312045885
… in Canada? https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/ca/news/life-insurance/new-report-reveals-bigger-picture-of-covids-impact-on-life-insurance-claims-423985.aspx

The latest report from the Canadian Institute of Actuaries (CIA) offers a bigger picture of how the COVID-19 pandemic has impacted life insurance claims made in the past couple of years.
The report – Report 6: COVID-19 Canadian Insurance Industry Monthly Aggregate Data Analysis, the sixth and final in a series – covers the effect of the pandemic on Canada’s life insurance industry.
According to the CIA’s report, COVID-related individual insurance claims represented 13% of total claims during the peak of COVID-19’s first wave in April 2020. During the second wave, COVID-related death claims reached 11% of total individual claims in January 2021, while group insurance claims jumped 6.8% in the same month.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 6:50 utc | 150

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 6:50 utc | 149
Pretty much the way I see it. Unless anyone can provide hard data that the actuarial formulas and thus policies granted or not granted have anything whatsoever to do with “vaccines” received and how recently the whole topic of insurance is a giant bullshit nothingburger. To repeat: Insurance companies will do ANYTHING they can NOT to offer policies, including term and other life. Let’s see the proof or this will demonstrate exactly why b forbids discussing it. One side has nothing but innuendo and false anecdotal BS.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 6:58 utc | 151

@Patroklos | Jan 15 2023 21:20 utc | 82
There was a young Marxist from Ozland
Whose comments were surely not off-hand.
They came from much thought
And I think that we ought
To allow that and not see him banned.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 7:07 utc | 152

Mere nonsense or deeply disturbing metaphor???
A “representation” of the U$ at the Miss Universe comp…..
The U$ carries the whole world on its shoulders… making it a bit unsteady, a bit wobbly … then, there’s all the tinsel, glitter and gaudy gadgetry.
With the absolute, absolute – pièce de résistance- the creature has its bare, naked arse exposed… it’s just such a perfect, apt, vainglorious metaphor… I’m in awe.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1614185557126512641

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 7:28 utc | 153

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 16 2023 6:58 utc | 150
In particular:
“COVID-related individual insurance claims represented 13% of total claims during the peak of COVID-19’s first wave in April 2020. During the second wave, COVID-related death claims reached 11% of total individual claims in January 2021″ https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/ca/news/life-insurance/new-report-reveals-bigger-picture-of-covids-impact-on-life-insurance-claims-423985.aspx
“Healthcare institutions began administering the first 30,000 doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in Canada on December 14. A total of 249,000 doses was expected to be delivered by the end of 2020.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Canada#Background_and_timeline
The spike in deaths had nothing to do with vaccines, everything to do with `the sniffles’.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 8:15 utc | 154

I trust all the dingbats understand that all their boringly pedantic stupidity has achieved is that b is unlikely to include any novel takes on C19 in further “this is the week that was” link collections.
He made a simple enough for anyone to understand request – “please don’t clutter up my blog with interminable covid debates” – not a huge ask really.
Now I have no idea why he has asked this however, I do know why I think it is a sensible request.
Put simply I doubt there is a single contributor/reader at MoA who has not formed an opinion on this subject, an opinion which as we have seen after more than 2 years of debate none of us are likely to resile from, so without any totally new and unpreviously considered facts coming to light it is a debate that will go nowhere, but what it will do is split the board into endlessly arguing factions spouting ‘truths’ which are unlikely ever to be resolved I.E. exactly what the PTB want/need to occur get everyone arguing over stuff that won’t resolve but will keep us all angry and divided.
There are a kazillion twitter threads, facebook pages, instagram graphics & tiktok dances advancing the entire spectrum of covid views, pointlessly arguing the toss here at a time when it seems possible for the shit to actually hit the fan will achieve nothing except endanger solidarity right at the time when it is vital humans do work together to defeat the arseholes.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 16 2023 8:21 utc | 155

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 16 2023 8:21 utc | 154
Is there any point to `arguing the toss’ on Ukraine and NATO?

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 8:33 utc | 156

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/photos-show-fragments-of-u-s-bombs-at-site-of-yemen-funeral-masssacre/
Saudi aircraft struck the funeral hall in Sana’a four times, killing more than 140 people and wounding 525. One local health official described the aftermath as “a lake of blood.”
PHOTOS SHOW FRAGMENTS OF U.S. BOMBS AT SITE OF YEMEN FUNERAL MASSACRE
The MK-82 is a 500-pound explosive weapon manufactured in the United States. The code “96214” indicates that the bomb was produced by Raytheon, the third-largest defense contractor in the United States.
Saudi Arabia’s bombing campaign in Yemen began in March 2015 after Houthi rebels deposed the U.S.- and Saudi-backed dictator, Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi. Since the war began, Saudi Arabia has intentionally targeted numerous homes, factories, markets, schools, and hospitals.
The U.S. has supplied Saudi Arabia with more than $20 billion worth of weapons during its Yemen campaign, including thousands of MK-82 bombs.
————-
Funeral was attacked four times, precisely, deliberately, with American weapons and British maintanance. The furor and outrage was remarkably minor.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 16 2023 13:32 utc | 157

why I think it is a sensible request. [to stop COVID 19 topic]
Put simply I doubt there is a single contributor/reader at MoA who has not formed an opinion on this subject, an opinion which as we have seen after more than 2 years of debate none of us are likely to resile from, so without any totally new and unpreviously considered facts coming to light it is a debate that will go nowhere, but what it will do is split the board into endlessly arguing factions spouting ‘truths’ which are unlikely ever to be resolved…
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 16 2023 8:21 utc | 154
I lack a definite opinion, and I do not know if appropriate statistics are available on our side of pay walls and “public access”. I guess EVENTUALLY the issues will be resolved… although Debsisdead may be corrected: vested interests have the ability and motivation to bury them.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 16 2023 13:43 utc | 158

Nathan @ 129 wrote: “The insurance companies are certainly reporting an very noticeable uptick in excess deaths that they’ve had to process..that is fact. ”
Yes, there have been excess deaths reported in the US, but where is the evidence linking those deaths to vaccines?
The excess deaths in the last 9 mos of 2020 (with no vaccine) were about the same as the excess deaths in all 12 mos of both 2021 and 2022.
At best you can call that evidence that shows the vaccines did only a little to prevent excess deaths.

Posted by: jinn | Jan 16 2023 13:54 utc | 159

I trust all the dingbats understand that all their boringly pedantic stupidity…
…will achieve nothing except endanger solidarity right at the time when it is vital humans do work together to defeat the arseholes.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 16 2023 8:21 utc | 154
And that rant will promote solidarity?
If you’re so above the fray why do you bother to lower yourself like that?
You mimic RSH scolding people about the Ukraines situation. And that’s not a compliment, btw.
‘Unclear on the concept’ seems appropriate.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 13:55 utc | 160

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 7:07 utc | 151

Good one.

Posted by: David Levin | Jan 16 2023 14:14 utc | 161

Christian Mégrelis, a businessman who advised Mikhail Gorbachev to reform the soviet economy, described Russians as ‘subservient’ and ‘savage’ in TV Libertés. Even the self-proclaimed russophiles look down on Russia and its people.

Posted by: Malwen | Jan 16 2023 15:24 utc | 162

@robjira | Jan 15 2023 18:11 utc | 35

oldhippie @ 20: sorry to have missed your initial post

https://postimg.cc/62SmttHx

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 16 2023 16:35 utc | 163

@ waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 13:55 utc | 159
everyone has some truth to share… typical debs character is to speak in the way he does, which is typically derogatory.. but what he says has a lot of truth to it too… and i would say @ Laurence | Jan 16 2023 8:33 utc | 155 comment does too… in the end – we are no further ahead in a lot of this talk.. we are mostly just spinning out wheels in the mud.. i myself see it much like @ Piotr Berman | Jan 16 2023 13:43 utc | 157 and i don’t have a horse in the race.. those with a vested financial interest are guided by the wrong interests…
as to the dynamic on the world stage today, it seems significant – all of it.. but i am mostly drawn to the dynamic with regard to ukraine as it seems like a catalyst to drive change and hopefully in a positive way by moving towards a multipolar world, if we don’t destroy the planet in the meantime.. there must be a better way… although it is fun and educational for everyone to express their views and beliefs, most of it counts for very little in the changes we would like to see happen… making small changes in our own world seems to be the way to go – however one defines this… and i suppose that is what we are all doing in our own way too.. top of the morning to you waynorinorway…

Posted by: james | Jan 16 2023 16:38 utc | 164

TQC @ 126
Try the Society of Actuaries.
Actuaries are well known as fearmongers, panic peddlers, prone to over-react and generally make mischief so be careful as you read.
When an actuary tells me we are 20 standard deviations from normal I kind of pay attention. When the entire professional society speaks, umm, there could be something there.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 16 2023 17:16 utc | 165

@pretzelattack | Jan 15 2023 21:48 utc | 85

bullshit. there is not an “increasing band of prestigious scientists” debunking agw. it is the opposite. what you have is an architect, and some geriatric physicists who haven’t published anything in years repeating themselves constantly, but they can’t back up their opinions with research, even when funded.

Since the ‘debate’ is lowered to that level already, how about this
The world’s elite has arrived in Davos on over 1000 private jets to lecture you about climate change.
https://twitter.com/DiEM_25/status/1614899170967437313
This is not a scientific argument (all that does is generating ‘climate denier’ accusations), it is a political argument showing the total hypocrisy of those who claim to own ‘the science’.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 16 2023 17:30 utc | 166

I’m patient, I know that there will be a time when b will do a deep dive in the covid|vaccine|sudden death headlines because the truth always comes out in the end. And really there’s no hurry to get into those topics, what b has been producing has been great. Thanks again b, looking forward to the next one!
Posted by: Laurence | Jan 16 2023 6:50 utc | 150
“Google search: ”
Do you realize you are looking at only what they want you to see?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 16 2023 7:28 utc | 153
Holy shit! Time to escape this clown show!

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 16 2023 17:47 utc | 167

Norwegian | Jan 16 2023 17:30 utc | 166
The world’s elite has arrived in Davos on over 1000 private jets to lecture you about climate change
Yeah, and the shortest recorded flight was only 21 km!

Posted by: john | Jan 16 2023 17:51 utc | 168

top of the morning to you waynorinorway…
Posted by: james | Jan 16 2023 16:38 utc | 164
Thanks james. I hope your morning coffee/tea is as good as my evening beer.
Yeah, Debs is Debs. No problem for me. Maybe you could say it’s symptomatic of the ‘left’ to squabble but I suspect
it’s not just the left. We’re mostly all on the same side here and I think we should emphasize that.
I am like Piotr @Jan 16 2023 13:43 utc | 158 in that I too lack a definite opinion, and contrary to Debs, I’m sure there are many others
here that way. Plus I’m equally sure that the collective intelligence of the patrons here favors changing positions when the
evidence calls for it. I don’t think debate ever really got out of hand altho’ I understand many, including yourself iirc, got/are
worn out. But as the ‘Plague’ article stresses and Yogi Berra(RIP) so succinctly put it, ‘It ain’t over til it’s over’.
But what do I really think?
I think I’ll have another beer.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 18:06 utc | 169

@ waynorinorway | Jan 16 2023 18:06 utc | 169
going for the beer sounds like way more fun! i would stick to that! off for my morning walk.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Jan 16 2023 18:15 utc | 170

Melaleuca @ 153:
If you thought Miss USA’s national costume (intended to celebrate the achievements of NASA) was strange, you should have seen Miss Ukraine’s Angel of Light (or Angel of Vengeance, or SBU owl symbol, or whatever) costume. It had huge mechanical wings! No, I won’t post a link to it – yeccch!
At least Miss USA and some of the other contestants (Miss Ecuador was dressed up celebrating Bitcoin) were entertaining.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 16 2023 19:15 utc | 171

In Germany, government revenue in the first quarter of 2022 showed an increase of 13.8% year-on-year.
Assuming German econonomy did not grow, this means inflation is running at about 14%. This sounds about right.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 16 2023 19:31 utc | 172

the world’s elite are the people who are not doing shit about climate change, some of them while pretending otherwise, while buying up property in New Zealand or planning to go to Mars, so what does your response have to do with falling for fossil fuel propaganda? some of the richest people are owners of fossil fuel companies. the empire could not carry out its wars without fossil fuel companies. they are not victims. all the supporting pillars of the empire, the banks, the defense contractors, the intel community and the fossil fuel companies are rotten to the core.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 16 2023 19:42 utc | 173

the fossil fuel companies decided to lower the level of the debate when they decided to fund a propaganda campaign using the same company that helped tobacco companies. it’s the level they chose. the scientists of every country on earth, and in percentages similar to those who support the science behind evolution, or any other generally accepted theory, continue to amass more supporting evidence that humans are causing the climate to change, through using fossil fuels at increaing levels, converting forests and jungles to cattle ranches, overconsumption, and the like. that’s what the scientists say.
I don’t give a goddamn what rich people at Davos say, they lie through their teeth, or what Hollywood says, or what Al Gore says. that’s just a deflection

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 16 2023 19:48 utc | 174

Debsisdead@154
I believe that you are correct. The Covid matter is not a clash of scientific opinion-there really can be little disagreement about the significance of the vast death toll- but of politics. One side believes that lives are more important than profits. The other that a few million odd deaths are of little importance when weighed against the demands of capital accumulation.
On the one side apologists for capitalism, waving the tattered banner of ‘liberty’. On the other the partisans of community who keep the Red Flag discreetly hidden in case it frightens the faint hearted.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 16 2023 19:54 utc | 175

Anyone wondering where the USA got its foreign policy ideas from should check out
https://declassifieduk.org/the-uks-83-military-interventions-around-the-world-since-1945/
and
https://declassifieduk.org/britains-42-coups-since-1945/

Posted by: bevin | Jan 16 2023 19:58 utc | 176

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 15 2023 19:03 utc | 175 (in a different thread).
Anyone have any reading suggestions? Please send them to the non Ukraine thread, I guess. I hope everyone is well! Thanks for such stimulating conversations!
===================================
Sorry for the late reply. Will put into current open thread too for you.
The term is well explained in this article.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/02/alexander-dugin-explained
You can also find online a book about Dugin by Max Millerman called ‘Inside Putin’s Brain.’
And you can find online or purchase ‘The Fourth Political Theory’ by Alexandr Dugin translated by Mark Sleboda & Michael Millerman.
Plus searching for Dugin + Fourth Political Theory will probably yield some interesting fruit.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 16 2023 20:56 utc | 177

suzan @ 131
I’m not going to answer your question. As far as I can understand b, that is specifically what he has asked us not to do.
In any event the question has been asked and answered. I begin to see the wisdom in b’s directive. The only distinction anyone here seems to make is good barfly/bad drunk or my faction/every other faction. Done with it..

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 16 2023 21:35 utc | 178

Moscow seems to be really fucked up.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-energy-clout-is-waning-weakening-its-global-influence-11673863787

Posted by: Malwen | Jan 16 2023 22:58 utc | 179

@ Posted by: Malwen | Jan 16 2023 22:58 utc | 179
Oh, come on. An article from the Wall Street Journal, the world’s worst and lyingest newspaper, the official organ of corporate imperialism?
Really?

Posted by: Cabe | Jan 16 2023 23:10 utc | 180

Norwegian @ 163
Awesome, many thanks. I cannot understand how such a straight forward, concise comment could excite such a tempest in the highball glass.
Many thanks again to both you, and oldhippie.
p.s. I’m a big Heilung fan too; just got introduced to them within the past year or so. I’ve ordered the special book edition of the latest album.

Posted by: robjira | Jan 16 2023 23:44 utc | 181

Do you think the good people at Davos will ask for the thermostat to be set at 19°C?

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 16 2023 23:45 utc | 182

On the Peter Beinart article posted by b:
Good, but it doesn’t go far enough. Zionism is anti-Jewish. It also might be called antisemitic, but the usual stance of Jews has been that a Jew, except for an actual apostate, cannot be called antisemitic, so that Zionists, claiming to be Jews, couldn’t then be labeled antisemites. Thus, the Zionists would label Jewish anti-Zionists as “Jewish self-haters.” But now some Zionists have come to claim that some anti-Zionist Jews are antisemites, which opens the door for the charge to rebound against themselves much more accurately.
Zionism is just exactly Jewish nationalism. As such, it differs not one whit from other nationalisms. It is not unique and, as simply an ideology, indeed does not deserve to be singled out as worse than other nationalisms. Had the Zionists found an empty (well, almost empty) island to colonize like the Icelanders, their nationalism could have had an appearance as innocent-seeming as Icelandic nationalism, yet all nationalisms are alike. They are one religion. They are one ideology. They only differ in their adornment, which they appropriate from the cultures of the people they claim to represent.
Every nationalism in essence is completely puritanical and exclusionary, demanding an ethnically-pure territory for itself to the exclusion of all who do not belong to the in-group, a territory usually expanded at the expense of others. Every nationalism embodies the idea of state building, which must be done by conscripting the entire population, by force if necessary, into that agenda. What they build is an idol, a Golden Calf that replaces all worship of everything else: God, gods, self, family, career, pleasure, or personal or other materialistic ideals, with subordination to the idol. This is well described in the book by Carolyn Marvin and David Ingle, Blood Sacrifice and the Nation: Totem Rituals and the American Flag, which I highly recommend.
So, far from being Jewish, Zionism is anti-Jewish. Zionist recruitment is full of utter hatred of Judaism, disrespect for the Diaspora, avoidance of traditional Jewish languages like Yiddish, and disparagement of traditional Jewish religiosity in all its forms. Instead, the foundational ideal of Zionism was to imitate white European colonialism exactly, hence their freindship with apartheid South Africa. Similarly, the Zionists’ analysis of the Jews exactly matched the European antisemites, that the Jews were an unassimilable foreign body which must be expelled. Thus, they took up nationalism from those who had earlier developed it and who were hostile to the presence of Jews in their midst. The Zionists’ idea was, if you can’t beat’em, join’em.
When Nazi Germany appeared, the Labor Party of the yishuv, the Zionist settlement movement in Palestine, made a formal agreement or treaty with the Nazis called Ha-Ma’avarah=The Transfer Agreement, which was upheld by both parties for over 5 years, 1933-1938, and helped to facilitate the emigration of German Jews to Palestine, something the German Nazis then favored. Of course, because their analysis of the Jews was identical to the Zionists’ analysis, so much did they share interests.
Today, many Zionists profess to practice the Jewish religion, but their core motivation is the Golden Calf of the Jewish state, which is the be-all and end-all to them. Because their state does not differ from other states in its nationalism and nationalist behavior, it really lacks any specifically Jewish characteristics at all. All the Jewish accouterments are merely decoration, or boundary markers to show who is included or excluded from the body of the nation.

Posted by: Cabe | Jan 16 2023 23:50 utc | 183

Malwen #179
You cite the wsj regarding Moscow being fu’d.
AYFKM
I say Occupy Wall Street and roast chestnuts on their ridiculous broadsheet.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 1:42 utc | 184

Below is a quote from ZH piece about Davos

But what’s on the menu this year?
Well, here are the five main items up for discussion, according to the WEF’s website:
See if you can notice a pattern:
Addressing the Current Energy and Food Crises in the context of a New System for Energy, Climate and Nature
Addressing the Current High Inflation, Low Growth, High Debt Economy in the context of a New System for Investment, Trade and Infrastructure
Addressing the Current Industry Headwinds in the context of a New System for Harnessing Frontier Technologies for Private Sector Innovation and Resilience
Addressing the Current Social Vulnerabilities in the context of a New System for Work, Skills and Care
Addressing the Current Geopolitical Risks in the context of a New System for Dialogue and Cooperation in a Multipolar World

And then there is a new word they have invented

The collective vocabularies stored in the world’s great dictionaries didn’t appear to hold a single world to sum up all this strife. So here’s a new one: Polycrisis.
The World Economic Forum’s Global Risks Report 2023 uses the term, to explain how, “present and future risks can also interact with each other to form a ‘polycrisis’ – a cluster of related global risks with compounding effects, such that the overall impact exceeds the sum of each part”.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 17 2023 1:49 utc | 185

Malwen #162

Christian Mégrelis, a businessman who advised Mikhail Gorbachev to reform the soviet economy, described Russians as ‘subservient’ and ‘savage’ in TV Libertés. Even the self-proclaimed russophiles look down on Russia and its people.

Thanks for the reminder of the gullibility of Gorbachev to the manipulations of the elite seething with hate within the anti Russian west.
WHO???

Christian Megrelis is a former Vice Chairman of the United Bible Societies and is Chairman of the French Bible Society. His life as a citizen of the world gives him the opportunity to discover different cultures and develop his views on the influence of Jesus’s teaching on civilization. He was born and lives in France but now spends most of his time in remote lands.

Source: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/christian-megrelis-09951383?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F
If this is the same dude then he is unlikely to be a Russophile. Or did you just invent that for your hit job on Russian people.
By the way which Russian people? Or are you confused and meant USSR people, including Ukraine at the time. Or perhaps you meant those ‘baltic people’?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 1:54 utc | 186

psychohistorian #185

The collective vocabularies stored in the world’s great dictionaries didn’t appear to hold a single world to sum up all this strife. So here’s a new one: Polycrisis.
The World Economic Forum’s Global Risks Report 2023 uses the term, to explain how, “present and future risks can also interact with each other to form a ‘polycrisis’ – a cluster of related global risks with compounding effects, such that the overall impact exceeds the sum of each part”.

Ah yes, the weasel words and terms dribbling out of both corners of the great maw. Trust Davos to have cobbled together some new terminology to accompany its New System for… shall we call it – colonisation?
At least it makes it easier to identify is propagandists through ‘polycrisis’ inclusion in their press releases and MSM answers to interviewers.
I knew a fraudster team once who was always busy latching on to these new jargon terms and appropriating them as their dialogue queues as they set out to sucker some gullible wealthy types. Beware the smart, jargon spinning hucksters.
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Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 2:04 utc | 187

Cabe #183
Meanwhile millions of people from jewish families know these shonks you describe very well. And they detest them or at least totally distrust them. As they should.
Zionists are always claiming to be holier than thou. Mind you there are just as many doing likewise in christian voodoo cults too – pentecostals come to mind. And then there are some other religions I could mention…
This is the means by which elitism is fed – little power hungry stooges demanding adherence to cult imaginings and implying exclusive elevation to those gullible to accept ‘secret sacred knowledge’ or the threat of excommunication and public vilification for the sane who might reject their nonsense. Pathetic little worms. But it aint just the jews, ok?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 2:35 utc | 188

The crypto pathway that looks more and more like a NATO trail.
https://bnt.bg/news/five-employees-of-investigated-nexo-crypto-lender-donated-bgn-100000-to-democratic-bulgaria-party-313933news.html

The probe into crypto lender Nexo caused serious tension in Bulgaria’s Parliament. It came from the question whether there are links between MPs and Nexo. On January 12, TV host, singer and politician, Slavi Trifonov, raised the hackles and said that Assen Vassilev, the co-chairman of “We Continue the Change”, was close to the managers of Nexo and “went to their office every day to consult them”. Trifonov also said that another MP of “We Continue the Change”, Nastimir Ananiev, had common related companies with the investigated crypto lender.
Four charged in the case against crypto lender Nexo, witnesses seek protection
GERB party said that according to publicly availbale information, there are links between the crypto firm, Nastimir Ananiev and another MP from “We Continue the Change” – Alexander Rakshiev.
Has Nexo financed a political project in the country? The Nexo probe has echoed in the Parliament after information emerged that a current “We Continue the Change” MP, Nastimir Ananiev, is a partner with one of the bosses of the cryptocurrency firm under investigation. GERB is checking whether the party is funded by Nexo. Nastimir Ananiev has denied being a partner in the firm at the moment and denied that it funded “We Continue the Change”.
GERB’s position in this situation is that it is good to check whether “We Continue the Change” is funded by Nexo. They stated that for now they are only asking questions based on publicly available information.
“There are connections of a former MP and a current MP from “We Continue the Change” with Nexo. In one case the former MP Rakshiev is Nexo’s representative for Plovdiv, in the other – Nastimir Ananiev, is a partner of one of Nexo’s owners and at the same time a partner with a citizen of the Russian Federation in the company “Neftogaz”. I was surprised by the latter and he should give an explanation of what the partnership was and what they were doing,” said Toma Bikov of GERB.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 3:01 utc | 189

The goblins at my last post so here is a backup with the link url fragmented.

The probe into crypto lender Nexo caused serious tension in Bulgaria’s Parliament. It came from the question whether there are links between MPs and Nexo. On January 12, TV host, singer and politician, Slavi Trifonov, raised the hackles and said that Assen Vassilev, the co-chairman of “We Continue the Change”, was close to the managers of Nexo and “went to their office every day to consult them”. Trifonov also said that another MP of “We Continue the Change”, Nastimir Ananiev, had common related companies with the investigated crypto lender.
Four charged in the case against crypto lender Nexo, witnesses seek protection
GERB party said that according to publicly availbale information, there are links between the crypto firm, Nastimir Ananiev and another MP from “We Continue the Change” – Alexander Rakshiev.

Goto bnt.bg slash news slash
five-employees-of-investigated-nexo-crypto-lender-donated-bgn-100000-to-democratic-bulgaria-party-313933news.html

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 3:05 utc | 190

Russia’s Special Presidential Envoy Discussed Increase in Imports to Afghanistan [Sputnik]tps://sputniknews.com/20230117/russias-special-presidential-envoy-discussed-increase-in-imports-to-afghanistan-1106414080.html

Acting Afghan Commerce and Industry Minister Nooruddin Azizi told Sputnik in August 2022 that Kabul planned to buy about 1 million tonnes of diesel and the same amount of gasoline from Russia. Later reports said the agreement had been tentatively approved, and under the deal, Russia would also supply Afghanistan with 2 million tonnes of wheat annually.

We’re left guessing what the exports may be. …

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 17 2023 3:20 utc | 191

Laurence #190
“We’re left guessing what the exports may be. …”
You might be guessing but then consider raw materials such as exhibited in this graphic
On the off chance you were thinking Russia trades in the same shit the CIA trades then show your hand.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 3:26 utc | 192

On the off chance you were thinking Russia trades in the same shit the CIA trades then show your hand.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 3:26 utc | 191
What’s clear is that you certainly do.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 17 2023 3:29 utc | 193

Vichika @80. Have you read the brilliant response from Medvedev to the jouit statement? It’s spot on.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 17 2023 3:36 utc | 194

OMFG !
Just realised that Chinese have been banished from humanity outright !!!
WARsj…

Covid Is China’s Price for Rejoining Humanity
Beijing botches a ‘reopening’ that many of its Pacific neighbors pulled off gracefully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKW2oxgdHv8&t=38s
PS
This is NOT about Covid but the Chinese Exclsuion Act , , final edition.
While b dislike squabbles on contentious covid/vax issues, I hope uncontroversial, well documented , scientific facts on covid would be at least tolerated !

Posted by: denk | Jan 17 2023 3:42 utc | 195

RT reports:
“China’s new foreign minister, Qin Gang, has wrapped up his first overseas trip by calling for Israel to avoid further provocations that could escalate heightened tensions with Palestinians.
“Israel should stop all incitement and provocation and avoid any unilateral actions that might lead to aggravation of the situation,” Qin said at a press briefing on Sunday in Cairo, where he met with Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry at the end of a five-nation Africa tour. He added that “China is deeply worried” about deteriorating Israeli-Palestinian relations….”

Posted by: bevin | Jan 17 2023 4:40 utc | 196

#192
gotcha!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 5:15 utc | 197

Another own goal for the west.

http://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/airlines-face-hurdles-cashing-china-re-opening-2023-01-17/
Jan 17 (Reuters) – U.S. and European airlines will benefit from pent-up demand for travel to China after its recent border reopening, but route approvals, fresh COVID-19 testing rules and not enough large aircraft remain barriers to rising sales, analysts and industry officials say….
…Chinese airlines, with ample staff and widebody planes, and a cost and time advantage of roughly two hours from flying a more direct route using Russian airspace, are expected to be early winners.
But U.S. and European airlines, which have focused traditionally on the strong business travel market to China, and often cater more to the preferences of Western passengers, are poised to benefit from companies willing to pay a premium to rekindle face-to-face ties.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 17 2023 5:17 utc | 198

bevin #195

“China’s new foreign minister, Qin Gang, has wrapped up his first overseas trip by calling for Israel to avoid further provocations that could escalate heightened tensions with Palestinians.

Fascinating. First Xi Jinping made a brief request for same in his concluding commentary after the GCC and now followed up by Qin Gang. I read it that something is brewing and it may well be the new Nutter government is to be put under some pressure.
Time will tell, but I sense multiple push back efforts what with Russia/Syria/Turkey reconfiguring the Kurd/US occupation of Syria, Iran receiving some mighty good aircraft from Russia and being free to increase trade with its trusted partners, and now, China developing elaborate and highly significant trade strategies with the Arab nations.
With no wind left in the JCPOA blather, Nuttyahoo needs to deliver for his Ministerial team comprised of loony right wing criminals, gangsters and thieves.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 5:29 utc | 199

anti-spiegel.ru reports:

“The Polish demands for reparations to Germany are also an issue in Russia, as a comment by the head of the TASS office in Germany shows. Poland’s demands for reparations to Germany are a means of exerting pressure on Germany at all international levels. There is practically no international organization that has not received mail from Warsaw in recent weeks and months calling for support on the issue. Whether Poland seriously thinks that Germany is paying it over a trillion euros, or whether Poland only wants to use the issue as a means to weaken Germany internationally and to achieve other goals, remains to be seen.
I found it interesting to read a comment on the subject by the head of the German office of the Russian news agency TASS, which is why I translated the commentary. In Germany, probably no editor would dare to write a similar commentary.
Start of translation:
Warsaw chooses the road to nowhere: What’s behind Poland’s demands for reparations to the FRG
Wiaczeslaw Filippow, head of the TASS office in Germany, on the intra-European struggle for hegemony and the double standards of the Polish government
Last week, the Polish Foreign Ministry announced that the Polish government had asked the U.S. Congress for help in obtaining compensation from Germany for the losses the country suffered as a result of the Nazi attack and German occupation between 1939 and 1945.

In German …

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 17 2023 5:46 utc | 200