Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 30, 2023
Size Matters – On A U.S. Ground Intervention In Ukraine

A European financial research company has sent me one of their quarterly research letters. It is a 'contrarian review of political and military ramifications' of the war in Ukraine. It analyzes 'winners and losers' of the war.

It is contrarian only in the sense that it counters the false views of 'western' mainstream media with reality. The losers of the war are all on the 'western' side with the only two winners being the owners of the U.S. defense industry and Russia.

I was sent the courtesy copy because, as the company writes, the discussions at Moon of Alabama were "immensely helpful" in forming their view.

Note to the authors: You are welcome.

I will not quote from the paper as it seems to be a somewhat confidential business product. But I will steal two graphics from it that will help to understand the size of the war in Ukraine and how it will NOT end.

There have been theories that Poland or some U.S. led coalition force would intervene with their troops on the ground in Ukraine to 'kick the Russians out'.

The two graphics though dispel any hope for such an operation.

The following is an operational map of Desert Storm. The U.S. led operation in spring 1991 to kick Iraq out of Kuwait.



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It took the U.S. some nine month to assemble a forces of some 700,000 U.S. and 250,000 allied troops with all their equipment. Iraq had an estimated 650,000 troops in the theater. The U.S. first created total air superiority by destroying Iraq's fighter aircraft and air defense forces. With that done it took only 100 hours of ground operation to destroy a third of the Iraqi forces. The rest of the Iraqi army retreated under fire towards Baghdad.

There are some 550,000 Russian troops in and around Ukraine. A hypothetical operation to 'kick Russia out' would thereby have about the same size as Desert Storm. But the geographic dimensions differ drastically.

The following is an operational map of Desert Storm from above overlaid in scale on the map of Ukraine.


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The map was turned to the left by 90 degree. North is to the left, east at the top and Crimea in the south to the right.

Russia occupies some 87,000 square kilometer of Ukraine. The Desert Storm theater around Kuwait was five times smaller.

A hypothetical U.S. coalition of the size of Desert Storm could probably cross the Dnieper and cut of Crimea. But it could do little more than that. The Donetz and Luhansk oblasts and Crimea itself would still be in Russian hands.

But there are many reasons why no such operation will ever be planned and executed.

  • The U.S. no longer has a force of the size it committed to Desert Storm. Nor do its allies.
  • The U.S. was able to create air superiority in Iraq because it could fly from nearby Saudi airfields and from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. Air superiority in eastern Ukraine could only be achieved with the destruction of long range air-defenses within Russia. The next safe air fields the U.S. could use are in Poland and Romania. No U.S. aircraft carrier will dare to enter the Black Sea. U.S. fighter planes to not have the necessary reach for combat missions in eastern Ukraine. 
  • The Ukrainian rail system is by now a mess. It is incapable of moving a large force from the west into east Ukraine.
  • Any attempt to move a large force through Ukraine would be subject to deep battle interdiction by Russian and Belorussian forces.
  • Iraqi equipment was badly maintained and Iraqi forces were barely trained. Russia has a well trained high tech army.

I could go on but you can certainly see the point.

No U.S. ground troops will move into Ukraine. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.

Comments

Melaleuca @234
Kudos. One of your most insightful postings. Agreed, there are no adults in the Dept of $tate…just a bunch of Khazarian nutcases…a good half of them totally incompetent avatars of the Peter principle writ large.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:42 utc | 301

Re the Saker closing shop. It’s invertible because he’s a German holding a US Green Card with a US family. He’s a pushover for the “offer that cannot be refused”.
He’s an easy target. Either his site close, or turn pro Empire, or he gets deported. Clearly returning to Germany is just the same as their BND is just a sub office of CIA.
His domain name and hosting is clearly on US territory. FBI can seize both easily under “threat to national security and fake news”.

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 31 2023 3:45 utc | 302

dh @255
Winkin, Blinken and Dinken: “Kimchi??? What the hell! Gimmi some bagels and lox. Don’t hold the schmer.”

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:50 utc | 303

Hermit @258
You must be smoking something good tonight. One of your best postings. Kudos

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:53 utc | 304

@ Surfereket re The Saker
Actually he holds a Swiss passport, but Switzerland is about as neutral as any NATO country, so your point is well taken. Also his server/domain is in Iceland, only marginally freer in Internet matters than thevredt of Europe.
But you point out that his family members are all US nationals. This is true, and important. It explains more than anything else the USA’s hold over him.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 31 2023 3:55 utc | 305

*thevredt —> the rest

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 31 2023 3:55 utc | 306

Don Bacon @264
Good sleuthing.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:57 utc | 307

Croatian President just begged for some freedumb and demonocrazy:
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1620116326101712896
“>…Croatian President: “Since 2014 to 2022, we have been watching how “someone” provokes Russia with the intention of causing this war.”
“Von der Leyen said two months ago that 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed. If that’s the case, then 150 000 are dead now.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 4:00 utc | 308

dalit @271
You just about got it. Been calling it the WarDefense Industry for years. It’s all about defending profits for the merchants of death…and plenty of grease for the Congre$$critters.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 4:01 utc | 309

“According to Czech commenters on FB there are about 250.000 male Ukrainians hiding in the Czech Republic who are dodging the draft into the UAF…. Oblomovka daydream@188
And the best of luck to them. They are not ‘dodging service’ but refusing to kill their fellows in order to please Uncle Sam. […]
Posted by: bevin | Jan 30 2023 22:31 utc | 202
I guess most of them have less lofty but eminently sensible motivation: they do not want to die, or to be maimed. Consider a person who hates, say, Michael Pompeo for what he perceives are good reasons. If this person is sensible, he will not risk live, limb and/or liberty for that. About stats, I think they are plausible for Poland, I am not sure about Czechia.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 31 2023 4:05 utc | 310

Some poor deluded fool here at the bar plaintively wondered if Boris Johnson was lying.
No, what Boris Johnson said is a lie.
There were no missile threat.Putin noted that if Ukraine joins NATO, the potential deployment of NATO or American missiles at our borders will mean that any missile will reach Moscow in a matter of minutes,” – Dmitry Peskov

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 4:11 utc | 311

It is ludicrous to think otherwise.
Yep. But that’s why it really could happen.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Jan 31 2023 4:12 utc | 312

“Let’s imagine that the current situation is changed and it’s the US that will attack Ukraine ….. ”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 31 2023 2:39 utc | 288
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To late Deplorable, the US already did attack Ukraine: I guess you must have slept through the Maidan coup d’état in February 2014, surely one of the biggest stories of 2014. To fill you in, the Obama / Biden administration organized, and financially supported, a BLOODY coup against the constitutionally elected government of Ukraine, using long time neo-Nazis as an underground contra militia against the police and national Guard. This action by Obama /Biden was nothing less than an act of war against the people of Ukraine.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 31 2023 4:23 utc | 313

Posted by: Lex | Jan 31 2023 2:45 utc | 292
“Western delusion is wild, man.”
Case in Point:
Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Jan 31 2023 2:45 utc | 293

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 31 2023 4:29 utc | 314

CNN just notched its lowest ratings in 9 years across all its day parts…averaging just 444,000 viewers in PRIMETIME, 93,000 in the all-important age 25-54 news demo & [in day] 417,000 in viewers and 80,000 in the demo.
Compare:
Brian Berletic has 200k+ subscribers to his New Atlas yt.
Brian can’t monetize his channel or it’ll be taken down.
Hobbyist, turned independent journalist, Mike Jones @iEarlGrey has 120k+ subscribers.
Add
The Duran duo
Redacted
Jackson Hinkle
Joe Rogen
Judging Freedom
People are thirsty for “real” information.
The information corral of CNN is failing.
… And that’s a good thing…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 4:36 utc | 315

Every male between 20 and 55 years of age to be conscripted in Ukraine—regardless of family status, profession, physical or mental health, or any other consideration.
Lists are to be prepared by every employer, organization, or institution (the document in question concerns the Kiev region specifically). I anticipate the summons will be handed out directly through the workplace as well.
As Roman Donetsky (@donrf22), who posted this document, writes, “the end is near, Ukrainians.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31507

Kiev: Gravediggers are trying with all their might to throw as much cannon fodder as possible into the slaughter
A new scheme from cunning “military enlistment officers”: Calling a courier with an order to the house and handing him a summons.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31467

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 4:37 utc | 316

Item about the series of central bank meetings this week where further harming economies by trying to tame inflation the wrong way is here, “Super central bank week kicks off as major developed economies walk tightrope”, which will certainly have an impact on NATO’s war effort. An excerpt:

As the US-led West continues to decouple from China, as shown by a recent deal the US has reportedly secured with the Netherlands and Japan on chip export controls against China, the inflationary headaches haunting the West could only worsen, observers said.
Such decoupling moves would cut the West’s ties to Chinese supply chains, worsening shortages and adding fuel to inflation, according to Dong, noting that such unwise thinking would end up pushing Western inflation rates even higher.
In the words of Xi, these shortsighted decoupling actions would inevitably have a negative impact on the global economy whose growth hinges on interconnectedness and mutual partnerships.

The political choices to block goods and services from not just Russia and China but the Row is one of the major causes of inflation that won’t/can’t be solved by raising rates. Those nations choosing to act as together to further their development will continue to distance themselves from the West’s bad choices.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 4:40 utc | 317

too good not to repost. thanks to all, especially b.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 22:08 utc | 193
Knowingly or not you almost quoted Frank Zappa:
The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 30 2023 22:30 utc | 200

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 31 2023 4:41 utc | 318

🇫🇷🇩🇪🇺🇦🇷🇺”The Minsk agreements signed in 2015 made it possible to reform the Armed Forces of Ukraine and form an international coalition against Russia,” – Petro Poroshenko
Poroshenko said that the Minsk agreements allowed Ukraine to rebuild the army
This document also gave Kiev time to build an economy and a “global pro-Ukrainian anti-Putin coalition,” the ex-president of Ukraine added.
The Minsk agreements signed in 2015 made it possible to reform the Ukrainian Armed Forces and form an international coalition against Russia, former President of Ukraine (2014-2019) Petro Poroshenko said.
“Do you know what the success of the Minsk agreements is, despite the fact that Russia has not fulfilled any of their points? This document gave Ukraine eight years to build an army, an economy and a global pro-Ukrainian anti-Putin coalition,” Poroshenko said in an interview that was shown on Monday in the documentary “Putin vs the West” by the British Broadcasting Corporation BBC.
In turn, Christoph Heusgen, who held the post of security policy adviser to former German Chancellor Angela Merkel from 2005 to 2017, said in an interview that before signing the Minsk agreements, Poroshenko informed the head of the German government about the deplorable situation of the AFU in the city of Debaltseve. “Poroshenko clearly told her that the [Ukrainian] defense forces had been defeated, they could barely hold the lines, that if the Russians broke through, they could go all the way to Kiev. Therefore, he needed an agreement,” Heusgen said.
In December, in an interview with the German newspaper Zeit, Merkel called the conclusion of the Minsk agreements “an attempt to give Ukraine time to become stronger.” According to her, “it was clear to everyone” that the conflict was frozen and the problem was not solved, “but it gave Ukraine invaluable time.” She expressed doubt that at that time NATO countries could have provided Kiev with support to the extent that they are doing it now.
Then former French President Francois Hollande, who participated in the coordination of a set of measures to implement the Minsk agreements in 2015, confirmed her words. Russian President Vladimir Putin later said that Merkel’s words about the Minsk agreements were absolutely unexpected and disappointing for him.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/35553

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 4:43 utc | 319

Down South @318–
Time to become a sewer/subway rat in Kiev for those that value their lives. Again, Monty Python’s Black Knight comes to mind.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 4:48 utc | 320

Poland to double size of military
https://antibellum679354512.wordpress.com/2023/01/29/poland-to-almost-double-size-of-army-build-europes-largest/
German Defense Minister wants return of Conscription
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/scholz-wehrpflicht-deutschland-1.5742028?reduced=true
War Party intends massive escalation over next few years.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 31 2023 4:50 utc | 321

@karlof1 322
and then in the sewers we´ll be eating rat-bread, rat-cake, rat-soup, and rat-atouille (Mel Brooks that is)

Posted by: AG | Jan 31 2023 4:54 utc | 322

@ Posted by: Comandante | Jan 31 2023 0:48 utc | 246
Artemovsk(correct name not the butchered name Baka version….) is already caught in the dreaded Motti trap. Thus whatever supplies were trickling in via vehicles marked with a red cross. Have ceased to arrived.
Too too late!
@ Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:17 utc | 298
Actually the FDR Work for progress was ended by the dead headless and legless red donkey party in 1936. The case went all the way to the supremes. FDR lost by the way.
On a side note FDR’s grand plan to rebuild the country was lifted straight from Prez Hoover’s playbook.
However, the same dead headless and legless red donkey party. Killed it believing this was a clone of the evil Red Soviet Communist Party’s grand five year plan. Too revolutionary for this democratic Union of the Soviet States of AmeriKa! Just not “kosher”. With all tax revenues gone to hell in a hand basket. We have no money, it is far too expensive!
The modern dead red donkey’s current mantra is spend , spend and then spend more complete with massive tax cuts to the top 5% income earners. A complete 180 from the 1930s era of don’t spend a dime on the army. Come to think even to this day. The Dead Red Donkey party do not and will not offer all USSA armed serviceman a decent living wage!
Cunning FDR already pushing Japan to its limits with an undeclared war by using an Oil embargo. Cunningly pushed Europa into war mode in 1936 by suspending all German war reparation payments. Based on the ploy the suffering unemployed in Germany have no money to support the heavy war debts. The rest is history!
Prez Hoover was reviled man. A virtual easy-to-blame fall guy! Shackled by a party of greedy dead red donkey idiots! Yet he alone, had the best forward thinking plans in the entire USSA, in that era.
As far back as 1919. The USSA had grand plans of snatching Country 404 away from the evil Red Communists. Not one plan has worked since that day. The fall of country 404 was written in concrete in 1991.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 31 2023 5:00 utc | 323

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 30 Jan 2023⚡️
♦️#Russia’s Border Areas:
▪️ In the #Kursk region, AFU terrorists shelled the border village of #Popovka and damaged several residential buildings, no casualties.
▪️ In the #Belgorod region, Novaya Tavolzhanka and #Bezlyudovka village were hit. In the latter, several were wounded by shrapnel.
♦️#NorthUkraine (MAP):
▪️ In the #Kharkov region, the enemy is conducting reconnaissance in the border areas by UAV calculations and sabotage and reconnaissance groups.
➖ According to some reports, the AFU may attempt an offensive against the #Belgorod region in the last weeks of February, coinciding with the anniversary of the start of the SMO.
▪️ In the #Sumy region, Ukrainian engineering units are mining the area along the border in anticipation of a possible renewed Russian offensive.
▪️ In the #Kiev region, British and American mercenaries from among former servicemen are operating in the #Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.
▪️ In the Transcarpathian and #Chernigov regions, additional units of the AFU are being staffed and intensively trained.
♦️#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Kupyansk – #Svatovo section, Russian troops have encircled one of the units of the 32nd Composite Battalion of the Territorial Defence at the #Dvurechnoye – #Gryanikovka line.
➖ The enemy command requested additional forces to deblock the militants.
➖ In addition, in case of a possible breakthrough by the Russians, the Ukrainians mined the bridges in #Kolodyoznoye and #Monachinovka.
▪️ In the #Liman sector, Russian fighters of the 144th Motorized Rifle Division are advancing on enemy positions with the support of armoured vehicles.
➖ Along the front line from #Podliman to #Izyum, at least four HIMARS MLRS crews, supplied from #Balakleya, are active.
♦️#Soledar Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Soledar area, Wagner PMC fighters are advancing from #Blagodatnoye to #Paraskoviyevka and Krasnaya Gora and have taken control of two AFU strongholds.
➖ In order to hold the settlements, the AFU command is rotating and moviing additional units of the 4th Tank Brigade to the area.
▪️ In #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk), the “Wagnerians” are attacking enemy positions in the eastern outskirts near the local meat processing plant and Zabakhmutovka.
▪️ Southwest of #Bakhmut, Russian forces are advancing towards #Krasnoye and the village of #Stupochka, pushing through the defences of the AFU’s 3rd Separate Assault and the 116th Territorial Defence Brigades.
♦️#Donetsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Avdeyevka area, Russian assault units are advancing from the direction of #Opytnoye and #Vodyanoye on the #Severnoye village. A large AFU stronghold has been set up in the settlement.
➖ At the same time, the RF Armed Forces managed to advance towards #Nevelskoye, dislodging enemy units from their strongholds on the approaches to the village.
📌 The capture of #Vodyanoye and #Nevelskoye will allow to take #Pervomayskoye from the south and north.
▪️ In #Maryinka intense fighting continues. The Liberation of the town is complicated due to the uninterrupted supply and reinforcements.
▪️ In the #Ugledar sector, fighting is taking place in the private sector southeast of #Ugledar. The enemy regrouped and attempted to dislodge the RF Armed Forces from the territory, but the marines of the 155th Pacific Fleet Brigade repulsed the attack and pushed the militants back.
▪️ Ukrainian forces have set up a field hospital near the South Donbass mine, where some of the militants have been withdrawn. Other AFU units retreated deep into #Ugledar, and all approaches to the city have been mined.
➖ The Russian fighters launched an offensive towards the mine from the #Nikolskoye side, pushing through the enemy defences. A takeover of the road near the mine will threaten the supply of the AFU to #Ugledar.

https://t.me/sitreports/3975

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 5:03 utc | 324

It’s always worth remembering that Desert Storm was not the walkover that the west has subsequently portrayed it as. The Iraqis were still capable of providing determined opposition to the invasion, something that surprised the western forces on several occasions. Iraq was inevitably defeated and all the problems of the invasion were subsequently covered over, creating a mythology of western military omnipotence that has remained to this day.
https://stolzuntermenschen.substack.com/p/2003-iraq-war-the-gru-intelligence

Posted by: Paulymx | Jan 31 2023 5:05 utc | 325

The proposition is absurd if for no other reason than the fact that NATO does not have much of an air defence system that could defend against cruise missile barrages and the EU is already living on borrowed time in terms of stored natural gas. An intervention by NATO or NATO members would give Russia the green light to bomb European economies already on the brink of collapse and the ensuing civil unrest could very well topple the governments responsible for supporting intervention.

Posted by: Nemo | Jan 31 2023 5:14 utc | 326

Nemo @328–
IMO, those economies can be toppled without resorting to bombing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 5:23 utc | 327

This debate about the threat of America deploying ground troops in Ukraine is a bogus debate.
It’s a bogus debate because America *already* has significant numbers of its stormtroopers deployed in Ukraine–albeit unofficially.
These US troops are not merely individual volunteers but “sheep-dipped” American soldiers who have temporarily resigned from the US military to fight in Ukraine and provide plausible deniability for official American military belligerence in that country.
These American troops could be in the form of Blackwater-style mercenary groups; so-called advisors who direct, oversee and gather intel for America’s Ukrainian cannon fodder; or units that operate the more technically-complex weapons that America has proliferated into Ukraine. There must significant numbers of these American troops currently in Ukraine to fulfill all these tasks.
The only question is whether America will come out of the closet and overtly deploy more ground troops into Ukraine–as opposed to its current informal covert deployment.
Finally, don’t minimize the American threat and its psychopathic war drive–whether that be against Russia, China, Iran, or whomever.
America has been at war for the vast majority of its murderous history for the past 200 years. Even official data from the US Government’s Congressional Research Service provides documentation of this reality:
US launched 251 military interventions since 1991, and 469 since 1798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Pr9g_7Nhc
Given this history, Americans are obviously not a peace-loving nation. In fact, they are the opposite.
War, bloodlust, and a Nietzschean Will-to-Power are essential to America’s cultural and political DNA. These values are the foundation of American national identity and its Christian-style delusions that the USA has a divine Manifest Destiny to subjugate first the North American continent and now the entire world.
Behind its national lies about freedom and liberty, America is nothing more than a Anglo/European colonizer nation, the spawn of a rapacious British Empire that itself has been waging wars of plunder and conquest for centuries to this day.
There is no way in hell that the collective West–Americans, Anglos, or Eurotrash–are going to give up 500 years of Western domination of this planet peacefully. Those who suggest otherwise are gaslighting and belied by the actual history of continuous warfare that the West has been waging for centuries.
Western moral superiority is a pathology that defines the collective West from Western citizens to their regimes that they elect. And this deranged ideology is what ultimately justifies Western wars.
The West is Best. Europe is a Garden. America is the Beacon of Liberty and Arsenal of Democracy. And Evil-Doers-Hate-Our-Freedoms. These slogans are hilariously delusional and self-soothing bullshit for a very sick people.
The only way that the collective West and America can be deterred from escalating their wars is the mortal fear that they and their loved ones at long last will be on the receiving end of the horror that have inflicted on the Rest of the World….

Posted by: ak74 | Jan 31 2023 5:23 utc | 328

Are congratulations in order? Srivastava TP Group Captain (2022-01-29). Low Yield Blast Over Germany’: US Is Increasing The Possibility Of Nuclear Retaliation By Russia – OPED By MiG Fighter Pilot. Eurasian Times.
Gp Cpt TP Srivastava (Retd) is an ex-NDA who flew MiG-21 and 29. He is a qualified flying instructor. He commanded the MiG-21 squadron. He is a directing staff at DSSC Wellington and chief instructor at the College of Air Warfare.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 31 2023 5:27 utc | 329

dpa news agency says Brazil, Argentina, China try to find negotiation with RU/UKR after Scholz visit.
Plan sounds like fairy tale No. 101. But I do like fairy tales though. Comforting for 90 minutes.

Posted by: AG | Jan 31 2023 5:38 utc | 330

Using a tactical nuke just because your enemy got 60 tanks from Germams is crazy. Sorry that will never happen.

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 31 2023 5:40 utc | 331

@El Lissitzky
re: German media
may be you have an answer – where do those “Pissnelken” of journalists get their info?
How is it possible they are off the track that much.
I look into TAZ, I look into SZ, I dare not look into FAZ and ZEIT etc.
(BZ ist probably the least worse of the lot, and FREITAG sort of gave up on it all)
Not to speak of TV and Radio.(actually BR is more progressive than DLF.)
it´s troubling how they ignore things.
But seriously how come?
There are theories of NATO information centers supplying agencies with the “data” and Kiev agencies the stringers.
What about the correspondents?
I just don´t get it.

Posted by: AG | Jan 31 2023 5:45 utc | 332

” There is no way in hell that the collective West–Americans, Anglos, or Eurotrash–are going to give up 500 years of Western domination of this planet peacefully. Those who suggest otherwise are gaslighting and belied by the actual history of continuous warfare that the West has been waging for centuries.
Western moral superiority is a pathology that defines the collective West from Western citizens to their regimes that they elect. And this deranged ideology is what ultimately justifies Western wars.
The West is Best. Europe is a Garden. America is the Beacon of Liberty and Arsenal of Democracy. And Evil-Doers-Hate-Our-Freedoms. These slogans are hilariously delusional and self-soothing bullshit for a very sick people.
The only way that the collective West and America can be deterred from escalating their wars is the mortal fear that they and their loved ones at long last will be on the receiving end of the horror that have inflicted on the Rest of the World….
Posted by: ak74 | Jan 31 2023 5:23 utc | 330 ”
Slow clap good sir. The “war is already over crowd ” are in for a big surprise. However, there is another possible outcome , a ” peaceful understanding “.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 31 2023 5:48 utc | 333

Fighting near Artemovsk-Bakhmut continues unabated. The city is in a semicircle and the Ukrainian grouping is gradually being cut off from the main supply arteries. Just yesterday the Wagner group occupied the village of Blagodatnoye. We also visited the liberated Kleshcheyevka village southwest of Artemovsk.
There was information on the net that a reincarnation of the Russian-banned Azov regiment* had been sent to the “Bakhmut meat grinder”. In its current form, it is called the “3rd Separate Assault Brigade” of the AFU. Kiev very much hopes to stop the agony near Artemovsk at the expense of elite and trained formations. But so far they have not managed to find combat glory – in the same Kleshcheevka village, the Wagner successfully dealt with the nationalists. And the recent video of Azov* from the village of Kurdyumovka, in which the leader of the Azov nationalists himself, Andriy Biletskyi, is an extra confirmation of this. Despite all the triumphant tales on the video, Azov failed to repulse Kurdyumivka* and turned back with losses. Perhaps that is why the press service of the “Azov” UZSP*, a regiment within the National Guard, hastened to disassociate itself from the “3rd Separate Assault Brigade” with the same name. Now military observers have to sort out the varieties of Azov* – which of them is “true” and which is not.
However, no matter what they are called, the notorious Azov* exists and is fighting in the Artemovsk-Bakhmut region. True, not been very successful so far. The Wagner fighters have demonstrated this to us by showing us their symbols and trophies NATO weapons.
In any case, neither warriors nor commanders are going to underestimate the enemy. As the fighters of the Wagner group told us, the approaches to Kleshcheevka were defended by the 53rd mechanized brigade of the AFU, units of the military defense, and the Aidar battalion (recognized as extremist in Russia and banned). The latter was in Kleshcheevka as a kind of “barrier unit” and “deputy political officer” in one “bottle”. But after the Aydar retreated, everything fell apart. And then the Wagners were already facing Azov*.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31499

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 5:48 utc | 334

@ LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 23:06 utc | 213

It always puzzled me greatly why the USA would need 11 carrier groups with I believe two more in the works.

How can you be “puzzled” about that? They are designed to be extremely expensive, and that is all it is. It is how the establishment milk the society of their funds. Why ask where the money went when it is clear it went into the pockets of the MIC and that was how it was meant to be all along.
Similar, NASA designed the utterly purposeless International Space Station in order for the utterly useless Space Shuttle to have somewhere to go. Both had no purpose other than being extremely expensive. And so it goes.
When a system that works like this meets real opposition, it crumbles.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2023 6:01 utc | 335

The fact is…. the true powers that set policy in the West… including the U.S.A are not nationalist….they have no loyalty to any country…no loyalty to anything except protection of their Capital…they are Globalists… faceless shareholders and their most lucrative business is war. They want to destroy Russia…it is their stated goals. These sick bastards have an ethos that teaches that universal laws of balance or “reaping what you sow” are mitigated if full disclosure is provided beforehand to the afflicted parties. They are parasites… probably from millennia of inbreeding….so their decisions are on the surface illogical to most minds. With this said….the Western economic interests have amassed secretive concentrations of divisions on the Ukrainian border and will send these troops into Ukraine to seize resources to create a buffer from which to resuscitate their proxy beast….they will avoid outright confrontation with the Russians but will have their Nuclear triad on standby to avoid their annihilation…once the last defensive positions are defeated in the Donbas by specialized Urban fighting forces…the combined arms Tank Armies will go west and it will be a race. Poland can have the Bandera enclaves in the West where they will decimate them at leisure…. Bandera and company ethnically cleansed Poles in this area. This of course my opinion…. regardless…the next little while will be tense times

Posted by: Joe | Jan 31 2023 6:12 utc | 336

personal recommendation:
watch Noam Chomsky (yeah) talk about Vietnam War.
It´s knowing and touching.
60 min.
https://znetwork.org/zvideo/noam-chomsky-on-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-end-of-the-vietnam-war/

Posted by: AG | Jan 31 2023 6:28 utc | 337

Posted by: Exile | Jan 31 2023 4:50 utc | 323
War Party intends massive escalation over nex”t few years.”
With what money?
They’re going to be playing catch-up with Russia for the next decade if not two at least.
And then there’s China, which dwarfs the US and EU in production capacity. Beat both Russia and China? With what real economy, as Martyanov constantly points out?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 31 2023 6:31 utc | 338

I think the longer the war goes on the more the US is able to whitewash its horrible track record & reputation of post-9/11 criminality and destruction on a massive scale in the Middle East. Indeed, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is essentially a 9/11 redux and all the sympathy and adoration for it is likewise a captive sympathy and adoration for the US, just is in the case of the original 9/11.
Indeed, unlike in the case of the invasion of Iraq, now the EU (France/Germany) are completely fully on board: it’s the Israel dynamic, wherein it’s almost sacrilege to go against the prevailing narrative, whether it be support for US/Ukraine or Israel. As a result, the EU, unlike even in the case of the original 9/11, has become a fully captive province of the US/UK/NATO unipolar triad.

Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 31 2023 6:31 utc | 339

in 2021 was around 9m with a sustained peak of around 11m-12m in the more expansionary years 2013-2018:
Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 23:32 utc | 224

Careful with your automobile production statistics.
Assembly from imported parts counts as domestic production.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 31 2023 6:42 utc | 340

Swedes just joined the Ukie Nazis for processing a taste for Russian meat.
Swedes prefer their Russian meat fried in butter.
https://sputniknews.com/20230131/frying-russians-in-butter-major-swedish-daily-under-fire-for-spreading-hate-speech-1106843523.html

Posted by: Surferket | Jan 31 2023 6:44 utc | 341

@Sektion2B | Jan 31 2023 1:03 utc | 251

It seems that Stoltenberg’s World Ammunition Tour is not going that well. At least he’s accumulating air miles.

He used to give New Year speeches as PM about CO2 “emissions” and their supposed effects on climate. I cannot imagine a worse hypocrite.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2023 6:52 utc | 342

@karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 1:22 utc | 260

Being Norwegian, Glenn Diesen has written a neutral essay that RT published, “Is NATO helping Ukraine to fight Russia or is it using Ukraine to fight Russia?” However, the evidence presented makes it very clear the answer is using, I’d say criminally abusing. Diesen doesn’t go back any further than 2011 for his evidence and could have used the numerous accounts that deal with NATO wanting to incorporate Ukraine since the 1990s (and he could even have gone much further back in time), but what he provides is plenty of proof. IMO, it’s an excellent primer for the unconvinced.

Glenn Diesen is a rare voice of sanity, thanks for the heads up.
https://www.rt.com/news/570687-nato-ukraine-fight-russia/

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2023 6:58 utc | 343

This is just utter insanity. A solid destructive path for all concerned. Somehow the leaders of all major countries (not including Putin) are incompetent clowns and the interference and influences from the globalists (WEF and many others) makes the situation that more insane. The lunatics have taken over the aslyum, literally. This war will go on and on for a protracted period of time in history racking up sooo much death and destruction. The only want the US (NATO) could conquer Russia would be with nukes (lights out for everybody). All of their evil and stupid actions are recoiling on them, as always. The most optimum solution if for the people of these insane western nations to roll out the guillotines and purge their governments, institutions, and culture of all the bad actors. That will never happen because man is in a degraded state and not up for that sort of action (that takes people with a high survival potential, and docile slaves don’t have that attribute). More insanity, destruction, and collapsing empires. The cycle that runs over and over on Planet Earth.

Posted by: me | Jan 31 2023 7:33 utc | 344

Karlofi,
” It was about incubating a new bubble, based on zero-cost new money (known as MMT).”
Complete nonsense. You don’t move to MMT. MMT just describes how the monetary system actually works in the real world as the West lies about it. “Sound money” based on the old gold standard and fixed exchange rates is for geopolitical purposes and the foundation of neoliberalism.
The author cleary does not understand MMT. There’s no MMT without a job guarentee. I’ll repeat that again. There is NO MMT without the job guarentee. MMT recommends eliminating interest rate changes and placing the currency on a labour hour standard. That’s how we anchor the monetary economy to the real economy. Nobody has done that – so they are still using Neoliberal, globalist stabilisation policy. The only bonds any country needs are Granny bonds.
Just paying people money has a tendency to be inflationary – again as MMT explains. It’s a framing trick by the “sound money” loons- this thing that was done differently must be MMT so it’s MMT that’s incorrect and chumps fall for it.
MMT specifically says for 30 years now you get rid of interest rate targeting so where the author gets the idea that raising interest rates to fight inflation comes from shows he doesn’t understand it. Warren Mosler daily on his Twitter feed shows increasing interest rates makes inflation worse. As the increased cost of credit just gets passed onto the consumer as higher prices and via the interest income channels. You increase rates that his a fiscal stimulus as interest gets paid to those with savings.
” But while you can print money, you can’t print resources” is one of the stupid things ever said. without putting two and two together and realising that the unemployed are the resources that back the money that is created. If nobody else is using these people, they can be hired for the public good. Besides, the government is morally obliged to hire them since it is the policy of over taxing by the government that has made them unemployed.
In aggregate, the only way the government can get rid of all these workers is if the private sector hires them. Otherwise we end up paying public workers to do nothing rather than paying them to do something. And that makes no sense. We have spent the best part of 2 years paying a good deal of the country 80% of their wages to remain on standby. The creditors to stave off are nowhere to be seen. There is no shortage of stuff on the shelf. How many more billions of Treasuries do they have to sell at near-zero redemption yields? Surely by now, it should be clear that the old mental model is just a laughable anachronism.
Perhaps the mental blockage is the horrible realisation that an awful lot of private sector activity adds about as much real value to the economy as a government furlough payment. The task of the private sector is to invest capital and replace drudgery with advanced machinery. Should be treated like cattle not pets.
How the Job Guarantee (JG) Controls Inflation
When you move from the JG to the private sector, government spending reduces as the private sector spending increases. This is because your wage is now paid by the private sector, not the government.
When a private sector firm goes bust, you lose your private sector wage and get a job guarantee wage – which may be lower. That increases government spending as the private sector spending is withdrawn, and nips back any boom wages that may not have been justified since the bust operation failed to push forward productivity.
Those payments and reductions are spatially targeted precisely where they are required. So you can have an area where private sector employment is increasing. Government spending on JG jobs will reduce in that area. While at the same time, the JG is increasing spending in a weak area elsewhere in the country. That’s the financial stabilisation half.
Expectation Stabilisation
The JG wage is a fixed living income wage. It never competes on price.Because there are people on the JG, working and turning up every day, that is a greater threat to the living wage worker in the private sector – since they can be more easily replaced if they ask for more money.
However, the worker doesn’t have to put up with sweat shop wages and can move to the JG at will. So Uber et al have to pay a wage that reflects the risk and reward of the job or they won’t get any labour.
Similarly if a firm tries to raise its prices because they now can’t pay sweat shop wages, then that negates the “non-competitive” protection in the JG and JG labour can be used by social enterprises/local democracy to replace the operation trying to raise its prices.
The result is that firms that drive quantity expansion by automation are favoured. Firms can shed labour as automation proceeds, safe in the knowledge that the JG will catch those people and make sure they have a job and an income in the area they want to live in. Demand stays up and productivity is driven forward, and that is where the higher level wage increases can come from.
That’s the expectation stabilisation half. Which Means…JG is a credible threat to both workers and firms. The only degree of freedom left is to do more with less.
Both the financial half and the expectations half work together to anchor wages and prices.
Either you have an unemployment buffer doing the stabilisation (as we have now) or you have an employed buffer. The MMT analysis is that the employed buffer is superior, to the extent that it can replace the interest rate targeting mechanism we have now and base rates can be left at 0% permanently. Which ensures mortgages remain low. Regarding asset inflation you use other tools to fix that by reforming the banks.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 31 2023 7:37 utc | 345

Between 1935 and 1943, the WPA literally built the infrastructure of modern America, including 572,000 miles of rural roads, 67,000 miles of urban streets, 122,000 bridges, 1,000 tunnels, 1,050 fifty airfields, and 4,000 airport buildings. It also constructed 500 water treatment plants, 1,800 pumping stations, 19,700 miles of water mains, 1,500 sewage treatment plants, 24,000 miles of sewers and storm drains, 36,900 schools, 2,552 hospitals, 2,700 firehouses, and nearly 20,000 county, state, and local government buildings ALL WITH UNSKILLED workers.
So when you compare productivity that is what you compare. You compare that output against sitting at home doing nothing because the private sector wouldn’t hire them. You either pay the unemployed to do something or pay them to do nothing.
What happened? Not only did these people develop new skills on the job that could be easily transferred into the private sector. So that the private sector would hire them.Some of these people set up their own businesses and became business leaders. Whilst developing infrastructure of modern day America free from the rentier class. Making America at the time a cheap place to live and do business.
Why of course China is winning who follow this model.
MMT takes the view that monetary policy is largely useless as a stabilisation device, and what is known as the horizontal circuit (“bank money”) should be left to operate as a market rather than being manipulated all the time. Therefore you leave the base rate at the natural rate of 0% and stop artificially trying to hold it above that, particularly stop moving it around.
What that means is that government stops paying banks “welfare on reserves” payments. No Interest on Reserves. No Bond Coupons. Any income banks earn they have to get by discounting collateral in the private economy and charging for that service (aka making loans).
System stabilisation can then be done using the vertical circuit (“central bank money”) which is added and removed as required to commercial bank’s balance sheets and forcibly creates additional bank deposits in the hands of individuals – because bank money is pegged one-to-one to central bank money.
The result is that the bank money system operates within a containment vessel defined by fixed banking policies, not ones that change month to month, and the banking system ebbs and flows within the policy boundaries, with the government’s vertical system countercyclically matching the ebb and flow.
This is where the Job Guarantee sits. The wage is paid with vertical money and matches the ebb and flow of bank money spending countercyclically. But importantly it does the same thing on the production side with labour hours – injecting and removing labour hours countercyclically with private and public sector demand keeping labour hours near constant relative to the working population.
A guaranteed alternative job replaces bank credit manipulation as the stabilisation process. The production system gets a change in output, not a dead loss. You get income in your pocket, not a debt millstone around your neck.
And that’s how you get to true full employment and price stability within an economic system where demand is satisfied. Yet, imperative that you reform the banks.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 31 2023 7:49 utc | 346

Bank reform :
The job of a bank is to promote the capital development of the economy. That is its public purpose; the job it is licensed to do. All other activities that conflicts with that purpose must be prevented. Especially asset inflation.
For banking to be effective it must be boring — bowler hat boring. The job of a bank is to provide capital development loans to the economy based solely upon credit analysis. All other activities deflecting from that purpose are Ultra Vires.
That means:
Banks can only lend directly to borrowers for capital development purposes (i.e. business credit lines and household loans), and the banks keep those loans on their books until cleared.
Banks must operate on a single balance sheet. No hiving things off into ‘off balance sheet’ subsidiaries to try and hide them.
Banks cannot accept collateral. Collateral is a fixed charge over an asset as an insurance policy and aligns the incentives of banks with those possessing assets, not ideas. It stops banks being capital developers and turns them into pawn shops. That is the wrong alignment of incentives. We want loan officers with skin in the game. Their success should depend upon the success of the borrower. Banks should line up in insolvency with the other unsecured creditors (and importantly behind the remaining preferential creditors — employees).
Depositors are protected 100% at all amounts. A depositor in a commercial bank is holding nothing more than an outsourced central bank account. They are not investors in the bank and should never be treated as such.
Regulation is provided by the bank resolution agency, which is a public body funded entirely by government. There is no charge or levy to the banks for the operation. The job of the bank resolution agency is to ensure the banks are properly capitalised given their loan book and declare them solvent. If they are not, they take the bank over and resolve it with any excess losses absorbed by government. This aligns the incentives of the regulator. If they get the solvency calculation wrong and the capital buffers exhaust, the regulator stands the cost.
The Central Bank provides unlimited, unsecured lending to regulated banks at zero interest rates. Collateral serves no purpose since the bank has been declared solvent (and therefore there is no reason for it to be illiquid), and collateralised Central Bank lending just shifts the losses to depositors who are protected 100% anyway.
Once you get rid of interbank collateral and funding requirements, you get rid of one of the final excuses for keeping Government Bonds. National Savings annuities for pensions (allowing retiring individuals to receive a secure lifetime income) would get rid of the final one. Transferable instruments that confer government welfare on the owners do not serve the public purpose. Government welfare receipt is a social decision, not a market driven one.
As the asset side is heavily regulated, you want the liability side to be as cheap as possible. Unlimited central bank access ensures liquidity for depositors and allows lending-only banks to arise. It gets rid of the Interbank overnight market and replaces it with central bank overnight accounts. It puts the Central Bank ‘in the bank’ as a major investor — with open access to the commercial bank’s loan book via the work of the solvency regulator.
All levies, liquidity ratios, reserve requirements and the like are eliminated. The cost of maintaining the collateral system is eliminated. The result is loans at a low price with the quantity restricted solely by credit quality. As an economy heats up, credit quality declines and loans become restricted — systemically preventing the Ponzi stages of finance that lead to a Minsky Moment.
Proscribed banks, forced to rely on credit analysis for profit, help prevent a boom by issuing less credit as project quality declines.You get a natural and steady withdrawal of funding that is far more surgically targeted and responsive to local conditions, than the carpet bombing approach of interest rate adjustment.
This leaves the payment system, which should be as costless as cash and clear just as instantly to eliminate transaction frictions. Whether that should be publicly provided, or remain outsourced to the banks is an open question. Depositors are a cost to the bank and would effectively be a tax, but leaving them with the banks would give them an incentive to get the cost of clearing provision down. It may boil down to a political question that depends upon your view of the effectiveness of public and private provision. I’d lean towards an Open clearing system created by the state (or even states) and available to all on an open licence. We want one good clearing system like we have one good Linux.
Banks are currently too complicated, too large, too impersonal, too intertwined and systemically dangerous. They need to be simpler, smaller, more local and relationship oriented in scope.
Once again, because there is a Job Guarantee and a government that will use fiscal policy, we don’t need the banks to provide endless credit, any more than we need private firms to provide endless jobs. Banks and firms can be maintained at their appropriate natural size and location as determined by the technological level of the economy and where people actually reside.
It’s absurd to suggest MMT was tried but failed. There’s NO MMT without a job guarentee and huge reforms to both the commercial banks and central bank. MMT is the antithesis to the current neoliberal, globalist “sound money ” war mongering neo con brigade and why they attacked it so firecly and tried to ban it in congress.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 31 2023 7:57 utc | 347

Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 31 2023 7:37 utc | 347
I am sorry but this must be one of the most confusing word salads on MoA recently. In defense of MMT, a modern lunacy, it is actually understandable to go that way – there is no logic in it anyway.
All this (together with identity politics and other brain childs of postmodern social sciences) is driven by the excesses of the last decades and the entitled sheltered golden billion starting to think physical reality revolves around them. And will yield to their emotional needs.
Let me say just this: there is no such thing as a free lunch. It always comes from somewhere. Someone has to be on the other side, giving the lunch away, and even if it is a robot someone has to design, build, power and maintain it. If the taxpayers pay, they will demand minimisation of the free lunch or some other compensation that can also be moral to some limited extent. Any argument that fails to address how this is solved, especially in a world where the privilege of the golden billion is waning, is a fallacy.
All modern economic systems have the unanswered question of how to enforce price/quality of public services. It remains largely unresolved as of now.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 31 2023 8:07 utc | 348

alek_a | Jan 31 2023 8:07 utc | 349
>…must be one of the most confusing word salads on MoA …
Thanks. I’d already skipped over.
I know I’m getting lazy, but nope. Not reading posts like that.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 8:17 utc | 349

As a result, the EU, unlike even in the case of the original 9/11, has become a fully captive province of the US/UK/NATO unipolar triad.
Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 31 2023 6:31 utc | 341
It’s not a result, it was like that by design. The United States of Europe project. Slowly they took control over countries and their elected governments, replacing them with a small group that decides for them, without elections. What will probably break a part of EU will be the cancellation of veto rights, what Schlitz and Ursula demand almost every month.

Posted by: rk | Jan 31 2023 8:23 utc | 350

Western battlefield valiance…
Eng: https://t.me/TrackAMerc/3242
Rus: https://t.me/dvesti22/21901
They called a person out to negotiate surrender, then they shot him down.
Focing others into a last stand.
Lack of both morake and eficiency.

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 31 2023 8:31 utc | 351

As a result, the EU, unlike even in the case of the original 9/11, has become a fully captive province of the US/UK/NATO unipolar triad.
Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 31 2023 6:31 utc | 340
It’s not necessarily permanent, you know. Scholz and Von der Leyen are fools, their predecessors not too bad. It’s a mistake, often made by Europhobe North Americans on this blog, to confuse the EU position with the policies of the present-day chiefs, who could be out tomorrow if their domestic politics changed.
I don’t know why I have to keep repeating this obvious point, but a high proportion of posts on this blog ignore this basic principle of international politics.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 31 2023 8:39 utc | 352

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 31 2023 8:31 utc | 352
Azov members are cutting heads and arms of foreign mercenary members in order for their foreign identities not to be reveiled. Truely satanic folks. Won’t post link but you can find on The Right People Z tg channel.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2023 8:45 utc | 353

🇬🇧Subtitled English
Nidhögg, or the Norwegian squadron of Wagner’s PMC.
Eugene Prigozhin has repeatedly reported that the Orchestra has employees who are citizens of other countries. For example, Norwegian citizens.
“To date, we have 67 people from Norway. Two of them have dual citizenship, and one is Norwegian and American. More than half of these Norwegians have served in NATO armies”.
The aforementioned Nidhögg is a mythical Norwegian snake that lies in the Well of Peace and gnaws at one of the roots of the Tree of Life. The Nidhögg devours adulterers, criminals and despicable murderers.
Nidhögg fighters, by the way, take part in battles in the Bachmouth.

https://t.me/sitreports/3982

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 8:51 utc | 354

Afaik US state department officials basically select their own favorite EU official candidates, they get vetted and go through ”democratic EU Appointment processes”. It’s not by chance anyone with anti-empire views never appears in Eu. Parliament isn’t that critical as it is a powerless entity acting as a court jester.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2023 8:53 utc | 355

Throughout 2022, enemy propaganda was telling that the Russian economy would fall terribly already in 2022, and in 2023 it would fall even more. But something went wrong with yet another “rupture of the Russian economy to shreds.”
The latest IMF forecast (it is unlikely that this structure can be blamed for any sympathy for the Russian Federation) shows that the fall of the Russian economy in 2022 was not as significant as expected in the West, and in 2023 one can even expect a small economic growth.
Only 0.3% growth – a penny, but still. This is especially symptomatic against the background of forecasts by Western economists about the continuation of recession processes in the Eurozone, where a number of countries are actually in a state of recession, and some are on the verge. Just now, The Times wrote bluntly that, despite previous expectations, Britain’s economic problems turned out to be more serious than those of Russia.
Actually, this is a good indicator of the ability of the current economic system to adapt and the ongoing processes of reorientation of trade and raw materials flows, some of which remain in the shadows, avoiding the impact of economic sanctions. Maintaining economic stability and commodity export-import flows through friendly countries is an important component of the Russian Federation’s ability to wage a long war against the US and NATO in Ukraine.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31540

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 8:56 utc | 356

From the Ukrainian channel Legitimny:
#layout #Rumors
Our source reports that the Head of the Office of the President Yermak realized that monopolize or not monopolize the Ukrainian political “swamp”, and without a controlled opposition, he will not be able to rule.
Now is the best time to build a controlled opposition. The first candidate to head the parties of the controlled opposition, but in reality the parties are satellites of the Office of the President, is Aleksey Arestovich.
The main task of Arestovich is to take votes from Zelensky’s opponents, get into the future parliament and then stir up schemes with Yermak.
Someone is thinking about the war, while someone is busy with future elections, intrigues and the division of “portfolios”.
Zin Note: Interesting. So it appears that the future of Ukrainian politics will be a decision between Zelensky, Zaluzhny, and Arestovich, either themselves or simulacrums. Arestovich will take the vote of those skeptical of hard-core, delusional Ukrainian exceptionalism, but like the Republican party in the USA, their role will be to ease the skeptical into such beliefs in a more gradual manner.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31544

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 8:58 utc | 357

🇺🇦✈️🇷🇺The Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that Ukraine needs up to 200 fighters to protect the sky.
On the air of the French TV channel La Chaîne Info, the speaker of the AFU Air Forces, Yuri Ignat, said that Ukraine needs to create up to 5 tactical aviation brigades with one type of Western-style multipurpose aircraft.
“What type it will be is being determined now,” he said.
Now the F-16 is considered the most likely candidate to replace Soviet aircraft, he said.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/35579

Posted by: Down South | Jan 31 2023 9:00 utc | 358

A video from the body cameras of some eluminated members of Kraken unit, who intimidated their military personnel from the therodefense, is circulating on the network
This video certainly confirms the fact that the Kraken fighters act as detachments that do not allow ordinary fighters to refuse to perform combat missions.
The nationalists tie the hands of the troshniks and cover their eyes with scotch tape. To intimidate the soldiers, they put them on their knees with the inscription “traitor” and open fire in their direction.
The bestial attitude towards their own forces more and more Ukrainian servicemen to surrender.
@newsfrontnotes
https://t.me/russianhead/10735

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2023 9:20 utc | 359

“No U.S. ground troops will move into Ukraine. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.”
Seems to me that you are “misunder-estimating” the hubris and sheer foolhardiness of US/NATO leadership

Posted by: Edmund | Jan 31 2023 9:20 utc | 360

Posted by: Zet | Jan 30 2023 17:05 utc | 18
This is truly hysterical. Delusional, even.
At the bottom of this URL is a list of names and the organizations/countries they supposedly represent.
Some don’t exist.

Posted by: KR | Jan 31 2023 9:43 utc | 361

So
I read an Airforce general is pencilling in a conflict with China for 2025.
Any thoughts folks?

Posted by: jpc | Jan 31 2023 9:44 utc | 362

Afaik US state department officials basically select their own favorite EU official candidates,
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2023 8:53 utc | 357
Sounds as though your knowledge doesn’t go very far. Such overt control is not needed. And when it does happen, as in the case of the Iraqi prime minister, who is selected with a representative of the American embassy in the room, then the news gets out. It hasn’t with your presumption. American secret keeping is not great.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 31 2023 9:49 utc | 363

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 19:06 utc | 99
There is also the theory Skripal wanted to go home…….he would be 72 if alive in June 2023…..

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 9:54 utc | 364

@Down South | Jan 31 2023 4:43 utc | 320

In turn, Christoph Heusgen, who held the post of security policy adviser to former German Chancellor Angela Merkel from 2005 to 2017, said in an interview that before signing the Minsk agreements, Poroshenko informed the head of the German government about the deplorable situation of the AFU in the city of Debaltseve. “Poroshenko clearly told her that the [Ukrainian] defense forces had been defeated, they could barely hold the lines, that if the Russians broke through, they could go all the way to Kiev. Therefore, he needed an agreement,” Heusgen said.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35553

There were no Russians (i.e. Russian Federation armed forces) in Debaltsevo in early 2015, when Christoph Heusgen made the statement. Ukraine was fighting the Novorossiyan Armed Forces. I believe Russia did send 32 T-72 tanks and some artillery to Debaltsevo, but this happened only after Merkel and Poroshenko had signed the Minsk II agreement and after Ukraine refused to leave Debaltsevo, despite this being implied in the agreement.

if “Russia” broke through, they could go all the way to Kiev.

There was a belief in Donbass, after both the the Minsk I and II agreements, that if Putin had not ordered the ceasefire and imposed the Minsk agreements, NAF could have broken through and gone all the way to Kiev. At a minimum, they could have taken Mariupol in September 2014.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces were thoroughly defeated. I kept track of Ukrainian units in the summer of 2014. Almost every one of them ended up in a cauldron, never to be heard of again. Ukraine claims only 5000 killed in action. The real number may be 40,000.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 31 2023 9:57 utc | 365

This didn’t need to happen but for the psychosis and greed Here in the West.
“The West” ????? You mean the ignorant stupid corrupt voters in US of A who serially elect gangsters to high office at all levels and let them turn the place into a version of the GDR with Oligarchs ?
Yes – that is “the West” – Land of the Free, Home of Tom Cruise and Tom Clancy and the heroic Seal Team 6 and Jack Ryan and Jason Bourne and “Thank you for your service !” Yankee-Doodle Dandy parades…….
Yes “The West” is all Stars and Stripes

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 9:57 utc | 366

The job of a bank is to promote the capital development of the economy. That is its public purpose; the job it is licensed to do. All other activities that conflicts with that purpose must be prevented. Especially asset inflation.
and the earth is flat and you can sail off the edge……….
Why do you write such lunatic tripe ?
WTF is “the capital development of the economy” ?????????
Do you know ANY Economics ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 10:00 utc | 367

So
I read an Airforce general is pencilling in a conflict with China for 2025.
Any thoughts folks?
Posted by: jpc | Jan 31 2023 9:44 utc | 364
That’s what national policy WEF wants – war in China and Russia. But in reality, if a US aircraft carrier gets sunk in the east China sea, not many people in vassal states would care. Poke around and find out. They can order their “professional” forces to attack those states and that’s it.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 31 2023 10:11 utc | 368

You don’t want to sink carriers in your waters. You want to sink them in their home water or other enemy waters, like Japan or SK. Let them deal with radiation.

Posted by: rk | Jan 31 2023 10:16 utc | 369

@Derek Henry | Jan 31 2023 7:57 utc | 349
@Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 10:00 utc | 369

On banking here is an interesting thread on the CFTC … that includes a link to the meeting where the CFTC committee members interviewed Sam Bankman Fried, and relates to how the Commodities Futures Trading Commission is responsible for regulating cryptocurrencies.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/10oei0a/the_everything_connection_the_largest_ponzi/
One wonders how virtual commodities trading can become.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 31 2023 10:16 utc | 370

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 3:25 utc | 301
Oops, “that you cannot see the fallacies in your own logic should be embarrassing. As is the false inference you made from my comment.”
Amercia is based on stolen lands. As pseudo-“Israel”, the outlaw US is not a legitimate country. So comparisons to Indigenous people, “holds a green card” or not are not valid. Plus the criticisms against the US should extend far beyond just imperialism.
More critically, my original article is not based on my logic, but on yours. The logic in your narrative argues that people who criticize the US should not live in the US, without any mention of citizenship or not. My paragraph reveals the fallacies of the true meaning of your comment.
Just because someone criticizes the US and chooses to leave does not mean that others are obligated to do so, let alone that it means “intergrity or not”, which is another of your embrassing logical fallacies.

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 10:44 utc | 371

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 3:25 utc | 301
Second, as many others have said, the other members of his family have US citizenship, so your attempt to draw a line between “citizen or not” or “guest or not” to get rid of the embarrassment caused by the debunking of the natural inference in your original comment is invalid.
If you don’t mean “everyone who hates America should get out”, then what is the fundamental difference between a green card and a citizen?
The only reasonable inference is that you even think that the spouse of a US citizen who resents the US shouldn’t live in the US either, otherwise it’s “compromise his integrity”.
Let’s not start with the fact that U.S. immigration law allows the spouse of a citizen to become a citizen. Even Christian nationalists and white nationalists would not object to his identity. It seems you can only be more xenophobic than these people – so are you a fascist or a Nazi?

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 10:56 utc | 372

Derek Henry @349 post
Awesome. Had to read the post again to understand.

Posted by: Vinny | Jan 31 2023 10:58 utc | 373

Posted by: too scents | Jan 31 2023 10:16 utc | 372
It is much much worse than that.
Commodities Exchanges were set up for Farmers and Agribusiness to hedge……….a certain US President submitted to Wall Street Lobbyists – and let Goldman, Barclays, JPM, and assorted Hedge Funds onto the Commodities Exchange…….
That is how the price of grain was driven up and how food speculation by Wall Street caused the so-called “Arab Spring” as food prices soared. It is why they are keeping Russian grain and fertiliser bottled up – with Russian fertiliser in EU port facilities……..
The Story of US of A is the Financialisation of Life and the creation of Debt-Mortgage on every part of existence – Health, Education, Housing, Transportation, Food, – it is the Financial Enslavement through Google, Meta, Apple, MasterCard

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 11:02 utc | 374


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A study commissioned by a US bank lobby group found financial institutions are “essential” to commodity markets, in a public sign that the industry is mobilising to defend its ability to move raw materials.
The Federal Reserve is reviewing whether to allow large US banks to buy and sell physical commodities, not just futures contracts. Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are also fighting to keep commodity assets like power plants and oil tanks as their five-year anniversary as Fed-regulated financial holding companies approaches this week.

https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2013/08/10/banks-and-commodities-trading/
In 2003, in the first Physical Commodities Trading order, the Federal Reserve determined that it was permissible for Citigroup, Inc. to retain its subsidiary Phibro, Inc., which had been a subsidiary of Travelers Group before the Citigroup-Travelers merger. Phibro was engaged in the activity of purchasing and selling commodities in the spot market and taking and making delivery of physical commodities to settle commodity derivatives.
Jamie Dimon and Sandy Weill drove a coach and horses through Glass-Steagall when Citi acquired Travelers 1998
To speed up the process, they recruited to the Board of Directors former President Gerald Ford (Republican) and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin (who served during the Democratic Clinton Administration) whom Weill was close to. With both Democrats and Republicans on their side, the law was taken down in less than two years.
Slick Willy was happy to oblige…….and no doubt Newt Gingrich was happier still

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 11:08 utc | 375

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 3:25 utc | 301
Last and the most importantly, even considering citizenship or not, my original article stands because I didn’t mention whether Native Americans have US citizenship or not.
This post hoc invented excuses of yours for citizenship or not cause your embarrassingly false inferences, personal attacks and humiliations.
“Until 1924, Native Americans were not citizens of the United States”
Do you believe that Native Americans had no right to criticize the U.S. while living in the U.S. before 1924 because they were not U.S. citizens?
This is just what I said “Do you state that Native Americans born in the United States cannot hate American imperialism and still live in the US?”
And in fact many Native groups at the time were opposed to this grant of citizenship, so do you believe that Native Americans who voluntarily renounce their U.S. citizenship have no right to live in the United States while criticizing the United States?
“One group who opposed the Bill was the Onondaga Nation. They believed acceptance of this act was “treason” because the United States Senate was forcing citizenship on all Indians without their consent. According to the Iroquois, the Bill disregarded previous treaties between the Indian Tribes and the United States”
By the way, you still ignored this part of my comment:
“What does hatred of American imperialism have to do with this land? This land belongs to the indigenous people, not to U.S. imperialism.
Obviously, the availability of other options does not mean that he is obliged to choose other options.”

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 11:11 utc | 376

So this articles begs an answer to the question: How many Polacks does it take to start a war with Russia?

Posted by: Chicago Bob | Jan 31 2023 11:31 utc | 377

Posted by: Opport Knocks
After all, not only is the difference between Saker and (pre-1924) Native Americans not citizenship or not, but more importantly, citizenship or not does not mean that criticizing a country while not leaving it is what you call “compromising on integrity” (a hypocritical term for “hypocrisy”): does the fact that the vast majority of Baltic Russians do not have citizenship of those countries mean that criticizing the discrimination against them in Baltic “land” while not leaving it is what you call “compromising on integrity”? I should remind you that it is “not only against Imperialism”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_the_Baltic_states

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 11:32 utc | 378

Video of how Western supplies get into Ukraine:
https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1619221675119382528
This guy is just driven into Ukraine from Poland and passes Western supplies going to towards the battlefields.
These videos appear from time to time and are sometimes removed before too long.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 31 2023 11:33 utc | 379

@Down South | Jan 31 2023 8:51 utc | 356

Eugene Prigozhin has repeatedly reported that the Orchestra has employees who are citizens of other countries. For example, Norwegian citizens.
“To date, we have 67 people from Norway. Two of them have dual citizenship, and one is Norwegian and American. More than half of these Norwegians have served in NATO armies”.

Thanks for that information, I had no idea.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 31 2023 11:43 utc | 380

Lol b, Hope they have sent you a substantial subscription and donation!!
Glad that there are ‘experts’ paying attention to MoA because this Oasis of Truth seekers through our regular imbibition of clear argument , exposition, lecture and yes ‘voices’ does provide a better understanding of the Human Condition
On the note of the failed again perennial campaign to take Russia, it’s been attempted for centuries now! They have bet the farm on it many times and lost everything every time. Some even twice and idiotically going for a full rubber – their reputation for being thick as mince is well earnt – Poles certainly, dumb Scandies and now the somehow mentally challenged Germans- the French and Italian long since given up, as usual, just the walloons and Dutch and English lions left to wake up. To be fair, I have known a few East Germans who seemed to have their heads screwed on better than their American occupied brethren .
So – whilst Russia plays the game of being extended – ‘Stop please , I am tired, I am spent out, you are surely winning , ouch , puff puff, idontthink I’ll last much longer, your plan is amazing , I was not prepared to go the full 15 rounds ..etc – whilst rope-a-doping like a genius old champion. Having a wink and joke with supporters in his corner. And constantly jabbing deadly punches , gaining more points each round …this rumble in the ukrop jungle is about to destroy the Gardeners into a Collective Waste.
The madness of the centuries will finally end , the masonic idolators and their bred blue bloods will not only fail again but forever.
Their tears of not having control of Russias resources, profits of which they had long booked , borrowed against and spent, out of hubris , means they are left like toddlers having tantrums in the sweet shop, denied even more sugar brain warping.
‘I want it now and I want it for free , it’s MINE, my grandma promised me!’
The populations blinded by cultural media, cinema songstress and super hero fantasies, propaganda and censorship will emerge from our cave of fantasy, blinking and marvelling at how infantilised and deluded we are compared to the majority of Humanity and Civilisation.
All that is left is for the deluded naked masters to realise they are no longer relevant.
Look at them , rolling around on the floor , red faced, snotty, bawling – whilst everyone else stands there watching at the strange entitled behaviour , wondering if the grown adult child has anyone that cares enough to drag them out and send them to bed early for being so horrifingly embarrassingly naughty!
See that noisy fat dishevelled brat? That Bozo the Clown King of ‘Global Britain’, whining about Putin being able to zap him wherever , however far behind the lines , he feels safe from, indulging in wine women and mountains of cocaine? See him whine ? See all the sold out social justice warriors? all the Blair babe turd way clones, the woke trans human boy toys, the dinosaur grandees on their last deluded legs, having only survived so long by inhuman organ stealing, minced baby stem cell slurping and such diabolical practices?
That is the punch drunk Collective Waste tottering. And if they try and pull a fast one by cheating as usual , the Chinese Umpire will step in and fulfill the SCO treaty obligations of mutual self defence as reaffirmed just a year ago BEFORE the start of this match.
Today I will raise a glass to the victory at Stalingrad and the surrender of the Nazis deluded general there.
Urrrrrraaaa!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 31 2023 12:08 utc | 381

AG @ 333

I look into TAZ, I look into SZ, I dare not look into FAZ and ZEIT etc.
(BZ ist probably the least worse of the lot, and FREITAG sort of gave up on it all)
Not to speak of TV and Radio.(actually BR is more progressive than DLF.)
it´s troubling how they ignore things.

Don’t forget nachdenkseiten.de, they are still operating and in touch with reality, I wonder for how long will they be able to keep it up…

But seriously how come?
There are theories of NATO information centers supplying agencies with the “data”

Someone is handing down orders and “information”, I’m also wondering who that is, it may well be NATO information centers…

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 31 2023 12:10 utc | 382

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 31 2023 11:33 utc | 381
Oh, please. Don’t pollute the bar with the crap a Julian Roepcke is excreting. He is a notorious liar who is publishing his bs-propaganda in the worst tabloid you can find in Germany. One example further down in the twitter thread:
”Russian propagandists use their likely victory in Bakhmut to allege they are winning the war. Of course they don’t. Their casualties are 5-10 times higher than the Ukrainian ones and …”
Yeah, right.

Posted by: Cemi | Jan 31 2023 12:51 utc | 383

B
An offensive operation such as this isn’t on the table, but what do you think the probability is of western forces going into western Ukraine under some humanitarian pretext to prevent Russian forces taking control? Could Polish forces perform a blocking operation in the Lvov region, and/or the US 101st in Odessa?

Posted by: Walter | Jan 31 2023 13:01 utc | 384

Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri is flying to Russia in the evening to take part in bilateral talks.
Today he met in Cairo with US Secretary of State Blinken.
Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri plans to discuss the situation in Ukraine during his visit to Russia, his office said.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said that talks between Lavrov and Shukri would take place tomorrow.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35496

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 13:08 utc | 385

Walter | Jan 31 2023 13:01 utc | 386
“An offensive operation such as this isn’t on the table, but what do you think the probability is of western forces going into western Ukraine under some humanitarian pretext to prevent Russian forces taking control?”
The Russians will deal with any de jure NATO incursion into the Borderland as compelling them to direct war. (Unless they fold.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 31 2023 13:12 utc | 386

Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 13:08 utc | 387
“Egyptian Foreign Minister Shukri is flying to Russia in the evening to take part in bilateral talks…”
“Egypt’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Sameh Shoukry is set to head to Moscow on Monday evening…The visit comes just a few hours after he met with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who paid a two-day visit to Cairo in the first leg of his Middle East tour…
But that is not all. Israel’s Foreign Minister is on his way to Kiev: Eli Cohen made the announcement during a meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Blinken who said the U.S. expects “to discuss ways to further support Ukraine and the Ukrainian people at this critical time”
So what is going on? Let me suggest one possibility. Egypt agreed to carry some water for Washington and try to sound out the Russians on a possible diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine and Israel agreed to do the same in Kiev. If that is the plan it is a fool’s errand.
Biden and Blinken do not realize that the relationship with Russia is broken. Traditional diplomatic tactics no longer apply. Russia learned, to its chagrin, that agreements with the West can no longer be trusted. Thanks to Macron and Merkle, Putin learned that Minsk I and Minsk II were shams to buy time. Then you have the intemperate talk by Baerbock in Germany, who said that Europe is at war with Russia, and a couple of Polish legislators who talked openly about plundering Russia and breaking it up. Would you be willing to entertain a deal with people making those kind of blatant threats?”

https://sonar21.com/is-russias-offensive-underway-and-is-the-u-s-trying-to-broker-a-deal/
This is an obvious ploy to fool the Russians into suspending their offensive just as it’s getting rolling. We can only be cautiously optimistic that they won’t fall for it.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 31 2023 13:20 utc | 387

b.
“No U.S. ground troops will move into Ukraine. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.”
Nom de guerre poster today somewhere in the ether
“Resource wars, of which this is one, were inevitable.”
The anonymous poster also has a point.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 31 2023 14:00 utc | 388

This is an obvious ploy to fool the Russians into suspending their offensive just as it’s getting rolling. We can only be cautiously optimistic that they won’t fall for it.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 31 2023 13:20 utc | 389

Russia may like it, after all they don’t want Kiev, they’re still heavily outnumbered in Ukr and thanks to bad strategy their losses aren’t small, like it should have been. Russia always said they will negotiate, I’m sure they want to.
Israel isn’t going to suggest any peace, they’re going in for more war against both Russia and Iran. They hope to get Iran to overreact since Ukr announced they’re pleased Iran was attacked. Ukr also demanded Iran’s factories to be bombed a while ago. And a funny fact: when the US missile base was built in Romania many years ago, US said is to protect nato from Iran! I think it’s funny how plans were made to turn Russia or at least Ukr into Syria. The only thing missing now is Israel’s f16s shooting at Russia from Romanian or Polish airspace, flying next to civilian airplanes.

Posted by: rk | Jan 31 2023 14:13 utc | 389

Maybe after the one fella goes to Moscow and the other to Kiev (as discussed in several posts above), they could switch places and express the same desire to the counterparts? And then why not just film it all being it does affect us.
What do you think the likelihood of that is?

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 31 2023 14:20 utc | 390

@389
Russians are suckers for lies that let them believe they are on par with the west whom they idolize, still.
It’s completely transparent that the US wants cease fires only to retool their aggression. So if there’s any agreement it’s because the Russians are betraying themselves not because the lie is so compelling. The barest knowledge of American knows they view cease fires as tactical pauses because they face no strategic threat.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 31 2023 14:24 utc | 391

aristodemos | 289
“The scum on top have their hands on the steering-wheel while we are fast running out of brake-fluid.”
Superlative.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 31 2023 14:27 utc | 392

Posted by: Cemi | Jan 31 2023 12:51 utc | 385

”Russian propagandists use their likely victory in Bakhmut to allege they are winning the war. Of course they don’t. Their casualties are 5-10 times higher than the Ukrainian ones and …”
Yeah, right.

I’ve been finding this meme all over the net and it’s been puzzling me for weeks now. How does the math work?
I figure:
1. Russia is outnumbered 1:10 in Ukraine
2. Propagandists claim Russian casualties at 5-10 times Ukrainian losses.
3. Let’s say Ukraine has 50x ‘batches’ of cannon fodder and Russia has 5x ‘batches’ of cannon fodder.
It’s fair to propose that at some point during the conflict Russia must have eliminated 1x units (resulting in: 50x-1x = 49x remaining Ukrainian units)
So going by the propaganda estimate, Russia lost 5x at minimum – which means total elimination of Russian forces.
My conclusion is that Russian losses of 5x the Ukrainian losses are mathematically impossible given the fact that Russian forces still remain operational in Ukraine.
Losses of 10x are even more mathematically impossible (if such a thing even makes sense)
Following along this train of thought:
Even if Russian losses were equal to Ukrainian losses (1:1), by the time Ukraine has/had lost 10% of their forces the entire Russian force would have been eliminated by now.
Therefore the very fact that a) Russian forces are/were *heavily* outnumbered in Ukraine and b) still operational and capable of capturing territory should indicate that the Russian losses *must* be far below the Ukrainian losses. Not equal to. Not higher than.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 31 2023 14:37 utc | 393

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 10:44 utc | 373
Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 10:56 utc | 374
Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 11:11 utc | 378
Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 11:32 utc | 380
1. False equivalence
2. Strawman arguements
3. Multiple false inferences from what I said
Seriously??
Over & Out

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 14:39 utc | 394

A wee bit of info from Chris Hedges.
One wonders how much longer European citizens will allow their respective governments to keep pumping their hard earned taxes into the failed corrupt Neo-Nazi state of Ukraine, whilst their own economies falter and prices of everything go through the roof.
” Ukraine has suffered nearly 18,000 civilian casualties (6,919 killed and 11,075 injured). It has also seen around 8 percent of its total housing destroyed or damaged and 50 percent of its energy infrastructure directly impacted with frequent power cuts. Ukraine requires at least $3 billion a month in outside support to keep its economy afloat, the International Monetary Fund’s managing director recently said. Nearly 14 million Ukrainians have been displaced — 8 million in Europe and 6 million internally — and up to 18 million people, or 40 percent of Ukraine’s population, will soon require humanitarian assistance. Ukraine’s economy contracted by 35 percent in 2022, and 60 percent of Ukrainians are now poised to live on less than $5.5 a day, according to World Bank estimates. Nine million Ukrainians are without electricity and water.”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/chris-hedges-ukraine-war-went-wrong/283457/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 31 2023 14:40 utc | 395

crimea is to kiev as taiwan is to beijing

Posted by: paddy | Jan 31 2023 14:45 utc | 396

I can’t believe that Slavyangrad Telegram reported this without a sarc tag:

The Bandera General Staff reports that Wagner attack aircraft took the village of Sakko and Vanzetti. There is a cleansing of the village and the expansion of the bridgehead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 14:57 utc | 397

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 14:39 utc | 396
“Your (inference) is wrong!!1!1” is an invalid rebuttal.
Your “argument” consists only of insults, “you’re wrong” and “because 1+1=2 (and presupposes I’m right), you’re obviously wrong to say I’m wrong”.
I gave logical arguments and factual arguments, you only have name-callings.
I know you realize you’ve “over” and want to get “out” of your embrassing self-humiliation, but that doesn’t mean I’m obligated to let it “over and out”.
I have already explained why Indigeneity, not Americanness, is the main problem when talking about the “land” of the outlaw US empire. You still presuppose that your refuted distortions are correct, and then “draw” all sorts of fallacies and insults from them.

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 14:57 utc | 398

paddy @ 14:45 utc
Worst. analogy. EVER.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 31 2023 15:01 utc | 399

Those who speculated above that Egyptian diplomats were relaying American messages to the Russians were correct:
https://sputniknews.com/20230131/lavrov-says-received-certain-message-from-blinken-through-egyptian-foreign-minister-1106855347.html

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 15:03 utc | 400