Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 30, 2023
Size Matters – On A U.S. Ground Intervention In Ukraine

A European financial research company has sent me one of their quarterly research letters. It is a 'contrarian review of political and military ramifications' of the war in Ukraine. It analyzes 'winners and losers' of the war.

It is contrarian only in the sense that it counters the false views of 'western' mainstream media with reality. The losers of the war are all on the 'western' side with the only two winners being the owners of the U.S. defense industry and Russia.

I was sent the courtesy copy because, as the company writes, the discussions at Moon of Alabama were "immensely helpful" in forming their view.

Note to the authors: You are welcome.

I will not quote from the paper as it seems to be a somewhat confidential business product. But I will steal two graphics from it that will help to understand the size of the war in Ukraine and how it will NOT end.

There have been theories that Poland or some U.S. led coalition force would intervene with their troops on the ground in Ukraine to 'kick the Russians out'.

The two graphics though dispel any hope for such an operation.

The following is an operational map of Desert Storm. The U.S. led operation in spring 1991 to kick Iraq out of Kuwait.



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It took the U.S. some nine month to assemble a forces of some 700,000 U.S. and 250,000 allied troops with all their equipment. Iraq had an estimated 650,000 troops in the theater. The U.S. first created total air superiority by destroying Iraq's fighter aircraft and air defense forces. With that done it took only 100 hours of ground operation to destroy a third of the Iraqi forces. The rest of the Iraqi army retreated under fire towards Baghdad.

There are some 550,000 Russian troops in and around Ukraine. A hypothetical operation to 'kick Russia out' would thereby have about the same size as Desert Storm. But the geographic dimensions differ drastically.

The following is an operational map of Desert Storm from above overlaid in scale on the map of Ukraine.


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The map was turned to the left by 90 degree. North is to the left, east at the top and Crimea in the south to the right.

Russia occupies some 87,000 square kilometer of Ukraine. The Desert Storm theater around Kuwait was five times smaller.

A hypothetical U.S. coalition of the size of Desert Storm could probably cross the Dnieper and cut of Crimea. But it could do little more than that. The Donetz and Luhansk oblasts and Crimea itself would still be in Russian hands.

But there are many reasons why no such operation will ever be planned and executed.

  • The U.S. no longer has a force of the size it committed to Desert Storm. Nor do its allies.
  • The U.S. was able to create air superiority in Iraq because it could fly from nearby Saudi airfields and from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. Air superiority in eastern Ukraine could only be achieved with the destruction of long range air-defenses within Russia. The next safe air fields the U.S. could use are in Poland and Romania. No U.S. aircraft carrier will dare to enter the Black Sea. U.S. fighter planes to not have the necessary reach for combat missions in eastern Ukraine. 
  • The Ukrainian rail system is by now a mess. It is incapable of moving a large force from the west into east Ukraine.
  • Any attempt to move a large force through Ukraine would be subject to deep battle interdiction by Russian and Belorussian forces.
  • Iraqi equipment was badly maintained and Iraqi forces were barely trained. Russia has a well trained high tech army.

I could go on but you can certainly see the point.

No U.S. ground troops will move into Ukraine. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.

Comments

The military correspondent, with reference to the commander of the artillery division, spoke about the “weak point” of the M777 howitzer supplied by the Americans to Kyiv
According to the article, US M-777 get destroyed not only by direct hits, but also small fragments or shrapnel flying from indirect hits or even misses. Poorly protected piece.
https://en.topwar.ru/209895-voenkor-sladkov-rasskazal-o-slabom-meste-gaubicy-m777-postavljaemoj-amerikancami-kievu.html

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 30 2023 22:32 utc | 201

Vikichka @ 200

Knowingly or not you almost quoted Frank Zappa

Great quote. Wish I was as terse and poetic. And, could play the shit out of a guitar as Frank.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 22:39 utc | 202

Pete22 | Jan 30 2023 22:24 utc | 199
China and Russia are too far away from the U.S. and allies. The supply lines cannot be effectively maintained. And both are large territories, not to mention human and other resources… Scott Ritter mentioned once that the US withdrew from Vietnam because they could not afford losing 200 soldiers a day. That was the nature of their defeat.

Posted by: Nomad | Jan 30 2023 22:40 utc | 203

@ dan of steele | Jan 30 2023 20:40 utc | 153
Wish could talk about what went down in the Iran-Iraq war, yet, that is even more, far more problematic. 🙁
@ Bill Smith | Jan 30 2023 22:07 utc | 190
What a selfless, positive, informative contribution, as always. You are a relentless f*cking troll. Yet you actually know, absolutely f*cking nothing. Other than your uninformed superficial web searches. Have you even reached your majority ?
Was in Iraq until three years prior …
Then in it as deep as you can get from the moment assigned HQ was raised. Closing in on 80, so maybe my memory ain’t so sharp re phases split. Little else. Though you are a soul who’s intentions are clearly not good. Now FOAD, troll!

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30 2023 22:42 utc | 204

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 30 2023 21:36 utc | 175
~
Gracias.
It makes one think the US projection of power is nothing but confusion and bluster? Thing is if the “rest of the world” is already recognizing this, does that not mean big changes are on the way for the former hegemony formed misbegotten in thinking after WWII?
~
I suspect so, and that is precarious in these uncertain times, so that is why it is good to take pleasure in little things I suppose….like doing a job well even if it is just painting a room.
~
To think that the budget of the US military dwarfs the whole rest of the world, yet the US military is behind the times – that makes one contemplate where all the money went?
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Regards,
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 30 2023 22:47 utc | 205

Moving large militaries requires ships. Russia has said that they are putting torpedo tube launched ultrasonic missles on their extremely quite diesel submarines. Neither a freighter nor aircraft carrier remain operational when a hole is punched from their deck through their beam. How are we supposed to transport a war-sized military force to Ukraine? Our military ships require air dominance to operate. Unless they happen to be near a friendly airforce base, they can’t remain without their aircraft carrier. A single ultrasonic missle taking out an aircraft carrier could cripple an entire attack force.

Posted by: barstool | Jan 30 2023 22:50 utc | 206

For the sake of accuracy, right or wrong, here is a pie-chart of military spending:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#/media/File:Global_Military_Spending.webp
In 2021 supposedly, but if you consider all the funds “off the book”, and funds already been “written off”, I suspect still it is true the US of A spends more money than the rest of the world combined and I ask this as a citizen of said: “What do we have to show for that spending”….cause any tom, dick, jane, or a doe, or even Tom Sawyer would scratch their head and think – where is all the money going?
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 30 2023 22:53 utc | 207

The corrupt ‘west’ lost the war in Ukraine when economic measures against Russia failed. The hope that Putin would back down or that domestic enemies would rise against the Russian government died right there.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 30 2023 22:53 utc | 208

@ barstool | Jan 30 2023 22:50 utc | 208
Reserve Merchant Marine Fleet, sealift, is non-operable, mothballed ships unable to be manned, kaput!
@ Tom_Q_Collinst | Jan 30 2023 22:08 utc | 192
It is a troll. It co-ordinates, interacts & supports other known trolls & regular & popup socks. Even cheerfully casually admitted as such once.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30 2023 22:55 utc | 209

Pete22 @199–
There’s no indication the Outlaw US Empire’s MIC is “upgrading” itself. All MIC memebers are public corporations and as such must have meetings with their ownership about what’s planned that are also public. Here’s an example: Raytheon’s 2022 4th Q Earnings Conference Call Slides that notes the order backlog has greatly expanded but there’re no plans to expand operations to deal with that backlog. Instead, worries are related to labor and supply chains. Raytheon produces the NASAMS that’s supposedly better than the Patriot. The backlog at its Missile and Defense Segment is $34 Billion, and more importantly, its operating profit is down 14%. I would guess the other MIC corps are in similar shape, which is why nothing’s happening fast.
Here’s the same report from Lockheed. I note that share buybacks and dividends combined were almost 8x that of capital investment despite a huge backlog of orders like Raytheon.
Investigating those two is all the time I have now, but I’d expect to find similar reports for the others. Yes, profits are up for the MIC, but there’s no incentive for it to expand production; rather, there’s far more incentive to increase share price via buybacks and dividend disbursements.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2023 23:03 utc | 210

karlof1 @ 194

Indeed, the Outlaw US Empire cannot project power like it once did merely ten years ago with the rapid deployment of such missiles by nations who believe themselves targeted–Iran and North Korea being the two most obvious.

MacGregor a dissident voice but a man proud of his country and military called carriers floating coffins. Granted he was a tank guy and not in the navy. I’m sure the navy thinks the same of tanks, without the floating part.
It always puzzled me greatly why the USA would need 11 carrier groups with I believe two more in the works. Really, think about it. Even super-duper supermen don’t need 13 carriers, even if Mars still had its oceans and we were heading there we wouldn’t need 13 carrier groups.
Initially I figured it was the MIC in neoliberal hyper-grift mode, but actually, they plan on losing them, maybe half, maybe more, but when it’s over and they win as they expect, they will still have 4-5 to rule the waves. Crazy isn’t it!
Took me till recently to catch on, the saber rattling with China was the give away. WW3 unveiling utterly convinces me. Takes a long time and a big investment to build up to 13 carriers groups, WW3 has been long in the planning.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 23:06 utc | 211

The high-end think tank “brains” (such as they are) of US foreign policy and the US military have already filed STOP ORDER reports. That is, a strong recommendation to go this far and no farther without real injury to the Global Chess Board., ie, preparations for a nasty war with China over Taiwan. We’re talking RAND and CSIS. Several German generals, active and retired, have aired similar misgivings. Remains to be seen whether “Biden” and the Liberal NeoCons will pay any attention. There is an air of desperation in Kyiv, in the Baltics/Poland, among German Greenie War fanatics that may indicate they are sniffing a STOP ORDER in the works too, especially now that the Russians are starting to deracinate entrenched Ukie positions in the heart of the Donbas. And the Russian military is still not fully engaged.

Posted by: Posa | Jan 30 2023 23:08 utc | 212

LoveDonbass@182
You make a good point. Ismay’s dictum is often misunderstood.
‘Keeping Germany down’ meant preventing it from attaining its sovereignty again, because a sovereign Germany would never be oriented towards the Atlantic empire and would always be attracted eastwards. Which meant, and means now, that it would tend to align itself with eastern Europe, Russia and China where its role would be welcome and valued rather than becoming the supernumerary that it is in the Atlantic alliance.
‘Keeping America in’ is a simple enough concept: to Ismay and his generation which knew, what has since been forgotten, the enormous efforts the British had to make to wean american society (not FDR but the plain people of Peoria) from it isolationism, its sense of having been betrayed by being dragged into World War One and of having been cheated by the British (!!) over the war debts. Most Americans were determined not to go to war. A few sided with Hitler. Many more followed DeValera’s position of neutrality. Most just did not want another war (central to FDR’s campaign in 1940). And Ismay expected the American people to slowly but surely return to ‘normalcy’ isolation in splendor and leaving Europe to itself. He underestimated the power of the peole who became the Deep State.
As for ‘keeping Russia out’.
Most people believe that he was talking about the need to defend against an aggressive Red Army. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ismay had been to all the wartime conferences. He understood the Soviet longing for peace and the lengths to which Stalin went and was ready to go to inaugurate the era of peaceful co-existence. Anyone who understands post war international relations understands how little the Soviet Union offered, for example, the Chinese communists or the Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Malays, Indonesians or Philippine rebels. Not to mention the Greeks. Even the Yugoslavs were left on their own.
No Ismay was not afraid of a Red tank army- that fantasy was an invention of the anti-communists in the west channeling their NAZI forebears- he was afraid that the electorate in western europe would welcome the Soviet system in, would join with it voluntarily. The Communist parties were the biggest, best organised and most popular parties in europe. Of course they were! They had led the fight against their countries’ occupiers and collaborators for long years before an American or British soldier landed.
That was what NATO was for: to rally the political forces of reaction, from the former fascists to the Vatican behind the patronage of the US and its anglophone satraps. Seventy four years later the mission is unchanged- anti-communism has morphed into russophobia, Stalin has been replaced by the diabolical Putin.
And if Germany and the old Hapsburg empire ever resuscitate Bismark’s dreikaiserbund NATO will, at long last, be finished and eastern europe propelled into a new era of prosperity.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 30 2023 23:11 utc | 213

The troops need air support, hence the planes. The West cannot lose because they have already lost too much.

Posted by: DinoReno | Jan 30 2023 23:13 utc | 214

US mil spending combined with deep looming cuts to social spending including SS and Medicare – arguably the only two Fed govt services most people will actually use, is going to cause serious problems for US war machine deploying a large force in Europe.
The Fed debt is going to bring down the house. The Fed can only buy so many treasuries or retire existing debt before the govt defaults. It would not surprise me if in a few years the US simply abandoned trillions of $ in overseas parked hardware because there is no way to organize their return.

Posted by: MillerJ | Jan 30 2023 23:15 utc | 215

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collinst | Jan 30 2023 22:08 utc | 192
«Rather, I read their commentary as pessimism for Russia’s future plans/stability informed by the history of the USA and its evil deeds of the past. He/she seems to be saying what I think we all know in the back of our minds – the goal isn’t necessarily to destroy Russia, but to force regime change and balkanization of the federation»
That the USA+EU economies and size make them a formidable adversary, and that the goal of the proxy war is regime change and breaking up of the RF, and that the USA strategists are able and persistent has been said very lucidly by Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev themselves. They have a very clear vision that the RF is fighting back against a big hybrid attack.
That does not mean pessimism either way: the RF has smaller but still strong resources and their government is quite lucid as to what the situation is, and because the RF has quite literally the back of the PRC, and the last thing the PRC wants is CIA/DOD base and biolabs on their enormous siberian and kazakh borders, so they will support to the last the RF.
«For now I’m going with “the pessimist” or maybe even “devil’s advocate.” Regardless, I do think it brings something to the conversation because it makes others have to grapple with the negative nancy angle.»
It is not a negative angle, it is a realistic one, again Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev have been very clear that the counter-attack in the Donbas was as last-resort measure to protect both the people of the Donbas and the RF as an independent state. This war is a very serious matter not a football match between the Washington Pirates plus the Kiev Brownshirts against the Moscow Dynamo and Donbas RedStar, as the fanboys of either the Kremlin or the White House seem to think, with their obsessive attention to hearsay details and their bellowing of how great their side it and how much it has scored so far.
In particular that the USA goal is ukranian military victory seems to me quite irrational; they probably think that just as Saddam Hussein stayed in power despite the defeat in the first Iraq War, there is a risk that Putin would survive a mere military defeat, and I guess they prefer a long bloody wearing down of the RF state.
As I wrote before, the big question is how do you defeat a nuclear armed big power? The current american answer seems to be:
* Get that power stuck in a war with a non-nuclear power.
* Make the cost of that war trigger regime change.
According to Brzezinski that was the last thing with which the USA vanquished the USSR. The RF government seems well aware of that goal.

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 23:15 utc | 216

@212 Lockheed, Northrop, Raytheon are all beholden to the government for contracts to stay in business. It’s the ‘free market’ at work. In any other country it would be called socialism. Same goes for carriers….they employ people.

Posted by: dh | Jan 30 2023 23:20 utc | 217

Oblomovka daydream | Jan 30 2023 20:28 utc | 149
Saker salting his website.
Cue: Seinfeld gif: popcorn/that’s-a-shame…
>…Martyanov? Has citizenship?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 30 2023 23:22 utc | 218

America: dare to send the fattest army in history into battle!
not only dare to be fat, but dare to be fat, while in combat. hypersonics…and hypertension. thermobarics and cholesterol.
it’s all probably part of the Julius Caesar levels of strategery from the brain trust of the US. spare me the lean man, right? go into combat with the waistlines you have, right? body positivity, everyone! would they were fatter, right Caesar?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 30 2023 23:30 utc | 219

Of course it is absolutely possible
that they’ll move into Ukranazistan. They’ll be human shields for the nazis just as they are for the jihadi headchoppers at Al Tanf in Syria.
Everyone is making the wholly unwarranted assumption that a NATOstani intervention would be to defeat Russia rather than set up a nazi protectorate in the part of Ukranazistan not under Russia, including at least the Dneiper west bank and, if possible, the entire northern strip right up to Kharkov. You don’t need battle winning force levels for this, you only need human shields.
When that happens, attacking then will be out of the question because NATO will say any attack would be a casus belli for WWIII.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 30 2023 23:30 utc | 220

One thing I haven’t seen discussed much which to me seems rather important:
When this conflict ends, and I’m with Col. Macgregor on that point – it won’t be long – Russia will have roughly 1 million men under arms, at least half with combat experience which no amount of training can substitute for. This represents not only their current fighting potential, but their future leadership and training cadres for the next 20 years.
In addition, they’ve had experience with all the various weapons systems deployed on both sides. This means they’ve had the opportunity to work out the bugs in their own systems and improve them, plus a good understanding of what they’re up against in terms of enemy systems and countermeasures.
Meanwhile, their arms industry has had the opportunity to improve their manufacturing systems, and the civilian sector has learned the necessary steps to transition rapidly to war time production of the materials needed to sustain a major conflict.
Add to this that the last decade of sanctions have taught Russia not to rely on imported materials for their vital needs, but to develop those resources internally while relying only on trusted partners to supply what can’t be procured domestically.
All this adds up to the most formidable military ever seen on Earth, more than capable of defending the motherland, plus projecting power to other theatres which were previously out of reach, either alone or in combination with their allies whose numbers now exceed anything they’ve had in the past.
And we did this. We made all this possible. Was that our intention? If so, what was the point? To recreate the Cold War? If so, it seems to me we’ve just traded places and we’re now the USSR and they’re the free world! If that’s the case, and history does repeat, then I guess the Western nations will soon face what the Warsaw nations and USSR went through in the 80s and 90s. Not a pleasant prospect.

Posted by: ebear | Jan 30 2023 23:31 utc | 221

«In World War II it was a fairly simple process to convert US industrial and manufacturing base to a war footing, but much of this has been outsourced today.»
Much has been outsourced as *a per-cent of GDP*, but in absolute terms it is has stayed constant or increased, consider for example steel production which has been roughly constant (and thus a shrinking per-cent of GDP) from 1940 to 2014:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USGS_Iron-Steel_1900-2014.png
In the 1950s car production in the USA was between 5m and 8m per year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_automobile_industry_in_the_1950s
and in 2021 was around 9m with a sustained peak of around 11m-12m in the more expansionary years 2013-2018:
https://www.bts.gov/content/annual-us-motor-vehicle-production-and-factory-wholesale-sales-thousands-units

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 23:32 utc | 222

osted by: Perimetr | Jan 30 2023 21:21 utc | 169
It has already happened. She has set up her own website, but it is still sort of under the Saker name. Her new site is very good. I have only recently found it.
Actually I think the Saker lost the plot a year ago and I stopped going there. He had some sort of a religion issue early 2022, then was off for ages, then blocked comments, then had cyclone issues etc. His heart is no longer there. Of course like Martenov, he was filled with hubris about a quick Russian victory. Did not happen. Also my reading of the site is that with time, the Saker’s relevance and information s degrading. This is inevitable with former military/intellignece/diplomatic people. Their contacts start to retire and their sources become more remote and less personal and reliable.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 30 2023 23:34 utc | 223

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 30 2023 22:55 utc | 211
«Even cheerfully casually admitted as such once.»
Well, having been found out once, let’s confess again.
«Posted by: Outraged | Jan 3 2023 19:24 utc | 34
«@ Blissex & Kareem
Why are you tag-teaming to fill the thread with spam ?»
Ha! Busted already, you are too intelligent!
“Kareem” is actually my good friend Annalena Baerbock, and I am her manager, Richard Moore. We were having such good fun.
🙂
»

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 23:38 utc | 224

LightYearsFromHome @213–
Several years ago, one of Virginia’s Senators remarked that the newest carrier construction program that Congress had just appropriated monies for is one of the Outlaw US Empire’s primary “jobs program” since although the ship is pieced together in Norfolk, the parts come from all over the nation and overseas. Same with Bernie Sanders jet fighter assembled in Vermont from parts made nationally and elsewhere. Note in my comment @212 that one of Raytheon’s concerns was supply chains. And regarding the MIC budget, that squeaky wheel constantly needs to be oiled. (Compile all defense spending since 1950 and determine what 10% of that is and you’ll learn the minimum amount of oil used.) Kickback corruption’s as American as Apple Pie, which is a feature of Fascism.
As for navies, the last “traditional” naval engagements occurred in WW2. The Malvinas War showed us what naval warfare would look like in the future that’s now–if ship-to-ship missiles are considered the same as naval artillery, then there’s no difference as the ships will shoot at each other, but they’ll be targeting the enemy using aircraft as the opforce will be well beyond the horizon. That’s why Russia continues to extend the range of its naval missiles, now 2-3,000Kms. In/on the ocean, there’s no infantry; fire control over vast tracts of ocean is what “occupies” it. Islands being unsinkable and armed with lots of AD and AS missiles become fortresses until they run out of missiles. Note that neither Hawaii, Guam or Taiwan have their own missile factories.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2023 23:40 utc | 225

@ # 18: In terms of ludicrous, here’s an event scheduled for tomorrow at the EU parliament:
Thank you for the interesting link – ludicrousness seems to be guaranteed. But to be sure – ludicrousness paired with dangerousness to the public in sum means the latter. ESF (European Social Fund) therefore should be considered at once, due to increased danger in any delay being at hand.
Rededication as a booby hatch of this »entity« would mean cost reduction for the EP, thus more budget for partying of those not fully hiphy in Brussels.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 30 2023 23:42 utc | 226

@ LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 23:06 utc | 213
It always puzzled me greatly why the USA would need 11 carrier groups with I believe two more in the works. Really, think about it. Even super-duper supermen don’t need 13 carriers, even if Mars still had its oceans and we were heading there we wouldn’t need 13 carrier groups.
Carriers are very high maintenance. Of the eleven CVNs in the fleet only one is currently at sea. Often they’ll get a couple out.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 30 2023 23:46 utc | 227

ctiger | Jan 30 2023 21:43 utc | 179
>… Ukrainian all-and-any-aged male mobilisation.
When the U$ said it would fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
They meant = fighting would continue until the death of the last Ukrainian.
Memes matter.
Both psychohistorian and aristodemos (and many others here) regularly reference the “collective unconscious” or whatever realm of ultra-reality exists just beyond our awareness.
The U$ is almost out of Ukrainians, and at the same time is looking to declare victory and retreat.
The two *are* correlated.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 30 2023 23:48 utc | 228

No U.S. ground troops will move into Ukraine. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.

The whole situation is ludicrous though. From the standpoint of rational US interests, even in the pursuit of maintaining it’s global hegemony, this whole situation has been wantonly irrational. The rational play as everyone here understands was to make peace with Russia, trying to make it submit would never work like it never worked with Cuba, North Korea or Iran, the Russians saw what the US vision for Russia was in the 90s, hostility can’t affect ‘regime change’, it only strengthens the logic and legitimacy of the current regime. Then with Russia on your side, albeit now exerting influence with Europe from inside the US empire, you can counterbalance China which unlike Russia which has declined as a great power, threatens to become the most powerful country in the world, possibly the most powerful country to ever have existed.
The reason things got to this state is a combination of atavistic ethnic hatred of Russians and the Russian intervention to counter the US/Israeli intervention in Syria, the neocons, who do not care about US national interests (They cheerlead the same neoliberalism that has gutted it’s industrial might and given it to China) but rather Israel’s. Indeed the whole ‘Russiagate’ mood music which has led progressive liberals to become neocons on Russia (They never seemed to be able to answer why they suddenly hated Putin) and which has led both to Biden, the MSM and ordinary middle class liberals being pushed to be more hostile towards Russia but also freaked Putin out and made him even more anxious of how much more hostile the US might act, all culminating into this horrific war; was conjured up when Trump expressed disagreement with US Syria policy and the arming of ISIS.
Given all that, I’m not so sure such a move being a horrible idea will stop it happening, it reminds of the metaphor of ‘holding a wolf by the ears’. The US finds itself holding onto it’s hegemony where the neocons find they now can no longer hold on to it safely (Needing to confront and defeat Russia in Ukraine) nor safely let it go. (Leave Israel without it’s great golem)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/have_the_wolf_by_the_ear

Posted by: Altai | Jan 30 2023 23:51 utc | 229

LightYearsFromHome | Jan 30 2023 23:06 utc | 213
consider: China, perhaps, abandoned its covid policies precisely because there is no foreseeable horizon in which the US attacks China, based on US performance to date, unless war goes nukular, and then covid policy etc. won’t mean a moon cake.
beside, the USG is not the only gov’t that can stage provocations…and which military is, well, to put it mildly, more exposed? “war is the art of deception”, right? thus the F35…seriously, which country is being “caught in its own traps”? no, not the country worshipping Elon Musk, supergenius? that’s unpossible.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jan 30 2023 23:54 utc | 230

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 30 2023 21:18 utc | 168
“The training of “stay behind” “freedom fighters” has been going on for 7 years already”
«As Colonel Douglas Macgregor has pointed out, this is one more very good reason for Russia to go all the way to the borders of Ukraine. Why leave some nazi-infested rump state to be filled with “insurgents” trained by the USSA?»
The premise of that training is that the “freedom fighters” of Azov etc. will be funded, trained and armed from CIA/DOD bases on on the border but inside Poland, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, Georgia, regardless of whether the RF advances to the border or not, and will be untouchable in those bases in NATO countries, as the battalions of the ukrainian army being trained there are currently.
So the only difference that advancing to the borders will make is whether the “freedom fighters” will find RF targets near the border in western Ukraine, or will have to travel further east to find RF targets. They won’t need to travel further if the USA setup CIA/DOD bases in western Ukraine, but those bases will not be untouchable, unlike those across the border inside NATO countries.
So the RF best option may be not to advance to the polish/romanian border, but either to let a rump fascist state exist in western Ukraine, or make that area into a free-fire zone, rather than a strip across the Dniepr. Either way a buffer area would be useful.
My usual quote as to that zone:
http://ww2today.com/1-march-1944-the-red-army-marches-across-ukraine
“The population welcomed us warmly, regardless of how hard it was for them to provide food to soldiers; they always found some nice treats — some villagers boiled chicken, others boiled potatoes and cut lard (soldiers dubbed this kind of catering ‘a grandmother’s ration’). However, such attitudes were common only in the Eastern Ukraine.
As soon as we entered the Western Ukraine, that had passed to the Soviet Union from Poland in 1940, the attitude of the population was quite different — people hid from us in their houses, as they disliked and feared the Muscovites and Kastaps [a disparaging name for Russians in Ukraine – translators comment]. Besides that, those places were Bandera areas, where the nationalistic movement was quite strong.”
Not much has changed in 80 years… History often has long roots and casts long shadows.

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 30 2023 23:55 utc | 231

@ # 19: …
It’s preferred method of controlling other states is to work in the shadows – propaganda and psy ops to turn people against their government, support of extremist factions, manipulation of elections, color revolutions, and sanctions.

As some core of your saying, that is highly considerable for the countries of the Global South. From that point of view, hoping for the New World Order attuning by itself within the next 20 years, their beneficiaries resp. actors (as small nations) neither being watched nor being visible to the Empire and it’s European altar boys, therefore not being required to show up poltically as an entity in the meantime is highly careless.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 30 2023 23:56 utc | 232

dh @219–
Almost correct. Governments but the private sector too depending on the MIC corp. And as noted, many other smaller fish feed the bigger fish. But the question at issue was their expansion to fuel the increasing demand for their products, and on that note the publicly available docs say no, that’s not happening nor is it planned. That begs the question, if China’s the next target, what’s going to be used to wage such a war?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 30 2023 23:59 utc | 233

@235 Times are obviously changing. Aircraft carriers look impressive but the US relies on them to be intimidating. In fact, as a lot of people have pointed out, they have become giant targets.

Posted by: dh | Jan 31 2023 0:04 utc | 234

Posted by: ebear | Jan 30 2023 23:31 utc | 223
«Was that our intention? If so, what was the point? To recreate the Cold War?»
That seems to be exactly the goal: globalization worked for the USA as long as the biggest global economy was the USA one, now that the PRC seems set to become that, the USA elites seem to have decided to “contain” it while it has not yet dominated the global economy.
My guess is that the goal is to “contain” the PRC and a few sympathetic nations behind a new iron curtain, so the USA remain the dominant power in the rest of of the world, with the RF either “contained” behind the new iron curtain together with the PRC (but with roles inverted wrt Cold War 1st edition, now the PRC as the primary and the RF as the secondary), or to regime-change it into an USA vassal right on the borders of the PRC. Standard “domino theory”.
The key event will be the expulsion from the WTO of the PRC, or something similar (like the exit of the USA, EU, most LA and east asian states from the WTO).

Posted by: Blissex | Jan 31 2023 0:05 utc | 235

And as Don Bacon notes @229–lots of R&M is required for all US weapons. Just look at the discussion over the Abrams. And all that R&M drives the overall costs up even further, witness the F-35. You need special vehicles, special tools, specially trained specialists, what during WW2 was called a T-Corporal or T-Sergent, and officers that really know what they’re doing.
If an enlistee’s smart–yes, there’re a few–they’ll pick an MOS that specializes in a specific weapon system then once the hitch is up move to the corporation that manufactured it and earn ten times as much without the risk of getting dragooned into becoming cannon fodder.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 0:11 utc | 236

Biswapriya Purkayast | 222
Entirely possible, unless Russia acts fast now. Go West!
On the other hand, if Russia sticks to the military occupation of the oblasts east of the Dnieper, post-war agreements with the Empire of Lies are as useful as an aeroplane’s horn and whatever is left of Ukranistan will probably, eventually join NAFO. A bleak forecast, indeed. And of course there’s the chance of armageddon, in which case “I tell you, I tell you, I tell you we must die” (Kurt Weill). Am I missing something, barflies?

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 31 2023 0:20 utc | 237

Yeah, it makes no sense for the US to send troops in mass scale into the fight but this has nothing to do with sanity at this point. The new RAND report suggests that the military is realizing that they need to declare victory then leave so they can focus on their nextdisastrous war one with China. However the people running the Ukraine war, especially Nuland and Blinken, are members of a small tribe with a pathological hatred for Russia and Putin. They are going to have a harder time letting go than the military will. We shall see.

Posted by: My Comment | Jan 31 2023 0:24 utc | 238

US Navy currently has desertion and suicide problems.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 0:24 utc | 239

Jan 31 2023 0:11 utc | 238
the gao (23-106375, dec 2022) reported how delay and failing of the f-35 have extended the age and low readiness of the remaining us tactical aviation, and f-35 remains unable to get through operational test to meet legal requirement for full rate production.
the 1000 + already delivered f-35’s are out of spec and need to be refitted. out of service and expensive.
and new engines and radar are also required to make the f-35 work.
none of the old aircraft were/are suitably reliable nor can be restored to adequately service in their best days.
the support tail for f-16, especially from a euro ally who do not spend like the pentagon is huge in the wrong direction.
similar for the super 1970’s spec’ed tanks.
us tactical aviation since 1990’s is expensive disarmament!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 31 2023 0:26 utc | 240

croatian president has clear vision of the debacle playing out in ukraine!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/croatia-s-president-criticizes-tank-deliveries-to-ukraine/ar-AA16TPgM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b344fae136cc408fa3728c4150d4fda0
refreshing!!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 31 2023 0:29 utc | 241

karlof1 | Jan 30 2023 23:59 utc | 235
>… The arms manufacturers don’t signal that they will be expanding production.
The same is true in the US oil and gas industry … right now profits are going into bonuses and buy-backs.
What you are detecting is the uuuughe disconnect between what congress-critters and their controlled media and advisors *think* is possible…. against what is *actually* possible.
I’ll preface my following comment with the disclaimer: “Not All Boomers”:
But Congress-critters are largely the oldest boomers.
They filter the world through boomerish belief in U$ supremacy.
They have no inkling that they themselves destroyed the America they believe is immortal, unassailable and indefatigable.
They hold fast to the thinking: What America wants, America gets.
Recent tours through the RoW by Blinken-idiot, and similarly nondescript nongs with titles, has prompted mild surprise and irritability when they’ve encountered resistance to their charms/bullying/bribes.
They went abroad, looking for enemies to slay, while they themselves were the ones busy destroying America. And doing it in a way no enemy, real or imagined, ever thought possible.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 0:36 utc | 242

Jan 31 2023 0:24 utc | 240
the general in charge of the command training and maintaining us air force deployable tactical air units told his airmen to get to the legal office and make sure their wills are up to date bc they are seeing china in 2025…

Posted by: paddy | Jan 31 2023 0:37 utc | 243

zElensky should open an All You Can Eat Jumbo Golden Corral restaurant in Bakhmut.
The US Gravy Seals would immediately paratroop themselves there and defend that buffet like its Hamburger Hill.

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 31 2023 0:48 utc | 244

This is fascinating and had to link. It sure would prove Surovikin’s foresight, he offered up a porcupine and Ukraine swallowed it whole.
Kherson’s local residents write that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are preparing the city for surrender.
Kherson residents believe that the city will not remain under the control of Ukrainian troops for long. The population feels extremely uncomfortable because of the filtration measures and “mortification.”
The city itself is almost intact, but the settlement is clearly being prepared for surrender. They dug trenches without concrete. “The conscripts are running away, and the residents are not paying utility bills for either water or light,” reports Olga, a local resident.
She also said that men are given summonses right in line for humanitarian aid. Now there is a rotation, and Kherson is flooded with unmotivated and intimidated soldiers.
If these stay, then Kherson won’t have to be stormed. “The Kiev government might send in nationalist reinforcements,” said a local resident.
Whether this is true or not, we will soon find out, but something is already quite obvious: Kherson, left by Russian troops in September, became a notorious suitcase without a handle for the Ukrainian authorities after a brief propaganda triumph. For four months, the occupation authorities have failed to organize normal life in the city. Residents of Kherson are experiencing acute shortages of water, food, heat, and electricity. The situation with garbage collection is simply catastrophic. The occupation authorities not only refuse to act, but have also started redistributing the “garbage” market. Under such conditions, the local junta will have to face the discontent of the population, which may grow into active resistance if it is impossible to continue. Judging by the information coming out of Kherson, such a scenario does not look so speculative, it’s quite real.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31521

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2023 0:53 utc | 245

Somebody mentioned that Amarynth has a website also. Does anybody know the address to her website? I’m sad about losing Saker in a month. Between Moon and Saker I could count on a daily dose of reality, but am happy to read the new site also.

Posted by: Mario F | Jan 31 2023 0:56 utc | 246

I find Andrei Raevsky’s (The Saker) position of choosing to live in the US odd, given his obvious hatred of the place. Then Florida as his chosen place of residence. Bizarre.
Lots of options in Europe for a man of his faith and ideals.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 30 2023 20:54 utc | 162
What does hatred of American imperialism have to do with this land? This land belongs to the indigenous people, not to U.S. imperialism.
Obviously, the availability of other options does not mean that he is obliged to choose other options.
Do you state that Native Americans born in the United States cannot hate American imperialism and still live in the US?

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 1:00 utc | 247

Posted by: Mario F | Jan 31 2023 0:56 utc | 248
https://thesakeris.global/about-us/
Not sure if it will stay at this spot when Saker closes but it is here for now

Posted by: watcher | Jan 31 2023 1:01 utc | 248

It seems that Stoltenberg’s World Ammunition Tour is not going that well. At least he’s accumulating air miles.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 31 2023 1:03 utc | 249

No NATO force is going to push Russia out of anywhere. That is stupidity. Too many people in the West have been watching too much Tom Cruise “war porn movies and reading fake MSM “news” . Get real. Russia will achieve 100% of its SMO objectives, and Russia’s economy is and will continue to grow and prosper.

Posted by: JustTruth | Jan 31 2023 1:07 utc | 250

Melaleuca @244–
The corporate behavior we note isn’t news as it’s been ongoing since the early oughts; Hudson and others have decried it since before the 2007-8 fraud-bubble burst. One culprit is Neoliberal ideology related to turning industries into cash cows. The other is resource depletion combined with Neoliberalism–there’s no incentive to spend billions on exploration for new gas and oil deposits when millions can be had by manipulating stock prices. Note that most nations oil corps are part or completely nationalized, thus they continue to serve the nation’s interest by continuing to explore for prospects. Of course, that’s not the case within the Outlaw US Empire. Eventually when extraction rates reach a critical depletion point and prices skyrocket, there’ll be massive demand that Alaskan areas be opened for exploration. However, there’s zip for infrastructure to support any such ventures and none is planned, a vast difference when compared to Russia’s Arctic exploits.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 1:08 utc | 251

However sense is in very short supply in NATO. Besides their tanks in Ukraine will be sitting ducks as Ukrainian army can’t master the skill the handle them in just a few months. This makes it essential to send US and Polish troops to Ukraine. Polish troops are well trained in the use of their tanks. So don’t be surprised if NATO troops are already in Ukraine fighting Russia. Tactics must change to attrition to increase the cost to NATO until they retract.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 31 2023 1:09 utc | 252

@251 Hopefully he got to enjoy some kimchi.

Posted by: dh | Jan 31 2023 1:11 utc | 253

The west will force Russia to become more draconian and increase public surveillance. The domestic population will not be happy.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 30 2023 16:42 utc | 6
China would be happier.
China is the biggest winner here

Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 1:12 utc | 254

Western business is still sustaining Russia’s war

Western business is still sustaining Russia’s war
A new study carried out jointly by researchers from the IMD Institute, a Swiss management school, and the University of St. Gallen has found that, in spite of the prevailing narrative that the West is pulling back from commerce with Russia, there has in fact only been “a very limited retreat of EU and G7 firms” since the start of the war in late February of last year.
“In effect, many firms headquartered in these nations have resisted pressures from governments, the media, and NGOs to leave Russia since the invasion of Ukraine,” the study, authored by scholars Simon Evenett and Niccolo Pisani, concludes.
The details are damning.
At the time of Putin’s decision to “demilitarize” and “denazify” Ukraine, the report lays out, there were 1,404 EU and G7 companies, with 2,405 subsidiaries, active in Russia. As of late November of 2022, when the study was carried out, only 120 of those companies had divested at least one of their subsidiaries in Russia. That is equivalent to “less than nine percent” of all Western firms, the researchers note. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 1:14 utc | 255

@charles shamey | Jan 30 2023 16:35 utc | 3
Pelosi may be old, but calling the rapacious old bitch a ‘lady’ has to be one of the most egregious abuses ever perpetrated on the English language, akin to calling Trump a gentleman, Biden competent or Boris honest.
My partner has a story about the difference between a lady and a diplomat.

If a diplomat says ‘perhaps’, he means ‘maybe’.
If a diplomat says ‘maybe’, he means ‘no’.
If a diplomat says ‘no’, he’s no diplomat.
For ladies it is the opposite.

Pelosi has not only occupied her life selling herself to the highest bidders, she has sold out everyone else as well. Any whorehouse would be more profitable having her as its manager. There are terms for those in that profession, but “lady” is not among them.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 31 2023 1:19 utc | 256

. . .In the ‘good news’ department. . .
Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services committee, said U.S. military readiness is a “huge problem” as global tensions heighten and the war in Ukraine rages on.
“This is a huge problem. And we don’t have the industrial base. And we don’t have the ability to ramp up that industrial base,” Smith told host Shannon Bream on “FOX News Sunday.” . . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 1:20 utc | 257

Being Norwegian, Glenn Diesen has written a neutral essay that RT published, “Is NATO helping Ukraine to fight Russia or is it using Ukraine to fight Russia?” However, the evidence presented makes it very clear the answer is using, I’d say criminally abusing. Diesen doesn’t go back any further than 2011 for his evidence and could have used the numerous accounts that deal with NATO wanting to incorporate Ukraine since the 1990s (and he could even have gone much further back in time), but what he provides is plenty of proof. IMO, it’s an excellent primer for the unconvinced.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 1:22 utc | 258

As bahkmut does a slow motion death, the narrative of Wagner vs the Russian regular army, wagner vs Mozart. Wagner human waves, walk over their dead, huge enormous losses, and so much more.
And yet Wagner has some gains heading northwest from Soledar. Fascinating. I’m more interested to see the west offering Wagner Ukraine’s money to overthrow Putin.
Pretty sure a hundred billion will cover it.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 31 2023 1:27 utc | 259

There’s no hate in the upper echelons is just business as usual. The under class are the ones taught to hate. John McCain and Lindsey Graham talking to Ukr troops – “2017 will be the year of offence. Your fight is out fight.” And probably thinking ‘suckers’.

Posted by: Inki | Jan 31 2023 1:27 utc | 260

There are already US ground troops [“advisors”] in Ukraine! They have been there since at least 2014 . .
The conflict in Ukraine will likely end in a partition.
What such a partition will look like will be up to decision makers in Kiev.
If they negotiate a settlement now with Russia, a Finland “Winter War” style agreement, Ukraine can hope to preserve at least some Black Sea port access and a coastline, and not end up landlocked again the way they were in the early 1920s. Ukraine can also potentially keep out the expansionist Poles and Hungarians, Romanians if they negotiate a settlement now. They won’t be taking back Crimea or the East or the South. But they can at least maintain Ukrainian sovereignty and independence. Though they will likely have to agree not to join NATO or the EU, and to keep Ukraine neutral.
If the war drags on much longer, it will risk collapsing the Ukrainian state.
At that point, the partition of “the former Ukraine” will be between Russia, Belarus and Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova. A large amount of what is now western Ukraine will likely go back to Poland and Hungary in such a scenario. I hope this is not what will happen. Although the policy makers in Kiev are not exactly competent decision makers.

Posted by: JesusIsJustAlright1 | Jan 31 2023 1:28 utc | 261

. . .the help line. . .
How To Fix a Howitzer: U.S. Offers Help Line to Ukraine Troops

. . . .The nations and the manufacturing companies quickly put together manuals and technical data that can be translated and sent to the Ukrainians. They then set up stocks of spare parts and get them to locations near Ukraine’s borders, where they can be sent to the battlefield.
Just days before Milley visited the base, Ukrainians traveled to the Poland facility for parts. The visit gave U.S. soldiers a chance to meet someone from their chatrooms face-to-face and swap military patches.
“In the next video chat we had he was wearing our patches in his video,” the U.S. soldier said.
The hub for the growing logistical effort is at Lucius D. Clay Kaserne, the U.S. Army base in Wiesbaden, Germany.
There, in cubicles filling an expansive room, the international coalition coordinates the campaign to locate and identify far-flung equipment, weapons and spare parts in other countries that are needed in Ukraine. They then plan out deliveries — by sea, air and ground routes — to border locations where everything is loaded onto trucks or trains and moved to the war zone. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 1:28 utc | 262

dh @ 255

@251 Hopefully he got to enjoy some kimchi.

That stuck up priss definitely takes his own food with him when he travels, in a bunch of tupperwares with numbers on them, and he gets all catty when an aide fucks up the order. Looks like a germaphobe too, brushes his teeth with bottled water and probably only touches doorknobs with tissues.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 31 2023 1:31 utc | 263

Hermit @258–
There’s Lady of the Night, and Lady of Ill-repute, and likely more. But yes, she’s more transexual than female in that women are presumed to be more humane than men, and her and Hillary are far from humane.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 1:35 utc | 264

Re war prospects
The Russians don’t see much bothered by a few more tanks headed to Ukraine, and are not reading much into it. Just plodding on seemingly unflustered. They are after all, used to USA methods in eastern Europe.
Mikhail Sheremet, State Duma deputy from the Crimean region, said that Russia should consider changing the status of the special military operation due to the decision of the United States and Germany to supply tanks to the Ukrainian side. According to the MP, changing the status of the special operation is an opportunity to put the country’s economy on a war footing and use all resources to win.
Colonel Genera Andrey Kartapolov, the head of the State Duma Committee on Defence, said that there was no need to change the status of the special operation in Ukraine.
“Today there is no need for this [to change the status of the special operation]. The Americans used to supply weapons to the Afghans. Did we think back then that we were at war with the United States? No, we didn’t. It is an internal matter of each country what to sell and to whom,”

Posted by: olaf22 | Jan 31 2023 1:37 utc | 265

@paddy181
“100 thousand ton dinosaur”
Methinks in the not too distant future we may see a few of these rusting behemoths that didn’t get Zircon’d or completely obliterated by the latest cluster bomb may be used as floating cities for the poor or maybe a sweet ass location out on the ocean as a rich man’s home and playground replete with personal jets and helos for shopping trips.

Posted by: safe | Jan 31 2023 1:39 utc | 266

Biden says U.S. won’t be providing F-16s to Ukraine

President Joe Biden said Monday that the U.S. won’t be providing F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, appearing to reject a key request from the country as it fends off Russian aggression.
Kyiv has made it clear it would like to have fighter jets such as the F-16s, a hope renewed by the U.S. announcing last week the approval of the transfer of M1 Abrams fighter tanks. Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense minister, told CNBC last week, “We will get F-16s.”
But Mr. Biden threw cold water on that idea Monday. Asked on the White House South Lawn if the U.S. would provide F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, he said, “No.” . . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 1:42 utc | 267

Someone needs to start a thread about Iran! There is a lot that just happened there.

Posted by: JesusIsJustAlright1 | Jan 31 2023 1:43 utc | 268

My only quibble with the main article is continuing to call it “the U.S. defense industry” as if its purpose was defense. As of decades ago, it should be referred to as the U.S. war industry, at least, since its main product and its undisputed result is war.

Posted by: Dalit | Jan 31 2023 1:44 utc | 269

And we did this. We made all this possible. Was that our intention? If so, what was the point? To recreate the Cold War? If so, it seems to me we’ve just traded places and we’re now the USSR and they’re the free world! If that’s the case, and history does repeat, then I guess the Western nations will soon face what the Warsaw nations and USSR went through in the 80s and 90s. Not a pleasant prospect.
Posted by: ebear | Jan 30 2023 23:31 utc | 223

This is exactly what I have seen developing since 2012 when I spent more than four months in China learning the language in a large college with tens of thousands of very enthusiastic students in their 20’s. My room-mate was from Ukraine and I met young people coming from many countries close to China including Belarus.
The aggressive attitude of the US against all those countries and the sanctions have pushed the people of Asia closer together.
I don’t like analogies but i like this one. Flour and water are raw products having no strength by themselves. However the dough that develops as the mass is pounded can be quite strong. That, the US and other Western elites don’t understand. The sanctions were not a productive approach and they didn’t help the US prosper. The US has destrpyed her own industrial basis all by herself over the years. I have seen the decline happening in real time in front of my eyes. The decline was already started in the early 1970’s. Of course came the computers and software and the monopolies and the financial shenanigans that software made possible.
A combined Asian mlitary will defeat any attempt by Europe and America at waging new colonial wars. Thanks to US foreign policy.

Posted by: Richard L | Jan 31 2023 1:45 utc | 270

@265 I have no witty follow-up to that except to wonder why Stoltenberg went on is world tour. Was he really looking for weapons or just trying to show how united the World Community is against Russia. Seems to have been a flop so far.

Posted by: dh | Jan 31 2023 1:46 utc | 271

New Gallup Poll as reported by RT:
“Americans believe the top problem facing the US is its government, a Gallup poll published on Monday revealed. Over a fifth (21%) of poll respondents named poor leadership as the most serious issue, outstripping even inflation, which fell to second place with just 15% of votes.
“In a rare show of bipartisan unity, 24% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, along with 18% of Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents agreed that government incompetence topped the list.”
Ukraine didn’t make the list at all. Note again, the question posed: What do you think is the most important US problem? And that result is up 6% over the most recent poll taken over November-December, which is a 40% rise over @two months.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 31 2023 1:54 utc | 272

@ Hermit | Jan 31 2023 1:19 utc | 258
I’ve always liked the French “En principe, oui,” in English “In principle, yes,” meaning “No.”

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 31 2023 1:55 utc | 273

In response to

Someone needs to start a thread about Iran! There is a lot that just happened there.
Posted by: JesusIsJustAlright1 | Jan 31 2023 1:43 utc | 270

This is a multi-faceted bar and I suggest you head over to the latest MoA Week In Review Open Thread and start a conversation with sharing what you know about what is happening in Iran

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 31 2023 1:57 utc | 274

Blissex is a strategy well known to the Church. It is called “Satan will cite Scripture for his purpose.” Or say ten truths in order to insert one big lie.

Posted by: casca | Jan 31 2023 1:59 utc | 275

olaf22 | Jan 31 2023 1:37 utc | 267
with the field marshal in kiev russia has few worries.
‘Re war prospects
The Russians don’t see much bothered by a few more tanks headed to Ukraine, and are not reading much into it. Just plodding on seemingly unflustered. They are after all, used to USA methods in eastern Europe.’
when i think of usa giving m-1 abrams tanks to ukraine i think of the iraqi m-1 tanks, maintained by us contractors, which several were abandoned in mosul and isis took them but gave up trying to operate them.
us also gave f-16 to iraq….
if us eft iraq tomorrow it would fall like afghanistan.
the turks used leopards in kurdistan/syria, and lost too many and pulled back to use long range fires…..
russian military don’t see us doing any better with ukraine weapons deliveries than iraq and afghanistan.
most of the us and german wunderwaffen abrams, leopard, f-16 will be broken and awaiting parts when the russians capture them.
zelinski wants commission from selling expensive vehicles and airplanes!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 31 2023 2:00 utc | 276

@Dalit | Jan 31 2023 1:44 utc | 271
. . . continuing to call it “the U.S. defense industry” as if its purpose was defense
It’s not defense of the country. The US as global hegemon is defending its world-wide interests by establishing military bases, sailing naval fleets, and conducting endless wars.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 2:07 utc | 277

Nice one, b.
Unfortunately, as Martyanov repeatedly and correctly states, aside from a handful of officers in the Pentagon or maybe the War College, the rest of them are too stupid and uneducated to understand this.
So they’ll try it anyway. And as Martyanov also correctly says, “They will be annihilated.”
Which still begs the question: “What do they do then? Go nuclear?” Or does Russia have to first-strike to prevent this, regardless of what Russian nuclear doctrine says?
Because I would. And as I like to say, I don’t think Putin is dumber than I am. I wouldn’t risk allowing a US first-strike in the hopes that my generals and scientists are right when they say the S-400, S-500, and S-550 will keep them safe. I’m just not that confident in hardware that hasn’t been tested to that level of pressure, not when the stakes are that high. My ass overrides anyone’s assurances.
The only safe enemy is a dead enemy. While NATO proclaims “we need to end Russia for good”, Russia needs to say “we need to end the US for good.”
For me, this is a problem – because I’m in a target city. So it behooves me to get a passport and start pricing what it will cost to fly to Brazil or Argentina on a one-way trip. Because there’s no coming back from what is going to happen, likely within the next two-to-five years (if not sooner).
The alternative is simply the oligarchs and the neocons got’s to go – by any means necessary. Forget elections, forget mass movements, get a gun and start killing them as fast as possible. By my estimate, killing about 2-10,000 people can save the world. A small price to pay to save billions.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 31 2023 2:11 utc | 278

After wading through the first 100 comments to b.’s article I’m left in despair at all the “you don’t know our leaders they’re insane blah blah” from amerikans.
To me as a non-amerikan that strikes as the same type of exceptionalism which launched a kazillion theories after 911.
Back then it was a refusal to accept that “a bunch of camel jockeys living in caves could do that to us”.
Now because even anti-empire amerikans who have been indoctrinated since birth about the might & greatness of amerika do not want to accept that their military is too weak, badly equipped and poorly trained to take on Russia on Russia’s doorstep, these antiwar amerikans are avoiding that issue of their incompetent military by claiming “Oooh I dunno about that our leaders are crazy enough to give it a burl anyhow”.
Rather that than accept that the amerikan military aren’t that crazy they’re just too weak to get shit done.
In other words deflection and avoidance.
p.s. that also applies to the pedants forever ‘correcting’ b.’s spelling or grammar.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 31 2023 2:18 utc | 279

Everyone else is still babbling about, “Poland will invade western Ukraine”, “there’ll be an insurgency because Russia can’t handle the CIA”, blah, blah, blah,
Total fucking bullshit. Later with that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 31 2023 2:19 utc | 280

Mark this day, Jan, 30, 2023.
Today president Biden said “No, US Will Not Provide Ukraine With F-16 Fighter Jets.”
When it’s denied we know it’s done and good to go. Why train UKies on the F-16s?
July 12, 2022 –
House authorizes training for Ukrainian pilots to use US aircraft F-16 fighter jets
LINK
December 28, 2022 – Yahoo
Ukrainian fighter pilot says F-16s planes will unveil our potential, NATO has much to learn from us
January 28, 2023 -Two days ago – Politico
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/28/pentagon-send-f-16s-ukraine-00080045
At the Pentagon, push to send F-16s to Ukraine picks up steam
Kyiv has renewed its request for modern fighters in recent days after the U.S. and Germany approved transferring tanks.

A contingent of military officials is quietly pushing the Pentagon to approve sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine to help the country defend itself from Russian missile and drone attacks, according to three people with knowledge of the discussions.
Ukraine has kept American-made F-16s on its weapons wish list since the Russian invasion last year. But Washington and Kyiv have viewed artillery, armor and ground-based air defense systems as more urgent needs as Ukraine seeks to protect civilian infrastructure and claw back ground occupied by Russian forces.
As Ukraine prepares to launch a new offensive to retake territory in the spring, the campaign inside the Defense Department for fighter jets is gaining momentum, according to a DoD official and two other people involved in the discussions. Those people, along with others interviewed for this story, asked not to be named in order to discuss internal matters.
Spurred in part by the rapid approval of tanks and Patriot air defense systems — which not long ago were off-limits for export to Ukraine — there is renewed optimism in Kyiv that U.S. jets could be next up.[.]

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 31 2023 2:23 utc | 281

@RSH280
Hear, HEAR!! (sound of fist pounding table).

Posted by: safe | Jan 31 2023 2:30 utc | 282

T.Q. Collins @192
You are right about posters needing to make their positions clear. This is war, after all. My contention is that there is a difference, perhaps even a chasm between pessimism and due caution.
So far as this war goes, MoA has to be the world’s #1 medium of information, insights and opinion exchange. From that we can readily deduce that each and every major intel outfit in the world is not only monitoring the site to get an analytical feeling from sources outside of their own agencies. Intel has a second front as well and that is to attempt to conquer the narrative or at least to influence it into what they feel is a “positive” or at least neutral direction. Therefore, there exist a blend of infiltrators and trolls, some blatant, some a bit detectable and others (a few) who are very well trained in psywar techniques at the verbal level.
Again, posters who have been out there in the weeds a bit as to their positions on this conflict do have the responsibility of making their POV as clear as possible, especially if nuanced.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 2:35 utc | 283

poll watch
From 2018 to 2022, trust and confidence in the uniformed services plummeted from 70 percent to 48 percent (it was 45% in 2021), according to the Ronald Reagan Foundation and Institute survey. No other public institution has endured as steep and speedy a fall, the foundation warned. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 2:36 utc | 284

lyfh @293
Well stated. Some of us can discern that mailed fist behind a fraying velvet glove. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 2:38 utc | 285

I think its fair to put forth a hypothetical scenario to the readers here as I would be interested in your responses. Lets imagine that the current situation is changed and its the US that will attack Ukraine, while China, Russia, and Iran are supplying it with money, volunteers, and weapons. Now imagine yourself a part of the US high command and the war hasnt started yet.
How would you conduct the war ?
What tactics would you use ?
What overall grand strategy would you follow ?
What weapons ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 31 2023 2:39 utc | 286

aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 2:35 utc | 285
>… others (a few) who are very well trained in psywar techniques at the verbal level
Yeah. But. We destroyed trollwoda.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 2:41 utc | 287

willow @ 195
True. It’s all going to hell, kaputski, right in front of our eyes. The elite paradigm is rotted out from top down as all those psychopaths and sociopaths are in it for their personal power, ego and interests. Very few even conceptualize the big picture. Basically, there are virtually no generalist leaders. Too many gaugers and con-artists high in the infrastructure of essentially every major institution in the lands, probably the worst here in this ruptured republic.
It’s gonna be a wild ride. The scum on top have their hands on the steering-wheel while we are fast running out of brake-fluid.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 2:44 utc | 288

“……a refusal to accept that “a bunch of camel jockeys living in caves could do that to us”.
Cmon Debs+/
9/11 was a sophisticated internal operation conducted by a networked few.
Camel jumpers in caves was a ridiculous cover story.
Ask. Not how they did it.
Ask WHO did it.
Ask who made money (the insider trading is the tell)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 31 2023 2:44 utc | 289

30 years ago was a long time. Even Iraq 03 was two decades ago, and it didn’t go quite as swimmingly as the media and popular history portray.
The maps and discussion get to something important in the larger context. There’s a particular western delusion that how we do it is always the right way and because of that if we decided to go kick Russia’s ass it would be like fighting Iraq. So Russia, which has made plenty of mistakes and had failures as all militaries do, is incompetent because it didn’t take Kiev in X days or isn’t pushing big arrow offensives. Or, if Ukraine listened or if NATO went in directly it would be over in a few weeks. Even though the US hasn’t fought a war anywhere near this large or of this type in 20-30 years.
Western delusion is wild, man.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 31 2023 2:45 utc | 290

The USA, and therefore, it’s dba, “NATO”, will not engage in offensive operations with a unless it has 3:1 advantage in force. Different combat assets multiply force differently, but basically, DoD already knows how many Russian conscripts and crappy 1960s equipment made by commie slaves that, say, a professionally trained, fully equipped Brigade Combat Team can kill and/or blow up. Then it’s just a matter of how many such BCTs the US can field in whatever time allotted. The US has done these calculations since the 1950s (I’ve participated in several simulations), and they all concluded relatively easy defeat of Soviet troops on the conventional battlefield. US battlefield doctrine is essentially “blitzkrieg as an actuarial science.” Conversely, the Russians still dig trenches and launch catapults (albeit an insanely and peskily and seemingly never-ending volume of catapults). Anyway, the only reason NATO never attacked Russia’s fodder states during the Cold War is because of the nuclear threat. That stalemate still remains today, so I’m not sure what all the posturing is about. Well, maybe it’s about the fact that Fraudulently Implanted Sleepy Creepy Dementia Joe has no idea where the US launch codes are; and instead a bunch of lunatic, cross-dressing, crack-smoking grandchildren of the US Fabian Cartel likely use the codes as chips in games of demented high-stakes poker. These satan-worshippers are devoted to depopulation (aka global genocide). So yeah–long before the US could deploy the 250,000 competent troops and task-organized equipment necessary to wipe 500,000 clumsy potato-headed Russians off the Map of the Middle-of-Nowhere–the nukes would be a-flyin’.

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Jan 31 2023 2:45 utc | 291

perhaps this has been posted?
Andrei is giving up The Saker blog. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 31 2023 2:47 utc | 292

Exile [32]
Fantasy ! U.K. or what Uli call „England“ has maybe 25,000 combat troops Ill-equipped with no munitions. Germany probably little better. France worse.
A large component of German forces is Rujsian-speaking.
Poland and Romania are non-entities
US will need to draft if it wants to fight Russia or China

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 31 2023 2:50 utc | 293

Can someone purchase rk and Neofeudal-whosis a room, so together they can fellate each other instead of screwing up the read-worthiness of these cComments, PUHLEEZE?

Posted by: gary Owen | Jan 31 2023 2:56 utc | 294

It’s like Germany in WW2 or the South in the US Civil War, neither had the industrial strength to match their opponent long term, and yet these took years to resolve with a committed armed forces. On a purely logistical level NATO cannot possibly win this, however they can drag it out.
As the article rightly points out the US has neither the time or resources to mount a truly effective counter, we see Poland madly wasting its finances on its war machine, how long till those Korean and US tanks arrive? They may try something with Poland to lock up the west Ukraine and try and call that a victory, would Russia still push forward? Who knows but Medvedev has indicated Russia is not interested in the west.

Posted by: Organic | Jan 31 2023 3:13 utc | 295

dh@219
An important and oft overlooked point you make: “They employ people”. Is there anyone anywhere near any form of polity in this ruptured republic who can divert the ship of state from ramming into that military spending iceberg? Somehow those employees in those WarDefense Industries will need to be convinced that the companies for whom they work will need to re-direct their production into useful ends.
Currently, America’s infrastructure is living on borrowed time. The electrical power net needs a vast update and overhaul. Roads and bridges, including Interstate ones need upgrading and quite a bit of replacements. My own sister came within a whisker of losing her life on that I-35 span over the Mississippi River several years back. Her car was almost at the lip of the collapsed section. I’m certain that there are many similar cases. FDR did not have many good ideas to get the U.S. out of the Depression. Perhaps the best one was the Works Progress Administration (WPA) where unemployed laborers as well as youth were hired to construct city halls, retaining walls and many other needed public works. The other good one, though intended for toughening up urban youth preparatory to the Pearl Harbor (false flag by provocation of Japan) mania to get the country into WWII was the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC).
The U.S. desperately needs a passenger rail system which would feature 300 MPH bullet trains between major urban centers right across the fruited plain. Utilization of raised-rails or even something more modernistic along Interstate medians in rural parts of the line is almost a no-brainer. Add small passenger lines from smaller feeder cities into those speedster lines would reintegrate a collapsing mass transit system. Those trains would have automobile carriers designated strictly for very small commuter vehicles. Drive on. Drive off. Doable. Club cars for those who wish to socialize instead of staying in those tiny cabs.
Boeing and other aircraft industries would be redirected from producing now redundant domestic airliners. Maybe coast to coast domestic flights would be permitted. Otherwise, fuck those anxiety producing flying beercans.
Question is…will anyone in positions of power be able to grasp those long-term redevelopment of infrastructure concepts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:17 utc | 296

B.P. @222
The U$$A and NATOstan proclaim. Russia decides.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:20 utc | 297

I do not recall in my lifetime where the US acted rationally in similar matters as such that are discussed here. Expect more of the same for a very long time going forward.

Posted by: circumspect | Jan 31 2023 3:23 utc | 298

ebear @223
VERY well stated. Literary grade, Kudos.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 31 2023 3:23 utc | 299

What does hatred of American imperialism have to do with this land? This land belongs to the indigenous people, not to U.S. imperialism.
Do you state that Native Americans born in the United States cannot hate American imperialism and still live in the US?
Posted by: Colin | Jan 31 2023 1:00 utc | 249

Dude, that you cannot see the fallacies in your own logic should be embarrassing. As is the false inference you made from my comment.
Andrei Raevsky is not American, he holds a green card, so comparisons to Americans, indigenous or not are not valid. Plus his criticisms of the US extend far beyond just imperialism.
Dmitri Orlov is a better comparison. He was also a former “guest” of the US but chose to leave rather than compromise his integrity.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 31 2023 3:25 utc | 300