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January 05, 2023

Christmas Cease Fire

Russian patriarch calls for Orthodox Christmas truce in Ukraine - Reuters, Jan 5 2023 - 10:05 UTC

Patriarch Kirill of Moscow, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, called on Thursday for both sides of the war in Ukraine to observe a Christmas truce, a step dismissed by Kyiv as a cynical trap.

Many Orthodox Christians, including those living in Russia and Ukraine, celebrate Christmas on Jan. 6-7.

"I, Kirill, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, appeal to all the parties involved in the internecine conflict to cease fire and establish a Christmas truce from 12:00 on Jan. 6 until 24:00 on Jan. 7 so that Orthodox people can attend services on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day," he said.

A senior aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Mykhailo Podolyak, cast the Russian Orthodox Church as a "war propagandist" that had incited the "mass murder" of Ukrainians and the militarisation of Russia.

"The statement of the Russian Orthodox Church about the 'Christmas Truce' is a cynical trap and an element of propaganda," he said.

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Putin orders 36-hour weekend cease-fire in Ukraine - AP, Jan 5 2023 - 12:32 UTC

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday ordered Moscow’s armed forces to hold a 36-hour cease-fire in Ukraine this weekend for the Russian Orthodox Christmas holiday, the Kremlin said.

The order follows a proposal by the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, earlier in the day, which was dismissed by an official in the Ukrainian presidential office as propaganda.

“Based on the fact that a large number of citizens professing Orthodoxy live in the combat areas, we call on the Ukrainian side to declare a cease-fire and give them the opportunity to attend services on Christmas Eve, as well as on the Day of the Nativity of Christ,” according to Putin’s order, addressed to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and published on the Kremlin’s website.

The Russian troops will stop their attacks and offensive artillery strike during the announced time span.

The Ukrainian military is likely to disregard the cease fire. It will try to use it for local attacks which will run into well prepared defenses.

For most of the front lines this cease fire it will thereby be essentially a non-story. The value of it is in lifting the mood of the people in Russia and in the Russian affiliated areas of Ukraine.

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thanks b... its worth reaching for, in spite of the cynicism so rampant in the world today..

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2023 16:24 utc | 1

Putin is not a military man but a diplomat (ex lawyer). Orthodox Christmas is a big deal in Russia and this is a welcome PR move targeted towards his own citizens. Ukraine will try to make the most militarily out of this unilateral sign of Russian good-will and may use it for another stunt such as the latest in Makeyevka. Other than that this is a non-story in the bigger conflict.

Posted by: NewJerseyJoe | Jan 5 2023 16:34 utc | 2

putin is playing to the religious in russia, any violation of cease fire is good propaganda.

many in christain west prayed for the conversion of russia.

seems the new devotion should be the conversion of the usa!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 5 2023 16:37 utc | 3


The value of it is in lifting the mood of the people in Russia and in the Russian affiliated areas of Ukraine.

The value is for the Ukrainian citizens to celebrate Christmas peacefully and not hearing air-raid sirens. But then, what does the ukronazi regime care about Christmas or Christianity?

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 16:38 utc | 4

Is this latest "goodwill gesture" really good for RU morale? Especially if the hohols use it to launch more attacks on civilians and military barracks. And it comes just as RU starts to build momentum around Bakhmut.

Posted by: Catdog | Jan 5 2023 16:41 utc | 5

They already rejected it, in less than an hour I think. The even mock the idea now. They fell into the trap

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 16:50 utc | 6

This is cynically hilarious (for a lack of a better descriptor)

If they can stop the conflict for Orthodox Christmas, they can stop the conflict. Period.

Just hold a poll among the people in every Oblast, ask them which country they want to belong to, accept the results and move on already.

Oops, that has already been tried. Multiple times. But the western warmongering tapeworms keep calling those polls "sham" referendums.

I understand the deep state a55wipes want their war profits. But is it too much to ask for a vacation, as rhetorical as that sounds?

Who am I kidding? They don't understand vacations.

The deep state bags of carbon masquarading as "humans" are minions of the anti-christ who have no soul, who have nothing else in their life except their politics & control over other people and cannot experience the joys, the sorrows, the laughter of just living life.


Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Jan 5 2023 16:59 utc | 7

Ha! What a great way to get ukie units who are at the edge of functional to go for it and ending up suiciding themselves.
Russian troops are lmao sighted in and ready to send them to Bandarastan.

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 5 2023 17:06 utc | 8

Nice PR move by Putin, and the Ukraine government was nice enough to co-operate and reject his offer immediately.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jan 5 2023 17:07 utc | 9

https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2023/01/05/ukraine-war-day-316-who-is-to-blame-for-makeevka/

according to the article linked in this post the HIMARS attack was enabled by soldiers using (as in: being allowed to use) their cells to call family on new year's. not sure if it's true or just some CYA by higher ups but it sounds feasible as they were supposedly conscripts who might not be used to "OPSEC" or any other "-SEC".

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ua/14-day-weather-trend/khersonska/kherson?from7day=1

(just picked one relevant city but i doubt there will be much variation in the wider area.) a few chilly days and then above zero for a long while. judging from similar weather here in canadia i'd say that means lots of slippery slush+ice and mud.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 5 2023 17:08 utc | 10

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Jan 5 2023 17:07 utc | 9

Yet more proof that Putin is a Ukrainian double agent, and Zelensky is a Russian double agent.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 5 2023 17:09 utc | 11

Either Russia will be blamed for Ukraine’s entirely predictable ceasefire violations in western media or else it will be “he said she said you decide”.
Brace yourself for church bombings for which the Ukronazis will claim “Russia murdering its own citizens to make us look bad”

Posted by: nwwoods | Jan 5 2023 17:13 utc | 12

Any chance Ukrainian forces tell the nazis to go F themselves when ordered to attack Russian positions during the break?

Posted by: Fred | Jan 5 2023 17:18 utc | 13

A Russian Officer's wife speaks.....
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/18403

At a mourning rally in Samara dedicated to Russian fighters killed in Makeyevka, the wife of the commander of the 2nd Guards Red Banner All-Russian Army Andrei Kolotovkin admitted in her speech that for the first time since the beginning of the UAF she addressed her husband and asked him to avenge the Ukrainian Nazis for what they had done:

- The whole West is rallying to destroy us, us and our children, but I assure you our husbands and sons will not allow it... for the inconsolable widows, for the orphans. We will not forgive, and victory will definitely be ours.

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2023 17:19 utc | 14

The cease fire rejection should do wonders for the morale of Ukrainian soldiers at the front lines.

Posted by: First Time Poster | Jan 5 2023 17:19 utc | 15

best thing I've read on this website in a long time.

enjoy the page - very much, and I've never paid a penny for it. But so much Cold War thinking here. I hate the "pussy riot" state dept perverts and war mongers and I also hate this war. finally something for us anti-war readers to sink our teeth into.

Posted by: Patrick Constantine | Jan 5 2023 17:23 utc | 16

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:24 utc | 17

Who gives a shit?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:24 utc | 17

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Obviously you, because you commented on it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2023 17:31 utc | 18

Never underestimate the Russian orthodox Church . Russia is demanding the return of three properties in occupied Jerusalem. Christian churches of all denominations:are routinely vandalised and seized by Zionist fanatics;

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221212-israel-determining-ownership-of-church-in-occupied-jerusalem-claimed-by-russia/

Clerics have complained for many years about being attacked and spat on in the street by 'religious' jews who regard this act as a blessing.

Posted by: Paul GV | Jan 5 2023 17:36 utc | 19

At a mourning rally in Samara dedicated to Russian fighters killed in Makeyevka, the wife of the commander of the 2nd Guards Red Banner All-Russian Army Andrei Kolotovkin admitted in her speech that for the first time since the beginning of the UAF she addressed her husband and asked him to avenge the Ukrainian Nazis for what they had done:

- The whole West is rallying to destroy us, us and our children, but I assure you our husbands and sons will not allow it... for the inconsolable widows, for the orphans. We will not forgive, and victory will definitely be ours.

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2023 17:19 utc | 14

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We're moving further from peace every day. People have long memories for abuse (real or threatened). Trauma cuts deep, even if it is just mention of trauma inflicted on others. Both sides have convinced themselves that this battle is existential, whether that is true or not.

Peace is a wonderful idea. This won't be resolved with an agreement. IMO, it will only be settled when one side has to bend the knee and surrender, explicitly. Does anyone see the the Russian people surrendering? Does anyone see the Neocons surrendering?

This hasn't even started to touch people in the West in painful ways yet. There is a lot of unrest and anxiety yet to come. We're still in the early phases of this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2023 17:37 utc | 20

This has to be read in the context of Ukraine's assault on the Orthodox Church, one of the most robust links holding the Russian peoples together.
As Stephen Karganovic explains in his article at Strategic Culture:

".. The Kiev Nazi junta is taking decisive steps to eradicate every vestige of Russian Orthodox heritage on the territory it still controls. Besides the already outlawed Russian language, religious institutions are also a principal target. Over the last two months, as the regime’s prospects have turned increasingly precarious and survival uncertain, it has been conducting probably the last but also the most painful of its pogroms. Numerous churches and facilities of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church in communion with the Moscow Patriarchy have been stormed by the secret police and priests, monks, and laypeople arrested and harassed. Without even a pretence of legal procedure, parishes belonging to the legitimate Church have been handed over to the unrecognised church entity set up in 2018 for the express purpose of supplanting it, with the connivance of the corrupt and renegade Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinople. Quite naturally, one of the main targets of this persecution is the symbolic Kiev Pechersk Monastery overlooking the capital. It is under the jurisdiction of the canonical church.

"In November, it was searched by the secret police and its abbot, archimandrite Paul, and the monastics were aggressively mistreated on the pretext of looking for evidence of political activity hostile to the regime. The junta then proceeded to draft a law that would ban church entities suspected of having ties with foreign ecclesiastical centres, a measure clearly aimed at the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which is in communion with the Patriarchy of Moscow and commands the loyalty of the majority of the population..."

As most people know the centuries long campaign to de-Russify Ukrainians led to the creation of the bybrid Uniate Church which combines Orthodox rituals with allegiance to Rome. More recently as Karganovic explains there have been attempts, enrolling the assistance of the utterly corrupted Istanbul Patriarchy, to disaffiliate Ukraine's Orthodox from Moscow and set up a NATO aligned body.

Putin, whose background was I believe in the KGB, understands these matters. He also understands that many Ukrainians, particularly those living in the east long for a respite from war after eight years of it. The Americans, British and Canadians are made of sterner stuff-they don't give a shit how many slavs are killed.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2023 17:40 utc | 21

it will only be settled when one side has to bend the knee and surrender, explicitly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2023 17:37 utc | 20

Victory begets hostility: the defeated person lives ill at ease.
Giving up both victory and defeat, the peaceful person lives at ease.

Posted by: David F | Jan 5 2023 17:41 utc | 22

link to Karganovic
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/01/04/the-last-liturgy/

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2023 17:42 utc | 23

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:24 utc

Can you get off the fence for a change and express a firm opinion? ;-)

Posted by: Pete Jones | Jan 5 2023 17:43 utc | 24

Putin is himself religious. I was surprised no-one mentioned that.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2023 17:44 utc | 25

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/27577

Note the African American wounded from Artemovsk.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 5 2023 17:48 utc | 26

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 5 2023 17:31 utc | 18

See, this is the level of logic. Obviously my post referred to my being so totally bored by the notion of a short ceasefire (for religious reasons, to boot) that someone had to suggest I actually do care.

What the comment is really meant to care about is the level of useless and downright ridiculous and meaningless crap being discussed here as if it mattered. Most of the people posting here are so far behind the "curve of binding reality" as to be on the level of Anthony Blinken or Joe Biden or a fucking MSM news host.

I really wish this site allowed me to post my favorite 'Effin' Birds pics that I use on Twitter. Such as this example:

https://effinbirds.tumblr.com/image/161434260982

You know what, I think I'll start posting links to those rather than responding to most posts here.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:48 utc | 27

So many on here and that other blog continue the Russians are winning and their military is superior to no others.
But it seems as long as Russia only uses this so called superior military to defend their mother land it really doesn't matter too much.
The west has all these tricks in their bag. Good example Russia along with others built that pipeline and it was never used and then broken on purpose. How long will Russia accept insult? Too be honest I wonder sometimes if this whole thing surrounding Ukraine isn't some planned conflict as a way for states to transition their economies into next/new phase.
The Christmas truce the only comment I have is for the first time I felt support for Ukraine when they turned it down. Yeah you all say Putin is master this and it's good pr, but seriously, people are loosing their lives. I'd much rather hearing from the president today on Christmas day we will be sending those evil js controlling Ukraine and the west a special extra present to help them see the evil of their ways. I'm a firm beli3ver it's the right thing to d9 if your enemy sticks you strick back twice as hard. Kick 5hem a few times when down a d pray they learned the erorror of their way and tnat then maybe live in peace.
If Russia is so strong then they should use 5heir strength for the good of 5he world.

Posted by: Chuck | Jan 5 2023 17:54 utc | 28


Biden: Putin is "trying to find some oxygen" by offering a 36-hour ceasefire in Ukraine.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 18:00 utc | 29

From what I understand, which I will admit is limited in all aspects of life and especially in regards to religious schisms, a lot of this has to do with the conflict between the Ukrainian and Russian Patriarchates. Those are the organizations that run all things religious, a la the Vatican.
The Ukrainian Patriarchate has allowed for Christmas to now be celebrated on the 25th.

CNN ( I know ) church split

I'm sure the Ukrainian religious leaders aren't at all thinking about the tithes from the converts to the Ukrainian Patriarchate. Fun times must be being had in the Lavra in Kiev right now!

SBU in Lavra

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 5 2023 18:06 utc | 30

Religion is poison
-Mao

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jan 5 2023 18:08 utc | 31

Why don't all religious officials plead for cease-fires in every war on every day? Cat got your tongues?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 5 2023 18:10 utc | 32

By denouncing the Truce, Ukies continue their trend of embracing war instead of efforts to arrive at a settlement a la Minsk 1&2. This very clear behavior ought to be pounced upon by Russian media to spread that exact message so the RoW clearly understands that the Outlaw US Empire/NATO do not want peace unless it's made on its terms without any input by others as we're seeing again in Serbia. IMO, The Empire is blind to that portrayal of itself thanks to decades of hubris and totalitarianism in its international affairs that have resulted in decades of impunity. As bevin noted @21, the Empire doesn't care how many millions it kills to attain its goals, a trait the RoW needs to be reminded of occasionally. And such behavior only serves to validate Russia's admonition that the West is incapable of both negotiating in good faith nor can it be trusted to uphold what it agrees to. The most recent pushback on that front came in response to Italy's proposal as a mediator: "It is obvious that, given the biased position taken by Italy, we cannot consider it either as an 'honest broker' or as a possible guarantor of the peace process."

The current circus in the Empire's Congress is very important as the Rs want someone very radical as Speaker--radical in the sense of being an Ultrahawk towards China, not so much Russia which is curious. And again, the behavior being exposed to the world--it's being shown live on C-SPAN--is very important for it displays the core of evil within and the depravity of those elected to represent people who according to the recent Gallup Poll mostly disagree.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2023 18:10 utc | 33

UKR’s rejection of the “Ceasefire for Russia’s Orthodox Christmas” was anticipated.

Barbaric Nazi mindset. The war will be end on the battlefield.

+ + + + + + + +

Moscow warns of retaliation if Germany goes through with asset seizure


MOSCOW, January 5. /TASS/. The planned seizure of Russian funds and property by Germany for their subsequent transfer to Ukraine may lure other countries into ignoring international law, State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said on Thursday.

"The German government has decided to shift problems created by their predecessors on our country. With this goal in view, they are planning to confiscate Russian assets to help Ukraine rebuild," he wrote on his Telegram channel.

According to Volodin, this decision "would give a start to a process where all countries may ignore international law and seize what they think fit." He said that Germany should remember from its own history "how attempts to infringe on others’ property rights ended."

TASS

Estonia started the queue.


Two reminders for Germany’s Leadership:

1. Locate seize and use without due process. BUT decades later will be repaid with compounding the % interest. See US' seizure of Iranian funds.

2. This move sets a precedent for Poland’s $1.4 trillion demand for WWII war damages; not to be rejected with a shrug. Germany has been paying reparations to descendants of the Chosen.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 5 2023 18:11 utc | 34

After Biden mocked the Christmas ceasefire, Germany is next:

"Russia must completely withdraw its troops from Ukraine, and in this way, this war can be ended at any time.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 18:12 utc | 35

One imagines after the ceasefire expires and Ukraine's violations add up, Russia will lower the boom. The 'boom' is coming regardless and it will be a shot at empire heard around the world.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jan 5 2023 18:12 utc | 36

Big Serge claims the truce is “Physically impossible. There is close quarters fighting underway in places like Soledar that can’t just be halted.” (Kind of makes him sound like a mediator there, like he’s responding in negotiations)

https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1611023919829647360

He also tweets “They’d be crazy not to just take the cheap moral high ground and move on.” In response to a tweet about Ukraine’s rejection of the truce.

https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1611055617350983683

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 5 2023 18:12 utc | 37

"The Ukrainian military is likely to disregard the cease fire. It will try to use it for local attacks which will run into well prepared defenses."

Yes I think that you may be right with the above, the three-days will give Ukrainian forces time to tidy up military matters and implement several strikes in the Donbas or wherever their priorities lie in that aspect. Advertising that you're country is going to take a three-day break from the hostilities isn't in my opinion a particularly good move.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 5 2023 18:14 utc | 38

The Orthodox Christmas ceasefire reinforces the fact that both sides of this conflict share the same religion.... important linkage in the common cultural and history of the two sides...and therefore powerful psychological operation for Ukrainians being increasingly alienated. Prepare for Western narrative to paint it as a Russian weakness...expect diversions and distractions on this holy day for the Russian Orthodox. The HIMARS strike on new years eve was a symbolic decapitation of the Red Banner Second Tank Army. The regular Russian armies operational security is very good...no cell phone radiation alerted NATO to this group...they where stalked and ambushed by NATO surveillance

Posted by: Joe | Jan 5 2023 18:17 utc | 39

It's a good idea, and, frankly, I am glad to see that somebody finally ordered a temporary ceasefire, for whatever reason. And, the Orthodox holiday of Christmas and the Nativity is a pretty good reason.

Posted by: Josh | Jan 5 2023 18:18 utc | 40

Yup Putin is religious. Thats fine with me. God bless everyone.

At least he does not pkay the LGBTQWXYZ BS that the West does. Now male US military officers will be able to wear skirts and high heels to battle and the military has to pay for their sex change operations.

LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 5 2023 18:18 utc | 41

oldhippie @26--

Good catch. I tried zooming in to see if I could read the unit patch on his upper arm or that of the medic, the latter being well exposed. I wonder how many more "brothers" are fighting for what amounts to the KKK?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2023 18:20 utc | 42

@ karlof1 | Jan 5 2023 18:10 utc | 33
re: "The current circus in the Empire's Congress is very important as the Rs want someone very radical as Speaker-. ."

Matt Gaetz R-FL is the chief McCarthy opponent:
"Maybe the right person for the Speaker of the House isn't someone who has sold shares of himself for more than a decade to get it," Gaetz said. "Maybe Jim Jordan is the right person for Speaker of the House because he is not beholden to the lobbyists and special interest that have corrupted this place and corrupted this nation under the leadership of both Republicans and Democrats."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 5 2023 18:20 utc | 43

A one-sided cease-fire is no cease-fire.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 5 2023 18:23 utc | 44

@ laguerre 25

Being granted leave for Christmas won't compel RF to stop fighting Nazis or Great Game Russophobes. It's just paperwork.
Nobody can blame the secular or spiritual authorities for accidents that happen over Christmas. I doubt troops will sit in their barracks waiting for USUKIS satellites to massacre their celebrations.

Neither the Great Gamer proxies , nor the National Racist proxies of the Air Currency empires believe in anything other than the West's financial Zeppelin balloon called Mammon. Equally dismissive are the USUKIS Islamist proxies, who say that Kadyrov is from , sniff, the Sufi tradition , rather than the true glue-sniffers of the Western Rectum.

Whoever defends their country from attack ,from external or internal enemies , from the MIC of Western colonial Greed , will die as a martyr for the message of Jesus pbuh , which was confirmed and clarified by the message of the Qur'an .

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 5 2023 18:25 utc | 45

a three-day break from the hostilities
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 5 2023 18:14 utc | 38

"12:00 on Jan. 6 until 24:00 on Jan. 7" are not three days.

While I do think it is meaningless and will do more harm than any good, like the many useless ceasefire events during the first months of 2022, it does show to Russians that Ukr, US and Germany, and we'll probably see others too, are making fun of them and their religion.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 18:26 utc | 46

Idiots in the West here dont understand that the woke movement is a new religion. If you dont go alomg with their beliefs you will get canceled or worse.

Woke/climate-change/lgbtqwxyz religion is much more dangerous than any religion in the past.

Russia and China and few others see this and are acting accordingly against it.

Hopefully the good guys win and this disgusting new religion is destroyed eventually.

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 5 2023 18:26 utc | 47

Don Bacon @43--

A co-worker of my wife's said watching the voting is akin to watching a Three Stooges show. As such, the debate is proving educational for those bothering to watch.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2023 18:31 utc | 48

Ah yes, more conflict in a region that claims to "believe" in "religion". Living your "religion" doesn't seem to happen much.

Old saying; " Religion", is the greatest purveyor of hate the world has ever known", I'm beginning to believe that's true.

Make up your own, they did. Kindness, Generosity, and tolerance, might be a good start, but then, the challenge would be, as with humanity in general, to actually live the rhetoric we spew...

Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 5 2023 18:31 utc | 49

Russians wanted a ceasefire to regroup and resupply. Very cynical ploy by Putin, which the Ukrainians saw through.

By the way, the most holy day in the Orthodox religion is the Feast of the Day of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, which fell on April 17th last year. Of course the Russians did not offer a ceasefire back then as they believed they possessed the initiative and we're advancing in Donbas.

Perhaps Ukrainians may send some Christmas presents, similar to the ones sent on New Year's Day (00:00 01 January 2023)?

Posted by: Bernd | Jan 5 2023 18:34 utc | 50

Most of the people posting here are so far behind the "curve of binding reality"

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:48 utc | 27

What are you even doing here?

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 18:39 utc | 51

If the Second Tank Army is in the line expect offensive operations soon... probably deep penetration. This was the first Russian Army to enter Berlin and has prestige and premium equipment

Posted by: Joe | Jan 5 2023 18:44 utc | 52

Russians wanted a ceasefire to regroup and resupply.

Posted by: Bernd | Jan 5 2023 18:34 utc | 50

Is this the alternative reality the preach on ZDF today?

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

But some people never learn.

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 18:46 utc | 53

Posted by: Bernd | Jan 5 2023 18:34 utc | 50

Youre desparate to whoop some Russian ass, arent you?

The hate is strong with this one.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 5 2023 18:53 utc | 54

Just in: Germany will deliver Marder tanks plus another patriot system. Also, according to the WELT newspaper, the US will deliver Bradley tanks…

Posted by: Zet | Jan 5 2023 19:01 utc | 55

Ceasefire? The western media will claim that Russia broke their own ceasefire.

Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jan 5 2023 19:14 utc | 56

A Christmas Truce has a century long tradition among civilized states. NATOland shows itself to be barbarous in rejecting a pause.

Tragic

Posted by: Exile | Jan 5 2023 19:15 utc | 57

Zet | Jan 5 2023 19:01 utc | 55

These are not tanks. Bradley is old junk, best movie about that is Pentagon Wars. France is sending some old shit "tank" on wheels too. Don't know about the other, we'll see how fast it explodes. Kornet is good and cheap, won't last longer than the others

The other news is even funnier: "According to the new rules, foreign diplomatic departments must notify Ukrainian conscripts abroad about the start of conscription and facilitate their return home."
So the refugees will be sent home by force.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 19:18 utc | 58

Peace is only the interlude between wars, its not a state only the absence of physical war.

I'm predicting a big missle strike after by Russia. They will pray to the war God now. Their religion has lost its potency.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 5 2023 19:20 utc | 59

Putin is himself religious. I was surprised no-one mentioned that.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2023 17:44 utc | 25

Is he really? Or just a political pragmatist playing up one of the differentiating elements of Russian civilization and culture..

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 19:20 utc | 60

There seems to be a shift in the mood in the west, all of a sudden they decided to double down with the armored vehicles and tanks. Planes are not far behind, and all of it will be go hand in hand with a base in Western Ukraine.

They will talk themselves into a coalition of the willing (occupiers of west Ukraine) within six months.

I think there is an understanding that Russia seems to be unwilling to escalate, and therefore the boundararies of the possible have shifted.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 5 2023 19:24 utc | 61

Well I hope there will not be any large gatherings for Christmas services within the war zone, civilian or military as these will be obvious nato targets.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 5 2023 19:34 utc | 62

Planes are not far behind, and all of it will be go hand in hand with a base in Western Ukraine.


Posted by: Boo | Jan 5 2023 19:24 utc | 61

I disagree. In an era of hypersonic missiles, inexpensive drones and competent anti-aircraft defense, planes are becoming obsolete. Past their best before date, like cavalry.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 19:34 utc | 63

Boo @ 61; Nice take, very very possible.

Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 5 2023 19:35 utc | 64

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 18:39 utc | 51

Good question.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 19:41 utc | 65

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 19:20 utc | 60

No, he genuinely is religious, probably part of his conservative Russian religious nationalism. But it's certainly a factor which played a role in the decision for the move.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2023 19:41 utc | 66

There seems to be a shift in the mood in the west, all of a sudden they decided to double down with the armored vehicles and tanks. Planes are not far behind, and all of it will be go hand in hand with a base in Western Ukraine.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 5 2023 19:24 utc | 61

No shift in mood. They just ran out of soviet hardware to send. Wait for the day they give them aircraft carriers.

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 19:42 utc | 67

This is only 36 hour cessation of offensive operations....it's purely symbolic....enough time to do some laundry or make a fire and heat up some rations in a canteen cup in a trench somewhere and get drunk. During the early years of the first world war a Christmas unofficial cease fire and it terrified the generals....it is a powerful psychological gesture. Russian equipment is designed to war fight in its own terrain and as such will be effective in all conditions on the front

Posted by: Joe | Jan 5 2023 19:49 utc | 68

Posted by: Boo | Jan 5 2023 19:24 utc | 61

Tend to agree with the idea of a "coalition of the willing" led by the Poles... If that happens, WW3 will officially kick off. Certain that the US, Britain, are doing as much arm twisting as possible to get heavy weapons sent as their only solution is more of the same that didn't work....

Posted by: ctiger | Jan 5 2023 19:51 utc | 69

@67 - Maybe the aircraft carriers will be one of next year's Hannukkah gifts for Zelenski from HATO after the RF takes Odessa. I wonder if the Kokaine Kapo from Kiev will still be around to receive it? I love you virginity metaphor from comment 53. I will give you a hat tip every time I use it!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 5 2023 19:51 utc | 70

At this point why not assassinate Zelenskyy and Klitcho? Get rid of two elements of the Kiev Sanhedrin.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Jan 5 2023 19:55 utc | 71

No, he genuinely is religious, probably part of his conservative Russian religious nationalism. But it's certainly a factor which played a role in the decision for the move.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2023 19:41 utc | 66

You know this how? Because he goes to church 2-3x a year and lights a candle? I was married to a Catholic and used to do that too.

Recall that one of his grandmothers was Jewish. I would wager that if anyone was allowed to scratch deeper than the surface, Putin would be exposed as more spiritual than religious.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 19:59 utc | 72

The value is for the Ukrainian citizens to celebrate Christmas peacefully and not hearing air-raid sirens. But then, what does the ukronazi regime care about Christmas or Christianity?

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 5 2023 16:38 utc | 4
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As far as I know, the Break away (formally Russian Orthodox) Ukraine Orthodox Church still recognize the same Christmas calendar. The further west you go in Ukraine, the more Catholic the population becomes, and the more Nazified the population becomes. I agree with you that the Nazis will not respect a Russian Orthodox Christmas.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 5 2023 20:00 utc | 73

@ Don Bacon 43

Having lost vote No: 8, You'd think McCarthy would hear the whistle and see the red flag.

Wearing the UKR flag, not one to recognize his war is lost. The more they vote, the more votes lost. You can't be courting votes and call those you are courting "terrorists."

"People do not like McCarthy. He is an extreme shill for the Ukraine.
He is everything everyone hates. He’s a shill for big business, for war business; his policies effectively make him a Democrat.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 5 2023 20:06 utc | 74

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 17:24 utc | 17

Who gives a shit?

If you don't understand why religion is a factor in this conflict then you're grasping only part of the explanation. There are millions of Ukrainians (but this could be said across the globe mutatis mutandis) for whom patriotism to an entity created 'only yesterday' (paraphrasing Herodotus) comes a long poor second behind faith and loyalty to the Orthodox Church. This gesture is a clever move by Putin: it is a reminder at Christmas that the President is an Orthodox champion; it clearly defines which side stands with God and which with the forces of darkness (woke Nazis); Podolyak's response will undermine morale at the front where carols sung by Russian choirs will cause many UA soldiers to question who the real enemy is; it is play for ethnic and religious unity between Kiev and Moscow which Putin knows will powerfully erode paper-thin political identity, etc etc. The politics of religion is therefore something to watch here very carefully and b is right to raise it.

That being said, the difference between the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (under the Moscow Patriarchate from 1686)—still important to 6% of the Ukr. pop.—and the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (declared autocephalous in 2018, not recognised by Moscow, ~78% of all Ukr. pop.) is crucial—even if it reminds you of the difference between the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front from Life of Brian.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 5 2023 20:07 utc | 75

Kiev will use the Russian ceasefire try to seize a few more feet or worthless no man's land near Bakhmut.

Posted by: Monos | Jan 5 2023 20:08 utc | 76

Look at this. Retards from US just noticed they fell into a trap by rejecting in public a ceasefire and are trying to fix it: "Washington does not have much confidence in Christmas truce announced by Russia - US State Department"

So basically they're thinking now to attack something and claim Russia did it. See? The longer the puppets live, the more problems they make.

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 20:13 utc | 77

Addendum to #75

It should be added that the role of language in ethnicity is activated and catalysed by religion. No one would underestimate the role of vernaculars in the history of the Reformation: Luther's translation of the Bible into German did more damage to the Church at the time even if it took another 500 years before Latin would be abandoned by the Church itself as the language of liturgy. For many languages translation of the Bible filled a vacuum of literate tradition, Slavonic Bibles in particular. I would guess that the rise and local prominence of Ukrainian as a language prior to the 20th century is inextricable from its prestige within Ukrainian Orthodoxy as a liturgical language. Imagine speaking Russian or Polish as a lingua franca every day but hearing your ethnic tongue spoken with great solemnity as the ritual language of liturgy and the word of God? There's your entanglement between religion and ethnicity (and its hatreds). When the Church in France adopted French for Masses in the '60s there were church boycotts by the faithful in the countryside. And who can forget the Middle East (Sunni vs Shia), Ireland, the former Yugoslavia, India, Myanmar...

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 5 2023 20:23 utc | 78

Posted by: rk | Jan 5 2023 19:18 utc | 58

France and USA both sending "light tanks" i.e. vehicles with paper armor. They clearly have something in mind. Just try out anything, new offensive, or whatever.

One thing that's known for a fact that USA doesn't send their Abrams tanks because they can't be supported in central and eastern Ukraine. They're one hit wonders, when they run out of gas, that's it.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 5 2023 20:30 utc | 79

This will show the "religious world" just how disrespectful the Ukes are of peoples right to worship. Kiev loses whatever it does -whether its inside Ukraine, in Russia or throughout the world.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 5 2023 20:35 utc | 80

@ 75

"declared autocephalous in 2018, not recognised by Moscow, ~78% of all Ukr. pop."


Dream on. You have your stats switched, but they probably come from the Ukie gov.

Posted by: me | Jan 5 2023 20:36 utc | 81

I suspect the main audience for this announced ceasefire is Russias friends in the global south who will take it as evidence that Russia is reasonable, willing to negotiate an end to the war and humane in it's actions.

China and India will be able to use this as cover for their policy of "non-alignment".

If there is some tactical cost to Russia by giving the AFU a break it will be minimal. Russian recon will continue to operate. Target lists will be updated for post holiday tasking. If Ukraine attacks during the ceasefire, it will be further evidence to the non-aligned world regarding who is responsible for this war.

War is misery and cruel death. The task of a soldier is to learn all he can and apply lessons toward his and his units survival. Despite your best efforts, you and your comrades may die. Thats the nature of the dirty business and all you can do is move on with determination...or give up.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Jan 5 2023 20:39 utc | 82

France and USA both sending "light tanks" i.e. vehicles with paper armor. They clearly have something in mind. Just try out anything, new offensive, or whatever.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 5 2023 20:30 utc | 79

Tanks are too big and slow for modern warfare. They are only good for shooting at other tanks and slow moving vehicles.

They are being sent to Ukraine for recycling. All the indoor storage space used for them can then be freed up and leased for Amazon Warehouses. It is good time to be in the scrap metal recycling business in Ukraine.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 20:41 utc | 83

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 5 2023 20:30 utc | 79
Everybody is getting rid of their old stuff. Which will be mostly replaced by stuff bought from the US. Pelosi and the MIC is loving this war... As they used to say in the 60's "war is good for business, invest your son"

Posted by: ctiger | Jan 5 2023 20:44 utc | 84

Perhaps Ukrainians may send some Christmas presents, similar to the ones sent on New Year's Day (00:00 01 January 2023)?

Posted by: Bernd | Jan 5 2023 18:34 utc | 50

Mr Bernd. That may be the case. But this time don't produce postage stamps for opportunity photos like you did with Crimea bridge which backfired terribly in your faces didn't it. How many days of missile strikes did that sill act cost you?

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 5 2023 20:45 utc | 85

The Russian forces still do not have a communication system on the front lines. Each unit is completely isolated from the other and inside each unit there is no mean of communication between the subunits. It is a gigantic problem that has not been solved in 10 months.
In other words the Russians are fighting visually and at best with short range optoelectronic devices.
They have no integrated theater management system in wartime. This is their main weakness.
NATO use of Starlink give it the big picture whereas the Russian forces can only see the hitpoints assigned to each unit's fire.

Do not expect any meaningful Russian offensive until this is solved.

Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Jan 5 2023 20:47 utc | 86

Weeb Union concise and detail report on the liberation of Solidar and Bakhmut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-vkFL5rCJo

A worthwhile ten minute view. Perhaps there will be a ceasefire for the Russians as the Ukrainins flee for their lives and are then gunned down by their nazi rearguard.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2023 20:56 utc | 87

I suspect (but don't claim to know) that Mr. Putin is more of a pragmatist than a true believer when it comes to religion. Reminds me of the emperor Constantine in this respect. People complain that he wasn't sincere, but so what? His support of the Christians eventually allowed them to call the shots in the Empire. Yes, they immediately started persecuting the people who had been persecuting them, but again, so what? That's the way the world works, and it's better to be a screwer than a screwee.

Posted by: G. Poulin | Jan 5 2023 20:57 utc | 88

@Opport Knocks

You're right that (most) planes are obsolete. That's precisely why they will be dumped in Ukraine. I'm sure that the US has a lot of airframes at the end of their lifespan that can be crewed by a Ukrainian meat popsicle given enough time and training.

They will push this thing as close to WW3 as possible. They can afford to, because the goal is not for Ukraine to win, it's to drain Russia. That goal is much more achievable. War is an expensive business, and while the Russian MIC is impressive, even they have limits to the number of rockets, RPGs, MANPADs, tanks etc. that they can produce within a certain timeframe. There is a threshold past which Russia alone (i. e. without China) will suffer greatly to keep this war going and the West will shower them with mothballed junk until we're there.

People here don't want to believe it, but they aren't thinking clearly. The West knows Russia won't invade Europe. Much of what is in the European arsenals and even in the US is unsuitable for the coming war with China. Its basically rotting along with the European parade armies. They fundamentally don't need it nearly as much as Russia needs its gear intact. The gear that's getting spent with each passing day.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 5 2023 21:05 utc | 89

unimperator | Jan 5 2023 20:30 utc | 79

According to the Ukraine channels, They are puting aside men and materials for an offensive when the ground freezes. The French and US additions of light armor are probably part of that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 5 2023 21:06 utc | 90

Posted by: me | Jan 5 2023 20:36 utc | 81

Could very well be wrong, or only referring to a certain part of the Uk. pop. They're not my statistics. But the rest of my post doesn't depend on it.

In the meantime: 'dream on'? What are you, 9 yrs old? Try not to be a dismissive asshole and conduct a polite exchange of ideas and views. Happy to acknowledge any civil refutation.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 5 2023 21:07 utc | 91

marder "tank" is a tracked ifv fitted with a 105mm gun, weighs 43 tons there may be some bridges in ukraine it can drive across.

bradley is a tracked ifv specified to accompany the abrams tanks where it might be vulneraable to infantry 1970's era light antitank weapons..... it too may be able to cross a few bridges in ukraine.

the amount of fuel and the repair burden on both vehicles could limit their use,

both use nato std ammunition.

logistics seems to be an after thought on all these fine sounding gifts, bradley proly has a line of 'contractors' waiting to go to ukraine.

the germans allegedly will send a patriot battery with the us' gift.

Posted by: paddy | Jan 5 2023 21:12 utc | 92

Cogent but misses the point.....
By denouncing the Truce, Ukies continue their trend of embracing war instead of efforts to arrive at a settlement a la Minsk 1&2. This very clear behavior ought to be pounced upon by Russian media to spread that exact message so the RoW clearly understands that the Outlaw US Empire/NATO do not want peace unless it's made on its terms without any input by others as we're seeing again in Serbia. IMO, The Empire is blind to that portrayal of itself thanks to decades of hubris and totalitarianism in its international affairs that have resulted in decades of impunity. As bevin noted @21, the Empire doesn't care how many millions it kills to attain its goals, a trait the RoW needs to be reminded of occasionally. And such behavior only serves to validate Russia's admonition that the West is incapable of both negotiating in good faith nor can it be trusted to uphold what it agrees to.

Closer to the point....
I suspect the main audience for this announced ceasefire is Russias friends in the global south who will take it as evidence that Russia is reasonable, willing to negotiate an end to the war and humane in it's actions.

China and India will be able to use this as cover for their policy of "non-alignment".

Gets it....!!
If you don't understand why religion is a factor in this conflict then you're grasping only part of the explanation. There are millions of Ukrainians (but this could be said across the globe mutatis mutandis) for whom patriotism to an entity created 'only yesterday' (paraphrasing Herodotus) comes a long poor second behind faith and loyalty to the Orthodox Church. This gesture is a clever move by Putin: it is a reminder at Christmas that the President is an Orthodox champion; it clearly defines which side stands with God and which with the forces of darkness (woke Nazis); Podolyak's response will undermine morale at the front where carols sung by Russian choirs will cause many UA soldiers to question who the real enemy is; it is play for ethnic and religious unity between Kiev and Moscow which Putin knows will powerfully erode paper-thin political identity, etc etc. The politics of religion is therefore something to watch here very carefully and b is right to raise it.

The Russians must de-Nazify Ukraine... One way is to appeal to the believers.... To remind them that they and the Russians are one.... people.... To wake them up from the effects of the "kool-aid" they have been fed these many years...

AND....

NATO's response confirms them as "heathen"...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 5 2023 21:12 utc | 93

"The current circus in the Empire's Congress is very important as the Rs want someone very radical as Speaker--radical in the sense of being an Ultrahawk towards China, not so much Russia which is curious. And again, the behavior being exposed to the world--it's being shown live on C-SPAN--is very important for it displays the core of evil within and the depravity of those elected to represent people who according to the recent Gallup Poll mostly disagree."

karlof1 | Jan 5 2023 18:10 utc | 33
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Circus indeed: democracy theater-of-the-absurd presents a breathless audience with an epic high-stakes contest ... of utterly false choices. Who is the greatest warmonger of all and which is the next enemy-du-jour that must vanquished first in the coliseum of perpetual war? No bread, only a circus of depravity.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 5 2023 21:13 utc | 94

"Bakhmut is worthless. Yet we are losing 400 men daily to defend this craphole"

LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 5 2023 21:14 utc | 95

The best thing Zelensky and his gang can do now for Russia and its cause is to completely disregard the ceasefire and deny their largely Orthodox forces the welcome pause. And I bet Zelensky (Jewish) and his gang (many of the top dogs are from oblasts with a Catholic majority) will do just that.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 5 2023 21:16 utc | 96

You know this how?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 5 2023 19:59 utc | 72

Ridiculous. It's quite often mentioned in pieces about. You're just contesting for the sake of contesting, and because you don't think religion ever plays a role in people's behaviour.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 5 2023 21:18 utc | 97

@ 88
Speaking of "true believers" --
Bush-43, born again in 1985, reportedly told an Amish group in Pennsylvania: "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." After 9-11, Bush said: ""This call of history has come to the right country. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity.' Then came Operation Iraqi Freedom which destroyed much of Iraq and its people. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 5 2023 21:18 utc | 98

Patroklos | Jan 5 2023 20:07 utc | 75

The recent destruction of the orthodox Ukrainian church is causing a lot of discontent among orthodox troops, for some enough to consider if they are fighting the right enemy. This is likely to cause a lot of problem for Ukraine's current political circle which seem to profess Galician ideology - I believe Galicia and perhaps Volyn are more Catholic than orthodox.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 5 2023 21:20 utc | 99

Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Jan 5 2023 20:47 utc | 86

Complete bullshit.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 5 2023 21:28 utc | 100

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