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December 23, 2022
What In Zelenski’s “Epic Piece Of Theater” Was “Daring” And “Bold”?

"Daring"?

Zelensky’s Weapons Wish List Goes Mostly Unfulfilled on Trip to WashingtonNew York Times – Dec 22, 2022

After his daring 10-hour dash to the nation’s capital on Wednesday, Mr. Zelensky left with nearly $2 billion in new arms and equipment — as well as a likely commitment from Congress for nearly $50 billion in additional aid next year.

What please is "daring" in taking an armored car ride from Kiev to Poland to jump onto a U.S. military plane for a non-stop flight to Washington DC?

Likewise "bold":

Zelensky’s role on the Washington stage is Ukrainian fighterWashington Post – Dec 21, 2022

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s bold Wednesday visit to Washington is an epic piece of theater designed to motivate multiple audiences — in the United States, Europe, Russia and Ukraine itself. The message is simple: With its own bravery in battle and the world’s help, Ukraine will prevail.

Baloney.

Larry reminds us of a similar visit 65 years ago that looked great (vid) but had an unhappy ending:

By the time of the coup, there were 12,000 advisers in Vietnam, but those who knew Diem best feel that neither he nor Nhu would ever have invited or allowed 550,000 American soldiers to fight in their country, and to permit the devastation caused by air attacks, including bombing and defoliation. There is evidence that shortly before the coup took place—and for several months afterward—the first tentative efforts were initiated both by the Saigon Government and the National Liberation Front to come to some sort of accommodation.

The coup against Diem had of course been arranged by the U.S. government:

The Pentagon's, secret study of the Vietnam war discloses that President Kennedy knew and approved of plans for the military coup d'état that over threw President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963.

“Our complicity in his overthrow heightened our responsibilities and our commitment” in Vietnam, the study finds.

Back in April, when Boris Johnson made it clear to Zelenski that the U.S. would not support any peace agreement with Russia, he may well have thought of Diem's fate. He decided to ditch the ongoing negotiations and to commit his country to the suicidal quest of beating the Russian army.

Accordingly Zelenski's "epic piece of theater" was "designed" to keep him alive and to fill his bank account plus those of the owners of the U.S. war industry.

Everything else be damned.

Comments

According to Voltairenet the last representation had as a goal on the part of Biden and Zelensky the getting from US Congress approved the request of delcaring Russia “agressor state”, which would equate the declaration of war by the US on Russia, but they were not succesful since Congress declined it.
It seems that Zelensky came also with a”10 points peace plan” redacted by former NATO secretary Anders Fogh Rasmussen, which represent a hard-line stance against Russia in the line of the Kyiv Security Kompact ( link to this document included in the article…).
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218561.html
It seems all the way this is an existential war, not only for Russia, but also for NATO…as a military offensive organization.
It is clear they can not backpedal…. nor have any intention to do it, and with the current weak leadership in most of EU countries, there seem to not be any countering political force with the courage necessary to constrain this caste living out of war and arms trade, and go to know what other trade too, as we know they use to live thei by their partners in the anglo-saxon intelligence agencies.
It is obvious to me this caste of current and former NATO heads will want to fight to the last European whatever the price and consequences…
The representatives of the US people gave them a “NO”, but the people´s of Europe have no honest representative whatsoever, and in Europe the harsh censure will avoid the information about this reaching the masses.
Have been these same people those who perpetrated the sabotage of the NS pipelines?
Seeing how they lost their sleep to keep this war on, I would bet the little finger of my left foot that that was the case, since it happened in front of their very noses…..

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 24 2022 0:26 utc | 201

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 0:11 utc | 198
when 6 times as many shells are falling on one side’s positions, that is disproportionate yes. one side is getting eviscerated, one isn’t. you just seem interested in ignoring that fact.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 0:49 utc | 202

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 23:23 utc | 179
the point is you’re wrong, and your concern is fake. get it? feel free to pretend to ignore me when i point out how absurd your arguments and points are, I’ve seen hundreds of your ilk, maybe i’ve seen you before under another name.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 0:53 utc | 203

In response to the comments about the unsuitability of operating Abrahams tanks in Ukraine, here is a convenient aggregation of calculated ground pressures of various tanks:
https://www.mathscinotes.com/2016/06/tank-track-ground-pressure-examples/
The Abrams has about 10% to 20% more ground pressure than Russian tanks. It would be at a disadvantage but not egregiously so.
More problematic would be the gross tonnage crossing bridges. However; the Abrahams is longer than Russian tanks with a longer track contact length. Traffic control to keep the Abrahams tanks spaced apart when crossing bridges would alleviate that problem.
The biggest problem would be the logistical limitations of operating European gauge locomotives and railroad cars on Ukrainian/Russian gauge railroads. Ukraine doesn’t have the roads to support the logistics of American forces.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Dec 24 2022 0:54 utc | 204

What I haven’t read mentioned is that the US House of Representatives is changing from blue to red next year and the red folks don’t support the Ukraine money bleed….and so this is last chance for “easy money”
The red folks tilt against China and the blue folks tilt against Russia.
But both red and blue are owned by the global money mafia and we are into an existential civilization war about the global money mafia so who knows what shit will come down.
What also needs to be mentioned is that if Putin is offed, it is not just the lackey military that will be attacked, it will be the global money mafia which I expect both Russia and China to know and track

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 24 2022 0:57 utc | 205

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 24 2022 0:26 utc | 200
“with the current weak leadership in most of EU countries, there seem to not be any countering political force with the courage necessary to constrain this caste”
So your point is that with a strong leadership, there would naturally be a countering political force with the courage necessary to constrain this caste? And examples would naturally be Russia, China, North Korea etc?
I dearly wish you to supply more arguments for your view, or tell me if I misunderstood.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 24 2022 1:04 utc | 206

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 24 2022 0:57 utc | 204
I don’t know how genuine that republican opposition is, they both annually vote to give the Pentagon even more money than asked for. it’s like the democrats pretended to opposed the Iraq War, and claimed they were tricked by Bush. like you say, both are owned by the same people.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 1:04 utc | 207

@micron 119
How much experience at manufacturing have you had, even though your name is measure used in industry, micron I have to ask to what does this relate too. I am an engineer from engineering factory work, in the 70’s in the north of England we had lathes from the Second World War with plates on them saying property of the US government lend lease. Modern production needs modern machines dedicated to a certain task, automated production lines, I have built these from scratch doesn’t happen overnight. This is not done by just throwing a few people on lathes and milling machines, to product the 50,000 shells a day the Russians are firing you need automation and lots of it, doesn’t grow on trees and you can’t just print it like the US does it fake money. The robber barons of the MIC will not invest millions in building production lines unless they have guaranteed sales for many years on, will even the US afford what they produce. the US defence budget looks enormous but Russia and Chine get multiples more for every dollar their MIC doesn’t have greedy bribes to pay to politicians and greedy shareholder to keep happy and invested

Posted by: Les | Dec 24 2022 1:24 utc | 208

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 19:58 utc | 119 Russian use of artillery
For what I have seen in couple of places the Russians aren’t firing as many artillery shells as they had been. There are various reasons given.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 1:27 utc | 209

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 20:57 utc | 137
Was that HIMARS? I’ve seen several places using the word “artillery” for that strike. Typically, I see HIMARS if it was suspected to be HIMARS. Though “artillery” could cover HIAMRS too.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 1:31 utc | 210

Well, not everyone…
https://www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-compares-applauding-zelensky-north-korea-style-performance-1769199

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 24 2022 1:34 utc | 211

Bill Smith@208 …shortage of domestic targets, most Ukrainians are home on a Christmas Break…..
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 24 2022 1:38 utc | 212

@Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 24 2022 1:04 utc | 205
Yeah, why not, I am talking about some figure the size of Putin or Xi Jinping who have balls enough to keep the interests of their countries and people above everything else.
In the case of NATO, and its current intent on draining the whole of Europe into a major war, which this time risks, not only its whole ruin, but erasing the continent from the face of Earth, I am talking of someone the size of De Gaulle, or others who kept their countries out of wars which were not of their interests.
NATO will die anyway, sooner or later, after this, there are already organized anti-NATO movements in all European countries, reactive to this intent on sacrifice of Europe on the part of the US/UK and their armed tool.
Once NATO death, US troops leaving Europe will be a matter of time, may be it could even take place even faster than it did in Afghanistan…as the people becomes aware of the Troyan Horse we kept at home through all these decades….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 24 2022 2:00 utc | 213

Anyone with eyes open sees the RF is correct in this conflict. From my prospective they are doing what they had to do. Really messed up stuff. A guy who plays the piano with his dick vs a man who brought his country up from ruin, ran spies(especially the Dresden story) when the Berlin Wall was taken down, and designing new weapons in the process.
Would love to see Zelensky fight Putin. Unreal how predictable that outcome would be. Wish all rulers would do that instead of dragging in everyone else in.

Posted by: eskimo | Dec 24 2022 2:21 utc | 214

@ unimperator | Dec 23 2022 21:53 utc | 156
thanks for your posts and the links.
@ Neofeudalfuture | Dec 23 2022 23:12 utc | 178
i take it you live in the usa?? it would be odd if you didn’t…
@ richard steven hack…
thanks for the overview and your posts..
@ suzan | Dec 23 2022 23:57 utc | 192
thanks! worked for you!
@ pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 0:53 utc | 202
they ignored my thoughtful post to them, so don’t expect anything different!

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 2:21 utc | 215

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 2:21 utc | 214
Probably ignored it bc u have proved what you are. Enjoy your karma brother.

Posted by: eskimo | Dec 24 2022 2:27 utc | 216

@ eskimo | Dec 24 2022 2:27 utc | 215
thanks eskimo.. happy trails to you as well!

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 2:37 utc | 217

Posted by: G. Poulin | Dec 23 2022 15:58 utc | 53
So, let me get this straight : the U.S. government wanted a more liberal democratic state in South Vietnam,
It’s never wanted that anywhere.
so it installed a military junta and rigged all future elections there. Makes perfect sense.
Uncle Sam’s standard M.O

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 24 2022 2:47 utc | 218

@Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 24 2022 0:00 utc | 193
What Ritter is saying about the Polish is that their readiness to fight will be used by the US to turn Poland into the next Ukraine. That is context that you would have found by listening to the interview. Given the history of Poland and their complete miscalculation with respect to the Germans, and believing France and the UK, in WW2 there is historical parallel.
Also, you misstate my summary points as he is saying that the US is patriotic and does not say that they are stupid. He only questions Western Europe’s readiness to fight the Russians, which may actually be very intelligent of the Western Europeans.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2022 2:51 utc | 219

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 2:37 utc | 216
Fair enough sir won’t post here again, but you know what you have done and believe it or not I pray for your types. Don’t think it’s ur fault doing what u do.

Posted by: eskimo | Dec 24 2022 3:03 utc | 220

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 23 2022 23:53 utc | 190
then you fail entirely to see the point. I suggest you sit yourself down and have a big think. If you still don’t see it then okay, forget it, it’s over your head.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 3:07 utc | 221

Latest Brian Berletic – trashes the Patriot and the new US Ukraine support weapons list… He’s the go-to guy for explaining how all this crap being sent is next to useless and certainly inadequate for changing the outcome of the war. Worth watching for these people here who keep telling us that this stuff is somehow going to keep the Russians from winning or even seriously slow their winning.
Pentagon’s “End-of-Year” Wishlist for Ukraine’s Military Falls Far Short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUo_FvINYAA
Check out his links in the description for his sources.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 3:12 utc | 222

How interesting.
Sooo this should infer. The unstated fact that the war toy chest of play toys in country 404. Is virtually down to using WW2 relics of a bygone era.
Also infers with a high probability there is nothing left to arm the female conscripts of death. To be sent to the killing fields in the Donbas. An extreme lack of transport and resupply capacity.
Interestingly, part of the newly trained RF volunteers/reservists are equipped with the latest model mobile war toys. Sent to Belarus and further north to pin down the entire Polish Army/Nato reinforcements. From moving further east than the western Polish international border. Peaceful Finland can be ignored on historical grounds since 1918.
Question: Did ‘z’ also bring his entire family with him to the USSA?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 24 2022 3:30 utc | 223

Did anyone count how many standing ovations happened for Zelensky? I have not seen any number yet. For Netanyaho there were about 29 or 30 if I remember.

Posted by: fanto | Dec 24 2022 3:32 utc | 224

@ eskimo | Dec 24 2022 3:03 utc | 219
i find your posts directed to me opaque and confusing.. i don’t know your intent, but i am very certain of mine..happy trails as i said..

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 3:46 utc | 225

Posted by: Les | Dec 24 2022 1:24 utc | 207
Thank you Les, good one.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 3:46 utc | 226

” Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Dec 23 2022 23:27 utc | 184
I’m sure seeing that is as sad as seeing all the new Russian graves.
You must find them first, and that will be more than western MSM have managed. Go on – show us!
Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 23:52 utc | 189″
Such an erudite comment. You’re right Russia has suffered no casualties whats so ever. All the plentiful videos of Russian soldiers being killed are just deep fakes. You are definitely Nobel price material.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 3:58 utc | 227

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 3:07 utc | 220
In other words, you are talking out of your ass, doesn’t take a whole lot of deep thought to figure that out.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 24 2022 4:08 utc | 228

That was one well oiled show, indeed. The way the American politicians welcomed Zelenskyyyy (I don’t know how many ‘y’s are legitimate, but let me err on the positive side), it looks to me he is going to fade away soon. But the conspiracy theory that Israel is looking to settle its excess immigrants in Ukraine looks more realistic after seeing the welcome. May be after enough number of Ukrainians flee / die, there will be a buffer zone, and the lands west of that buffer zone are to be divided among the backers – Poland, Romania (if it manages to swallow Moldova) and a residue “Ukraine”, where Israel can settle its surplus population…

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Dec 24 2022 4:14 utc | 229

Posted by: juliania | Dec 23 2022 20:25 utc | 124
Apparently, reported at Jimmy Dore, the People’s Party and Libertarian Party are trying to get a left/right coalition anti-war protest in Washington for February 19 organized. Perhaps US MOA bar flies might be interested.
https://rageagainstwar.com/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 4:53 utc | 230

I think those that question Russian superiority in this war have made some good points, there are many factors open to interpretation as no one here has actual hard facts.
One can see the Russians slow movement in Donbass, as their civilians are embarrassingly shelled daily, as being bogged down with old equipment and ineffective leadership. Likewise it could well be the other view that they are risk averse with their troops, and happy to just grind down suicidal Ukrainians.
Will there be the big Russian advance? Again neither yes or no would surprise. And again there are numerous arguments for either that will be indulged whatever does happen. What about a big Ukrainian advance into Melitipol? Hard to see them getting the equipment organized for that, so personally doubt it, however in the past they have come up with more troops than pundits anticipated, so maybe.
I tend to lean to Russia having a decisive victory, however this isn’t a belief like religion, being wrong would not be a huge surprise. Better to observe and be objective rather than taking positions set in concrete as it is your preferred view of the world, things often don’t go as we would wish.

Posted by: Organic | Dec 24 2022 5:00 utc | 231

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 4:53 utc | 229
Between the People’s Party and the Libertarian Party, they ought to be able to get at least five people there… 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:07 utc | 232

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 4:53 utc | 229
Yeah, they are looking for 10s of thousands, a little short of Julianna’s million, but I don’t see anyone else making the effort in the US these days.
Perhaps, you could give them a hand.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 5:13 utc | 233

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:07 utc | 231
Yeah, they are looking for 10s of thousands, a little short of Julianna’s million, but I don’t see anyone else making the effort in the US these days.
Perhaps, you could give them a hand.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 5:13 utc | 234

The latest from Mark Sleboda. He lists many reasons why Bahkmut is an important city to capture, some I wasn’t aware of, with maps and graphics to show the defensive lines.
Bakhmut Meatgrinder & Copium
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/bakhmut-meatgrinder-and-copium

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:18 utc | 235

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 5:13 utc | 233
If they get more than a thousand, maybe five hundred, I’d be amazed. I mean, maybe they’ll get lucky since Jimmy Dore has a heavily-viewed Youtube channel, but he’s hardly a Libertarian so I doubt he’ll get much traction on that side, and the People’s Party is miniscule. The latter was only created in August, 2020, with a total of 90,000 people watching the online event. I can’t find any actual figures for current membership, if there are any.
To get an idea of how they’re going as of last February, try this:
EXCLUSIVE: Movement for a People’s Party National Chair Nick Brana Was Under Investigation for Alleged Sexual Harassment, Board Members Purged
https://statuscoup.substack.com/p/exclusive-movement-for-a-peoples
In other words, whether any of the above is true or not, it immediately shows how far such a party will get once glommed on by the MSM and the PTB.
The Socialist Organizer, which apparently was involved with the MPP, had a falling out and describe it here:
Our Assessment of the Movement for a People’s Party
https://socialistorganizer.org/2020/07/31/our-assessment-of-the-movement-for-a-peoples-party/
The interesting part is where the MPP almost immediately tried to make common cause with a Democratic “progressive” organization:

No sooner had the compromise agreement fallen through than The Organizer‘s editorial board learned that the MPP had joined the California Progressive Alliance (CPA) as an “organizational ally.” The CPA is a coalition that works both inside and outside the Democratic Party. It endorses “progressive Democrats” running for office in local, state and federal elections. Joining the CPA no longer surprised us; after all, the MPP website still included a FAQ affirming that, “the missing ingredient in our progressive movement today [is] pressure from outside the Democratic Party [that] will cause it to change or be replaced.”

All in all, not sounding too promising as a way to raise a serious antiwar movement anywhere in the US even remotely comparable to the 1960’s. And anything less has zero chance of influencing either the public or still less the government being run by the neocons.
So, no, I wouldn’t waste my time.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:37 utc | 236

Why does it seem that all nations are heading towards the same goals ?
” On Wednesday the State Duma adopted a bill that regulates the collection and storage of biometric data in Russia.
To prevent the misuse or mishandling of biometric data by private enterprises, the legislation requires all face scans and voice samples to be stored in a centralized Unified Biometric System (UBS). ”
” The law is an integral part of the emerging system of digital government (“State as a platform”) following the template of the World Bank, which involves the creation of a digital profile of a citizen and digital money under the control of private structures. ”
https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/russias-biometric-nightmare

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 5:44 utc | 237

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 23 2022 16:34 utc | 68
Thanks for the detail re the Abrams. Very interesting.
Posted by: Les | Dec 24 2022 1:24 utc | 207
Entirely agree with you, but just want to add one thing. In times of war, private business has no say. The US /UK and I presume Europe, already have laws that allow nationalisation of industry for the duration of the war. That has already been used in WW II.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 24 2022 0:57 utc | 204
I hope so ,as I am sick of empty threats . I would dearly like to see some Nato big -wigs offed ,even for past injustices .
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Dec 24 2022 0:54 utc | 203
Thanks for the detail. And Inguess we will see how it all pans out in the end. All I can say is that the roads are rated at a certain level. It is an absolute issue , not just relative. One extra straw on a camel’s back may be 0.0001 percent more in total pack weight -miniscule difference- but absolutely fatal . Interesting about the bridges.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 5:47 utc | 238

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:37 utc | 235
Fair enough. Still, you live in the belly of the beast, so what will you do or are you doing?
I am not too concerned with the two parties (they even realize they are not going anywhere politically anytime soon, if ever). It is the attempt to get something, anything going. I realize demonstrations in the US, and West generally, are one day outings, after which everyone goes home and all is forgotten (unlike the Yellow Vests), but sitting on one’s duff posting to MOA, et al, day in, day out is not likely to get it done either, however informative such blogs may be.
The least one could do is promote them and their demands, and see what comes of it. https://rageagainstwar.com/#Coalition
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 5:55 utc | 239

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 23 2022 12:30 utc | 9
Here is an idea. How about Big Brother Ussa tell its Nato – buddy -Turkey -to send its new super -duper S400 to Ukraine, rather than pushing around the puny Greeks. After all, Greece has a population of 10 million and no industry to speak of and Turkey has a population of 80 million people and a -much -vaunted -by Nato army and economy. Or is the USA trying to kill a few birds with one stone; disarm Greece for a Turkish takeover, allowing in an Islamic spoiler into Europe ,to prevent EU integration , removing one of Russia’s staunchest supporters from the piece ( parent Orthodox nation) and stealing all of Greece’s newfound gas fields?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 6:07 utc | 240

@ Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 6:07 utc | 239
You are most welcome. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 6:26 utc | 241

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 6:07 utc | 239
You seem to be assuming that the US has the same sort of control over Turkiye that it does over Greece. Should Erdoğan lose the election in June, this US control might be possible, but not so long as Erdoğan and the AKP are in power. Turkiye really has no interest in taking over Greece, irrespective of who is in power.
However, some elements of the CHP and certainly the İyi Party leader, Aksener, are very pro-US, and might try to apply US sanctions to Russia should they attain power through the June election. The Turkish people would not be for this (being subject to much less US propaganda than the people in other NATO countries), so this might restrain them.
I am afraid your suggestion borders on the absurd.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 6:54 utc | 242

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 24 2022 4:08 utc | 227
Thankyou for dropping your mask. Goodbye.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 7:05 utc | 243

> Madame Nhu, who was in the United States at the time, denounced the coup and angrily accused the Americans of orchestrating it. When asked about whether the US was involved, she replied “definitely”, elaborating that “no coup can erupt without American incitement and backing” and declaring that she would not seek asylum “in a country whose government stabbed me in the back”.[139] She said “I believe all the devils of hell are against us” and that “whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies”.
Haha. How on point.

Posted by: Aule | Dec 24 2022 7:15 utc | 244

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 5:55 utc | 238
“so what will you do or are you doing?”
When there is nothing that can be done, doing nothing is the best course. Concerning oneself with one’s own survival is usually the best course in such circumstances. So what exactly will you do that will have such a wonderful effect on the outcome of this windmill tilt?
“It is the attempt to get something, anything going.”
What part of nothing is going to work don’t you get?
“sitting on one’s duff posting to MOA, et al, day in, day out is not likely to get it done either, however informative such blogs may be.”
Again, if nothing can be done, then how is it going to get done? If you don’t have a plan, you’re hand-waving. I have other endeavors to occupy my time than MoA.
“The least one could do is promote them and their demands, and see what comes of it.”
We already know what will come of it – exactly nothing.
“Nothing ventured, nothing gained.”
Not relevant to the issue, which is why waste time doing something that will have zero effect? A “venture” could have a positive gain, which is why one engages in it. A waste of time is time better spent engaging in some other venture. especially when it’s clear that the proposed venture has exactly zero chance of being successful.
Flap your arms and fly to the moon? Why not? “Noting ventured, nothing gained”, right? There’s such a thing as reality, which people who expect everyone to come together and sing “kumbayah” don’t seem to grasp.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 7:16 utc | 245

@ abrogard | Dec 24 2022 7:05 utc | 242
How about you, talking out yer ass, in your so obvious disingenuous trolling desire for … ‘balance’ & ‘facts’ & FUD … drop your mask, yet again, & regale MoA by posting more of your links to official OUN-Nazi websites, especially promoting the recorded bi-weekly video addresses of the Psychopath Arestovich ?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 7:26 utc | 246

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:18 utc | 234
Thanks, good article.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 24 2022 7:36 utc | 247

@Deplorable Commissar
All government going down that road, means all state actors are in the global financial oligarchs’ pockets. India is in their pocket, UIDAI and Aadhar are cases in point. The states where all the ‘people reps’ are not in ‘global financial oligarchs’ pockets’ YET, they rush it through parliament/duma/house. ‘GFOs’ already own the money soft/hard/fictious, now they need bios to target individuals. If Russia passes this or other bio-metric legislation, I will write Russia off as the body that fights the GFOs i.e. Russia is not fighting the GFOs, rather they are stooges of the GFOs and all of this is just a stage show, this US/NATO vs Rus-China or Dollar vs dedollarisation is just a show. Pushback is nothing as GFOs can push through parliament/duma/house whatever they want. As a side note can you get the names of those who tried to push it through, they should be outed and exposed for what they are FWIW.

Posted by: RealBeast | Dec 24 2022 7:55 utc | 248

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 7:16 utc | 244
Well, OK. We have a different view of how reality can operate. Admittedly, my position is a little different than yours, since I am living and working abroad and under contract to refrain from any political activity as a guest in this country.
In Canada, when I was living there, I did voluteer to assist a political party in elections a way back when. Pink Ed and the NDP had litle chance of gaining power outright, but did have a chance to gain some power through coalition and minority governments, similarly in provincial parliaments. There wasn’t much in the way of demonstrations in Canada in those days, as Canada, despite some inflation in the late seventies was relatively prosperous.
In Turkiye, when teaching at university, I did manage to organize courses around critical thinking and examining globalizztion and the role of corporations, such as Monsanto, Pfizer and big oil, and issues in agriculture, and gene manipulation. The audience was overall smaller than MOA’s, but impressionable and receptive. I also, had students examine Turkish environmental issues, through field trips, to consider problems and solutions for such.
Though, I did not take part in the Gezi demonstrations, I did visit the park encampments and discuss the issues with participants. I do remember the smell of pepper spray wafting down through my open windows. Interestingly, the park is still there after nine years, despite the rather small beginnings of a demonstration. Small beginnings can grow, but not without the beginning to start with.
At the moment, there is not much I can do here, other than e-mail friends and family and recommend sites for better information than the CBC provides. Türkiye, as you know is not exactly anti-Putin, anti-Russian, though Erdoğan and Putin have their differences. Indeed, the one area of foreign policy that I have disagreed with the AKP on was its policy towards Assad’s government.This is being mitigated to some extent at the moment. Given that the Turkish government is in the process of trying to mediate between Russia and “Ukraine”, there is not much for people to do here with respect to that issue. The Turkish is being seen to do what it can.
I sympathize with your time constraints and your need to simply survive. With an 80% year on inflation rate here, I have little time for anything but work and trying to manage my monthly income to pay the rent and feed my wife and myself.
Best of luck in your other endeavours.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 8:05 utc | 249

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 24 2022 1:34 utc | 210
good for him, i would bet a decent amount of money that not one member of the Squad will have the guts to echo him, i bet they all stood and clapped with proper North Korean fervor.
somebody was saying what can we do, right now not a lot that I can see. we can lay across a train track and get our legs cut off, like an earlier protestor, but individually we are atoms. things have to get more desperate, like they did during the Great Depression, before americans wake the fuck up. I think they’re heading that way. we need a general strike, at the least. the system is completely rigged against more parties, none of the happy clappers in office, maybe with an occasional exception, will do shit, and if they do they risk being whacked imo.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 8:10 utc | 250

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:18 utc | 234
yeah that was a good article. I think our best hope is Russia winning, NATO collapsing as alliances fracture, and the resulting political chaos as the 2 parties lose all credibility. but meanwhile we have to hope Santa doesn’t bring us a nuclear war in 2023, as the neocons and neolibs freak out. and as the US goes through whatever chaos that brings, so other countries that the US has bought and threatened will have more of a chance to control their own destinies. as james and others have mentioned, this is a medium to long term process, and a lot of us geezers (we geezers?) probably won’t live to see how it plays out. humanity has a lot to overcome in the next century or two; Russia and China changing the world to a multipolar system without a world war breaking out is a huge, necessary, but not sufficient first step.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 8:22 utc | 251

I sympathize with your time constraints and your need to simply survive. With an 80% year on inflation rate here, I have little time for anything but work and trying to manage my monthly income to pay the rent and feed my wife and myself.
Best of luck in your other endeavours.
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 8:05 utc | 248
you’re not alone, brother, a lot us in that boat.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 8:25 utc | 252

I tend to lean to Russia having a decisive victory, however this isn’t a belief like religion, being wrong would not be a huge surprise.
Posted by: Organic | Dec 24 2022 5:00 utc | 230

A big decisive victory can’t happen anymore, because they’re fighting zombies and the moment for such a victory passed many months ago, when they started running backwards. I read Bulgaria will start to provide weapons and Romania is going to change same laws to manufacture ammo and weapons for Ukr, or something like that, I didn’t understand well what the colony plans. So the money and ammo will be unlimited and the EU bases will provide a few thousand terrorists each month in addition to all terrorists US can collect from everywhere else.
As the regular Ukr army is getting smaller, what will remain of them and natoids pretending to be mercenaries will stop classic attacks and switch to 100% terrorism, like in Donetsk now. I read that large part of Donetsk had no power yesterday.

Posted by: rk | Dec 24 2022 8:31 utc | 253

Apparently, reported at Jimmy Dore, the People’s Party and Libertarian Party are trying to get a left/right coalition anti-war protest in Washington for February 19 organized. Perhaps US MOA bar flies might be interested.
https://rageagainstwar.com/
Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 4:53 utc | 229

The only question is if it will be big enough for the FBI and NSA to decide to either infiltrate it or direct it. Depends how badly they want to discredit Jimmy and his followers.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 8:31 utc | 254

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 16:03 utc | 55
“I will confidently bet you that the combined Western industry will be able to supply Ukraine for years to come, and it’s more likely Russia who will experience problems. ”
How confidant are you? $100? $500? $1000? I am interested in taking you up. Looking forward to some easy money!!!

Posted by: sumant | Dec 24 2022 8:33 utc | 255

@Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 21:00 utc | 138

There is also very good reason to conclude Russia “really meant it” when they demanded that NATO pull back to its pre-1997 borders in Europe, and that they will not accede to any agreement with NATO that does not meet that precondition. That said, Russia need not reconquer the Warsaw Pact nations in order to achieve this objective. They need only to refuse to do business with them and the rest of Europe until they themselves shake off their vassal chains, exert their sovereignty, and construct a pan-European security structure independent of American hegemony.

I agree completely. The only part which is shaky is the part of the EU shaking off their vassal status, or at least that happening before war between Russia and NATO breaks out, if the article referenced above by OdessaConnected is correct.

I agree wrt. the Russian sincerity of intentions. They do not have to await the day when the European nations shake off their vassal status, they can as stated just refuse to do business with them and deal with the rest of the world, the consequences follow by “natural law”. This part needs to be understood in Europe (no, Europe is not “EU”), and until it is, the problem is Europes alone.
NATO and “EU” must be removed from the European continent, they are tools of the Hegemon.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2022 8:35 utc | 256

Posted by: sumant | Dec 24 2022 8:33 utc | 254
winning that bet won’t be much of a problem, imo. collecting on it is another matter. i don’t know if the bookies are offering odds on Ukraine holding Bakhmut or when Zelensky gets Diemed, but the online sports books will probably pay you off. i seem to remember the crowd wagering on that fight between Mel Gibson and the 2 man team (the dwarf riding the giant) he was fighting in Beyond Thunderdome. and that fight was rigged, too, it totally violated the spirit and letter of “2 men enter, 1 man leaves”.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 8:46 utc | 257

@Peter AU1 | Dec 23 2022 22:22 utc | 166

Poland is gearing up for war. Perhaps they will simply be fed into the Russian artillery, but Putin has given them the nod to grab Galicia. Will be interesting to see which way it goes.

I don’t know what is going to happen, but I think it would be a dangerous and serious mistake for Poland to attempt to take Galicia by force. If they do try, I hope it breaks NATO and the “EU” in the process.
I listened to Mercouris’ latest video this morning where he cited Putin as saying something like it was a mistake by Stalin to include Galicia into Ukraine, because the ideology there has poisoned the whole of Ukraine and caused a conflict. Maybe it could be understood as a hint, I guess that is what you are referring to.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2022 8:56 utc | 258

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 24 2022 2:00 utc | 212
So who are the countering political forces in Russia, China, and especially North Korea?

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 24 2022 9:00 utc | 259

“Or is the USA trying to kill a few birds with one stone; disarm Greece.”
Interesting observation.
Macron was calling for a European military before the conflict even began.
Is the US draining Europe’s militaries on purpose to avert European independence from NATO. Sure looks like it.
High energy prices, reducing industrial competitiveness and slowly draining the militaries.
Is the US at war with Russia or the European Union?

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 24 2022 9:08 utc | 260

Slightly off topic but Ben Wallace the UK Defence Secretary is reported to have claimed that Russia has suffered 100,000 casualties – KIA, WIA and MIA. Western commentators usually claim that number for KIA only. I wonder if he inadvertently let slip the truth or is simply not understanding his brief?
https://apnews.com/article/putin-finland-sergei-shoigu-ee953abf7f9bf217ccdaa61ec1b35ddd?utm_source=apnews&utm_medium=featuredcard&utm_campaign=rightrailstory_01
Given that 3 wounded could be expected for each KIA that would make around 25,000 Russia dead – which might include various forces like the Chechens, Wagner Group and units from the breakaway Republics. Most readers here would probably agree Ukrainian dead are 4 to 6 times higher than this.
Anyway these numbers are consistent with my understanding of what has been ocurring.
Of course we read daily of mass surrenders by ill equipped and unfed Russian conscripts. Yet somehow the fighting goes on.

Posted by: marcjf | Dec 24 2022 9:13 utc | 261

@aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 22:49 utc | 173

Counterpunch lost me as a reader shortly after the Twin Towers (and building 7) takedown by some combination of the Talmudist neocons, the Agency and Mossad, when their chief honcho, Alex, assured us that it was accomplished by seven Arabs with boxcutters , while their leader’s drivers license mysteriously wafted down to a sidewalk and was duly picked up, in pristine condition by some cop on the beat…and as Lucky Larry hollered out “Pull It” and Building Seven magically heeded his secret password and promptly collapsed into its own signature.

The claim was 19 Saudis with box cutters (and therefore Afghanistan had to be invaded), but other than that you got it exactly right. Anyone still peddling that physically impossible and ridiculous, but still “official” fantasy story are discrediting themselves. So, if Counterpunch contributes something today wrt. Ukraine one should understand the base they are standing on.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2022 9:13 utc | 262

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:18 utc | 112
was that piano dick playing really zelenski?
Yeah, but he only tapped the white keys.

Posted by: KR | Dec 24 2022 9:19 utc | 263

The best option would be to split that part of Ukr to Romania, Hungary and Poland but US won’t allow that as it would stabilize the region. Poland is a colony, if they go in it will be because US told them to do so. It’s exactly why very recently Romania said they don’t have any territorial demands although before they often complained they’ve lost a part of the country, when Ukr was seen as part of Russian world. Now old nazis are the new nazis.
But if Poland goes to Odessa quickly they can also blackmail Hungary, take hostages or force the population to move to Hungary. There are no Russian soldiers anywhere near and a few missiles and drones won’t stop them. As general Baldie continues to be stuck like in his first day, far from nato borders, another trick can happen from Moldova and Romania to Transnistria. Moldova claims now that Russia will invade them in Feb or something like that, and puppet Maia is placing the opposition in jail exactly like Zely did.

Posted by: rk | Dec 24 2022 9:33 utc | 264

One year ago, the Russian government sent a letter to NATO and EU countries, outlining the Russian negotiation position: Russia requests that NATO returns to its pre-1997 military infrastructure, and warning that if negotiation was not chosen, military-technical measures would be taken.
One year later, you could say Russia was quite open and informed in advance where it stood, and the consequences.
By comparison: when the US acts, as in blowing up North Stream, the US acts in the dark, and looks for plausible deniability.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 24 2022 9:50 utc | 265

@Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 5:18 utc | 234

The latest from Mark Sleboda. He lists many reasons why Bahkmut is an important city to capture, some I wasn’t aware of, with maps and graphics to show the defensive lines.
Bakhmut Meatgrinder & Copium
“>https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/bakhmut-meatgrinder-and-copium

Excellent reading, thanks for the link.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2022 10:11 utc | 266

” Micron have you recently seen the sad footage of new Ukrainian military graveyards?
Posted by: Milos | Dec 23 2022 23:00 utc | 175 “

I have, and it’s a sorry sight for the Ukrainians, but unfortunately it has no greater significance from a strategic perspective, for several reasons. First, seeing lines of graves is always impressive but the question is : how many, and what impact does it have as a whole on the fighting capability of the Ukies ? A few thousand deaths, from the POV of Washington and Zelensky, is not significant. As for the fighting capability, we can clearly see it is still there.
This is by the way why I have grown more and more skeptical of the claims being bandied about of terminally incompetent Ukrainian commanders, or meat grinders galore. This amounts to claiming that ordinary Ukrainian grunts are seeing every day their colleagues falling left and right, without the slightest dent in morale and any urge to cede defensive positions. Two possibilities :
1) claims of massive casualties are exaggerated or inflated for propaganda purpose
2) Ukie soldiers remain motivated anyway and keep a high morale no matter the losses
The point I’m trying to convey is that no matter if it’s 1 or 2, it means Ukrainians do still have a motivated and competent fighting force 8 months after it was emphatically claimed the Ukrainian army “had ceased to exist”.
This alone invalidates a lot of triumphant propaganda, to say nothing about Ritter’s fantasies of Russia “shaping up the battlefield” in March-April. Shaping up my ***, the fact is the Ukrainians keep going 8 months after their supposed expiration date, so I see no factually grounded reason why the war couldn’t go on for several years.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 24 2022 10:30 utc | 267

Interesting video, Russian S-350 UAV.
https://youtu.be/KLBg0bS41gI

Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2022 10:32 utc | 268

@ Posted by: Micron | Dec 24 2022 10:30 utc | 267
I would say the Ukrainians are fighting bravely, but not intelligently. Had they yielded to Russians , as was hope, thier lives would have been spared, thier country not destroyed and they would have remained sovereign. What have the people of Ukraine gained from this?
Ritter has never made light of the capability of the Ukrainian regular military. What he has said is that it is foregone conclusion that they will lose the conflict, barring some unforseen event military or political.
War of Attrition means that one side loses equipment and/or men at a rate suffiently greater than other side so that outcome is assured.

Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2022 10:58 utc | 269

The great tragedy of current geopolitical situation is that leaders of nations can be induced to act against the interests of own people and will benefit greatly from choice to do so.
In theory the deep state would prevent this, but they have been able to undermine the entire structure – I guess it only requires the turning of a percentage and funding.

Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2022 11:05 utc | 270

@ james 78
You’re lucky you don’t have to listen to Mr Unaffordable every News bulletin. We used to use the word ‘ siphon ‘ to describe profiteering politicians, but now persuading the governnent to pay essential wages is like sucking petrol up from a low tank to fill a small container, while the main function of all governments theoughout the world is to build money ivory towers on high , moral ground from which money can easily flow to vested interests.
I haven’t listened to much news since the start of the Smo because the lie level was unacceptable. But your description of reality is accurate imho.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 24 2022 11:06 utc | 271

I frequently get timed out on this site. After Select all + copy + refresh + paste , I sometimes accidentally paste onto the email by mistake. The second version usually is much shorter , but with more concentrated digesting acid than the first.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 24 2022 11:14 utc | 272

This is by the way why I have grown more and more skeptical of the claims being bandied about of terminally incompetent Ukrainian commanders,
Posted by: Micron | Dec 24 2022 10:30 utc | 267
I am not sure who is claiming Ukrainian commanders are terminally incompetent but they most definitely are not.
Ukrainian soldiers have fought hard and with much skill. The command is far from casualty adverse but certainly competent, especially the midranking officers. A couple of the Ukrainian retreats under heavy fire were militarily speaking quite impressive.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 24 2022 11:17 utc | 273

It seems to me that Sen. Linsey Graham has crossed some lines expressing US interests/involvement in this war – we need to over-throw Russia government to weaken Chinas resolve.
Though he is only saying the quiet part, I think it may work against him and his objectives.
Putin has expressed regret for wasted effort on relations with west and his slowness to react to events in Ukraine. But has he learned from that.

Posted by: jared | Dec 24 2022 11:38 utc | 274

From Slavyangrad https://t.me/Slavyangrad/26165
It is an interesting situation that has been developing around Bahmut for some time. At first, it was a smaller-scale conflict that tied up a larger number of AFU troops than it should have, but nothing that would seriously compromise Ukraine’s attack potential on other fronts. But a useless and bloody Kherson adventure that rid a significant portion of men and material from the hands of AFU (we are talking about two entire infantry division worth of men and pretty much two fully armored divisions worth of hardware at least) complicated the situation.
With Kherson gone (along with the Army Corps worth of troops), Ua lost its momentum. Of course, a significant role played in the arrival of new units from Russia (which are just starting to mass and arriving piecemeal to the SMO zone), Artemovsk again became a focal point of the front. It became Kherson on steroids, but the roles are reversed now. Russians are attacking slowly and, I must say, ruthlessly efficiently (in eliminating Ua combat power), advancing gradually and just in a manner that creates extreme anxiety in enemy command. It’s not the importance of the city as such that brings sleepless nights but, again, huge losses that AFU is taking.
We now can talk of more significant losses than what Ua suffered under the Kherson. Some brigades have lost up to 80% of their combat strength. Broken remnants of units are pulled regularly from the contact line to the rear to be saved and replenished. Some formations are nothing more than battle groups created from scraps of battered units. Ua is holding up so far but retreating from numerous strong points and lines that it made with so much effort, which will eventually cause this maze of defensive positions to collapse. If you have lost 30.000 men already and regularly lose more every day without noticeable relief or lack of pressure from the enemy, some critical questions arise.
Should we continue to resist here? Zelensky visit (or at least a fake visit), make sure of that. Artemovsk is eating, and his hunger is not satisfied. AFU is becoming desperate. Instead of combat brigades (which are wiped out or heavily battered), terdefence units are plugging the holes and men the lines. Yes, they are good at holding the lines until all are dead and saving more worthy AFU troops from annihilation, thus buying time for AFU to try to replenish losses and gather reserves (which is doing harder and harder as time pass by).
Another critical question that arises is, “what’s wrong with AFU troops”? They are trained in the west—a substantial proportion of them. But yet, they are being blasted. Why? Western instructors thought the majority of them “COIN” tactics, counter-insurgency style of fight, which is worthless in Artemovsk. Officers’ loss (about which we wrote), and soldier loss, which we are writing about now, show that AFU is simply unprepared for this kind of fight. Nothing can actually prepare you for WW1/WW2 type of combat. Change in the infantry tactics of Russians (creating smaller combat groups that act fast and efficiently, maximizing damage inflicted on the enemy) is something that no one can prepare you for, primarily if you trained in counterinsurgency tactics which, In this type of warfare is simply laughable.
AFU is now holding with the teeth and nails for its network of strong points, which are simply raised to the ground or raided by the Russian infantry (option no two is often used – to make them refill the lines again to be killed again). How much more will Artemovsk eat?

Stalingrad in reprise…..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 24 2022 12:04 utc | 275

@ jared | Dec 24 2022 11:38 utc | 274
It seems to me that Sen. Lindsey Graham has crossed some lines expressing US interests/involvement in this war – we need to over-throw Russia government to weaken Chinas resolve.
Graham is laying out the agenda that US has ever since the dissolving of the CCCP/SSSR and China lifting head.
He also mentions Crimea there as a main objective and a prize in Ukraine.
What Graham and possibly everyone in US Congress is not aware at all or do not even want to know that RF is not a crusty Soviet state with Communist dictator running it. So they will continue to cross all the lines until they are stopped.
Concerning the weapons and resources, between now and the coming spring 2023 the time is ripe for RF to escalate the conflict to neuter NATO/US for good.
I would hate to see and hear post-Pearl Harbour Yamamoto’s defeatism from RF that “they woke a giant”.
When giant sleeps, you use everything at your disposal to kill it before it wakes up. Ever since the Homer’s Iliad’s Cyclops.
I think that poking out eyes in the sky from AWACS to satellites and downlink points in EU that receive intel must be done, one way or the other.
That will send a clear message worth thousands of bilateral meetings and push pulling through diplomatic channels with “those who are uncapable of an agreement”.
Until this all doesn’t start rolling, Zelensky is very much safe and RF will never harm him for now, as he is exactly where RF wants him to be. I am not so sure about his close advisors, though.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 24 2022 12:15 utc | 276

I feel utterly disgusted and ashamed by Ukraine.
https://t.me/MarkUrbanist/665
Time for some emergency slutshaming.

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 24 2022 12:16 utc | 277

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 6:54 utc | 241
Yes, I read your post about you working in Turkey as an academic ,as a guest of Erdogan and Turkey.
Sorry, I remain unconvinced of Erdogan’s anti -Americanness, especially as it all came about immediately after the US tried to murder him .Erdogan was a pre-eminent cause of the tried but unsuccessful escalation of the Syrian “Civil” War. We all remember the attack on the Russian aeroplane. I also remember well Turkey’s ingratiating help to Israel and the US all those years before that. All those years, Turkey planned, transported, hid, armed ,trained, and nursed those Jihadi cutthroats in Syria .Yes, I saw those satanic videos of decapitations by Turcojihadis. Yes, they weren’t the only ones doing it , but are the only main ones still doing it.
I don’t expect you to share my views; as you are an academic, teaching what would be the most- progressive, well -mannered , most- educated, most-secular section of the Turkish population. Sadly , they are not the majority of the people or the ones with power in Turkey.
Turkiye really has no interest in taking over Greece, irrespective of who is in power.
Balkan History and scholarly works by Nato,EU ,State The Department and private individuals all suggest otherwise. Also real life still shows that Turkey has invaded and is still in Cyprus, Iraq, Syria , and to put it politely inveigled itself into Libya ,Albania and Kosovo and Metohija.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 12:18 utc | 278

From Rybar….https://t.me/sitreports/2500

Polish carriers have announced (https://logistyka.rp.pl/drogowy/art37655891-zdesperowani-przewoznicy-zapowiadaja-blokade-dorohuska) another blockade of the border crossing at #Dorohusk. It is not excluded that farmers will join them.
The reason of the protest lies in actions of the Ukrainian side. Drivers have stated that they are tired of difficulties at the border: due to power cuts the electronic queue system does not work properly, and since December 21 it does not work at all. The Ukrainians disabled it, announcing that it would only restart on 24 December.
By then almost no trucks will be able to return to Poland. In their opinion it’s impossible to leave #Ukraine now and the electronic queue doesn’t help the situation: it is used mainly for trucks with special loads.
Last Sunday the border with #Poland was visited Deputy Minister of Transport of #Ukraine Mustafa Nayem. True, he did not come to fix the problems, but once again to blame the Poles for the situation. They are the ones who hold up inspections: the services are slow in carrying out phytosanitary and veterinary control. Drivers believe that the Ukrainian authorities are only interested in their grain exports and fuel imports to #Ukraine.
According to the truckers’ calculations, only 100 vehicles a day return from #Ukraine, while there should be at least 600. For example, the terminal in #Zosyn is open for empty trucks returning from #Ukraine. But only three vehicles pass through there in an hour, although it takes about five minutes to register empty vehicles.
Difficult conditions, including a lack of facilities and even toilets, are also a problem. Drivers are fed up with this and threaten to quit their jobs, which adds to the headache for Polish transport companies.
They are also afraid that the Ukrainians will take their share of the market. Ukrainian drivers enter #Poland with grain, which they unload at the border, then carry other cargoes to the West, and from there to #Ukraine. They do not need permits, and fuel is cheaper.
In this regard, several transport companies in #Poland intend to open a company in #Ukraine and take advantage of benefits that the European Commission grants them.
🚜 Farmers in agricultural machinery are also planning to join the blockade in #Dorohusk. They seem to be serious about participating, as they recently organised (https://t.me/pl_syrenka/4937) a protest against uncontrolled imports of grain and poultry from #Ukraine, which they are going to do this time as well.
By the way, this is not the first time that the truckers have staged a blockade. In September this year Polish drivers have already blocked (https://t.me/pl_syrenka/3936) the entrance to #Dorohusk border crossing point. Then they demanded improvement of clearance and reinstatement of obligation to obtain transport permits for Ukrainian carriers.
After several days of protests, the parties agreed on some solutions, but progress probably ended at this stage. The effectiveness of the terminal has not changed and the authorities will soon receive a new wave of blockages.

Apparently, all is not well on the Polish Front….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 24 2022 12:34 utc | 279

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 24 2022 9:08 utc | 259
Yes indeed, the 2022 Russo-Zelenskian (Camouflaged NATO) war has handed many benefits to the USA, one of which is total dependence and looting of Europe by the former. Happy Days for Washington.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2022 8:56 utc | 257
Mistakes by Stalin in taking Galicia? Could be and seems so now but I think won’t be mistakes in the long term. Did the Iberians make a mistake taking back their land from the Muslims? Byzantine Greeks , Normans taking back Sicily and Southern Italy from the Saracen Muslims? Did South -Eastern Europe make a mistake taking back their lands from the Turks? Did the Georgians /Russians make a mistake taking back the Ukraine and the Caucasus .
I will tell you did make mistakes. The Balkaners and Russians molly-coddling both their residual Muslims and Galician/OUN Ukros respectively after the wars ,according to Western Secular Humanist values. Look at the thanks they got.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 12:34 utc | 280

karlof1 @168 quotes an SCI editorial:
“It[the USA]’s all about promoting war, death and human suffering with smug and deluded sanctimony. The antithesis of Christmas.”
and adds “But then, that what the Outlaw US Empire’s been all about since 1945–Yes, it’s been going on that long.”
Yes indeed – on this night, and over twelve successive nights, fifty years ago, they once again enacted the antithesis of Christmas, in the savage, stupid Christmas bombing of Hanoi and Hai Phong.

Posted by: Hope | Dec 24 2022 12:38 utc | 281

They are also afraid that the Ukrainians will take their share of the market. Ukrainian drivers enter #Poland with grain, which they unload at the border, then carry other cargoes to the West, and from there to #Ukraine. They do not need permits, and fuel is cheaper.
Welcome to having your economy hollowed out and foreigners treated better than you ,Poles. All to stiff Putin ,wouldn’t you know?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 12:40 utc | 282

Posted by: Organic | Dec 24 2022 5:00 utc | 230
I risc of being wrong again, but I dare predict that there will be a Russian winter offensive to take over Donetsk territory and set up a new defensive line. How far west I don’t know, but far enough to protect Donetsk city from frequent shelling. I believe Russians will sit and wait there for the next winter. Things will definitely get uglier in Europe by then, and partisan war between dems and conservatives will get into a full swing in the US. Russia will pull out some volume of oil from the market to keep the prices as high as possible.

Posted by: Milos | Dec 24 2022 12:47 utc | 283

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oU_HFZ2Tr0
@Z (No. 34)
“…lots of little shahs (a la Iran as was)”….
Shah is a posh English way of saying “shower”, as in “a shower of shite” ;O)

Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 24 2022 12:53 utc | 284

“I don’t believe there are any Russians,
And there aint no Yanks….
Just corporate criminals,
Playing with tanks.”
-The Call

Posted by: Tesshu | Dec 24 2022 13:02 utc | 285

If Biden gets his conventional world war, Russia will take out the heads of the snakes of Empire no problem. That would suit the Straussian zionists fine.
Soviphobia is rife in Eastern Europe and Empirephobia is rife in South America.
All of those failed empires were run by zionists anyway. The war becomes bipolar
between Christian + Muslim v. Zion whereas it is now Christian v. Muslim with Zion
egging them on to destroy each other.
Putin’s job as Russian President is to divest Russia of the bullying and corruption of the Soviet era and invite others to divest themselves of the bullying and corruption of the USUKIS Empire. SCO.
Frankly, I can’t see how a big military push into Ukraine now or in the future is compatible with uniting the world against the crimes of Zion. By going to Washington , Zelensky continues to play double piano keys with his dick in order to goad Vladimir Putin into colonial-style
aggression in Ukraine. Mr Putin is much too sensible to take any notice of this pathetic and childish provocation.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 24 2022 13:20 utc | 286

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 24 2022 12:34 utc | 280
The Poles became too expensive workers and service providers. Didn’t believe to see this day occur. That is one pillar of the Polish economy.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 24 2022 13:33 utc | 287

whirlX @277: “I would hate to see and hear post-Pearl Harbour Yamamoto’s defeatism from RF that “they woke a giant”.”
No worries there!
Sure, that’s what everyone in the West fantasizes about. America just needs a swift enough kick in the pants and -Boom!-, we’ll re-industrialize overnight!
Sad to say, it cannot happen. That is simply not how capitalism works. Capitalism doesn’t deliver what you want; it delivers what is profitable, and industry in the US cannot be profitable in your lifetime. The petrodollar and the US$ as global reserve currency must both be ended before re-industrialization can occur, and those changes will fundamentally transform America into something you would not recognize, and for the 99.9% of the population those changes will be radically for the worse. There is a reasonable chance you wouldn’t even survive those changes as US life expectancy will plummet.
That is where America has to go before you can start building an industrial workforce again.
The giant that you should be terrified of waking up today is China. When China gets pulled into the fight then the Empire of Delusions will be crushed like a pathetic bug. It won’t be a near thing at all. The US will be stunningly outclassed as your delusions of grandeur crash into reality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 24 2022 14:43 utc | 288

whirlX @277: “I would hate to see and hear post-Pearl Harbour Yamamoto’s defeatism from RF that “they woke a giant”.”
No worries there!
Sure, that’s what everyone in the West fantasizes about. America just needs a swift enough kick in the pants and -Boom!-, we’ll re-industrialize overnight!
Sad to say, it cannot happen. That is simply not how capitalism works. Capitalism doesn’t deliver what you want; it delivers what is profitable, and industry in the US cannot be profitable in your lifetime. The petrodollar and the US$ as global reserve currency must both be ended before re-industrialization can occur, and those changes will fundamentally transform America into something you would not recognize, and for the 99.9% of the population those changes will be radically for the worse. There is a reasonable chance you wouldn’t even survive those changes as US life expectancy will plummet.
That is where America has to go before you can start building an industrial workforce again.
The giant that you should be terrified of waking up today is China. When China gets pulled into the fight then the Empire of Delusions will be crushed like a pathetic bug. It won’t be a near thing at all. The US will be stunningly outclassed as your delusions of grandeur crash into reality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 24 2022 14:45 utc | 289

So why does it mean reindustrialisation will be necessarily for the worse in the US?
Maybe answer in non-ukro thread?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 15:34 utc | 290

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 12:18 utc | 279
I did not claim Erdoğan was “anti-American”. He is just not anti-russian or anti-Putin. However, he is not partiuclarly pro-American either. Erdoğan is an opportunist and will work both sides to his and sometimes his country’s advantage.
I am well aware of Erdoğan’s role in the Syrian war and his and the US/NATO efforts to get each involved. I also watched Turkish TV when Aleppo looted machinery was being wheeled across the border into Turkiye. I have noted that I opposed Erdpğan’s policy towards Assad. At that time Davutoğlu and Erdoğan had certain neo-Ottoman dreams. The quid pro quo was the movement of these jihadis for nato/US acquiescence to Erdoğan’s aspirations. This was before the fallout with Gülen and the attempted Coup in 2015. Just a few months before the coup was Turkiye shooting down the Russian fighter jet.
Since then with Russia apparently alerting Erdoğan to the coup plot, and the working out of a modus vivendi over the warplane shoot down, Erdoğan’s approach has been tempered somewhat towards a more balanced appraoch to international relations, and a greater interest in focusing on somewhat more rational relationships with other countries. True, he still makes use of the jihadis, in Libya, in Syria, in Azerbaijan, etc. Basically, they are mercenaries, and as far as I know, have not done much head chopping since Türkiye got some real control over them.
I am well aware of the Balkan wars of the Past, but they have nothing in common with Iraq or Cyprus. Iraq has been a battle with a Kurdish terrorist separatist organization, that the Iraqi government has not had any control over.
The Cyprus situation was not an “invasion”, but a legal intervention according to the tripartite agreement guarantees between Britain Greece and Turkey at the foundation of the Republic of Cyprus. This intervention was done to prevent the ethnic cleansing of the Turkish population following the overthrow of the Greek Cypriot government by the Greek Junta. In the West, of course, Turkiye is always portrayed as the bad guy (These days, one should hardly be surprised at this, the way the Western World demonizes anyone they oppose), but it is far more complicated than that.
You write: “Balkan History and scholarly works by Nato,EU ,State The Department and private individuals all suggest otherwise.” Needless to say, your sources are far from unbiased.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 24 2022 15:59 utc | 291

@ Giyane | Dec 24 2022 11:06 utc | 272
thanks giyane… yes – this trip of zelensky to the usa, on a usa military plane and etc. etc. – totally scripted to fit a particular narrative.. they say they are giving the money to ukraine, but it is going to the military and banking complex.. ukraine will get very little of it and will suffer more deaths too.. things look grim for ukraine, but in some regards they look even grimmer for the planet as a whole with shit like this happening.
@ Dr. George W Oprisko
thanks for your posts!

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 16:26 utc | 292

Brother Ma @ 290
Reindustrialization will not be bad. The economic preconditions for reindustrialization in the US are what will be bad.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 24 2022 16:47 utc | 293

Wm.Gruff@293
In particular, the US weakness in the quality of STEM graduates will make reindustrialization extremely difficult… and if foreign STEM grads come to the correct conclusion that US is an expensive, WOKE infected hell hole, they will stay home, live better, and help their own country advance.
A great example of what happens with extreme offshoring is nuclear reactor or submarine prop metalurgy: these were outsourced to Toshiba in Japan I believe back in the mid eightys and any engineers who remembered how to do it are likely already dead…

Posted by: Simplicius | Dec 24 2022 17:20 utc | 294

@ Simplicius | Dec 24 2022 17:20 utc | 294
Over four decades of de-industrialization, off-shoring, JIT supply lines, & destroying STEM & education system, let alone the loss of foundation level required mass of technicians/machinists/foremen/project managers/etc … & now with restricted resource supply, reduced input products access & de-globalization …
Would have to move to a controlled wartime economy (Vampyres & Neocons say no!) & kick off expanded Manhattan Projects equivalents just to try to catch up in a decades time … in the meantime RF, China & Iran ramp up in response … the gap grows even wider … consequential societal cost & aggravated internal instability ?
Empire be collapsing before our eyes in real time.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:36 utc | 295

The economic preconditions for reindustrialization in the US are what will be bad.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 24 2022 16:47 utc | 293

Yes
In particular, the US weakness in the quality of STEM graduates will make reindustrialization extremely difficult
Posted by: Simplicius | Dec 24 2022 17:20 utc | 294

No.
Industrial “weakness” is not number or quality of STEM engineers. It is availability and quantity of raw material required for production of intermediate and finished goods.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 24 2022 18:13 utc | 296

On this post:
Precisely.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Dec 24 2022 18:21 utc | 297

Regarding the Outlaw US Empire’s economy, it’s the entire policy framework and who benefits outcomes that must be 100% overhauled from the current parasitic neoliberalism to Simon Patten’s Economy of Abundance and 1880s-1900 Republican Industrial Policy. Yes, a complete rebuild overhaul that kills the parasites while eliminating as much of the neoliberal imposed overhead costs to the economy as possible to make it competitive once again. And to understand how difficult that’s going to be, all one need do is look at what/who controls the political system. As Dr. Wolff noted in his remarks I cited on the non-Ukie thread, only when the politics changes will the economy also be able to be reformed. And that’s not going to happen soon. Maybe by 2040 the political conditions will be right. But by then, most of the Empire’s domestic energy resources will be depleted to the point where rebuilding a competitive industrial base will be very difficult. It’s entirely possible the USA could become an even larger basket case than the EU. To work within the energy assets time clock, the required political changes must occur by 2030 at the latest. And that’s just a sketch of the overall problem.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 18:53 utc | 298

Over four decades of de-industrialization, off-shoring, JIT supply lines, & destroying STEM & education system, let alone the loss of foundation level required mass of technicians/machinists/foremen/project managers/etc … & now with restricted resource supply, reduced input products access & de-globalization …

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:36 utc | 295
Yep, it took 40 years to get here, it will take some substantial portion of that to get back to some semblance of what we once built already. And in particular the industrial working class we once had is gone, the unions, the schools, the culture, it will take a generation or two, and a government that wants to govern to get it back. Not going to happen any time soon.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 24 2022 18:56 utc | 299

sln2002@296
No.
Industrial “weakness” is not number or quality of STEM engineers. It is availability and quantity of raw material required for production of intermediate and finished goods.

Bullshit. If that were true, Japan would have terrible engineering. They don’t. Good STEM graduates can OVERCOME scarecity of raw materials…

Posted by: Simplicius | Dec 24 2022 19:12 utc | 300