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December 23, 2022
What In Zelenski’s “Epic Piece Of Theater” Was “Daring” And “Bold”?

"Daring"?

Zelensky’s Weapons Wish List Goes Mostly Unfulfilled on Trip to WashingtonNew York Times – Dec 22, 2022

After his daring 10-hour dash to the nation’s capital on Wednesday, Mr. Zelensky left with nearly $2 billion in new arms and equipment — as well as a likely commitment from Congress for nearly $50 billion in additional aid next year.

What please is "daring" in taking an armored car ride from Kiev to Poland to jump onto a U.S. military plane for a non-stop flight to Washington DC?

Likewise "bold":

Zelensky’s role on the Washington stage is Ukrainian fighterWashington Post – Dec 21, 2022

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s bold Wednesday visit to Washington is an epic piece of theater designed to motivate multiple audiences — in the United States, Europe, Russia and Ukraine itself. The message is simple: With its own bravery in battle and the world’s help, Ukraine will prevail.

Baloney.

Larry reminds us of a similar visit 65 years ago that looked great (vid) but had an unhappy ending:

By the time of the coup, there were 12,000 advisers in Vietnam, but those who knew Diem best feel that neither he nor Nhu would ever have invited or allowed 550,000 American soldiers to fight in their country, and to permit the devastation caused by air attacks, including bombing and defoliation. There is evidence that shortly before the coup took place—and for several months afterward—the first tentative efforts were initiated both by the Saigon Government and the National Liberation Front to come to some sort of accommodation.

The coup against Diem had of course been arranged by the U.S. government:

The Pentagon's, secret study of the Vietnam war discloses that President Kennedy knew and approved of plans for the military coup d'état that over threw President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963.

“Our complicity in his overthrow heightened our responsibilities and our commitment” in Vietnam, the study finds.

Back in April, when Boris Johnson made it clear to Zelenski that the U.S. would not support any peace agreement with Russia, he may well have thought of Diem's fate. He decided to ditch the ongoing negotiations and to commit his country to the suicidal quest of beating the Russian army.

Accordingly Zelenski's "epic piece of theater" was "designed" to keep him alive and to fill his bank account plus those of the owners of the U.S. war industry.

Everything else be damned.

Comments

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 16:19 utc | 61
FYI about the media’s fawning in the US — https://kristenburroughs.com/?p=5293

Posted by: KR | Dec 23 2022 18:35 utc | 101

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 23 2022 15:38 utc | 46
SWIFT allows the USA to spy on or follow financial transactions. Kicking people off SWIFT blinds the empire to trade. Weponising money was a bad idea for empire.

Posted by: klutch kargo | Dec 23 2022 18:35 utc | 102

Posted by: Lex | Dec 23 2022 12:44 utc | 12
other air defence has worked. not well enough or it is being destroyed and needs replacement but the ‘allied side’ narrative that the allies have air dominance is clearly wrong and has been wrong all along.
‘our’ side, sadly, suffers from the same devotion to self serving propaganda as the other side, the Kiev side.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 18:38 utc | 103

Ze will join the ranks of the skripals where ever they might be.

Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 23 2022 18:41 utc | 104

Stockman’s in rare form today. LOL.

After the Zelensky Spectacle – Let the Partition Begin!
by David Stockman Posted on December 23, 2022
The spectacle in the US Capitol Building last night was downright retch-worthy. And we are not actually referring to the detestable little warmongering clown who preened at the podium in a sweatshirt and cargo pants, offering endless lies and hideously false promises about why American taxpayers and consumers are being bled to death in a pointless and unnecessary war.
No, we are referring to the pathetic gaggle of Representatives and Senators who applauded relentlessly and uproariously in response to the casuistry of the tinny poseur who stood before them, albeit one who should have never been granted that august platform in the first place.
After all, the mountebank who leads the rapidly decaying remnant of a nation that was never built to last anyway has been able to bring the world to the brink of economic catastrophe and even nuclear war for one reason alone: Namely, because the bipartisan duopoly on Capitol Hill has shoveled gargantuan sums of money into Ukraine and Washington’s proxy war on Russia with mindless negligence. …

Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 18:42 utc | 105

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Dec 23 2022 14:29 utc | 30
and 350 million americans just letting it all happen….

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 18:43 utc | 106

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 23 2022 15:38 utc | 46
SWIFT is just a money transfer-system as much as the dollar is just as any other currency. When it became politicized, it showed whom it belonged to.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 18:58 utc | 107

They want it. And the few critics don’t say it’s wrong, but that it’s too expensive.

Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 23 2022 19:00 utc | 108

Perhaps the man will change his t-shirt.
“I survived my trip to Washington”
Considering the drugs, firearms and mass shootings, the trip is arguably pretty daring.

Posted by: robin | Dec 23 2022 19:04 utc | 109

Posted by: G. Poulin | Dec 23 2022 15:58 utc | 53
Back in the 60′, liberal was something you might be in your personal life, but it was not in any fashion promoted by the US government.
The buzz-words back then were more like “conservative” and “responsible”, but most of all “Anti-communist”.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 19:12 utc | 110

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 16:03 utc | 55
Good post, good point. Yes. It at least has to be looked at as a possibility but it generally is not. We have a propaganda narrative on the ‘allied’ side of this conflict just as Kiev has on their side. Which surprises and saddens me. Because I thought we were on the side of sense, truth, reason and so on…. bit naive, eh?
The Kiev side is not in the desperate straights they’re always made out to be and the Allied side is not as all powerful as it is made out to be.
The allies do not have air superiority to where they can freely use their aircraft.
Russia has not been fighting this war, Donbas Ukrainians have and are.
Allied 10:1 artillery supremacy when measured in terms of effective supremacy via speedy response and accuracy drops to virtual parity.
Donetsk entrenchments are not a credible reason for lack of progress as demonstrated by Wagner who employ a simple and effective method of dealing with them.
The Russian military machine has areas of enormous shortcomings that sometimes put it on a level with third world armies.
The Russian military command structure and level of competence is at least sometimes abysmal.
No one of the allied observers/commentators really knows what the Russians are going to do and it seems apparent neither do the Russians but talk of massive attacks seem ludicrous. This ‘large scale’ war actually has platoons and small companies making street by street advances per week when going well… to move from this ability to sudden massive large scale successful penetrations is a joke.
Most probably the war will be terminated from the ‘top down’ by political machinations.
There are large factors unknown to us all to explain such as failure to even threaten to attack the Kiev dam. These large factors point to the real issues and operations behind the scenes.
MoA is about the best venue in the whole world for factual and cogent reports, sensible informative comment and discussion – and in fact about the only venue that can be described as such. Which is an indication of the size of the problem: a threat to the safety of the whole world, a war between one sane nation and rampant insanity on the part of half a hundred nations, and there is only one site concentrating on it! And it full of, as I say, ‘our side’ propaganda.
It parallels the covid madness. Exactly.
Madness and total abdication of democracy is stalking the western world and it largely stalks it unhindered, even unremarked.
It is at once an Orwellian, Blakean, Kafkaesque and I don’t know what else world…. and population sleeps on…

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:14 utc | 111

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 16:19 utc | 61
was that piano dick playing really zelenski?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:18 utc | 112

Bitler sends his Butler
From the linked British Pathé news video from 1957:

“Diem is only the second visitor the president has gone to meet on his arrival. King Saud was the first.”

Saudi Arabia has stopped paying back the courtesy.

Biden receives muted reception in Saudi Arabia. This is how previous US presidents were greeted

Contrast this to how President Xi of China was greeted in Saudi Arabia:

A warm handshake: Xi and Biden’s visits to Saudi Arabia compared

Zelensky was treated even worse. He was greeted at the airport by Biden’s butler, or “Chief of Protocol”, as he is formally known.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 23 2022 19:22 utc | 113

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 23 2022 17:46 utc | 87
this raises an interesting idea… how about russian intel services however/whatever they are start a programme of encouraging US ‘lend lease’ or ‘gifts’ to Kiev of equipment they know will actually cause problems for Kiev? An embarrassment of riches…

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:30 utc | 114

Posted by: Erelis | Dec 23 2022 18:07 utc | 92
Yes and on the Western propaganda front it is still a war of Ukraine v Russia.
Where I think the Allied side has missed and does miss a great opportunity and need to rebrand the conflict as what it really is: a conflict between 40 million Kiev Ukrainians and 10 million Donbas Ukrainians they seek to eliminate.
Seen in that light I would expect popular support and indifference to it throughout the west and especially in USA and UK to change somewhat.
But no one expends any effort trying to publish that view. Except Putin. Why? Mercouris, for instance, much vaunted, has consistently from the beginning always referred to it as a conflict between Ukraine and Russia. I maintain the promotion of this false narrative gives aid and succour to the enemy. Actually costs lives.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:36 utc | 115

Dear B,
Are you still labouring under the opinion that President Zelensky has been living and working in the real Kiev since Russia’s SMO began 10 months ago? Perhaps he has always been living and working in southeast Poland, in a movie-set place made up to look like Kiev, the whole time since late February. How would an armoured car have been able to take Zelensky from Kiev to the Polish border without being spotted by the Russians monitoring NW Ukraine with radar – and taking action to ambush and arrest the occupant/s?

Posted by: Jen | Dec 23 2022 19:41 utc | 116

@Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 19:12 utc | 110
That’s because the Overton Window of acceptable political views has moved so far to the right. By any proper assessment of his policies Clinton (gutted welfare, mass incarceration bill, deregulated Wall Street, deregulated trade, destroyed Yugoslavia), and certainly by his and his wife’s utterances (e.g. her typification of black youths as predators) was quite conservative. Obama has stated that in the 1980s he would have been a moderate Republican. Biden has always really been a Republican and loved hanging around with one the most misogynist and racist politicians of all time – a man he called a friend and who he gave the eulogy for at his funeral. Also in the pocket of DuPont who pretty much own the state that he represented, and the Pharma and Credit Card industries. His VP is an even worse corporate lackey.
With “liberals” now embracing the security state (just like LBJ), throwing free speech rights in the dustbin, giving only lip service to union rights, and actively using the legal system and media to undermine, attack and smear its opponents, current US “liberalism” is more a liberal fascism. The thin veneer of “identitarianism” can be seen when those with minority identities hold the “wrong” political views (i.e. they understand the centrality of political economy and class) are punished (e.g. Cornell West).
It reminds me of the book “Friendly Fascism” by Bertrand Gross, published in 1999 but so very prescient. Then of course there is always “Inverted Totalitarianism” by Sheldon Wolin. Maybe the US elites have learnt something from the Canadian elites – how to issue empty platitudes to your face (“feeling your pain” as Clinton was so good at imitating) while stabbing you in the back.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 19:47 utc | 117

Stonebird @4–
When I read b’s text, My mind’s eye gave me The Nutcracker and your pantomime comment was perfect IMO. Another would be Babes in Toyland.
The one question Zelensky needed to ask: When do I get to negotiate with Russia? But for that to happen, BidenCo need to tell Ukraine’s Duma to abolish its law preventing talks. Does anyone see that happening before June? I don’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 19:51 utc | 118

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 23 2022 16:31 utc | 65
“The US/EU cannot outproduce Russia and its allies” why not ? Do you have any hard evidence for this ? What is the real status of the Russian-military industrial complex ? I have seen such assertions stated with confidence for nine months now and have yet to see an attempt at providing facts and statistics to justify it. My gut feeling is that when combine US + EU they do have the means to outproduce or at least to stay even with Russia.
The weapons deployed in the field by the West are evidently superior in precision. So far the bulk of Russian weapons are 80s-stuff, be it T-62s or 2S7. The famed Armata remains a niche product. The SU-57 hasn’t been seen except for some mythical intervention a few months back. Remember also the vaunted Terminator, which would supposedly help the Russians to roll over the Donbass in August ? Or the newest T-90s ? Seems as if either they are in minuscule amount, giving credence to the notion that the Russian MIC is just as adept at boondoggles as its American counterpart, or they are ineffective.
Ukrainians have French and Swedish top-notch material. I do have the feeling the Russians are spending extraordinary amounts of ammunition but with equally extraordinary absence of precision and stupid amount of waste. It sure does not translate into any meaningful advantage on the ground, at least judging by the fact the Ukrainians are still solidly camping in Maryinka and Avdeevka a good 8 months after they were solemnly proclaimed as “in an operational cauldron” by our esteemed Saker.
So sorry to say it, but I feel we’re just in another exercise of wishful thinking where pro-Russian guys sit at the campfire, hoping for the magical event which will suddenly break the stalemate.

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 19:58 utc | 119

The one question Zelensky needed to ask: When do I get to negotiate with Russia? But for that to happen, BidenCo need to tell Ukraine’s Duma to abolish its law preventing talks. Does anyone see that happening before June? I don’t.
Well, he probably asked that in private, but he has to do the dirty job first. He is a basically a vessel for NATO to fulfil its wet dreams, that will stay just dreams.
But far before June, I think it’ll all turn into the NATO’s worst nightmare.
I can only foresee that NATO and US might be pushing and pleading RF for talks, real soon, jumping over Zelensky. He has no say, that is obvious.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 23 2022 20:01 utc | 120

karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 19:51 utc | 118
The whole western world is thinking that their “own” version of events are followed by all the others. BUT, they all have different scripts to read. There was a real place for this in London at one time called “bedlam”; The Madhouse.
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If Zelen wants “peace” (him or his handlers), I doubt that they will go through the legal niceties that Putin or the Russians would. Urgency has it’s own ideas about decorum.
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One assumption I think the US has made, that is tragic if true; is that the “game” plan means that they will continue to send in arms and men as if they were invisible. That the Russians won’t shoot back at obvious concentrations in surrounding countries ….because… there is NATO that has the US’s back, while the US has NATO’s back. Neither of which are sure fired things. On the other hand the US can and will fire and aim at Politicians, hospitals and civilians, (HIMARS) as this is the Penatgon way of warfare. (Shoot the easiest, those that don’t get out of the way first).
They may even be amassing forces and spouting PR narratives to cover it up, by talking about “lacks” and inefficiencies. (All the better to surprise you with “little red riding hood” Hiss, boo.).
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I think that the Russians should let Maria Zakharova read the bed-time stories on the eve of Christmas. The green clothed grinch would be feature.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 23 2022 20:21 utc | 121

@119 the magic moment is when ukraine launches the op to cut the land bridge at melitopal. Russia seems aware there’s a problem there and is trying to defend it, so the moment comes when they can bend to the offensive and then counter attacking and trap the attacking army via encirlement.
Draftees from the Donbas won’t cut it, the best formations from the regular army will need to prove their worth. If they can’t or won’t its over. Russia will have to surrender. And if Russia surrenders the color revolution comes to every Russian region right away afterwards.
Do or die. My money is on a Ukrainian offensive first, and that’s what Russia needs. It needs its enemy extended and vulnerable.
Any Russian offensive will be borderline treasonous. Nato has better insight to Russian forces than any Russian commander or Putin. Theyll see it a mile away and have the right stuff at the right place to counter every Russian weapon.
Russia has no advantages. Its best bet is to lure nato forces into Russian territory (not former Ukrainian territory) and nuke them into oblivion.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 23 2022 20:21 utc | 122

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 19:58 utc | 119
I do have the feeling the Russians are spending extraordinary amounts of ammunition but with equally extraordinary absence of precision and stupid amount of waste.
I do have a feeling all the dead UAF soldiers would disagree with you. Maybe they also would question the wisdom in using their precious HIMARS to kill civilians?

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 20:23 utc | 123

Without reading the speeches or watching the event, my first comparison was to the appearance of Giaido (sorry if my spelling is wrong) at one of the previous ‘State of the Nation’s — the traditional speech that the president of the US has previously given to assess how the country is faring. None of those recently has been anywhere near as accurate as are Putin’s so I have barely taken note of the US ones.
I suggest and hope that waiting for that traditional January address, when a new Congress will be in place was deemed impossible.
In this case,so much bloodier does the occasion represent that a red flag would have been more appropriate.
We need a million person march on Washington dedicated to Peace on Earth with speeches directed at the US Government, the operative theme song being:
“I Ain’t Gonna Study War No More!”

Posted by: juliania | Dec 23 2022 20:25 utc | 124

@91
Definitely agree with you.
This is not VN or Afghanistan or Itaq.
This is the Empire on Red Alert.
The end game is right here right now. I find it incredible that hardly anyone is aware.
Interestingly I have this weird feeling that the collapse of the West will happen and most people won’t realize the “Empire just collapsed”.
The entire debacle will be dressed up in a 🤡 suit and called a financial crisis.

Posted by: Cocochanel | Dec 23 2022 20:26 utc | 125

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 23 2022 20:01 utc | 120
Like someone noted earlier, it’s pretty clear that “Zelensky government” won’t ever negotiate on anything, excluding giving a show or pretense to the western audience to be negotiating to end the war.
Meanwhile in reality, US is putting all the building blocks on the ground to ensure that they get to continue a guerrilla war or whatever type of war they envisioned, and Zelensky can announce it from his Miami green room. Poland mobilizing 200k pretty much means that they or the professional army are there to pick up the slack.
Currently, if the MOD reports are anywhere near the truth the ukronato is losing a tremendous amounts of artillery guns and MLRS systems which are simply irreplaceable. The US is talking about producing shells but that’s the least of their worries currently. A high artillery disadvantage should theoretically ensure a disadvantageous rate of losses. Sure, they have Himars and they shoot at cities in the rear. The HIMARS are not as vulnerable as the shorter range artillery at or near the front, which are slow to move and much easier to single out.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 23 2022 20:33 utc | 126

I am pleased to report to the bar that the Russian Military Shop not only delivered my immaculate Russian Navy officers fur and water resistant Ushanka, they OVER DELIVERED with a few extra Christmas gifts. see,
https://russianmilitaryshop.com
They also found a way to beat the ‘sanctions’ Thank you Russian Military Shop.

Posted by: Paul | Dec 23 2022 20:35 utc | 127

killing Z is antisemitic

Posted by: tacopa | Dec 23 2022 20:37 utc | 128

@ Micron | Dec 23 2022 16:03 utc | 55
better get the west to supply the electrical units that are needed in ukraine at the moment.. i am sure they can produce these as well, like all the other talking points in your post highlight…

Posted by: james | Dec 23 2022 20:37 utc | 129

meanwhile, Newsweek published a story naming some republican legislators that (gasp) failed to stand and clap a few times for Zelensky during his speech. note, they stood on some occasions, but failed to do so EVERY SINGLE TIME the rest of the audience of war shills did.
and the New York Times trots out another story on the Bucha Massacre, purporting to show new details of phone logs and pictures (yeah those can’t be faked). maybe they will follow up with “proof” of the Saddam wmd’s they lied about for years

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 20:42 utc | 130

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 18:38 utc | 103
I meant “useless” in that it hasn’t changed the facts on the ground rather than it doesn’t work at all. My assumption is that in larger quantities than what has been given would be more effective but the problem becomes the ability to supply it in larger / large enough quantities. It’s why the Patriots aren’t a game changer either because the US simply can’t give enough of them to make a real difference, no matter how effective they might be.
I do think that there’s still enough air defense to keep the RAF mostly away, which is something but just shifting how Ukraine gets hammered. I think it also may be more of a choice than forced out of the sky given that there were plenty of reports early on about observed ground attack runs at close range by the RAF. Maybe the flooding of MANPADS is the determining factor there.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 23 2022 20:45 utc | 131

Posted by: KR | Dec 23 2022 18:35 utc | 101
bleecchhhhh. thanks. I think the media is outdoing itself in slavish bootlicking this time. not to mention our politicians.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 20:46 utc | 132

Jen@116….entire divisions of Ukie armour and armed men move freely about the Ukraine and Russia can’t even blow up a few rail bridges, which have known locations….how would they ever find one ambulance…er APC.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 20:47 utc | 133

Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 19:47 utc | 117
that might be:
Democracy Incorporated: Managed Democracy and the Specter of Inverted Totalitarianism
by sheldon wolin. ?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 20:48 utc | 134

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 20:47 utc | 133
yeah they move freely into the meatgrinder at Bakhmut, but they don’t don’t freely out of the meatgrinder at Bakhmut. odd, almost like not blowing up some of those rail bridges has a strategic purpose.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 20:50 utc | 135

So sorry to say it, but I feel we’re just in another exercise of wishful thinking where pro-Russian guys sit at the campfire, hoping for the magical event which will suddenly break the stalemate.
Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 19:58 utc | 119
I think so, too. In all the world is there not another venue at least equal to MoA and possibly even better, that the two may be compared to assist in approaching a realistic appraisal of things?
Look at what we accept for authoritative pronouncement: such as Brian Berletic. Nice chap. Cleve chap etc. But he makes no bones about it – he merely regurgitates and pontificates on the publications of the DoD and such. What right have we to expect any truth to reside in those publications?
Just as an example. And it doesn’t get better when you move on from Brian, it gets worse.
I find I get the best glimpses of truth when I take the trouble to translate pro Ukraine Telegram, gleaned from amidst their propaganda.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 20:56 utc | 136

AnnB@123….we know from LDNR sources that the HIMARs are very precise, precise enough to screw up a diner party far from the front. The Russians no sooner set up and a HIMARs rocket pays a visit, satellites, until Russia counters that there will be no big offensives from Russia….and every time Russia says, opps, killed some more civies you can bank those civies were bystanders near a military target…..really, propaganda runs both ways, even civilian administrators have short life spans in the newly liberated, unliberated, might get liberated again parts of the LDNR.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 20:57 utc | 137

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 23 2022 18:16 utc | 97
Thanks for the link, very interesting article.
All: William Schryver, also known as imetatronink on Substack, has a new post where he takes issue with the notion that there will be a negotiated settlement of the conflict which results in a partitioned Ukraine.
In for a Pound
Russia is in it to win it, and will settle for nothing less.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/in-for-a-pound
The money quotes:

Nevertheless, parting from the premise described above, Batchelor and Vlahos proceed to hypothesize a “peaceful solution” to the war in Ukraine founded in a Russia/NATO partition of Ukraine, with an undefined NATO-controlled western portion juxtaposed against what they indeterminately denominate “Novorossiya” in the east.
Frankly I was shocked by the proposition. In my judgment, it is not only geopolitically incoherent, but inexplicably naïve….
But I am thoroughly persuaded that the “solution” Batchelor and Vlahos propose would be utterly unacceptable to both parties – and would represent not only an unearned victory for NATO, but an unmitigated defeat for both Russian geostrategic interests and Vladimir Putin’s domestic political support.
Many geopolitical analysts have commented to a limited degree on Putin’s bold address to the world delivered even as Russian forces had commenced their “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine on February 24, 2022, but few, if any, have focused their attention on the equally portentous address Putin delivered three days earlier….
I submit we can confidently assume Putin was as deadly serious on February 21, 2022 as he was on February 24, 2022; that he was not bluffing; that he was resolved to “raise the stakes” commensurate to whatever was required to achieve the objectives he had so carefully articulated.
I submit that his domestic popularity AND the support of his generals correlates closely to the perception that he will not waver from those objectives, and that it has only been the misplaced sense that he might be failing, or at least stumbling, or that he might even pull back from his stated objectives that has resulted in meaningful criticism arising from his domestic supporters, be it in government, the military, or the general public….
It is for this reason I am convinced Putin’s Russia would never consider for a moment a proposal to bring this war to an end on the basis of a partition of Ukraine into NATO-controlled and Russian-controlled sections. Quite to the contrary, it is clear to me and a great many observers that Russia is now poised to win this war in a decisive fashion, and to then dictate to Ukraine and its western handlers the terms of surrender, the disposition of territories, and the conditions upon which peace in the region can be maintained going forward.
There is also very good reason to conclude Russia “really meant it” when they demanded that NATO pull back to its pre-1997 borders in Europe, and that they will not accede to any agreement with NATO that does not meet that precondition. That said, Russia need not reconquer the Warsaw Pact nations in order to achieve this objective. They need only to refuse to do business with them and the rest of Europe until they themselves shake off their vassal chains, exert their sovereignty, and construct a pan-European security structure independent of American hegemony.

I agree completely. The only part which is shaky is the part of the EU shaking off their vassal status, or at least that happening before war between Russia and NATO breaks out, if the article referenced above by OdessaConnected is correct.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 21:00 utc | 138

@ abrogard | Dec 23 2022 20:56 utc | 136
i think you typify a lot of folks following all of this.. many are looking for a quick fix.. they want to be told what is happening and how it is going to play out.. in this regard, there are a lot of fools on the internet expecting this sort of analysis and some analysts that are more then happy to give it too… in fact, i think a much bigger game is afloat, but those looking at the daily details will definitely miss it.. now as to what the bigger game is, some allude to finance.. i think this theory has a lot of merit.. after all, the war on russia has been in full stride for at least the last 10 years with all the financial sanctions, mysterious events ( all blamed on russia ) and etc. etc.. so now, we are closer to where the gloves are almost all off..
i really don’t believe a lot of folks see what is at stake here.. i do understand those who are looking at the daily details and being disappointed in the slow movement… but i am reminded of the idea of those who can’t see the forest for the trees and vice versa..

Posted by: james | Dec 23 2022 21:04 utc | 139

Posted by: Lex | Dec 23 2022 20:45 utc | 131
Yep, okay.
I wonder about the MANPADS, too. I wish I knew. I wish we had better reports. I’ve often wondered – and said it in this ‘bar’ here – about the RPG’s. Seems to me there’s a likelihood that the RPG’s, the MANPADS and the Drones have made this an entirely new war and that’s why all the strange hesitations, stops and starts and whatever.
Those and American satellite intel.
Russia and the Allied forces are well aware of this new paradigm, especially the soldier in the field, I think, judging by the Telegram stuff I see. Makes sense, why wouldn’t they be? It’d be very obvious on ground in the trenches etc.
I just hope the Russian high command is well aware and is coming to grips with it and I think they are.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 21:06 utc | 140

Will he come here or go to Canada and join the Ukrainian diaspora?
Posted by: A. Pols | Dec 23 2022 14:01 utc | 26
PM Crystia Freeland will make him Minister of Mental Health and addictions

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Dec 23 2022 21:07 utc | 141

@ Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 19:47 utc | 117
As Canadian PM Brian Mulroney’s cabinet minister John Crosbie used to say sincerity is the most important thing in politics and once you can fake that, you’ve got it made.
True to form, they lifted that from George Burns.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 23 2022 21:08 utc | 142

Scott Ritter on Henry Kissinger’s absurd negotiation concept:
Henry Kissinger’s Road Less Taken
The erstwhile peacemaker reveals the policies of the west could lead to the dissolution of Russia
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/henry-kissingers-road-less-taken
Money quote:

While Kissinger does not concede that Russia may have the upper hand in the fighting in southern Russia today, he does acknowledge that it is, in fact, Ukraine that finds itself stymied and in need of a viable off ramp from the current combat. “If the pre-war dividing line between Ukraine and Russia cannot be achieved by combat or by negotiation,” Kissinger notes, “recourse to the principle of self-determination could be explored. Internationally supervised referendums concerning self-determination could be applied to particularly divisive territories which have changed hands repeatedly over the centuries.”
The main problem with this line of thinking is that it postulates as possible the notion that Russia would be willing to freely surrender sovereignty over some or all the territories that have been incorporated into the Russian Federation since this conflict began. Simply put—this will not happen, because legally-speaking, it cannot happen—the Russian Constitution forbids it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 21:11 utc | 143

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 20:50 utc | 135
I suspect this ‘meatgrinder’ thing, too, until we get some more authoritative, checkable info.
More self deception on our part? Believing our own propaganda?
There’s two kinds of combat going on, in the main, isn’t there? Small ‘flying column’ ‘penetrations’ and street fighting.
No one is being ‘slaughtered’ or ‘ground up’ in the street fighting I think. That’s slow careful house by house street by street to and fro fighting with casualties I’d expect just about equal on both sides.
In the field those small penetrations we keep seeing vids of: four or five armoured vehicles, a couple of platoons of men. In the vids one vehicle will get blown up, two or three of the men killed. That’s it. There’s no massive ‘meat grinder’ slaughter like the Western Front there at all.
To get a ‘meat grinder’ you need massed attacks – where are they?
And after months of ‘meat grinding’ Kiev still exerts pressure all along the line? Aggressive pressure? And moves reinforcements without any apparent concern for shortages, without apparently creating any holes in the line?
this little possible misnomer is used to support a very large edifice indeed: the castle in the air of total Allied supremacy enough to make a massive onslaught a predictable event for the near future and the prophesied near collapse of the whole Kiev military machine.
it better be right.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 21:14 utc | 144

Meanwhile, here is the US attitude as reported at Antiwar.com:
Sen. Lindsey Graham Says Ukraine War Will Only End If Putin Is ‘Taken Out’
The hawkish senator says the US should give Ukraine Gray Eagle drones to ‘kill tons of Russians’
https://news.antiwar.com/2022/12/22/sen-lindsey-graham-says-ukraine-war-will-only-end-if-putin-is-taken-out/
Money quote:

“How does this war end? When Russia breaks, and they take Putin out. Anything short of that, the war’s gonna continue,” Graham said on the Fox News program America Reports on Wednesday.
Graham said the US is “in it to win it, and the only way you’re gonna win it is to break the Russian military and have somebody in Russia take Putin out to give the Russian people a new lease on life.”…He said if Ukraine had larger drones, such as Reapers and Gray Eagles, Ukraine would “kill tons of Russians without losing any Ukrainians in the endeavor.”

As Martyanov likes to say, “Well, there you go.” Unfortunately for this moron’s fantasy, if war breaks out between NATO and Russia, it is the US which will be broken, and it’s likely Biden will be “taken out.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 21:18 utc | 145

Has anyone had a chance to view Eric Draitser’s, of Counterpunch, ridiculous videos attempting to whitewash the Maidan coup and smear the Dontesk and Lugansk autonomous regions?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/23/what-happened-in-donetsk-luhansk/
Seriously, I highly encourage everyone to go to YouTube and flood his comments with truthful rebuttals to his many, many lies and distortions.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 23 2022 21:23 utc | 146

Thanks for the replies. IMO, it’s clear neither Biden nor Zelensky have agency–they cannot act on their own. Putin on the other hand appears to act on his own but in reality is the point-man in a collective. Look at his activities; when does he have time to do the sort of planning required to run Russia?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 21:25 utc | 147

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 21:14 utc | 144
even a Ukrainian general admits Russia has a vast advantage in artillery. 6-1 casualty rates seem very credible. people getting whacked en masse in trenches is a kind of combat, kinda like people getting killed by bombs and napalm. see Dresden the people getting killed by artillery bombardment are no longer able to fight. normally they would represent an additional cost if wounded, as they have to be transported to medical care, but I haven’t seen any authoritative checkable info that the Ukrainians are bothering much with that part.
I hope I have alleviated some of your concerns. If not, watch the following soothing video by Brian Berletic, about the one sided slaughter in Bakhmut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5EpNNwbRag

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 21:26 utc | 148

@Gerry Bell “So ‘an epic piece of theater’.. that’s like right up there with Eugene O’Neill and Sam Shepard, I guess…”
More like Samuel Beckett

Posted by: ian | Dec 23 2022 21:30 utc | 149

Re the US breaking as mentioned above, here is Martyanov’s comment from today:

Meanwhile, Russia and her “broken” economy continue to churn out cutting edge weapons and today the latest in the Project 677 “Lada” the submarine Velikie Luki was floated in St. Petersburg (in Russian). This is the third one of this class, two more are building and, evidently, future ones will have anaerobic propulsion. Naturally, all of these subs are carriers of not just torpedoes but 3M14 and 3M54. They are extremely silent and highly automated.
As I constantly explain to people who try to compare submarine fleets of Russia and the US that Russia always had a very large component of SSKs, which the US Navy doesn’t have. And just in the last 8 years Russia floated out 13 (thirteen) newest diesel-electric subs, all carriers of cruise missiles and extremely advanced platforms for operation in Russia’s littoral and remote sea zones. Six more, both of Pr. 636 and Pr. 677 are being built and will be floated out in 2023-2024. In all–19 subs. Not too shabby, eh? So, always keep in mind when comparing two submarine fleets, since USN doesn’t have SSKs and operates exclusively nuclear submarines. Russian Navy operates both. Just some food for thought for today.

The point being that a diesel submarine can carry carrier-killing – and city-killing – missiles (the missiles cited can carry nuclear warheads) just as well as a nuclear sub. (SSK was the United States Navy hull classification symbol for a diesel-electric submarine specialized for anti-submarine duties.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 21:30 utc | 150

Lindsey Graham, overcome by infatuation with his hero Zelensky, would like to see Vladimir Putin assassinated.
The Russians will have a plan for that contingency.
One possible response would be to view the assassination of the Head of State as as an immediate precursor to a pre-emptive nuclear strike by the USA. In which case Russia’s response to Putin’s assassination would be an instant massive all out nuclear attack on the USA.
The plans are already written, and whatever is in them will be actioned instantly.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 23 2022 21:31 utc | 151

CounterPunch publishes a wide spectrum of views, which is useful. A revealing article today sets out an “antiwar left” perspective which specifically differs from the Realist position espoused by Code Pink / Consortium News etc. It also announces a newly formed “Ukrainian Solidarity Network (U.S.)” This Network’s perspective espouses solidarity with “ordinary Ukrainians”, and is critical of westerners who have adopted Russian “narratives”. This perspective believes “Ukraine’s war of national defence and survival is legitimate, and entitled to get support wherever it can find it…”
I would say, after absorbing the whole of the article, this perspective is reminiscent in many ways to the western Left elements who supported the insurrection in Syria – claiming it was in fact some kind of anarcho-socialist revolution, that the jihadi influence was either minimal or could later be handled (after Assad’s removal), and that imperialist sponsorship of the “revolution” was, for once, enlightened. (L Proyect used to post on this site with that viewpoint).
On the events of 2014, this article claims: “there are reasons why the majority of Ukrainians from right-to-left on the political spectrum reacted furiously when Yanukovych made a last-minute switch from an agreement with the European Union to signing up with a Russian-organized Eurasian competitor. Ukrainian left activists don’t buy the “coup” story that it was all a CIA-State Department manipulation.”
This perspective entirely misses that the EU Association Agreement was a neo-liberal capitalist straitjacket centered on a harsh austerity program directed at “ordinary Ukrainians”. In turn, the author seems entirely unaware of Zelensky’s unitary decrees banning political opposition, banning labour unions, and opening the country to a corporate-multinational fire sale. Instead, claiming to be the true voice of the antiwar Left, this perspective identifies “solidarity” with Ukraine as support for a “chosen course of armed struggle to protect their nation, and the partial democracy they’ve achieved, over surrender and enslavement”.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/23/making-sense-of-a-senseless-conflict/

Posted by: jayc | Dec 23 2022 21:38 utc | 152

Today, Putin is in Tula “Meeting with heads of defense industry organizations”. Prior to the meeting, Putin visited one of Tula’s institutions:
“The Instrument Design Bureau, established in 1927, is today a multidisciplinary organization [of the] military-industrial complex of Russia, which specializes in the development of weapon systems of the tactical combat zone: air defense systems, anti-tank missile systems and lightly armored weapons systems equipment and tanks, artillery complexes of guided weapons, interspecific missile systems.”
At the link are 7 photos taken of Putin’s tour of the Institute’s internal museum.
Here’s Putin’s short statement to the executives present. The remainder of their discussion is classified:

Vladimir Putin: Dear colleagues,
We meet you in the legendary city, in the city of gunsmiths-in Tula. Heads of companies and enterprises located throughout Russia – from the Far East, Siberia, and the Urals to the European part-gathered here.
The governor and I have just visited the Instrument Design Bureau, which develops high-precision and other weapons, including armored vehicles, and now, of course, we will discuss all the topics that we are concerned about and are interested in and that we have been working on quite intensively over the past months.
The most important and key task of the military-industrial complex enterprises is to provide our units and advanced units with everything they need: weapons, equipment, ammunition, and equipment, and in the required volume and quality in a short time. In addition, it is important to improve and significantly improve the characteristics of weapons and equipment of our fighters, taking into account the combat experience gained.
Today I am waiting for you to make relevant reports after our previous meetings-with some colleagues separately and all together, remember, we met. I would like to hear from you suggestions on how to solve problematic issues – there can be no such large-scale, large-scale work-and suggestions on how we will move forward, what we will do to ensure that these problems are as small as possible.
A separate and extremely important issue is the provision of feedback by defense industry organizations with units that participate in a special military operation. I know, and I spoke about it recently – yesterday, in my opinion, that your specialists, engineers of many enterprises, go directly to the front line, help quickly restore damaged equipment, return it to service, check how it works, how it operates, how it fights, and designers make changes to standard models to improve their characteristics as we saw today at the company we visited.
I would like to emphasize that such a mechanism for exchanging information to improve the quality of military products supplied for a special military operation should be constant and as effective as possible. This practice has been established for a long time, including the use of our weapons in the fight against terrorist gangs in Syria. I know that your employees and colleagues also went to Syria, made decisions on the spot, and worked, and this work was very effective and continues very effectively.
And of course, I expect that, as in previous years, as well as this year, in 2023, the tasks of the state defense order regarding the production and supply of weapons, military and special equipment will be completed in full.
In conclusion, I would like to thank the heads and staff of the defense industry enterprises for their conscientious work, for their real contribution to strengthening Russia’s defense capability and security, and wish you success for the benefit of the Motherland and our people. And of course, I would like to take this opportunity to conclude by saying once again that I would like to congratulate you on the upcoming New Year’s holidays.

Here’s The roster of those attending this meeting. As you’ll see, there are many private companies that aren’t state-owned–although the state may hold a minority ownership–as I’ve mentioned before. Note that Medvedev has already returned from China.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 21:45 utc | 153

@ pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 20:42 utc | 130
A repost from an earlier thread:

More Than Half of House Republicans Didn’t Attend Zelensky’s Address
More than half of House Republicans didn’t attend Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s Wednesday night address to Congress, The Hill reported on Thursday.
According to The Hill, 86 out of 213 House Republicans were at the Capitol for Zelensky’s speech. While some of the absences could be explained by lawmakers getting an early start on Christmas travel, as about a third of House members had active letters to vote by proxy on Wednesday, there is growing opposition to the policy of arming Ukraine among Republicans. …

Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 21:48 utc | 154

Posted by: jayc | Dec 23 2022 21:38 utc | 152
Also see my comment #146 regarding Counterpunch. The majority of their articles on Ukraine are terrible and basically NATO propaganda-lite.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 23 2022 21:50 utc | 155

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 21:14 utc | 144
If you look at videos from Bakhmut (both Russian and UA side) you can see the areas where they are fighting in are completely in rubble. Do the ukies have underground trenches and bunkers there? Don’t know, but probably not, the trenches, if there were any, were most likely in front of the urban areas, not inside. And it’s hard to dig concrete. If so, they are mostly on ground level, excluding potential basements.
That fight somewhat does resemble Stalingrad, but there’s not a similar risk of flank attacks as in the 1942 Stalingrad. The ukies are weaker in the surrounding areas of Bakhmut than in the urban conglomeration. The state of the urban areas indicate that they have been bombarded several times. Most likely because more defenders keep pouring into those areas time after time. There are also videos that Russians use widespread incendiary weapons on those urban areas. They can hide in the rubbles but the burning stuff always has a chance to find a way through cracks and crevices. Like said I don’t know whether they have actual underground covered bunkers there, I’d just guess not.
Two good links on Bakhmut, they’re Greek but translate to English.
US mercenaries trapped in Bakhmut.
https://shorturl.at/owUV0
Colossal losses in Bakhmut, Zelensky sends a new force of 2500
https://shorturl.at/ltHY4

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 23 2022 21:53 utc | 156

The Wagner PMC troops continue to move towards #Kleshchiyevka⚡️
The next difficult Defence Node of the AFU south of #Bakhmut. The complexity of its assault is due:
▪️ height difference;
▪️ developed system of strongholds around the village;
▪️ readiness of the territory of the settlement itself for a long-term defense.
In #Kleshchiyevka, communication passages are dug between houses, the terrain is mined, fortifications and long-term firing points are created, and anti-tank hedgehogs and other engineering obstacles are placed in the streets.
Of particular difficulty is a large stronghold northwest of #Kleshchiyevka. It is located on a hill, and both the territory of the village itself and its surroundings to the southeast, located in a lowland, are well shot from it. In addition, the stronghold is covered by a reservoir from the northern part of the settlement.
Therefore, despite the relatively small size of #Kleshchiyevka, one should not expect its assault to be an easy walk. But the fighters of the Wagner PMC are prepared for that.
https://t.me/sitreports/2378

Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 22:02 utc | 157

Gonzalo Lira has a new video out. He makes a case for Poland entering Ukraine and the neocons using Poland as the next proxy force against Russia to keep the war going after Ukraine itself loses. Lira makes the point that this is how Turkey got into the Syria conflict – it’s a neocon specialty to egg on another nation to involve itself in a conflict in order to keep the conflict going and weaken the neocons’ adversary (in this case, Russia.)
2022.12.23 Will Poland Be The Next Proxy—I Think Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpdJ_FXHiPk
In my view, while there has been some mention of Poland recently, I haven’t seen enough analysis of its actual military moves. Perhaps b could take a look at that and give us an update on what Poland is saying, doing, and is actually capable of doing, especially if it gets supported by the US as Lira suggests.
An example of some absurdity in this regard:
Ukraine war pushes Poland to train civilians as soldiers for a military mighty enough to challenge Russia
Zelensky meets with Poland’s president to talk ‘strategic plans’ on way home from US
Biden to visit Poland as Putin changes war tactics
Czech Republic, Poland Set New Rounds Of Military Aid To Ukraine
Poland’s top general, armed with ‘suitcases’ full of money, looks to replenish stocks

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 22:04 utc | 158

I was remarking to myself earlier today what an unconvincing warrior Lindsey Graham makes.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 23 2022 22:05 utc | 159

@dh Kissing Nancy Pelosi must have been pretty scary.”
C’mon, give mummy a kiss – literally.

Posted by: ian | Dec 23 2022 22:05 utc | 160

@malenkov | Dec 23 2022 15:41 utc | 47
No, “its” is closer to SWIFT than to US
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 23 2022 15:51 utc | 49
So the poster made a common grammatical error. Btw, it’s not so much the closeness as the order in which dollar vs swift appear. Reverse their order & the sentence works.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 23 2022 22:11 utc | 161

Funny, even after 10 month, doomer like moaobserver and micron can’t get their little brain around the fuckin Fakt that this is not nomansland. People (Russians) are living there. Ukreich is using them as meatshild.
So the russkis suck they say
If they were human trash like Anglo-Saxons this would be no problem of course.

Posted by: Kartoschka | Dec 23 2022 22:12 utc | 162

Zelensky only wore his sweatshirt instead of a suit to congress because he says some bald guy in a dress stole his suitcase at the airport.

Posted by: PhCheese | Dec 23 2022 22:18 utc | 163

Micron-Utz @117
Looks like you’re up to your usual tricks. (why haven’t the Russians used their newest and best?) Couple points of information: (1. The Ukie men and equipment, to say nothing of other significant elements do not pose a sufficient threat-level to make for any need to use their newest and best. (2. Why let the U$$A and NATOstanis get advanced intelligence on their more highly developed systems. and (3. Ground has yet to freeze deeply enough to activate General Winter and the major Russian advance…which will NOT occur in the heavily urbanized Donbass region.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 22:20 utc | 164

⚡️ The Polish publication 🇵🇱 Niezależny Dziennik Polityczny writes: “Ukrainian refugees are full of nationalists who hate, rob and kill Poles”.
More than 3.5 million Ukrainian refugees have arrived since the beginning of the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. But there is also something that has not yet been said out loud. Many of them are followers of Ukrainian nationalism. And in the last eight years they have become accustomed to solving all problems with radical methods.
Polish society is beginning to face this with full force. Theft of valuables and furniture from the flats of Poles, beatings on roads and car parks with rape, demonstrative disregard of national traditions and customs, destruction of monuments, murders – this is not the whole list of crimes committed by Ukrainian refugees in Poland.
https://t.me/Eurekapress/8284

Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 22:21 utc | 165

Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 22:04 utc | 158
Poland is gearing up for war. Perhaps they will simply be fed into the Russian artillery, but Putin has given them the nod to grab Galicia. Will be interesting to see which way it goes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 23 2022 22:22 utc | 166

Neofeudal@122
Quite easy to see that you are living in the past…later Dark Ages to be sure. How anyone can even pretend to begin to believe that the Russians are on the skids, as you keep shouting? Rather, the opposite is the case. Ukraine is on its last legs…so Mr. Piano-Dick makes his Hegira to the Di$trict of Corruption where he puts on a show, gets showered with applause by a nest of treasonous prostiticians and then gets one whole Patriot system to recreate his air defenses.
Do you know a goddamned thing about military reality or of geopolitical struggle? One wouldn’t think you are doing anything beyond collecting a paycheck.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 22:29 utc | 167

SCI’s editorial about this event aligns with most MoA opinions. IMO, its best line is its description of Z’s “Congressional audience” as a pack “of clapping seals,” which would make a great CGI visual. Thankfully the editor wrote the following words that I’ve had at the front of my mind:
“In reality, what took place in Washington this week and the moronic words spoken were an abomination of Christmas. There is no goodwill for humanity, no desire for peace, and no celebration of transcending historical injustice. It’s all about promoting war, death and human suffering with smug and deluded sanctimony. The antithesis of Christmas.’
But then, that what the Outlaw US Empire’s been all about sine 1945–Yes, it’s been going on that long.
/

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 22:33 utc | 168

The world does not become other than we make it. Thus Ze’s congressional appearance inspired
“Multiple standing ovations from enthusiastic US lawmakers.”
Perhaps Ze should tour? England, Latvia, maybe Germany? Following the US government’s rousing welcome, Dante is re-drawing Hell’s plan. One more sub-basement: for arms dealers who pose as world leaders.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 23 2022 22:33 utc | 169

It appears linking to Strategic Culture as I just tried blocks your comment from both preview and posting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 22:34 utc | 170

An examination of the UKUSA intentions, its historic roots, and the role of its vassals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnU2g-5dvg4
John Helmer, Matt Ehret, Michael Werbowski.
40 minutes and brilliant analysis of geopolitics.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 23 2022 22:46 utc | 171

Posted by: A. Pols | Dec 23 2022 14:01 utc | 26
The greasy grifter is going to go to the west coast and set up some sort of “Zelensky Center For World Peace”, much like Gorbachev. It will be lavishly funded by the Hollywood elite. He’ll probably rin for Governor of CA, and win.

Posted by: Thirdtwin | Dec 23 2022 22:48 utc | 172

Collins @146
Counterpunch lost me as a reader shortly after the Twin Towers (and building 7) takedown by some combination of the Talmudist neocons, the Agency and Mossad, when their chief honcho, Alex, assured us that it was accomplished by seven Arabs with boxcutters , while their leader’s drivers license mysteriously wafted down to a sidewalk and was duly picked up, in pristine condition by some cop on the beat…and as Lucky Larry hollered out “Pull It” and Building Seven magically heeded his secret password and promptly collapsed into its own signature.
If you take a quick look at the name Draitser, and recognize surnames a bit, you will quickly see the underlying reason why Draitser is indeed part of the dirty dozen Tribalist imperialist creeps who haunt communications mediums. After all, control over the message is a requisite for control over the population…as least of the mindfucked dupes who regularly go to Counterpunch and get schnockered on the fact that the punch has been thoroughly spiked.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 22:49 utc | 173

Citizen Smith @151
The smarmy little quean, Lindsay Graham would love to have some personal time with Zelensky to be schooled by that little actor as to how he too could come on like some rough-voiced Butchie. Z. might hafta reveal that the voicing (and probable loss of the septum) would require the constant and consistent schnorkeling of that nice white powder. With the proper coaching and development, sweet Lindsay too could proudly strut in tee-shirt and tight pants. His warbly little voice would give the show away, however. Once a quean is always a quean.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 22:56 utc | 174

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 19:58 utc | 119
Micron have you recently seen the sad footage of new Ukrainian military graveyards?

Posted by: Milos | Dec 23 2022 23:00 utc | 175

The Duran guys decide that a war between NATO and Russia is almost inevitable. Christoforou says there basically is no other option.
Russian military prepares for conflict with neocons and NATO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021JkYHJy1Y
Mercouris explicitly states that it’s clear Russia will be incorporating Ukraine resources into the Russian Federation, as three of the new Russian military divisions will be created in Ukraine. I’m inclined to consider that evidence that Russia will be incorporating all of Ukraine into the Federation rather than bother creating an “independent” Ukrainian government after the war. Mercouris also says that NATO, much like Germany in 1914, will have to decide whether to try to defeat Russia now or be overwhelmed by the new Russian militarization. He points out that NATO has serious problems with matching the Russian build-up at the same time as trying to deal with China’s rise. He wonders if Europe can back down like they did in the 1960’s – but today there are neocons in control. He also points out that the West can’t outspend Russia like it did in the first Cold War – because now there is China. Alec pushes back by saying the neocons just don’t think like that – the neocons have decided there is a clear path to weaken and dismember Russia and they’re going for it. Alex says the Pentagon won’t allow WWIII, but the neocons will. Mercouris says the West is 5-10 years behind Russian mobilization. And up to now, the neocons have gotten more gear to Ukraine than the Pentagon wanted. He concludes that the only way the neocons can “win” is to send US troops in – and this is already being discussed in the UK. The question is what will happen when it gets to that point? Will the Pentagon put their foot down – or will it be a close thing?
The Russian military expansion really is a major deal. To use the well-worn phrase, it’s a “game changer.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 23:07 utc | 176

aristodemos @173
I largely agree with you; however I’m not willing to take the step of implicating all Jews, American or Israeli, in the overall plot.
I’ve lost faith in Counterpunch, but they occasionally post and cross-post some good criticisms of the US and Israel like this one today: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/23/how-the-new-york-times-mythologizes-us-israeli-relations/
Sorry if off-topic. One note on that piece: He avoids any discussion of Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which has subsequently proven to be true despite a total media blackout of the topic (see: Mintpress News FOIA’d/declassified FBI docs prove Mossad had foreknowledge).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 23 2022 23:08 utc | 177

@167
I’m just following the facts as I see them. If it says russia is on the skids then that’s what I see.im just tired of seeing the fan boy tunnel vision. That arrogance led russia into this pit and now they have a tiger by the tail.
And ukraine is wrecked that’s clear, once the aid stops it collapses. But the war doesn’t stop with ukraine- the US can use Poland Romania the Baltic, the caucuses and lose each time and try again because it has unassailable geopolitical advantages by controlling North America.
And the US needs russian nukes and space program gone so the project for the new American century can be completed. That’s the strategy the US has and ukraine is completely expendable in this pursuit. Frankly all of Europe is.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 23 2022 23:12 utc | 178

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 23 2022 21:26 utc | 148
You miss the point, resort to feminine sarcasm and in fact border on total ad hominem. You’ll perhaps understand if I ignore you in future.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 23:23 utc | 179

@Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 20:48 utc | 134

that might be:
Democracy Incorporated: Managed Democracy and the Specter of Inverted Totalitarianism
by sheldon wolin. ?

Yes.

Posted by: Riger | Dec 23 2022 23:25 utc | 180

” I largely agree with you; however I’m not willing to take the step of implicating all Jews, American or Israeli, in the overall plot.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 23 2022 23:08 utc | 177 ”
However, I’m sure you have no problem implicating all Ukranains, Americans, Poles, Swedes, Brits etc ……..

Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Dec 23 2022 23:25 utc | 181

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 20:57 utc | 137
If I am to accept a drink from a mythological creature, he must at least get my name right.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 23:25 utc | 182

@Posted by: Riger | Dec 23 2022 23:25 utc | 180
Typed a but too fast …

Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 23:26 utc | 183

” Micron have you recently seen the sad footage of new Ukrainian military graveyards?
Posted by: Milos | Dec 23 2022 23:00 utc | 175 ”
I’m sure seeing that is as sad as seeing all the new Russian graves.

Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Dec 23 2022 23:27 utc | 184

Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 21:48 utc | 154
Nice to know. An encouraging sign perhaps. Thank you.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 23:30 utc | 185

A very good discussion from Scott Ritter with “Through the eyes of”, I skipped the interviewer when she went on a bit. Some highlights:
– Russia is about to destroy the Ukrainian military in a very bloody way, over by mid 2023 then Ukie/West allowed to surrender or further bloody war
– Europe will collapse during 2023 trying to refill their gas (using LNG at 6 times the price of the Russian gas they used in 2022) or as the lights go out in winter 2023-2024
– Russia has given up on Europe
– The US and Russia have patriotism and a “readiness to fight for your country”, quite possibly the Poles (idiotically) the Western European probably don’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqxFiy7-PaU

Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 23:33 utc | 186

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 21:06 utc | 140
What is it about the RPG’s that make you wonder? Do you know what an RPG is, and if so their history in war? Perhaps I am missing something, but RPG’s aren’t a recent innovation and I have seen no evidence they are being used in a new or innovative way.
As far as MANPADS and ATGM goes, I have been saying since 2005 when Hezbollah took down Isreal that they were a “game changer” in how many wars will be fought. They allow for a normally soft hitting light infantry grouping to pack some serious punch. This generally benefits the defender more than the attacker.
I don’t think Russia is going to do an offensive in the near future. As I stated a few months back, Russia is settling in for defense which IMO is the prudent thing to do.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 23 2022 23:39 utc | 187

Most Republicans did not show up for the speech and some that did sat on their hands while the others stood up and hailed Caesar…
Most US House Republicans snubbed Zelensky’s speech
JKF was clearly pulling out of ‘Nam. Glorious history hung the war around his neck but the main reason he was killed is that he was pulling out completely…
“On October 5, 1963, at a meeting at 9:30 AM, Kennedy made the formal decision to implement the withdrawal plan. Again, we have the tape. On October 11, the White House issued National Security Action Memorandum 263, which speaks of ‘the implementation of plans to withdraw’ troops from Vietnam.
JFK Had Ordered Full Withdrawal from Vietnam: Solid Evidence
The policy was reversed the Monday after his assassination.
Was JFK’s Vietnam Withdrawal Policy Changed :
It is detailed in the documents NSAM 263, NSAM 273 and NSAM 288. His speech on US involvement in Southeast Asia given when he was in Congress is stunningly accurate. I suggest the interested look it up.
Anyone who stands against the MIC then and now are targets.

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 23 2022 23:47 utc | 188

Anne B@182…my apologies, faeries stole me glasses…..so I’m drinking straight from the bottle….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 23:50 utc | 189

Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Dec 23 2022 23:27 utc | 184
I’m sure seeing that is as sad as seeing all the new Russian graves.
You must find them first, and that will be more than western MSM have managed. Go on – show us!

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 23:52 utc | 190

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 23 2022 19:36 utc | 115
Relabeling the conflict is not going to change a single thing in the west, I don’t know how anyone would even think that possible given the state of the media?
The conflict is between Russia and NATO, anything else is a false narrative.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 23 2022 23:53 utc | 191

Interesting to compare Zelinsky’s trip to Washington to Diem’s trip there in 1957. Of course, Diem was murdered in US backed coup just a few years later.
There is another good Vietnam comparison to Zelensky’s trip. After the US signed the Paris cease fire agreement in 1972 which guarenteed that the north Vietnamese would eventually prevail over the South, Nixon invited puppet President Thieu for a visit to Washington DC in an effort placate him. He was given the red carpet treatment but, at least the US Congress was by that time so sick and tired of the Vietnam War they didn’t invite Thieu to address a joint session. Thieu was right to be unhappy, just a year couple years later the North overrun the entire South which was capped off by those glorious images of the US embassy staff fleeing on helicopters from the roof of the Saigon embassy.
I wonder what spectacular images will immortalize Zelinsky’s inevitable fall. The last days of US occupation of Afghanistan produced some good images, it would be fitting if Zelinsky could produce some better ones.

Posted by: Toivos | Dec 23 2022 23:55 utc | 192

Link to editorial Karl writes of:
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/12/23/zelensky-comes-to-hollywood-er-washington/

Posted by: suzan | Dec 23 2022 23:57 utc | 193

Posted by: Roger | Dec 23 2022 23:33 utc | 186
“The US and Russia have patriotism and a “readiness to fight for your country”, quite possibly the Poles (idiotically) the Western European probably don’t.”
Very astute. ‘My side is patriotic and ready to fight. My enemies are not patriotic and will not fight.
Except those that are stupid. They don’t realise that patriotism and fighting for your country is stupid’
We will see how far that level of intelligence gets you.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 24 2022 0:00 utc | 194

Test.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 24 2022 0:01 utc | 195

Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Dec 23 2022 23:25 utc | 181
I don’t even understand what your comment was meant to convey. No, I do not implicate most working Americans for the policies put in place against their wishes by a mostly unelected or corporate-bankster-owned elected few. Same applies in any country.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 24 2022 0:02 utc | 196

Wonder how many of these charcters uttering confident assertions of Russia either losing or settling for Donbass will be back here to admit they were wrong when that doesn’t happen. Of course, they won’t be because they have zero intellectual integrity, they’re just here to be contrarian because that’s all they know how to behave on the Internet and probably in real life as well.
I will be here to admit I was wrong if any of what they say actually does occur.
For now – fuck ’em.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 0:04 utc | 197

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 23 2022 23:50 utc | 188
well, then – cheers from this old, prickly hag.
Here’s some Christmas spirits of a different kind:
Aurora in Nidarosdomen
This is for all – leprechauns, trolls and old hags a like.
Some say she is a fairy, but us Norwegians know she is a Huldra

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 24 2022 0:06 utc | 198

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 23 2022 21:53 utc | 156
Yes, thanks for that.
I’ve seen such videos. It’s pretty awful but it is what we would expect and we see nothing that makes a ‘meat grinder’ of it do we?
‘meat grinder’ the way it used here doesn’t mean soldiers are dying it mean disproportionately they are dying on one side: on the Kiev side. Like the Duke of York’s troops marching up Bunker Hill. Like Ypres or Mons.
When we listen there’s no sound of furious ongoing heavy bombardment. There’s not even the sound of many heavy machine guns. There’s no light mortar rounds going off all the time.
We’d expect that all around all the time in a heavy engagement: from both sides.
In this kind of ‘meat grinder’ we’d expect to see it going one way only.
Here was see Kiev troops taking their time sheltering behind a civilian vehicle! Light 1.6mm steel sides. Almost anything would pierce it from .223 to shrapnel. They are sheltering from line of sight, not from flying steel – hence they’re not too worried about flying steel.
Yes, the place is in ruins. Both sides created those ruins. Maybe mainly the Allied side with their vaunted 10:1 superiority in artillery. But destroying buildings doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve destroyed any troops and if they were being killed at such a rate that you would call it ‘meat grinding’ we’d expect to have heard much about it by now – from the Kiev side, that their men are being buried alive in buildings.
Not happening.
In fact we see here mercenaries (supposedly very well trained, pro active, experienced soldiers, in a ruined landscape shouting to ‘get in the building! When there’s cover littering the ground for acres around. A man would be safe on the ground amongst that rubble almost anywhere. But go into the only building for miles around? When you’ve already been spotted and targeted? Surely you’d expect to be made a target for anything from small arms to artillery if you did that?
But they do it. Why? Because – I guess – they know the duel they’re in and it’s small arms fire all around and that’s the optimal cover – where they can move from firing point to firing point quicker and safer than rolling and scrambling around on the ground and can reload magazines, tend wounds perhaps, consult with each other and HQ and so on..
Which is not being ‘ground down’ is it?
Disinformation is king in a war isn’t it?
This narrative: Bakhmut meat grinder suits the purposes of both sides perhaps. Bolsters the self esteem of the Allied side and supporters and lulls them into a false sense of security.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 0:11 utc | 199

Posted by: Micron | Dec 23 2022 16:03 utc | 55
Yes, of course, that great industrial powerhouse, Europe, with not enough energy to keep their people warm, will start up huge new production lines to make up the mish-mash of artillery shells need for European, U.S. and Russian designed varieties.
And the U.S. will gather up as much “Global Components” (read China) to assemble more and more stuff to mark up by a factor of 10 times the cost to send to Ukraine.
Russia can be faulted to have mistakenly believed that Europe and the U.S. were reasonable. Now Russia knows they have to take all of Ukraine, at whatever cost necessary.
There are no Diplomats or Statesmen in the West, so the Iron Fist will set the terms.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 24 2022 0:13 utc | 200