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December 14, 2022
U.S. To Send More Wunderwaffen To Ukraine

A new round of Wunderwaffen deliveries to Ukraine is taking place. It is unlikely to change the strategic or even operational picture of the war.

The U.S. and its 'allies' are engaged in a boil-the-frog operation in which they steadily increase the lethality and complexity of arms and other support they deliver to Ukraine. At some point in time this process will cross Russian red lines. That's when it will become really interesting

The newest gimmick to be deployed is the Patriot air defense system likely soon to be followed by main battle tanks:

The U.S. is poised to approve sending a Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, finally agreeing to an urgent request from Ukrainian leaders desperate for more robust weapons to shoot down incoming Russian missiles, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

The approval is likely to come later this week and could be announced as early as Thursday, said three officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision is not final and has not been made public. Two of the officials said the Patriot will come from Pentagon stocks and be moved from another country overseas.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pressed Western leaders as recently as Monday to provide more advanced weapons to help his country in its war with Russia. The Patriot would be the most advanced surface-to-air missile system the West has provided to Ukraine to help repel Russian aerial attacks.

During a video conference on Monday, Zelenskyy told host Germany and other leaders of the Group of Seven industrial powers that his country needed long-range missiles, modern tanks, artillery, missile batteries and other high-tech air defense systems to counter Russian attacks that have knocked out electricity and water supplies for millions of Ukrainians.

He acknowledged that, “Unfortunately, Russia still has an advantage in artillery and missiles.”

Well, yes, the artillery advantage the Russian army has in the current battle for Bakhmut is nine to one or even higher:

“For every artillery piece we have, they have nine,” said one soldier.

NATO no longer has the equipment and ammunition reserves to change that.

As for the Patriot, the "Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept on Target": Training for them takes quite some time and unless Ukrainians have already been secretly trained on them for several months they will have to be deployed with NATO soldiers or 'former' soldiers to have any effect:

Asked about training, Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said that in general the U.S. takes those needs into consideration when providing complicated weapons systems to Ukraine, such as the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, known as HIMARS. Currently U.S. forces are training Ukrainian troops on a number of systems, including the HIMARS, in other European countries, such as Germany.

The entire system, which includes a phased array radar, a control station, computers and generators, typically requires about 90 soldiers to operate and maintain, however only three soldiers are needed to actually fire it, according to the Army.

The HIMARS missiles, the previous Wunderwaffen, are now routinely shot down by Russian missile and air defense systems:

The anti-aircraft defence forces shot down two drones in the areas of Zhytlovka and Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic).

In addition, two HIMARS MLRS rounds were intercepted near Perovomaysk (Lugansk People's Republic) and a HARM rocket near Makarovka (Kherson region).

The Patriot battery to be deployed to Ukraine is likely one of those that the U.S. currently has in Poland. A German Patriot unit will be deployed to replace it.

The phased array radar that Patriot systems use are good but they are also a weakness. They are visible from satellites with Synthetic Aperture Radar. As researchers have found some years ago:

Amid a busy few weeks of nuclear-related news, an Israeli researcher made a very surprising OSINT discovery that flew somewhat under the radar. As explained in a Medium article, Israeli GIS analyst Harel Dan noticed that when he accidentally adjusted the noise levels of the imagery produced from the SENTINEL-1 satellite constellation, a bunch of colored Xs suddenly appeared all over the globe.

SENTINEL-1’s C-band Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) operates at a centre frequency of 5.405 GHz, which conveniently sits within the range of the military frequency used for land, airborne, and naval radar systems (5.250-5.850 GHz)—including the AN/MPQ-53/65 phased array radars that form the backbone of a Patriot battery’s command and control system. Therefore, Harel correctly hypothesized that some of the Xs that appeared in the SENTINEL-1 images could be triggered by interference from Patriot radar systems.

Using this logic, he was able to use the Xs to pinpoint the locations of Patriot batteries in several Middle Eastern countries, including Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia.


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While SENTINEL-1 images of Ukraine will now likely be censored there is no need for Russia to use those. It has its own SAR systems:

Kondor, GRAU index 14F133, is a series of Earth imaging or military reconnaissance satellites developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya for the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces which in 2015 became the Russian Space Forces and export customers.

Kondor satellites are equipped to carry either synthetic aperture radar or electro-optical imaging payloads, with the first satellite, and are launched using the Strela carrier rocket, developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya from retired UR-100 NUTTKh missiles.

Process the SAR data, look for 'noise' crosses, program the coordinates into a number of suicide drones of Iranian design and send them off. This should take no more than an hour. The Russian Reconnaissance Strike Complex is designed to do that:

The Reconnaissance Strike Complex (разведивательно-ударный комплех-RYK) was designed for the coordinated employment of high-precision, long- range weapons linked to real-time intelligence data and precise targeting provided to a fused intelligence and fire-direction center. The RYK functioned at operational depths using surface-to-surface missile systems and aircraft-delivered “smart” munitions. The Reconnaissance Fire Complex (разведивательно-огновой комплех ROK) was the tactical equivalent.

The Reconnaissance Fire System (ROS) is designed to detect, engage and destroy enemy targets in near-real time within the range of tactical units (maneuver battalion and brigade with supporting artillery). On occasion, an artillery brigade or helicopter gunship brigade (a tactical/operational formation) could conduct ROS missions. However, Army Corps and Army Group units normally conduct RYS missions-engaging, detecting and destroying operational targets in near-real time using longer-range reconnaissance and strike systems (especially SSM and aviation systems).

Will the Patriot radar move during the Russian reaction time interval between reconnaissance and strike? I have my doubts.

Wikipedia says that a Patriot battery costs about $1 billion. The radar is the thing that makes these so expensive. Each of its missile costs about $3 million. The suicide drones are maybe $10,000 each. Now do the math …

The most modern missiles Patriot system use have a maximum reach of some 60 kilometer (37 miles). One battery can thus cover a bubble with a 120 kilometer diameter. It may be good for Kiev or Odessa but is nothing that will solve the general military problem Ukraine has.

The Russian forces are superior in technology, personnel and fire power. There is no chance, and never has been, for Ukraine to win that match. No Wunderwaffen, British marines with sea drones or U.S. Patriot systems, will change those basic facts.

Comments

EU Economic Wonderwaffen…
On Dec.12, Germany withdraw an alltime record 2500Gwh from Underground Gas Storages.More than 1% on a single day. And Wonderwinter just coming next week.
https://gas.kyos.com/gas/de
German Operator explain it was in order to export electricity to France were 1/3 of Nuclear Power Plant are out of order.

Faites vos jeux,
Rien ne plus,
Ça va bien se passer…

Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 14 2022 16:10 utc | 101

EU Economic Wonderwaffen…
On Dec.12, Germany withdraw an alltime record 2500Gwh from Underground Gas Storages.More than 1% on a single day. And Wonderwinter just coming next week.
https://gas.kyos.com/gas/de
German Operator explain it was in order to export electricity to France were 1/3 of Nuclear Power Plant are out of order.

Faites vos jeux,
Rien ne plus,
Ça va bien se passer…

Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 14 2022 16:11 utc | 102

young | Dec 14 2022 10:12 utc | 2
yes, it is fortunate for Russia that they are the only nation that possesses nuclear weapons. imagine if the usa had nuclear weapons as well.

Posted by: clugg | Dec 14 2022 16:14 utc | 103

@Catdog | Dec 14 2022 15:36 utc | 89
“The easiest solution to the himars problem is probably to fight fire with fire.”
The easiest solution is for the Russians to keep doing what they’re doing. Intercept what missiles they can when they’re heading to anything important, and destroy the launchers when an opportunity presents itself.
The Russians have had success at both.
The HIMARS is precise, but not all that destructive. The Americans are slow to produce systems and ammunition for it. Both the systems and ammunition are expensive. They are slow to turn over both systems and ammunition to Ukraine.
The Russian response has been efficient and cost effective. There’s no great need for a disproportionate response… The Russians already have multiple cost effective systems that can strike identified launchers, and a cost effective IAD that mostly works.
That’s no consolation if you’re on the receiving end of a HIMARS that gets through, but a disproportionate response has an opportunity cost of it’s own.

Posted by: Another James | Dec 14 2022 16:16 utc | 104

reply to 71
No one has commented on that claim that the Kremlin seems to be inviting Odessa into the fold. Yikes.
In other news,Zelensky orders that the Bakhmut meat grinder continue operation – instead of pleas to withdraw. One side says, ‘we’re going to grind you down” and the other side says ‘OK, we’ll send more guys for you to kill”.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 14 2022 16:22 utc | 105

bernhard – thanks for the details and update…
it seems to me both otto and oldhippie are correct… no question nato is involved in a war on russia here.. that is obvious… so they continue to ramp up.. when do we get to the nuclear weapon phase?? how long will it take to get their?? clearly nato want this… servicing the military industrial complex and etc. etc. is an important focus, no doubt… peace and ukrainian people’s lives is of little concern…
let me requote old hippie..
“US is chronically in chest-thumping mode. We have known for thirty years the Patriot system does nothing. No amount of evidence ever cancels the advertising. We just love hucksters and give them our faith and our billions. Patriot is 1984. Have we had a President since then who was not a huckster? Half a dozen senators or congressmen who at times would even partially separate from the gravy train?
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 14 2022 12:51 utc | 46”
oh well… same bullshit, but a different day… expecting anyone to wake up is asking a lot…

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2022 16:45 utc | 106

IMO, the main question is, What remains in the logistic box once all traitor missile systems are used? In other words, what stands next in line that’s newer and better? And that question can be extended to ALL of NATO’s weapon systems. What tank does NATO have to confront the T-14 Armata or its associated IFVs that have yet to see action? Then there are the robotic combat vehicles that were combat tested in Syria and as far as I know have yet to be employed in Ukraine? In other words, the arms NATO’s been shipping to Ukraine are the stuff from the last century that clearly are inferior to the modernized Russian stuff from last century and its newer kit that’s been combat tested in Syria.
My above questioning is related to the logistical issues I raised yesterday in relation to Russia’s strategy. IMO, there’s more than just the Hypersonic Gap in play as this gap exists in most other weapon systems. The Imperial Congress recently voted to provide @ $850 Billion for the MIC, which is about the same amount it’s provided annually over the last decade, but what has been produced that’s new and an improvement over what it’s supposed to replace? The F-35’s a clear failure; the F-22’s being removed from service; traitor missile systems still can’t hit the targets their aimed at; infantry’s still using M-16s and M-2 mgs. The “new” tank is an updated Abrahms. And so on and so forth.
In the last two years of the Napoleonic Wars, Russia was able to field more of the most important “weapon system” then in use–horses–while France completely ran out. I see a repeat but with modern systems.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 14 2022 16:46 utc | 107

Posted by: John Thurloe | Dec 14 2022 12:30 utc | 36
Same getting nowhere at all news. Every single day.
The slow grind is getting to you, eh? Try look at the larger picture.
Just the last week China and the hose of Saud effectively killed the Petro-dollar.
While NATO stock of both personnel and equipment is dwindling, to the point they have to send their hyped-up “wonder-waffen” to keep the war going.
The HIMARS has showed to be only good for shelling civilians, and no other weapons even deserve mentioning.
For me- who have waited a life-time for someone to monkey-wrench the Outlaw US Empire, it is a very Special Military Operation.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 14 2022 16:47 utc | 108

Posted by: moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 13:10 utc |
The Russians are 30 years behind in comparison, and if it were not for civilians buying drones for the troops (!), RF forces would be restricted to Crimea right now.
Is this the reason HIMARS is mainly used to shell civilians, or is that because of pure evil?

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 14 2022 17:02 utc | 109

The admission by natzo FUKUS and their wannabe minions that they have not only supplied trained commanded and controlled but have HAD boots in the ground from well before day one is the next step to escalation or admission of defeat.
The timing of Merkels admission is now explained.
The choice is ours. The dumb population of the Collective Waste.
They have the admit the massive casualties.
They have to take responsibility of the natzos cover of mercenaries to stop them being annihilated.
They have to either explain to us why we are involved in this proxy war they have planned and prepared for decades and prepare us for gloom OR doom!
The decades old US weapons systems are no doubt fully known about but have full countermeasures. If they are even needed – good old fashioned special forces in their own backyard would be my favourite.
Choices choices

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 14 2022 17:06 utc | 110

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 14 2022 16:47 utc | 108
You wrote: For me- who have waited a life-time for someone to monkey-wrench the Outlaw US Empire, it is a very Special Military Operation.
Ah, Anne: what a gem. Thank you so much.

Posted by: Mexicana | Dec 14 2022 17:08 utc | 111

@107 the newer stuff they combat tested in syria failed there. Sad, but true. Russia uses the old because thats all they have. They pissed it away like the us. and then left 300 billion in their enemy’s banks. Once you figure out why, you’ll be far ahead.
https://en.topwar.ru/206637-chto-sluchilos-s-rossijskim-chudo-oruzhiem.html

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 17:11 utc | 112

Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Malyar has announced a new wave of mobilisation after the New Year, thereby admitting heavy losses for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. In fact, this could also be interpreted as a message that all the reserves accumulated by the Ukrainian General Staff, including those trained in the West, will not make it to the New Year.
In order to avoid increasing panic among the population, the Bankova decided not to acknowledge hits on energy facilities at all, and after today’s Geranium raid, it was announced, including by Zelensky, that all (!) kamikaze drones had been shot down by the Banderov air defence. But, since before announcing this, photos of hits on administrative buildings were posted, they decided to explain the destruction of these buildings by the debris of the downed drones falling on them. The Ze-command is increasingly out of touch with reality. Its political technologists believe that they can easily manipulate the consciousness of the Ukrainians, but in reality, they are generating hatred and bitter laughter.
Bankova(Ukrainian Presidential Administration)was also hosed by Nazi air force spokesman Ignat, who admitted that in the dark hours the Nazi anti-aircraft gunners are powerless against the barrage of munitions. “At night, they are visually difficult to detect with small arms and anti-aircraft missiles.” “Also, the enemy conducts reconnaissance to avoid our air defence zone,” said this, so to speak, officer, probably not realising that neither anti-aircraft missiles nor small arms are a means of “visual detection,” but are meant for something entirely different. But the main thing he conveyed was that it is very difficult to shoot down a “Geranium” in the dark.
The Odessa regional state administration has decided to remain completely silent about the electricity situation in the Odessa region. Since, as a matter of fact, there is nothing to say on the subject and the stock of possible “excuses” is not limitless, they decided just “not to talk to the trash.” And the authorities declared everybody who is indignant because of the absence of light, heat, and water to be “provocateurs” and ordered the police and Security Service of Ukraine to find and seek out these people for exemplary punishment. This is the very essence of the Ukrainian government, which considers lies, repression and terror to be universal tools of governance.
The conflict between Bankova( The Ukrainian Presidential Administration)and regional leaders is intensifying. Klitschko recorded a video in support of the suspended mayor of Chernihiv Atroshenko. “The removal of the city’s mayor through the court, for an administrative offence, is a precedent! For the first time in the history of independent Ukraine,” the Kyiv-based gualaire said. And Atroshenko himself said he would appeal against the court ruling in Lviv. As we can see, the conflict has moved to the public plane, which significantly reduces the possibility of a “contract”.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24912

Posted by: Down South | Dec 14 2022 17:12 utc | 113

Posted by: J | Dec 14 2022 16:00 utc | 99
“Russia has also shot down over 2,000 HIMARS”
That’s just amazing they missed that Tochka-U that when to Klintsy.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 14 2022 17:14 utc | 114

from oct 2022 by the same fellow (Michael Vlahos) who did the 3 part interview with macgregor…
By Michael Vlahos
“Proxy wars represent a most dangerous game in great power competition. Danger here has two dimensions. First, easy and early success can trigger strategic euphoria in the proxy-master. The empire can be swept up by the tantalizing prospect of a great strategic victory, paying a small price in treasure and nothing of its own blood. This leads directly to occluded judgment. Victory, so desired, is suddenly believed to be almost at hand, so why not pile on, and bring a hated rival quickly to defeat? This dynamic leads to“opportunistic escalation”.
The second strategic danger emerges when early success turns into a proxy enterprise at risk of failure, when reality breaks through and victory can no longer necessarily be achieved by proxy efforts alone. Easy and early victory is replaced by the prospect of possible failure, unless the great power “goes all in.” The prospect of losing the proxy war becomes as loathsome as seeing one’s own battalions beaten in battle. Here, the collective ecstasy of victory through proxy makes proxy abandonment and defeat unacceptable, leading to ever-intensifying, “double down escalation” that could invite direct war.
In light of Washington’s ongoing proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, these two dangers now threaten the American nation. Once Vladimir Putin decided to invade Ukraine, NATO enthusiastically embraced proxy war against Russia.”
America’s Perilous Choice in Ukraine: How Proxy War Accelerates Great Power Decline

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2022 17:21 utc | 115

I was looking at Sentinel 1 Copernicus – European stuff in the arctic as others at ASIF (Arctic Sea Ice forum) Any more on Sentinel and SAR would be appreciated. Interesting that the first 2 european sentinels were launched by RF. There is a 3rd european Sentinel schduled for 2023, but those things can slide into the future form many technical reasons and also be postphoned by PTB. Yeah I could see the europeans censoring out that data.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 14 2022 17:27 utc | 116

@114 to be fair, that’s a one off a long ways from the front. Its a stretch to say they can detect and shoot down anything. Likely it was picked because it was easy.
I like being hard on Russia too, but you can’t lose sight of reality. The point is to be ultra realistic about every side. No sacred cows everyone should be held to the same standard.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 17:31 utc | 117

Lol at this cope blog full of lies.
Losing Kharkiv and Kherson really destroyed the feeble minds of vatniks LOOOOLLLL!
Thanks for the laugh phaggot

Posted by: Zelensky | Dec 14 2022 17:34 utc | 118

The Goldilocks War by Dmitri Orlov is a week or so old but it is fascinating reading.
Orlov sees the real battlefield as being within Russia itself and the real battle one in which Russia purges itself of the poison injected into its system during the 1990s and the run up to the collapse of the USSR.
https://thesaker.is/the-goldilocks-war/
Read it in conjunction with MK Bhadrakumar’s
https://www.indianpunchline.com/unrest-in-mongolia-who-stands-to-gain/
and his latest on Iran
https://www.indianpunchline.com/eu-cracks-the-whip-gently-on-iran/
Those who warn against underestimating NATO and its master deserve a hearing, the war against Russia, the SCO and BRICS is unrelenting. And it is just about the only thing that Washington does.
Other countries, including Russia, China and Iran, have more important priorities than stirring up hornets nests in Tajikistan, interfering in the Caucasus and slipping terrorists over the Kurdish border into Iran. But the US doesn’t- it has one object, to preserve its hegemony and use it to steal the world’s wealth, its resources, its labour, the fertility of its arable and pasture lands.
And it has the leisure to pursue its evil objects because it has fixed the political situation in the homeland so that nobody among the homeless, malnourished, sick and neglected millions festering beneath the 1% and their enforcers, intellectual and otherwise- interrupts them as they set out to turn the world as a whole into one big rust belt and a hundred thousand rotting Appalachian communities.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 14 2022 17:34 utc | 119

In response to

For me- who have waited a life-time for someone to monkey-wrench the Outlaw US Empire, it is a very Special Military Operation.
Posted by: Anne B | Dec 14 2022 16:47 utc | 108

Ditto and thanks for the sentiments

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 14 2022 17:41 utc | 120

bevin | Dec 14 2022 17:34 utc | 119
Correct, it is better for the Russians to overestimate NATO’s capabilities than underestimate them.
There are at least several 1’000 Abram M1 tanks, and probably many other versions of armed vehicles hidden in large caves in Norway. These were put there many years ago when the US/Pentagon wanted to buy an updated version and did not have any real reason to do so. I think they must still be there, although they certainly will need updating.
Father christmas could be considering sending them to Ukraine, or are they waiting until the rest of Europe gets physically dragged into a real war?

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 14 2022 18:00 utc | 121

Russia being 1 step behind as usual, while EU will now impose more sanctions, this time on russian media. Western media is at the same time free to access inside Russia!
EU set to freeze assets of RT’s parent company – media
The next sanctions package against Moscow will likely also ban other Russian TV channels, the EUObserver reports
https://swentr.site/news/568250-eu-rt-asset-freeze/
Starting this war was the dumbest idea ever, Russia humiliating itself. There is no question Russia will sooner or later have to retreat to Russia proper. The thing is, Russia will not somehow be over then. Policy of Regime change, sanctions to death, war tribunals will be upheld by the west.
I dont know how Russia will get out of this but somehow win in a nuclear war. That is how fcked Russia is.

Posted by: Zanon:.:. | Dec 14 2022 18:03 utc | 122

I dont know how Russia will get out of this but somehow win in a nuclear war. That is how fcked Russia is.
Posted by: Zanon:.:. | Dec 14 2022 18:03 utc | 122
If only Russia had listened to you they would already be back in their glory days of the 1990’s

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 14 2022 18:30 utc | 123

“…EU set to freeze assets of RT’s parent company – media
The next sanctions package against Moscow will likely also ban other Russian TV channels, the EUObserver reports..” Zanon:@122
And then, perhaps they will ban MoA and censor emails to prevent critics of NATO from communicating with each other.
And what will the net result of that be? And even more ignorant, misinformed and intellectually impotent population.
The point is that Russia is recovering from its brush with imperialism- the west is degenerating: wages are plummeting, costs are shooting upwards, fuel is becoming scarce, strikes are breaking out, governments are threatening to use the military against their unruly people, and stupidity, well reflected in the irrationality and hazy vision of governing elites, descends like the London Smog that will soon be seen again as coal takes back its throne from oil and gas.
And zanon like a starving coyote howls ‘calamity’ against the blizzard from Hell to Broken Bow (as Mrs Lease put it.)

Posted by: bevin | Dec 14 2022 18:34 utc | 124

I don’t believe a word out of these peoples mouths. So that accepting their words when they say they are sending Javelins, M777s, HIMARS, Patriots or whatever when they say they are sending them seems to me to be very naïve. I suspect that all those things were likely already in Ukraine before Russia began the SMO. Their presence may even have been why Russia launched the SMO. There may have been an issue of who was going to use them – NATO people in Ukrainian camouflage- “mercs” – or actual experienced Ukrainian soldiers who have been trained up in the UK and suchlike. Unless you think those Ukrainians being foreign trained up were Ukrainians just rounded up at random recently off the street?

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Dec 14 2022 18:37 utc | 125

I am looking forward to another Western military defeat. Russia is taking it’s sweet time, but the end will be an absolute joy. I hope for the West’s defeat and for other nations to treat them as pariahs to some degree for breaking their word as Merkel confessed to this week. Why? The West has lied, deceived, broken it’s promises, aggressed against a Boogeyman, and sacrificed so many Ukrainian lives for their own selfish interests. We see history rhyming once again when we look to Spartan history:
Agesilaus on his part had sworn to observe the armistice honestly, allowing three months for the transaction. What followed? [11] Tissaphernes forthwith broke his oath, and instead of arranging a peace, applied to the King for a large army in addition to that which he had before. As for Agesilaus, though well aware of this, he none the less continued to keep the armistice. [12] I think, therefore, that here we have his first noble achievement. By showing up Tissaphernes as a perjurer, he made him distrusted everywhere; and, contrariwise, by proving himself to be a man of his word and true to his agreements, he encouraged all, Greeks and barbarians alike, to enter into an agreement with him whenever he wished it. [13]

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Dec 14 2022 18:42 utc | 126

@ Anne B | Dec 14 2022 16:47 utc | 108
i agree with others here.. so great to have you posting at moa.. thanks for the broader perspective..
@ bevin | Dec 14 2022 17:34 utc | 119
i love how orlov says the ”new iron curtain” has been erected by the west this time, lol.. that is so true and so great to use this term to describe this ‘sanctions, isolation, and etc. etc’ on the part of the weest…

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2022 18:50 utc | 127

Posted by: Zanon:.:. | Dec 14 2022 18:03 utc | 122
Starting this war was the dumbest idea ever..no question Russia will ..retreat to Russia proper. Policy of Regime change, sanctions to death, war tribunals will be upheld by the west.
<= Russia has turned the entire world around with this SMO.. China, Russia, Iran SCO, Brics and many other orgs have removed half the global market from the reach of western corporations. Russia invented a banking system that allows to do business outside of SWIFT and outside of the western based Central banking system.. Swali currency is just as good as the USD in dealing with Russia.. China's gold backed currency is another success. Russia is stronger at the moment than it was before the SMO.. The SMO is exactly what the USA led NATO western world wanted, everyone now pays twice for energy when available. The goal , it seems to me, is to make Israel, not Russia, the global provider of European Energy. and the every western weapon available delay is to give Israel time to get its new oil and gas finds into production.

Posted by: snake | Dec 14 2022 18:56 utc | 128

For those who speculate about Western tanks. The Wehrmacht already had to “struggle” with too much weight and too narrow tracks, apart from maintenance, logistics, etc.
https://exxpress.at/leopard-2-die-wahren-gruende-warum-berlin-diesen-panzer-nicht-selenskyj-gibt/
Translated with deepl.com

Leopard 2: The real reasons why Berlin will not give this tank to Selenskyj
The German government’s refusal to deliver modern Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine is currently the subject of extremely emotional debate. In eXXpress an insider now reveals the real reasons: This tank could hardly help Ukraine.
Richard Schmitt
9 November 2022 10:09
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) has been savagely berated on Twitter and Facebook for weeks for his no to the tank delivery, and the entire government in Berlin has been slated for it by the pro-war propaganda of the Bild newspaper: The Ukrainian government repeatedly demanded that Germany should now also hand over modern Leopard 2 main battle tanks to the Ukrainian armed forces for their so far only partially successful counter-offensives – this would “save lives and shorten the war”.
“The Germans already know why they are not doing exactly that,” a tank expert now reveals the real reasons why this Leopard delivery to Ukraine will “certainly not” take place. And these are the reasons, says the army veteran, who is one of the best-informed tank specialists: “Firstly, the Leopard 2 is too heavy for deployment in Ukraine. The battle tank weighs at least 55 tonnes, in some versions even 62 tonnes. However, all bridges, roads and railways in the combat zone are designed for loads of slightly more than 40 tonnes – just enough to be used by Russian main battle tanks of the type T-72 with 44.5 tonnes or T-90A with 46.5 tonnes. The Leopard 2 would have almost 17,500 kilos too much.”
17,500 kilos lighter than the Leopard 2: the Russian T-72 in action
Huge dimensions: the German Leopard 2 main battle tank
German tanks would get stuck in winter
But the Leopard 2’s 62,000 kilos would not only be a massive problem on the road and during rail transport, says the tank expert: “The Leopard 2 could only operate perfectly off-road in the absolute height of summer when the ground is completely dry. Now, in the rain, the narrow tracks would sink in immediately, the vehicles would get stuck.”
And the situation will get even worse in the coming winter, he said: “The ground will soon freeze through to a depth of 40 centimetres – but the Leopard 2 would break through this layer of frost due to its mass, again getting stuck in the mud.” However: the much lighter Russian T-72 also remains mobile on the frozen-through layer of earth due to its wider tracks.
The Russian T-72 main battle tank frequently used in Ukraine
Ukraine would also need top-trained weapons electronics technicians
In addition to all these (for the crews life-threatening) difficulties of a Leopard 2 deployment in Ukraine, there is also a training problem: “A basic training as with the self-propelled howitzer 2000 can be accomplished in 6 weeks, but what do the tank soldiers do when the first red light comes on?”, the insider says that it is absolutely necessary to send top trained German weapons electronics and weapons technicians to Ukraine. Their training, by the way, takes at least a year.
And there is another fact that supports the German decision not to deliver Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine: there are simply too few. Only in Spain would 122 Leopard 2Es currently be parked unused – but these are also the property of the German armed forces. And to produce enough new Leopards for the Ukrainian army would probably take longer than a ten-year war: it would take one year to build 15 new Leopard 2s for Qatar – 150 battle tanks for the government in Kiev would thus not be delivered completely until 2032 …

The business for the future could also be a factor…no one wants to show weakness.

Posted by: 600w | Dec 14 2022 19:00 utc | 129

Pray for Peace my fellow barflies during this Advent.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 14 2022 19:01 utc | 130

Everyone has an opinion….pure conjecture most of it because no one here is privy to operational plans from the Kremlin…. Brussels or Washington DC. Facts are Russia has committed very few of her troops…. Ukraine is on its sixth mobilization….just under 36,000 MIA Ukrainian soldiers are still laying on the battlefield in varying states of condition alone…all I’m saying there is a vast and disproportionate casualty rate between the two opposing forces regardless of the Western narrative. The HIMARS and Excalibur munitions are GPS guided and that is their weakness…..I suspect the Russians have countermeasures but are keeping it close to their chest at this time. There are dedicated assets constantly probing Russia’s EW suites….read up on the USS Cook incident to get an inkling of what Russia is capable of if the gloves come off

Posted by: Joe | Dec 14 2022 19:02 utc | 131

Maybe my knowledge is just too limited but the Houthi drone attacks in KSA earlier showed that the Patriot SAM is quite ineffective against smaller drones. Russia would be able to swarm more and also lob anti-radiation missiles to destroy the radar antennas. For me it would make more sense that the Patriot wouldn’t be used against the smaller drones (Geran) but against high value targets like aircraft (inside Russian territory). The altitude is some 25 km. Like the Polish Crab artillery that are mainly manned by (active?) Polish troops, the Patriot batteries will mostly be manned by American (or affiliated) troops. In my view, Russia should respond by making it a lot costlier for the imperial squatters in Al Tanf and Deir Ezzor through weapon transfers.

Posted by: xor | Dec 14 2022 19:14 utc | 132

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 14 2022 10:36 utc | 7
“Why doesn’t Ukraine switch sides , round up all Nato special forces in their country and re-nationalise their stolen land?
Assad is still alive. There is a future for former USUKIS pimps if they join the Russian side.”
Great suggestion – it would save a lot of lives (apart from the to-be-proven war criminals). Pity that the Zelensky and his pals the Nazis in Kiev will be too frightened, rabid and ignorant to take the advice.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 14 2022 19:15 utc | 133

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 17:11 utc | 112
What exactly is the point of posting stuff which is OBVIOUSLY a bunch of crap? If you are being paid you are probably involved in a fraud against your employer, and if you are just someone with uninformed opinions then you should be able to improve and produce better propaganda.
try harder – please!

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 14 2022 19:24 utc | 134

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 14 2022 12:40 utc | 41
Yep. The PzKfw IV and StuG III.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 14 2022 19:24 utc | 135

Disappointing that Russia ignored their drone manufacturers’ offers to construct drones and drone killer drones until after the SMO Ukraine war started! This is why Russia had to copy their drones after Iranian drones but with upgraded global positioning systems.
In contrast, the Houthis demonstrated low-cost advanced drone capabilities that exceeded those available by Russia or the collective West.
For those interested in how the Houthis overcame the Saudi missile defense using drones see this fine link:
“Quds-1 Update” with a detailed design and operational characteristics of the Houthis Quds-1 ultracheap drone used against Saudi Arabia
https://jetguyone.home.blog/

Posted by: Krollchem | Dec 14 2022 19:26 utc | 136

oh @ 46 sad in part;” We have known for thirty years the Patriot system does nothing. ”
Not quite true. It, quite nicely, enhances profits for the usual suspects…

Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 14 2022 19:30 utc | 137

Posted by: b | Dec 14 2022 11:37 utc | 19
Sorry that was my mistake not sure how the name got messed up there. Just noticed it. Didn’t mean comment under your name. Apologies.

Posted by: dust | Dec 14 2022 19:37 utc | 138

@Stonebird | Dec 14 2022 18:00 utc | 121

There are at least several 1’000 Abram M1 tanks, and probably many other versions of armed vehicles hidden in large caves in Norway. These were put there many years ago when the US/Pentagon wanted to buy an updated version and did not have any real reason to do so. I think they must still be there, although they certainly will need updating.
Father christmas could be considering sending them to Ukraine, or are they waiting until the rest of Europe gets physically dragged into a real war?

This was a big issue 40 years ago, in the early 1980’s. They must be dusty by now,

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 14 2022 19:46 utc | 139

We know that HIMARRS are used mainly against civilian targets.
My guess is that the PATRIOT will be used to shoot down Russian aircraft, not missiles. The US plan is to depopulate Ukraine, so shooting down missiles is not a goal.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 14 2022 19:47 utc | 140

@134
Jeez you guys. I’ll try again because I like this place.
Those new Russian weapons aren’t being used because they don’t work properly and were hyped up for PR reasons.
Its a fact Russia is fighting with older soviet weapons mostly. I don’t think that’s disputable.
So I know its tough to see your heros have feet of clay or worse are frauds. Its disheartening but I think it just means they need to be replaced that’s all. But you have to see you’ve been mislead and no one wants to ponder that deeply. I understand and wish you luck in self-enlightenment.
Don’t trust Putin. I could be wrong but I see a pattern that hints hes in league with his fellow world leaders against the people of the countries they head.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 19:55 utc | 141

in reply @ Ursula Zandt | Dec 14 2022 14:50 utc | 79
U.S. takes great pride in spending enormous amount of dollars on weaponry and gadgets.
Wasteful comes to mind.
Check the F35s.
Check the newest B-2 Stealth Bomber catches fire on emergency landing two days ago
and
last year September 2021, the left main landing gear collapsed on a B-2 bomber while it was landing, causing it to skid off the runway and rack up an estimated repair cost of over $10 million.
Lucky it’s only mouse-click dollars eh? But taxpayers are on the hook.

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 14 2022 20:01 utc | 142

The real name of this system is Paytriots. Their main purpose is to suck the paying victim dry.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 14 2022 20:07 utc | 143

Norwegian | Dec 14 2022 19:46 utc | 139
About ready for service, they will be dusted off by the trolls under the bridge, or some other google-eyed beastie with nefarious aims.
***
The way things are going, seriously, just about anything that can be used will be. Looks good on PR-paper-MSM. “We are sending a thousand tanks….”.
Of course there is always the problem about ammunition….

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 14 2022 20:07 utc | 144

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 19:55 utc | 141
ahh as long as you dont see proof you are saying its just PR
as soon as you see proof it is just fake
sneaky little trickster 😀

Posted by: Macpott | Dec 14 2022 20:08 utc | 145

Lucky it’s only mouse-click dollars eh?
@ Likklemore | Dec 14 2022 20:01 utc | 142

Opportunity cost doesn’t work that way. Guns or butter.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 14 2022 20:09 utc | 146

@145
If I see proof I will evaluate it objectively. First I need to see something.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 20:09 utc | 147

The Ron Paul Institute features an article by James George Jatras which includes links to MoA’s recent Ukraine Sitrep:

Is Russian Restraint Averting the Risk of Nuclear War – or Inviting It?

It’s anyone’s guess. Mr. Jatras concludes:

“Bottom line: what Moscow does next will not only determine the course of the war in Ukraine but whether the world goes up in radioactive smoke. Does restraint and non-response to provocation make the apocalyptic scenario more likely, or less? Conversely, would a rapid, decisive move by Moscow widen that window or help close it?
Finally, which course is Moscow likely to take? (My guess: the slow grind, nothing dramatic.) Whether that’s the right move, we will soon find out.”

Billionaires are all set with their underground tunnels.
Do you have a Bug-out?

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 14 2022 20:16 utc | 148

I made a comment yesterday that existing weapons have no real economic value. Arms spend is pure waste and [in this limited view] if you have already spent it, then expending the armament is at zero cost. So using a $3M missile to destroy a $3k drone might makes sense. Having said that the replacement cost of such expended arms is a real cost and for the West likely to be unaffordable, but maybe not for the USA who have a magic printing press.
Russian (following on from Soviet doctrine) arms philosophy has always been about good weapons but not the best, simple, rugged, able to withstand the climate extremes found in continental Russia, able to be used by less than expert soldiers, easy to produce in quantity, reliable, easy to field repair and – if used en masse – have the ability to deliver huge if not necessarily accurate firepower. Backed by large reserves. The Russians like reserves. Equipment, men, ammo.
The West has the opposite doctrine.
However in a prolonged fight simple and dumb and quantity looks like it may have the edge on complex, smart and few.
There is a lot of digital ink spilled on who is winning the material war of attrition. IMHO the constant and progressive NATO escalation of more and more modern weapons supplies gives a fairly clear hint. It is of course possible to argue the exact opposite.
The position on the ground will define the truth of all this over the next few months. Again, IMHO if Russia have not managed some significant victories – ie ground gained and severe UAF losses – then they cannot achieve them. This is not 4D chess, just simple and brutal reality.

Posted by: marcjf | Dec 14 2022 20:18 utc | 149

Reminds me of Afghanistan using multi-million dollar missiles to blow up a mud hut.
@ b | Dec 14 2022 11:37 utc | 19
Optical and profitable to float the boat of capital. It worked for a few decades.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 14 2022 20:20 utc | 150

Slow approach => More valuable time & more
sophisticated weapons will be delibered to ukro nazis
Many coommenttd
So Patriot will be a nothingburger?
Wont change anything?
The comments re sam like for Himars? ))))
you can feel very quickly Putins own impotence, as well as eventually anger comes up on the spin doctors in MoA who know everything better
For some of Putins cheerleaders this shows that the SMO is on the road to recovery.
A fashion statement for a smooth talker – the kind that only hints at his awesomeness through a discreet, yet powerful accessory.

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 14 2022 20:22 utc | 151

Russia knows city battles are way safer than trying to cross those big stupid fields, the Stalingrad battle was a great move by the Russians . They destroyed the Romanians the Italians and a mixed bag of others while walking the Germans into the largest trap anyone had ever seen. “we asked you all to leave nows you can’t”
Everyone keeps pointing to the weather or mistakes as being the reason Russia won in the past. The reality is that the Russians can fight.
Find a picture of any city the Russians have fought for in the past, those places get absolutely destroyed.
That being said I have no Idea why you think Russia is the good guy, they are “freeing” the ukies by forcing them to fight? Lol
Putin is spreading freedom just like Bush or any other president.

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 14 2022 20:30 utc | 152

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 14 2022 12:51 utc | 46
Yes, the imperial mafia have a good racket going. One of the more interesting developments of the 20th century’s history of capitalist evolution is the full conversion of weapons into commodities. Quite apart from the complexities of this process (cf. Capital vol.1, ch.1-3) the necessity of an imperial front-end to ensure the market consumption side was decisive in the 1940s. Eisenhower warned that the ‘MIC’ (did he coin the expression?) would capture policy-making in DC, but that ship had sailed by ’59. The process would, however, reshape war—from means to an end (Clausewitz) to the end of a market process.
The telos of a commodity is to be exchanged (use is secondary). What makes this different from any other object is that the commodity does not serve a need (which precedes the object—the need for shoes creates the demand for them, etc). Rather, the commodity is a response to a market-creation process that instead precedes and invents the need. Consumers ‘discover’ a lack which is miraculously filled by the commodity. This is all well known with objects for which there is residual use-value (shoes, phones, etc). Military hardware, however, constitutes a radically different order since their use tends to endanger the consumption base. You need to maintain the consumption base and artificially sustain its demand, which includes sustaining, as much as possible, the financial base for consumption. Imagine a commodity that killed the consumer—not a good business model unless the killing can be made sustainable.
Here’s where the 20th cent.’s unique entanglement of empire and commodity regime kicks in, a relationship hitherto unknown to history (at least at this scale). Rome was dependent on war but in an entirely different way (for labour and ideological reasons). For the MIC war is not about conquest (which is better achieved by finance) but is rather the process of consumption of a particular type of industrial commodity. One consequence of this is the slow exit of producing states from war-making (countries that produce materiel increasingly don’t use them or fight in the wars where they’re used, the lesson of Vietnam, etc) and the creation of ‘war-markets’ that are capable of sustaining the base of consumption without annihilating it through the use of the commodity. What some have referred to as ‘forever wars’ are the satellite conflicts and proxy-wars in which state procurement apparatuses can be hijacked both at home and abroad to supply the demand created by war-markets.
Now it’s true that international geopolitics and policy making are determined by many other factors too. But if we are to understand how the USA’s peculiar version of empire benefits from wars we have to understand how the importance of the Ukraine conflict to the US lies in its market value. The real story here then is the way vast sums have been legitimately made available for procurement of weapons, not to defeat Russia but simply to be consumed by a generic conflict. This is why Russia needs to end this quickly.
Everything said above can also be repeated for the pharmaceutical sector in relation to COVID. The Ukraine conflict is to the MIC as COVID-19 was to the PIC. It’s no good being in the bombs and vaccines industry without wars and pandemics, real or imagined—the less clear the better. What’s interesting from a historical point of view is the novelty of this situation, where wars and pandemics are no longer underpinned by real events and crises but are the function of Don Draper PR campaigns designed to move product.

Posted by: Patroklos | Dec 14 2022 20:32 utc | 153

@ Neofeudalfuture “Its like the nazis counter attacking while they were losing. They could’ve in 1943 stayed on the defensive everywhere and might’ve held on till they had nukes. But Hitler acted like a traitor and sent his fan boys to their death.”
No, the Germans lost the war at Smolensk in 1941. A defensive strategy would be bound to fail against the international coalition that her been forming since 1938. Boche nuclear research was a non-starter and had they tried, the ruins of Berlin would have been demolished by a mushroom, instead of Hiroshima.

Posted by: Squeeth | Dec 14 2022 20:41 utc | 154

Zanon (latest iteration) | Dec 14 2022 18:03 utc | 122
Your once signature sign-off~…
”Russia: Always One Step Behind” had a certain /Je ne sais quoi/ in the english use of the phrase… since I’ve adopted you as my favourite/ pet troll, I highly recommend you adopt this as your very own, as it previously has always provoked a smile. (For me).
You have an opportunity to secure a Unique Selling Point. Might as well distinguish yourself from the rest (congested, but not really original) troll stable…
2c worth of …free advice from me.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 20:45 utc | 155

@ Patroklos | Dec 14 2022 20:32 utc | 153
great post patrolos… i agree with your conclusions at the end as well.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Dec 14 2022 20:49 utc | 156

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 14 2022 12:38 utc | 40
While all this is true I still don’t find it wholly convincing. It is not quite that simple. It’s not quite that simple to interdict all entries but nor is it that simple to avoid all interdiction.
Points of entry don’t need artillery registration and ‘ranging rounds’. They should have/would have been registered months ago and ranged in.
It should be possible to push a button and have shot on its way in seconds. With such vaunted artillery overwhelming support it is quite conceivable to have whole batteries devoted entirely to covering individual points of entry.
While it is impossible perhaps to permanently destroy a road or a rail line it is quite possible to largely cripple them.
A train in particular takes time to pass. Destroy a long train with pre-targeted artillery (or rocketry) and it is days before the line is cleared and repaired. More days if desultory random but accurate fire drops on the workers. And that’s the key: desultory random accurate fire. Spiced with intelligence reporting major trains or convoys. Baited with periods of inactivity, lulls, enticing free movement.
There is a civilian vector. Civilians need to come and go to keep even a spastic state like Ukraine minimally functioning. Civilians would be very loathe to take a chance on border crossings known to be frequently interdicted in this manner. If they didn’t know they’d pretty soon see it – before long such places would look like a cross between a scrap yard and a moonscape wouldn’t they?
And the ‘business’ or commerce sector: i.e. businesses that need to keep running. They too would be increasingly reluctant to take a chance.
Of course there’s cost benefit analysis. Some points of entry would be more worthy of others. And so on. But overall I think there’s no doubt points of entry are worth at the very least as much attention as whatever those targets were that attracted millions of Russian shells to date with nothing to show for it.
Put it to you this way: You are fighting on a ship – the enemy keeps pouring aboard via a limited number of gangplanks. What are you going to do?
But this whole question gets back to that same over-riding question – what price the war on the ground v the international political war?
For the war on the ground is clearly not being prosecuted as it could. Clearly. And there’s got to be reasons for that. Until we know those reasons we can’t make rational judgements.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 14 2022 20:51 utc | 157

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 14 2022 16:22 utc | 105
I did not comment but like you I thought yikes. Mind you what about Nikoleyev? Also no Sumy?
Must be some stuff happening in Odessa we are not aware of

Posted by: watcher | Dec 14 2022 20:53 utc | 158

Regarding the drone situation one has to wonder if the post 2000s economic liberalism and dependence on Western and Chinese manufacturing severely dented Russia’s industrial and research capacity and home grown engineering.
Realistically, what domestic technology does Russia export? Does anyone own anything made in Russia?
It takes years and generations of product cycles to develop adequate developers and engineers.
Even much vaunted China has only recently began exporting vehicles that are still one generation behind the West.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 14 2022 20:54 utc | 159

It’s clear Ukraine can not defeat Russia at this time. OTOH, I fail to see how fighting a forever war is in Russias interests, at least in terms of of fulfilling its stated objectives and achieving a peace that allows the rebuilding of that which has been destroyed. Patriot Missiles are not a game changer, but they don’t make Russias job any easier, and once the US gets its weapons production up to speed in another year or so Ukraine may be in a position to resume the offensive. Israel might also join the Ukraine side in the near future.

Posted by: Pete22 | Dec 14 2022 21:09 utc | 160

Leos – has Germany ever produced a low-maintenance vehicle?
Asked by Paul Greenwood, 14th December 2022, at about 12.50pm GMT
(quondam comment 41)
Yes. Three German L-M Vehicles…
German LMV i –
Messerschmitt KR200
Messerschmitt KR200
German LMV ii –
Heinkel-Kabine
German LMV iii –
“Pimboo” Isetta
“Pimboo” Isetta
Had Dinky versions of all three as a wee’n.

Posted by: petra | Dec 14 2022 21:11 utc | 161

Even much vaunted China has only recently began exporting vehicles that are still one generation behind the West.
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 14 2022 20:54 utc | 159

Recall that the first generations of cars from Japan (Toyota, Mazda) and South Korea were poor quality, particularly under winter conditions here in Canada.
There are lots of quality Russian/Polish/Ukrainian food products sold here, though not in the main store chains. Russia has (had) the same relationship to the EU as Canada has to the US, exchanging mostly energy, resources, food and niche products in exchange for consumer “brands”, some of which were produced locally.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 14 2022 21:14 utc | 162

It’s Christmas and countries are buying themselves presents.
And, of course, Ukraine tops Santa’s gift list….
>…Germany got the go-ahead to buy F-35 fighter jets produced by US defence giant Lockheed Martin as part of military procurement projects worth 13 billion euros : Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht (Reuters).
>…Italy and France are ready to supply SAMP-T air defense systems to Ukraine ” – French Ambassador to Ukraine Etienne de Poncin.
>…Iran unveiled three UAV models at the 11th #Iranian International Air Show
About 80 Iranian companies and 10 foreign companies from China, Russia and Ethiopia take part in the exhibition.
The Shahid 161, Shahid 191 and Shahid 129 models are on display.
>… The A-50 airborne early warning aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces has landed in Belarus. These aircraft serve to identify targets and transmit coordinates to fighter pilots for strikes.
>… Turkish police capture 44 suspected Mossad agents in Istanbul.
https://thecradle.co/Article/news/19472

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 21:14 utc | 163

@Johnnycomelately;
One does not have to wonder very long.
Look up what happened to the Soviet machine tooling industries.
The collapse of Soviet Union wiped out huge swathes of the industrial base.
Now Western tools and machines make everything in Russian industry.
Putin bet on becoming a gas station with nukes in Western supply chain.
What happens when these tools and robots wear out?
Oligarchs supported by Putin (he owes them) completed the catastrophe via the most ridiculous scams.
The contrast with China could not be more stark.
History will show Putin to be a second Yeltsin.
Only nuclear strikes can save the Russian army now.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 21:16 utc | 164

refer some of above ..:

“U.S. To Send More ..”

What to send more? It’s not yet proofed.
Even it’s confirmed (by whome?), it would be a simple target to attack, where those new weapons may arrive via Poland or Rumania and elsewhere by US-local on-ground supporters (ie. CIA hidden guys).
So let’s wait, whether those shipment of “new” anti-rocets may ever find its delivery located places.
I doubt that .. Otherwise, RF is too stupid to localize that shipments GPS-coordinates.
Or not?

Posted by: spare_truth | Dec 14 2022 21:17 utc | 165

Patroklos @153
I always enjoy your posts, but your reference sources even more so. (wink)
Good stuff.

Posted by: Steve from Oz | Dec 14 2022 21:26 utc | 166

Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 21:16 utc | 164

“Only nuclear strikes can save the Russian army now. …”

Be careful what that you’re thinking ..
Their are some other “options” still today .. or not?
Would be, the RF will decide to go a new more/very strong tactics against AFU (respectivly Poland and British mercs!).
So let’s wait – RF commanders are not yet stupid as you(we) may suppose ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Dec 14 2022 21:32 utc | 167

At Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 21:16 utc | 164
..
A very strong new tactics against AFU have been discussed earlier here in MoA’s comments.
May be “you” should rely on that mentioned RF “possibilities” to go further a ‘little more’ stronger that way ahead ..
Have any idea acc.to that ..?
RF will.

Posted by: spare_truth | Dec 14 2022 21:40 utc | 168

so nobody here got leave for syria only ukraine?
what is about you people?
do you know how it feels right now at the birth bed of christdom? >:|

Posted by: Macpott | Dec 14 2022 21:43 utc | 169

Pete22 | Dec 14 2022 21:09 utc | 160
“Israel might also join the Ukraine side in the near future.”
What makes you say that?

Posted by: Mexicana | Dec 14 2022 21:44 utc | 170

I see the US has charged a few and arrested one Russian for buying and transferring sanctioned electronic products.
From RT:

the defendants are believed to have conspired to obtain military-grade and dual-use technologies from American companies for Russia’s defense sector and to have smuggled sniper rifle ammunition, all in violation of US sanctions imposed upon Moscow earlier this year over its ongoing military campaign in Ukraine.
The Justice Department further notes that some of the “highly sensitive and heavily regulated electronic components” allegedly acquired by the defendants could be used in the “development of nuclear and hypersonic weapons, quantum computing and other military applications.”

I predict there will be a further uptick in an effort to get enough people to trade for Paul Whelan.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 14 2022 21:45 utc | 171

…Maybe they will detain Alexander Ovetchkin at the end of the NHL season.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 14 2022 21:48 utc | 172

remark to:

“Israel might also join the Ukraine side in the near future.”

Someone may be able to “read” the future of Israel .. but Israel will nowadays always stand straight with US current government. That’s a rule, like 1+1=2.

Posted by: spare_truth | Dec 14 2022 21:51 utc | 173

Is it fair to say that MIM-104 Patriot is THE AD backbone of the US empire? It’s actually only a few NATO countries that have it. On the other hand, really every unfortunate US protectorate has it – Germany, Saudi-Arabia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines. Interestingly, but I think this has been mentioned here already, Israel had opted for going beyond the Patriot system years ago.
It’ll be interesting to see if South Korea, Saudi-Arabia or Japan are really willing to donate missiles. Zelly will of course beg and harass and pester them as much as he can, but I have my doubts.
The prices B cites for the battery and the missile may be somewhat outdated. Maybe double the amount?
Is it this US unit which is currently in Poland and about to be sent into Ukraine?
The issue of Bundeswehr soldiers being stationed in Poland, of all places, and on a permanent basis – I’ll believe it when I see it.

Paul Greenwood | Dec 14 2022 12:40 utc | 41
“Leos – has Germany ever produced a low-maintenance vehicle ?”
How about this one or this one? Just kidding.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 14 2022 21:56 utc | 174

Patriot? There is no such thing in america. Oh and that a weapon is ascribed emotion tells u all u need know.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 14 2022 21:58 utc | 175

Johnycomelately @159
No the Russian shortage of cheap drones did not arise from a manufacturing deficit. It arose from the Russians making the same weapons procurement mistakes that America made, Specifically, the Russians focused upon developing highly capable, but equally highly expensive drones. Think of the Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B, for instance. A very capable drone, no doubt, but far too expensive to risk doing routine reconnaissance in contested airspace or dropping grenades in enemy trenches. Even relatively cheap drones like the bayraktar are misused in such environments, as the Ukraine lost all of theirs almost immediately when the conflict started.
The Russians have since re-evaluated their priorities and have directed resources away from relatively useless big-ticket prestige projects and towards weapons that actually serve a purpose in the kind of battlefield environment they have shaped in the Ukraine. Orlan 10 and Lancet drones began to arrive on the battlefield in large numbers back in October, and Russia started domestic serial production of other loitering munitions as well.
Russia’s problem where drone warfare was concerned was conceptual, not industrial. Conceptual mistakes can be rapidly corrected, particularly when you have an ally like Russia has with Iran who can tell you “Look, dummy, you’re doing it wrong.”
America doesn’t have such an ally, so America will continue to do it wrong.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 14 2022 21:58 utc | 176

US Air Force veteran freed in Russia prisoner swap, Ukraine says
A U.S. Air Force veteran captured by Russian forces in Ukraine this year has been released from occupied territory as part of a prisoner swap between Moscow and Kyiv, a senior Ukrainian official and the detainee’s family said Wednesday.
Suedi Murekezi, a native of Rwanda who has lived in Ukraine since 2018, was detained in June.
He had been working in the technology industry and decided not to leave after Russia invaded, his family said.
His captors accused him of taking part in pro-Ukrainian protests, and he is not believed to have been involved in the fighting, they said.
Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukraine’s presidential office, wrote on Twitter that Murekezi was released alongside 64 Ukrainian prisoners of war who had been fighting in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
He described Murekezi as “a U.S. citizen who helped our people.”
The bodies of four other Ukrainians were also repatriated, Yermak added.
_Washington Post. No link because fuck no.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 21:59 utc | 177

Now Western tools and machines make everything in Russian industry.
Posted by: Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 21:16 utc | 164
By “Western” you mean “Made in China”?

Posted by: averros | Dec 14 2022 22:10 utc | 178

Vid: Loading an intercontinental ballistic missile(ICBM) of the “Yars” complex into a silo launcher at the Kozelsky missile formation in the Kaluga region.
>…corporate media coverage..
>… So Patriot missiles to Ukraine. All ok.
>waaaargh… No. This is not allowed:
“I have evidence that indicates a deal has been struck for ballistic missiles from Iran to Russia”
“US is concerned about the “expansion” of Russian-Iranian military cooperation.”-John Kirby
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1603099978578235393

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 22:14 utc | 179

Posted by: Down South | Dec 14 2022 17:12 utc | 113

“.. The Odessa regional state administration has decided to remain completely silent about the electricity situation in the Odessa region …”

Thanks for referring these some other “facts”.
Let’s wait what may have to refer on next days ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Dec 14 2022 22:33 utc | 180

“…gas station with nukes…”
Let’s compare this arrogant platitude with Norway, the eighth most happy country in the world according to CNN (US @ #16). Shares of export sectors from top ten lists (see links):
Rank #1 Mineral fuels including oil: Russia 43%, Norway 66.8%
Rank #2 Gems, precious metals: Russia 6.4% — Fish Norway 8.4%
Machinery including computers: Russia $10.7 billion (2.2%, rank #6), Norway $4.5 billion (2.8%, rank#4). My takeaway: Norway’s exports are to 75% oil and fish, Russia’s to 50% oil and precious metals. Russia exports twice as much machinery than Norway.
For a broader overview of Russia’s connection with the world, read CHAPTER III here

Posted by: OttoE | Dec 14 2022 22:33 utc | 181

US Air Force veteran freed in Russia prisoner swap, Ukraine says
A U.S. Air Force veteran captured by Russian forces in Ukraine this year has been released from occupied territory as part of a prisoner swap between Moscow and Kyiv, a senior Ukrainian official and the detainee’s family said Wednesday.
Suedi Murekezi, a native of Rwanda who has lived in Ukraine since 2018, was detained in June.
He had been working in the technology industry and decided not to leave after Russia invaded, his family said.
His captors accused him of taking part in pro-Ukrainian protests, and he is not believed to have been involved in the fighting, they said.
Andriy Yermak, the head of Ukraine’s presidential office, wrote on Twitter that Murekezi was released alongside 64 Ukrainian prisoners of war who had been fighting in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
He described Murekezi as “a U.S. citizen who helped our people.”
The bodies of four other Ukrainians were also repatriated, Yermak added.
_Washington Post. No link because fuck no.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 21:59 utc | 176
No info on what Russians or Donbass fighters were released. Russian allies should have more of a “take no prisoner” way of fighting because the captured soldiers are released quickly. Even the Chechens were upset at how the Azovstal fighters, that they lost their lives against in the fighting, were released after several weeks.

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 14 2022 22:34 utc | 182

The Russians will most likely perceive such a move as a move to be able to challenge air superiority over Ukraine. By themselves the batteries will be able to make the safe zones for Russian flights (sorties) much less safe, but used in coordination with a viable opposing airforce they would be much more dangerous. If this is done there will be a response.

Posted by: Josh | Dec 14 2022 22:38 utc | 183

A simple update of the Abrahms battle tank may be in order before delivering them to the Ukraine. It would be very helpful to add a latching mechanism to the hatch so they don’t need to be welded shut. Much time would be saved with a simple latch that could be screwed down just before battle. No more need for welding crews. Of course it would then be easier for the Russians to open the hatches when the crews defect but that’s just another wartime trade off.

Posted by: Chas | Dec 14 2022 22:42 utc | 184

The Russians are certainly aware of the fact that none of the nato forces along the borders of the conflict zone have been moved away from the zone, and it’s a pretty good bet that they have some pretty accurate information about the disposition of airforces within range of the zone (not to mention the rest of their borders). I cannot guess what their response would be, but I can guess that it would not be a pleasant one.

Posted by: Josh | Dec 14 2022 22:52 utc | 185

The Patriots Ukraine would be getting are a downgrade from the S-300 systems that were in use. Less survivability. If kept hidden the Patriots will still act as a pretty good deterrent to manned flights over Ukraine proper.
Seems kind of desperate.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 14 2022 22:56 utc | 186

Isreal will never join Ukraine vs. Russia. Israeli’s have a strong survival instinct and are smart enough to know this could go nuclear pretty easily.
They are hoping to not be on the 4 or 5 star target list as given the size, location and geography of Isreal, there isn’t much chance for even their underground bunkers to survive and nobody will survive above ground.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 14 2022 23:03 utc | 187

Winter has finally arrived in Berlin. It is -9 degrees just now. I wonder how their gas storage is going. This is the REAL test for Germany and the EU.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 14 2022 23:04 utc | 188

I find so hilarious the NYT Ukraine war report.
THIs is the pic of today

Posted by: GuyMontag | Dec 14 2022 23:05 utc | 189

Posted by: Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 21:16 utc | 164
You are hilarious! What a sad and silly expose you have written. Wishful thinking!
The biggest goal for Putin in this war is to break away from the west. China, India, Iran and others will make everything Russia needs that they can’t supply for themselves. That is also the biggest reason for the slow pace, it has given Russia time to reorient supply chains and domestic industry.
It is the west who is running out of time and in need of urgent action to change the Tempo of this affair.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 14 2022 23:09 utc | 190

Here’s some info, maybe the patriots are coming in because ukraine(and the whole west) are running out of s300 missles.
I guess the energy attacks depleted their reserves. I don’t think the us wanted to do it, but maybe Zelensky said send them or we start winding the war down.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-air-defence-s300-buk-expire

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 23:11 utc | 191

The Rand Report from 2019 blows up the notion that we care about Ukraine.
American Foreign Policy – Zero Sum Game

Posted by: Will | Dec 14 2022 23:11 utc | 192

Combined with the attacks on the electrical grid and infrastructure, at a certain point, Ukraine will collapse. Even if it limps along, it will still be effectively demilitarized, and no longer a serious threat to Russia.
Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Dec 14 2022 12:25 utc | 35

As long as Ukraine is willing to accept weapons from the USA, they will never be demilitarized for long.

Posted by: Simon | Dec 14 2022 23:18 utc | 193

@189;
You are probably right. Sorry, I was drinking.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Dec 14 2022 23:20 utc | 194

Well, Maria Zakharova has already warned the US that sending and placing intermediate and long range missiles forbidden by previous treaties in Ukraine is a RED LINE and equates placing them in any of the European NATO countries…
I can not find the video now but was during a briefing where María was wearing a green pullover….
Then declarations by Peshkov on that relations with the West countries escalate to the level of confrontation….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 14 2022 23:22 utc | 195

watcher | Dec 14 2022 23:04 utc | 187
“……wonder how their gas storage is going”….
Daily EU NG inventory by year.
Europe NG storage is at 87.3% of capacity.
That is +14.7% vs 5yr avg
https://twitter.com/Ronh999/status/1603028573979303936
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Interesting:
>… 44 people were arrested in Istanbul, charged with espionage on behalf of Israeli Mossad, Turkish media reports said.
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And the RoW keeps finding new synergies away from US oversight…..
>…Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrives in Turkmenistan to attend first summit between leaders of Türkiye, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan.
>…Türkiye-Azerbaijan-Turkmenistan trilateral summit is being held in Turkmenistan’s Awaza city
> Steps to be taken in fields of energy, natural gas & transportation have great importance
– Awaza trilateral summit to mark history
> Permanent membership of Turkmenistan to Organization of Turkic States will strengthen organisation
– Pleased with decision taken on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
> During tripartite summit in Turkmenistan, presidents will sign several agreements which aim to strengthen cooperation. Hasan Abdullah has more from Awaza
> Turkish President Erdogan at Awaza summit:
– Turkmenistan’s full membership in Organisation of Turkic States would strengthen group
– We need to start working on transfer of Turkmen natural gas to Western markets
> President Erdogan on Ukraine-Russia conflict:
– Türkiye continues talks with Russia, Ukraine to end war
– We witnessed, along with the grain agreement and exchange of prisoners, the way to peace can be paved if diplomacy is given an opportunity.
> Turkish President Erdogan says new opportunities will be explored for regional progress.
> Turkish FM Mevlut Cavusoglu on trilateral foreign ministers’ meeting:
– We have strong cooperation in fields of energy, trade, economy & science that will be further developed
– We’ll strengthen our cooperation against regional & global limitations, on regional & int’l platforms
> Turkish FM Cavusoglu:
– Most important concept of summit was energy cooperation & security
– Turkic world in middle of uninterrupted supply chain between East-West
– As countries located around Caspian Basin, our geographical location shows how strong we’re when we come together.
https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1602901570475155457
Erdogan to Float Turkmen Gas Supply Idea in Talks Next Week
9 December 2022
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will use talks with the presidents of Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan next week to revive an idea of bringing Turkmen natural gas via his country to Europe, senior Turkish officials said, but any solution would likely take years to implement. 
The idea would be to carry the gas on ships to Azerbaijan and then pump it into the Southern Gas Corridor chain of pipelines connecting Azerbaijan with Europe via Georgia and Turkey, said the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-09/erdogan-to-float-turkmen-gas-supply-idea-in-talks-next-week

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 23:29 utc | 196

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 14 2022 17:11 utc | 112
You’re not going to note that the west can’t find most of that $300B? Interesting you’d chose to ignore that facet of the story.
Russia has problems to solve. Literally no nation has ever gone to war and had it gone according to plan or not been confronted with problems it needs to solve both within the war and as a result of the lessons learned. I find it consistently odd that the expectations for Russia are so high, given that it was a failed state 20 years ago. Yes, there is danger to Russia in the conflict dragging out, in potential mistakes, in the US escalating, etc. But given that the US hasn’t won a war since 1945 even though it’s been almost continuously at war since then, I’m always confused by people expecting US success being right around the corner.
My conclusion is that people with that perspective are Americans who, regardless of opinion, are fully infected with the American zombie virus that makes so many of us incapable of assessing reality.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 14 2022 23:36 utc | 197

Why does puppet Zelensky need more air defence systems when he claimed that Ukraine shot down 13 out of 13 Russian drones in Ki’iv yesterday?
I’ve never seen so many layers of bullshit build up in all my life and I come from a rural farming background.
Brian Berletic (The New Atlas) on youtube has an excellent video on the uselessness of the Patriots, the newest (and oldest) wonder weapons to be sent. The US has to scramble around the world to even find stocks. And who profits again in making more after negotiating an absurd price? = Lockheed-Martin.
The US’s stated purpose of involvement in the war in Ukraine is all about “weakening Russia”, but it seems that the US and NATO are weakening themselves by using up their own ammunitions, shells, rockets, missiles, and military hardware. And they are in no way capable of producing replacements at the speed Russia can.
There have never been greater fools in control in the White House, and given the gathering of Young Republicans in Manhattan last weekend where speakers clearly stated that they wanted “total war” everywhere, there is no hope from that side either. Several neo-Nazi groups from Europe were invited plus Steve Bannon, and many other neo-fascists were all there for what I call a ‘hate-in’. The US is clearly in utter decline and living off hubris and arrogance which in turn is based on false assumptions of its actual current military power.

Posted by: George | Dec 14 2022 23:38 utc | 198

Poland. Being Poland.
>…The lower house of the Polish Parliament (Sejm) on Wednesday evening adopted a resolution recognizing Russia as a country supporting terrorism.
231 deputies voted for the adoption of the resolution, 226 parliamentarians did not participate in this vote.
> “The Sejm of the Republic of Poland recognizes the Russian Federation as a state supporting terrorism and using terrorist methods,” the text of the document says.
> The text of the resolution claims that Russia is “directly responsible” for the crash of the Malaysian Airlines plane (flight MH17) in July 2014 and for the crash of the Polish government airliner near Smolensk in April 2010.
> According to the document, Russia “systematically violates human rights, international law and the UN Charter and a number of other obligations”,
> “attacks the territories of other states, commits armed attacks, war crimes and genocide” and “engages in hostile economic activities”, in particular, in the field of energy.
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1603161333981118464

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 14 2022 23:41 utc | 199

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 14 2022 20:51 utc | 157
The crossing points being used are, in some cases hundreds of kilometers from Belarus and maybe a thousand kilometers from Russia. Nobody has artillery with that kind of range. Even rockets and missiles will take several minutes to get there. Thinking of the border areas west of Lviv.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 14 2022 23:42 utc | 200