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December 06, 2022

U.S. No Longer Supports Fight For Crimea

The U.S. seems to have changed its position with regards to Crimea.

Blinken in August 2022:

Secretary Antony Blinken @SecBlinken - 16:46 UTC · Aug 23, 2022
United States government official

In my remarks to the Crimea Platform Summit, I urged the international community to keep raising the costs and pressure on President Putin and his enablers until all Russian troops leave Ukraine. Crimea is Ukraine. That was our position in 2014, and it remains in 2022.
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Same dude, yesterday:

Secretary Antony J. Blinken With Editor in Chief Matt Murray At The Wall Street Journal CEO Council Summit

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Our focus is on continuing to do what we’ve been doing, which is to make sure that Ukraine has in its hands what it needs to defend itself, what it needs to push back against the Russian aggression, to take back territory that’s been seized from it since February 24th, to make sure as well that it has the support economically and on a humanitarian basis to withstand what’s happening in the country every single day. That’s our focus.

"Territory that’s been seized from [Ukraine] since February 24th" obviously does not include Crimea which Russia 'seized' in 2014. This then is a significant shift in the position Blinken had earlier underlined.

Posted by b on December 6, 2022 at 13:11 UTC | Permalink

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Don Bacon | Dec 7 2022 16:07 utc | 495


Don't forget who was Time's Man Of The Year for 1939.... and he came to an unfortunate end.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 7 2022 16:45 utc | 501

@Karlof1

Here you have some fresh stuff, the transcript is not complete yet and in Russian, by the time it is processed the whole thing might be up and in English. Some headlines from this meeting are starting to appear in Russian media.

Meeting of the Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights

Posted by: Paco | Dec 7 2022 16:53 utc | 502

@ YetAnotherAnon | Dec 7 2022 16:45 utc | 501

thanks for that..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2022 17:20 utc | 503

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 7 2022 15:45 utc | 490

thanks tom...i hadda look.

still not quite switched on yet. (booze)

Posted by: harryash | Dec 7 2022 17:24 utc | 504

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 11:39 utc | 461

Agreed, at some price high enough to keep SPR drawdown ongoing, even if at a slower pace. Perhaps we’ll learn more during or after Xi’s visit to KSA,

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 7 2022 17:24 utc | 505

@SeanAU 408

American serfs may be permitted the delusion that they are free, in order to better enslave them ('None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free' -- Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe), but that does not mean that they have the power to influence any significant action, or even to communicate outside of the strictly managed Overton window, and without such ability there can be no responsibility.

The total and complete mess that the US hegemony has made of the world and itself through it's stupid, brutal, shortsighted, selfish and greedy actions, is entirely caused by the wealthy and powerful oligarchs who have controlled everything worth controlling in the USA from before there even was a USA.

Posted by: Hermit | Dec 7 2022 17:32 utc | 506

Posted by: rk | Dec 7 2022 14:09 utc | 477

RF satellites need to fly over an RF-allied downlink station to download imagery so the delay makes it practically impossible to hit evasive targets. More or better satellites can help to spot launches but there is still the problem of downlink bandwidth and delay.

NATO can spot valuable targets from space a blow them up with HIMARS a few hours later because they’re not really trying to defend anything so they don’t care about RF’s mobile launchers.

Agreed that better / integrated drone surveillance would help RF in the slow and costly battle to clear Donbas of UA forces. If true, there is no excuse for the claimed delay in getting fire support.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 7 2022 18:18 utc | 507

Posted by: rk | Dec 7 2022 14:09 utc | 477

Thanks for your reply. So what you are saying is that the forces hunkered down in bunkers who are so difficult to dislodge even after 9 months are not the ones doing the shelling, but mobile hard to find HIMARS and other units doing hit and run bombardments?

Fair enough. Makes sense.

Though it doesn't answer why they don't bomb those bunkers to bits even if they aren't the ones doing the shelling.

I don't try to follow the kinetics. Just way too much data to keep track of and probably most of it is wrong anyway. Have no investment in any opinion about this but it's the one thing about the SMO that strikes me as very strange, that after 9 months people walking down the street in Donetsk going into a supermarket or whatever can suddenly get blown to bits.

The cynic in me says that maybe the Kremlin is fine with this because it will keep the Russian people enraged and thus supportive, but I don't believe this, it's just too simple.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 7 2022 19:26 utc | 508

than people on message boards who have come to believe it.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 6 2022 20:54 utc | 183

Come to believe it? Or come to try to discredit the bar with anti-Semitic bullshit?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 7 2022 20:11 utc | 509

feel that QANON is itself a US Deep state troll, designed to make protesters against the increasingly feudal US society seem debased and stupid, it may be that H** is simply one of their more stupid dupes.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 6 2022 20:58 utc | 186e

Excellent point, I agree. And don't forget the guy with the buffalo horns at the Capitol.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 7 2022 20:18 utc | 510

I think that there has been a policy shift

I just read this in the very pro US influential journal

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/go-slow-crimea.

Basically it is saying that Crimea is impossible for now, but Ukraine should put the pressure on around the sea of Azov, to disrupt water supply (in other words, they would have destroyed the dam but Russia stopped this by evacuating, but it might still be a good strategy).

So if this is what some of the elite are thinking now, it seems Blinken was not having a slip of the tongue.

Fear of nuclear escalation is also runs through the article.

Posted by: watcher | Dec 7 2022 21:30 utc | 511

Yes, fair points there.

.. but that does not mean that they have the power to influence any significant action, or even to communicate outside of the strictly managed Overton window, and without such ability there can be no responsibility.
Posted by: Hermit | Dec 7 2022 17:32 utc | 506


I agree that is a valid point to make, because in many ways it is very true. the " ability " aspect I still think is a moveable line that is not so clear cut. some are more responsible than others, and avoid it - would that be a fairer more reasonable way to put it? cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 23:56 utc | 512

Posted by: morongobill | Dec 6 2022 15:50 utc | 54

Hey homie!

Posted by: Bones | Dec 8 2022 5:23 utc | 513

karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:25 utc | 238
Don’t give up on us here.
We rely on you bringing the best stuff straight from Putin n Lavrov.
Only b can stop the shit at source… but we don’t have to step in it…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:29 utc | 2

Seconded! These are clever scoundrels - perhaps the best and the brightest. But in the end their words, as my Pop used to say, are no more than a fart on a bus in the wintertime.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 8 2022 5:33 utc | 514

In the meantime can we get on with the subject of this thread

Its called Ukraine.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 22:56 utc | 254

Like I said: a fart on a bus in wintertime.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 8 2022 5:41 utc | 515

Posted by: Drifter | Dec 6 2022 22:19 utc | 235

Yep. That's how I see it, too.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 10 2022 10:57 utc | 516

Russia pulled the US into its own trap https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
Macgregor on the politics of war. https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1601494341586821120?cxt=HHwWgIClwcun07ksAAAA

Marc, I don't agree with some of what you write but your heart is in the right place. Keep on keeping on. Cheers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2022 12:09 utc | 517

Posted by: petra | Dec 6 2022 16:49 utc | 76

Generally known as a 'Mondegreen' - from the misapprehension of the words of the song 'The Bonnie Earl o' Moray', to wit:

"They have slain the Earl o' Moray, and Lady Mondegreen" - actually - "They have slain the Earl o' Moray, and laid him on the green"

"It's a wonderful, wonderful life"

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Dec 23 2022 17:10 utc | 518

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