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December 6, 2022
U.S. No Longer Supports Fight For Crimea

The U.S. seems to have changed its position with regards to Crimea.

Blinken in August 2022:

Secretary Antony Blinken @SecBlinken – 16:46 UTC · Aug 23, 2022
United States government official

In my remarks to the Crimea Platform Summit, I urged the international community to keep raising the costs and pressure on President Putin and his enablers until all Russian troops leave Ukraine. Crimea is Ukraine. That was our position in 2014, and it remains in 2022.
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Same dude, yesterday:

Secretary Antony J. Blinken With Editor in Chief Matt Murray At The Wall Street Journal CEO Council Summit

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Our focus is on continuing to do what we’ve been doing, which is to make sure that Ukraine has in its hands what it needs to defend itself, what it needs to push back against the Russian aggression, to take back territory that’s been seized from it since February 24th, to make sure as well that it has the support economically and on a humanitarian basis to withstand what’s happening in the country every single day. That’s our focus.

"Territory that’s been seized from [Ukraine] since February 24th" obviously does not include Crimea which Russia 'seized' in 2014. This then is a significant shift in the position Blinken had earlier underlined.

Posted by b on December 6, 2022 at 13:11 UTC | Permalink
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PH | Dec 6 2022 19:44 utc | 139
Ukraine weapons to Africa….
Ukraine weapons oscillating across the oceans to Colombia/ Venezuela.
Nov30:
Venezuelan resources publish photos of the NLAW anti-tank systems delivered to Ukraine, which have already appeared on sale in Latin America.
These samples were seized on the border between Colombia and Venezuela.
https://t.me/intelslava/42059
How likely connected with the Chevron/Venezuela deal signed at about the same time.
Fun fact: It was a strike at the Chevron plant that kick started the attempted Kazakhstan color revolution in Dec 2021.
And. It was on a stage with Chevron decals in background that Cookie Nuland boasted the US had spent $5billion on the color revolution in Ukraine…..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:19 utc | 201

karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 17:30 utc | 93
thanks for sharing. one learns much about you from your comments. all that loss of freedom has sure kept the US out of the affairs of Saudi Arabia, hasn’t it? people who believe in something don’t sacrifice that thing to achieve some other objective. if people have the right to contraception, then it is not a good thing, it is quite the opposite, that they are forced to sacrifice that right to keep USAID or whatever out.
and your smugness is repugnant.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 6 2022 21:22 utc | 202

Caveman | Dec 6 2022 19:53 utc | 144
So. What was that bullshit weblink you signed with…. IP catcher?
trakkker?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:24 utc | 203

Drifter 194
You wish. The yanks attacked Vietnam for the same reason they ste now attacking Russia, on the pathetic pretext of ideological disagreement with their political aspirations, but with the underlying conviction of their own military superiority. Cowboys with guns against Injuns with arrows.
You have it arse about front, my friend.
This time the hypersonic weapons are pointing the other way.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2022 21:25 utc | 204

The US establishment seems to be realizing it is losing this war. They want and need a deal. They float ideas like a ceasefire to gain time to rearm Ukraine.
Will Putin be fooled?

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Dec 6 2022 21:25 utc | 205

Mark Thomason 204
Rearm or ream ?
The US is sharpening its swords into ploughshares, once it has privatised Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2022 21:30 utc | 206

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:24 utc | 202
It’s my band’s website, but I missed a letter. If you’re on a desktop, you can hover over it and see I spelled bandcamp wrong. I’m just an idiot, that’s all.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 6 2022 21:31 utc | 207

Re the U$ “front running” the missile strikes deep into Russia with loud megaphone across global CORPORATE media… “we disabled OUR missiles so they *can’t possibly” reach into Russia……”
There’s this:
December 2;
December 2:
”Russia is preparing another powerful air raid on Ukraine, writes Der Spiegel.
The publication published satellite images of the Engels-2 military airfield, which is located near the Russian city of Saratov.
“Actual satellite imagery shows unusual movement at a key Russian military airport. Experts see Engels-2 on high alert and warn of a powerful new air raid on Ukraine.
Allrighty then… who? Was watching Engels-2 ?
And. Who? Provided this intel to Der Spiegel just days prior to a drone attack/ sabotage incident?
https://t.me/intelslava/42128

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:31 utc | 208

@194 (Drifter)
“The logical conclusion is that VVP is a frustrated globalist who just wants Russia to be respected and have an equal seat at the inevitable NWO great reset table. Why should anyone fight or die for that?”
While I don’t necessarily disagree with everything you say, the above is anything but a logical conclusion, it is about as illogical as it gets.
If he wanted to be part of that club, he could have been (and was at one point), and he would have been accorded the necessary positive PR to sell it to the world.
I do suspect there is more to this than we are privy to, but I just don’t see Putin as a man who wanted to sell out, but wasn’t happy with the price.

Posted by: Bob Jenkin | Dec 6 2022 21:32 utc | 209

Caveman | Dec 6 2022 21:31 utc | 206
Bullshit. I do hover before clicking…. A simple website doesn’t need redirects.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:35 utc | 210

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 21:35 utc | 209
I don’t know what to tell ya. I meant to write bravecavemen.bandcamp.com, and I accidentally wrote bravecavemen.bandcmp.com. Why it redirects I do not know. I play music, not people.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 6 2022 21:38 utc | 211

@ Caveman – I vouch for you bro.
What instrument do you play ? What kinda style ?

Posted by: Marc (featherless) | Dec 6 2022 21:39 utc | 212

Posted by: Marc (featherless) | Dec 6 2022 21:39 utc | 211
I play mostly piano, although we all play bass on those tracks. It’s rock, we call it No World. Old punks and weirdos playing jams.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 6 2022 21:40 utc | 213

We asked some Kurds what they thought about Islamic State. ‘ we’ll tell you later ‘ they replied. We asked Pakistanis about Islamic State. ‘ the real Islam’ they replied. So nobody should be ashamed of being fooled by Western propaganda.
The important thing to remember about USUKIS terrorist proxies, is that they are only bad when the Fat Lady Sings and Usukis gets its pirates booty.
Nobody misses Islamic State, but it is only thanks to Russia that usukis did not succeed in controlling the entire Sham

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 6 2022 21:40 utc | 214

@ Melaleuca – I think this guy is OK.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 21:41 utc | 215

Melaleuca @200–
Outlaw US Empire corporations have long been the cause of coups and the rise of death squads within nations they occupy/extort/exploit/etc. going back over 100 years. Quite different from Russia’s Third Way, the Empire’s Public-Private Partnerships are decidedly Imperialistic as the host nation’s government must be controlled to allow the type of exploitation desired along with related media suppression of their activities–How long would Coca Cola survive as a brand if it were known to be killing union organizers in Colombia, for example? And then there’s this obvious question I’ve never seen asked: Why hasn’t Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket topped 100 million in sales since its publication? I made it required reading in my US History courses.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:42 utc | 216

The one thing that hasn’t shifted regardless of what Blinken said or intended is using Ukraine as cannon fodder for American interests. I don’t agree with Russia’s slow and insufficient use of force because it drags out the conflict unnecessarily. However, the West’s words and their actions are contradictory. They say they want Ukraine to retake their territory, but they are always putting restrictions on Ukraine that would aid towards that end. They use political and financial coercion against Ukraine and they give them insufficient arms or sabotage the weapon systems so they cannot be fully utilized. Ukraine is compelled to fight and Russia doesn’t have the will to end it.

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Dec 6 2022 21:43 utc | 217

There are some very sick people here, and I decline to be associated with their disease.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:45 utc | 218

@ Karlof
Could you please clarify ?

Posted by: Featherless | Dec 6 2022 21:49 utc | 219

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Dec 6 2022 21:43 utc | 216
Are you simply ignoring the U.S.’s earlier statements that its objective in Ukraine was to bleed Russia’s military and economic strength rather than help Ukraine in the way you describe?

Posted by: StirThePot | Dec 6 2022 21:52 utc | 220

Blinken is a lying stinking scumbag and he is doing exactly the same toward China. Here is a discussion of current events and history of China. These are the things that Blinken and his acolytes are incapable of recognising.
Blinken is an ignorant supremacist and narcissistic, racist pos. I trust that is an adequate reveal of his reality.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 6 2022 21:53 utc | 221

Sam Pisar was a heavy player in US gov.. He was also Robt. Hoch Maxwell’s atty and dear friend for many years up until Hoch’s suicide/murder death on the Lady Ghislaine. Did Khashoggi buy the Lady Ghis afterward?
Ghislaine and Antony Blinken are the same age within a year or so.
Their fathers were very close. It is more likely than not that they were childhood friends who grew up together.
Blinken was in the Obama admin. Maybe the Clinton admin also. Blinken’s sister, Leah Pisar was a minder for Bill Clinton.
Blinken’s wife follows Joe Biden around presumably to wipe his nose and point him to the bathroom.
The rot runs so deep as to be a fecking joke.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Dec 6 2022 21:54 utc | 222

Ed | Dec 6 2022 21:13 utc | 196
There has been a number of Changes since the last Sullivan Patrushev talks. Russia pulled out of right bank Kherson, nuke propaganda is gone from the MSM replaced by US running out of ammo.
What we see now is the Brits trying to pull US back in. From the Ukraine TG channels it becomes obvious MI6 are Zelensky’s handlers and not the CIA. The brits are not loud and in your face like Americans but watching this it becomes clear they are running far larger influence operations in Ukraine and Poland than the US. The larger than usual bombardment of civilian areas in Russian Donbas, the strikes deep into Russia – these things will be British ops to try and escalate the war.
The Brits cannot continue their war against Russia without US weapon and ammo supplies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2022 21:54 utc | 223

In response to
”
There are some very sick people here, and I decline to be associated with their disease.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:45 utc | 217
”
Agreed! No decency or respect for the bar. No adding value to the thread focus as requested, fellating each other to establish cred and talking down to others…..
Do they know how stupid they look to the regular readers and posters at the bar? I doubt it…they are not paid to show some semblance of human morals

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 21:56 utc | 224

Why hasn’t Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket topped 100 million in sales since its publication? I made it required reading in my US History courses.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:42 utc | 215
karlof1…..
who do you think maintains and organizes public opinion to their advantage.
have you never read the protocols.
If you are a history teacher and has no understanding of those….
I think possibly plumbing might be more suitable….or join the military.
I hate to think what u might have taught them about confederacy and the american civil war.
I imagine that you possibly have a whole new concept…lol
please enlighten us.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 21:57 utc | 225

@ psychohistorian
WHOM ?

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 21:58 utc | 226

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 21:56 utc | 223
My apologies. I’m done posting. Apologies to all. I messed up the thread.

Posted by: Caveman | Dec 6 2022 21:58 utc | 227

karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:14 utc | 198
It’s what I want. Nothing to do with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
Vlad is doing OK and has no need to push the button.
Such is life

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 22:01 utc | 228

@ Caveman – nah, you’re fine.
But ideally we’d be on a different thread, perhaps called « OTHER ROOM ».

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:06 utc | 229

Marc | Dec 6 2022 20:32 utc | 164
It doesn’t interest me.
Neither does BLM, CRT, wokeism, antiwokeism, Free speech, LGBT (both sides), Climate wars, Covid war etc etc.
Anything that your rulers use to keep you all divided is a turn off for me. You are all too stupid to see it for what it really is.
Such is life.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 22:07 utc | 230

@179
I think we can all agree Hiroshima was a mistake. To destroy a civilian city is an appalling war crime. Japan’s decision to join with the Natsi’s was their free choice. When we look at history, how allegiances change war looks even more stupid.
Posted by: Davy Crocket | Dec 6 2022 21:08 utc | 191
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Why that was mighty gracious of you Davy, but what about the bombing of the Serbian infrastructure in 1999, or the Shock and awe in 2003 (which killed almost 100,000 civilians).? Have you seen the infastructure in Syria after the US finished with it? Also, Libya after H. Clinton and Obama (with NATO assistances’) finished with it.
If you really want a good time, go view old newsreels of Dresden, Germany. Or, how about the dams and infostructure in North Vietnam. John McCain got shot down after firing missiles at life supporting water dams and other infastructure (including electrical power stations) in N. Vietnam.
So, Davy Crocket, what say you.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 6 2022 22:08 utc | 231

@ Klaatu
I completely agree with all that. It’s OBFUSCATORY BS. traps.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:10 utc | 232

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2022 21:54 utc | 222
How does the UK (think they) benefit from escalating the war?

Posted by: catdog | Dec 6 2022 22:12 utc | 233

@ catdog
Easy : the Population is stuck there, but the deal-makers can get on jets and buy villas elsewhere.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:17 utc | 234

I do suspect there is more to this than we are privy to, but I just don’t see Putin as a man who wanted to sell out, but wasn’t happy with the price.
Posted by: Bob Jenkin | Dec 6 2022 21:32 utc | 208

I was on the fence about the issue until Lavrov signed off on the G20 statement supporting essentially the entire WEF Great Reset programme, including vaccine passports. So much for the rift between the RF and Klaus Schwab. The deal has already been done, what the RF has settled for is unknown. However, I would bet money that the RF doesn’t roll to the Polish border or even the entire left bank of the Dnieper. This ends in a deal, although likely a better one for the RF than Minsk 3. Meanwhile, a Kabuki Theatre war will grind on, where the deaths and dismemberments are real, but the strategic goals are little more than running out the clock until the deal can be unveiled with acceptable optics for both parties.

Posted by: Drifter | Dec 6 2022 22:19 utc | 235

Bob Jenkin | Dec 6 2022 21:32 utc | 208
V.V.P is a true patriot. He believes he is doing the best for his people.
He is not a magician who plays multi dimensional chess while the Empire plays snakes and ladders, but this is an understandable conclusion if you compare the Kremlin to the DC beltway.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 22:20 utc | 236

@ karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 21:42 utc | 215
Why hasn’t Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket topped 100 million in sales since its publication? I made it required reading in my US History courses.
In December 2002 like a lot of others I marched in a protest parade. I had just formed the ‘Smedley Butler Society’ on the web, so wife and I held either end of the large Smedley Butler Society banner as we marched on city streets.. We were going to have an impact!. . .Well, no.
That was enjoyable but of course it had no effect on anything.
But at the march site was a wonderful young man who recited Butler’s words, word for word. Didn’t miss anything. That was so nice. It made my day. Here’s what he said, from his memory:

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2022 22:20 utc | 237

Not a weapons guy. Got this from twitter … guys seem to think it a bug deal?
LRSO integration has been demonstrated on the B-52 via multiple captive carry and release missions. This refinement of LRSO-to-B52 integration will continue throughout the LRSO EMD phase. Integration is on-track to support IOC”
*LRSO = Long Range Stand-off
*IOC = Indicator of compromise (i think?)
“The Long Range Stand-Off Missile is USAF’s next gen survivable cruise missile capable of delivering nuclear effects. Several traditional acq metrics for #LRSO are classified but latest docs reveal that the next milestones are CDR in 2023 with M-C expected in 2027 & FRP in 2029.”
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1599479615537393665
@bar…. Is this something? Or not really?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:21 utc | 238

psychohistorian @223–
Yes, this thread’s been very revealing as so many have dropped their pants so-to-speak and revealed themselves for what they are and aren’t. One need only count the number of valid comments on this tread associated in some manner with the thread topic to determine that amount is perhaps 25%.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:25 utc | 239

@ Drifter
I strongly request that you keep watching the WEF/Russia etc. situation.
IMO it’s a concern worth keeping an eye on.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:25 utc | 240

@ Karlof – FINE.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:27 utc | 241

karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:25 utc | 238
Don’t give up on us here.
We rely on you bringing the best stuff straight from Putin n Lavrov.
Only b can stop the shit at source… but we don’t have to step in it…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:29 utc | 242

Kiev regime soldier POW evaluates the rate of training he received in the UK. He says that in the UK, they were taught to “dig trenches” and “run around in small groups of 2 or 3”. He also said that they were attempted to be taught to fight inside a city environment, storming and defending buildings.
That might very well equate to UAF tactics we’ve seen so far, where they continuously form new small groups and send them in different directions trying to attack in different sections of the front, probably probing for potential weak spots. Theoretically, one could think that this mitigates artillery advantage but in practice it hasn’t, since Russians have just dispersed their own artilleries to cover more area.
Nato prepared, and is still preparing, for this war with the assumption that Russians would be storming cities, which with the exclusion of Mariupol hasn’t happened since it’s not, or wasn’t their strategy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VBOb82gk4

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 6 2022 22:30 utc | 243

@bar…. Is this something? Or not really?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:21 utc | 237
Mainly renewed life for the B-52. IIRC this is a mechanism to drop missiles from the belly of B-52. You could have just the missiles, but this way you get to still have pilots and pretend B-52s are game-changers. To be fair, it is a way to extend the range of the missiles.
IOC – initial operational capability “thought to be useful for something”.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 22:31 utc | 244

@ Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2022 22:20 utc | 236
A yes, Smedley Butler who had a full 33+ year military “rackiteer” career decides to make a full confession and exposé only after he is passed over for a promotion to the top job.
At least he didn’t have his former boss killed like Alan Dulles.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 6 2022 22:34 utc | 245

IOC – initial operational capability “thought to be useful for something”.
LOL. Thanks. So more over priced gizmo
Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 22:31 utc | 243
Thanks. Of course the mil boyz think it’s Something. Ok.
The last lot of weapons procurement to 2030 had me happy… it was replenishing the junk now lost in Ukraine.
Drones…. Drones drones drones and drones.
I’m not a military guy. But watching the sloSMO and watching the drones change the battlefield in 9months…. Even I can see it’s drones, not more javelins

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:39 utc | 246

A field of blue and yellow. So colourful.
As far as the eye can see.
t.me/xoxol_UK
Some will give an “arm and a leg”… for Ukraine… in fact, why stop at one leg..make that 2legs…

Chambliss Johnson, a former Marine, is now disabled. Perhaps in the future we will see him at some Olympics for the disabled. A KA-52 Helo was shot down.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine left him in the field to bleed to bleed for several hours, now he is in the intensive care unit and intubated in some shitty hole, they are desperately trying to raise funds to bring him “home”.
From Georgia, United States of America.
He arrived in March, fought on the front line with American mercenaries and was active in the Kharkov region.
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/8741
Mizin Vitaly Aleksandrovich 1993
Also gave an arm and a leg for Ukraine…
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/8876

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 6 2022 22:41 utc | 247

Don Bacon @236–
My non-military marching was all done in San Francisco. There were never enough people. Somewhere I have photos. Kudos to you and the Missus for having the right idea. At least the two of you tried, which is far more than what millions did.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:45 utc | 248

@Opport Knocks | Dec 6 2022 22:34 utc | 244
A yes, Smedley Butler who had a full 33+ year military “rackiteer” career decides to make a full confession and exposé only after he is passed over for a promotion to the top job.
Butler: “Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2022 22:49 utc | 249

Posted by: Drifter | Dec 6 2022 22:19 utc | 234
Lavrov signing a G20 statement is a nothing burger, imo. A basic assumption is that whatever will be done, will not be done on Davos’s or US empire’s terms. Whatever future for humanity on earth, anything at least isn’t worse than WEF ideas.
Basically, even if everything becomes a hell-on-earth, it will probably be less hell-on-earth in non-US vassal countries. The laws of competition and advantages still apply even in a “new world”.
Looking at UK now. In Oxford, the city council has decided to divide the municipality in 7 different pieces and allow locals to commute between different sections only up to 100 times per year! Nothing like that in Russia, and won’t be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXvc2EdWKw

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 6 2022 22:50 utc | 250

I believe that Larry Johnson recently changed server hosts. Perhaps that’s the cause of the slowdown.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 6 2022 22:53 utc | 251

Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 22:31 utc | 243
All bombers and fighters are launch platforms for missiles these days when it comes to a shoot out between great powers. Aircraft carriers are the 21st century equivalent of the dreadnought and will suffer the same fate.
Those bombers and fighters are great for scaring the crap out of poor people. Thats what they are used for by the Empire anyway.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 22:54 utc | 252

YES. We need to monitor that Situation.

Posted by: @ unimperator | Dec 6 2022 22:55 utc | 253

Yes, this thread’s been very revealing as so many have dropped their pants so-to-speak and revealed themselves for what they are and aren’t. One need only count the number of valid comments on this tread associated in some manner with the thread topic to determine that amount is perhaps 25%.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:25 utc | 238
quite agree karlof1
kindly remind me which part of the “Valid Comments” are you
unexplained criticism is a psychological narcissism
enjoy.
In the meantime can we get on with the subject of this thread
Its called Ukraine.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 22:56 utc | 254

Those bombers and fighters are great for scaring the crap out of poor people. Thats what they are used for by the Empire anyway.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 22:54 utc | 250
Hi there. Preaching to the choir, my friend. Pilots cost more and just slow you down.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 22:59 utc | 255

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2022 21:54 utc | 222
I agree Peter. Ever since the Blair days, I have questioned just who is the poodle, UK or USA.
When it comes to Russia, the UK MI6 has always had very much the lead. After all it was MI6 who had in place their “spy rocks” and it is fairly clear that the MI6 were the handlers for the Russian oligarchs. The UK elite have hated and feared Russia since the end of the Napoleonic wars. Much of their foreign policy for two centuries has been directed at weakening Russia – at first because they feared Russia might seize India. many indeed perhaps most of the elite in the UK would have preferred to fight Russia in WWII, not Germany – this included many in the Royal family. Winston Churchill wanted to fight both, but preferred to do over Germany first.
Somewhere I read that in the USA there are two schools within the state department – the Antifascists mostly East Coast, Boston types who were very much Anglophiles, respecting the competency of the MI6 and tending to follow UK lead. The Western US types were a little more Asia focused.
So it is pretty clear to me that the MI6 has ALWAYS been Z’s handler, and has always been in league with Poland. a weak and confused US administration – starting wuth bush the younger in 2000, has given the MI6 more clout.
However, it has been clear to me that ever since the Iraq war, the famed MI6 competence has faded significantly, and they are no longer the skilled and competent behind the scenes manipulators they once were. I very much doubt the MI6 of 1950 would have launched the very childish Novochok nonsense, which belongs in a children’s picture book. “and then the evil meanies in fur hats, smeared nasty poison of a door handle and poor Mr Skripal got very sick. Then the cat licked it too and it got very sick. Then the evil meanies put poison in the underpants of Mr Skripal’s friend and he got sick. But it was all OK and they all got better”

Posted by: watcher | Dec 6 2022 23:01 utc | 256

Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 22:59 utc | 253
Not preaching.
Reiterating and supporting your sensible observations on this issue.
No offense meant even if none taken 😉

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 23:02 utc | 257

@234 (Drifter)
Sadly, there is a large part of me that thinks (and always has) that you are correct.
It is all too predictable and feels staged, I don’t know if it actually is, but that feeling is always there in the back of my head.
I still have doubts though, and I’m on the fence about some things.
What will confirm my suspicions of this (Ukraine) being 100% Kabuki will be if the Ukraine situation is wrapped up neatly in a nice little bow and disappeared out of the media cycle, much the same way as certain other recent events have been, if that happens, I will have to concur 100% that this has all been theater, and we are all being played.
What bothers me the most about that outcome is that we are being played by some very, very, very stupid people, but there is little to nothing we can do about it.
Cheers

Posted by: Bob jenkins | Dec 6 2022 23:04 utc | 258

from Hindustan Times
Russia-Ukraine War: The Ukrainian general said that mobilisation has increased Russia’s military threat in Ukraine.

A Ukrainian general said that better-trained Russian soldiers are now arriving at the frontline following Moscow’s recent mobilisation. The commander of Ukrainian ground forces, General Oleksander Syrskyi, said according to Sky News that the mobilisation has increased Russia’s military threat in Ukraine but Moscow was now using a lot of old equipment because it is struggling to replenish its supplies.
“On the eastern front, the situation is very tense, the enemy attacks our units every day,” he said.
Asked about the mobilisation ordered by Moscow in September, he said: “Such a number of personnel increased the threat for us and these are not just words — these are new brigades, new battalions that have been trained, this is the replenishment that the army was waiting for because it was exhausted.
“Those who come now have a better level of training than those who were previously sent to the front,” he added.
The general also said that despite the increased threat, Russian forces had made only slow progress around the town of Bakhmut, one of the main battle zones in eastern Ukraine. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2022 23:05 utc | 259

No offense meant even if none taken 😉
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 23:02 utc | 255
Sorry, localism, means I (very much) agree. No offense taken or meant.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 6 2022 23:07 utc | 260

Melaleuca @241–
I’ll continue to do what I’ve been doing here over the past 10 years. Despite the censorship and troll activity, there’re actually more sources now than then, although the demand that people use their critical faculties is also higher. Putin met with the Security Council today, but only the roster of those attending was listed by the Kremlin plus this: “Issues of ensuring internal security of the state” being the topic for discussion. Usually there’s some hint by TASS about such meetings, but so far there’s nothing, although the drone attacks are the likely prompter for discussions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 23:07 utc | 261

harryash | Dec 6 2022 22:56 utc | 252
Sorry harryash you stumbled into the wrong bar. This is the US no longer supports fight for Crimea bar.
Just look for the bar with all the trolls, that’s the Main Ukraine bar.
It’s nicer here btw.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 23:08 utc | 262

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 6 2022 21:54 utc | 222
Spell check inserted anti fascists when I meant Atlantacists

Posted by: watcher | Dec 6 2022 23:09 utc | 263

Peter AU1 #222

What we see now is the Brits trying to pull US back in. From the Ukraine TG channels it becomes obvious MI6 are Zelensky’s handlers and not the CIA…
…The Brits cannot continue their war against Russia without US weapon and ammo supplies.

Thank you. Methinks the drongos of doggerland have always manipulated the USA. Certainly they are entirely dependent on the US weapons stash to keep their Uke genocide in motion. Perhaps in a few years the european nations will realise the machiavellian mendacity of the doggerland gang.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 6 2022 23:10 utc | 264

@ Karlof – I’m formerly known as Featherless.
I respect you a lot, Carlos. I appreciate your work. I’m sorry if I irritated you.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 23:11 utc | 265

@unimperator | Dec 6 2022 22:50 utc | 248
Agree that the carbon rationing will be less severe in the RF, at least at first. But, the RF did not resist the COVID scam, they supported it. Note that St Petersburg and some other cities, occupations, and employers had vaxx mandates, and that the Sputnik V contains graphene oxide:
https://www.rt.com/russia/539852-covid-vaccination-elderly-russia/

Posted by: Drifter | Dec 6 2022 23:11 utc | 266

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 22:10 utc | 231
Dude, if you’re going to reply to people, post the full reference to their post, as I do above. Otherwise no one can tell which post you’re responding to as most people make several posts in a thread and it’s impolite to force people to scroll through 260+ posts to find who you are referring to. this is long-standing “bar etiquette.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 6 2022 23:14 utc | 267

Caveman’s site is legit. I try to be open to forms that are alien to my life soundtrack and I find a certain charm to their music.

Posted by: Milton | Dec 6 2022 23:14 utc | 268

Im the final analysis, it is irrelevant what Blinken says, thinks or does. The strategic purpose of the SMO was to secure Russia’s southwetern flank. That was accompoished with the seizure of Mariupol and the closing of the Azov Sea. It will not be undone by political means.
Russia has other stragetic goals on its western flank, though none are as immediate as the Azov issue and all have been mitigated to one degree or another. Blinken’s words may be an attempt to forestall Russian movement toward accomplishing other strategic goals, whether they involve Odessa, Ukrainian Besarabia or even Poish Suwaki.
So here’s the track record Russia has demonstrated in securing its southwestern flank:
2008-2009 via Abkazhia & Ossetia in response to agression
2014-2015 via Crimea in response to coup
2022-2023 via Azov, Donbas & Ekaterinoslav in anticipation of agression
Russia is getting stronger and bolder in pursuing its national interest.

Posted by: Clovis | Dec 6 2022 23:15 utc | 269

Still not good enough…Blinky boy and the redt of the Brandon regime fools needs to wake up and realize the Donbass is never returning to the Ukraine either.

Posted by: Dennis | Dec 6 2022 23:16 utc | 270

Re Strelkov and Vietnam comparisons,
As usual, Strelkov is not wrong but overstates his case and is far too emotional in his analysis. From the Russian perspective it’s a fluid situation. The Kremlin clearly wanted a short, sharp conflict with a negotiated settlement; that’s not realistic. Maybe the Kremlin misjudged or made a mistake. In any case, we’re seeing the mobilization time that the US did before Iraq happening during hostilities. The goals appear to be developing based on the contours of the situation. Just today we’ve started hearing Kremlin statements that negotiations aren’t possible. It is less than ideal to develop conflict goals this way, but unlike Strelkov, the Kremlin has to work with what is rather than what should be.
It may fail, although in many ways it cannot fail. That’s a huge difference with america in Vietnam. The US always had the option of failure because it was only ideological and reputational. A comparison between the conflicts though is over stepping. For one, this conflict is less than a year old. (Yes, 2014 but that’s not really this conflict because Russia was not directly and heavily involved.) It is possible that Ukraine becomes Vietnam for Russia; it’s hardly guaranteed.
When I read some of these analyses, especially about it not being over fast enough I hear Americans who are mad that their expectations haven’t been met. But their expectations for war are perverted by modern US history. Did the US defeat Iraq in three weeks or has it not yet fully defeated Iraq more than 20 years later? It still hasn’t achieved its long term goals there. The US isn’t achieving its goals in Ukraine either. Russia does not appear to be falling militarily, economically or politically. The cost is relatively low so far from a pure cash standpoint but it’s less than a year in and the trendlines aren’t pointed in the right direction. Public support is falling far faster than political strategists will be comfortable with and the partisan split with a presidential election incoming is bad news.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 6 2022 23:17 utc | 271

[120] Native Population of the Americas prior to 1492
https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0289.htm 8 million to 112 million
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1171896/pre-colonization-population-americas/ Just North America 1 to 12 million

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 6 2022 23:17 utc | 272

Actually, if one reads the header to this thread, they’ll discover it’s about the change in Outlaw US Empire policy about Crimea:
“U.S. No Longer Supports Fight For Crimea:
The U.S. seems to have changed its position with regards to Crimea.”
The main topic then is Outlaw US Empire Imperial Policy as it affects Crimea, which is part of Russia–de facto and de jure. The first OT comment is @14.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 23:20 utc | 273

@ RSH – it was his previous post, 3 posts before, jeez.
But thank you for saying hello to me, you’re one of my favourite people here.
You’re definitely one of my favourite people here.
Have an icy cold beer, Uncle Richard !
You’re fuckin cool.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 23:20 utc | 274

“Territory that’s been seized from [Ukraine] since February 24th” obviously does not include Crimea which Russia ‘seized’ in 2014. This then is a significant shift in the position Blinken had earlier underlined.

It’s significant if he didn’t “mis-speak”. Given Blinken’s mid-wittery, I’m not certain that’s a given

Posted by: Observer | Dec 6 2022 23:21 utc | 275

karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 23:07 utc | 259
Ahh those old Soviet apparatchiks slow on the uptake again. I do like them.
It’s to discuss terrorism. It’s going to be an ongoing problem for a while. Vladimir is whipping them into shape as they have a lot of work to do. There is also an issue of getting RF AD up to scratch. They have the tools and the will.
The biggest advantage for the RF is that the Government controls the MIC, a socialist model. The USAs government is controlled by the MIC, a facist model.
The result is RFMIC hammers cost 300 roubles and a USAMIC hammer 300 dollars.
I know choirs and all that 🙂

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 23:24 utc | 276

Observer #273
IMO Blinken never mis-speaks. He merely says whatever at the time he says it and that has no bearing on what he might say next. He is unbelievable at any time.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 6 2022 23:27 utc | 277

Scott Ritter has been criticized for referring to Ukrainians as “not nice” in various interviews he’s done. He has posted one of these criticisms on his Substack and responded to it in another post.
The criticism:
The nice people in Ukraine
Why I disagree with Scott Ritter that all Ukrainians are bad
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/the-nice-people-in-ukraine
And Scott’s rebuttal:
There are few good Ukrainians left in Ukraine
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/there-are-few-good-ukrainians-left
I tend to agree with Scott. The only issue I’d have is that, other than taking up arms when things get desperate, few populations actually oppose their government on any serious level. Ninety five percent or more will “go along to get along” and not risk their livelihoods and families. This is why notions about “we’ll al get together and change things” is a load of bull. On a national scale, at least in nations larger than, say, Tonga, it’s next to impossible to get any large body of people to coalesce on a coherent policy, let alone organize themselves effectively to implement it. And if they do, once they experience serious resistance, they tend to fall apart. Finally, if they don’t fall apart, state repression usually makes them fall apart. Again, if you want change, be prepared to use a gun and explosives.
So I’d cut a significant percentage of Ukrainians some slack – whatever percentage that actually exists which does oppose the Ukrainian government’s policies. As Ritter points out, the only people who rose up against the Maidan revolution were people who already weren’t actually “Ukrainians”, they were Russians.
Kudos to Scott for giving his critics room on his Substack.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 6 2022 23:27 utc | 278

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 23:20 utc | 272
Since you didn’t follow my advice, you are not one of my favorite posters. And I don’t drink beer.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 6 2022 23:30 utc | 279

I was on the fence about the issue until Lavrov signed off on the G20 statement supporting essentially the entire WEF Great Reset programme, including vaccine passports. So much for the rift between the RF and Klaus Schwab. The deal has already been done, what the RF has settled for is unknown. However, I would bet money that the RF doesn’t roll to the Polish border or even the entire left bank of the Dnieper. This ends in a deal, although likely a better one for the RF than Minsk 3. Meanwhile, a Kabuki Theatre war will grind on, where the deaths and dismemberments are real, but the strategic goals are little more than running out the clock until the deal can be unveiled with acceptable optics for both parties.
Posted by: Drifter | Dec 6 2022 22:19 utc | 234
Drifter, you were never “on the fence,” You were just looking for an excuse, and you chose this event where Lavrov “signed” a worthless piece of paper about a bull shit agreement that the G20 cobbled together to claim some sort of accomplishment that amounts to a hill of beans.
President Putin and the Russian MOA are fighting to preserve Russia and the Russian people from and existential threat on it borders and you are concerned about a vaccine and “a Kabuki Theatre war.” where Putin and Biden are really soul mates who are just pretending to be at war, because some mysterious deal has already been made. Jesus F Christ, where do people get this stuff?
Putin has more courage than you could ever understand, your criticism is so surreal, it is like an ant bite to an elephant: It is a nothing burger.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 6 2022 23:31 utc | 280

Sorry harryash you stumbled into the wrong bar. This is the US no longer supports fight for Crimea bar.
Just look for the bar with all the trolls, that’s the Main Ukraine bar
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 6 2022 23:08 utc | 260
Whatever……
Klaatu …
really…why did u take the time out to post that….
I mean…was it constructive….
did u actually think because u spoke I would listen and beg for forgiveness.
Has it ever dawned on u people that snipe that u achieve nothing.
In fact u ruin and distract the thread with garbage.
And it displays your level of intellect.
Abysmal.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 23:31 utc | 281

@ RSH
How did I not follow your advice ? I ask respectfully.
What kind of beverage would you prefer, icewater ?

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 23:37 utc | 282

@3 YetAnotherAnon
The Guardian comment section now only allows imperialist propagandist comments. If they open an article to comments at all you can be sure it is already fixed with MI6 stuff.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 6 2022 23:39 utc | 283

@ harryash – I vouch for you. There seem to be a lot of menstruations in the air.
Let’s keep it cool.

Posted by: Marc (featherless) | Dec 6 2022 23:42 utc | 284

@ Bill – your cartoons are wickedly SUCCINCT.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 6 2022 23:44 utc | 285

On porcelain insulators..,n The Warning
not to mention other critical items associated with hi-tension lines that do get occasional mention.
In the old days, it was almost unthinkable that anyone might mess with ’em… the horrific blowback on the general population…and one’s own family. Mention of their unique status of being vital n so accessible…was kept to whispers among electrical engineers at supervisory levels. Any comm in public media was stomped-on…hard.
These are not “old days”.
The entire underclass is being squeezed, like never before, globally…BUT now has become empowered by cheap and effective weapons, simply re-purposed.
It is not the 1st time that that s/o shot-up some distribution gear.
This time the news itself got distributed.
Oh, lament the plunder of others’ valuables…proud assassins n associated crazies who can dream only of “the quick fix” by the latest/greatest sniper rifle…or more sophisticated ways to grab control of another’s valuables.
Like bio-warfare n TotalInformationAccess, n creditors using DEBT to “pry away land and crop rights, and to reduce labor to irreversible bondage’*, it is just obsession to dominate others to avoid hardship on self.
Well, here we are. Deliberately or by luck, our ruling classes have just received The Warning.
* Hat=tip to Michael Hudson

Posted by: chu teh | Dec 6 2022 23:46 utc | 286

I think the idea that the airfields were struck from such a distance as 550k doesn’t make sense. If true, it means the Ukes could have struck Moscow. In fact, if true, they could have struck the Kremlin itself. Which makes me think they HAVE NOT the capability of such distance. For I believe if they did, the Kiev nut jobs would have CERTAINLY gone for the Kremlin or some other prestigious Moscow, political building.
Those drones were launched locally, probably within 25 miles of the airfields.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 6 2022 23:47 utc | 287

@ Lex | Dec 6 2022 23:17 utc | 269
The Kremlin clearly wanted a short, sharp conflict with a negotiated settlement
What’s the evidence of that claim?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 6 2022 23:49 utc | 288

TASS has an excellent article to which I’ll try and find the primary source link, “Unipolar world order is gone; US, Russia back to Cold War”, which at MoA isn’t original but is now being expressed to a wider audience. Here are the key excerpts:

The unipolar world order and its key attribute – the dominance of the West – are a thing of the past. The Northern Hemisphere has seen a return to the Cold War and the confrontation of the two poles – the US and NATO, on the one hand, and Russia and China, on the other, the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Institute Of World Economy And International Relations (IMEMO), Alexander Dynkin, said at the opening of the Primakov Readings international forum of experts on Tuesday.
“A unipolar world with its mode of global governance that defies the diversity of the modern world and the rise of other non-Western states is a thing of the past. It is premature to judge what the structure of a future world order will be. It is obvious, though, that the Cold War is back in the Northern Hemisphere. A new bipolarity is a fact of life, with the United States and other NATO countries at one pole, and Russia and China at the other,” he said.
Expansion and resistance
Dynkin stressed that “NATO’s endless eastward expansion has run into Russia’s resistance.”
“In its attempts to retain its dominant position in the world and maintain its current level of domestic consumption, the United States, in just two decades of the 21st century, has ruined 16 major agreements and institutions of global governance – those concerning arms control, climate, the global economy, and the Arctic,” he continued. “The liquidated international treaties and organizations had one common feature – either the absence of US dominance, or the priority or consensus principle of activity.”
This “sad truth,” Dynkin said, indicates that political realities that do not fit in with the Western ideological narratives are being neglected, while “the most professional expertise often remains untapped due to exorbitant geostrategic assets.”
“The reason for these failures, among other things, can be seen in the obsession with the exclusively Western-centric model of strategic planning and attempts to build the scenarios of world development entirely on European or transatlantic historical experience. Iraq, Syria, Libya and the Afghan catastrophe were the dramatic milestones of such ideological stubbornness and continued defiance of reality. Now it’s Eastern Europe’s and Ukraine’s turn,” the scholar said.

Primakov Readings site as yet has no links to papers presented or videos of those presentations. However, there’s this page that links to interviews done by media with forum participants, most of not all in Russian. For example, here’s the link to the Interfax interview with Alexander Dynkin, the man cited by TASS above. Lavrov always gives this forum an address, so it will find its way here eventually. This year’s theme is “Transformation of the World Order: The Eurasian Dimension”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 23:54 utc | 289

ZH has a posting up with the title
We Are Not “Enabling” Or “Encouraging” Ukraine To Strike Within Russia: White House
The quote

Update(1645ET): A top US State Department official on Tuesday suggested that the Ukrainians were indeed behind the spate of likely drone attacks which hit Russian airbases from Monday into the overnight hours.
Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland told CNN that while “nobody has claimed responsibility” for the drone strikes – at least one of which struck a base hundreds of miles inside Russian territory, it remains that the “targets were the very precise bombers that the Russians have been using to attack critical infrastructure,” and that’s when she said, “the Ukrainian people are incredibly innovative; they are making their own drones, air and sea, that are incredibly effective.”
However, she underscored that the US policy of wanting the Ukrainians to avoid direct attacks on Russia hasn’t changed. A separate State Dept. briefing also sought to distance the Biden administration from the brazen cross-border attacks, which reportedly resulted in multiple Russian troop casualties and likely damage to long-range bombers:

Who do you believe?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 23:57 utc | 290

“A large deep red-orange colored hemisphere of opaque light with a silver outer shell lining then rose from ground level to hover around over the “ground zero location”. This structure when fully developed was approximately three times the size of a typical Goldfields setting Moon as seen by observers located 30-50km from it – (i.e. it was very big), and it “bobbed around a bit for NEARLY TWO HOURS, before disappearing suddenly – as if someone threw the light switch off”.
so…australia….nah…its bought n paid for…and the poor aussies are now being quietly terminated.
Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 17:49 utc | 96
Every line of that post….. unimaginably original, wacky, true blue Australian.
Feels like a cross between Bliss (1985), The Last Wave and Monty Pythons Australian Philosophers Song!
Thank you!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 7 2022 0:00 utc | 291

Uncle t – “drongos of doggerland” priceless. You come up with some gems.
watcher | Dec 6 2022 23:01 utc | 254 we look at the novichok idiocy for what it is but the majority of western sheeple swallow it. MI6 playing to a dumbed down audience.
“How does the UK (think they) benefit from escalating the war?”
Posted by: catdog | Dec 6 2022 22:12 utc | 232
Cost/risk/benefit has no place in hereditary hatreds and ideologies.
The scope and limitations of agreements reached between Sullivan and Patrushev still remain to be be seen but what b has written about is a result of those talks.
I wrote this earlier as an addon to a previous post but but got sidetracked and did not post it.
Further thoughts – the Sullivan and Patrushev talks, heads of their respective security councils. Martyanov felt they would be talking respective red lines. For Russia the redline that triggered the SMO was Zelensky talking Nukes at the Munich security conference.
From the likes of Douglas Macgregor and Larry Johnson, there was beltway talk of a US, Polish, Romanian force going into Ukraine and also talk of “limited” nuclear war. I suspect Sullivan learned that Russia was deadly serious when putting its nuclear forces on full 24/7 combat alert around 27th February.
To defeat Russia in Ukraine US would need to use at least tactical nukes. The Ukroid army they built up over eight years and supplied and financed was wiped out in the first three to six months of the very limited special military operation.
For the US, its only options were to go nuclear or throw in the towel. Going nuclear meant the instant and total destruction of the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 0:03 utc | 292

“Ukraine will ultimately lose because its infrastructure is getting smashed, it’s economy is moribund and it cannot simply clone new soldiers to replace the ones who are dying in an unfavourable ratio.”
Remind me again, wich party is already mobilizing penal units? As a rule of thumb, thats pretty desperate.
( But wait! Soon the Russian secret offensive will thunder over the frozen fields! And occupy the polish border! And stoo homosexuality! )

Posted by: Fnord73 | Dec 7 2022 0:03 utc | 293

@ HERMIUS | Dec 6 2022 23:47 utc | 285
Those drones were launched locally, probably within 25 miles of the airfields.
Yes, that would be an apt ‘special operation’ for US or US-trained special operations infiltrators.
Special Operations are the most elite forces in the U.S. Army. Soldiers in this unit typically work in small, tactical teams on the most varied and sensitive missions the Army undertakes. These operations are politically sensitive missions where only the best equipped and most proficient forces must be deployed to avoid detection and possible mission failure that can result in damage to US prestige and interests. . . .There has been an ongoing training of Ukies also.
It might also explain the seven casualties (three deaths) as well as the (supposed) light aircraft damage
from the files Feb. 14, 2019
Special Operations Leaders Testify Before Senate on SOF Global Posture
. . .The assistant secretary said the National Defense Strategy has challenged all of DOD to increase focus on long-term strategic competition with Russia and China, and the SOF enterprise is in the midst of transformation; “something special operators have always done very well.”. . ….As an integral part of the joint force, special operations troops are integrated into every facet of the NDS [National Defense Strategy], Thomas told the committee.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 7 2022 0:03 utc | 294

@psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 23:57 utc | 288
Whom do you believe?
Automatically I believe that if a government rep makes a claim then the opposite is true.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 7 2022 0:08 utc | 295

Abysmal.
Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 23:31 utc | 279
What is “abysmal” is that you are taking everything so personally. I have been watching your comments for the last few days, and I can say for a fact that you are not a nice guy, but who gives a shit. And by the way, Klaatu is correct, the name of this thread is “the US no longer supports fight for Crimea.” But you are correct as well, because the subject does include Ukraine. Also, as far as I can tell, B did not provide a non-Ukraine thread (or Bar) today. Just remember, no one likes a whiner.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 7 2022 0:10 utc | 296

@ RSH – NEVER MIND.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 7 2022 0:11 utc | 297

karlof1 @217: “There are some very sick people here, and I decline to be associated with their disease.”
It is the Empire trying to poison the well.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 7 2022 0:15 utc | 298

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack 276
“Nay Richard Steven Hack –never. Not them! There never comes a rising from below. So all judicious chroniclers concord in their opinion. Rebellion travels ever downward from above; and when Tom, Dick and Harry are taken to their bills(weapon), look ever narrowly at what lord profits thereby!”

Posted by: Robert Lewis Stevens | Dec 7 2022 0:19 utc | 299

I think the idea that the airfields were struck from such a distance as 550k doesn’t make sense. If true, it means the Ukes could have struck Moscow. In fact, if true, they could have struck the Kremlin itself. Which makes me think they HAVE NOT the capability of such distance. For I believe if they did, the Kiev nut jobs would have CERTAINLY gone for the Kremlin or some other prestigious Moscow, political building.
Those drones were launched locally, probably within 25 miles of the airfields.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 6 2022 23:47 utc | 285
hermius….u make a very good point in fact excellent.
it raises now the 2 questions…was it local….
or if the narrative of traveling so far is correct
if it was local…then yes…it cud hav been all the special forces etc…
or was it a local false flag created by Russia.
if it was a 600 + km attack…
was it self-inflicted as another false flag by
russia
because your logic of distance is very powerful.
the kremlin indeed would have attracted world attention and embarrassment.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 7 2022 0:19 utc | 300

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