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December 15, 2022
Ukraine – What Its Military Leadership Says

The Economist has interviewed the three Ukrainian leaders who manage the war in Ukraine. It summarizes them in an interpretive writeup. I will use that to extract the important points.

Volodymyr Zelensky and his generals talk to The Economist (Paywalled)

The writeup is of course full of propaganda but one can still glean some information from it.

The first interview (transcript) was with Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine's president, who is saying nothing new that would be of interest:

“People do not want to compromise on territory,” he says, warning that allowing the conflict to be “frozen” with any Ukrainian land in Russian hands would simply embolden Mr Putin. “And that is why it is very important…to go to our borders from 1991.”

Zelensky wants Crimea back. Good luck achieving that impossibility one might say.

The second interview is with General Valery Zaluzhny, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The third interview is with Colonel-General Oleksandr Syrsky, the head of Ukraine’s ground forces.

All three men emphasised that the outcome of the war hinges on the next few months. They are convinced that Russia is readying another big offensive, to begin as soon as January.

The author writes that "Ukraine enjoyed a triumphant autumn." One wonders how many thousand Ukrainian soldiers have died for that triumph that was in reality a well controlled Russian retreat to shorten its frontlines.

But neither General Zaluzhny nor General Syrsky sounds triumphant. One reason is the escalating air war. Russia has been pounding Ukraine’s power stations and grid with drones and missiles almost every week since October, causing long and frequent blackouts. Though Russia is running short of precision-guided missiles, in recent weeks it is thought to have offered Iran fighter jets and helicopters in exchange for thousands of drones and, perhaps, ballistic missiles.

Yes, we have known since March 2 that Russia is running out of precision-guided missiles. It has since used only 4,500 of those.

“It seems to me we are on the edge,” warns General Zaluzhny. More big attacks could completely disable the grid. “That is when soldiers’ wives and children start freezing,” he says. “What kind of mood will the fighters be in? Without water, light and heat, can we talk about preparing reserves to keep fighting?"

When it is cold and dark morale indeed becomes a problem. It is not the only one.

A second challenge is the fighting currently under way in Donbas, most notably around the town of Bakhmut. General Syrsky, who arrives at the interview in eastern Ukraine in fatigues, his face puffy from sleep deprivation, says that Russia’s tactics there have changed under the command of Sergei Surovikin, who took charge in October. The Wagner group, a mercenary outfit that is better equipped than Russia’s regular army, fights in the first echelon. Troops from the Russian republic of Chechnya and other regulars are in the rear. But whereas these forces once fought separately, today they co-operate in detachments of 900 soldiers or more, moving largely on foot.

Bakhmut is not an especially strategic location. Although it lies on the road to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, two biggish cities (see map), Ukraine has several more defensive lines to fall back on in that direction. What is more, Russia lacks the manpower to exploit a breakthrough. The point of its relentless onslaught on Bakhmut, the generals believe, is to pin down or “fix” Ukrainian units so that they cannot be used to bolster offensives in Luhansk province to the north. “Now the enemy is trying to seize the initiative from us,” says General Syrsky. “He is trying to force us to go completely on the defensive.”

If Bakhmut is not a strategic location why is the Ukrainian army sending more and more troops into it? Russia is using Bakhmut not only to “fix” Ukrainian units. It is using it to eliminate them with up to 500 Ukrainian soldiers killed or wounded per day. The real fixing operation is happening elsewhere.

Ukraine also faces a renewed threat from Belarus, which began big military exercises in the summer and more recently updated its draft register. On December 3rd Sergei Shoigu, Russia’s defence minister, visited Minsk, the Belarusian capital, to discuss military co-operation. Western officials say that Belarus has probably given too much material support to Russian units to enter the fray itself, but the aim of this activity is probably to fix Ukrainian forces in the north, in case Kyiv is attacked again, and so prevent them from being used in any new offensive.

General Zaluzhny has a quite realistic view on what is coming:

“Russian mobilisation has worked,” says General Zaluzhny. “A tsar tells them to go to war, and they go to war.” General Syrsky agrees: “The enemy shouldn’t be discounted. They are not weak…and they have very great potential in terms of manpower.” He gives the example of how Russian recruits, equipped only with small arms, successfully slowed down Ukrainian attacks in Kreminna and Svatove in Luhansk province—though the autumn mud helped. Mobilisation has also allowed Russia to rotate its forces on and off the front lines more frequently, he says, allowing them to rest and recuperate. “In this regard, they have an advantage.”

But the main reason Russia has dragooned so many young men, the generals believe, is to go back on the offensive for the first time since its bid to overrun Donbas fizzled out in the summer. “Just as in [the second world war]…somewhere beyond the Urals they are preparing new resources,” says General Zaluzhny, referring to the Soviet decision to move the defence industry east, beyond the range of Nazi bombers. “They are 100% being prepared.” A major Russian attack could come “in February, at best in March and at worst at the end of January”, he says. And it could come anywhere, he warns: in Donbas, where Mr Putin is eager to capture the remainder of Donetsk province; in the south, towards the city of Dnipro; even towards Kyiv itself. In fact a fresh assault on the capital is inevitable, he reckons: “I have no doubt they will have another go at Kyiv.”

The general is building and holding back reserves which is problematic for the front lines:

The temptation is to send in reserves. A wiser strategy is to hold them back.

“May the soldiers in the trenches forgive me,” says General Zaluzhny. “It’s more important to focus on the accumulation of resources right now for the more protracted and heavier battles that may begin next year.”

Ukraine has enough men under arms—more than 700,000 in uniform, in one form or another, of whom more than 200,000 are trained for combat. But materiel is in short supply. Ammunition is crucial, says General Syrsky. “Artillery plays a decisive role in this war,” he notes. “Therefore, everything really depends on the amount of supplies, and this determines the success of the battle in many cases.” General Zaluzhny, who is raising a new army corps, reels off a wishlist. “I know that I can beat this enemy,” he says. “But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs [infantry fighting vehicles], 500 Howitzers.” The incremental arsenal he is seeking is bigger than the total armoured forces of most European armies.

Does Zaluzhny really believe that he could get that force? I don't think so.

The Economist points out that donors of weapons have run out of pretty much everything:

On December 6th America’s Congress agreed in principle to let the Pentagon buy 864,000 rounds of 155mm artillery shells, more than 12,000 GPS-guided Excalibur shells and 106,000 GPS-guided GMLRS rockets for HIMARS—theoretically enough to sustain Ukraine’s most intense rate of fire for five months non-stop. But this will be produced over a number of years, not in time for a spring offensive.

Russia has similar problems. It will run out of “fully serviceable” munitions early next year, says an American official, forcing it to use badly maintained stocks and suppliers like North Korea. Its shell shortages are “critical”, said Admiral Tony Radakin, Britain’s defence chief, on September 14th.

The last part is of course as valid as the claim that Russia is 'running out of missiles'.

But even while lacking armored forces and ammunition Ukraine still dreams of big attacks:

“With this kind of resource I can’t conduct new big operations, even though we are working on one right now,” says General Zaluzhny.

The writer discusses various options where Ukraine could attack but finds that it does not really have a good one. The big victory over Russia will not be coming:

In private, however, Ukrainian and Western officials admit there may be other outcomes. “We can and should take a lot more territory,” General Zaluzhny insists. But he obliquely acknowledges the possibility that Russian advances might prove stronger than expected, or Ukrainian ones weaker, by saying, “It is not yet time to appeal to Ukrainian soldiers in the way that Mannerheim appealed to Finnish soldiers.” He is referring to a speech which Finland’s top general delivered to troops in 1940 after a harsh peace deal which ceded land to the Soviet Union.

So how many soldiers will still have to die before Zaluzhny is willing to give his Mannerheim speech (vid)? He does not say.

He will probably have to hold his speech sooner than he thinks because the Ukrainian economy has broken down. GDP decreased by 33% this year and, as attacks on the electrical net continue, it will shrink by another 5 or 10% next year. Inflation is above 20%, unemployment above 30%. The big metal and mining industries had to shut down as they depend on uninterrupted electricity supplies. Meanwhile donors are unwilling to hand to Ukraine the budget it claims to need.

It seems possible that the pending bankruptcy of Ukraine may indeed end the war earlier than any military action.

Comments

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 16 2022 4:07 utc | 177
Basically useless – only discusses what the Belarussian army is up to, with no indication of Russian movements. Since the Belarussian army is so minimal, it’s only function is to keep the Ukrainian 30-40,000 troops near the border in place. Useless for an incursion.
I want to see any evidence of 200,000 troops and 1,000 tanks in Belarus. If they exist, that’s an incursion force; if not, it isn’t.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 16 2022 5:10 utc | 201

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2022 4:51 utc | 197
Yes. Who else would it be?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 16 2022 5:13 utc | 202

@ Posted by: james | Dec 16 2022 4:44 utc | 194
Art is subject, personal, environmental and always changing.
Personally, as an artist, I enjoy drawing something, sitting back and digesting.
It is the to and fro.
Dialect, as I earlier said, “binary”, yet art is a conversation.

Posted by: Forest | Dec 16 2022 5:23 utc | 203

Another question on numbers: Russia started out with 150-200,000 troops counting the LDR militias, the Chechens, Wagner, everybody. Then they raised at least 300,000 reserves plus another 40,000 volunteers. This adds up to around 540,000 troops which is the figure Macgregor refers to.
But Macgregor says 540,000 “poised around Ukraine’s borders.” Does he mean including the forces already in Donbass from the start or an additional 540,000 inside Russia and outside Donbass? If the latter, that would be around 750,000 total in the buildup, which is a figure I’ve heard him mention as well IIRC. In that case, throwing 200,000 into Belarus wouldn’t be that big a problem. I’m not sure Russia would send 200,000 into Belarus if they only had 540,000 including the forces previously in Donbass. After all, the point of the build-up seemed to be mostly about finishing off Donbass before doing anything else.
I wish Macgregor was more precise about where he gets his figures and what they are composed of.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 16 2022 5:31 utc | 204

@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 16 2022 5:01 utc | 204
I hear you brother. War is a bitch from whichever perspective you look.
Realism always amazes me.

Posted by: Forest | Dec 16 2022 5:32 utc | 205

Posted by: Stéphane | Dec 15 2022 19:01 utc | 37
The interviewed general talks of Mr Putin. I have not heard any politician nor journalist in the West use that title.
I subscribe to some You Tube -channels dedicated to clean Russian sidewalks for cars. The level of civility are impressive- as even the worst douche-bags
often are polite. That’s the culture Ukraine is trying to eradicate.
The last year it comes with a bonus of war sentiment in the Russian urbanite mind. It also give a pretty good clue on the safety of Russian streets.
Here’s one of them https://www.youtube.com/@StopaDouchebag/videos

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 16 2022 5:32 utc | 206

Down South @196 & 199–
Those are two very interesting yet divergent comments, with 199 sounding as if it was written at a War College as with this: “… missile attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.” It sounds very close to an apology. Of course, it’s very hard to judge since not on the FEBA; but given Ukie casualty rates, Russia’s artillery is having a profound affect.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2022 5:34 utc | 207

testing

Posted by: HOBO 3 | Dec 16 2022 5:42 utc | 208

Posted by: watcher | Dec 15 2022 22:41 utc | 98
I can’t see how that is a given at all.
There’s three things at least:
1. breach the dam
2. remove the dam
3. make impassable.
1. It is not a given that the dam would even be breached significantly. Lowering the water level brings us down to thicker and thicker dam wall. Increasing arial protection staves it off. Finally finding their guns/rocket launches stops it. And other things such as the simple warning: every shell aimed at the dam will earn two shells aimed at Kiev dam.
2. It is far from a given that breaching a dam ‘removes’ the dam. They are literally mountains of concrete. You can make many holes in the top of a mountain of concrete and still have a mountain of concrete left. To get a major flood and ‘tidal wave’ is, I assume, predicated on simple arithmetic looking at the volume of water held back suddenly 100% released. Fairly ludicrous to even imagine I’d think.
3. If it’s just mud it’s dry enough to cross pretty quick. If it is muddy water it can be crossed by boats and barges. Meanwhile the troops on the other bank have a fortress city to sit in. And meanwhile there’s all the time in the world to build up all kinds of stores.
If the enemy crossed into your territory and established such a foothold you’d be in a panic. Taken a city! Currently ferrying men, munitions, stores at an increasing rate! To get at them means fighting them back slowly from a fairly enormous stretch of territory. The close you get to their fortress city the close you get to their supporting guns, rockets, missiles and drone observations.
You would be in a major panic because you would see they had a major asset and your security was very compromised.
Suddenly, when wishful thinking call for it this situation becomes exactly the reverse?
I don’t think so.
There is much we don’t understand about this war and I think none of the commentators know despite all their words.
It seems to me to be coming increasingly evident that the major problem is in fact the insufficiency of the Allied military machine and it is my belief and hope that they are coming to grips with that at top speed right now. I think there will be no winter offensives simply because of that: they want the time to fix all the shortcomings they’ve become aware of. And thank god they have become aware of them and are intelligent and organised enough to try to fix them.
Plus: what need? Russia only ever went there to protect Russians. It is doing that as well where it is as it will be if it had much more territory. Possibly better when you consider the problems of holding territory: problems that will be exacerbated to the nth degree when they try to hold hostile territory.
Now the Allies simply need to put an end to it is all. Because of the mad comic’s intransigence and the sheeple though heroic attitudes of its population they literally have to fight an ‘all or nothing’ type conflict which is not what they ever wanted.
Well such a conflict would be better won ‘from the top down’ – i.e. at the macro level, the political level, the backroom level and I imagine that’s where it will be won.
‘Won’ with an arrangement which will enable all sides to say they ‘won’ somehow. Easy to see how the Allies and the USA can both say that. Hard to see how to make ‘win’ for Kiev Ukraine. Though in fact a ‘win’ for Kiev Ukrainians is simply to stop fighting and get rid of the mad comic, the oligarchs, the black marketeers, the nazi extremists and the corrupt politicians. That would be a clear and enormous win which they’ll probably never get. But on a human level and calling ‘winning’ keeping the maximum number of your people alive and healthy then it is clear that ‘win’ is the bigger the sooner they stop.
Too much truth and common sense in that for it to fly at all. In a world where millions are happy to wear face masks which do nothing against an enemy that isn’t there.
I don’t know why it was done. I am convinced that even with a compromised military – or perhaps especially with such – there was no military necessity to abandoning Kherson. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 5:43 utc | 209

Anne B | Dec 16 2022 5:32 utc | 212
Those civil action groups in Russia are good. I was watching these videos a few years back. Many if not all are trained MMA fighters. They will talk and argue but if the clown parked on the sidewalk takes a swing or pulls a gun they go down hard. As in body slammed into the concrete or asphalt.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 16 2022 5:55 utc | 210

Posted by: watcher | Dec 16 2022 4:33 utc | 189
Agreed. I was only talking about Putin’s Jewish roots. I do agree that most Russian and “ukro” Jewish “oligarchs” are traitors .
P.S There is evidence Murdoch is also Jewish through his mother’s family . Have a look . He was also a very progressive man in his youth. They called him “Red Rupert” ,but now is a piece of shite and a traitor to Australia. Also an old Governor -general of Aus was Sir Isaac Isaacs and he also was a Non-Zionist Jew. Strictly against a Jewish homeland.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 16 2022 5:55 utc | 211

Glad it helped, Granite. https://archive.ph/ can be used by anyone, it even works on mobile. Try pasting a paywalled URL in the red box at the top and see if it works.
Posted by: neutrino | Dec 15 2022 20:18 utc | 58
Its not pay walled but it wants security checks<= presumably to track from-where the url post came from.. unacceptable.. I recommend against even visiting the site until tracking who post there or from where the post comes from is removed. cookies do not seem to be required but script adding java is ?

Posted by: snake | Dec 16 2022 6:00 utc | 212

… and the rest of Ukraine can just be regularly bombed and destroyed, indefinitely.
Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Dec 15 2022 12:21 utc | 304
That is exactly what they’re doing now and it isn’t working. First they have to use a much larger army than the 5 soldiers they sent to Ukr just to control the daily attacks on civilians. And a larger one in the future because the “rest of Ukraine” will always be filled with all nato weapons and terrorists nato can find on the planet, diffusing into Russia and Belarus over 10-20 years. Ukr does not exist anymore, it’s a nato zombie at their borders, like Poland, Baltics or Finalnd.
Posted by: rk | Dec 15 2022 13:40 utc | 322

The “siege” lasted only so long because the USA have been paying what to them is loose change to ensure that Ukraine’s planned defeat is as slow and bloody as possible, before unleashing the ruthenian “freedom fighter” terror squads on the Russian Federation,
Posted by: Bliissex | Dec 15 2022 19:17 utc | 41

Forensics? There’s a little problem with the actual position of those `freedom fighter terror squads’ on the battlefield `diffusing into Russia and Belarus over 10-20 years.’

How does Russia crack this nut?
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 15 2022 20:37 utc | 63

Pitchers at an exhibition?

Defense against what if the Ukies are being decimated? It would appear a defense against what is coming.
Posted by: BostonTom | Dec 15 2022 21:28 utc | 74

😎
@catdog ‡ Dec 15 2022 22:17 utc | 89 … Over 115,000 civilians wishing to flee Kherson Region evacuated, Russian commander reports – Russian Politics & Diplomacy – TASS https://tass.com/politics/1534431

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 6:30 utc | 213

Where to?
I would like to know where all those predicting a major Russian offensive think it will go to?
What exactly do they think it will accomplish?
I see nowhere for it to go. There’s only the whole of Ukraine. They can’t attack and take and keep the whole of Ukraine. Or Kiev but they’re currently not even trying to hurt Kiev beyond the half-lethal electricity thing.
They’re not going to Odessa – they’re not going to take enormous losses to recross the Dniper and take Kherson before they can even start on heading for Odessa.
I doubt there will be anything. Everything the soldiers on the line reveal via Telegram indicates they’ve a problem even merely hanging on and have structural problems within the force.
So I would predict maybe a determined and effective but costly push to finally clear Donetsk and then that’s it. Dig in.
And get busy as a hornet’s nest cleaning the corruption out of the military machine and equipping it properly to fight this new kind of war…
While Putin and his backroom boys try to bring it all to an end from the top down, making deals up there where money and economics and trade deals are all that matters: not people.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 6:40 utc | 214

The Slovak government has fallen due to having lost a no-confidence vote in parliament. There will be new election. It is quite probable that the present pro-Ukrainian – anti-Russian political course will be exchanged for a political course that seeks alignment with Hungary’s Viktor Orban government.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Dec 15 2022 18:57 utc | 35
We need the same in Canada…Something that takes us out of US/NATO clutching hand.

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Dec 16 2022 6:42 utc | 215

The finland-soviet winter war is just a national myth, a fairytale that is told every independence day.
Of course it is true that many soldiers fought bravely on both sides but the temporary success of finns was mainly because soviets had bigger problema elsewhere.
When soviets solved those problems (nazi germany, war industry) the finns were defeated quickly and badly. Finns lost much of their territory to soviets. So the price of attacking soviet territory was very high.

Posted by: Vesa | Dec 16 2022 6:49 utc | 216

… Everything the soldiers on the line reveal via Telegram indicates they’ve a problem”—Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 6:40 utc | 220
Identity crisis exacerbated by wishful UkroNazi projecting.
Is MoA the place where the Empire’s troll armies come to practice their social media `influencer’ pitches & techniques?

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 6:54 utc | 217

Posted by: Eric Newhill | Dec 16 2022 2:23 utc | 151
All of the bad ideas and behaviors currently degenerating America had their start in Europe.
OK – now I know the limits of your analytical skills. Thank you for spelling it out for me.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 16 2022 7:01 utc | 218

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 15 2022 18:43 utc | 27
「役者だ。彼を信用することは難しい」
https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%A7%A9%E7%88%B6%E5%AE%AE%E9%9B%8D%E4%BB%81%E8%A6%AA%E7%8E%8B&oldid=92866904

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Dec 16 2022 7:01 utc | 219

I don’t think ‘roo meat is for eating at all, except by city wankers…
what you eat is ‘roo tail stew. and that can’t be beat anywhere in the world.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 7:08 utc | 220

Posted by: Down South | Dec 16 2022 4:50 utc | 196
Excellent, yes. I saw this and posted a link to it… it should be plastered all around the place I think.
The truth militarily on the ground at the front is that despite all this stuff about Kiev being on its last legs, out of men, out of trained me, drawing its last resources, unable to replenish and on and on on…. for months now… the Kiev Ukrainians are keeping the Donbas Ukrainians at arms length more or less.
If Kiev’s army is suffering as much as the story has it then we need hats off to their soldiers – generally belittled as untrained and unwilling conscripts…. because they’ve stopped the Allies dead more or less.
Biggest thing to keep before the world’s eyes, of course, is just that: it is Kiev Ukrainian v Donbas Ukrainian.
i.e. for Ukrainians to ‘win’, to ‘profit’ the thing is to stop now. right now.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 7:15 utc | 221

Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:47]
🇷🇺🇺🇦❗️Air alert declared throughout Ukraine.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:48]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in the Kharkiv region.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:48]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in the Kiev region.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:57]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in the Nikolaev region.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:57]
🇷🇺🇺🇦 Explosions are also heard in Kharkov itself.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:58]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions also in Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:58]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in Kiev.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:59]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡️A powerful explosion in the Kirovograd region
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 07:59]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡️Explosions in Krivoy Rog
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 08:07]
🇷🇺🇺🇦 New explosions in Kharkov and Krivoy Rog.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 08:07]
🇷🇺🇺🇦 Explosions continue to rumble in Kiev.
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 08:08]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Critical infrastructure facilities damaged in Kharkiv region due to shelling, – authorities
Intel Slava Z, [16/12/2022 08:09]
🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡️Explosions in the Poltava region
https://t.me/intelslava/42581

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2022 7:15 utc | 222

Video
Missile over Vinnitsa
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/37190

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2022 7:18 utc | 223

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 6:54 utc | 222
That, I think, is fairly clearly nothing but ad hominem. We are warned against that in this thread. I don’t engage in discussions with such people.
People looking for facts turn to things such as this:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/25107

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 7:21 utc | 224

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Dec 16 2022 7:01 utc | 224
Thank you. I did not know this.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 16 2022 7:24 utc | 225

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 16 2022 5:55 utc | 216
The ones I watch, only use arguments, stickers and if need be – pepper-spray. It’s a wonderful display of the human condition.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 16 2022 7:45 utc | 226

Norwegian | Dec 16 2022 7:15 utc | 228
Probably payback for the recent 40 missile grad and other recent attacks on Donetsk.
Dissuasion.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 16 2022 8:13 utc | 227

@221 vesa
From what I understand, the Soviets had very little resistance from the Baltic states it exerted its will upon.
But this was not the case with the Finns who put up a great fight against the Soviets.
Indeed, it reminds me of the Melian dialogue where the Finns refused to acknowledge the overwhelming odds against and made the issue about sovereignty.
The Finns laid a great many traps, decimated a couple divisions at the outset, using their Alpine skills and perfecting the Molotov Cocktail to devastating effect.
Or course the Finns yielded in the end and it was actually rather forgiving of Stalin to yield and not crush them too harshly when the Soviets had what they needed in terms of their territory and guarantees.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 16 2022 8:13 utc | 228

Concerning “Intel Slava Z,” I live in Tiraspol and read the Moldovan news every day (in both languages), and I’ve seen nothing about anyone arrested or questioned for arms smuggling or anything similar. No idea what that channel and its admin(s) are up to. The “War Gonzo” journalist was briefly detained by Moldovan police but that was back in January.
Just wanted to say thanks to “B” for parsing that pile of doody from the Economist, #1 purveyors of total BS for more than a hundred years.

Posted by: Sam | Dec 16 2022 8:24 utc | 229

@233 Nemesiscalling
Yeah, i agree what you said that Finns (i am also Finn) defended well and caused problems to Soviets. But the offensive inside USSR was so stupid.
Also the overwhelming friendliness with nazis before the winter war was shameful. I think that was the reason of winter war.

Posted by: Vesa | Dec 16 2022 8:26 utc | 230

@233 Nemesiscalling & 235 Vesa – A while back I was reading Goebbels’ diaries. He talks about the Winter War a bit.

Russia has crossed the Finnish border. Thus the war has broken out. This is useful from our point of view. These days, the more instability, the better!
Late to bed. Almost no sleep at all. Today to Posen.
December 1, 1939

Posted by: lex talionis | Dec 16 2022 8:48 utc | 231

@235 vesa
Well, late in the war they would have redeemed themselves in your eyes because they ended up turning their guns against the Germans after the Moscow Armistice when the Finns had put themselves back on the Allies’ side following America’s total backing of the Soviets.
I would say you all are a fickle bunch without a lot of conviction but with a ton of love of country. More or less like smarter Poles.
No country is perfect, though.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 16 2022 8:51 utc | 232

@ Vesa | Dec 16 2022 8:26 utc | 235
In case you were wondering, that turd at Dec 16 2022 8:51 utc | 237 is a Nazi apologist who claims they were cultured intelligent gentlemen who got a bad rap rather than the dregs of society and scum of the earth that Nemesis is.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 9:50 utc | 233

Sputnik, 23 minutes ago: UN General Assembly Adopts Russian Resolution on Combating Glorification of Nazism

The United States, Ukraine, EU member states, including Austria, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Japan and others voted against. Israel, India, China and Serbia were among those countries that supported the Russian-drafted resolution. Turkey, South Korea, Switzerland and Afghanistan abstained.
Russian Deputy Permanent Representative to the United Nations Gennady Kuzmin on Friday called the voting results “shocking.”
“The voting results this year are shocking. For the first time in the UN’s history, former Axis member states voted against the document which condemns Nazism and confirms the inviolability of the outcomes of World War II,” Kuzmin said.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 10:03 utc | 234

The Economist wrote:

…in Donbas, where Mr Putin is eager to capture the remainder of Donetsk province;

I do not think Mr Putin personally gives a rat’s ass about the remainder of Donetsk province. Russia did not care about Ukraine in 2013 and hardly cared in 2021.
It is NATO and Novorossiya that have pushed Russia into this war. It is Mr Pushilin and his former Ukrainian countrymen who are most eager to capture the remainder of Donetsk province.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 16 2022 10:08 utc | 235

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 15 2022 18:46 utc | 30
Thanks for that, sounds like the penny is at least starting to drop.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 16 2022 10:15 utc | 236

Unimperator @34
“Also, they don’t mention that Ukrainians made up a large portion of the force attacking Finland in that war.”
Exactly. One of the most well known Finnish battle victories was the battle of “Raatteentie” where the whole 44th (Ukrainian) Division was encircled and entirely destroyed. Those days Stalin sent the division to attack Finland, and the surviving Ukrainians told that they did not event know where they were sent. Funny enough, even then they were equipped with British and American gear, and food rations.
Suddenly, you are not supposed to discuss about that in Finland. People are just waving Ukrainian flags and talking about defending “western values”.
There is huge monument in Finland with 17 000 stones at the Raatteentie (Raate Road direct translation in English) to remind us…
Still no one cares… what matters is the “current thing”.j
https://www.raatteenportti.fi/en/winter-war-monument/ (aerial photo)

Posted by: Tigger | Dec 16 2022 10:33 utc | 237

8 dead, 23 wounded after himars trikes in two villages in Lugansk today.
nazi propaganda says power stations were turned off to protect them from attacks. The level of idiocy in Ukr is surprising. Most of them believe that every day Zeli shoots down 2131% of missiles and there is no or little damage, just planned outages for “protection”. And don’t forget, Putin ran out of missiles. Again.

Posted by: rk | Dec 16 2022 11:04 utc | 238

Kiev regime is basically living on extortion money. When that stream of income is cut, they’re toast.

Posted by: Josh | Dec 16 2022 11:09 utc | 239

Eric Newhill @ 151
Nice to see you here. Meant sincerely. Vigorous disagreement is not ill will.
USUK has been intervening in Ukraine since 1918 if not before. The infrastructure of insurgency has been diligently maintained. There will be little or no insurgency when this war, or the Ukrainian battle of this war, comes to a conclusion.
Guerillas and insurgents get to imagine they are players rather than pawns for just so long as the money spigot is open. For so long as there are pundits and scribes and editors and publishers telling them and telling the world that this bag of freaks are something good and something important. There will never be a shortage of delusional idiots happy to fight their great grandfather’s war. When the money spigot gets turned off those delusional idiots are just old men sitting in the back corner of the bar.
I live in the middle of a major community of Ukrainian emigrés. The mood has changed. They know they have lost.
One of the best friends I ever had was a Latvian who came to US in ’92. He is now a Russian citizen living in St. Petersburg. That is what the smart ones are going to do. Or they will wish they hadn’t closed themselves off from that path.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 16 2022 11:19 utc | 240

From the Economist interview with the Kiev Clown:
The Economist: How important do you think it is to continue to speak to Russian people?
Zelensky:The citizens of that country allowed the leader they elected to seize and kill another land. Are they responsible? Yes. There are criminals and there are those who kept silent for a very long time, and then said: “We can’t stay silent.”
If they believe they are good Russians, they will definitely oppose the regime, will do everything to make the regime fall, and it will fall. It is a matter of time. If it falls and you were there and did everything you could, the whole world will applaud.
Prove it to your children. Do not be afraid, go out, speak. Did they take you away for 25 days? What’s so terrible? Here they took a life, took a child for ever, killed a person for ever. Why are you comparing? “I was released, I was taken away for 25 days, I have already done my job.” No, you haven’t. Why? Because for many years you kept silent. And you are not guilty before me, you are guilty before yourself.

Note the “Orc” argument of Zelensky: Russians are EVIL!!!
And Banderites have been bombarding separatist areas of the former UkSSR for the past 8 years for the good of their erstwhile fellow citizens.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 16 2022 11:27 utc | 241

.. But in all cases it’s still many of the most serious fighters.
Posted by: Lex | Dec 15 2022 22:33 utc | 92

Absolutely agreed, the motivated and capable, a most valuable cohort, are gradually being lost on all sides. This has been a concern for RF from the outset (note the number of high ranking officers / generals lost in the first few months, likely targeted, Gen. Gerasimov injured in the field, likely lured for that purpose) but the “Ukrainian” side has gradually transformed into a conscript veneer over NATO command and control.
Now the west is losing its own most motivated and capable personnel, not just ‘roids-addled goons.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 16 2022 11:31 utc | 242

On yesterday’s thread, although it wasn’t well documented as such, an interview with one of Kadyrov’s subordinates was posted. I read it at Martyanov’s blog where it was posted by commentator Johnny Rotten and is near the top of the linked thread. I highly suggest reading it as an excellent counterpoint to b’s article.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2022 22:40 utc | 97

That is a great interview, a must read.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 16 2022 12:26 utc | 243

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2022 2:03 utc | 145
This is the war of civilization we are witnessing right now
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…. there is also research on civilizational wars that occurred before or during the emergence of the Might-Makes_Right patriarchy. We can no longer observe these wars in real life, but we can make logical assumptions about them based on evidence, and thus develop both a picture of the societies that existed in time before the Might-Makes_Right patriarchy and of the other people in the world who now want a multipolar world.
“Zeng, T.C., Aw, A.J. & Feldman, M.W. Cultural hitchhiking and competition between patrilineal kin groups explain the post-Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck. Nat Commun 9, 2077 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-018-04375-6

Posted by: marquesatheresa | Dec 16 2022 12:34 utc | 244


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/25107
Posted by: Down South | Dec 16 2022 4:52 utc | 199

Great info, just what I’ve been pondering the last couple of days, hence these two items:
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-to-receive-new-precision-guided-155-mm-artillery-rounds-from-usa/
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/us-considers-transferring-glsdb-munitions-to-ukraine-which-is-a-combination-of-an-aerial-bomb-and-a-rocket-motor/
No idea if these are effective or economical in practice but they appear to be conceptually sound. A guidance kit to retrofit standard artillery rounds and a guided / glide munition launched on a standards MLRS rocket.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 16 2022 12:34 utc | 245

@Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 16 2022 11:27 utc | 249
But, how many people read The Economist? Average people, I mean…
And, from the privileged up that read it, I asume they have enough brain to understand that this is the criminal clown Zelensky projecting all the way…
Btw, I read the blog of Mark Chapman for the first time past day, through a link at Martyanov´s, and saw your comments including videos of Moscow under the snow and dealing with it….
I considered moving to Russia during the past tow years, but the following up of harsh pandemic measures at least in Moscow, ewautiing in my view a fascist medical dictatorship, which is what I would had been trying to avoid, plus the harsh cold, completely disuaded me of doing it.
Then it is that I am not neither young enough to start anew, nor old enough to retire…Thus, between a rock and a hard place. I am considering Mexico, which i will visit as soon as possible to explore, as the best option for me right now.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 16 2022 12:43 utc | 246

From the beginning I have said that Zaluzhny is a highly competent professional officer with a WWII Red Army-esque streak of ruthlessness and willingness to sacrifice troops to achieve military objectives. He has done very well given his strategic problems, much better than the Russian commanders until the advent of Surovikin. It is my opinion that he will eventually replace Elensky as dictator of Ukranazistan. The only question is whether he will overthrow Elensky or take over after the former flees or is falseflagged by his Brutish SAS bodyguards/minders.
https://sonar21.com/ukraines-general-zaluzhnyis-media-blitz/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 16 2022 12:48 utc | 247

James Grip at 100 seems unaware that the Germans would have won Verdun, and collapsed the French army, if they had only continued Falkenhayn’s “mincing machine” for one month more. That’s how close the Germans in WWI came to victory.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 16 2022 12:51 utc | 248

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 16 2022 10:03 utc | 241
One presumes the naysayers were concerned that voting in the affirmative might hinder their burgeoning sado-fascist restoration.
All pretty straightforward.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 16 2022 12:58 utc | 249

Posted by: Vesa | Dec 16 2022 6:49 utc | 221
How amusing.
Too off-myopic for me.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 16 2022 13:03 utc | 250

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Dec 16 2022 11:27 utc | 249
He is lucky that he is not in my hands as I don’t have the legal niceties of President Putin. I have already weighed the evidence and found him and his nation wanting. Short shrift is all Elensky deserves , and he should have been targetted just as Russian generals were.
Posted by: abrogard | Dec 16 2022 5:43 utc | 215
Agreed. There was no real problem with the dam wall as we were told the Russians emptied the dam to safe levels. In any case, as you and I both said, you tell the Ukros,that if the dam is breached you drown Kiev. Simple.
The problem really seemed to be that the Russians are unable or unwilling to knock out the HIMars that could destroy the bridge over the Dam that was the second logistics artery over. Land from Russia . In actual fact, the Himars can and likely still does hit the main canals and itheir arteries , that brings water to both Donetsk and Crimea. Unless the Russians manage to put those Himars out of action there ,in Bakhmut( the canal there has been continuously hit by Ukros ; stopping major water flow to the Donetsk region) and close to Melitopol,(another logistic artery) the Russians are hamstrung.
The Himars appears to be a wunderwaffe in a way entirely unexpected by most.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 16 2022 13:07 utc | 251

With today’s revelation from TASS that US and Polish forces are actively planning attacks on Russia itself and that Russia knows exactly where in Poland this staging is occurring, you have to wonder. Where is Russia? Polish and US military know Where Russia is–their drones have been mapping out the coming incursions.
This is bad enough. Prospectively,should the chessboard change, say, Turkey backs out, it will be too little too late and tragically written down as a case of a yawning “whatever will be will be” plan of action. And it will.
This operation was not discovered by Russia this morning.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 16 2022 13:16 utc | 252

It is hilarious how Ukrainian military is claiming that they shot down 60 out of 72 missiles, while now is almost the whole country sitting in the dark. So why they would need Patriots or other wonders of NATO AD, when clearly they are so successful currently?
I cannot find any video proof of such successes on any channel anywhere.
The other issue is to notice how easy it is for RF forces to triangulate AD radars and AD systems, probably everything else with a radar, since they are having the entire Ukraine surrounded in a giant cauldron.
Global Hawk (Forte xx) and other AWACS capable planes are still dancing around, and the only reason that keeps them in the air is still ‘learning mode’ on RF studying the data.
Part of it goes through secure satellite channels, the other part is delivered to control centres via secure direct link. It takes the time and lots of effort to crack those and even jam them, but i am sure that there is a department of RF dedicated to this.
Having those neutralized at some point, we will know that a SMO will transit to the war. I am still trying to find out what would be the trigger for that.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 16 2022 13:28 utc | 253

The Himars appears to be a wunderwaffe in a way entirely unexpected by most.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 16 2022 13:07 utc | 260
It’s not. It’s a tactical weapons forced to take strategic roles because Ukrainian have nothing better. They have too little numbers to use in proper artillery roles, their rockets have too little warheads to took out strategic infrastructure.
The pullback from Kherson city smell political than strategic decision.

Posted by: Lucci | Dec 16 2022 13:58 utc | 254

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 16 2022 12:51 utc | 257
So Germany was unperturbed by The Somme Offensive by the British ?
Wikipedia seems to have a view…….A school of thought holds that the Battle of the Somme placed unprecedented strain on the German army and that after the battle it was unable to replace casualties like-for-like, which reduced it to a militia……………….The destruction of German units in battle was made worse by lack of rest. British and French aircraft and long-range guns reached well behind the front line, where trench-digging and other work meant that troops returned to the line exhausted.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 16 2022 14:21 utc | 255

Donetsk is now receiving the daily dose of missile strikes. 15 so far. Has anyone seen Baldie recently? Is he in a vacation somewhere?

Posted by: rk | Dec 16 2022 15:00 utc | 256

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/25107
Posted by: Down South | Dec 16 2022 4:52 utc | 199
This one reference (which rings true based on watching the SMO since February) really got me thinking. Thanks for sharing.
What if there has been a complete change in effective combat strategy from past battles to the extent that many militaries (including Russia and NATO) have prepared for the wrong conflict, like World War II armies were ready at the beginning to fight WWI all over again (looking at you, France…)?
What if in the presence of a Russian-made air defense air power is worthless except as missile launchers from a safe distance?
What if in the presence of loads of ATGMs massed armor is vulnerable?
What if massed artillery is vulnerable to effective counterbattery but accurate artillery and missile fire is everything?
What if inexpensive drones (not Baykratars) are the now most effective weapon on the battlefield?
It looks to me that both Ukraine and Russia have been adapting to the new era of warfare and I suspect while NATO is taking copious notes I don’t know that change can occur quickly in their forces. The MIC insists on expensive often manned systems that are proving vulnerable to the Russian missile and Iranian-style drone.
Just like in World War I against fixed defenses, are highly trained infantry (akin to the World War ONE German sturmtruppen) like Wagner that can infiltrate and engage along with precisely targeted artillery better than armored thrusts?
It should not be a surprise that forces like Hezbollah and Iran that have been on the defensive against better armed powers would be the cutting edge for this next wave of warfare.
Of course, warfare is still industrial and those nations that offshored their industry (looking at you, USA…) are at a disadvantage.
I think the change in Russian strategy under Surovikin is more aligned with the new reality.
This is a new day in combat strategy and I suspect when all is said and done it will be as ground shaking a change in technology and tactics as the World Wars were.

Posted by: mtw | Dec 16 2022 15:03 utc | 257

Looks like a whole new batch of amateurs have hatched onto the forum to rehash arguments from 8 months ago.
I think I’ll sit this one out.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 16 2022 15:06 utc | 258

The Slovak government has fallen due to having lost a no-confidence vote in parliament. There will be new election. It is quite probable that the present pro-Ukrainian – anti-Russian political course will be exchanged for a political course that seeks alignment with Hungary’s Viktor Orban government.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Dec 15 2022 18:57 utc | 35

Thank goodness; hopefully Slovakian Unity (Slovenská pospolitosť) will come to power or at least expand their influence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Togetherness

Posted by: ReinhardVonSigfried | Dec 16 2022 15:07 utc | 259

It should not be a surprise that forces like Hezbollah and Iran that have been on the defensive against better armed powers would be the cutting edge for this next wave of warfare.
Of course, warfare is still industrial and those nations that offshored their industry (looking at you, USA…) are at a disadvantage.
I think the change in Russian strategy under Surovikin is more aligned with the new reality.
This is a new day in combat strategy and I suspect when all is said and done it will be as ground shaking a change in technology and tactics as the World Wars were.
Posted by: mtw | Dec 16 2022 15:03 utc | 266
Reliance on armor puts you in an arms race you will always lose.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 16 2022 15:13 utc | 260

Wagner company says France is behind assassination attempt, using an explosion, on the head of the Russian House in Central African Republic. Asks Russia’s Foreign Ministry to declare France a state sponsor of terrorism.
As an update, shelling today in Donetsk is using Czech missiles.

Posted by: rk | Dec 16 2022 15:23 utc | 261

Time Magazine’s portrait of Zelensky has Adolf Hitler characteristics, puffiness and Thyroid stary eyes. Not that I am worried for my own part what mind-games the ALT Right MSM are using, but are they really trying to present Zelensky as an actual leader, rather than a US puppet?
They say Art is always derivative, you can use the muscular curves of a jaguar’s back legs to make a Jaguar car look fast and aggressive. But is there a receptive audience out there in the West that actially wants World War 3 , Nazi re-run? Or is this just subliminal advertising to make a non-entity coke-head look important?

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 16 2022 15:31 utc | 262

Good news for Zelensky:

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/43377
❗️🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴‍☠️ There was a missile attack on the Kryvyi Rih TPP (the largest power plant in Europe using solid fossil fuels)
‼️I remind you: everything that Russia bombs was built by the Soviet Union, which Ukraine hates so much. Russia is helping Zelensky get rid of Ukraine’s Soviet past.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 16 2022 15:33 utc | 263

Or is this just subliminal advertising to make a non-entity coke-head look important?
Giyane | Dec 16 2022 15:31 utc | 273
Also UNGA adopted another resolution on combating the glorification of Nazism. 120 in favor, 50 against and 10 abstained. I haven’t checked each one but the 50 were mostly eu/nato and Ukr. In the past years, the votes against were constantly from Ukr and US.
For the moment, these sad losers are just trying to make fun of Russia and Russians in general. Cancel culture in nazi flavor. Other losers, like India or China, still very quiet, pretend nothing happens. The surprise will come soon.
It was funny to read today that Zely wanted to have a broadcasted message at World Cup final, for billions to see. Permission denied. He is very angry now, hates FIFA. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him, eventually.

Posted by: rk | Dec 16 2022 15:56 utc | 264

Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 4:27 utc | 186
That he was assisting the Nazis as a propagandist (and perhaps more) was never in dispute.
Got it. Thanks for replying.
Assisting the Nazis as a propagandist !!?
I could have included additional links. He informed on Jews and Poles knowing well the outcomes.
The word “assist” is often used to obfuscate. When some high official is arrested, the media will often report it as “he is assisting the police.”
Cheers. Your comments are educative.

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 16 2022 15:57 utc | 265

Donetsk suffers the heaviest bombing since 2014, possibly from Czech RM-70 “Vampire” launchers sent to Ukraine.
It seems that there are only two things immutable in this war: the criminal Ukrainian bombing of civilians in the republics of Donbass and Russia’s incompetence to stop them.

Posted by: Pleonasm | Dec 16 2022 16:01 utc | 266

Blessings Likklemore, good to be able to see you here again..
Raspect..

Posted by: Lozion | Dec 16 2022 16:01 utc | 267

@ Anne B | Dec 16 2022 7:01 utc | 221
lol… i was baffled by the viewpoint you touch on from erics post too..

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2022 16:24 utc | 268

john helmer covered the c freeland family connections many years ago at dance with bears… the ottawa citizen even had an article on it… but it is silence in the msm canuck media since she has been in power… funny how that works…

Posted by: james | Dec 16 2022 16:26 utc | 269

Posted by: watcher | Dec 16 2022 0:39 utc | 128
Judaism is a religion and doesn’t make you semitic, as much as israelis want to thrash against this.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 16 2022 16:48 utc | 270

john helmer covered the c freeland family connections many years ago at dance with bears… the ottawa citizen even had an article on it… but it is silence in the msm canuck media since she has been in power… funny how that works…
Posted by: james | Dec 16 2022 16:26 utc | 270

The Globe & Mail reported on it (with anti-Russian “spin”) after the Ottawa Citizen, that is about as MSM as you can get here in Canada.
Here is the article that bypasses the paywall https://archive.ph/OAo5Z
So did the National Post.
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/russian-diplomat-calls-expulsions-over-remarks-un-canadian
Notice that even the Conservative rep. quoted in the G&M blames Russia. There are 1.4 million Canadians of Ukrainian descent here, many of whom vote and subscribe to newspapers. “Nothing personal, it’s just business.” 😉

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 16:52 utc | 271

Posted by: William Verick | Dec 16 2022 3:39 utc | 168
Oh look, it’s Zanon with a different nickname after getting told by his superiors that his trolling style isn’t sticking…

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 16 2022 16:56 utc | 272

If Ukrainian ammunition is in such short supply, why do they continue to waste it on civilians in Donetsk?

Posted by: Gregorio | Dec 16 2022 17:10 utc | 273

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 15 2022 18:35 utc | 26
I see rk | Dec 15 2022 18:19 utc | 21 beat me to it on reporting Don Corlenskioni’s menacing words. Lol.
Zelensky is no Don Corleone. The Don was successful and classy.
He’s more like Scarface. And he will probably meet the same fate: going down in a rain of gunfire while he dunks his head in a large pile of cocaine.
Please n

Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Dec 16 2022 17:22 utc | 274

If Ukrainian ammunition is in such short supply, why do they continue to waste it on civilians in Donetsk?
Posted by: Gregorio | Dec 16 2022 17:10 utc | 275

My 50% Ukrainian 50% Russian (by DNA only) partner says the psyche of Ukrainians is such that “if we can’t have it, you can’t have/enjoy it either”.
Some suggest that attitude toward the collectivization of farms contributed to the great famine of the 1930s.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 17:24 utc | 275

If Ukrainian ammunition is in such short supply, why do they continue to waste it on civilians in Donetsk?
Gregorio | Dec 16 2022 17:10 utc | 274
Because it doesn’t work on the soldiers. And it gives orgasms to Vicky.

Posted by: rk | Dec 16 2022 17:28 utc | 276

Posted by: watcher | Dec 16 2022 0:39 utc | 128
I am not offended by the word “oligarch” – Over time most countries will come to be dominated by powerful economic interests – look at us.
Out of the chaos of the collapse of the USSR, corruption is a natural result. Order is slowly restored first by “gangsters”. With the “shock therapy”, assets of the country fell into the hands of the few, the ruthless and the connected.
Putin made great strides in restoring civil order to the country, but he still operates within context of multiple power centers. He is dominant but cannot operate with complete impunity.
I think its a natural progression for the gangsters to morph into paragons of legitimate businessmen over a generation or 2. Thats probably whats happening in Russia. I hope the process continues. I think the danger for Russia is that it already has a natural tendency toward concentration of the economy into the hands of a relatively few big players. The US suffers from the same disease and we can see how the dynamic and productivity of our own economy has suffered. Russia has a vast country side. I’d like to imagine that great potential lies out in those spaces but perhaps that is mistaken.
We will see how things shake out. If the war ends successfully and does not drag on too long, perhaps it will unleash beneficial forces. That is what I would like to see. But what do I really know about Russia ?

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Dec 16 2022 17:53 utc | 277

I suppose I am in the majority who want an end to this madness. It seems to me a grand Russian offensive, one designed to end it, is mandatory. The longer this goes on the greater the number of Russian KIAs, and that leads to the demoralization of the Russian civilian population, and the political climate that comes with it. Re: America/Vietnam 1970s. I’ve read that Russia fears NATO/US entering the fray. Is that true? I don’t know, but I doubt it. Unless the collective West is hiding its hand it doesn’t have the resources to wage a large-scale war. However, we can’t underestimate the level of crazy which drives the neo-cons. They will go nuclear. This is what worries Moscow.

Posted by: joseph | Dec 16 2022 20:34 utc | 278

Another Pinocchio Award for The Economist.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Dec 16 2022 21:22 utc | 279

@Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 17:24 utc | 275
It is well documented that the Kulaks (the richer peasants that were landlords to less wealthy peasants as well as running larger farms) destroyed up to 50% of their animals and tools so that the collective farms would not have them. This was right across the Soviet Union, not just in the area we currently call Ukraine. And yes, it did intensify the effects of the drought. The petit bourgeoisie can be the most bloody minded of the bourgeoisie.
These actions created a lot of hatred and a lot of the killing of Kulaks was more spontaneous local action that centrally planned, in many cases local officials tried to reduce this. This also happened in China after 1949 when a lot of “retribution” was taken out on the landlord class by the peasants.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 16 2022 22:41 utc | 280

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Dec 15 2022 22:53 utc | 101

It has only been a Russian possession about as long as the USA has been a country.

LOL at the gratuitous “only”. Only since the French Revolution. Only since the Enlightenment. Only since the beginning of the modern world.
You are aware that people normally draw your comparison to show how ancient is Russia’s connection with Crimea, not how recent it is?

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 16 2022 23:25 utc | 281

@ Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 16:52 utc | 271
yes, thanks.. i had seen the ottawa citizen citation before, but not the national post one… as i said – john helmer was reporting on this quite some time ago and that is the first person i read about these connections from.. he was writing a lot on her back in 2017 and i was made aware of the ottawa citizen article also from 2017 some time afterwards.. i don’t know that i saw the globe and mail article, but i might have… the press has been largely successful it silencing or deflecting any of this to date, all under the guise of – ‘its russian propaganda’.. however i think a number of us are buying that…

Posted by: james | Dec 17 2022 2:06 utc | 282

It’s interesting that none of these Westernaganda rags ever attempt to interview anyone from the government or military in Russia.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 15 2022 23:35 utc | 115
That should be a slam-dunk argument against the credibility of Western MSM but it is also said a frog’s eye only sees things that move.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 17 2022 11:36 utc | 283

The Zalujny interview is the preview of an American declaration of war against Russia, to be officially handled by NATO.
It cannot be interpreted as anything but a Neocon announcement that all-out war against Russia is the only option left for the US — through a sockpuppet talking to the Neocon newspaper of record. I would be extremely surprised if any non-Neocon faction in the Empire was able to prevail, by either proclaiming that what’s in play is not existential for the US, or engaging the rear drive that is lacking in the Neocon imperial government.
We’ll all probably have to lose our lives for having neglected to hang the warmongers before it’s too late.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Dec 17 2022 13:39 utc | 284

@Melaleuca [99]
Your observation and judgment is sound, but there is a higher level perspective which shows Russia’s longer-term strategy.
The evacuation of Kherson was a filtration event. People who left for Russia will be integrated into the motherland with jobs, housing, etc. People who waffled or preferred being Ukies face a different fate. Russia will have less work to distinguish loyal newcomers from the disloyal. It’s a brilliant and effective strategy. It’s much faster and cheaper in lives lost, compared to the 11+ years it took the USSR to subdue the Ukro-Nazis, 1945-1956. It’s the most ethical strategy possible because everyone is free to pick which side they want to live on. If some wafflers are executed by the Ukro-Nazis, that’s sad – but as they say, Russia “can’t fix stupid.”

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 17 2022 18:04 utc | 285