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December 10, 2022
Ukraine SitRep – Catastrophic Losses, Failing Wonder Weapons, NATO Escalation

The Russian military is still integrating most of the mobilized 300,000+ men and volunteers. According to Putin 25% of the mobilized forces are in combat units, 25% in rear positions, while 50% train in Russia. It does not look like an imminent all out attack on the Ukrainian front lines is in the cards. The expected large winter attack may not be coming at all. Instead the new forces will rotate through the frontline and only attack locally whenever they see an opportunity.

The Russian do not need to attack. Their task is to demilitarize Ukraine. As long as the Ukrainians come to the front lines and attack the Russians their is no need to launch a large attack on them.

The map from a months ago versus today shows only a few small changes of the front lines.

November 10 2022

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December 10 2022

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However, the does not mean that nothing is happening.

December 10 2022

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Every day all of the frontline sections are full of artillery/bombing symbols. That is mostly Russian artillery mowing the grass and killing Ukrainian soldiers.

Over the last month it was mostly the Ukrainians who attacked all along the front only to run into walls of steel and explosions. They did not manage to break the Russian lines. They tried again and again but failed with high losses.

Russian offenses were mostly confined to the Bakhmut/Artemovsk front where the Wagner private military contractor group has captured multiple Ukrainian trench lines and villages. This usually comes only after the artillery has cleaned the area and the few surviving Ukrainians moved out. The map from a months ago versus today shows small but important differences in that front line.

November 10 2022

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December 10 2022

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There must be a Ukrainian high order to hold onto Bakhmut at any price. The Ukrainian army has again and again moved reserve brigades into the area. Its hold operation is extremely costly:

Tony @Cyberspec1 – 5:46 UTC · Dec 10, 2022

Polish newspaper NDP (Independent Political Journal) believes that without the support of NATO, the fighting in 🇺🇦 would end within a week.

NDP: daily losses of the AFU near Bakhmut reach a battalion (500-800 soldiers), hospitals in the city of Konstantinovka are overcrowded,

The above is not the only source which made that claim.

Big Serge @witte_sergei – 18:32 UTC · Dec 8, 2022

LPR officials claim that Ukraine is transferring up to 500 men *per day* to Bakhmut to replenish losses. Even Arestovych admitted that Russian artillery strength in the sector has a 9 to 1 advantage. Bakhmut is becoming the largest and most costly battle of the war for Ukraine.

Newsweek spoke with a 'former' U.S. Colonel who, together with 'volunteers', trains Ukrainian soldiers. Here is what he says about Ukrainian losses:

"Bakhmut is like Dresden, and the countryside looks like Passchendaele," he said, referring to the German city destroyed by allied bombing in World War II and the infamously muddy and bloody World War I battlefield. "It's just a horrible and miserable place."

Ukraine closely guards its casualty figures, but its forces are believed to be suffering badly around Bakhmut.

"They've been taking extraordinarily high casualties," Milburn said of the units training with Mozart. "The numbers you are reading in the media about 70 percent and above casualties being routine are not exaggerated."

Despite their "tremendous morale," Milburn said the defenders "have an acute 'regeneration problem,' which means getting new recruits into the line as quickly as possible." This means those being thrown into the fight have little beyond basic training.

"Typically about 80 percent of our intake who are coming off of the line have never even fired a weapon before," Milburn said. "We've got our work cut out for us."

A unit that has 50% casualties is usually no longer able to fight and must be replaced. But the Ukrainians leave their units on the frontline until nearly nobody is left in them.

So the number of 500 casualties per day on the Bakhmut front seems realistic. Over the last months the daily report of the Russian ministry of defense listed on average some 300 Ukrainian casualties per day. But the ministry does not report the casualties from Bakhmut as the operations of the private military contractor Wagner are not included in it. So the daily total over the last month, despite little movement of the front lines, must have been some 800 dead Ukrainians. In the 30 days between the two maps at the top at least 24,000 Ukrainian soldiers have left the battle field.

It is no wonder that such high numbers can not be replaced.

The mix of dead or wounded will likely be 1 to 1 as medical evacuation from the frontline trenches is extremely difficult. Most wounded will just die there.

It is not only the men that are lost. The equipment they used is mostly lost with them. 24,000 men are the equivalent of 6 to 7 NATO brigades. The German army has now only 8 of those. When I was it that army it had 36 brigades plus significant reserve units. The same large downgrade happened with the general state of NATO. It is not ready for a war with Russia.

The western wounder weapons have done little for Ukraine. The Russians have update their air defense systems to now detect and shoot down HIMARS missiles. They report some 10 to 20 of such kills per day. The shooting down of small and medium sized Ukrainian drones has dropped from 20-30 per day in the summer to 2-3 per day. Either the Ukrainians have run out of drones or the weather has made theirs unusable. Russian drones continue to fly and they help with artillery targeting. The western artillery systems can not be repaired in the field as the Ukrainians lack the training and tools to do that. The Wall Street Journal reports:

Less than 50% of the self-propelled Panzerhaubitze — a class of mobile, long-barreled battlefield guns officially known as PzH2000 howitzers that are widely considered to be among the best-performing weapons of their kind — are on the battlefield at any given time, because they must be taken to Lithuania for repairs, nearly 900 miles from the Kherson front in southern Ukraine, senior German officials said. Germany has so far delivered 14 such weapons, and the Netherlands another five.

Other allies, such as the U.S. and Britain, service the arms they donated to Ukraine in Poland, near the Ukrainian border. But Warsaw has refused to allow Berlin to set up a servicing center in Poland, requesting instead that the German manufacturers provide confidential technical information in order for a Polish state-controlled company to do the work, according to German officials involved in the talks.

There was also a spat over Patriot air defense missiles. Germany offered to station these in east Poland but with German crews. Poland first accepted the offer, then rejected it and said the missiles should go to Ukraine. It then retracted again and will now accept the offer.

The international relation within Europe are getting worse. The German chancellor Olaf Scholz has declared that he wants Germany to be the leading power in Europe. Germany's neighbors, and most of its own population, are not happy with that.

Over the last five months Latvia has hosted the Russian opposition TV station TVrain. It has now shot it down because TVrain, sending for a Russian audience, also had some positive things to say about Russia. TVrain had survived in Russia for 12 years. In Latvia it lasted only four and a half months.

Alec Luhn @ASLuhn – 19:24 UTC · Dec 9, 2022

.@tvrain journalists have been blacklisted in Latvia & declared a foreign agent in Russia on the same day 🤔
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What these anecdotes show is that NATO is slowly falling apart. NATO is losing the proxy war in Ukraine and it is losing it badly. The people know it and it will have consequences. An increasingly authoritarian EU will follow the same path.

But there are powers in NATO that want to prevent that downfall. They will try to get NATO directly into the fight:

NATO’s secretary general warned on Friday that Russia’s war in Ukraine could expand into a wider war with the Atlantic alliance.

The official, Jens Stoltenberg, repeatedly cautioned in news media interviews this week against underestimating the situation in Ukraine and emphasized the wider threat President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia could pose to Europe.

“If things go wrong, they can go horribly wrong,” Mr. Stoltenberg said in an interview released on Friday with the Norwegian journalist Anne Lindmo, in which he added that there was “no doubt” a full-blown war against NATO was a “real possibility.”

“I understand everyone who is tired of supporting Ukraine. I understand everyone who thinks that food prices and the electricity bills are far too high,” he said. “But we have to pay a much higher price if our freedom and peace are threatened through Putin winning in Ukraine.”

Reread that last sentence:

“But we have to pay a much higher price if our freedom and peace are threatened through Putin winning in Ukraine.”

Putin wining in Ukraine, which he is doing, will threaten our freedom and peace?

Russia has no interest in Europe beyond Ukraine's borders. So how is that suppose to endanger us?

It is bullshit but it is designed to push for NATO entering the war when it becomes obvious to everyone that Russia is wining it.

The Russians see that coming:

NATO countries are increasingly involved in the conflict in Ukraine, with the United States intentionally proceeding with an escalation on this track, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said on the Rossiya-24 TV channel on Thursday.

"NATO members are increasingly and directly involved in this conflict. Their support for Kiev is now much diversified than it was a few months ago. This is a reflection of Washington’s intentional policy, obediently pursued by the Europeans, of escalating the conflict. They are playing with fire. The risks are soaring," Ryabkov said.

Indeed. But Stoltenberg has one thing right:

Mr. Stoltenberg’s comments came two days after he said that Russia was intentionally stalling the war in order to prepare a renewed onslaught against Ukrainian forces next year.

Let us assume that Russia waits until March for its all out attack on Ukraine. In the meantime it continues to grind the Ukrainian army down without itself having significant casualties. The Ukrainian army will by then have lost another 72,000 men. That is probably a third of its current strength. By then its acute 'regeneration problem' will have become even more acute. It means that it will then be much weaker.

What plans may Russia have for an all out spring attack?

Dr. Michael Vlahos and Col. Douglas Macgregor are military historians. They have watched the war in Ukraine and recently discussed it. They have come to their own conclusions. Neither believes in the nonsense of a winning Ukraine that the 'western' media are trying to sell us. They have ideas how Russia may want to attack.

Part one of their talk is here:

Is the war in Ukraine entering its decisive phase? Pt.1

Why NATO strategic failure? A war of deceit, denial Pt2

What is to be done? Can a corrupted US military be renewed? Pt.3

Each of those videos is some 30-50 minutes long. But it is content on a higher level than what you will see in other talk shows. I highly recommend these.

Comments

Captain Obvious
Relax and keep drinking…that is…if you are not a troll. This is a forum for the intense exchange of ideas, and the locals are serious, strong-willed, and boisterous. If you’re going to get in the fray, put on your armor…but don’t take things personally. Just read and respond accordingly. If you a troll or simply want to have your ideas seconded without opposition, perhaps you need to rethink your choices.
Arch Bungle @ 183
I appreciate your thorough presentation of the difficulties associated with a full mobilization and pursuing global war. I’m not sure that members of Congress would oppose war mobilization as communistic…that is, if their wheels could be greased enough to overlook the central planning necessary to effectuate such a large social and economic endeavor. Seems to me that the MIC has its tendrils in so many Congressional districts that proving the efficacy of war economy to politicians with a natural inclination to have an ‘itching palm’ might not be as far fetched as you think.
Outraged @ 189
Well, the US population might not be ready for rations, but the Empire is making a test run in Europe right now. The litany of leaders cajoling their populations to sacrifice their quality of life for democracy/Ukraine/freedom is stunning. Even to the point where leaders in England are accusing workers who want a wage increase of being Putin stooges. It’s crazy. Hope the Europeans eventually push back against the madness.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 11 2022 6:05 utc | 201

Come to you think of it, even chimps have morals, like it or not. And they also will rip you limb from limb.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 11 2022 6:05 utc | 202

❗️ As I understand it, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have begun to use new HIMARS missiles with an increased range of up to 140 km.
And if this is the case, then we need to take measures to increase strikes against the enemy and defense above the established ones.
The front line in this area was not close to Melitopol and it can be said with confidence that missiles with an increased range were delivered.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24440

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:05 utc | 203

circumspect @189–
It’s been mad for decades, centuries, this Age of Plunder that’s being halted. The Global Bully is being stood up to–finally. The sane thing to do would be to quit the Plunder game and go Win-Win. But those running the Empire are addicted to their behavioral problem–Pleonexia–and can’t let go, although they won’t go so far as to endanger their lives: Why steal all those billions if you can’t spend them on extravagances?
Interesting observation by just released Viktor Bout:
“‘I don’t believe they’ll have a revolution in the United States,’ he said, referring to political division in the country. Bout elaborated, arguing that excessive drug use is making young Americans too passive ‘to do anything,’ while Washington ruthlessly punishes dissent, as it did when it jailed the Trump supporters who protested against Biden’s electoral victory on Capitol Hill last January.” [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2022 6:07 utc | 204

There may be no electricity for two-three months in the Odessa region, according to authorities.
The Department of Life Support Systems and Energy Efficiency of the Odessa Region State Administration has made a disappointing forecast on electricity restoration in the region.
“According to preliminary forecasts, the restoration of energy facilities in the Odessa region will take much longer than in previous times after enemy shelling,” “It’s not a matter of days, but even weeks, and we haven’t ruled out 2–3 months,” as reported on the Facebook page.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24431

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:07 utc | 205

I believe we are witnessing the end of America’s days as the World’s Policeman. The U.S. military is an expensive expeditionary force. Deploying troops and equipment to foreign countries to wage war is a costly business. Not just in terms of lives lost, but it requires, as we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq, billions of dollars that are burned up on battlefields without achieving any significant political outcome that strengthens the security of the United States.
We are witnessing a new phase of this reality in Ukraine. U.S. weapons on the battlefield on the Donbas are not game changers. The war in Ukraine has exposed the weakness of the logistics capability of both the United States and the NATO members. We have reached a point where the United States defense contractors can only produce 20,000 artillery shells in a month while Russia is firing that many in one day and is able to continue supplying its troops.
The obsession of the United States in producing grossly expensive combat and bomber aircraft is self destructive. We have reached the point in history where piloted aircraft no longer are viable in light of the air defense systems that Russia and China have deployed. Technology has brought us to the point where a precision guided missile can do the work of a bomber or a jet fighter with only a fraction of the money required to deploy and maintain a manned aircraft.

https://sonar21.com/the-war-in-ukraine-has-exposed-the-weakness-of-the-u-s-military/

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:13 utc | 206

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 2:26 utc | 148
They are going to have to industrialize detox centers first for that to be a reality.

Posted by: dust | Dec 11 2022 6:18 utc | 207

Russian victory on the battlefield will not deliver political victory to Russia. Even capture of Kiev will not deliver political victory. Occupying Kiev only will create huge problems for Moscow.
Victory for Russia requires:
1) A new regime in Kiev. New leadership. Federal structures for Ukraine with extensive autonomy for the regions.
2) A treaty between Russia and the new regime recognizing Russian control of Crimea and southern Russophone oblasts.
3) New Kiev regime agrees to permanent neutrality and Russia in return agrees to non-aggression treaty.
None of these conditions can emerge until Ukrainian elite opinion concludes that continued war is less desirable than agreement with Russia. This won’t happen until civil infrastructure is substantially eliminated.

Posted by: Mark Rothschild | Dec 11 2022 6:20 utc | 208

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Dec 11 2022 2:34 utc | 151
I don’t buy it. It appears to me that this whole Ukraine thing is theatre directed by the WEF to further the Great Reset.
Of course it is! Putin is Klaus Swabs secret lover(don’t tell them I told you).
What I don’t understand is what’s so Great about it.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 11 2022 6:24 utc | 209

Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 11 2022 6:05 utc | 198
I’m not sure that members of Congress would oppose war mobilization as communistic…that is, if their wheels could be greased enough to overlook the central planning necessary to effectuate such a large social and economic endeavor. Seems to me that the MIC has its tendrils
For sure they will be ‘converted’ to the aims of a war economy, eventually. However the presence of the (ostensibly) ideological opposition to socialism, communism and anything resembling it in (factions of) the US leadership will create “friction” in the process which might otherwise not have been there. :
There will be conflicts between true ideologues and “ideologues of convenience” long, embarrassing public arguments
Money will indeed have to change hands as you say.
Envelopes containing photographs of naked politicians in compromising positions with young hussies will have to be mailed around
Yes, it will be done but … at what cost?
In the end, the final effect is the confluence of all these frictions which add up.
Perhaps a war economy will be achieved but at tremendous cost and at dubious profit …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 6:30 utc | 210

Posted by: Mark Rothschild | Dec 11 2022 6:20 utc | 205
None of these conditions can emerge until Ukrainian elite opinion concludes that continued war is less desirable than agreement with Russia. This won’t happen until civil infrastructure is substantially eliminated.
There is an easier way: Eliminate the elite.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 6:32 utc | 211

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 3:49 utc | 162
Well, if the drug use in the trenches of the Ukraine military are true, then perhaps that could be a recruiting draw for American youth looking for exciting, illicit substance filled escapades to post about on social media.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 11 2022 6:33 utc | 212

An excellent article that concurs with my view and that of Larry Johnson, MacGregor (of course) and Alex Mercouris. The Wagner Group says that they do not want to destroy the city– just the UAF forces. With losses of a battalion a day, the UAF is now supplying mercenary groups, which the Wagners are happy to dispose of us without remorse. In the meantime, the Russians are using what the Western Media call “defensive” fortifications set up in their line. However, these fortifications are set up also for OFFENSE! Meaning that while they can repel attacks by the UAF, they are also intended to use to launch attacks.Each fortified town or village therefore becomes an attack base. They fortifications are temporary in nature, easily and quickly constructed, not intended as static purely defensive positions as is the case with UAF fortifications.
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/not-just-bakhmut-collapsing

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 11 2022 6:37 utc | 213

Reuters has a posting up with the title

Russia drones smash power network in Odesa, leaving 1.5 million without power

The opening quote

KYIV, Dec 10 (Reuters) – All non-critical infrastructure in the Ukrainian port of Odesa was without power after Russia used Iranian-made drones to hit two energy facilities, leaving 1.5 million people without power, officials said on Saturday.
“The situation in the Odesa region is very difficult,” President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address.
“Unfortunately, the hits were critical, so it takes more than just time to restore electricity… It doesn’t take hours, but a few days, unfortunately.”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2022 7:10 utc | 214

HellenB #9
Do you mean rampant petty and violent crime, censorship, stolen elections, poor education and healthcare,and failing infrastructure?
In other words, “3rd world” conditions?
The west reached that point a while ago.

Posted by: Battenmountain | Dec 11 2022 7:35 utc | 215

The US military in Vietnam had perhaps at the time, the finest battlefield medevac and field hospital setup the world had yet seen. Even by today’s standards, it is still quite. The WIA:KIA ratio for US forces in Vietnam was just 2.65:1.
Ukraine is doing worse at evacuating and treating wounded. I expect closer to 1:1. That of course means Ukraine has NOT lost in excess of 400k men killed and wounded. I reckon 100k killed, 150k wounded.
That is still horrific. I put AFRF casualties at around 10k, and DPR/LPR plus Chechens et al around 25k.

Posted by: Konstantin | Dec 11 2022 7:47 utc | 216

The western world is going mad and the main line of conversation here is on how to take a crap.
I don’t read the telegram channels from the Donbas much as despite the attrition ratio they whinge a bit. I see Kot’s was included in the meeting with Putin. I suspect the industrial slaughter will be refined for better productivity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 11 2022 7:50 utc | 217

@B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 4:12 utc | 171
About the US election:

Half the people know the election was stolen.

Much more than half. Half of them did not mind.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 11 2022 7:52 utc | 218

@experienced | Dec 11 2022 4:55 utc | 180
We used to get much higher quality trolling than this. Oh well.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 11 2022 7:58 utc | 219

@Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 4:56 utc | 181
Well said sir. You are on a roll with your latest posts. Thanks.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 11 2022 8:01 utc | 220

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 11 2022 8:01 utc | 217
Thanks, the Sunday brew is potent indeed!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 8:17 utc | 221

⚡️It is strange that the Russian special services were so irresponsible – Vučić
Speaking about Angela Merkel’s admission that the Minsk agreements were signed only to buy time for Kiev, the Serbian leader said that he greatly appreciated Merkel, and her statement is almost unbelievable.
Vucic also reminded the statement of Petro Poroshenko that Kyiv never wanted to comply with the Minsk agreements, and this largely changes the facts and attitudes towards what has been happening since 2014. He added that it “cannot change the fact of who attacked whom.”
“Merkel’s statement is something that dramatically changes the state of things in every sense, primarily political. This is a clear signal for me – whom we dare not believe. That’s all I can say. And here the question arises: how much we, as a small country, can hold out.
If they could play like that with someone who is much stronger than us, lie and deceive a country like the Russian Federation, use the time to arm in order to prepare a great defeat for the Russian Federation militarily. It is so strange to me that the Russian special services did not know, it is unbelievable that they were so irresponsible not to see this. And so unprepared to get involved in all this.
This changes a lot for me. But don’t completely compare our situation with theirs. This will be a lesson to us. But this time from 2012-2013 (when the Brussels agreements were signed), if you ask me, we used it much better, ”Vucic said frankly.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24465

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 8:19 utc | 222

I believe for Russia to sit back and demilitarize Ukraine by letting Ukraine be the constant aggressor would be a major mistake and Russia has made plenty of mistakes in this conflict. Wars are never won playing defensive and it can give the U.S., the U.K., and the E.U. time to plan and prepare. There is a report in the Times that the U.S. could be planning to allow Ukraine to attack deeper into Russia because the Pentagon is starting to believe Russia doesn’t have it in them to fight NATO directly.
Look at some of the past evidence! NATO expands several times towards the Russian border and Russia doesn’t respond. In fact, some reports predicted Putin would do nothing and Ukraine was an aberrant surprise to the West. In 2014, a Western backed coup takes over Ukraine. Russia protects it’s Black Sea base in Crimea, but allows the Donbass to suffer for about 7 years. Putin admits it was a bad call and yet he reverts to his natural passive behavior time and again. Russia claims an attack on the Donbass and Crimea is an attack on Russia and yet they are going to sit back with some occasional missile strikes and skirmishes? If America was attacked with 1/1,000 of what Russia has faced, America would go hard on the offensive. Putin has pulled off some pretty cool plays, but Russia can’t afford to play around and wait because a few good plays doesn’t win a war.

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Dec 11 2022 8:43 utc | 223

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 10 2022 22:11 utc | 87
“Please provide evidence that Putin gets orders from Xi.”
February 4th 2022
Putin meets Xi in Beijing. Begs permission to show some muscle. Xi grants permission, after Putin assures him it will be a short and victorious war by superior Russian forces.
February 24th 2022
Attack begins. Still ongoing. What might Xi think of Putins promises?
September 15th 2022
Putin meets Xi in Samarkand. Is given orders by Xi to wrap up the war quickly.
September 30th 2022
Putin thinks he can do this by annexing a few oblasts. 4d chessmaster that he is, he includes areas that Russia does not control, and areas that Russia will retreat from.
November 4th 2022
Xi warns Putin and everybody else, about not thratening or using nuclear weapons.
Sorry, no links, because they might stop the post getting through. I included dates, in order to show causation, but also make searching easier, if someone feels the need.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 8:45 utc | 224

“It is strange that the Russian special services were so irresponsible – Vučić”
Did he really say that? Anyway, the same special services, together with nato assets or vodka lovers like Shoigu, Surovikin and other “generals” like the (former) Black Sea general, surely told Putin that Ukr will surrender in a month, there’s no need for a war, just fake it a bit then retreat. And that they have support of local politicians. Almost a year later they’re stuck in the same positions or retreating and can’t even prevent attacks on airports far from Ukr borders.
Yesterday long range himars started to be used on Melitopol and soon the promised cluster munition will arrive. Let’s see what will be hit next and where.
If you don’t like real life you can talk about football and music with Marty from America and other self-titled experts

Posted by: rk | Dec 11 2022 8:58 utc | 225

Posted by: Mark Rothschild | Dec 11 2022 6:20 utc | 205
Russian victory on the battlefield will not deliver political victory to Russia. Even capture of Kiev will not deliver political victory. Occupying Kiev only will create huge problems for Moscow.
Victory for Russia requires:
1) A new regime in Kiev. New leadership. Federal structures for Ukraine with extensive autonomy for the regions.
2) A treaty between Russia and the new regime recognizing Russian control of Crimea and southern Russophone oblasts.
3) New Kiev regime agrees to permanent neutrality and Russia in return agrees to non-aggression treaty.
None of these conditions can emerge until Ukrainian elite opinion concludes that continued war is less desirable than agreement with Russia. This won’t happen until civil infrastructure is substantially eliminated.
<=== I respond Peace demands more than limits on the capacity of Ukraine.. ? Peace requires the rulers (mostly hidden) of the entire world to agree to Peace.. Ukraine is just a spec in the ocean when it comes to calming global chaos. Until all of the nations are disarmed<=so rulers cannot cause nations to war against each other, and all of those humans the nation rules <=are equivalent-ly armed; there will be no peace in the world, because the threat of the use of weapons of mass destruction comes from the rulers not from the governments nor from those who are ruled by the governments and because the rulers use the media to get their ways and governments to enforce the ways the media dictates. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 6:32 utc | 208 responds to Posted by: Mark Rothschild | Dec 11 2022 6:20 utc | 205 There is an easier way: Eliminate the elite. <=that might work for a short while, but a new cadre of elite will soon form to take their place. It is necessary to disarm the nation states to achieve peace.

Posted by: snake | Dec 11 2022 9:01 utc | 226

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 11 2022 1:11 utc | 131
“it’s really the CCP “we” should be worried about. The evil Chinese pull the strings says Mons Limpus!”
Ok, guess it can be read like that. However, I don’t think the Chinese are evil or ‘we’ should be worried about them. Just that the Chinese state, in some form, really has existed for a long time, unlike some ‘threats’ that people are always going on about.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 9:03 utc | 227

I’ve given my bonafides, regarding industrial mobilization.
I’ve run pipe at Moffet Field, as well.
I was working on hangars with Atlantis.
I once saw a guy get pulled off the job because his background check failed.
He was stopped at the entry check point and turned around, and shook down by security.
I was right behind him, in my truck.
Failed a drug test.
The jokers here have no idea how much industrial capacity is at hand in the US.
The union work in the US pays enormously.

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 9:09 utc | 228

ROTFLMAO. If the US mobilized today, it’d probably take 5 years to make washers dryers, refrigerators and stoves that work. Clearly someone is getting high on their own supply, or else they live in an alternate universe. The rot here in the US is irreversible.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Dec 11 2022 9:17 utc | 229

There are continuously 60-80 guys on my local list out of work.
That’s just one local.
If the US goes fully mobilized, all those guys are working,
Along with another 30 or so travellers, who will come for the steady.
And another 100 or so apprentice workers.
The trades people in just my area are capable of a war footing.
Again, do not underestimate the capacity of the US to ramp up
Production.

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 9:19 utc | 230

Opport Knocks | Dec 10 2022 23:01 utc | 99.. OT but;
I followed on from the title below; ZH, (which I could not read in full as behind a “premium” paywall).
“Zoltan Pozsar: Gold To Soar, Crush Western Banks When Putin Unveils Petrogold
“Russia’s decision to link gold to oil could bring gold back as a settlement medium and increase its intrinsic value sharply… Banks active in the paper gold market would face a liquidity shortfall.”

What it would do is ruin the “paper” gold market. Then following on from that, by linking it with Oil (and other commodities and hard assets – metals) as currency, it could create a non-debt based currrency .
Clearly the debt based racket that sees vapour and bits used as mediums of exchange at the flick of a finger, are going to become valueless (at least in the wide world.) as a means of storing wealth over a period of time.
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Corroborating fact is that China and others are rapidly buying Gold (real stuff). Which will gain rapidly in value when/if a new gold-commodity currency appears.
No, I won’t guess when it happens!
**
The new US Yellen-sanctions are supposed to be on those that will USE gold (and presumably gold-backed currencies) if originating from Russia.

Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 11 2022 9:28 utc | 231

a few stories at first was unsure if it was just PR or what. but now more videos released showing ukrainian tankers surrendering inside tanks that have hatches welded shut. seems these guys have seen the decimation and were needing some help to drive off to certain doom. the story goes they turn the turrets backwards to show not being a threat and drive into RF positions to surrender
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KOkqYMszQRnJ/

Posted by: hankster | Dec 11 2022 9:37 utc | 232

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 9:19 utc | 227
too bad they closed the factories. and btw it was a lot easier to sell the nazis as a threat, and it still took Pearl Harbor. do not underestimate the opposition to a world war against Russia and China. how many blue ribbons and slava ukraina signs you seen lately?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2022 9:39 utc | 233

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 8:45 utc | 221
your descriptions don’t show causation, it is obvious bs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2022 9:41 utc | 234

I do not know what LARP this is. But the frontiers stabilising at the current levels will at best be a pyrrhic victory – and will not solve the problem of a potentially hostile Ukraine for atleast the next five years. A Ukraine without four oblasts will still be a substantial pain as it will keep getting constant support from the West.
The best case scenario remains that Russia take all territory east of Dnieper river plus Odessa – that will neuter Ukraine for good – its industry, much of population will be severely depleted. If Russia is truly ‘winning the war’ – why is it not able to do that? Could someone please explain me…?

Posted by: Ak | Dec 11 2022 9:54 utc | 235

Posted by: Ak | Dec 11 2022 9:54 utc | 232
read the article. russia isn’t proceeding on your schedule.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2022 9:58 utc | 236

How uncanny that i was watching the Vlahos/McGregor interviews over breakfast, as i diverted here momentarily in between episodes.

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 11 2022 10:08 utc | 237

“Russia’s decision to link gold to oil could bring gold back as a settlement medium and increase its intrinsic value sharply… Banks active in the paper gold market would face a liquidity shortfall.”
Ghana has decided to pay for oil imports in gold.
Henceforth all companies mining gold in Ghana must sell 20% output to the Government for Cedi.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 11 2022 10:19 utc | 238

Over the last five months Latvia has hosted the Russian opposition TV station TVrain. It has now shot it down because TVrain, sending for a Russian audience, also had some positive things to say about Russia…What these anecdotes show is that NATO is slowly falling apart.

Not sure whether or not NATO is falling apart. Sure is that it covers countries going FULL NAZI. The punishment of people tuning in to Feindsenders is already reality in Latvia.
Meanwhile here in Germany they blame Siemens and Nokia on public TV, as recently seen in a left-leaning cabaret show, for delivering equipment which is used to censor the Internet by Iran. As if RT and others weren’t blocked in the EU, Assange was never prosecuted on false pretexts by Sweden and as if Latvia didn’t punish information access. (Twitter, Russiagate, other US instances of psyops not discussed here. The EU is enough to vomit all day.)
Sweep in front of your own house, you presstitute hypocrites! Remains to express my hope that this kind of double-morale Left will fall apart together with NATO.

Posted by: OttoE | Dec 11 2022 10:20 utc | 239

Wars are never won playing defensive
Field Marshall Prometheus Defiant has defined the whole situation to his satisfaction.
He never defines how “won” is defined, nor what “defensive” means so I assume he is a US Football coach.
It all depends what your aims are – whether you want territory or to eliminate manpower and capacity. Falkenhayn wanted to bleed the French at Verdun and his subordinates disobeyed and tried to seize the city instead – and the British diversion on The Somme – led to German disaster.
Since Russia has the strongest artillery component of any military power and did so in WWII also, it seems Surovikin has simply decided to use his strength to crush the forces dug into entrenched positions with no lines of retreat and no hope of advancing

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 11 2022 10:29 utc | 240

The incompetence goes on,
Russia have completely lost it, unable to stop ukrainian offensive for almost 5 months straight now!
And no winter offensive either as some Yes-men here fooled themselves with.
Ukraine shells holiday camp with US-made HIMARS – governor
At least a dozen people were injured or killed in Melitopol, Russia
https://swentr.site/russia/568031-melitopol-hotel-ukraine-himars/
Two houses destroyed, 20 damaged in Ukrainian HIMARS strike on Svatovo — LPR
https://tass.com/emergencies/1548995
Ukrainian army launches 20 Grad shells at Donetsk — DPR
https://tass.com/emergencies/1548993
Anyone remember the eletricty-sites attack by Russia past months LOL? They indeed had zero effect on the war obviously and now Norway will give 100 million USD to Ukraine too boosting the repair!
https://tass.com/world/1548979
No wonder Russia is the one whining about urging diplomacy…

Posted by: Zanon_-_ | Dec 11 2022 10:29 utc | 241

@ If Russia is truly ‘winning the war’ – why is it not able to do that? Could someone please explain me…?
Posted by: Ak | Dec 11 2022 9:54 utc | 232
I think the MoA article already explains this, but in summary, it appears the Russians have calculated that the risks of escalation far outweigh any good PR/satisfaction from a quicker and more decisive victory, for the following reasons:
– it would come at a higher cost, Russian casualties and equipment losses are best avoided
– it would raise the risk of escalation or Nato direct intervention
– the current numbers and rate of attrition are more favourable to Russia than Ukraine/Nato, so if ain’t broken, why fix it
– in case there ever was an escalation or Nato intervention, best it happens against a Nato that is more depleted and with less popular support in the West
– Russia is also winning the economic war, which directly and indirectly affects the ground war, possibly at an increasing rate as time goes on.
– the longer the war goes on, the more likely a defeat will be seen as such, as opposed to a Russian victory over the West. This is more likely to create the political conditions that Russia is seeking in the West, and reduce future animosity that could hamper negotiations.
Removal of sanctions and resumption of trade with Europe in still one of Russia’s key strategic objectives. Despite its contingency to divert to the East, over dependence on China is to be avoided, and Europe will always be right next door with existing infrastructure already invested in, it makes sense not to throw it away.
It’s also likely the 300,000 men are enough to stabilise the front, but perhaps not enough for a large and decisive victory across the whole of Ukraine, meaning the operation does not have a guaranteed success and a second mobilisation would be more likely, with all of its potential downsides, both political and economical.

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 11 2022 10:33 utc | 242

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 9:09 utc | 225
I’ve given my bonafides, regarding industrial mobilization.
I’ve run pipe at Moffet Field, as well.
I was working on hangars with Atlantis.

Ever heard of Dunning Kruger syndrome?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 10:50 utc | 243

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 8:45 utc | 221
None of these events constitute evidence.
What you’ve presented is the political equivalent of astrology.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 10:56 utc | 244

… HIMARS missiles with an increased range of up to 140 km …
Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:05 utc | 200

Slavyangrad won’t open in browser preview any more so I can’t check for more information myself. I’m wondering if this is a reference to the delivery of at least small quantities of GLSDB rounds for the HIMARS launcher vehicle?
https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/11/glsdb-ammunition-for-ukrainian-himars-rocket-launchers/
“… A HIMARS rocket launcher, such as those supplied to Ukraine by the U.S., when equipped with GLDSB ammunition, can engage targets at distances of up to 150 km …”

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 11 2022 10:56 utc | 245

Terse straight-talking …

Medvedev says enemy entrenched global wide, Russia boosting production of powerful weapons
MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. Russia is boosting the production of the most powerful weapons, including based on new physical principles, for countering Western countries that support Kiev’s regime, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel Sunday.
Our enemy is entrenched <…> in Europe, North America, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and a whole number of other places that have sworn allegiance to today’s Nazis. That is why we are boosting the production of the most powerful means of destruction, including those based on new principles,” he said.
The commentary is addressed to Ukraine’s Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Aleksey Danilov who said on Saturday that Kiev’s enemy was on the territory from the adjoined Donbass republics to Vladivostok.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 11:23 utc | 246

Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 8:45 utc | 221
February 4th 2022
Putin meets Xi in Beijing. Begs permission to show some muscle. Xi grants permission, after Putin assures him it will be a short and victorious war by superior Russian forces.
You were there taking notes then.
You are ridiculous.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 11:38 utc | 247

Everything you hear from the western msm is a outright lie.
“empty” shelves at a Russian grocery store.
Keep this mind when you are told by some that ukraine is “winning” this war.
https://tinyurl.com/4epdz2dd

Posted by: T.D. | Dec 11 2022 11:53 utc | 248

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 4:02 utc | 166
– The US has spent $68 Billion in 2022 alone, with a further 37 Billion requested. This is far more than the US has spent on the WoT in 2022. How are you getting to this conclusion?
News flash for people living under a rock – by 2022 the US has spent 8 trillion dollars on WoT. Far more spending per year than propping up the Ukraine war effort.
Obviously, in 2022 the WoT is winding down.
Running the Ukraine war is far cheaper – 60 something billion dollars spent by the US in this year. The additional 37 billion are for the next year.
– This excludes all aid from other NATO Countries, so a truly huge amount is being thrown into Ukraine to little effect.
They were also spending on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
Ukraine war spending is overall a joke compared to the money spent on WoT.
– This military aid has provided very little capability to the AFU, even the leadership of Ukraine admits this.
I would not call a capability causing far higher russian casualties per year than US casualties in Korea or Vietnam, a very little capability.
– Empirical evidence on the ground indicates this aid hasn’t achieved much, judging by the fact that the Russians are fighting on Ukrainian territory, not the other way around.
That does not say much considering that Russia is supposed to have the second most powerful army in the world. Plus US too fought in Vietnam, not on US territory. USSR in Afghanistan, not on USSR territory. And? That by itself is not enough for success.
– The fact that Russia now possess large chunks of Ukraine (including the Azov sea) shows that this aid really didn’t help much.
Russia was kicked out from various areas of Ukraine, the “large chunks” are just 15 % of Ukraine. The land bridge to Crimea is the bare minimum, just scraps.
It failed to liberate most russian speaking areas and iconic russian cities and left them to oppression. The Novorussia project is over.
– Nothing you’ve indicated suggests this.
Putin himself said recently that the war in Ukraine will continue for a long time.
– Which non-NATO countries can meet the military production needs of the kind of war Ukraine is waging?
This isn’t about a single country, this is about the totals. There is the US, there is the rest of NATO, there are those other countries close to the US, then there is the black market and all the other countries that may sell something for money.
– Japan ?? (do they even manufacture weapons?)
Obviously.
On the other non-NATO countries who will send weapons and ammo you can add Australia too.
– Chinese drones aren’t even a factor on the battlefield.
I heard that they are a factor by many, many russian sources.
– what happened to all those super-duper high tech drones provided by the USA, Britain, israel?
The chinese commercial drones are cheap, numerous and hard to shoot, since they are too small and fly at very low altitudes. Its expensive to use conventional AD on them. These are different classes of weapons.
Russian AD is good, but it also traditionally specialised on larger targets.
– You can’t make these random leaps without properly connecting the dots.
Its not a random leap, you need to form new armies in order to move from defense to offense and ultimately start retaking territories.
– The conclusion is clear: It’s a fact that the AFU is outgunned by the RF by almost an order of magnitude. The West cannot deliver the goods.
That is not needed to win a war, see Vietnam.
“more and more rounds of mobilization required to replace destroyed Ukrainian armies”
They can do that for a long time. Bodycounts alone do not guarantee winning a conflict, as per many conflicts in the world, who were lost regardless of bodycounts.
“more and more failed offensives launched and destroyed by the RF.”
They were pretty succesful in derailing the hopes for Novorussia or of landlocking Ukraine, plus getting even more access to the russian border regions.
– So, if you’re somehow using this as evidence of sufficient supplies from the West I’m afraid neither logic nor fact support you.
They had sufficient capability to kick out the russians from various areas of the country and inflict far bigger casualties on Russia than what americans suffered per year in Korea or Vietnam. Pretty good military performance by Ukraine if you ask me.
– The inability of the AFU to prevent a Russian invasion
The inability of Vietnam to prevent a US invasion. And?
– “Probably?” Neither Kharkov nor Kherson had anything to do with being overwhelmed by Western arms. Not in the least.
Kharkov had to do with newly formed and equipped forces overwhleming the russians in the area and forcing them to flee before it was too late.
Kherson had to do with Ukrainians seriously disrupting the russian resupply capability via long range weapons and ultimately pushing back the russians and the frontline dangerously close to ukrainain artillery control of the russian supply routes via the river.
– Just look at the current state of the AFU, Ukrainian infrastructure and economy and future prospects.
You don’t need that to win in a proxy conflict, see Vietnam.
– I mean, show me a single country on this planet (this century) that has managed to lop off the amount of land from a neighbour that Russia has in just 10 months?
Why this century? There were not many wars about taking neighbour’s territory in the 21st century. In the 20th the situation was far far different, though.
Plus the amount of the newly taken land in this war effort is a joke, some 100 000 square kilometers or 12 percent of the country, exluding the LDNR parts already liberated since long time ago in 2014. Even Strelkov did not believe that Russia would still be fighting in Marinka at the end of 2022, with fighting going on there since 2014. Putin’s incompetence can make even Strelkov look optimistic.
– The Ukrainians are not laughing.
– Not with their energy grid and economy almost gone.
Yeah, yeah. I heard the same about Korea and Vietnam too.
-There were no 40k russians getting killed anually (military plus civilian),
-There still aren’t. You are making things up. Please stop lying.
That were just numbers on the fly. And i think i got the combat casualties pretty close. After checking more carefully:
Rus military casualties (which does not include Rosguard, Volunteers, Wagner, Chechens, LDNR) were 6000 in September.
LDNR military casualties were nearly 7000 in October. LDNR civilian casualties were around 2000. I suppose there were also several thousand Rosguard, Volunteers, Wagner, and Chechens who have been killed. Maybe 3k.
That gives around 15-16k russian combatant casualties for 8 months. The total per year coud be close to 24k. The civilian casualties could be 3k per year. But there are also the civilian casualties from the non-LDNR areas, plus those killed in Russia proper, which can be another 3k, totaling 6k civilian casualties So i’m putting it at roughly 30k russian casualties per year.
– Wakey wakey, Rip van Winkle. There has been a war on the border for the last 8 years.
There was no war on Belgorod or Kursk regions and not so many russians dying overall, not to mention the money spent, so that is not the same.
– More people die in Russia from natural disasters in an average year than have died from Ukrainian retaliation in Russia.
Which does not mean that things can not escalate at any moment, at the request of “partners”. Having a long border with a hostile entity without a buffer zone is not a good idea.
– Seriously? You can’t see the logical fallacy you’re making here?
I do not see the amount of russian losses in Ukraine as a good thing, they are way higher than US casualties per year in Korea or Vietnam. For a proxy war conflict, that is a high cost to me. A 10 year proxy conflict could mean 250k russian combat casualties. Sorry, but that is too much for me. Big underperformance compared to what americans suffered in their proxy conflicts.

Posted by: ObseverBG | Dec 11 2022 12:22 utc | 249

A few Sunday thoughts …
1. The torrent of deliberate lies and pro-NATO propaganda continues from the BBC and MSM in UK.
As said in an earlier post – They are in danger of over-reaching themselves.
Much of the propaganda is so transparent that even the sheeple may begin to question its truth.
Propaganda does start to undermine logical thinking and develops a momentum of its own.
2. In another life I worked in the supply chain for UK and US Military procurement.
The M777 howitzer and the US and UK Navy were big parts of my working life.
Do not underestimate US military procurement.
They have deep pockets and the guys I dealt with were good engineers and very focused.
Their attitude was USA-First (and Fck everyone else) – – – True patriots !!
It’s true that de-industrialisation in the US is a serious issue.
However, there is still a lot of spare capacity out there.
Also – A lot of spare capacity in NATO partner countries.
3. It’s important to know where I’m coming from – I’m looking forward to Russian victory against Ukraine.
How they’ll dress it up in the “west”, I don’t know.
History will be on Russia’s side.
3. Thanks B. and MOA.
I’m only a recent arrival, but I’ve learned a lot.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Dec 11 2022 12:33 utc | 250

@ ObseverBG | Dec 11 2022 12:22 utc | 246
Respectfully, See: HTML Tags re numerous quotations, perchance use ’em, hm ?
Oh My Dog. Actually read it … words fail me …
Dunning-Kruger real world example ? 180 seconds of my remaining life span … wasted 🙁

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 12:45 utc | 251

Posted by: ObseverBG | Dec 11 2022 12:22 utc | 246
“I do not see the amount of russian losses in Ukraine as a good thing, they are way higher than US casualties per year in Korea or Vietnam. For a proxy war conflict, that is a high cost to me. A 10 year proxy conflict could mean 250k russian combat casualties. Sorry, but that is too much for me. Big underperformance compared to what americans suffered in their proxy conflicts.”
The RF is fighting the biggest, best equipped, best trained and best funded army in Europe. The US has thrown tens of billions of dollars into their little regime change venture. Considering the calibre of their enemy and the fact that the RF is actually fighting NATO I reckon they are doing OK.
But what you and I think is inconsequential. This will follow a meandering course to an inevitable conclusion.
Such is life.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 12:57 utc | 252

“The Dunning-Kruger Song”, from ‘The Incompetence Opera’. Youtube. Runtime: 2m57s

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 12:58 utc | 253

Don’t “onion” Ukrainians for they can take it as manual
https://t.me/Z_BOEV_LIST_Z/10325
Video: allegedly AFU’s tank with welded latches

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 11 2022 13:07 utc | 254

The RF is fighting the biggest, best equipped, best trained and best funded army in Europe. The US has thrown tens of billions of dollars into their little regime change venture. Considering the calibre of their enemy and the fact that the RF is actually fighting NATO I reckon they are doing OK.
But what you and I think is inconsequential. This will follow a meandering course to an inevitable conclusion.
Such is life.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 12:57 utc | 249

Russia is fighting the second Russian civil war.
It will be remembered that while the West armed the Fascists, all casualties were slavs (Rus) and therefore bled white the strength of the Rus nation.
The very fact it is happening is a victory for the Collective Waste and shame and sorrow for Russia. No wonder the Fascists send out first Russian speaking Ukrainians (i.e. Russians) into the meat grinder.
To the delight of the Euro-Anglo-American WEF watchers…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 11 2022 13:11 utc | 255

I think one of the issues here at MOA is that some posters have never been the victim in an abusive relationship with a sociopathic individual where you constantly walk on eggshells understanding that the slightest misstep will lead to a violent outburst that could take your life.
That is the reality of Russia and China. The West (including Ukraine) is the sociopathic boyfriend with a meth problem armed with nuclear weapons.
I see both countries calmly, firmly, quietly managing the SMO situation (and Taiwan) walking a tightrope between progress and going too fast which could incite the violent outburst they know the West is capable of. And when you add the financial and political challenges, it’s quite the minefield that Russia and China are walking through. Just like the battered spouse, they are trying to gently guide the environment to allow for a divorce where everyone walks away.
Hoping they have really good combat engineers to get them (and us) through the minefield without blowing everything up.

Posted by: mtw | Dec 11 2022 13:14 utc | 256

What if the Ukraine war was planned by China and Russia to draw down and weaken NATO as much as possible. Western military stocks and strategic oil reserves currently are near zero reserves before launching an embargo on Taiwan. Russia has moved bastion and s300/s400 systems to the islands near Japan.
I think the Pacific is where the real war kicks off with an embargo followed by a massive strike on western bases and ships. I think all the talk about Nuclear weapons is to get the west on record against their use. They think the US will deploy a tactical Nuck first if bases are being decimated. The west/US would be ostracized by the world for it.

Posted by: Peace | Dec 11 2022 13:19 utc | 257

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:13 utc | 203
The next developments are not too hard to imagine either. What’s going on today in Bakhmut that couldn’t conceivable be done by missiles & drones, with troops moving in only when the drone work is over?

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 11 2022 13:24 utc | 258

Thank you, b., for these three interview references.

Posted by: YesXorNo | Dec 11 2022 13:44 utc | 259

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2022 9:41 utc | 231
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Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 10:56 utc | 241
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Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 11:38 utc | 244
Oh, I freely admit that my timeline is nothing that would convict anybody. Though this place is full of even wilder conjencture, with much less hard facts.
Let’s just say that I find it highly curious that 2 of Russia’s biggest geopolitical moves in quite a while came fairly soon after Putin had met Xi.
So I will predict that the next big Russian move will also come after the meeting of China’s & Russia’s leaders. And I mean a major geopolitical one, not will the be a winter offensive or something else that is just a continuation of those decisions made earlier. Maybe the third time will get even more people wondering.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 13:49 utc | 260

@ mtw | Dec 11 2022 13:14 utc | 253
Well said, very much so indeed.
Though would elevate Psychopaths above Sociopaths, add in arch-Narcissists & then amoral obsequious/compromised/suborned minions/sycophants as public facing faux ‘leaders/politicians/agents’ too, thence downwards ho …
@ Peace | Dec 11 2022 13:19 utc | 254

What if the Ukraine war was planned by China and Russia to draw down and weaken NATO as much as possible.

Or ultimately bring down Empire … softly(?) … ideally avoiding an unfortunate Big-Bada-Boom ? Youtube. Runtime: 2m12s
See: Russian Military Reforms 2008 (Effected from 2009-2010 onwards), post Russian-Georgian 2008 War(US/NATO proxy), concurrent & subsequent development of RF-China (Iran & RoW) relations(Alliance), SCO (2005+), RIC(2007+), BRICS(2009+), OPEC+(2016+), etc …

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 14:02 utc | 261

“Ukraine a northern Somalia”
Yeah that’s what I fear badly. A regulated law-based Eastern Ukraine rebuilding itself under the Russian umbrella/shield. And in the West a stump-state where corruption is king where anything is for sale. A country in which the international aid for reconstruction will chronically “evaporate”.
In short a mix of Africa and Lebanon at the outskirts of Europe. A huge pimple on the skin of the EU that eventually will provoke a septic shock in the whole European organism?

Posted by: Nanker | Dec 11 2022 14:09 utc | 262

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 11 2022 13:49 utc | 260
Let’s just say that I find it highly curious that 2 of Russia’s biggest geopolitical moves in quite a while came fairly soon after Putin had met Xi.
Hard facts and logic!
Hard facts and logic!
I’d give my left nut!
For hard facts and logic!
If only, Membrum Virile,
You’d squirt some Hard
Facts, and logic …
but despite our tender
Ministrations You give us
Naught but …
speculations and illogic …
Poetry aside though, here’s the problem with your observation:
– Putin has been making major geo-political moves since he came on the scene 20 years ago and hasn’t stopped since.
– The most crucial political moves were made long before he ever established a peer relationship with Xi.
– Many of those major geopolitical moves required collaboration with states other than China.
– Yet there are no accusations of Putin perhaps being Trump’s puppet, or Erdogan’s puppet, or MBS’ puppet … ?
There is a more reasonable, more consistent and more demonstrable rationale’ for what you’re imagining though:
Putin must build consensus among key world leaders of the Global South, Xi being chief among them, China being an ally that is both at risk from a common enemy and one that shares a common political and development history.
Collaboration does not imply a master slave relationship. Except in the case of the EU/UK though, they’re clearly slaves of Uncle Sam.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 14:47 utc | 263

It looks as if the US are giving (and aiming, and perhaps firing) longer and longer range missiles to the bad people. Quite cunning in that Russia may have to take control of the whole place to prevent this, which I’m sure they don’t want to do.
At that point depopulation becomes more of an option, and the electricity strikes are a relatively painless way of doing this. If everyone leaves for Poland and points west, it will make life a lot easier for the RF. Still not at all nice, but better than America fighting to the last Ukrainian.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 11 2022 15:19 utc | 264

You’re arguments are pretty close to the money IMO. There won’t be a “massive offensive” or whatever and 300k reservists will enable rotating and supplementing the existing forces.
Reading combat reports, the artillery and CAS continues doing the job, they decimate attacks and also hit targets beyond the front lines, in secondary positions. Continuous operation of reconnaissance drones along and beyond the front is crucial to achieve this. The ukies more often than not, don’t get close to the lines. Even when they do they are already attrited or retreated to begin with.
Meanwhile ukie is lacking artillery, what fancy long range artillery they have from Nato they use for terror attacks on the cities in and around Donbass. But they have little in the way of hitting front line. Arestovich was quoted saying that Russians have 9:1 local artillery advantage around Bakhmut, and maybe even higher advantage in total theater of operations. Why fix it when it’s working?
According to Newatlas interview with Mark Sleboda ( youtube ending /watch?v=Ew6HVVGaa-U& ), Russia initially had only 2:1 arty advantage with ukie forces but now it can be 10 : 1. It’s a mixture of higher rate of destruction of ukie artillery and more reinforcement arty brought by the Russians.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 15:38 utc | 265

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 15:38 utc | 265
This was reply to Et Tu #242.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 15:39 utc | 266

To JustANaverick @ post #1
Fist off, congratulations on beating all the trolls to the punch!
Good on ya, mate!
Secondly, we must be related or connected on some deeper level.
You exposited my thoughts thoroughly and completely.
I have made several posts identical to this all over the Interwebs these past weeks.
So, Thank you and Bless you
As to Captain Obvious and others as to all the unemployed skilled workers and the vast untapped capacity here in the Empire of Sanctions, Lies, Chaos, Pedophilia and Satanism/Luciferianism —-
Get over it.
It ain’t gonna happen.
Ever.
Sorry to be “Debbie Downer”
Just my opinion, of course
I could be wrong
Blessings
Slava Russia
L

Posted by: Lauren Michele | Dec 11 2022 16:10 utc | 267

Dear Moon of Alabama, Thank you for citing our conversation. Much appreciated! Mike

Posted by: Michael Vlahos | Dec 11 2022 16:30 utc | 268

The new US Yellen-sanctions are supposed to be on those that will USE gold (and presumably gold-backed currencies) if originating from Russia.
Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 11 2022 9:28 utc | 231

Naturally gold, or other tangibles are favored over 0s and 1s on a bank ledger if you have a trade surplus and the issuer of the 0s and 1s shown to be willing to default on the agreement. Nations with a trade surplus were put on notice earlier this year.
Since direct trading using problematic gold is problematic unless the participants are in the same room, some form of fiat or contract must be used. There is a problem knowing what the future value of the asset will be.
The price of gold can not multiply significantly, relative to inflation. Almost 50% of the mined gold in the world is held in the form of jewelry and art objects, more than CBs and coins/bars combined. That creates a ceiling and floor for gold. If times get hard, people sell that stuff and usually at discount.
In 1918, Britain was faced with the problem of paying its war debts. One of the strategies was to sell gold sovereigns to the public. My grandfather, a loyal subject, bought some 1919 gold sovereigns. I still have them, but have no expectation they will ever be worth much more or less, relative to inflation, than they did in 1919.
So possibly we can agree gold is better than fiat, particularly when the fiat issuers are (politely) “not agreement capable”.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 16:32 utc | 269

This idea that the US can flip a switch and become an industrial nation nearly overnight is hilarious. We couldn’t even figure out how to make PPE during early Covid but next week we’ll start mass producing tanks and artillery shells? We haven’t been that country for 40 years and the destruction of that country was deliberate by politicians and finance capital. Neither of those classes have changed their ideas. And now there’s been four decades of eroded competence at doing what would be necessary to manage that kind of transition. Not to mention that neither the factories nor the products needed are at all comparable to the 1940’s.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 11 2022 16:42 utc | 270

@ captain obvious, construction is not the same as industrial production. If all the union labor in construction went to industrial production in factories, who’s left to do construction? And since you’re in the trades, you would know how hard it is to staff major construction projects, especially anything beyond simple commercial construction. I’m sure you know hard it is to hire a top notch welder these days. Industrial production doesn’t need plumbers and electricians so much as it needs millwrights, machinists, welders and industrial engineers. You gonna give up plumbing for the entry level UAW wage on a factory floor of $15/hr? You think Lockheed Martin is going to negatively affect their share price by hiring at $30?

Posted by: Lex | Dec 11 2022 16:58 utc | 271

I remain amazed by the number of people who think that wars are won by
1) having a bigger pile of engraved paper
2) by taking territory

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Dec 11 2022 17:01 utc | 272


Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 10 2022 22:51 utc | 97 Bakhmut. November 27, 2022, Posted on HalTurnerRadio’s website. Sometimes he has the goods…from Intel sources says he hmm maybe just maybe.
Assuming that you are not Turner himself, do not post anything from him. He’s a Federal agent.
Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Dec 11 2022 1:36 utc | 141

You sir dishonestly cheery picked my comment avoiding the fact that I questioned the report.
And, I am not he.
My visits to the Whiskey Bar began with Billmon.
Pray tell, who appointed you Censor-In-Chief? Suggest you read widely – everything – and just maybe you will connect the dots.

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 11 2022 17:05 utc | 273

An excellent sitrep. The site is a treasure of truth amongst a wasteland of msm propaganda. Many thanks.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Dec 11 2022 17:06 utc | 274

What if the Ukraine war was planned by China and Russia
Posted by: Peace | Dec 11 2022 13:19 utc | 257
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pull the other one, laddy

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 11 2022 17:13 utc | 275

I think Putin once believed in the whole Western thin. My evidence is here
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2018/06/20/yes-putin-once-dreamed-the-american-dream/
I believe that it was Libya that made him realise that that was impossible and it was then that I believe he and his team began preparing for the war. (Remember Ivanov? One of the Putin’s Team’s inner circle? Then went off the radar. Well, golly, look who’s here shaking Putin’s hand. https://youtu.be/Lv_xibIAyZc?t=13
That’s where he went. Notre also the sudden visibility of Medvedev: was his job to get the Russian economy sanction-proofed?)
Of course I don’t know but these are my deductions over a long observation.
As to Minsk, since Merkel’s statement, he has twice stated that he believed it. Maybe he’s just saying it but he does appear to be a guy who says what he believes to be true and keeps his mouth shut otherwise.

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Dec 11 2022 17:51 utc | 276

Thank you b, excellent

Posted by: Tard | Dec 11 2022 17:55 utc | 277

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Dec 11 2022 17:01 utc | 272

I remain amazed by the number of people who think that wars are won by
1) having a bigger pile of engraved paper
2) by taking territory

1) True, but wars could be lost by running out of engraved paper (or rendering them worthless).
2) Correct. It is the other way around: Territories are taken by winning the war.

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 11 2022 18:19 utc | 278

Posted by: Jacq | Dec 11 2022 3:13 utc | 158
Dmitry Orlov? I went to the Saker and that was the only one I found. Last article from him 2019

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 18:33 utc | 279

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 10 2022 22:51 utc | 98
The World Order is indeed changing. Does this mean that old farts like me will need to recast all those politically incorrect Polish jokes that may or may not actually have affected our attitudes as politically incorrect Ukrainian jokes (which I must confess is quite tempting in the current environment)?

Posted by: StirThePot | Dec 11 2022 19:13 utc | 280

@ObserverBG
Yet this “joke” is annihilating NATO faster than COVID in a nursery home and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. The 628th aid package, or whatever they are at today, makes the NATOstans poorer, angrier and pathetic.

Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 11 2022 19:27 utc | 281

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Dec 11 2022 3:24 utc | 161
Thank you for that. I found the article almost impossible for me to read – far too long, I couldn’t grasp the case that was being built I suppose.
In fact I don’t think it anywhere said it out clearly: ‘The Skripal thing was all BS’.
But that’s what I take it to mean, even to prove. So I’ve kept it.
Myself I’m convinced it was all BS by the farcical things here and there. By things such as ‘agent disappears in hours so you can’t know they died of it’ as against days later they found it in the blood. And stipulations that it is terribly, terribly toxic, but they lived anyway. And so on.
And the overall thing that gets me as as you mention: it is a forerunner, a sort of ‘proof of principle’, of the possibility of getting the public to swallow anything at all. Anything.
Which, of course, we saw in Covid to a breathtaking extent but now with Ukraine it’s just gobsmacking over the top incredible. A whole nation ignorant, and kept ignorant, of what really is happening and why, and suffering its way to ruin in order to support self imposed self damaging sanctions which don’t even have the merit of doing any harm where they are supposed to.
Yep, so that you for that. Good stuff.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 19:28 utc | 282

Posted by: Captain Obvious | Dec 11 2022 3:56 utc | 168
Ah, vindication. From an authoritative source. Must appreciated. Thank you, Captain. 🙂

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 19:39 utc | 283

Posted by: Orwellian Language | Dec 11 2022 1:17 utc | 137
This is well said. It is axiomatic in our world that ‘foreign aid’ is a scam. It is actually used often to literally enslave other populations.
This particular factor is surely of tremendous importance when comprehending this conflict but generally never gets a mention.
Well said. Good post.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 19:42 utc | 284

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:02 utc | 197
I have seen this. Looks very authentic. But I have found no other information. What is the back story? These are voluntary ‘kamikaze’ ?
Or this is some sort of punishment?
And how do they avoid being blown up in their tank as they approach Russian lines?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 20:17 utc | 285

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:02 utc | 197
I have seen these. But I find no more information. What is the back story?
These are voluntary kamikaze tanks? Does not seem so.
Then what are they? Punishments for some kind of ‘crime’ ?
And how do they manage to avoid being blown to bits as they approach the Russian lines?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 20:22 utc | 286

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 6:04 utc | 199
This sounds very serious and sensible, very encouraging.
Especially this bit:
We have solved the issue of strike drones, now we are solving the issue of a shortage of reconnaissance UAVs, and unmanned artillery fire correctors, which means we are doing everything to ensure that our guns fire at the enemy’s guns, positions, and armoured vehicles quickly and accurately. 
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen videos supposedly of victorious Russian engagement of the enemy armor only to see in fact an apparent wealth of missed opportunity.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 20:25 utc | 287

Ramping up war production can be simple or complicated depending…In WWII Ford Motor Company rapidly started building airplanes BUT Ford had already been in the airplane manufacturing business for 20 years. GM and Studebaker already made trucks so making more trucks wasn’t Rocket Science. The U.S. Military rejected the American Innovator’s invention of the sloped armor Tank, so he sold the design to the Soviet Union, hence the best tank in WWII – the Soviet T34. The Nuclear Bomb was many years in the making, with no absolute certainty that it would work.
So depending on what old Cold War Soviet factories that remained intact and carefully maintained in Eastern Europe, production of old, obsolete artillery might be possible. BUT that is highly unlikely.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 11 2022 20:42 utc | 288

Is this genuine?
“Dear Moon of Alabama, Thank you for citing our conversation. Much appreciated! Mike
Posted by: Michael Vlahos | Dec 11 2022 16:30 utc | 268”
If it is the real you, will you engage in some q&a?
Maybe directly with b? If not all of us?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 11 2022 20:59 utc | 289

Posted by: hankster | Dec 11 2022 9:37 utc | 232
the story is very intriguing but in fact that’s the same vid being shown every time…

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 21:46 utc | 290

Posted by: Ak | Dec 11 2022 9:54 utc | 235
You’re sure they’d keep getting support from the West? It gets repeated that the ‘support’ is in fact a drain: i.e. lend lease, i.e. deeper in debt, i.e. selling off the country.
They won’t keep lending once they reach the point where they see they’ll never be repaid. And if Russia simply keeps what it has now that point could be near or already arrived at – for what’s the productive potential of what’s left of Ukraine now?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 21:50 utc | 291

Wars are never won playing defensive
Yep, brings up the same points again: where/what is the real war? how do we define ‘won’ ?
I think it could be argued the real war has been won.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 21:58 utc | 292

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 11 2022 13:11 utc | 255
Yep. This is the point. Or A point. An important one. They should not be fighting at all.
The whole thing growing out of a philosophy of hate. Shows the terrible power of hate. One bad apple ruins the barrel. One small spark of virulent hate can spoil a whole nation.
It spreads. It is spreading now. No one has any idea how to stop that, I think. It never gets a mention.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 11 2022 22:12 utc | 293

“All leaders are poor wartime leaders.
What counts is who prevails in the end.”
Indeed. Here’s another take on that topic.
“Competence on the battlefield is a myth. The side which screws up next to last wins, it’s as simple as that.”
– fictional character Lord General Zyvan, The Traitor’s Hand (novel), the “Warhammer 40K” universe.

Posted by: TG | Dec 12 2022 0:23 utc | 294

abrogard | Dec 10 2022 23:19 utc | 105
Denazification. I doubt Russia ever intended what that’s taken as meaning/being now.
What?
No. Putin meant DENAZIFICATION
The Bandera worshiping, swastika-tattooed, NAZIS are an abomination to Russians who lost 27million in the Great Patriotic War.
How about less “interpretation” of what Putin “might have” “likely” or “probably” meant…. And more understanding of WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID.
And why.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 3:09 utc | 295

Patrick Armstrong | Dec 11 2022 17:51 utc | 276
Remember Ivanov? One of the Putin’s Team’s inner circle? Then went off the radar. Well, golly, look who’s here shaking Putin’s hand.
I do remember Ivan Ivanov. He was such a visible part of Team Putin. And then he “retired”. I wondered why or what was the background.
Ok.So. He went invisible to oversee/ midwife the hypersonics.
Thanks. Makes sense.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 3:34 utc | 296

Michael Vlahos | Dec 11 2022 16:30 utc | 268

Dear Moon of Alabama, Thank you for citing our conversation. Much appreciated! Mike

Just a barfly here… but thanks to you for the McGregor discussion.
I almost never allocate 3hrs to vid…. But your dialogue with Macgregor was worth it.
———
Macgregor and Berletic. And Mike at iEarlgrey.
After 10months of sloSMO, I’ve culled to these 3 as my “must watch list”.
Add an occasional serving of Christoforou // Mercouris and any of their possibly somewhat informed vids with guests.
No one knows anything with certainty, and multiple telegrams have as much “real” news as anywhere.
Analysis by Berletic and Macgregor, of the little that is known, is as good as we’ll get for now.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 3:52 utc | 297

The best string in here is “Global South” – the thought of Chechen and Tuvan warlords (e.g. Sergei Shoigu) looting and raping their way across Europe greatly excites BIPOCs.
Ukraine as slaughterhouse suits American power i.e. it hate, hate, hates Russians who are blamed for the pogroms, killing Trotsky, refuseniks, etc. Strip away the propaganda and highfalutin talk of “democracy” and vicious ethnic hatred, bad blood is all there is.
The Brittney Griner debacle shows America is not serious about winning this war. While Slavs fight on to demographic extinction, America’s ideology of Intersectionality is waging a culture war against Europe via operatives like Meghan Markle and Shaman Durek. America’s utopian vision is a world without whites, without heterosexuals, without sanity. A serious death cult. Jonestown on a geopolitical scale.

Posted by: Jensen | Dec 12 2022 4:00 utc | 298

The Russians do not need to attack…
Funny, that’s not what they – or you – were saying back in February.

Posted by: James Grip | Dec 12 2022 4:16 utc | 299

At the risk of comments being deleted or being banned by people who don’t want to deal with the truth. Which is what normally happens.
The elephant in the room that almost everyone ignores is the Jew component of the Ukraine war and the planet’s NATO problem.
It’s not a coincidence that over 80% of the planet’s Jews live in the US and occupied Palestine, including Israel. Roughly 40% in each area. And with those living in Canada, France and the UK it’s roughly 90%.
It’s also no coincidence that the planet outside of NATO is comparatively Jew free. Because they’ve figured out that the Jewish cabal, Judaism and Zionism are a net negative for their society. Almost all Jews, roughly 80% to 90%, are Israel firsters who will betray their birth land for their tribe and Zion. Which those in positions of power routinely do.
The war in Ukraine is directly related to the war in Syria and the plan for a local coalition with Russian support, including their nuclear deterrent, for clearing the IDF out of the West Bank, Golan and Sheeba. In compliance with and support of international law and relevant UN resolutions.
The Russian, Chinese, SCO, etc. alliance is a mitigation mechanism for countering the Jew world order hegemony drive that seeks to dominate and subjugate the planet. And the Ukraine war tragedy is an attempt by the JWO to forestall a Russian victory in Syria, a kinetic solution the the Jew problem in Palestine, and the end of the JWO global hegemony drive with the US as their bully boy and stalking horse.

Posted by: RichardD | Dec 12 2022 5:40 utc | 300