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December 31, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-237
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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By the end of 2023, the Ukrainian and the Western world will look very much different than it does at the beginning of 2023. Posted by: young | Dec 31 2022 16:38 utc | 1 Brovo Russia. Blow them to smithereens! What a gratifying ending and solid footing into 2023 Ukraine. Posted by: John2007 | Dec 31 2022 16:43 utc | 2 A Parallax View: The USA & Ukraine Posted by: Harry Hillman Chartr | Dec 31 2022 16:47 utc | 3 In 2023 we will reference the Ukraine conflict as
Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 31 2022 17:04 utc | 4 The expansion of Russian military indicates that Putin figures the conflict will not stop with Ukraine. Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 31 2022 17:24 utc | 5 @young | Dec 31 2022 16:38 utc | 1
I hope and believe so, as the current state of things is not ‘sustainable’. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2022 17:37 utc | 7 If anyone would know of where to find #Yuri with subtitles in English I would be extremely appreciative. 5 minutes of lucid, calm experienced analysis. I thank whomever pointed out that the originating Telegram site was IntelSlavaZ who seem to do less these days. Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 31 2022 17:40 utc | 8 @ james 6 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 31 2022 17:42 utc | 9 Great job President Putin. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 31 2022 17:51 utc | 10 We’ll all just have to wait and see, but, if the world wants real change, one things for sure. Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 31 2022 17:54 utc | 11 re Likklemore | Dec 31 2022 17:04 utc | 4 Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 31 2022 17:57 utc | 12 This guy here, had it right.. Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 31 2022 18:02 utc | 13 Link provided by Oriental Voice at 226 in yesterday’s Ukraine thread to Indian Punchline links to several important articles on developing geopolitical significance… Posted by: mjh | Dec 31 2022 18:18 utc | 15 Today, Putin went to the Southern Military District, but there’s really no info by way of the transcript; instead, you must watch the video (the last two minutes certainly) and IMO view photo #17. I’d very much like to know what Putin said to the assembled troops at the video’s end. If anyone can do a translation of that, I’d greatly appreciate that. I was impressed by the diversity of those being awarded. Her is link https://www.indianpunchline.com/author/inpunchline/ provided by Oriental Voice yesterday. Posted by: mjh | Dec 31 2022 18:20 utc | 17 @ 5 Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 31 2022 18:29 utc | 18 Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 31 2022 17:24 utc | 5:
I wish you would move up your timetable by at least a couple of years. 4-6 years is too long a time for the people in Ukraine and Taiwan to stay under exploitation by Nazis and Empire’s vassals. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 31 2022 18:42 utc | 19 Aristodemos notions Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 31 2022 18:43 utc | 20 Moon of Alabama ranks as my most appreciated news site. -b is phenomenal and the comments are mostly astute, literate, worth reading and capable of causing me to think or reflect. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 31 2022 18:44 utc | 21 A Russian Senator has put into words what many Russians think as RT reports:
IMO, the beginning of the combat phase of the war between NATO and Russia began with the 2014 Coup in Ukraine after what many now see as a false start in 2008. Dr K> I doubt very much that Brother Putin and his cohort were deceived, rather the “west” deceived itself into imagining they’d conned the Russian. It’s the old army game, after all… Posted by: Walter | Dec 31 2022 18:56 utc | 23 I don’t recall seeing anyone cite what Medvedev wrote on his telegram on the 28th, which given the existential circumstances Russia’s faced with I agree with:
Apparently, some Russian emigres have said or published something that Medvedev clearly deemed needed a response. I’m ignorant of that/those source(s), so if anyone has info, please share it! @10 Posted by: RealBeast | Dec 31 2022 19:05 utc | 25
How can we be so sure? Posted by: solo | Dec 31 2022 19:05 utc | 26 Walter @23– Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 31 2022 17:57 utc | 12 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 31 2022 19:19 utc | 28 According to both TASS and Sputnik, Putin has given his New Year address to the nation prior to the awards ceremony that was performed at the Southern Military District HQ:
I’m very surprised there’s no transcript at the Kremlin’s website. TASS‘s report is the most complete compared to the very sparse report by Sputnik while RT has zero mention of it. Barflies, Posted by: Exile | Dec 31 2022 19:33 utc | 30 Ukraine “kraken” claims a village in luhansk, North of kreminna looks like aimed at svatove. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 31 2022 19:35 utc | 31
I can agree with the first sentence, without nodding onto the second/third as much as the writer would want me to. I see the US-FPE as one component of an analysis, not necessarily overly constitutive in any instance. Also, for the recyclees of the Obama era empowered currently, it’s not necessarily IMO a decision to reverse an accelerating decline in perception, but perhaps something closer to M. Albright’s sentiment regarding using the military, when you have it. Posted by: Hidden Declination | Dec 31 2022 19:43 utc | 32 The war in Ukraine will continue as long as someone puts up the money for it, and expects to make a profit. Meanwhile on the ground people will die or be wounded, and civilians displaced and alienated. @25 Posted by: safe | Dec 31 2022 19:54 utc | 34 @ 22 Merkel’s confession
Macron spoke on and on about the rule of law, about environmental protection and recognition of the right to abortion, the singularity of this European democratic promise, being moved in the same way by the romantic spirit, by the works of Chopin and the texts of Pessoa, a universal climate conscience, the goal of carbon neutrality, transforming our industries, the duty to offer the African continent a new alliance, the Western Balkans, Europe and the United Kingdom also need to return to the path of trust, and Europe needs to build a collective security order on our continent.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 31 2022 19:56 utc | 35 @solo | Dec 31 2022 19:05 utc | 26
When you lose hundreds of soldiers every day and at an increasing rate, likewise with equipment, what is the alternative? Add to that the ‘west’ have no more to offer. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2022 19:57 utc | 36 Karlof1 @ 24: Posted by: Jen | Dec 31 2022 20:38 utc | 37 safe | Dec 31 2022 19:54 utc | 34
I listen only to Dima (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiHJNdohrHM). Everybody says he is the main expert on this war. And he talks about huge Ukrainian reserves. From here and there they managed to move this or that brigade. Posted by: solo | Dec 31 2022 20:51 utc | 39 reply to 26 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 31 2022 20:54 utc | 40 With the Poles entering the conflict and no possibility of closing off the borders for resupply there doesn’t seem to be decisive way out of this conflict. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Dec 31 2022 20:55 utc | 41
Such thing happened almost never in history in spite of tremendous KIA numbers. Posted by: solo | Dec 31 2022 21:02 utc | 42 Jen @37– Finally! Putin’s New Year Address:
@solo | Dec 31 2022 20:51 utc | 39
I don’t follow that site. Try The New Atlas or The Duran Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 31 2022 21:50 utc | 45 Political analyst Timur Fomenko writes in his op/ed at RT: ” @25 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 31 2022 22:00 utc | 47
Ukraine has already been defeated for months. It’s NATO in Ukraine uniform who’s currently getting clobbered on Ukraine soil at Bakhmut. Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 31 2022 22:10 utc | 48 Posted by: solo | Dec 31 2022 20:51 utc | 39 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 31 2022 22:15 utc | 49 Finally! Putin’s New Year Address: Posted by: Arioch | Dec 31 2022 22:23 utc | 50 Finally! Putin’s New Year Address: Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 31 2022 22:32 utc | 51 New Russian missile barrage occurring as I type this. Air raid sirens going off in every Ukrainian oblast, according to Big Serge and Russians With Attitude. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 31 2022 22:54 utc | 52 Keeping an eye on the ball (facts). Posted by: unimperator | Dec 31 2022 23:09 utc | 53 Dr K> I doubt very much that Brother Putin and his cohort were deceived, rather the “west” deceived itself into imagining they’d conned the Russian. It’s the old army game, after all… Posted by: Martina | Dec 31 2022 23:17 utc | 54 Ukraine is a symptom, not the cure…. @56. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 31 2022 23:31 utc | 56 Posted by: safe | Dec 31 2022 19:54 utc | 34 Putin has to (or had to) play along. The rest of the world had to see clearly what the west was doing, and without at least tacit support from the rest of the world the sanctions work. Westerners make the western mistake of believing this is all about them. It isn’t. It wasn’t just military prep since 2014, it was the Russian foreign service working its ass off everywhere. Posted by: Lex | Dec 31 2022 23:47 utc | 58 A few links from Big Serge’s Twitter account made me wonder. About Russian accounts that perhaps aren’t what they seem. Or maybe it’s just me. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 31 2022 23:49 utc | 59 @karlof1 | Dec 31 2022 21:30 utc | 44 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 31 2022 23:56 utc | 60 I get the impression that there is heavy drinking tonight – dont drink and post (from NY Post a trash paper) –
Its kind of humorous. Posted by: jared | Jan 1 2023 0:06 utc | 61 Something in Kiev is being hit again, apparently. Geran-2 at least and even rumors of Iskader’s. “Searchlights” going on to the sky looking to find the drones and shoot them down with machine guns. Again, NASAMS missiles falling on top of Kiev buildings with shoddy attempts of cover-up (picture of missile blurred, but forgot to remove the “LIFT” part from the picture). Posted by: unimperator | Jan 1 2023 0:08 utc | 62 «wishes for the speedy defeat of their Fatherland in the war, and often unpretentious dreams of destroying today’s Russia.» Posted by: Blissex | Jan 1 2023 0:12 utc | 63 This @Lex | Dec 31 2022 23:47 utc | 58 Posted by: Semyony | Jan 1 2023 0:15 utc | 64 I’ve heard that the Bradley is a piece of crap. Not much use in a real war. Ironically, it’s named after my ex sister in laws grandfather, General Omar Bradley. It is looking like the Plan for a New American Collapse (PNAC) is continuing apace. I think there will be many surprises and heartaches in the coming year. Happy New Year to all of the barflies and especially b. And may the bird of paradise fly up the asses of all the warmongers and trolls and nest in their bowels. Peace. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jan 1 2023 0:16 utc | 65 Is there an alternative to Military Summary Channel? @ Karlof1 44
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 1 2023 0:19 utc | 67
Thanks for such a comprehensive answer. Posted by: solo | Jan 1 2023 0:31 utc | 68 @ Lex | Dec 31 2022 23:47 utc | 58 Posted by: james | Jan 1 2023 0:36 utc | 69 @ 56 asked; “But, what, to put your faith into?” Posted by: vetinLA | Jan 1 2023 0:49 utc | 70 You do need faith, yes indeed. Ukraine has always been a part of Russia, just like Tibet has always belonged to China! The people must submit to their natural masters! These silly religious and superstitious people, they will soon submit to PRC materialism and serve the highest morality, obedience to the party. Happy New Year. Posted by: Ahole | Jan 1 2023 0:56 utc | 72 Mr. Ray McGovern, wrote this article at Antiwar.com and it’s featured at RonPaul Institute, December 30, 2022-
Nord Stream 2 was a partnership and 50% of the financing was from 5 major European Corporations: Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 1 2023 1:24 utc | 74 From someone on Twitter… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 1 2023 1:25 utc | 75 ‘The hardcore Putin supporters – a cult at this time.’ Posted by: Giyane | Jan 1 2023 1:36 utc | 76 Also some military base in Khmelnitsky hit yesterday with apparent effective results. Mind you, Khmelnitsky is 280km SW of Kiev so the ability to hit training grounds and reserves so far behind is impressive. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 1 2023 1:38 utc | 77 Holly shit as I’m about to sleep. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 1 2023 2:00 utc | 78 My New Year wish for 2023 is that Russia successfully wind up the Ukraine & NATO regimes (maybe a tad ambitious) and help set the world on its promising new path to a multipolar world. Posted by: digital dinosaur | Jan 1 2023 2:06 utc | 80 ….so looks like KYIVNIANS…did have once in theirs lifetime see spectacular RUSSIAN STYLE fireworks twitter – Posted by: james | Jan 1 2023 2:41 utc | 82 @ abrogard | Jan 1 2023 0:16 utc | 66 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 1 2023 2:51 utc | 83 In Putin’s speech he refers to both the Fatherland and the Motherland. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 1 2023 3:10 utc | 84 Stonebird @ 33 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 1 2023 3:20 utc | 85 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 1 2023 3:28 utc | 86 Posted by: solo | Dec 31 2022 20:51 utc | 39 Posted by: Drinky Crow | Jan 1 2023 3:37 utc | 87 piff paff Posted by: Macpott | Jan 1 2023 3:42 utc | 88 I don’t recall seeing this on moa, thought it was worth sharing. Kim Dotcom has the ability to explain complexities succinctly enough for practically anyone to understand. Posted by: lunarlaundromat | Jan 1 2023 3:45 utc | 89 Sorry, this is the better, unedited thread by Kim Dotcom: Posted by: lunarlaundromat | Jan 1 2023 4:04 utc | 90 @ Drinky Crow | Jan 1 2023 3:37 utc | 87 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 1 2023 4:22 utc | 91 Lots of people looking for good sites for information (including myself). Posted by: Drinky Crow | Jan 1 2023 3:37 utc | 87 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 1 2023 5:04 utc | 93 Posted by: abrogard | Jan 1 2023 4:40 utc | 92 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 1 2023 5:07 utc | 94 Sharing this with any acquaintances who are still sniffing the corporate media glue about Russia’s war effort, straight from the MoD: Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 1 2023 5:20 utc | 95 Macgregor over last few days. The first one is noticeable because he says anyone who thinks there won’t be a large Russian offensive at some point, if not immediately, is delusional as that’s the only way to finally destroy the Ukraine military. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 1 2023 5:40 utc | 96 For an average person like myself it is extremely painful to see and acknowledge the amount of suffering and bloodshed this conflict spreads around the world and especially on the battlefield where it rages out of proportion. It really breaks person’s heart to witness the scale of casualties inflicted on either side. All unnecessary deaths could have been avoided. Prosperity could have been spread further and wider. Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 1 2023 5:43 utc | 97 A new shipment of arms that will turn the tide of the conflict … Captagon included ?
So do you & your ‘Fellas’. 🙂 Drinky Crow #87 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 1 2023 6:44 utc | 99 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 1 2023 3:10 utc | 84 Posted by: hopehely | Jan 1 2023 7:02 utc | 100 |
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