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December 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-234
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 24 2022 23:06 utc | 99 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 23:15 utc | 101 This is not a joke or sarcastic or otherwise insincere question. I really wonder, want to know: Is Biden not the clown he’s made out to be and looks like? Could he really have spent hundreds of hours persuading people? He could be coherent that long? He has the mental capacity? Posted by: Michigan Dude | Dec 24 2022 23:29 utc | 102 Saw the other day Nancy Pelosi kiss the hand of Zelensky in Washington, it was a surreal moment, the embracing of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi’s is complete. Posted by: Michigan Dude | Dec 24 2022 23:34 utc | 103 Have posted the latest (Dec 24) machine translated Rus MoD briefing on bio weapons here. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 24 2022 23:37 utc | 104 Speaking of Ukraine scraping the bottom of the barrel re forcibly conscripted Volksturm …’human-sandbags’ …
@101 Richard Steven read my substack Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 24 2022 23:42 utc | 106 Not everyone is fond of the Ukrainian flag. Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but take 25 seconds to watch this clip from the Slovakia parliament (especially the end): Posted by: Grieved | Dec 24 2022 23:43 utc | 107 In Russian at RIA Novosti is a very powerful essay by Pyotr Akopov built on the shoulders of Putin’s latest two speeches, “Divide and Conquer: The West Is True to Itself”. This excerpt contains the essay’s thesis:
And the remaining body continues to justify that contention. And when I take the time to review much of what Putin has said over the year, Akopov is 100% correct. The aim by the Outlaw US Empire differs from the “Nationality Problem” from USSR days and has sought through the liberal 5th and 6th Columns to disunite Russia from inside itself. The debacle the author wants to prevent is a repetition of 17 February 1917, the “virus of February 17” as he puts it. IMO, he has nothing to fear as even from afar I can sense the unity of Russia for it exists across all generations and regions. Responsibility for that rests with Putin’s constant reiteration that the needs of the public must be addressed and the public must be listened and responded to by government. Russians must be shown that they matter by those they’ve chosen to govern and especially by those appointed so that they can do their utmost to contribute to strengthening Russia–all of that’s been forgotten by Neoliberal Parasites who view their citizenry as food for them, not the basis of their nation’s power. Anyone here come across an in depth analysis of the credibility of the Oryxspioenkop OSINT source? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 0:24 utc | 109 ” Saw the other day Nancy Pelosi kiss the hand of Zelensky in Washington, it was a surreal moment, the embracing of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi’s is complete. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 25 2022 0:24 utc | 110 ” Ukrainians have never been anything but criminals and white trash from the day they migrated there from wherever in human evolution. Can’t wait for the Russians to finish purging the last of you out of Ukraine into Europe Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 25 2022 0:27 utc | 111 OdessaConnected, When you call Neil Cavuto of Fox News a “libtard” you are revealing how little you know about American politics. I stopped reading your comment. Fox is reich-wing. Posted by: Bob In Portland | Dec 25 2022 0:34 utc | 112 Bill Quick @ 52 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 0:36 utc | 113 karlof1 | Dec 25 2022 0:12 utc | 108 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 25 2022 0:45 utc | 114 Fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force shot down a Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force near the village of Kamyshevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic. In addition, Ukrainian Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters were shot down near the settlements of Selidovo and Gruzskoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic. Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 25 2022 0:51 utc | 115 Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 0:24 utc | 109 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 25 2022 0:52 utc | 116 Kerensky @ 80 Posted by: arilstodemos | Dec 25 2022 0:58 utc | 117 A U.S. reporter, Michael Grimm, who was a marine and former New York congressman, and who embedded with the Ukrainian forces, said the Ukrainian army was much stronger (I think he was mainly talking about numbers) than the Russian forces. He said the Ukrainian forces are very motivated, determined and confident, while the Russian forces “don’t want to fight.” Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 25 2022 0:59 utc | 118 Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 25 2022 0:51 utc | 115 Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 25 2022 1:02 utc | 119 PeterAU1/12 22 24 23:37@104 Posted by: emersonreturn | Dec 25 2022 1:13 utc | 120 Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 25 2022 0:59 utc | 118
New here, I see. Go back over the last few months of threads, there’s lot of good analysis that puts the old “Russia lost ground” nonsense to rest. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 1:18 utc | 121 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 25 2022 0:52 utc | 116 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 1:20 utc | 122 Posted by: Grieved | Dec 24 2022 23:43 utc | 107 Posted by: daffyDuct | Dec 25 2022 1:22 utc | 123 “I’ve got to know exactly how they’re constructing their information.”—Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 1:20 utc | 122 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 1:41 utc | 124 Wishing all a happy solstice! As far as religious meaning goes; Make up your own, they did. Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 25 2022 1:55 utc | 125 Arch Bungle @ 109 Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 25 2022 2:04 utc | 126 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 1:41 utc | 124 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 2:05 utc | 127 Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 25 2022 2:04 utc | 126 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 2:12 utc | 128 Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 25 2022 1:55 utc | 125 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 2:12 utc | 129 Posted this on the wrong thread.. Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 25 2022 2:13 utc | 130 Arch Bungle@109…wait till they get around to reporting the total losses of civilian combat cars and trucks by each side? That should raise their credibility. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 25 2022 2:21 utc | 131 Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 1:20 utc | 122 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 25 2022 2:27 utc | 132 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 2:12 utc | 128 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 2:38 utc | 133 I follow some “OSINT” people (not Ukrainian-related) on Twitter because OSINT is related to infosec, which is my interest. Hackers use OSINT to dig up information on their targets – it’s a critical skill. One thing I’ve noticed is that OSINT people are very very good at digging up information. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 2:46 utc | 134 Re my previous post to the troll. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 2:59 utc | 135 “at least Russia” s/b “at least those Russia”… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 3:01 utc | 136
Posted by: ? | Dec 25 2022 3:04 utc | 137 Hardly. Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 25 2022 3:05 utc | 138 Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 25 2022 3:05 utc | 138 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 3:14 utc | 139 Accidentally posted before I intended to. I wanted to add this quote from the above article:
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 3:15 utc | 140 Public Nativity Scene in Ukraine’s Lvov Stars Biden and Nazi Collaborator Bandera [Sputnik]tps://sputniknews.com/20221224/ukraines-lvov-sets-up-public-nativity-scene-with-figures-of-biden-and-nazi-collaborant-bandera-1105752796.html
Ho.Ho.Ho. 🤮 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 3:32 utc | 141 @Bob In Portland | Dec 25 2022 0:34 utc | 112 Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 25 2022 3:35 utc | 142 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 23:01 utc | 98 ” Russia only committed ten-fifteen percent of its forces for the first ten months.” Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 25 2022 3:40 utc | 143 @ Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 3:14 utc | 139 and 140 with the recruitment of foreigners for empire military. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 25 2022 3:46 utc | 144 @ malenkov | Dec 24 2022 19:35 utc | 47 Posted by: james | Dec 25 2022 3:47 utc | 145
Posted by: ? | Dec 25 2022 3:55 utc | 147 arch @127 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 3:56 utc | 148 ” I’d add to that the number of Latinos who volunteered for the US Army during the Iraq war to get a green card – not because they were “fighting for America”. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 25 2022 3:59 utc | 149 Laurence @136 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 4:06 utc | 150 Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 25 2022 0:59 utc | 118 Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 25 2022 4:08 utc | 151 Hey `Arch’, Wanna do ps752? Know what “this” [‘🕶’]was? Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 4:15 utc | 152 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 4:06 utc | 150 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 25 2022 4:25 utc | 153 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 3:14 utc | 139 Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 25 2022 4:35 utc | 154 ? @147 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 4:35 utc | 155 Babel-17 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 25 2022 6:48 utc | 156 Saw the other day Nancy Pelosi kiss the hand of Zelensky in Washington, it was a surreal moment, the embracing of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi’s is complete. Posted by: blueswede | Dec 25 2022 6:54 utc | 157 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 4:35 utc | 155 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 7:47 utc | 158 See; Posted by: ftmntf | Dec 25 2022 8:24 utc | 159 Listening to Mercouris analyze Lt. Colonel Alex Vershinin’s recent article on the Ukraine war. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 8:28 utc | 160 @aristodemos | Dec 25 2022 0:36 utc | 114
I was thinking that the Blinken quote about leaving Afghanistan in a hurry last year was in preparation of the Ukraine they were planning and which started as the increased shelling of Donetsk in February 2022, before the SMO. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 25 2022 8:45 utc | 161 Speaking of which, Vershinin suggests that the Russian forces of 160,000 reserves will not be fully trained until March, so the probability of a major Russian offensive will be delayed until then at least. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 25 2022 8:47 utc | 162 Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 25 2022 6:48 utc | 157 Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 25 2022 8:49 utc | 163 @Norwegian | Dec 25 2022 8:45 utc | 162 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 25 2022 9:17 utc | 164 Posted by: Exile | Dec 24 2022 22:54 utc | 96 Translated from Russian FYI:
The administrators of districts will estimate a number of residents based on old data, knowing its inflated Posted by: rk | Dec 25 2022 9:57 utc | 167 Translated from Russian FYI, MOD Summary Dec25:
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Just like Russia China complains impotently as if its shocked by the US’s actions. Read some history China, maybe then you wont be so ” surprised “. Posted by: RB | Dec 25 2022 11:58 utc | 169 Three US M-777, one Polish Krab self propelled artillery, two Uragan MLRS and two Grad MLRS were hit. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 25 2022 13:00 utc | 170 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 25 2022 13:00 utc | 171 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 25 2022 13:01 utc | 171 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 25 2022 2:05 utc | 128 Douglas Macgregor: Russia pummels strategic targets in Ukraine Posted by: CM of Berlin | Dec 25 2022 13:30 utc | 173
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22387-stockholm-syndrome Posted by: jared | Dec 25 2022 13:50 utc | 174 Why doesn’t this young Ukrainian man’s day job require a uniform?
Posted by: too scents | Dec 25 2022 14:31 utc | 175 As it turns-out, the Great Reset really just means next World War. Posted by: jared | Dec 25 2022 14:35 utc | 176 Meaningful perspective from Dmitry Polyanskiy on Zelensky’s visit to Washington: Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 25 2022 15:38 utc | 177 Deplorable Commissar @79: “I meant purely food and medical aid.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 25 2022 16:01 utc | 178 indian punchline from today – Posted by: james | Dec 25 2022 16:49 utc | 179 The recent visit of Voldemart Zelensky to Washington DC is a fitting symbolic marriage of America and Ukraine, as these two countries share fundamental core values–and thus a perfect match made in Hell. Posted by: ak74 | Dec 25 2022 17:12 utc | 180 unimperator | Dec 25 2022 13:00 utc | 171 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 25 2022 18:12 utc | 181 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6Gw_gWp7w Posted by: Arioch | Dec 25 2022 18:16 utc | 182 «Population of Ukraine has been claimed at 40 for a long time now. That includes the 11-14 million in what is now Russia.» Posted by: Blissex | Dec 25 2022 18:32 utc | 183 Posted by: james | Dec 25 2022 16:49 utc | 181 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 25 2022 19:02 utc | 184 #Babel-17, #138 Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 25 2022 19:08 utc | 185 We hear above that Ukrainians are fighting to the mast man. Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 25 2022 19:15 utc | 186 Dima says that Russians cannot attack further near Bahmut as it is becoming suicidal operation for them. Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 25 2022 19:19 utc | 187 Et un Joyeux Noël à tous et toutes (sorry…no neutral pronoun in French ) Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 25 2022 20:08 utc | 188 For a moment, try to think like the NATO decision-makers. What matters and what doesn’t matter to them? It’s not the same things that matter to normal people! Let me point out several things: Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Dec 25 2022 20:13 utc | 189
I think this is the point. Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 25 2022 20:26 utc | 190 @ sln2002 | Dec 25 2022 20:08 utc | 190 Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 25 2022 20:33 utc | 191 Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 25 2022 19:15 utc | 188 Kerensky @192 Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Dec 25 2022 20:39 utc | 193 Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 25 2022 19:19 utc | 189 @ unimperator | Dec 25 2022 19:02 utc | 186 Posted by: james | Dec 25 2022 20:58 utc | 195 Dreisen report latest post, he did a rough calculation of Ukraine manpower situation. Since 2014, about 6 M people migrated from Ukraine, mostly looking for work. Excluding Russian controlled areas, about 5 M, so 2.5 M males. At least 40% are 30-35, so 1 M males prime age for military service, probably more, since the out migration trended young. Another analyst claimed Ukraine has 27M population in areas under its control. I’m no expert on demographics but missing 1M males of prime military age means that the bottom of the barrel has already been scraped, and the Ukrainian army cannot be maintained at current levels. Posted by: Mike R | Dec 25 2022 21:18 utc | 196 Below is the title and quote from a recent ZH posting
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 25 2022 21:43 utc | 197 Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 22:18 utc | 86 Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 25 2022 22:31 utc | 198 Ukraine claims (since Feb.24): Posted by: rockwool99 | Dec 25 2022 22:49 utc | 199 Posted by: Exile | Dec 24 2022 22:54 utc | 96 Posted by: Snowleopard | Dec 25 2022 23:01 utc | 200 |
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