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December 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-234

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Another good day for Russian Forces.
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1192673
Have a safe holiday b and everyone else

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 24 2022 13:03 utc | 1

The recent WaPo piece backed by the WSJ about munitions stocks come right out and say what people at the bar have been pointing out for quite a while and goes all the way back to the RUSI analysis in early summer. NATO is running out of the munitions to support Ukraine. A careful reading of Russian analysts suggests that Russia is now starting to feel a pinch too, but not as great and is ahead of the production curve relative to the west.
It was a barfly who did an estimate that the US had 2.7M artillery shells in stock. The congressional record records more than a million now sent to Ukraine. According to WaPo, the US can manufacture 14k/month (two days of current firing by Ukraine, which complains it’s terribly outgunned). The current trend lines are unsustainable for NATO. Unless, as some here claim, the US can snap it’s fingers and make industrial production increase by an order of magnitude, the US taps out in a matter of months. It won’t have a choice.
See Blinken’s statement about how the US had to leave Afghanistan to be able to support Ukraine. The overstretch is real. That means there’s no chance of supplying Ukraine and Taiwan or a serious engagement in Western Asia. Biden went all in on Ukraine and unless he gets real lucky, he’s likely to lose it all.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2

Translated from Russian FYI, MOD Summary Dec24:
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z)) (Open TG link)

Summary by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (24.12.2022)
The armed forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation.
◽️ In the Kupyansk direction, artillery strikes hit the manpower and military equipment of units of the 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade near the settlement of Petropavlovka and the 92nd AFU Mechanized Brigade near the settlement of Krakhmalne, Kharkiv region. Up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, four armored combat vehicles and two pickup trucks were destroyed.
◽️ In the Krasno-Limansk direction, Russian air strikes and artillery fire on the positions of units of the 111th Territorial Defense Brigade near the settlement of Torskoye and the 25th AFU Airborne Brigade near the settlement of Terny in the Donetsk People’s Republic destroyed over 40 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored combat vehicles and four vehicles.
◽️ In the Donetsk direction, Russian troops destroyed a combined tactical group of foreign mercenaries and defeated units of the 10th AFU Mountain Assault Brigade near the Razdolovka settlement of the Donetsk People’s Republic during the offensive. The enemy’s irretrievable losses in this direction during the day amounted to 60 Ukrainian servicemen and mercenaries, four armored personnel carriers and three pickup trucks.
◽️ In the South Donets direction, army air and artillery strikes on the concentration of units of the 92nd AFU Mechanized Brigade near the settlement of Vodyane in the Donetsk People’s Republic destroyed over 40 Ukrainian servicemen, four armored combat vehicles and six vehicles.
💥 Rocket and artillery forces of the Russian group of troops hit: the command post of the 65th mechanized brigade of the AFU in the area of the locality of Lezhino and a warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons near the locality of Novoselovka, Zaporozhye region, as well as 53 artillery units, live personnel and military equipment in 92 areas.
✈️ Fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force shot down a Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force near the village of Kamyshevka in the Donetsk People’s Republic. In addition, Ukrainian Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters were shot down near the settlements of Selidovo and Gruzskoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic.
💥 Russian anti-aircraft defense forces shot down an Mi-8 helicopter of Ukrainian air forces near Kirovo settlement of Donetsk People’s Republic. Also during the day, fifteen Ukrainian drones were intercepted in the areas of Egorivka, Yelenovka, Kirillovka, Volodino, Artemovsk and Olhinka settlements of Donetsk People’s Republic, Kolomiychikha of Luhansk People’s Republic, Novaya Zburyevka of Kherson region and Polohy of Zaporizhia region.
📊 In total, since the beginning of the special military operation destroyed ((+?) over preceding 24hrs):
– 352(+) aircraft,
– 192(+3) helicopters,
– 2,719(+15) unmanned aerial vehicles,
– 399 anti-aircraft missile systems,
– 7222(+15) tanks and other armored combat vehicles,
– 936 combat vehicles of multiple rocket launchers,
– 3,704(+2) field artillery guns and mortars,
– 7,737(+15) pieces of special military automotive equipment.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 13:20 utc | 3

the zelensky visit to DC reminded me of the scene in The Pelopenisian War where the Athenian Assembly brays for total war and ends up funding a fleet to attack Syracuse.

Posted by: exile | Dec 24 2022 13:39 utc | 4

thanks for info and comments Can you reference the blinken commnent about ” leaving Afganistan to support Ukraine war” very important reveal. thanks

Posted by: brian j shore | Dec 24 2022 13:52 utc | 5

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2
statement about how the US had to leave Afghanistan to be able to support Ukraine.
The overstretch is real.
First is like usa explaining in 1945 how they cleverly manipulated ussr to fight and defeat Germany so they could save forces to fight the Korean war 5 years later.
CYA, nothing more.
Second part is more believable.

Posted by: Battenmountain | Dec 24 2022 14:18 utc | 7

Aside from the Indian wars, which lasted from about 1607 to 1918, America’s longest war is Somalia, which is presently completing its 30th year.

Posted by: bob sykes | Dec 24 2022 14:40 utc | 8

statement about how the US had to leave Afghanistan to be able to support Ukraine.
I didn’t hear Putin stating that RF is leaving Syria to support Donbass.
Didn’t Obama called RF a ‘regional power’?

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 24 2022 14:41 utc | 9

Saw the other day Nancy Pelosi kiss the hand of Zelensky in Washington, it was a surreal moment, the embracing of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi’s is complete.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 14:50 utc | 10

Posted by: bobzibub | Dec 24 2022 14:07 utc | 6
Agreed. I’m not suggesting that leaving Afghanistan was part of the plan, only that Blinken was accidentally speaking the truth that US military power is not limitless.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 14:53 utc | 11

See Blinken’s statement about how the US had to leave Afghanistan to be able to support Ukraine. The overstretch is real. That means there’s no chance of supplying Ukraine and Taiwan or a serious engagement in Western Asia. Biden went all in on Ukraine and unless he gets real lucky, he’s likely to lose it all.
Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2

Another obvious lie from the team of “Lie, Cheat, Steal”. At the time they said they left because they were 100% confident that the military and government structures they had put in place were well positioned to control the country and keep the Taliban out.
Of course they might have been lying then too.
So much revisionist history happening in such short cycles now.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 15:01 utc | 12

@ Lex #2

A careful reading of Russian analysts suggests that Russia is now starting to feel a pinch too…

Russia is not starting to feel any kind of a pinch. They are still trying to use up their 40-year-old stocks. They haven’t even started with the more recent stuff yet.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Dec 24 2022 15:14 utc | 13

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2
“Currently, Ukrainian forces are firing 2,000 to 4,000 artillery shells a day” from here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html#:~:text=Currently%2C%20Ukrainian%20forces%20are%20firing,as%20far%20or%20as%20accurately.
Using 3,000 a day, 14,000 would be 4 2/3 days. The US manufacture of these rounds should be up to 20,000 a month early in the new year. Okay, 2 extra days worth 🙂 Remember the US bought 100,000 155mm rounds from South Korea, which also makes them. In addition, a number of countries like the UK and Sweden have stepped up the manufacture of 155mm shells. Rheinmetall, in Australia started making 155mm rounds in August of this year. There is talk about Canada making some. In total, a reasonable number (but clearly short of the requested amount) of 155mm shells can be cobbled together every month.
As to the 2.7 million number, some sources say that was after the 1 million rounds went to Ukraine. In addition, US has another million or so 155mm cluster rounds that are slowly being de-milled. Ukraine has asked for these but so far the US has not agreed to send them.
Keep in mind that Ukraine is still firing 152mm and 122mm rounds. Several countries in Eastern Europe have restarted making these rounds. The UK and US have also sourced these rounds from a number of Asian countries like Pakistan.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 15:39 utc | 14

“Biden went all in on Ukraine and unless he gets real lucky, he’s likely to lose it all”
That’s my guessing too : Murica is about to do the geopolitical “hat trick”, 3 defeats in 3 confrontations (Iraq Afghanistan Ukraine).
What’s funny (crazy actually) is that the Neocons thought sth like :
“OK we lost against a bunch of guys in sandals with no air support or artillerie but this time in Ukraine we gonna win big against an army which has redoutable air support and artillerie!! Murica fuck yeah!!!”.
2023 : the year when Uncle sam has no clothes…

Posted by: Nanker | Dec 24 2022 15:42 utc | 15

Morocco choose sides, supplies T-72B tanks to Ukraine
So we have as parties in this deal:
– Morocco
– the United States
– the Netherlands
– Czech Republic
– Ukraine
This conflict is pulling in an ever-increasing number of countries. There’s a good chance this blows up in our faces.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 24 2022 15:47 utc | 16

Posted by: exile | Dec 24 2022 13:39 utc | 4
Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2
the zelensky visit to DC reminded me of the scene in The Pelopenisian War where the Athenian Assembly brays for total war and ends up funding a fleet to attack Syracuse.
and
Biden went all in on Ukraine and unless he gets real lucky, he’s likely to lose it all.
Yep, and lost it all, whole empire gone.
Re: US losing in Afghanistan?
It was predicted by many and it happened within less than three or so years. All the time was spent wasting and making money , blocking Chinese/Russian gaslines and getting promotions for fat and stupid officers.
The US controlled nothing but a few cities within years of invading. For the last ten or so , they only controlled the capital Kabul and Bagram Airport. That is not called winning. Their chief Afghan chimpanzee ,who became an authority figure in US-occupied Afghanistan , was on record -in better times-for gloatingly laughing that the Russian -supported Afghan gov lasted only three YEARS once the Russians left. The US -supported gov lasted much less than three WEEKS…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 24 2022 15:48 utc | 17

an excellent piece from Caitlin Johnstone . . .
The Claim That The Ukraine War Advances US Interests Discredits The Claim That It’s “Unprovoked”

. . .There’s a viral thread making the rounds on Twitter right now by a historian named Brett Devereaux that exemplifies this perfectly. In the first tweet in the thread he’s enthusing about how “for just 5% of the US military budget, we’ve disabled 50% of Russia’s military power,” then in the very next post in the thread he’s weeping about what a humanitarian crisis the war is and how we just want peace, and then in the very next post after that he’s saying “from a pure realpolitik perspective, Putin’s war was a massive blunder that has strengthened the US global position, degrading Russian capabilities (which frees up resources for other threats) and strengthening our alliances.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 24 2022 15:49 utc | 18

Libertarian Institute reports on Morroco selling 90 T-72B Main Battle Tanks to US and Netherlands to send to 404 for $95 million:
Morocco to Sell US Over 100 Tanks for Ukraine After Secret Negotiations
Report claims first 5 tanks go out next week, with upgrades done by Czechs.
“Morocco buys 91% of its arms from American suppliers, and Washington is a key backer of Rabat’s claim over Western Sahara….Morocco’s claim to the disputed region has caused friction with its neighbor, Algeria. Rabat believes Algiers has strengthened ties with Moscow in recent months, and reportedly agreed to sell tanks bound for Ukraine as a way to spite Russia.”

Posted by: Peter | Dec 24 2022 15:52 utc | 19

Sorry, Passerby @16, didn’t see your post…

Posted by: Peter | Dec 24 2022 15:54 utc | 20

Not much different is happening in Eastern Ukraine — it might seem. After all, the ground will not be suitable for armor until early January, which is also about the time that the 100,000 combat troops undergoing training behind the front lines in Ukraine finish working up and equipping. Still, the UAF is losing hundreds of men a day, the RF very few. And logistical support is continuously degraded. Early next year, you will see a “tipping point”. When the end comes, it may come faster than you expect. Make no mistake, this is the Endgame for Ukraine. Although just the beginning of a new game for Europe and the US. Many thanks to MoA and the “barflies” who continue to inspire as here:
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/ukraine-endgame

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 24 2022 15:56 utc | 21

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 24 2022 15:47 utc | 16
I forgot to mention one other country making 155mm rounds and your comment about Morocco, reminded me. South Africa is making 155mm rounds for a “NATO” customer. The contract started back in July of this year.
https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/rheinmetall-supplying-155mm-artillery-ammunition-in-the-upper-two-digit-million-euro-range/
Interestingly some of those rounds are reported to have 76km range.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 15:59 utc | 22

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2
Assuming they can be manufactured in sufficient quantities, it looks like UA will be supplied with M1156 PGK (Precision Guidance Kit) to retrofit standard artillery shells with sat / inertial guidance, comparable to M982 Excalibur, so UA *should* be able to get far more effect from what shells it does receive.
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-to-receive-new-precision-guided-155-mm-artillery-rounds-from-usa/
Even this is a stopgap, to get the most out of existing artillery inventory, production and designs. Rocket artillery easily out-ranges gun artillery, is more stealthy when firing and has far greater warhead / tactical flexibility.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/11/29/ukraine-first-operator-precision-bomb/
For gun artillery, smoke ‘em if you’ve got ‘em but don’t bet that farm on ‘em.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 24 2022 16:18 utc | 23

Posted by: Peter | Dec 24 2022 15:54 utc | 20
No problem.
The US does not know what hornet nest it has kicked. The US will make deals, call in debts, ask favors – and at the end of the road the United States will be only a shadow of itself.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 24 2022 16:19 utc | 24

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 24 2022 15:56 utc | 21 Russian losses: “if only because the Russians have no way of hiding the truth about their losses – which, fortunately for them, were only about 6000 KIA as of September and perhaps 7000 now – wounded at about 10:1”
Seems low considering this https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-63917502 (As of December 9th, slightly over 10,000 confirmed death reports, showing Russians soldiers killed in Ukraine.) Doesn’t count LPR or DPR soldiers.
“10:1 ratio” In the article: “reducing the survival rate (probably) to just 2: 1 or 3:1, meaning that while only one out of ten Russian soldiers die as a result, 3 to 5 UAF soldiers will die after the fact.”
I don’t think you are using that ratio in the way it is commonly used.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 16:20 utc | 25

It’s a missile/drone world and everything else is obsolete, including aircraft carriers, manned aircraft, artillery. . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 24 2022 16:23 utc | 26

@ Passerby | Dec 24 2022 16:19 utc | 24
The US does not know what hornet nest it has kicked. The US will make deals, call in debts, ask favors – and at the end of the road the United States will be only a shadow of itself.
Yes, those international problems PLUS a vast array of domestic problems where real national power fails.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 24 2022 16:28 utc | 27

Fox News Libtard Neil Cavuto had a segment that included a video supplied by Zelensky of Russian shelling of Kherson. It was then explained that Putin is a terrorist who just kills for no reason, just to be killing innocent people not connected to the military.
Ok, so when are we going to get any news about the killing of over 14,000 civilians in the Donbass, and how the shelling and killing has been increasing? It’s hard for me to understand why Russia can’t drop their version of the MOAB on Avdiivka or any other fortified area that is shelling downtown Donetsk and surrounding areas. It seems like this could or should have been done a long time ago. What’s the delay? Anyone know?

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 16:30 utc | 28

Merry Christmas!!!
from GREECE!!!
may all of you be well!!!

Posted by: Athanasios | Dec 24 2022 16:37 utc | 29

@ Passerby | Dec 24 2022 15:47 utc | 16
its all about the money.. war is about making a shit ton of money and many will be attracted to it..

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 16:43 utc | 30

@ OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 16:30 utc | 28
one country maintaining international law and another one isn’t…

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 16:45 utc | 31

mostly about germany and china dynamics in regards the war in ukraine and etc.. from indian punchline.. it seems germany might be finally smelling the roses, as opposed to having its head pushed into the shit that usa likes to feed it..
A German-China-Russia triangle on Ukraine

Posted by: james | Dec 24 2022 16:59 utc | 32

@ Passerby | Dec 24 2022 15:47 utc | 16
Supplied 5 at a time after the mothballed derelicts are refurbished/re-manufactured in batches …
Back when AFU still had MBTs in any quantity, & trained crews for ’em, they lost minimum 2-3 per day … so ~100 old T-72Bs is about ~30-45 days worth best case, discounting further unsupported AFU suicidal PR localized offensives.
@ Troll | Dec 24 2022 15:39 utc | 14
Just ’cause you repeatedly repost with minor variations does not make your claims true.
Why don’t you claim only 1,000/day, or 100/day ?
AFU required consumption, therefore daily supply, is minimum ~6,000-7,000+/day. Is getting tiresome. Perhaps you should stop, hm ? Of course as evermore AFU tube & rocket arty is destroyed & not replaced that figure will drop further.

Inside the monumental, stop-start effort to arm Ukraine WaPo Dec232022
The U.S. supply of weapons has never been enough for Kyiv.

But the initial war supply operation clearly wasn’t built for the long haul. As the grueling conflict continues with no end in sight, it has exposed flaws in U.S. strategic planning for its own future battles, and revealed significant gaps in the American and NATO defense industrial base. Stocks of many key weapons and munitions are near exhaustion, and wait times for new production of missiles stretches for months and, in some cases, years.

Shells for Ukraine’s old Soviet systems are no longer produced in mass quantities, and acquiring them abroad is unpredictable. Arms brokers representing Ukraine and Russia compete to outbid each other for the little remaining stock.
A reporter traveling near the front lines outside of Kherson this fall found one Ukrainian soldier nervously awaiting delivery of more ammunition for a Soviet-era artillery piece that was older than he was. The 40 or so shells rolling around in the back of a truck were all he had left, said the 25-year-old platoon commander in Ukraine’s 59th Motorized Brigade who asked to be identified by his call sign, Vognyk. Some soldiers in his unit had driven north to pick up some more they were told had been left behind by retreating Russian soldiers near Kharkiv.
“There is always a shortage,” Vognyk said. “We just have to wait for a good target before we use anything.” He was still awaiting his turn for training on the M777.

With the volume of aid have come questions about how long such effort and expense can be sustained in a time of global economic pain. Biden has committed more than $20 billion worth of weapons into Ukraine, $14 billion of it in drawdowns from Pentagon weapons stocks, and $6 billion in new weapons production contracts.

A nonnuclear war with China, or even directly with Russia, is likely to require a steady, long-term stream of the kind of equipment that is now in short supply.
A conventional war … is an industrial war,” said Seth Jones, a former adviser to U.S. Special Forces who now heads the International Security Program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). There are “serious challenges” to current supplies in the U.S. arsenal, he said. “We are really low … and we’re not even fighting.”
An upcoming CSIS report on American readiness, Jones said, concludes that “the U.S. defense industrial base is in pretty poor shape right now. If you identify China as the ‘pacing’ threat, and an ‘acute’ threat from Russia, we don’t make it past four or five days in a war game before we run out of precision missiles.”

Stinger production lines had long since been closed down. The first two of eight promised NASAMS have recently arrived in Ukraine, but the other six have yet to be manufactured and delivery could take up to two years.

A shortage of artillery ammunition of all sorts remains a weakness. Although production increases are planned, the U.S. defense industry can presently build about 14,000 155 mm howitzer rounds per month, Army Secretary Christine Wormuth said in an interview. According to U.S. defense officials, Ukrainian forces have fired that amount in two days during periods of heavy fighting.

Germany has promised to supply Ukraine with four IRIS-T systems … But only one has been sent so far; the others are still on production lines.

@ Troll | Dec 24 2022 15:59 utc | 22
Unknown quantity, yet:

Delivery will take place over the next two years.

Customer better be patient.
@ Troll | Dec 24 2022 16:20 utc | 25
MI6-BBC as a ref re RF casualties ? LOL.
JulianMacfarlane, given his history, experience & demonstrable knowledge understands far better than you re WIA:KIA ratios.
You are at least consistent.
@ Don Bacon | Dec 24 2022 16:23 utc | 26

It’s a missile/drone world and everything else is obsolete, including aircraft carriers, manned aircraft, artillery

Laughable.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:10 utc | 33

@16 Algeria is russian friendly, and morrocos enemy. That’s why Morocco sent it to Ukraine

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 24 2022 17:17 utc | 34

Translated from Russian FYI:
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z)) (Open TG link)(Referenced Map – https://rybar.ru/piwigo/i.php?/upload/2022/12/24/20221224093914-817698d2-xx.jpg )

About the nighttime UAV attack on Crimea
On the night of December 23-24, the Ukrainian command resumed attempts to strike Russian targets on the territory of the Crimean peninsula after a brief pause due to unfavorable weather conditions.
🔻 Chronology of events:
▪️Seven Chinese Mugin-5 commercial drones took off from the international airport in Odessa around 7:30 to 8 p.m. and headed toward Crimea at predetermined coordinates.
A couple of hours later they approached the peninsula from the side of Bakalskaya spit in Razdolnenskiy district. Five of them were shot down by S-300 surface-to-air missile systems and Pantsir-S1 SAMs over the waters of the Karkinit Gulf.
▪️The other two headed along the route established earlier, which allowed to some extent avoiding the impact of REB means: one flew towards Dzhankoy, the other towards Simferopol.
▪️ As a result, both were shot down by Russian servicemen around 01:00 – 02:00 on 24 December. One attempted to hit an oil depot near Nizhnegorskoye, while the other intended to hit the Tavricheskaya TPP near the administrative center of the republic.
🔻What was the result?
Air defense units in Crimea took into account the previous experience of AFU strikes to prepare for subsequent ones: none of the drones reached their target.
Moreover, the AFU conducted the attack without the characteristic feature of all previous attempts – there were no NATO reconnaissance aircraft or UAVs in the air. Probably, the AFU understood that the presence of a conditional Global Hawk or RC-135 was too remarkable and tried to use the effect of surprise.
At the same time, it is quite possible that the Bayraktar from Odessa could be used to track Russian air defense activities. All the more, the cameras installed on it allow reconnaissance at a great distance, as it was in the summer on the Snake.
🔻The increased role of unmanned aerial vehicles has expanded considerably with the beginning of the USO. Now, in addition to military developments, commercial UAVs are actively used, “artisanally” equipping them with the necessary weapons.
Such reconnaissance strike vehicles have a great potential in operation due to their extremely low price, ease of maintenance and high-quality camera. The AFU is using them by the dozens almost every day without much concern for losses.
The cost of one Mugin-5 UAV, which is freely available, does not exceed ten thousand dollars, which is much less than the cost of production of anti-aircraft missiles for modern air defense systems.
Therefore, the Ukrainian command will continue to attempt strikes against Crimea using these simple but dangerous systems. There will be changes in tactics, numbers, and the nature of the use of drones. And one should be fully prepared for this.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:59 utc | 35

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:59 utc | 35

Translated from Russian FYI:
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z))

Перехват (perehvat) means intercept: Pere=over/trans, hvat=grip/catch

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 24 2022 18:19 utc | 36

Translated from Russian FYI:
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z)) (Open TG link)

Ukrainian Armed Forces retreat to the outskirts of Marinka with heavy losses: details
Since December 20, units of the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU, occupying positions in the western part of the city, have suffered major losses in Marinka.
During the counter-battery fight, the howitzer artillery division of the AFU with D-30 guns of 122 mm caliber was seriously damaged.
According to the Military Chronicle, serious losses were recorded in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th airborne assault battalions of the 79th AFU Brigade, reconnaissance and tank companies of the AFU.
The number of killed and seriously wounded in these units since December 15 is estimated at between 350 and 460 people. Due to the serious losses, the brigade urgently had to be reinforced with mobilized from the Mykolaiv and Kherson regions, and a security company and engineering units reclassified as assault troops had to be sent to the line of battle.
According to the Military Chronicle, the key reason for the large losses of the AFU in Marinka was the activity of artillery and armored vehicles of the Russian Armed Forces. T-72B3 tanks move quickly to the western outskirts of the city with the support of drones, which allows the crews to reconnoiter dangerous positions and fire on firing points in buildings with minimal risk.
According to radio intercepts by the AFU, units of the 79th DShB recorded a shortage of communication and surveillance equipment, ammunition for machine guns and machine guns and wound dressing supplies, as well as quadcopters, which were used for reconnaissance of AFU positions. Also, AFU units complain of an acute shortage of anti-tank weapons – there is a shortage of grenade launchers and ammunition for them.
Because of the rapidly deteriorating tactical situation, since the evening of December 23, the AFU has been accumulating its remaining forces on the western outskirts of Marinka in the area of Shakhtyorskaya and Poligraphicheskaya streets, where the field headquarters is gradually being moved from the central fortified area.
In the event of a failure at the last line of defense, Ukrainian army units plan to retreat to reserve positions to the fortified area near the Marinka Dam, where BM-21 Grad batteries were previously stationed. However, in this case control over the city will be permanently lost.

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Translated from Russian FYI:
Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны (Operation Z: Russian Spring Warcasters) (Open TG link)
(Three(3) referenced zoom-able tactical Situ maps)

The Russian Army advances near Liman, Artemivsk, Avdeevka and attacks near Kupyansk – the main thing from the report of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces:
▪️Russian forces continue to concentrate offensive efforts in Artemivsk, Liman, and Avdeevka and seek to improve the tactical situation in the Kupyansk direction.
▪️On the Liman direction, the Russian Armed Forces launched strikes against the AFU near Makiivka, Chervonopopovka and Dubrava LNR, as well as Ternovniki DNR.
▪️In the Artemivsk (Bakhmutsk) direction, the AFU AFU used tanks, mortars and the full range of artillery in the areas of Spornoye, Berestovoye, Veseloye, Yakovlevka, Soledar, Praskovyevka, Bakhmut, Chasov Yar, Opytne, Stupochki, Kleshcheevka, Belaya Gora, Dileevka, Kleban-Byk, Ozarianovka, Severne and New York of the DPR.
▪️On the Avdiivka direction, the AFU came under fire in the areas of Kamianka, Avdiivka, Vodyanoye, Nevelskoye, Marinka and Novomikhailovka DNR.
▪️In the Kupyansk direction, artillery strikes hit the positions of Ukrainian soldiers in Novovolinsk, Kupyansk,
Kislovka, Tabayevka and Krakhmalnoye in the Kharkiv region and Stelmakhovka and Myasozharivka in the LNR.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 18:21 utc | 37

@ hopehely | Dec 24 2022 18:19 utc | 36

Перехват (perehvat) means intercept: Pere=over/trans, hvat=grip/catch

Okay, got it! Thank you kindly. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 18:28 utc | 38

Posted by: Nanker | Dec 24 2022 15:42 utc | 15

Murica is about to do the geopolitical “hat trick”, 3 defeats in 3 confrontations (Iraq Afghanistan Ukraine).

Depends on your definition of “defeat.” The USA is ruled by a criminal gangs who steal money from the US Treasury and War(!) is the prime racket for it. The “gangs” that rule and the oligarchy that nurtures and funds them win better if there is a defeat rather than a victory. Policy makers who favor war (anywhere) always win in their careers and those who oppose war even if they were totally correct in their anlyses always lose because the mainstream media Narrative is run by the aforementioned gangs. You can, at this time, no longer question them–if you do you are on the outside. And this basic balance has been true at least inside government since WWII. My own father, a US diplomat, in meetings in the State Department cautiously dissented (only in private) from US Vietnam policy (he worked underneath William Bundy) and took a major hit to his career and was, essentially exiled to a dangerous post in Somalia.
This general principle applies to all positions of responsibility–you either go along to get along or they f*ck you up. This is increasingly true today when lines of authority have become more rigid since the 60s.
Because of the rhetoric coming out of Washington about “freedom” people think there is a strong ideological component to US policy–it’s really about power/status/money. No one in government cares about “freedom”(other than to eliminate it) or “rules-based order (they prefer chaos–more opportunities result).” Again the US political scene as well as other sectors (more and more each year) are rackets except some local organizations and governments. On the positive side, there is a good deal of conflict between various gangs–we’ll see the results in a couple of years.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Dec 24 2022 18:30 utc | 39

SMO is awesome. It’s just pure genius. Tens of thousands of dead and untold destruction is so 12D fantastic, only the trolls don’t get it. NATO is shit in their pants. No shit. I mean it. Let me tell you bunch of idiots. Putin ought to hang upside down together with all the Kremlin morons who started this disaster. The West smells blood and they will not give up. If Russia gets out of this mess in one piece, which it probably won’t, it will be a miracle. Now go stock up on iodine pills. Not that they will do you any good.

Posted by: HB | Dec 24 2022 18:44 utc | 40

” So, the maximalist position, in short: Ukraine is already defeated with 200k dead, and the Russian so-called “attrition warfare” campaign has been a resounding success. ”
” Furthermore, at 200k dead, we have to divide the number to find the average deaths by day rate. That comes out to 666 dead Ukrainians a day. For comparison, the average rate of death by day in WWI for America on the Western front was 100. And for WWII it was 200. And only after the wounded who died later and MIA were factored in later is. ”
https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/more-than-a-million-ukrainian-soldiers

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 18:58 utc | 41

HB@40
Whatever it is that you’ve been smoking, it is evidently neither green, nor organic. There are helplines for most addictions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 24 2022 19:07 utc | 42

“So, the maximalist position, in short: Ukraine is already defeated with 200k dead, and the Russian so-called “attrition warfare” campaign has been a resounding success. ”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 18:58 utc | 41

Yes, it is obvious Ukraine is defeated. Also obvious that Russia is now fighting NATO. Hence Putin’s recent wording change from SMO to war (that he does not want).
NATO attrition is going to take a whole lot longer.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 19:15 utc | 43

Ouch – triggered @HB 40

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Dec 24 2022 19:28 utc | 44

The WaPo piece also talks about how the US thinks they need to train Ukrainian troops better so they don’t use so much artillery. That is, the US answer is to get Ukraine to adopt more light infantry tactics against heavy artillery and armor. Pure genius. It did work in Kharkov but that context is unlikely to be seen again. If there is or would soon be plenty of artillery and ammunition for Ukraine (which still needs to capture 84k km/2 plus crimea to reach its goals), then nobody would be saying “moar light infantry tactics”. Except it’s all US doctrine knows at the moment. A change started a few years ago but the titanic doesn’t turn on a dime.
The same situation is illustrated by armor. Yes, another 90 tanks are coming. Ukraine started with 2,400 pieces. Biden just said Ukraine was given 2,000 more. Some are left but Zaluzhny is demanding 300 to “win”. The numbers already put to the conflict are approaching total US stocks of M1s. Which the same WaPo article says can’t go to Ukraine because they’re a maintenance nightmare. And as Outraged has detailed, they won’t work in Ukraine because they’re too big. 300 tanks is more than either Germany or the UK own.
The US is not prepared for industrial, conventional warfare. Nor is the US going to pivot to an efficient war economy. We simply aren’t built that way anymore. Finance capitalism doesn’t make stuff.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 19:30 utc | 45

Bhadrakumar offers valuable insights but fails to mention that any German rapprochement with Russia would necessarily entail dissolving the current coalition. To be replaced by…what, exactly? Much of Scholz’s own party is opposed to any such rapprochement, and it’s unclear whether the CDU or FDP (if it even passes the 5% hurdle in the event of new elections) would play along.
When it comes to bucking the Atlanticist/CIA agenda, all of the parties, even AfD, are bought and paid for. Even “die Linke”: Lafontaine has either abandoned it or been forced out, and his wife Wagenknecht holds onto her party membership by a thread. The Trotzkyite party is sincerely anti-CIA but attracts a negligible number of voters.
And Germans, as a voting public, are remarkably obedient.

Posted by: malenkov | Dec 24 2022 19:35 utc | 46

Russian military chiefs release names of USA bio-weapons in Ukraine enablers.
“The Russian Defense Ministry has the document with the names of all the key American officials supervising Ukraine’s military biological program, Chief of Russia’s Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Force Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov said on Saturday.
“Among them are former DTRA [Defense Threat Reduction Agency] Director Kenneth Myers, Executive Vice President of the CIA-controlled In-Q-Tel venture fund Tara O’Toole, ex-Head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Thomas Frieden, ex-Director of the National Institutes of Health Francis Collins, ex-Executive Director of the Battelle Memorial Institute Jeffrey Wadsworth, the Pfizer chief scientific officer and president of the company’s global research, development and medicine division and many other officials,” Kirillov said.
These data are contained in the DTRA expanded report on the activity in Ukraine, the Russian defense official said.
“All of them are beneficiaries of the Pentagon’s biological projects and are linked with the US Democratic Party whose leaders are the ideologists of military biological researches and the creators of secret schemes of laundering funds in the interests of a narrow circle of the American elite’s representatives,” Kirillov stressed.”
https://tass.com/defense/1555465

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 19:36 utc | 47

@HB | Dec 24 2022 18:44 utc | 40
I see your frustration, frustration which many of us share. However, the question remains, what should Russia have done when they witnessed the people of Donbas being shelled and killed for 8 years starting in 2014?
When we, that is “we” in the United States, were a part of the British empire, we had a majority who decided to separate from the Brits. The most often stated reason was “no taxation without representation.” So, given the belief that they were being treated unfairly, they declared their independence. As was the norm in that era, and apparently still the norm today, the original country (i.e., the Brits) sent their military to quell the separatists, kill them as necessary, and restore order and ensure that the separatist region once again understood their subordinate position and behaved as required. In the final analysis, with the help of the French, the separatists succeeded in becoming independent. This is the process that took place in America from 1775 to 1783.
In our era, the separatists in eastern Ukraine felt justified because their language and culture was clearly being suppressed by the newly installed coup regime in Kiev. After attempts to militarily force the separatists to behave as subordinate surfs failed, the Kiev regime negotiated the Minsk II accords in 2015, brokered and to be enforced by Germany and France. The killing of people in the Donbas to make them submit was supposed to stop, but oddly enough, it never did…and over 8 years, over 14,000 civilians in the Donbas were killed by the Kiev regime.
As we in the United States appealed to France for help in our war against the British empire, the eastern Ukrainians appealed to Russia for help, and in February 2022 when the shelling of the Donbas increased 40-fold, Russia agreed to intercede on their behalf. Now, in the American revolutionary war, no other great power decided to then jump into the action to support the Brits, but in our era, the U.S. and all its NATO allies decided to help Ukraine force the separatists to submit and allow Kiev to dictate their language and culture. That’s what makes this war different. The country trying to treat its own citizens as property that must submit and behave as proper surfs won the support of most of the world’s major powers.
The lesson here is that some things today are the same as in the American revolutionary war in the 1700’s. When people want to be treated fairly and their authoritarian rulers insist that they must be quiet and submit, there are others who will help the surfs — in this case Russia stepped up to do the right thing, just as France did in the American revolutionary war. What’s different in our era is that there are countries who will join in with the oppressor country to try to ensure that their surfs behave properly, i.e., the U.S. and NATO are apparently dedicated to the proposition that Kiev owns the people of the Donbas and can dictate their language and culture, thus they are happy to help oppress these people rather than recognizing their right, under the United Nations charter, to self-determination.
And as we watch news here in America, we are constantly fed the lie that Putin is evil and Zelensky is all about freedom, where the opposite is far closer to the truth.

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 19:40 utc | 48

Outraged @37–
Thanks for those reports. The tank operations at Marinka prompted me to look at its current weather, which hovers at a few degrees above and below 0c with no major freeze in the longer forecast.
On the topic of artillery ammo, such supplies are useless without the guns, and I don’t read anything about increasing production of decent artillery by NATO. And of course, to handle both guns and ammo you need trained crews. Indeed, to operate any sort of weapon, proper training is required. You can’t dump 5 people at the foot of a 155 and expect them to figure it out, although they will after awhile–but will they hit what they’re aiming at? Another example: You’re on the rifle range shooting at targets, but you don’t know how to adjust the sights on your weapon; how accurate us your fire likely to be? (I know you know that, but that’s for those unaware.)
And of course, Russia has a completely different type of motivation than NATO that drives its industry–Russia knows what is required to prosecute an existential war being waged against it and acts accordingly. And that’s the fundamental reason why NATO will lose when its proxy is defeated. IF NATO was the defensive alliance it’s touted itself as, it would have a completely different arrangement, but it doesn’t because it’s not a defensive alliance. And nowadays, it can’t mount much of an offensive either.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 19:49 utc | 49

Re my (48) comment, an addendum.
The USA is moving its bio-weapons labs out of Ukraine to other countries.
“The Americans have also been boosting cooperation with Cambodia, Singapore, Thailand, Kenya and some other nations in the Indo-Pacific and Africa, with “the US Department of Defense being most interested in countries that already possess laboratories with a high level of bioсontainment.”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/24/695060/US-moving-bioweapons-research-out-of-Ukraine–Russia

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 19:51 utc | 50

Secretary Antony J. Blinken at a Press Availability 12/22/2022

When it comes to Russia’s war against Ukraine, if we were still in Afghanistan, it would have, I think, made much more complicated the support that we’ve been able to give and that others have been able to give Ukraine to resist and push back against the Russian aggression.

Posted by: Bill Quick | Dec 24 2022 19:52 utc | 51

Mr. Blinken gets another slapped down from China’s FM, Mr. Wang Yi
24 Dec, 2022  
‘Stop using salami tactics,’ China tells US
Washington is “stabbing China in the back,” Beijing’s top diplomat says

Up @ RT and link cannot be included.
Washington must drop its “old trick of unilateral bullying” that it hands out to Beijing, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi has told US Secretary of State Antony Blinken. The two top diplomats had a phone call at Washington’s request, Beijing said in a statement.
“It must be pointed out that the United States should not pursue dialogue and cooperation while containing and stabbing China in the back,” Wang told Blinken, according to the readout of the call circulated by the Chinese Foreign Ministry. “In effect, it is still the old trick of unilateral bullying. It has not worked with China in the past, nor will it work in the future.”
Wang added that Washington “must take seriously China’s legitimate concerns, stop containing and suppressing China’s development, and particularly stop using salami tactics to constantly challenge China’s red line,” referring to the negotiation practice of repeatedly securing small, incremental concessions.[.]
Wang stressed. “The zero-sum mentality will only lead the two major countries to mutual attrition and head-on collision. And it cannot be more obvious who is in the right and who is in the wrong,” he stated.[.]
According to the Chinese side, Blinken reiterated Washington’s respect towards the One-China policy and said it “does not support Taiwan’s ‘independence.’”
“The two sides also exchanged views on the Ukraine issue. Wang Yi stressed that China always stands for peace,” the ministry added.
The US Department of State released a tight-lipped readout of the talks as well, stating only that Blinken had “discussed the need to maintain open lines of communication and responsibly manage” the bilateral relationship. The US also said its top diplomat “raised concerns about Russia’s war against Ukraine and the threats it poses to global security and economic stability” during the phone call.[.]

It’s December 2022. And we have heard this before; that Washington must take seriously legitimate concerns

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 24 2022 19:58 utc | 52

Many very needy people in the Third World have and will continue to die because EU aid has been cut to them and funneled to Ukraine instead.
“Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine, the aid earmarked for other countries was gradually cut and pumped into the war and the resulting crisis. The European Union has also agreed to add €2.1 billion to a fund severely depleted by the military aid for Ukraine in the war against Russia.
The so called European Peace Facility was set up last year to help the EU fund military assistance to its international partners. The fund’s original budget of €5.7 billion was meant to last until 2027, but has almost completely run dry 10 months into the war in Ukraine.
The EU and its member states have so far committed about €8 billion of military support to Ukraine against Russia. According to the International Committee of the Red Cross 80% of the people in need of humanitarian aid live in 20 nations.
The huge amount of money splurged on Ukraine and Ukrainian refugees has come at the expense of millions of others in dire need of health care, education and food across the globe.
As the war drags on in the Ukraine, the gloomy economic outlook continues to trigger protests across Europe.
According to a new report over 300 million people, half of them children, are in need of desperate aid in some of the poorest and most conflict ridden regions on the planet. They have all been deprioritized following the war in Ukraine.
For instance, while half the population of Somalia was facing famine last year, the African country was only able to receive 68% of its requested funding after a one year wait. Ukraine, on the other hand, received the same amount in a matter of six weeks.”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/19/694739/EU-aid-for-Ukraine-at-the-expense-of-millions-of-others-in-dire-need-of-aid

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 19:59 utc | 53

Posted by: Lex | Dec 24 2022 13:11 utc | 2
I don’t know what the case is but if we assume they see no reason for panic then maybe they work a 40 hour week, an eight hour day.
Work 24 hours and you’ve tripled production.
Work weekends and you’ve increased that production by a further 2/5. 40% more on 300% = 420 % overall.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 20:01 utc | 54

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 20:01 utc | 55
Assuming you have sufficient raw materials.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 20:08 utc | 55

” As the war drags on in the Ukraine, the gloomy economic outlook continues to trigger protests across Europe.
According to a new report over 300 million people, half of them children, are in need of desperate aid in some of the poorest and most conflict ridden regions on the planet. They have all been deprioritized following the war in Ukraine.
For instance, while half the population of Somalia was facing famine last year, the African country was only able to receive 68% of its requested funding after a one year wait. Ukraine, on the other hand, received the same amount in a matter of six weeks.”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/19/694739/EU-aid-for-Ukraine-at-the-expense-of-millions-of-others-in-dire-need-of-aid
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 19:59 utc | 54 ”
However, where is China or the Gulf sates with their aid ? They have plenty of money.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:18 utc | 56

” ‘Stop using salami tactics,’ China tells US
Washington is “stabbing China in the back,” Beijing’s top diplomat says
It’s December 2022. And we have heard this before; that Washington must take seriously legitimate concerns
Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 24 2022 19:58 utc | 53 ”
Just like Russia China complains impotently as if its shocked by the US’s actions. Read some history China, maybe then you wont be so ” surprised “.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:21 utc | 57

” When we, that is “we” in the United States, were a part of the British empire, we had a majority who decided to separate from the Brits.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 19:40 utc | 49 ”
Not true, re-read your history books. It was a relatively small percentage of colonists who supported the rebellion. Additionally, a good portion of colonists supported the British. The remainder didnt care enough to get involved either way.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:26 utc | 58

Funny RT main page listings: “Only Putin can end Ukrainian conflict – Italian ex-PM”–that would be Mario Draghi. Yet we also have, “Peace in Ukraine depends on Washington – Orban”.
As Putin said several times over the last week, Russia remains open to negotiations. However, Maria Zakharova put the proper perspective on that in her answer to a presumably German media question. So, it’s obvious Orban is correct–Washington being the instigator of the current war is the only entity that can initiate negotiations to end it, and it’s clear it’s not in any hurry to do so since it imagines it has the upper hand when it has nothing.
Then there are some Russian writers who don’t seem to know what they’re writing about. This is from today’s RT by Fyodor Lukyanov, “the editor-in-chief of Russia in Global Affairs, chairman of the Presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, and research director of the Valdai International Discussion Club:”
“Ukraine is forming a powerful and capable armed force, actively assisted by the West, primarily the US, so its formal status – whether it’s a member of NATO or not – no longer matters. It is America’s de facto, if not de jure, military ally, in addition to having unique practical experience in a direct large-scale confrontation with Russia. One might add: it is motivated to pursue it.”
Too many Black Russians it seems produced an hallucinatory affect that generated that initial phrase, which IMO discredits the entire essay. That man’s been slipping greatly of late.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 20:36 utc | 59

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:21 utc | 58
Russia is kicking the heavily us backed proxy troops around like rag dolls, and China is in the process of leaving it in the dust economically. and you describe this as “complaining impotently”.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 20:41 utc | 60

@ karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 19:49 utc | 50
You are most welcome. All very true.
AFU has lost it’s NCO/Officer Corps & Cadre, it’s formerly trained combined arms formations, now its sending service support & engineers into the line as ad hoc assault companies. Forced conscripted Volksturm with abbreviated training are no substitute.
When the AFU remnants inevitably face Division & Army sized formations conducting combined arms maneuver warfare, beyond the entrenchments … they’ll be crushed.
The 1.5M under arms goal means up to 60 new full Divisions or 15 Army groups(4 Divs each) above & beyond extant RF formations (~900,000) at Feb2422. Clearly, RF intends to resolve the US/EU/NATO issue once & for all, IMV.
Suggest reading the linked WaPo article @ Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:10 utc | 33.
There is far more pointed detailed content then the highlighted excerpts. It is a quite concise summation of why US/NATO are incapable of realistically contesting RF (alone) in high-intensity conventional war, let alone supported by Iran &/or China. From WaPo 🙂
RF increased all arms/materiel/R&D production by 50% mid July, then by 88% last week compared to Feb2422. Expect will boost again 2023 by end 1st 1/4. The demonstrable results of what we discussed previously re high level direct State control by external experts commissions of a now separately managed war industry/economy, without significantly negatively affecting the wider RF economy/society.
Empire realistically has negligible ability to contest or even catch up, re industrial capacity/capability, nor troop numbers nor arms/materiel, nor motivation/commitment/morale, IMO.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 20:51 utc | 61

As an island nation, USA simply does not have means to be traipsing among the nations trying to arrange their affairs to benefit this or that American notional fad, person, financial speculator, or corporation. That’s not why we’re here. That’s a geriatric’s dream, someone spoiled as they aged and soiling as they decline.
Although half-baked and still for the wrong reasons, there is in D.C. now a small spark of serious appreciation for multipolarity — a modern name for The USA’s founding foreign policy impulses — and its root posture of protecting national sovereignty with a “neutral” or as it used to be called “non-aligned” standard for conducting foreign affairs:
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/has-russia%E2%80%99s-invasion-ukraine-doomed-dollar-206047
As an island nation, we never were able to police the world with some degree of success. OEF, OIF, and now Ukie prove that, nor are we able to bend the world to the wishes of those few among us who consider themselves unaccountable masters of the universe, from their MICIMATT perches ruling “the world’s most exceptional, greatest, most powerful nation” [other than Israel].
https://therevdavidrgraham.substack.com/p/standards-of-usa-statecraft
There is this to rejoice in: WEF delenta est.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Dec 24 2022 20:59 utc | 62

Deplorable Commissar (57).
I didn’t check the Gulf States but looked at China since you mentioned it first, I take it you didn’t even bother to check either before commenting.
From the British state propaganda news agency.
“Not very long ago, China was a foreign aid recipient. Now, it rivals the United States as one of the world’s largest donors, through traditional development aid or through financial loans.
For the first time, a large group of researchers outside China have compiled a major database detailing virtually all of China’s financial money flow to recipient countries. Citing more than 5,000 projects found across 140 countries, it reveals that China and the US rival each other in terms of how much they offer to other countries.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-41564841

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 21:02 utc | 63

Athanasios, Ελλαδα, #29
Thanks, Καλα Χριστουγενα, which is Dobrych Świąt! – from Poland. To make it light, I would like you to remind you the Freedom Fries !! moment, twenty-something years ago, when USA attacked Iraq, in totally Unprovoked way. France did not go along, Poland went as a servant to the High Horse, at his arse.
Jacques Chirack had than a word of wisdom, about being quiet . . . Poland “elites” didn’t, and bragged about their servant status.
Nowadays, one can buy in Poland “ukrainian pierogi’s” – in place those called for millenia as “pierogi ruskie” , i.e. close to the russian thing. “ukrainian pierogi’s”, as a high form of tribute to Bandera. Shall I drop from my menu the ukrainian bortsch as a retaliation? We have such item in our cook books.

Posted by: LogosApplied | Dec 24 2022 21:09 utc | 64

@ karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 19:49 utc | 50

On the topic of artillery ammo, such supplies are useless without the guns, and I don’t read anything about increasing production of decent artillery by NATO.

Yes, I don’t know exactly for USA but here (EU) we are out for a while. And not only artillery (German Howitzer 2000 quickly out of order to fire, French César (12…)).
In Germany perhaps a few hundred Howitzer2000 are in order to fire. In France a few dozen César and Nexter can only produce one or two piece/month (even working 3 shifts) ….
I wrote

Let’s face it, the European Union’s arms industry is a relic of the past.
Let’s take the example of tanks.
The French Leclerc tank, a project from the 1980s, was produced from 1990 to 2007 in 876 units. Production has never reached 100 units per year. For the past 15 years, France has not built any more tanks, and it is difficult to maintain 220 tanks that should remain in service until 2040.
The German Leopard 2 tank (Bernhard will correct me if I am wrong) is even older. Produced from 1979 to 1992 at 2950 units, a maximum of 300 per year.
What is left of the production capacity and how many years would it take to be able to produce say 500 tanks per year?
Is it feasible without the capacity to produce even steel? Not to mention titanium….
Combat aviation or even the military adaptation of civilian aircraft is more a matter for the air and space museum. The Franco-German SCAF project has been abandoned and Dassault will not survive.
What remains? Some Mauser, Glock and Beretta….
And , yes, a few Exocet for friendly fire.
Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 21 2022 21:19 utc | 44

At the presser, the last question to Ze and Brandon was: why not give them all the weaponery they need.
Ze agreed…
Brandon ( une fois n’est pas coutume) says The Thruth
“We’ve given Ukraine what they needed when they needed to defend themselves,” the US leader insisted, listing hundreds of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, and ammunition that Washington and NATO have handed over to Kiev.
Doing more would have “the prospect of breaking up NATO, breaking up Europe, and the rest of the world,” Biden said, noting that he’s spent “hundreds” of hours persuading US partners around the globe to help Ukraine, but “they are not looking for a Third World War” by fighting Russia directly. “But I’ve said too much.”

Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 24 2022 21:09 utc | 65

Alexander Buzakov died, no info given. Strange.

Posted by: rk | Dec 24 2022 21:10 utc | 66

Et un Joyeux Noël à tous et toutes (sorry…no neutral pronoun in French )

Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 24 2022 21:11 utc | 67

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:59 utc | 35
I’d expect the drone thing to turn into a battle between drones.
Consider the drone swarm displays we’ve seen on civilian videos.
They make it obvious that drone swarms can be programmed to perform all kinds of intricate manoeuvres almost without limit. We can see that. We can see that limitations of range for control are now spurious because ‘repeater’ drones can be stationed along a route. Electronics has gotten to the stage where all kinds of powerful electronics can be packaged into small enough packets that drones can carry them: radar and radio detection for instance.
The counter for drone attacks would seem to clearly be drones.
Science fiction fifty years ago contemplated all this. All of it. East v West, Russia v USA. Computers and drones.
In a way it is possibly a good move. Whole wars fought out without needing to kill people. Robot tanks etc.. just further drone tech.
If their drone army wins superiority your every position and every move is clearly revealed and thousands of ’rounds’ of superbly targeted ammunition (i.e. a kamikaze drone) home right in on you. And vice versa.
The area of contention would seem to me to be the communications in that case. To disrupt the control signals or override them.
So that then becomes a race for the more effective and difficult to jam signalling techniques. Band switching at high speed I guess, maybe.
Whole new features such as ‘dormant’ drones scattered around the landscape waiting to awaken and perform a function – relay control messages, broadcast data, attack, broadcast disruption, whatever.
You could throw a net over the enemy’s terrain of thousands of drones that immediately go inert to avoid detection. That net could on awakening perform any function you wished. It’d be like having a ‘thinking’ or ‘aware’ minefield throughout your terrain. Laying there actually looking for targets. The possibilities are endless because smart drones are actually like have a human being there.
It is a whole new ballgame. Completely new. Even I can see that.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 21:15 utc | 68

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 16:30 utc | 28
concern for civilians? there’s still some civilians in those places?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 21:26 utc | 69

“That’s why Morocco sent it to Ukraine”
Another reason is Morocco is America’s poodle (after 9/11 the CIA opened a “black op” prison there in the city of Ben Guerir) and an ally of Israel (the Mossad helped kill Moroccan opposition leader Ben Barka in 1965).
Two reason to help the Ukrainian war effort. Meanwhile billionaire king Mohamed VI lets the dirt-poor youth of his country flee to Europe.
But IF Uncle same resorts to a 4rd level ally like Morocco things must be pretty dire for the Empire in its war against Russia…

Posted by: Nanker | Dec 24 2022 21:29 utc | 70

@neofeudalfuture
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Sahara_conflict

Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 24 2022 21:29 utc | 71

@ La Bastille | Dec 24 2022 21:09 utc | 66
Bundeswehr has only ~36 of 105 Pz 2000 155mm tracked gun howitzers operationally deployable. All 350 Puma IFVs are withdrawn and 1970’s Marders have been recommissioned from mothballed reserve war stocks. Only ~80 Leopard 2s are operationally deployable. Two days small arms ammo, critical shortage of operable MGs. Only ~30% of aircraft combat effective, critical shortage of parts, ordnance & competent flight-line technicians/specialists.
Denmark/Belgium/Netherlands, beyond decrepit, even worse status … and it goes on …

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 21:29 utc | 72

@ Don Bacon | Dec 24 2022 16:23 utc | 26
It’s a missile/drone world and everything else is obsolete, including aircraft carriers, manned aircraft, artillery …
Laughable.
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:10 utc | 33
calls to mind colonel blimp to me… seems to fit the moniker, too…

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 21:40 utc | 73

Outraged | Dec 24 2022 21:29 utc | 73
They’ll buy new ones from US, like all nato. Isn’t that one of the reasons US wants long war in Ukr and deindustrialization in EU? isn’t that one of the reasons Ukr ambassador called the puppet sausage and Poland demands money for WW2? Germany is bye bye and Japan is going the same path, largest weapon investments, high energy prices. I hope Russia sanctions their vote for oil price cap with Sakhalin

Posted by: rk | Dec 24 2022 21:44 utc | 74

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 19:59 utc | 54
Yes. Parallels exactly the covid years doesn’t it?
What happened there? To the forecast by Oxfam deaths by malnutrition and disease of potentially millions?
Not of news interest is it/was it?
We are part of something more horrific than I could ever have contemplated. Spent my life asleep. We all did. Do.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 21:45 utc | 75

@Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:26 utc | 59
You’re right. I just looked it up online and found that at no time did more than 45% of the population support the revolutionary war. So, you’ve proven you also have Google.
Did you actually have anything of substance to say about the post, other than you’re reading these posts to catch people on what you consider the details they got wrong rather than addressing the larger issues? Where are YOUR posts other than trying to find fault with other peoples’ posts?
I noticed this snarky comment you made about post 53 in your post 58:
Just like Russia China complains impotently as if its shocked by the US’s actions. Read some history China, maybe then you wont be so ” surprised “.
Reviewing all your posts today made me think you’re probably our in-house self appointed history buff appointed to catch others for not reading the same history books you’ve skimmed. Is that about it?
Do you have any useful information or views of your own that you would like to share? I’m sure everyone would like to hear what YOU think rather than just your endless nitpicking of their posts.

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 21:48 utc | 76

” Do you have any useful information or views of your own that you would like to share? I’m sure everyone would like to hear what YOU think rather than just your endless nitpicking of their posts.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 24 2022 21:48 utc | 77 ”
Its Ok to be wrong, You dont need to feel bad about yourself.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 21:53 utc | 77

” “Not very long ago, China was a foreign aid recipient. Now, it rivals the United States as one of the world’s largest donors, through traditional development aid or through financial loans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-41564841
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 21:02 utc | 64 ”
I meant purely food and medical aid.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 21:59 utc | 78

“So, the maximalist position, in short: Ukraine is already defeated with 200k dead, and the Russian so-called “attrition warfare” campaign has been a resounding success. ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 18:58 utc | 41

Hardly.
Ukraine has 40 mil inhabitants. It can easily withstand 2 mil losses.
Furthermore, Poland is willing and even eager to step in fight a.s.a.p.(80 millions)

Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 24 2022 22:02 utc | 79

” Russia is kicking the heavily us backed proxy troops around like rag dolls, and China is in the process of leaving it in the dust economically. and you describe this as “complaining impotently”.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 24 2022 20:41 utc | 61 ”
That might be true, but how many times are China and Russia going to act surprised that the US is not agreement capable and will attack them in some manner whenever given a chance ? Its unbecoming at this point.
Theres an easy solution, just ostracize the US and be done with it. Stop the whining.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 22:03 utc | 80

Not true, re-read your history books. It was a relatively small percentage of colonists who supported the rebellion. Additionally, a good portion of colonists supported the British. The remainder didnt care enough to get involved either way.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 20:26 utc | 59

Not only that, when the Empire Loyalists left the northern colonies and migrated to Upper Canada (Southern Ontario) at the end of the Revolutionary War, they took the natives from the Finger Lakes region with them, rather than leave them to be punished.
The natives were given a large land grant along the Grand River, a small portion of which still remains. Their Chief Thayendanegea (Joseph Brant) was treated well, including meeting the King and he had a number of farms. He also had slaves, some of whom were white (gasp).
Yet no one wants to cancel him or tear down his statue… odd, very odd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Brant

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 22:07 utc | 81

What about if the megamillionaires, the ‘oligarchs’ were offered lucrative futures in cooperation with Russia (the Allies as they all still refer to themselves on Telegram) ?
We know they have no national loyalties whatever, do they? Money being their only love. Fair enough. In fact good, easy to calculate which way they’ll jump.
So if they could see a profitable future going the way of accommodation with some kind of ending of the Kiev regime then I’d presume they’d be – always are – in a position to influence politicians (being merely the harlots they are) to do as they tell them to do.
In fact isn’t that the whole function of politicians today – to promote the ends of the oligarchs? An Ayn Rand interpretation.
Government of the people for the people being a forgotten concept today and rightly so, for we’ve seen through the covid years the people don’t even want it, couldn’t care less, are not interested.
If the world works like that then it is for Russia and its Allies – and here we could perhaps count in all the global potential allies it now has and is gaining – to clear a path for exorbitant profits for the western oligarchs.
And they will tell the politicians what to do and they’ll do it. And peace will fall on the world. Feed the greedy pigs and silence falls in the sty, haven’t you noticed.
All they want is money. Right now some of them think the best way to get it is arms trading etc and some of them fear losing what they’ve got.
They are the dominant force in this corrupt and evil and sick world. Everyone knows that and even down on the streets they are hated and there’s calls for killing them.
No. Don’t kill them. Feed them. They are just like pigs. They will follow the food.
Lay a trail of food the way you want them to go.
Make it more profitable for them to be part of a world that has that petty insane Kiev regime/philosophy relegated to the madhouse where it belongs.
Buy them off. They are only pigs. But they run the world. Attack the problem from the top, not the bottom. Soldiers in a muddy trench won’t fix things.
A fat contract in a boardroom… that’ll do it.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 22:13 utc | 82

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 22:13 utc | 83
Hahaha. Excellent satire!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 24 2022 22:16 utc | 83

“I meant purely food and medical aid.”
Deplorable Commissar (79).
Stop asking stupid questions and start searching online yourself, this the last time I do your homework for you.
“BEIJING – The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) and the Government of China have recently signed agreements to provide food assistance to Yemen, Lesotho, Dominican Republic, and the Republic of Congo to respond to their food needs outlined in recent Humanitarian Response Plans.”
https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-welcomes-chinas-contribution-food-assistance-four-countries#:~:text=BEIJING%20-%20The%20United%20Nations%20World%20Food%20Programme,food%20needs%20outlined%20in%20recent%20Humanitarian%20Response%20Plans.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 22:17 utc | 84

Doing more would have “the prospect of breaking up NATO, breaking up Europe, and the rest of the world,” Biden said, noting that he’s spent “hundreds” of hours persuading US partners around the globe to help Ukraine, but “they are not looking for a Third World War” by fighting Russia directly. “But I’ve said too much.”
Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 24 2022 21:09 utc | 66
This is not a joke or sarcastic or otherwise insincere question. I really wonder, want to know: Is Biden not the clown he’s made out to be and looks like? Could he really have spent hundreds of hours persuading people? He could be coherent that long? He has the mental capacity?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 22:18 utc | 85

Translated from Russian FYI:
Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны (Operation Z: Russian Spring Warcasters) (Open TG link)

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are suffering huge losses and are in great danger – US General Barry McKeffrey
In an interview with MSNBC, the American military commander spoke about the hopeless situation of the Ukrainian forces. In his opinion, even supplies of Patriot SAMs will not bring the Ukrainian Armed Forces to the path of the desired victory because Russia has an overwhelming superiority in aviation and artillery.

&
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Intercept (Z)) (Open TG link)

The German Defense Ministry expects a major offensive by the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine in April 2023. The Neue Zürcher Zeitung reports this, citing an internal analysis of the defense agency, “Deployment and Strategy.
Berlin sees two possible scenarios for the development of events.
The first “envisages” a large-scale offensive by the Russian Armed Forces in Donbass while a large Belarusian contingent is deployed on the Ukrainian border from the north.
As a result, the Russian Armed Forces will be fragmented and will not be able to fight fully in the east.
The second, according to German strategists, the least likely scenario assumes Vladimir Putin’s desire to take control of all of Ukraine in a two-front war: Russian troops will attack from the territory of Donbass, while Belarusian troops will go to Kiev.
Russian soldiers would reach the Polish border to prevent arms supplies from the West and take Transnistria, the analysis says.

@ rk | Dec 24 2022 21:44 utc | 75
Cannot buy what does not exist nor is not for purchase, or receipt what will not be manufactured for years if you do. Taiwan is still waiting on arms it paid $Billions for going back to 2015.
@ Kerensky | Dec 24 2022 22:02 utc | 80
BS. Are you Zanons, abrogards, experienceds, moaobservers or Bill Smiths other sock ? Or just cubicle buddies in the ‘Boiler Room’, or maybe a dark, cold, basement.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 22:27 utc | 86

@Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 24 2022 22:02 utc | 80

Hardly. Ukraine has 40 mil inhabitants. It can easily withstand 2 mil losses. Furthermore, Poland is willing and even eager to step in fight a.s.a.p.(80 millions)

Ukraine has nowhere near that number, due to the ongoing migration of Ukrainians looking for work between 2014 and 2022 (Ukraine did not carry out a proper census in the past years to hide the huge loss of people), the populations of the areas now under Russian control, and the further migration of people in the past year. It maybe has 20 million absolute tops, and that will be heavily skewed to the older age groups, and the infirm. The birth rate also crashed in Ukraine in the past two decades, so natural deaths outnumber births.
We can see the proof of manpower issues in Ukraine from the extension of the ages of call up and the ages, and unfitness, of Ukrainians at the front. Also, the desperate nature of state officials chasing down those called up. Also, the increasing number of foreigners at the battle front on the Ukrainian side.
Poland has a population of 38 million (I have no clue where you got 80 million), with a median age of 42 and population skewed very heavily to the older ages. Birth rate is 1.4, way below replacement rate and many Poles going abroad to seek work. For example, there are less than 200,000 20 year old men. The flower of Poland’s youth could be bled white quite quickly. Not all of them will be available also given reserved occupations, university students etc.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2022 22:28 utc | 87

” The natives were given a large land grant along the Grand River, a small portion of which still remains. Their Chief Thayendanegea (Joseph Brant) was treated well, including meeting the King and he had a number of farms. He also had slaves, some of whom were white (gasp).
Yet no one wants to cancel him or tear down his statue… odd, very odd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Brant
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 22:07 utc | 82 ”
Only Whites are responsible for all the world’s ills. You should know that by now.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 22:29 utc | 88

” Stop asking stupid questions and start searching online yourself, this the last time I do your homework for you.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 24 2022 22:17 utc | 85 ”
Although, I dont recall ever asking you to be my personal research assistant I appreciate your diligent, self-tasked, efforts. I also appreciate you quoting the BBC and the UN, two organizations that have been proven to be trust worthy and completely impartial.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 24 2022 22:34 utc | 89

Poland has a population of 38 million (I have no clue where you got 80 million),
Posted by: Roger | Dec 24 2022 22:28 utc | 88

My error. Sorry. But i see Poland would like to enter the war.

Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 24 2022 22:37 utc | 90

Hey barflys
Don’t feed the trolls
Thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 24 2022 22:40 utc | 91

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 24 2022 19:15 utc | 43
NATO attrition is going to take a whole lot longer.
Not at all. It’s going to take half the time.
The AFU was the only European army prepared and positioned to take casualties against the RF.
They at least had equipment, training and familiarity with the local conditions to give them a minimum fighting chance.
The Europeans have none of that. Should they enter Ukraine in force they’ll essentially be on another planet … With weapons that have never been tested as a system in industrial scale warfare.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 24 2022 22:46 utc | 92

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:10 utc | 33
It’s not my claim. What is the source of your claim?

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 22:50 utc | 93

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 24 2022 17:10 utc | 33
“Ukrainian forces have fired that amount in two days during periods of heavy fighting”
Two days is not an average.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 24 2022 22:53 utc | 94

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 24 2022 20:01 utc | 55
Regarding maximum output of a factory – theoretical 21 shifts per week (3 times 7 days ) but ….it’s well neigh impossible to have more than 15 shifts. Note, the graveyard shift will have 2/3s the productivity of first shift.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 24 2022 22:54 utc | 95

I see a couple of references here today from RT. The article that caught my eye, however, was the one about various churches’ role in Ukraine conflicts. The article below focuses on the current conflict in Ukraine. It also includes their involvement and persecution history going back about a hundred years.
https://www.rt.com/russia/568614-war-and-churches-in-ukraine/

Posted by: HelenB | Dec 24 2022 22:59 utc | 96

At some point, Ukie generals will realize they’ve just committed the last of their reserves. What the front lines will be then is unknown, but they’ll be collapsed from what they are now. Zelensky and his Nazi overseers behave akin to their Hitlerian idols, begging the question: When will reality make them implode?
IMO, the best New Year’s Wish for Ukrainians is for the rapid demise of their political overlords and replacement by a team willing to negotiate and stop listening to NATO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 22:59 utc | 97

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2022 20:36 utc | 60
“Ukraine is forming a powerful and capable armed force”
Ukraine is forming a powerful and capable armed force – compared to the rest of NATO whose armies are far smller than Ukraine’s (except for Turkey). The real question, however, is whether it is “powerful and capable” compared to the Russian military.
Hint for the trolls: It’s not. Which is why it’s being annihilated. The reason it’s taking a long time is three-fold: 1) it’s had fortifications built over eight years, and 2) its size was so large to begin with, and 3) Russia only committed ten-fifteen percent of its forces for the first ten months.
The fortifications were reduced by that 10-15% of Russian forces, its size has been reduced from 600-700,000 to perhaps 300-400,000, and Russia has now committed 2-3 times as many forces as initially and now outnumber the Ukrainians both in manpower and hardware and technology.
Bottom line: Ukraine is just as doomed now as it was at the start of the war. I reiterate: It is a physical impossibility for Ukraine to defeat Russia, short of the West deploying nuclear weapons. Always was, always will be. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
Aside for all the characters here counting artillery shells: If you don’t have the artillery to shoot them, or the artillery personnel to man the cannons, or the rail lines to deliver them, it’s a moot point. Nit-picking any of these points, which I’m sure will continue because that is what barflies do, is nothing to the purpose, either.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 24 2022 23:01 utc | 98

@92 a troll is in the eye of the beholder. Besides I’m just happy if you read, your comments aren’t necessary although I’m happy to respond as well.
Long story short I think of myself as more of a goad.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 24 2022 23:06 utc | 99

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Situation in the #Soledar Direction until 12:00 on 24 Dec 2022⚡️
🩸Fighting continues in and around #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk). Russian troops are conducting a positional offensive, breaking through the AFU defence in several directions at once.
♦️#Bakhmut and Soledar Areas:
The most intense fighting is taking place in #Opytnoye, #Kleshchiyevka, #Podgorodnoye, as well as in the areas of #Dyleyevka and #Razdolovka.
▪️ During the offensive, Russian assault groups established control over three platoon strongholds and three fire positions on the southern edge of #Podgorodnoye, two platoon strongholds in #Opytnoye on Shkolnaya Street and several positions on the #Yakovlevka – #Razdolovka line.
▪️ In addition, Russian units are storming Ukrainian strongholds in #Kleshchiyevka, #Dyleyevka and #Druzhba, where the AFU’s 28th Mechanized Brigade is holding positions.
▪️ In order to slow down the offensive, the assault troops of the 3rd Battalion of the 28th Mechanised Brigade counterattacked the Russian positions near #Dyleyevka.
The advancing troops were supported by army aviation helicopters and artillery crews of the 28th, 53rd and 105th Battalions of the 63rd Mechanized Brigade which fired indiscriminately at #Bakhmut, #Yakovlevka, #Ozaryanovka, #Kurdyumovka and #Mayorsk.
The attack was repulsed. Some AFU units were withdrawn to reserve positions to restore combat readiness.
▪️ In #Bakhmut, forces of the 58th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade established 28 firing positions on the southeastern outskirts of the city, with three pairs of snipers operating in residential areas. Ukrainian formations are equipped with ammunition, radios and thermal imaging devices.
https://t.me/sitreports/2509

Posted by: ? | Dec 24 2022 23:09 utc | 100