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December 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-232
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 22 2022 20:24 utc | 94 Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 22 2022 20:42 utc | 101 @uncle tungsten | Dec 22 2022 20:38 utc | 98
So, Patriots come complete with astroturfs? We should see reduced trolling when the flying lawn mowers are put into action then. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 22 2022 20:56 utc | 102 Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 22 2022 19:29 utc | 79 @ karlof1 | Dec 22 2022 20:13 utc | 92 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 22 2022 21:01 utc | 104 Personally I’d like to hear a few more views and try to find some facts on the proposed expansion of the Russian miliatry from 1.0M to 1.5m (I think around 16 Division equivalents, 400 combat aircraft and 500 helicopters per the comment yesterday here – apologies cannot trace now the source), and also what Mercouris claims is a Polish mobilisation. Posted by: marcjf | Dec 22 2022 21:03 utc | 105 Posted by: S | Dec 22 2022 19:44 utc | 84 “Whilst celebrating his 59th birthday in a restaurant in Donetsk, Rogozin and Vitaliy Khotsenko, the chairman on the self proclaimed separatist Donetsk People’s Republic, received shrapnel injuries from the explosion of a precision munition fired by Ukraine.” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 22 2022 21:12 utc | 107 nice post from cartoonist mike flugenock: America’s Favorite Fascist Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 22 2022 21:15 utc | 108 Posted by: Thoughtcriminal | Dec 22 2022 16:46 utc | 26 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 22 2022 21:18 utc | 109 @ marcjf | Dec 22 2022 21:03 utc | 105 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 22 2022 21:22 utc | 110 BBC and other channels reporting on Rogozin, who was Deputy PM of Russia. His wife’s not well either. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 22 2022 21:26 utc | 111 @ # 11 Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Dec 22 2022 21:27 utc | 112 When this SMO began, now 300 days ago, I offered that the goals went beyond those stated by Putin (demilitarization, denazification, protection if eastern Ukraine, neutrality for Ukraine) to also include the establishment of a multipolar world and financial system and the creation of economic blocs standing apart and free of the US and Europe. Russia and the United States are really the only two great powers that contain food production, energy production, an educated workforce, an industrial history, and military might. China for example, while economically powerful, does not have energy and has trouble producing food. Same for Europe. But, of the two great possibly autarkic powers, only Russia stands today as the power most likely to succeed in the new regime, because Russian autarky is real, current, and true, protecting a population used to suffering and willing to suffer. The United States’ ability to suffer is an open question. For the US to succeed as an autarkic power the population will have to face a huge change in standard of living, much greater than the Russian. Posted by: Boomheist | Dec 22 2022 21:31 utc | 113 . . . simple truth is (as they say) amazing.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 22 2022 21:40 utc | 114 Yet and On @107 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 22 2022 21:46 utc | 115 Boomheist | Dec 22 2022 21:31 utc | 113 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 22 2022 21:47 utc | 116 That won’t work. Ukraine would still get supplied through its border with Moldova/Romania and by Odessa. At this point it seems too late anyway as the only country with significant numbers of heavy weapons to supply is the US. And I don’t think that the hundreds of Abrams sitting in Poland and Romania would sit there idly while this offensive was happening. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 22 2022 21:52 utc | 117 @abrogard #106 Posted by: S | Dec 22 2022 22:00 utc | 118 I heard from a guy from Ukraine. That “hand to the heart” gesture you saw in Congress is a typical Ukrainian Mafia gesture. That should tell you something. This is open mockery of the Americans. Posted by: Tenet | Dec 22 2022 22:06 utc | 119 @Objective Observer 101 Posted by: AG | Dec 22 2022 22:08 utc | 120 “The only time in my life that can recollect any US president saying anything similar [about investing in young] was JFK in relation to the Space Race and his rather odd mantra: “Don’t ask what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.” Putin/Russia’s outlook is rather different–Your country will help prepare you to do whatever you can to help your country. And much of that effort is done in a collective fashion, so it becomes clear that all helps all so that all succeed. That’s Russian Communalism. And it’s very powerful.” Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 22 2022 22:11 utc | 121 I’ve finished posting the now complete transcripts of Putin’s latest events, today’s presser and the Council of State Meeting that preceded it. That makes for five very important events this week that started with Russia’s Meetings Plan for Tomorrow: Council for Strategic Development and National Projects, that I’m rather surprised so few have read. Yes, that comprises lots of reading. But if you look at the overall number of events, five is not the entire number for the week, which was 23 or so. The events related to youth and education were six alone. As Putin said in answer to a question, I don’t spend all my time worrying about the SMO; the military does that for me. Reminds me of MAD Magazine‘s iconic phrase, What, Me Worry? Ćevapčići | Dec 22 2022 17:38 utc | 39 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 22 2022 22:19 utc | 123 One wonders: does the US press turn mole-hills into mountains? Posted by: Passerby | Dec 22 2022 22:32 utc | 124 Cannon Fodder or Cannot Fodder. Posted by: Zed | Dec 22 2022 22:35 utc | 125 Without speed German Wehrmacht would notbbe able to occupy one meter territory. Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 22 2022 22:36 utc | 126 https://t.me/dimsmirnov175/41842 Posted by: Arioch | Dec 22 2022 22:55 utc | 127 I had just about given up on england. perhaps I was a little premature.. hope so… Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 22 2022 23:05 utc | 128 Lorsqu’on vend des missiles sol-air patriots à Zelensky, c’est l’escalade froide dans le ciel donc le ciel répond immédiatement pour les fêtes de Noël avec une tempête froide à 850 h.Pa Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Dec 22 2022 23:08 utc | 129 karlof1 | Dec 22 2022 19:14 utc | 70 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 22 2022 23:08 utc | 130 @ karlof1 122
(emphasis added) Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 22 2022 23:13 utc | 131 WhirlX @104– Posted by: Mike R | Dec 22 2022 20:41 utc | 100 Former Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard reacts to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s address to Congress on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight. Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 22 2022 23:45 utc | 134 Twitter is mass suspending people for sharing the photo of Elensky giving the microphone a blowjob while Harris and Pelosi hold the blueyellow nazi rag behind him. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 22 2022 23:49 utc | 135 @Likklemore 131 Posted by: Woke American | Dec 22 2022 23:52 utc | 137 @Likklemore 131 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 22 2022 23:54 utc | 138 @OdessaConnected | 1 Posted by: Dan Farrand | Dec 23 2022 0:04 utc | 139 Karlof, that’s a Global Times image. Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 0:05 utc | 140 Melaleuca @140– Sigh…… Unimperator @ 123, NWoods @ 126: Posted by: Jen | Dec 23 2022 0:30 utc | 143 Woke American | Dec 22 2022 23:52 utc | 137 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 23 2022 0:58 utc | 144 In her briefing today, Zakharova took a different tack in her recap of the Ukraine Crisis–essentially, no matter the number of hideous crimes committed by Ukraine and its NATO accomplices, Russia will overcome all, win and reestablish peace and its attributes for those it liberates. Those committing crimes will be faced with justice–even those outside Ukraine. Those running Ukraine have become no different that ISIS Terrorists, those that Europe once shunned but now (or actually have always) support. reply to 131 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 23 2022 1:08 utc | 146
Ukraine used a car bomb to kill someone in RUSSIAN HELD territory. Very convincing evidence that definitely proves Ukraine is winning. Posted by: Simon | Dec 23 2022 1:21 utc | 147 Let’s not forget most of the ukraine money is just a vector to loot the US and launder the money to the connected elites between ukraine and the US. I’d bet less than 25 percent actually procurs the goods and services they say they want to spend on ukraine. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 23 2022 1:25 utc | 148 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 22 2022 23:54 utc | 138 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 23 2022 1:27 utc | 149 Posted by: nwwoods | Dec 22 2022 22:36 utc | 126 Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 23 2022 1:28 utc | 150 Likklemore 149: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 23 2022 1:36 utc | 151 Mercouris and Garland Nixen. They cover a lot of interesting points. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 23 2022 1:39 utc | 152 I want to thank all the regular bar flies for their opinions, insights, links to news, and the transcripts of telegram posts – especially Karlof1. I did read the end of Putin’s address, but then you tipped us off where the good stuff was. I am nearly 70 and don’t want to use what little time I have left reading policy speeches. There are a lot of other things to do but I truly appreciate the work EVERY good-hearted person here does to keep us lazy ones informed. By the way, MAD Magazine’s iconic phrase, What, Me Worry? is an English translation of my alias. Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Dec 23 2022 1:46 utc | 153 Posted by: RB | Dec 22 2022 18:13 utc | 51 Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 1:54 utc | 154 @ aristodemos 58 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 23 2022 2:00 utc | 155 Re Murz/Morozov, he is a very respected DPR personality, Posted by: pesec | Dec 23 2022 2:03 utc | 156 abrogard | Dec 22 2022 23:42 utc | 133 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 2:03 utc | 157 Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 22 2022 19:57 utc | 88 Posted by: Anne B | Dec 23 2022 2:07 utc | 158 Maria Zakharova as only she can do:
I hope that generated a few smiles. What a wit! @ Posted by: Woke American | Dec 22 2022 23:52 utc | 137 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 23 2022 2:14 utc | 160 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 23 2022 1:36 utc | 151 Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 23 2022 2:24 utc | 161 @ Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 22 2022 15:22 utc | 5 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 23 2022 2:37 utc | 163
I was recently suspended for making a politically incorrect sarcastic remark to John Brennan’s defense of Anthony Fauci. I had avoided Twitter for years until recently. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 23 2022 2:53 utc | 164 Woke American @ 137 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 3:00 utc | 165 @ Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 22 2022 23:13 utc | 131 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 23 2022 3:05 utc | 166 Dan Farrand @139 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 3:09 utc | 167 Karlof1@ 145 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 3:16 utc | 168 Haassaan | Dec 23 2022 2:24 utc | 161 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 3:24 utc | 169 Bronco Billy @ 160 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 3:35 utc | 170 @ yound 20 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 23 2022 3:38 utc | 171 Melaleuca @169 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 23 2022 3:41 utc | 172 Memes Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 3:47 utc | 173 Re: Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 22 2022 15:39 utc | 9 Posted by: Julian | Dec 23 2022 4:17 utc | 174 @Posted by: Outraged | Dec 22 2022 15:39 utc | 10 Posted by: FVK | Dec 23 2022 4:22 utc | 175 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 3:24 utc | 169 Posted by: Laurence | Dec 23 2022 4:22 utc | 176 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 23 2022 2:14 utc | 160 Posted by: eskimo | Dec 23 2022 4:24 utc | 177 More Than Half of House Republicans Didn’t Attend Zelensky’s Address Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 4:26 utc | 178 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 23 2022 3:38 utc | 171 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 23 2022 4:37 utc | 179 Thanks to Roger | Dec 22 2022 19:05 utc | 67, Posted by: juliania | Dec 23 2022 4:50 utc | 180 [Sputnik]Russia Ready to Cut Oil Production as Response Measure to Oil Price Cap, Deputy Prime Minister Says
Posted by: Laurence | Dec 23 2022 5:07 utc | 181
Posted by: ? | Dec 23 2022 5:36 utc | 182 It’s the winter of the great white wolf right now in Dakota land. Both interstate highways in South Dakota are closed outside of Sioux Falls. That’s about 550 miles of road. I wish I could send this nasty cold and blizzard like weather to Ukraine so after it passes the Rus can execute an general offensive after their Orthodox Christmas. I think they really need to do something dramatic soon before the fucks in DC do even more really stupid things. My elected people to the Congress (2 senators and 1 House rep) are toady ass kissers. Maybe the goofs here in state will get more of a clue of the collapse of “their” government if the DC establishment suffered a major international defeat that would make Afghanistan look like kids play. We will take care of our own here, as far as I’m concerned DC can disappear… Posted by: DakotaRog | Dec 23 2022 5:50 utc | 183 So much good stuff on MoA in the Comments, as usual. I quoted “oldhippie” in my new article on substanck. “Ukraine: the Endgame”. And linked to Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 23 2022 6:08 utc | 184 @Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 22 2022 21:52 utc | 117
Look at a map. Ukraine borders Moldova with or without considering Transnistria. Transnistria occupies only the left bank of the Dniester. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 23 2022 6:18 utc | 185 Anyone else notice that Mercouris’ videos are getting longer and longer as nothing is basically changing in Ukraine? Today’s ran 1 hour, 18 minutes, which is the longest (outside of The Duran videos, of course) I’ve seen. You get 15 minutes of battle update, then some time spent on whoever said what on a given day, then half an hour of “what does it all mean” – which is the same every day, basically. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 23 2022 6:22 utc | 186 @Peter AU1 | Dec 22 2022 23:08 utc | 130
You may want to consider Alexander Mercouris’ take on that in the latest live stream together with Garland Nixon Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 23 2022 6:34 utc | 187 @karlof1 | Dec 23 2022 2:14 utc | 159
Maria Zakharova is the sharpest tongue around. So funny, so serious and so correct! Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 23 2022 7:03 utc | 188 In response to Richard Steven Hack@186, Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 23 2022 7:10 utc | 189 @Skiffer | Dec 23 2022 7:10 utc | 189 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 23 2022 7:28 utc | 190 Skiffer | Dec 23 2022 7:10 utc | 189 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 23 2022 7:46 utc | 191 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 23 2022 1:36 utc | 151 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 23 2022 8:21 utc | 192 @Likklemore 144 Posted by: Woke American | Dec 23 2022 8:35 utc | 193 @BroncoBilly 160 Posted by: Woke American | Dec 23 2022 9:00 utc | 194 @aristodemos 165 Posted by: Woke American | Dec 23 2022 9:13 utc | 195 Posted by: bevin | Dec 22 2022 18:45 utc | 59 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 23 2022 9:21 utc | 196 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 22 2022 23:13 utc | 131 Posted by: Exile | Dec 23 2022 9:40 utc | 197 Posted by Brother Ma 179 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 23 2022 9:46 utc | 198 NYT Dec 22 has an extensive report on the results of a investigation on mass killings of civilians in Bucha.
Not sure what to make of it. Straight up concocted story or a legitimate investigation with real evidence? Posted by: krypton | Dec 23 2022 10:00 utc | 199 |
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