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December 20, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-230
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 20:00 utc | 45
His current linked in profile probably doesn’t tell us anything salient that hasn’t already been confirmed. It is know from his attendance of the San Diego ROTC ceremony that he is physically fit, no obvious injuries. Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 10:10 utc | 101 anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 10:10 utc | 100 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 21 2022 10:37 utc | 102 uncle tungsten | Dec 21 2022 8:29 utc | 96 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 21 2022 10:47 utc | 103 ⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine Posted by: summary | Dec 21 2022 10:56 utc | 104 Looks like US lost another 3 M-777 guns. Pretty soon they will have nothing but Himars to fight the front line artillery war, but instead the Himars is being used to terrorize cities in the rear. There’s no practical way to counter that, unfortunately. Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2022 11:00 utc | 105
His name is Ret. General Trevor Cadieu and he was formally charged with sexual assault in June 2022, for incidents dating back to 1994. He retired from the military in April but was assisting in Ukraine. He stated to the media he was returning to Canada to face the charges. Retired General Rick Hillier went to Ukraine to take over his role, which is reported to be in charge of the logistics of getting outside weapons to secure locations inside the country. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 21 2022 11:19 utc | 106 Problem with Dima videos lately (for months), is they should now be 1-2 minutes. Instead he is stretching Posted by: C | Dec 21 2022 11:20 utc | 107 unimperator | Dec 21 2022 11:00 utc | 105 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 12:28 utc | 108 Re: Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 12:28 utc | 108 Posted by: Julian | Dec 21 2022 12:46 utc | 109 Re: Donetsk shelling Posted by: osi | Dec 21 2022 12:57 utc | 110 WWI era dual water-cooled Maxim machine guns on AA pintle mounts … AFU Air Defense …
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 21 2022 13:10 utc | 111 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 13:38 utc | 112 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 12:28 utc | 108 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 21 2022 13:44 utc | 113 @Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 21 2022 10:37 utc | 102 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 13:51 utc | 114 Those indigenous people of remote Australia, that still have their culture and language have been so fucked over it would take a book to describe. Posted by: Chas | Dec 21 2022 13:55 utc | 115 RF forces are celebrating the 301-st day of their 3-day SMO by capturing the buildings of the KNAUF Gypsum factory and the entire Molodizhna Avenue. Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Dec 21 2022 13:58 utc | 116 There have been announcements of extra himar deliveries. This implies that some have been lost. The US has a calculation that says how many and what weapon systems will keep ukraine in the fight but not win it. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 21 2022 13:58 utc | 117 Washington Post Hit Job – Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 21 2022 14:02 utc | 118 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 21 2022 13:44 utc | 113 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 14:06 utc | 119 Biswapriya Purkayast #3 Posted by: annie | Dec 21 2022 14:14 utc | 120 @ Brother Ma | Dec 21 2022 13:44 utc | 113 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 21 2022 14:15 utc | 121 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 12:28 utc | 108 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 21 2022 15:02 utc | 122 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 21 2022 14:15 utc | 121 “Denying GPS signal and a radio link back to HIMARS,” Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:13 utc | 123 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 20 2022 16:31 utc | 3 Posted by: annie | Dec 21 2022 14:14 utc | 120 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:16 utc | 124 The Ukrainian Embassy hosted a reception last week in honor of the 31st anniversary of the country’s armed services. Events like this are part of the social calendar of Washington’s smart set, with hobnobbing diplomats, think tankers, journalists, and US officials. Guests took photos with the Ukrainian ambassador. Even Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley showed up. Posted by: jodoy72560 | Dec 21 2022 15:38 utc | 125 The Ukrainian Embassy hosted a reception last week in honor of the 31st anniversary of the country’s armed services. Events like this are part of the social calendar of Washington’s smart set, with hobnobbing diplomats, think tankers, journalists, and US officials. Guests took photos with the Ukrainian ambassador. Even Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley showed up. Posted by: jodoy72560 | Dec 21 2022 15:38 utc | 126 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:16 utc | 124 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 15:42 utc | 127 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 15:42 utc | 127 “It is blatantly obvious” Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:53 utc | 128
Prior to the surrender and evacuation at Azovstal, it was widely reported that there were at least 6 foreign languages being used in electronic communications and numerous NATO personnel along with many civilians. Russia’s strategy was to wait (starve) them out, which meant they had to provide resources to monitor the facility and block extraction attempts 24/7. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 21 2022 16:24 utc | 129 Pepe Escobar at his VK informs us that his appearance on RT’s CrossTalk: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 4:30 utc | 72 Posted by: cirsium | Dec 21 2022 16:44 utc | 131 Putin speech today at Ministry of Defence. Here’s Putin’s initial statement:
There’s quite a lot more as Shoigu gives his report then the transcript says it is to be continued. More on all that later. @ Down South | Dec 21 2022 9:56 utc | 100 Posted by: james | Dec 21 2022 16:52 utc | 133 @ Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:13 utc | 123 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 21 2022 16:55 utc | 134 My take on the Himar attacks: Posted by: Woke American | Dec 21 2022 16:59 utc | 135 Melaleuca @72– thanks karlof1. I knew your translation would be appearing soon. Posted by: cirsium | Dec 21 2022 17:08 utc | 137 . . .and from the media, ever faithful to the masters of our fates– Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:13 utc | 138 Putin recognizes military problems and acts on them, as a lesson to US presidents who have never done anything besides supporting failed flag officers. Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:17 utc | 139 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:13 utc | 138 Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 21 2022 17:20 utc | 140 I suspect that Zelensky’s PR “news” stories will be most effective in motivating Russia and Russians. . .’I’m mad as hell and not taking it any more.’ Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:29 utc | 141
Posted by: ? | Dec 21 2022 17:30 utc | 142 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 21 2022 16:49 utc | 132 Posted by: juliania | Dec 21 2022 17:33 utc | 143 I’m listening to Mercouris on YouTube — 21 December:”Russia advance on Kupiansk …” Posted by: KR | Dec 21 2022 17:36 utc | 144 @ 144 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:42 utc | 145 Putin in his speach actually agreed with many russian war correspondents – drones, precision artillery, decision making structures, stagnation in military hierachy, night-vision equipment were the issues that were found there, in the Telegram posts and reports practically from the moment the SMO started. Posted by: js | Dec 21 2022 17:49 utc | 146 from the White House, yesterday. . .
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:49 utc | 147 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:53 utc | 128 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 17:56 utc | 148 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 17:42 utc | 145 Posted by: kr | Dec 21 2022 17:58 utc | 149 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 21 2022 16:49 utc | 132 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 21 2022 18:01 utc | 150 Does anyone have any comment to make about the USA supply of Lockheed M30A1 tungsten cluster munitions to Ukraine since october? Posted by: olaf22 | Dec 21 2022 18:07 utc | 151 from WaPo . .packed with symbolism
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 18:10 utc | 152 @ 151 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 18:14 utc | 153 @ 153 Posted by: olaf22 | Dec 21 2022 18:42 utc | 154 https://t.me/censor_net/21883 Posted by: Arioch | Dec 21 2022 18:44 utc | 155
The phrase I put in bold reminded me of the book The Yes Men: The True Story of the End of the World Trade Organization. So as not to spill the beans, I won’t elaborate on the connection. But I suspect that many of the regulars at MoA would appreciate the book. Posted by: David Levin | Dec 21 2022 18:53 utc | 156 @ olaf22 | Dec 21 2022 18:42 utc | 154 Posted by: james | Dec 21 2022 18:58 utc | 157 Thanks for the replies! I had a hiatus–exercise class–and now I see b has posted a new article. I’ll post Shoigu’s Report and Putin’s remarkable closing speech to that thread. Senate confirms new ambassador to Russia ahead of Zelensky address
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 20:58 utc | 159 . . .from Newsweek
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 21 2022 21:03 utc | 160 404: one obsessive death cult Posted by: Arioch | Dec 21 2022 22:55 utc | 161 Zelensky is expected to address a joint chamber of Congress at 7:30 p.m. ET. Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 22 2022 0:12 utc | 162 Re: Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 15:16 utc | 124
Why would Russia keep it secret? Posted by: Julian | Dec 22 2022 0:19 utc | 163 The comedy hour at CNN featuring a US administration which is helpless to end a war it started. Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 22 2022 0:42 utc | 164 During the time Zelensky was gone playing the hero, I estimate Ukraine may have lost the equivalent of two battalions. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 22 2022 1:51 utc | 165 Brother Ma @113
Some time ago I saw a vid of the Himars firing from the road, right from within the traffic jam that this operation had created. So, yes, they are very hard to catch and deal with properly. Posted by: Nomad | Dec 22 2022 2:03 utc | 166 Below is the Reuters posting title and opening quote to Z’s plea to the US CongressCritters
Maybe the focus will change but fear/security is the story for the moment. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 22 2022 2:06 utc | 167 Translated from Russian FYI, MOD Summary Dec22.
Translated from Russian FYI, SITREP Dec22.
Translated from Russian FYIFYI, SITREP2 Dec22.
Note: Qty x 1 (Yes, One only) Patriot Battery (That’s 8 launch tubes, likely older PAC2 series, training requirement for minimum marginal competency is ~6 months)
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No roast pheasant under glass, no chicken either, & NO Abrams MBTs, for you !
No roast pheasant under glass, no chicken either, & NO Abrams MBTs, for you !
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 22 2022 12:17 utc | 171 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 22 2022 13:42 utc | 174 Posted by: Outraged | Dec 22 2022 13:05 utc | 172 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 22 2022 13:53 utc | 175 @Richard Steven Hack 93 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 22 2022 14:33 utc | 176 Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 21 2022 14:06 utc | 119 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 22 2022 15:00 utc | 177 @ Hermit | Dec 22 2022 14:33 utc | 176 Posted by: james | Dec 22 2022 16:32 utc | 178 |
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