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December 20, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-230
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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In a month of 1000 Sundays, can’t make this up:
Just leave it there. There is no applicable descriptor in any language. Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 20 2022 16:27 utc | 1 So it appears that with zaluzny talking about Russian strength it appears that the Donetsk front is moving, at long last. Im guessing Zaluzhy meant he was leaving front line troops in while using reinforcements to build reserves. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 20 2022 16:30 utc | 2 This is a comment by user “Marman” I found on a site whose name begins with z and even mention of which seems verboten on MoA:
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 20 2022 16:31 utc | 3 I was mulling over the atrocious behaviour of the Leaders of the collective West compared to that of those in the Middle East, Asia and the RoW. It seems to me the reason Putin and Xijing Ping are welcomed so warmly and respectfully is because they are honourable, intelligent and trustworthy Presidents who are trying to build a fairer and better world. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Dec 20 2022 16:35 utc | 4 Zelensky visits besieged Ukrainian city on frontline amid heavy fighting
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 20 2022 16:51 utc | 5 Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 20 2022 16:27 utc | 1 Posted by: Paco | Dec 20 2022 16:59 utc | 6 “Russia could resume business with Germany if it ends Ukraine war – Scholtz” Posted by: Passerby | Dec 20 2022 17:05 utc | 7 The EU elites for(the sake) their people need a little elbow space. That can be gained if supposedly all spectrum of politicos in France start demanding ww2 reparations from Germany and going slow on aid to Ukr. The ones in power can say that and if they are pressured or bought in order not to persist with it, the ones not in power can take up the slack, that would cause the ones in power to again take up the matter. In this manner the charade? bickering? can be continued. Following France’s lead other euro nations can join the diatribe. France need not be the first state to start this. Of course everybody knows that it is only for creating some breathing living space for themselves. More space to bickering, less space to complying to US diktats. Only saying. Posted by: RealBeast | Dec 20 2022 17:10 utc | 8 Life in the trenches for Russian forces is as bad or worse than conditions of the AFU… and morale not much better, assuming this account is representative. “We were allowed to be slaughtered” Posted by: Posa | Dec 20 2022 17:15 utc | 9
Cloutier was never captured, he had documented public appearances in the west after the false claim was made. Western military tradition does not put Generals near the front lines. With pervasive instant electronic communications and remote sensing there is no need. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 17:31 utc | 10 Was the Zelensky “visit to Bakhmut” filmed on a Hollywood lot or at the U.S. White House film stage? Posted by: kupkee | Dec 20 2022 17:32 utc | 11 Posted by: Posa | Dec 20 2022 17:15 utc | 9 Posted by: LuBa | Dec 20 2022 17:36 utc | 12 @ Jo Dominich | Dec 20 2022 16:35 utc | 4
Priceless. Cheers. @Posa Posted by: JT | Dec 20 2022 17:36 utc | 14 Tom_12 | Dec 20 2022 16:00 utc | 289
How generous of Mr. Scholz. Rather than offering charity, why didn’t he make a push for gas delivery via the remaining tube of North Stream 2, as the Kremlin has offered. Up to 27.5 million cubic meters per year, we need it badly. Posted by: grunzt | Dec 20 2022 17:39 utc | 15 Haha guys check out Arnold Schwarzenegger’s take on the war, I swear they got this propaganda thing down lol Posted by: Dan | Dec 20 2022 17:59 utc | 16 @Posa Posted by: OnceWere | Dec 20 2022 18:00 utc | 17 ⚡️ (https://t.me/readovkanews/49304)🇷🇺🇺🇦⛓ Two Officers of the AFU’s 80th Landing Brigade, whose Militants shot the Russian Military in the LPR, were taken Prisoner⚡️ Posted by: unimperator | Dec 20 2022 18:06 utc | 18 Whatever your opinion these are definitive interviews with Sachs and MacGregor, both interviewees here have honed their message, are succinct and on point also good comprehensive length too. Kudos to the Duran guys for such a good job. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 20 2022 18:11 utc | 19 zelensky in Bakhmut at the frontline. Alive Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 20 2022 18:20 utc | 20 @ Jo Dominich | Dec 20 2022 16:35 utc | 4 Posted by: Engineer-John | Dec 20 2022 18:22 utc | 21 If Russian soldiers are in the battlefield with cellphones I’m switching sides and best of luck to Ukraine. That’s facetious and no way I believe Russians are on unsecure phones or coms with their families bitching. Not saying life for them might not be as bad as for the Ukrainians but if so the Guardian doesn’t know crap about it. People really need to round out their education maybe read Scoop by Evelyn Waugh to get the picture before they go posting silly msm hype. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 20 2022 18:23 utc | 22 @ LuBa | Dec 20 2022 17:36 utc | 12 LightYearsFromHome | Dec 20 2022 18:23 utc | 22 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 20 2022 18:31 utc | 24 Sadly lacking of course is open source re-development plans for the region. The NATO-stan version appears to be Monsanto-Bayer glyphosphate-Roundup chemical agriculture with BlackRock to run it (a la Imperial Valley of California with one of the lowest per capita incomes of California). Russia seems rather mum, hopes of a bro-mance like with Byelorussia is not going to happen in Western Ukraine. Suffice to say, the devil is in the details. Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 20 2022 18:39 utc | 25 Cloutier was never captured … Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 20 2022 18:39 utc | 26 Sometimes I worry the empire actually has its shit together then I see something like this. That Arnold video is the best recruitment ad to join the RF army imaginable, they should not fear to run it on Russian TV. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 20 2022 18:41 utc | 27 @Jo Dominich 4 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 20 2022 18:44 utc | 28 ZH has a posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 20 2022 18:44 utc | 29 Today, Putin had the honor to preside over the ceremony awarding Russia’s highest state awards to their recipients. I read some of the initial text then viewed the 32 photos of the event, which was held in the Catherine Hall of the Kremlin. I then did a search for that hall and found a photo tour of that part of the Kremlin. At least one of the awardees mentioned the reliefs that adorn the walls in the hall which can be seen in photo #2. To work in such a museum must be a humbling experience even for someone as coarse as Stalin or Khrushchev. I’m very pleased they weren’t ruined by the American Barbarians during the 1990s and suffered the fate the British visited upon the Greeks. Picture 21 shows the Order of Courage being awarded to the correspondent head of the WarGonzo project Semyon Pegov, someone who is supposedly controversial. Twenty-two people were awarded, several of which will return to the front. @Jo Dominich, #4: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 20 2022 18:50 utc | 31 Don Bacon @5 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 20 2022 19:10 utc | 32 Poseur @9 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 20 2022 19:14 utc | 33 Why is Dima (military summary) losing respect on this site? Posted by: Kerensky | Dec 20 2022 19:24 utc | 34 Paxmark1@25 Posted by: aristodemos | Dec 20 2022 19:26 utc | 35 The Interview with Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Sergey Vershinin to Rossiya Segodnya News Agency, December 20, 2022, touches mostly on human rights and legal issues facing Russia and Russians. Here’s one excerpt I find particularly disgusting:
Griner was properly arrested for smuggling illegal substances and would have suffered arrest in many states within the Outlaw US Empire, Georgia being one of those as my wife reminded me last night. Very Big Money campaigned very hard to get her traded for Bout, but it took months for that Big Money to tell the truth about Griner. Most importantly, she admitted her guilt, making it clear she wasn’t framed as Russian’s are by the Empire. @ LightYearsFromHome | Dec 20 2022 18:41 utc | 27 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 20 2022 19:34 utc | 37 Kerensky | Dec 20 2022 19:24 utc | 34 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 20 2022 19:37 utc | 38
LOL indeed, using an Austrian to make a sales pitch to Russians is pretty funny. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 19:38 utc | 39 In Chinese name protocol, last name comes first. … In Western protocol, last name appears in the rear, Posted by: laguerre | Dec 20 2022 19:40 utc | 40 Posted by: OnceWere | Dec 20 2022 18:00 utc | 17 “Listening in to a cell phone is not simply a matter of tuning a radio to the right frequency” Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 20 2022 19:48 utc | 41 Nazi’s and Ukraine Jews joined at the hip. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 20 2022 19:52 utc | 42 Don Bacon | Dec 20 2022 16:51 utc | 5 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 20 2022 19:54 utc | 43 @whirlX, #37: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 20 2022 19:57 utc | 44
If the Senior Management of the US military responded to every false claim, it would only encourage more false claims. This one, apparently from the troll army, was likely deemed “not worthy of response”. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 20:00 utc | 45 “A Ukrainian Embassy reception, sponsored by America’s biggest weapons makers.” (Merchants of Death logos printed on invitation.) Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 20 2022 20:03 utc | 46 “Ukraine’s Azov Regiment visits Israel: ‘Mariupol is our Masada’ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 20 2022 20:04 utc | 47 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 20 2022 20:04 utc | 47 Posted by: laguerre | Dec 20 2022 20:18 utc | 48 Dan@16 and Opport Knocks@39 Posted by: Objective Observer | Dec 20 2022 20:21 utc | 49 MUD: The 14 day weather forcast in Donetsk City does not show a day HI below freezing until January 4th. With the daily low temperatures being around freezing, the higher day temperture means the ground does not freeze solid. Posted by: young | Dec 20 2022 20:25 utc | 50 “As for the beaten and battered Ukrainian army being able to overcome logistical nightmares and resupply their forces in Bakhmut” Posted by: Fnord73 | Dec 20 2022 20:26 utc | 51 “Does it seem more likely that Ukrainian-provided cell intercepts are recorded to a script in a basement in Kiev or that people are risking their lives on the frontline to capture essentially worthless human interest intelligence that could just as easily be faked ? Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 20 2022 20:30 utc | 52 Posted by: whirlX | Dec 20 2022 19:34 utc | 37 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 20 2022 20:32 utc | 53
The RF Military banned the use of personal cell phones in the conflict zone since the start. Even among the Chechen units and Wagner, they are rare. The LPR and DPR forces sometimes had them, but I suspect they are now banned as well. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 20:41 utc | 54 Posted by: laguerre | Dec 20 2022 19:40 utc | 40
Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t know that. Learned something. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 20 2022 21:24 utc | 55 Posted by: Posa | Dec 20 2022 17:15 utc
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 20 2022 21:30 utc | 56 Dan @ 16: Video is 9 months old. Even our Austro-German ‘hero’ may be disabused of this position by now. Posted by: Paul Spencer | Dec 20 2022 21:40 utc | 57 meh, Posted by: Macpott | Dec 20 2022 21:42 utc | 58 Andrei Martyanov makes another comment about some of the “analysts” talking about the war on the pro-Russian side, in this case “Wargonzo”:
I agree, and this applies to people like Strelkov and a lot of commentators here (including me). Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 1:28 utc | 59 Opport Knocks | Dec 20 2022 20:41 utc | 54 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 21 2022 1:38 utc | 60 Yes, MoA was down for me for perhaps an hour. Tried doing the post I put in the Iran thread a couple hours ago, it failed with one of those weird messages, then the site wouldn’t load after several tries, so I gave up and came back a short while ago. At first, I thought it was a DNS issue. Thankfully it seems we’re back to normal. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 1:44 utc | 61 https://www.globalresearch.ca/this-dc-party-invite-shows-all-money-made-off-ukraine-war/5802651 Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 21 2022 2:19 utc | 62 MoA was unavailable for me today for about 4 hours and typepad was having sketchy/unavailable problems itself during that time Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2022 2:26 utc | 63 Lol, about Arnold. I remember him in Red Heat, as Moscow Militia Captain Ivan Danko, with James Belushi. I liked how in was filmed on location in Chicago, and movies filmed on location are a lot more rare these days. The overseas parts were filmed in Budapest, and Austria. Posted by: Babel-17 | Dec 21 2022 2:33 utc | 64 RSH @59– Excellent coverage as per usual b! Posted by: NJH | Dec 21 2022 3:10 utc | 66 Posa @ 9:
When the source of these mobile phone calls between soldiers and their families is Ukrainian, there’s something smelling very strongly of rotten rodents about the whole article. Posted by: Jen | Dec 21 2022 3:14 utc | 67 Posa @ 9: Posted by: Jen | Dec 21 2022 3:23 utc | 68 The ukie domestic propaganda meme at the start of the SMO was that Ruskies were so poor and backwards they didn’t have phones or electrical appliances so they were looting them from Ukraine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 21 2022 3:41 utc | 69 Fnord73@51… how’s about you nip over there and report back. You are right though, they are still there, leg here, hand there, little bits and pieces, everywhere. Check out the video feeds, gruesome if that’s your taste. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 21 2022 3:50 utc | 70 “But then you have to decrypt it.” Posted by: OnceWere | Dec 21 2022 4:27 utc | 71 Kerensky | Dec 20 2022 19:24 utc | 34 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 4:30 utc | 72 On TASS this morning (the twentieth): Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 21 2022 4:38 utc | 73 Elmagnostic | Dec 21 2022 4:38 utc | 72 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 4:50 utc | 74 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 21 2022 2:40 utc | 65 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 4:52 utc | 75 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 4:30 utc | 71 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 5:06 utc | 76 melaleuca 21224:30@71 Posted by: emersonreturn | Dec 21 2022 5:06 utc | 77 The logic of nazism leads to genocide. It’s embarrassing that the neo-Nazi politics of USUKIS is able to point the finger at those fighting against genocide in Ukraine as being the ones doing genocide. Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2022 5:11 utc | 78 @68 Peter AU1 Posted by: NJH | Dec 21 2022 5:43 utc | 79 @ 77 Posted by: Giyane | Dec 21 2022 5:46 utc | 80
Posted by: Down South | Dec 21 2022 5:49 utc | 81
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https://t.me/azmilitary11/31400 Posted by: Down South | Dec 21 2022 5:52 utc | 83
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/25709 Posted by: Down South | Dec 21 2022 5:58 utc | 84 I am reading that Z is coming to the US and going to speak before the CongressCritters. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 21 2022 6:51 utc | 85 Melaleuca #71 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 21 2022 6:53 utc | 86 Zelensky to appear before US Congress today, or a cunning plan do depose him? Or both? Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 21 2022 6:59 utc | 87 Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 20 2022 18:39 utc | 26 Posted by: Mary | Dec 21 2022 7:14 utc | 88 Posted by: Down South | Dec 21 2022 5:50 utc | 81 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 7:45 utc | 89 Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 4:30 utc | 71 Posted by: js | Dec 21 2022 7:46 utc | 90 @Posa Posted by: Lysa | Dec 21 2022 7:57 utc | 91 js | Dec 21 2022 7:46 utc | 89 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 21 2022 8:14 utc | 92 Posted by: js | Dec 21 2022 7:46 utc | 89 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 8:16 utc | 93 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Dec 21 2022 8:14 utc | 91 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 21 2022 8:17 utc | 94 Xi Jinping met with Dmitry Medvedev, today, in Beijing Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 21 2022 8:20 utc | 95 The domino effect….
More on many topics at anti-spiegel.ru
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 21 2022 8:21 utc | 96 Melaleuca #94
Wong to Wang :- Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 21 2022 8:29 utc | 97 Bakhmut, a deadly show. Posted by: La Bastille | Dec 21 2022 8:44 utc | 98 That was before Kherson was solemnly proclaimed to be sacred Russian soil. Posted by: rk | Dec 21 2022 9:38 utc | 99 Just a heads up. Posted by: Down South | Dec 21 2022 9:56 utc | 100 |
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