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December 11, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-222

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Posted by: logosApplied | Dec 11 2022 19:34 utc | 86
Ukroreich is nothing like the nazi Wehrmacht. It was initially a pretty powerful force, second most powerful in Europe probably but has degenerated into drug addicts, forced conscripts, poor leadership and tactics, unorganized, not self-sustainable force (I mean try running head against a wall everyday and see how it feels, and why continue it). Everything is completely reverse from peak Wehrmacht. AFAIK the original officer corps is simply gone, and now replaced by Nato officers, I mean, volunteers.
Whether Nato can muster another army (this one is now the second full army they have built and well spent by now), I kind of doubt it. The official numbers are far too low. It all depends how may new recruits they can still throw in “delay” actions. Russians don’t even advance, Ukraine “delays” by doing these small diversionary advances for seemingly no purpose.
Well, who knows – they managed to produce a small surprise in Kharkov, maybe they’ll do so again but the available data doesn’t support it.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 20:31 utc | 101

fix bolding?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2022 20:34 utc | 102

I am shocked, shocked to find out that the Ribbentrop-Molotov carving board is alive, well, and claiming its newest carcass to be butchered: Ukraine.
Old Merkel whore whoring Ukraine over to her Bolshoi pimp
(… in exchange for cheap gas = total Kraut Kontrol of the EU)
Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Dec 11 2022 15:41 utc | 21
Well, now that you got that off your chest you can crawl into you little snake hole and shed your skin.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 20:39 utc | 103

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2022 19:20 utc | 81 “Belgrade prevailed in that conflict. UNSC 1244 my friend”
The Serb Army prevailed by leaving Kosovo? NATO’s KFOR hasn’t spent the 20+ years there?

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 11 2022 20:42 utc | 104

Posted by: logosApplied | Dec 11 2022 19:34 utc | 86
IMHO, the Wehrmacht spine was broken by the Belarussian offensive of June 22nd, 1944 – also named “Bagration Operation”. It inflicted around 600,000 casualties to the German Center Army Group while cutting off the German North Army Group from the rest of main German forces, keeping them useless and corraled into Kurland up to their capitulation on may 9th 1945.
Stalingrad was a terrible setback, a blow that stopped for good the attempts at seizing the Caucasus oil but Manstein’s counter strikes in early 1943 dealt terrible punches to the Red Army, which suffered losses that made them even (more or less) with the loss of 6th German Army.
Kursk was the second setback for the German army after Hitler stopped it against the advice of Manstein (the third if one includes the defense of Moscow in 41).
But as late as in the 1944 spring the German were still able to hold their lines in eastern Europe, including parts of Ukraine or Belarus, giving some painful counterpunches to soviet offensives (see the two battles of Targu Frumos in Romania for example).
After Bagration there was nothing but crumbling back painfully to Hitler’s bunker.
The rhythm was then given by Red Army logistical capabilities, which were huge but not unlimited.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 11 2022 20:51 utc | 105

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 11 2022 17:59 utc | 65
Given the lack of US personnel on board, I would have thought that the most likely targets for a Russian strike on the provision of US Intel is probably either an unmanned Global Hawk drone or a US satellite.
As discussed here previously, Russian reluctance to use its full EW suite could well be due to them keeping their full capabilities hidden in case of a full NATO attack.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 11 2022 20:52 utc | 106

The Serb Army prevailed by leaving Kosovo? NATO’s KFOR hasn’t spent the 20+ years there?
Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 11 2022 20:42 utc | 102
That is true Bill; in other words, they lost: Resolution 1244/1999 and 1244/2007 were not a victory for Serbia, it was an agreement to end hostilities, more or less on US / NATO terms. Witness the big US/NATO base in Kosovo, Camp Bondsteel.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 20:57 utc | 107

After Bagration there was nothing but crumbling back painfully to Hitler’s bunker.
The rhythm was then given by Red Army logistical capabilities, which were huge but not unlimited.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 11 2022 20:51 utc | 103
Also helping the Russians was the flow of information from Bletchley Park Enigma intercepts, both official and via the likes of Philby.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 11 2022 20:57 utc | 108

Patrick Boyle’s examination of fraudsters makes me think of Zelensky.
Here
Besides its a good laugh for a bleak topic.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 11 2022 21:05 utc | 109

B9K9 @13
I’m from the country whose gas pipelines were destroyed by the yanks. I wonder what the world has to gain from a yankee victory over the CCP. I’d actually prefer to see the Chinese win. They are a people of culture. They have a way of developing countries in Africa and Latin America without bancrupting them and making them dependant.

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 11 2022 21:05 utc | 110

Good evening,
I’m reading all your valuable opinions with much interest for a while but here is my first post mainly linked to #16 #42. Sorry for my poor english. I’m french but I spent 12 years on the payroll of one of the past « most admired US company » before it was ousted of S&P500 a couple of years later.
I share point of # 16 that macron lacks of personal qualifications, himself proved that in so many occasions for more than 5 years now. He has no family, no children, no friends he is only spiteful. He is not a political leader but a toy poodle of german and US leaders. He is strong with the weak people and weak in front of the leaders (remember the 10 months old pic where Putin debunked him, letting him sit alone at the opposite side of a 6m long table….).
However at 2017’s presidential election, with the support of the MSM, macron well managed to oust Fillon who was the designated leader of the center-right party (who was also a specimen of crook). Anyway, just to note that at that time Fillon was seconded by a guy named Eric Ciotti.
Although MSM and others bet on his opponent and expecting that this party would become the crutch of Macron’s troops, today, Ciotti now a right-wing hardliner, was elected as leader of the les Republicain’s party. Macron will hence be deprived of the additional support he was expecting at french National Assembly.
Moreover, among other things, Ciotti already said : Je prône une nouvelle amitié avec la Russie. Je refuse le suivisme atlantiste. Nos ennemis sont les islamistes, pas les Russes ! L’intervention russe en Syrie a été déterminante face à l’Etat islamique.» » I advocate a new friendship with Russia. I reject any blind conformity with altanticism.Our ennemies are the islamisc fundamentalists, not the russians.
Is he going to implement what he said ? What’s going to be the left and Macron’s reactions ? Is that going to influence the french position vis à vis Russia and Ukraine war ?Time will tell !

Posted by: Baerenkopf | Dec 11 2022 21:05 utc | 111

The US has sold 366 Abrams tanks to Poland. Call me sceptic. The contract might just be a way for the US to claim innocence when the tanks end up in Ukraine.

Posted by: Passerby | Dec 11 2022 21:10 utc | 112

NeoFeudal (39)
“The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s.”
Patton was mostly talk, fighting a second-rate German Army because the Russians were demolishing Adolf’s Finest on the Eastern Front.
The T34 tank, by far the best and most economic weapon on either side, and the Katyusha Rocket, Soviet-made, were of the best weapons that defeated the German Army.
Patton the Movie, was utter nonsense.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 11 2022 21:14 utc | 113

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39
Patton died in 1945
Churchill lost power in 1945
so their ghosts would roll up the ussr in the fifties
at least know your history

Posted by: slippery | Dec 11 2022 21:20 utc | 114

“I don’t think the propaganda is as intense in this land of free speech”
JESSdTruth… oh my… you need to study your history of propaganda. The USA have been the world’s leader in propaganda for over a hundred years. Goebbels just copied the Americans. Bernays even brings it up in his autobiography.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Dec 11 2022 21:27 utc | 115

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 19:01 utc | 79
Brexit is a process, not an event. We’re not very far into it yet, because it has been opposed, undermined, watered down, evaded, obfuscated and sidelined by bad faith parliamentarians and civil servants of all stripes. It’s up to the voters to decide how much they care about having UK policy dictated to them by foreign powers, and their fishing grounds hoovered bare by foreign factory ships. Time will tell.
To put it in perspective, the outcome so far is not half as bad as the way the Ukrainian electorate was cheated out of what they voted for when they elected Zelensky.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 21:33 utc | 116

Merkel had no influence.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 14:38 utc | 7

Not sure what image any practicing politicians would prefer: one of treacherous but dangerous and influencung evil overload, or one of inept universally locked goody-two-doormats.
I can imagine Merkel and her wingmen prefered to be seen controvercial rather than junk.

Posted by: Arioch | Dec 11 2022 21:34 utc | 117

Patton died in 1945
Churchill lost power in 1945
so their ghosts would roll up the ussr in the fifties
at least know your history
Posted by: slippery | Dec 11 2022 21:20 utc | 113
Talking about knowing your history, Churchill was PM again from 51 to 55.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 21:36 utc | 118

In my mind more US weapons and facilities going to Poland is a sort of slow creep into the war. Much needs to be prepared.
EU digs out millions to prepare rail for military use
As such the US would never get involved unless all was in place and that will take quite some time. In the meantime they are slowly moving in that direction. They are using their Ukrainian pawns to take assessment of Russian capabilities. It could be that they hope this initial phase will tire the Russian population like what happened to US with the Vietnam experience.
The all draft army was a pain in the ass for the US military in Nam. They know what it entails politically and socially. A 10 year war is nothing for these guys, gals, and alt gender types.
The goal is all the same for all the leadership in the west. Gain control of Russian resources for the New York and London capitalist class. I would hate to be their target as they have much chaos they can rain down on you.

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 11 2022 21:37 utc | 119

@ bar
Has it occurred to anyone that Merkel is compromised and could be lying about her past intentions with Minsk.? This is not to absolve her in any way, but is this not possible?
If she is lying she deserves the Gaslighter of the Year award for undermining trust (or trying to) among the Axis powers retrospectively.

Posted by: K | Dec 11 2022 21:39 utc | 120

#2-#16
I’m wondering what means the recent German leaders last stances ? What’s is the purpose and the goals of those stances now ?
First Van der Leyen who disclosed the number of ukrainian KIA, data who was supposed to be kept secret
Second, Merkel who more or less openly declared that the West stood straight with Ukraine to not implement the Misk accord?
Hard to believe that these 2 high level close officials made mistakes ? Being Prime minister and DOD minister of the same german government at the time of Minsk agreement negotiation accord, I think that these two stances are linked and should have a political sense ! I’m curious to know ?

Posted by: Baerenkopf | Dec 11 2022 21:46 utc | 121

The U$A (united scammers of america) have only one main objective in Ukraine; To prolong the war, and weaken Russia, at the behest of our multi-national corporations. its all about commercial global hegemony, so relax, ” its just business”
Yep, its that simple. (IMO)

Posted by: vetinLA | Dec 11 2022 21:47 utc | 122

Vucic:
“It is so strange to me that the Russian special services did not know, it is incredible that they were so irresponsible not to see this.”
“We’re on our own now”
” We can no longer trust anyone”
Putin the 5D chessmaster has fallen into Mama Merkels trap.
Putin, Lavrov and Peskov are Russian gravedigger.
They were only focused on Minsk 1.2 and NS2.
They didnt care about donbass or modernisation of russian arm forces
Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 11 2022 20:16 utc | 92

See my comment at 80. The more logical conclusion is that Russia did know. Donbass originally wanted independence, not to become part of Russia. So Russia said fine, here is what independence looks like, with very limited arms and humanitarian support.
Merkel is likely telling the truth about her prior knowledge and duplicity. But her recent statement confirms to the Russian public, Putin’s position that the west is “not agreement capable” and gives Russia no alternative but to continue the conflict and not negotiate. One has to assume then that was the intention of her remarks.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 21:50 utc | 123

to fix ‘bolding’.

Posted by: BDC | Dec 11 2022 21:53 utc | 124

K @119
has it occurred to anyone that Merkel … could be lying about her past intentions with Minsk?
That is exactly the theory B has proposed in his article on the Merkel interview.

Posted by: grunzt | Dec 11 2022 21:54 utc | 125

K @119–
Thanks for your recent comment to me; much appreciated!
As for Merkle’s intensions, IMO her past behavior matches her confession. Few have taken her to task over Nord Stream, but there too she committed treason, IMO. As Putin and Lavrov have responded, her confessional makes further negotiations more difficult as the results must now be ironclad.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2022 22:00 utc | 126

The Ukrainian Twitterverse and others are boasting that Wagner HQ in Donbass was hit with a missile.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-regional-official-says-strike-hits-wagner-group-headquarters-2022-12-11/
Will be interesting to hear what really happened.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 22:00 utc | 127

Hilarious to hear that Stalin relied on British Bletchley Park stuff. With Soviet spies inside Britain, Berlin and Tokyo, the best Bletchley would have had to offer Stalin would be confirmation of what was already known, or confirmation that untrustworthy Churchill was leading the Soviets into another Charge of the Light Brigade Disaster.

Posted by: kupkee | Dec 11 2022 22:01 utc | 128

“US reluctant to send cluster munitions to Ukraine – media”
“Banned by over 100 nations, most of these weapons leave behind unexploded elements that pose a threat to civilians”
(RT 12/11/22)
When the Biden Administration says that they are reluctant to send Ukraine some kind of weapons, or weapons system (generally a weapon system that escalates the war), it means that they are already in the process of sending the weapons and once that have arrived in Ukraine, then the US will decide that they are no longer “relucent.” This pattern is a well-worn path by now.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 22:13 utc | 129

General Surovikin is waiting on General Weather’s green light before mobilizing to any great extent within Ukraine. General Weather is saying the mud will remain in the fields and dirt roads until at least after December 27 according to the Donetsk City weather forecast. General Surovikin does not want to be a stuck-in-mud so he carefully listens to General Weather’s advice.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/ukraine/donetsk/ext

Posted by: young | Dec 11 2022 22:18 utc | 130

B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13
The Empire is collapsing but the Republic can easily be a great power for another century…but only if the can give up the Empire.
If the US continues on this ridiculous path of not tolerating peer competitors then things are very bleak indeed.
The chances of nuclear war breaking out rest with the USA. Unfortunately events of this year show that something is seriously wrong in the US state department. Nothing they try is working out and in desperation they keep doubling down.
What happens next year is crucial. Its going to be the most interesting year of these interesting times.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 22:28 utc | 131

Merkel is likely telling the truth about her prior knowledge and duplicity. But her recent statement confirms to the Russian public, Putin’s position that the west is “not agreement capable” and gives Russia no alternative but to continue the conflict and not negotiate. One has to assume then that was the intention of her remarks.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 21:50 utc | 122
I think you are on to something there. It falls in line with US telling Zelensky that firing weapons is OK now, fire at will. Also, the recent statements by statements by NATO Secretary General, Jens Stoltenberg, that he fears that NATO may have to enter the war against Russia. Something could be afoot.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 22:32 utc | 132

Likklemore | Dec 11 2022 17:41 utc | 55
meet the new boss, same as the old boss? now the MbS is not wanted for murder, he can get back to building a brighter future for us all.
soon we’ll ask, what’s chinese for “camp david”? (yeah, how long before Xi is in Tel Aviv shaking hands with Bibi?) finance minister li can be found on any and every occasion pledging China’s unwavering loyalty to the gods of international finance.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 11 2022 22:36 utc | 133

@Ed
U don’t get it?
U can repeat the sh*hole resolution 24/7 but fact is the serbian army was not beaten neither by Nato air force nor albanian talibans. Serbia army didn’t lose at all contrary they actually won! In the three month Nato air campaign only ONE serbian tank was hit! ONE! Only 12 soldiers have died and 345 wounded. The serbian army was prepared and waiting for Nato ground forces. It was the serbian 5D chessmaster who order the retreat of serbian forces because Nato focused their air campaign against serbian civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Slobo the chessmaster was worried of a coup by the serbian Army and the serbian people. The dissatisfaction with Slobo after his great Dayton agreement was everywhere noticeable. Resistance groups against the traitor Milosevic have been formed on the streets and inside the army.
Slobo signed everything to stay in power.
Immediately after the retreat he dismantled the armed forces in favor of police forces. Once the dismantling has been completed Serbia had the largest and strongest police force in the universe in total 480.000 !!!!
But Slobo the traitor was naive like 5D chessmaster Putin
He believed his new „Partners“ will value his treachery
His partners rewarded him with an one way ticket to Hague
Putin is like Slobo believed and still believes his „partners“ )))

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 11 2022 22:38 utc | 134

.British foreign secretary James Cleverly issues a statement supporting the U.S. assessment, adding that “the UK will continue to expose this desperate alliance and hold both countries to account. Iran is now one of Russia’s top military backers,” Cleverly said.
LOL. “Desperate” alliance?
Spare me.
It’s NATO that’s becoming the desperate alliance.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Dec 11 2022 22:43 utc | 135

I like Hugo’s thesis that Merkel, constrained by western threats and political concerns, still managed to provide Russia with a causa belli for the SMO by saying out loud that the west wanted to give time to allow NATO to build up the Ukrainian military so they could attack the Donbass.
Let me double down. What if Zelensky, who tried at first to fulfill his campaign promises, but was shut down by a Right Sector thug on one side and a NATO thug on the other, both with guns to his head, has decided to help Russia by being so very outrageous that he has turned many people against him, and therefore, Ukraine.
Go ahead and announce the quiet part out loud. “We are going to torture POWs” and “Give us more money now!”
Just a thought.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Dec 11 2022 22:47 utc | 136

Hugo | Dec 11 2022 14:12 utc | 2
“She knows very well who are the devils”
And yet, she opened the door for them and gave them a home.

GoFast | Dec 11 2022 14:43 utc | 9
“A good book about the history of Russia and Ukraine.”
Please tell me if you find one, I’m looking myself. All I can offer at this point is a book called “Explaining the Low Intensity of Ethnopolitical Conflict in Ukraine” by one Susan Stewart. As you can probably guess from the “low intensity” it predates the current war by a lot. It’s a thesis from 2004. It covers the first 15 years of Ukraine’s development and Ukraine’s internal relations plus relations with Russia. It’s about a nation that’s half Russian itself, and knows it. And it makes you wonder: so much could have turned ugly when Ukraine and Russia went separate ways, but instead everything went rather smoothly. No border dispute, the Red Army was split and distributed without problems, the question of the nuclear arsenal was solved rather elegantly, the Black Sea fleet was split and the 2 new and sovereign parts continued to share one base, Sevastopol. No hatred, no expulsions of minorities, no language discrimination. Amazing, in retrospect. ISBN would be 3-8258-8331-0. But it’s a thesis, so there’s lots of boring methodology and ethnological jargon too.

JessDTruth | Dec 11 2022 15:14 utc | 16
Bowing to your comment!

Down South | Dec 11 2022 15:19 utc | 17
Thanks a lot for this run-down! The thing about the ‘islands’ made me prick my ears.

Sam | Dec 11 2022 15:46 utc | 24
Have you heard the woman speak, man? This cr*p about speaking Russian fluently, she doesn’t even speak her mother tongue fluently, let alone a foreign language. That’s the mental capabilities we’re dealing with in her case.

Sparta78 | Dec 11 2022 15:58 utc | 27
“In Germany, for example, they are entitled to ALG-2, i.e. 449 euros (soon 502) and rent (if they find a flat). For organisational reasons, some of these payments were made in advance for several months. These sums are above the average Ukrainian income (if there is one).”
Exactly. Ukrainian civilians always have a fallback position, which is a real boost to Ukraine’s ability to keep this thing going. Not sure if Russian big-wigs have factored that in appropriately. With regard to finding a flat and getting rent for it – they don’t necessarily have to find a flat to actually live in. To get the money they just need to register a plausible address and have their mail forwarded to their actual place of residence, so they can react to letters by government agencies. Meanwhile, they can live much cheaper in Poland, or with their grandparents in rural Ukraine or something.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 11 2022 22:52 utc | 137

@ jared | Dec 11 2022 21:06 utc | 110

You are an over-confidence troll.

Pot > Kettle. Black.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 22:56 utc | 138

«You guys should read the western Google curated news feeds. It may be full of propoganda but they wrap it around actual information.»
As to that kind of thing this article is quite amazing:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlog/articles/20221211.aspx
in February 2022, the Ukrainian armed forces had nearly a quarter million personnel on active duty. Since then, Ukraine has added over half a million more personnel (volunteers and conscripts) and, unlike Russia, most of the new personnel did not go into combat units but were instead assigned to support units. […] The troops were also kept supplied with adequate cold-weather uniforms and other items that maintain health and morale. This included medical care and rapid movement of severe casualties to hospitals. […]
Unlike the Russians, Ukraine support troops used forklifts to move ammunition and other supplies onto and off trucks. The Russians still do it by hand, which often means that it doesn’t get done if there are not enough troops to do it. The invading Russians forces had few or none of the support services Ukraine provides for its own troops. This has provided Ukrainian troops with a major advantage. Unlike Russian troops in Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers suffer less from malnutrition, cold weather, and untreated wounds. […]
Russia never put as much emphasis on material support for the troops as Western nations did. The Russian approach was to apply overwhelming force initially to defeat the enemy. If that failed, as it increasingly did in the 20th century, so did Russian losses.
Ukraine understood that and with NATO assistance, was able, especially after 2014, to adopt a Western style of military operations. Some western military leaders underestimated the impact of this on Ukrainian successes and lower casualties. While Western militaries accept these support policies for their own troops and the resulting lower combat casualties, they were surprised and initially incredulous at the rapidity with which Ukrainians adopted and benefitted from Western practices.
»

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 11 2022 23:09 utc | 139

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Dec 11 2022 21:27 utc | 114
The comment you quoted I had the same reaction. Oh my… post in question is deliberately misleading or un-fixably blind.

Posted by: dust | Dec 11 2022 23:10 utc | 140

@Don Bacon (7). ” Merkel was in a strange manner, and implicitly giving putin the causus belli for the start of SMO.
No, it was all US/Ukraine who instigated the war. Merkel had no influence.”

Whether Merkel had influence is not the issue here. She absolutely had knowledge of the plan not to implement the Minsk Accord. And as far as we know, she made no effort to pressure Ukrainian officials to move ahead with implementation.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 11 2022 23:23 utc | 141

Hey Patton and Churchills ghosts, or ideological successors. Its obviously alternate history so it doesn’t matter lol.
Anyways, P&C wouldve nuked Russia, because without the Nazi Tech and engineers forced to build the bomb, the USSR wouldn’t have been able to reply to an Anglo nuke campaign. Thats how it gets rolled up in the 50’s.
In fact its a great book idea. Mine! I did it first!
Lol.

Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 23:27 utc | 142

The Empire is collapsing but the Republic can easily be a great power for another century.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 22:28 utc | 130

Half the country agrees, but due to wide spread voter fraud, the only voice heard is the mic
This is why Russia has us supporters. If the fed.res, Media and mic are dealt a crushing blow, fed.gov might possibly be brought under control.

Posted by: B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 23:36 utc | 143

“The Ukrainian Twitterverse and others are boasting that Wagner HQ in Donbass was hit with a missile.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-regional-official-says-strike-hits-wagner-group-headquarters-2022-12-11/
Will be interesting to hear what really happened.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 22:00 utc | 126″
—————–
According these news it was a restaurant out of use.
RIA News Agency (last night Saturday)
00:13 12/11/2022 (updated: 10:00 12/11/2022)
© RIA Novosti / Konstantin Mikhalchevsky
As a result of the shelling of a recreation center in Melitopol, ten people were injured
The number of victims of the missile strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Melitopol increased to 10
Employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations extinguish a fire at a recreation center in Melitopol after the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
MOSCOW, December 11 – RIA Novosti. The recreation center in Melitopol, which came under Ukrainian shelling, was completely destroyed, 10 people were injured, Acting Governor of the Zaporozhye region Yevhen Balitsky said .
On Saturday evening, the air defense system worked over Melitopol.
As Vladimir Rogov , a member of the main council of the Zaporozhye region , reported, the hotel complex “Hunter’s Halt” was hit. According to him, two people died, two others were injured.
“Today, at about 21.00, artillery strikes were carried out on the outskirts of Melitopol by Ukrainian Himars MLRS missiles. Two missiles were shot down at the end of the air defense, four reached their target. And the target is the civilian infrastructure of a peaceful city,” Balitsky wrote in his Telegram channel.
According to him, “Kyiv Nazis made four targeted hits on a cottage settlement on the outskirts of Melitopol.”
As a result of the shelling, the recreation center was completely destroyed, where, according to the acting governor, “people, civilians, had dinner on Saturday evening, the staff worked.” “According to preliminary data, two dead, ten injured. All necessary medical assistance is being provided to the injured,” he added.
Rescuers are on the scene and the rubble is being cleared.
The situation on the front line in the Zaporozhye region remains alarming: for several weeks now, Ukrainian troops have been waiting there, although the situation is stable today. As the administration of the region reported at the end of October, Energodar from the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant , as well as Melitopol and Berdyansk , could become the main areas of a possible attack.
https://vz.ru/news/2022/12/10/1190484.html
Civilians became victims of HIMARS strike on Melitopol
Rogov reported on the victims and injured as a result of the Ukrainian strike from HIMARS on Melitopol
December 10, 2022, 10:58 pm
Text: Anton Antonov
The Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked Melitopol from the HIMARS MLRS, there are victims and injured, said the head of the movement “We are with Russia” Volodymyr Rogov. Stakhanov in the LPR was also subjected to shelling from HIMARS, the city administration reported.
Rogov said on Telegram that the strike was on the Hunter’s Halt restaurant. As a result, there are dead and injured among civilians. As Rogov explained, “as a result of the work of air defense at the end, two missiles were shot down, the rest, unfortunately, reached their goal.” He also said that a complex at a recreation center was on fire in Melitopol. “According to preliminary data, two people were killed and two injured. Firefighters are trying to put out the fire and pull people out from under the rubble.
Later, Acting Governor of the region Yevgeny Balitsky reported on Telegram that the number of victims of the missile attack on Melitopol had increased to 10 people. “The recreation center was completely destroyed, where people, civilians, had dinner on Saturday evening, the base staff worked,” he said.
The Stakhanov authorities reported on Telegram that electricity was temporarily cut off in the city center, now the supply has been restored. In addition, the mayor’s office said that a private hotel, which “was not working now,” came under fire. Rescuers are clearing the rubble, TASS reports .
Recall that air defense worked over Melitopol , five explosions were heard. In addition, the air defense system worked over Simferopol. It was also reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at Novopskov in the LPR from the American MLRS HIMARS.
Acting Governor of the region Yevgeny Balitsky:
https://t.me/s/BalitskyEV
At the site of the tourist base on the outskirts of Melitopol, where tonight the Ukrainian Nazi formations struck four blows with Himars MLRS rockets, the rubble is being cleared, the fire is extinguished. Operational groups continue to work on the spot, assessing the damage.
Two people died and ten were injured in the tragedy. Three needed hospitalization, now they are in a medical institution in a hospital, they are provided with all the necessary assistance.
Once again I want to emphasize that this is a civilian infrastructure, a recreation center. Four missiles aimed at the recreation center, which housed barbecue houses, gazebos and a corner with birds and animals. These are the goals of the Ukrainian Nazis. This is their “war” strategy.
I am grateful to all those who are not indifferent who offered help, were interested in how to help the victims, how to help financially or donate blood.
This once again emphasizes our unity in the fight against fascism. I want to assure you that all the necessary assistance is being provided to the victims, we have a resource for their treatment. The best clinics in Russia, if necessary, will accept them, and the Government of the Zaporozhye region will provide all possible assistance.

Posted by: ka | Dec 11 2022 23:41 utc | 144

Hard to believe that these 2 high level close officials made mistakes ? Being Prime minister and DOD minister of the same german government at the time of Minsk agreement negotiation accord, I think that these two stances are linked and should have a political sense ! I’m curious to know ?
Posted by: Baerenkopf | Dec 11 2022 21:46 utc | 120
Absolutely not an accident. It is on purpose, they ALWAYS slip out the truth at one point or the other. It’s a pattern every time.
Merkel did it years after the fact had already occurred – and it’s no longer critical on any political manner, to keep it a secret Minsk II was preparation for war. Ursula VDL slipped out the 100k+ ukie KIA info, because it is no longer relevant to keep secret. For what reason? My guess is that Ukraine and EU vassals are already sucked in SO deep that they have strong assurances that ukies will fight until everyone of them is dead, and EU vassals will provide free stuff until their economies simply cease to exist. They are fully committed to uncle Schmuel’s interests, no turning back. V1 speed achieved.
So it’s no longer relevant to keep it secret, they told it, but it’s a code that they always tell the truth, usually with “freudian slips”.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 23:48 utc | 145

Russia should announce that they see the oil price cap as an act of war and see how fast the countries who are implementing it back down.

Posted by: D J G | Dec 11 2022 23:52 utc | 146

unimperator | Dec 11 2022 15:59 utc | 28
(Source- Brian Berletic, citing US Presidential Draw Down Assistance Package for Ukraine…
Brian notes:
“……No more pickup trucks or HMMWVs for troop movements, instead ambulances for growing medical emergency in Bakhmut.”
Err. Except. Ukraine has been using ambulances for troop transport from Day 1..
In the very first reports in Feb22, CNN were in Kiev and filmed something, …. an ambulance pulls up in the background, and 10-15 Ukraine soldiers (able bodied, uninjured, armed) jump out.
Being dumb as rocks journos…(CNN, thus, I do repeat myself).. they happily film this, feature it on air.
Until it’s pointed out using ambulances as troop transports is actually forbidden under Geneva Convention.
But. No one cares, until Russia bombs an “ambulance”…. (Or a school kindergarten, filled with Ukrainian soldiers).
Brian has a vid up at his New Atlas yt.
“The Ukraine Arms Drain: Now and in the Future”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wZfjd-byNk

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 0:00 utc | 147

@ Blissex | Dec 11 2022 23:09 utc | 138
As to that kind of thing this article is quite amazing: No, it is absolute derivative ‘distilled’ propaganda raw SEWERAGE.
Your link is a front for RFE & all the rest.
Read the About page – Note on sources: Radio Free Europe, The Economist, The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, The Sunday London Times, The Washington Times, The Miami Herald, The South China Morning Post …
Less than worthless & obviously so.
At least you are consistently, consistent. 🙁
DOD/DIA bases on USSR border in PRC post 1972 ? Found a valid primary source reference yet ? Ever ?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 0:09 utc | 148

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 0:00 utc | 146
In addition to ambulances, also “school buses” are provided. That’s laughable, because a few months ago, one of those “school buses” was destroyed by an ATGM in the Donbass along with 20 Polish mercenaries inside. The bus was visibly driving into the middle of a forest, probably not many schools there or an active bus routes. Apparently mercs use it to get around and into positions.
There was also a huge bus depot in Zaporizhe, that was destroyed earlier. Reportedly 40 busses got torched, hence EU sending more lol.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 12 2022 0:11 utc | 149

Am going to ignore the fuckwit warmongers and off topic BrexShitheads and Mutti fuckers and keep it about the folly of escalation by the natzos and Ukrops
Any escalation of direct attack upon Russia guarantees a mutual response by China and all the SCO collective security treaty.
Or against Iran, once that is formalised or Syria soon or many others in the expanding multipolar Union.
There really are not enough western boots that can be put on the ground from the Collective Waste anymore.
Unless we can clone and grow them in vats!
😱😱
I

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2022 0:12 utc | 150

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 11 2022 22:36 utc | 132
[.]soon we’ll ask, what’s chinese for “camp david”? (yeah, how long before Xi is in Tel Aviv shaking hands with Bibi?) finance minister li can be found on any and every occasion pledging China’s unwavering loyalty to the gods of international finance.[.]
Thanks for dropping in.
Well, we are in the era of deception -propaganda, censorship to coverup the lies. Just as with CV-19 the Ukraine conflict is a very convenient distraction as the economy continues to collapse.
Take note the gods of international finance from Tel Aviv, London, to NYC are going down with Titanic 2.0. We, the useless people, won’t be spared.
$300 trillion of global debt and $2.5 quadrillion of derivatives..
One of the sparks likely to blow through the hull (financial system), consider the BIS recent report …$80 trillion of secret derivative debt that is 10 Times their Capital held off the books by pension funds, non-financial institutions and foreign banks. The GFC in 2008 will be renamed.

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 12 2022 0:19 utc | 151

From Reuters with the title Zelenskiy’s talks with other leaders signal diplomatic flurry around Ukraine
The quote

KYIV, Dec 12 (Reuters) – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy held talks with U.S. President Joe Biden and with the leaders of Turkey and France on Sunday, an increase in diplomatic activity around the war started by Russia that is dragging into a 10th month.
“We are constantly working with partners,” Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address, adding that he expects some “important results” next week from a series of international events that will tackle the situation in Ukraine.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 12 2022 0:23 utc | 152

If you want top quality commentary on Ukraines civil war and Russias SMO, then you wont get better than:
Alex Mercouris
Alex Christoforou
The Duran
Also, please try:
Brian Berletic
Redacted with Natalie and Clayton Morris
The Left Lens
Earl Grey
Gonzalo Lira
For on the ground honest reporting please try:
Patrick Lancaster
Graham Phillips
Eva Bartlett
John Mark Duggan
All have popular YT chanels. Just type their names in YT search bar.
Sorry, if Ive missed anyone off the lists.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 12 2022 0:29 utc | 153

@Klaatu, @all
@Klaatu mentioned over on the other open thread that transcripts of the Vlahos/MacGregor discussions were available via the description on the YouTube video. I can’t seem to find them as the only links are to MacGregor’s site (which seems to be down) and a think tank (?) that publishes material from Vlahos (although not the transcripts). I’m probably missing something blindingly obvious but if anyone can provide the links that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Dec 12 2022 1:38 utc | 154

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 0:09 utc | 147
Ah, come on, some, okay, a little of what @ Blissex | Dec 11 2022 23:09 utc | 13 posted is true.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 12 2022 2:21 utc | 155

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 0:09 utc | 147 “DOD/DIA bases on USSR border in PRC post 1972 ?”
Did “bases” mean the NSA ‘listening’ equipment for Soviet missile tests? The ‘station’ was jointly operated by US and China.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 12 2022 2:28 utc | 156

According these news it was a restaurant out of use.
RIA News Agency (last night Saturday)
00:13 12/11/2022 (updated: 10:00 12/11/2022)
© RIA Novosti / Konstantin Mikhalchevsky
….
Posted by: ka | Dec 11 2022 23:41 utc | 143

That was Saturday, Melitopol is not in Donbass. I am referring to reports there was a missile attack on Wagner HQ in Kadiivka, Luhansk region on Sunday. The MSM reports all say Ukrainian officials were the source, but not independently confirmed. So likely an exaggeration or outright lie.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 12 2022 2:38 utc | 157

“Unlike the Russians, Ukraine support troops used forklifts to move ammunition and other supplies onto and off trucks. The Russians still do it by hand, which often means that it doesn’t get done if there are not enough troops to do it. The invading Russians forces had few or none of the support services Ukraine provides for its own troops. This has provided Ukrainian troops with a major advantage. Unlike Russian troops in Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers suffer less from malnutrition, cold weather, and untreated wounds.”
I’ve certainly seen Russian troops empty a truck or two with a chain of arms in war footage. But are you really suggesting they don’t have the basics like pallets and forklifts? No field hospitals? lol.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Dec 12 2022 2:48 utc | 158

From the Kremlin: “The United States approved directly striking Russia. territory. In its turn, Russia will directly strike the United States, Putin says.”
Imaginary by a centimeter.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 12 2022 2:53 utc | 159

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 11 Dec 2022; pub. 0:10⚡️
🩸 The Balkans are on the brink of a major escalation. The situation in northern #Kosovo may trigger a new conflict in #Europe. And the culprit for this has long been known to all. Serbian President Vucic addressed the nation and said that Washington and Pristina are not respecting any of the agreements reached on self-declared #Kosovo, and that the Serbian police and army are ready for any order. #Serbia is now in an extremely difficult position and risks entering the conflict on worse terms in the event of a direct confrontation. Time is running out, and explosions are already thundering in #Kosovo.
⚔️ The Situation on the Fronts in the outgoing 24 Hours
♦️#Donetsk Direction:
The DPR People’s Militia is fighting near #Vodyanoye and #Pervomayskoye, as well as heavy fighting in the centre of #Maryinka. At the moment, the Russian army is unable to break through the militants’ defence along the central Druzhba Street.
♦️#Ugledar Direction:
Units of the RF Armed Forces have launched a successful offensive in the direction of Velikaya Novoselka, bypassing #Ugledar – the AFU has retreated to the second line of defense in this area. The militants also attempted to attack our positions near #Neskuchnoye, but were met by Russian artillery, resulting in serious losses for the enemy, up to 40 Nazis, a BMP and two armoured vehicles.
🏴‍☠️ The position of the AFU near #Artemovsk is getting harder and harder. The Nazis are suffering heavy losses and in order to somehow prolong their occupation of the city to the satisfaction of their Western partners, the militants have blown up the railway bridge near #Paraskovievka, thus creating an artificial barricade on the highway towards #Slavyansk. On the one hand, for the “orchestrators” advancing to bypass the city, on the other hand, for themselves.

https://t.me/sitreports/1996

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 3:41 utc | 160

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 10-11 Dec 2022⚡️
♦️#Crimea:
▪️ Ukrainian kamikaze drones attempted strikes against #Simferopol, but Russian air defences shot down all targets on approach.
♦️#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Kupyansk – #Svatovo section, units of the AFU’s 14th Mechanized Brigade and the 32nd Battalion of the Terrotorial Defence attempted to storm the #Sinkovka – #Lyman 1st line, but failed.
➖ The RF Armed Forces intercepted an Ukrainian SRG near #Dachnoye, most of the group was destroyed and the rest fled into the woods.
▪️ In the #Lyman sector, fighting is continues west of #Ploshchanka, where RF forces had previously managed to capture several enemy strongholds. The AFU is trying unsuccessfully to retake lost positions.
➖ Fighting continues in the grey zone at the #Chervonopopovka – #Makeyevka line.
▪️ In the #Lysychansk sector, Russian troops have occupied an observation post near #Belogorovka.
♦️#Lugansk People’s Republic:
▪️ The Ukrainian militants launched rocket and barrel artillery strikes on #Svatovo and #Stakhanov, civilian infrastructure was damaged.
♦️#Donetsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ Fighting continues in the centre of #Maryinka, where Russian troops are trying to overcome enemy defences on the central Druzhba Street.
▪️ In the #Avdeyevka sector, DPR People’s Militia units are fighting in the vicinity of #Pervomayskoye and #Vodyanyoye.
▪️ In the #Ugledar sector, the RF Armed Forces have begun an offensive near Bolshaya Novoselka, trying to take advantageous positions.
▪️ The enemy militants continue intense shelling of the #Donetsk agglomeration with strikes on the centre of #Donetsk and other settlements, civilians killed.
♦️#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ Ukrainian militants shelled #Melitopol with HIMARS MLRS. The shells hit the Hunters’ Rest Base and killed civilians. Despite the massive strike, not a single military facility was hit. There were no casualties among the military personnel.
▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire line of contact. The RF Armed Forces shelled targets in #Yulyevka, #Orekhov, #Gulyaypole, #Olgovskoye and #Nikopol, while enemy militants shelled #Energodar.
♦️#Kherson Direction:
▪️ Russian forces hit AFU positions at the Kherson cotton mill in #Kherson.
▪️ In addition, targetshave been hit in #Dudchany, #Berislav, #Zimevka and #Dneprovskoye.
▪️ The RF Armed Forces destroyed an enemy SRG on Bolshoy Potemkin Island at the mouth of the #Dnipro River. At least 3 AFU fighters were killed, their bodies fell into the river.
♦️#Odessa Region:
▪️ On the night of Friday to Saturday, Russian troops have hit the Novovodesskaya power substation with a Geran-2 kamikaze drone.
In #Odessa, the attack led to a prolonged almost complete loss of electricity supply and problems with the operation of pumping stations.

https://t.me/sitreports/1997

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 3:43 utc | 161

-// From the Kremlin: “The United States approved directly striking Russia. territory. In its turn, Russia will directly strike the United States, Putin says.” //-
That means the neotards have definitely jumped the shark. These assholes need to be liquidated promptly.

Posted by: blues | Dec 12 2022 3:44 utc | 162

How many tanks did the Ukrainian Armed Forces lose in Bakhmut?
According to the Military Chronicle, from the end of August to the beginning of December, the 54th and 59th brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could irretrievably lose about six to eight tank companies in Bakhmut (Artyomovsk)—from 84 to 112 vehicles. The equipment remaining in service with the Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut is on the verge of failure.
Most of the T-64, T-64BV, and Polish T-72M1 tanks were lost by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the battles in the north of the city in the Podgorodny area and during several counterattacks in the south in the area of Kurdyumovka, Zelenopolye, and Ozaryanovka. Tanks were also lost in the battles near Opytny, where Ukrainian forces tried to stop the advance of the RF Armed Forces but retreated due to high losses. Interruptions in electricity and a lack of spare parts prevent quick repairs of equipment.
Almost all vehicles have high gun wear, and the crews of Ukrainian Armed Forces tanks regularly encounter bursts of ammunition in the gun breech, after which the vehicle is put out of action. The activity of the artillery of Wagner PMC and the RF Armed Forces also led to high losses of tanks: when a platoon (or company) of tanks is detected, heavy artillery fire of high density opens on armoured vehicles, which does not allow the equipment to manoeuvre and fire.
     There are also tactical errors. Short daylight hours limit the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in observation and reconnaissance using UAVs, and cold weather forces them to keep vehicles with running engines, which strongly unmasks them and makes them a target for sabotage groups of the RF Armed Forces with Kornet anti-tank systems and Irony surveillance devices that detect enemy equipment in the dark at a distance of 7 km.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24545

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 3:45 utc | 163

Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Presidential Office, believes that in order to end the war in Ukraine, it is necessary :
▪to introduce anti-Russian sanctions,
▪military defeat of the Russian Federation,
▪isolation of Russia in the world markets,
▪sabotage within the Russian Federation.
He believes that this is the only way to end the war.
The next notes of a madman.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24553

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 3:47 utc | 164

At the instigation of Western journalists, the term “Bakhmut meat grinder” took root in Ukrainian media space, as did the comments that the city could not be held and was not worth such a sacrifice by the AFU at all. To break the negative trend, channels affiliated with Bankova started posting videos in which unidentified fighters with closed faces say that they will not give up Bakhmut. However, observant Ukrainians immediately noticed the clean uniforms and equipment of the speakers and considered it a staged performance.
Ukrainian channels reported that Bankova had to shell out money to get Zelensky on the cover of the British FT (Financial Times) as “man of the year.” Everyone knows that such “awards” are like beauty contests. Whoever pays (the price can be several million dollars) becomes the “man of the year.” Rumour has it that it was Ermak who gave the boss a New Year’s present, as Zelenski was very upset that he was not included in the Nobel laureates. His vanity is very well known in Ukraine. However, they say at Bankova that this was necessary for preparation for the elections and also to boost morale during a difficult period.
Another media achievement of Zelenski that provoked a mixed reaction in Ukraine was his signing of a decree that, from now on, Ukrainians celebrate Human Rights Day on December 10 to assert and defend human rights. It was on this day that the Ukrainian security forces carried out the most extensive “searches” of Orthodox churches, with numerous provocations organized by them. Ukrainians joke darkly, “It’s good that Zelensky has managed to retain his sense of humor after becoming president. In order to shift the informational emphasis from unwanted appeals of the UOC militants in defense of the UOC, the political technologists of Bankova tried to introduce a new slogan, “Our God is the UOC!” They logically pointed out that the Orthodox would not take communion of the body and blood of the AFU.
It was reported to Zelensky that a shortage of wheat and other agricultural products was looming, threatening a real famine, and he was advised to suspend exports from the country, even though he blamed Russia for it. However, according to Ukrainian sources, Zelensky was furious and replied very harshly that everything was enough and there was no need to panic. Although experts explicitly warn of a food shortage in 2023, which will provoke an even greater rise in prices, Zelensky does not want to hear about stopping food exports, as he is one of the beneficiaries of the “grain deal.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24570

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 3:51 utc | 165

Outraged | Dec 12 2022 0:09 utc | 147
_____
Good catch. I tend to bypass Blissex’ dreck. This is why trolls mostly avoid links, which are too easily rebutted and discredited. In this case, strategyworld.com curates all the usual MSM/CIA propaganda sources and more (why, even the Moonie Times!). It’s a comprehensive library of bunk serving as an irresistible source for hourly-wage, cut-paste trolls. Blissex excerpted the more comical parts.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 12 2022 4:25 utc | 166

Opport Knocks | Dec 12 2022 2:38 utc | 157
>…”reports there was a missile attack on Wagner HQ in Kadiivka, Luhansk region on Sunday.”
I too am trawling for info on this. ^
1/ A US merc team is established with the name “Mozart” to troll and taunt “Wagner”
2/ Mozart “enters the chat” in east Ukraine/ new Russiya and promptly discovers arty barrages and no air support is not your Iraq/Afghanistan war.
3/ Gives an interview saying reports of 70% of Ukraine platoons and battalions is not an exaggeration
4/ Interview states Mozart believes it is being especially targeted by Wagner
5/ US directs and controls HiMARS strikes
6 A long range (140km?) HiMARS allegedly not seen on the battlefront previously (and previously said to deliberately *not* supplied to Ukraine) is used for this attack(?) (Seeking sources to confirm)…
7/ What are the odds….a U$ surveillance + targeting team “sent a message” to Wagner, “regards from Mozart”…………?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 12 2022 4:43 utc | 167

Am going to ignore … off topic BrexShitheads
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2022 0:12 utc | 149
I should pre-empt your example by ignoring remoaner morons. I never start these off-topic forays, but occasionally feel the need to respond to those undemocrat dolts who think they know better than the voting majority.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 12 2022 5:01 utc | 168

@ B9k9 142
@ rjb1.5 132
The same algorithms used for banking interest are used for election fraud.
One of the main criticisms of Islam is that it goes too far, banning free mixing of sees and banning music. But big diseases are caused by micro-organisms.
Micro interest is too small to see, micro lust is too small to see, micro adjustment of voters wishes is totally invisible.
You have to have the intention to eliminate even the miniscule of evil in order to achieve its removal.
Of course Mbs is going to be corrupted when he is on the Roller coaster of Western money trash. Of course Pres. Xi is going to be corrupted when he starts to use the levers of military force. Both of those things are inevitable . They expose themselves to lethal germs and will catch the Western colds.
There is another way, but Westerners always say ‘ oh , but that is going too far ‘. So be it. Ameen. China would be as destructive an imperial power as any other, and Saudi Arabia already is one of the most destructive empires of all time, causing the eradication of Muslim life in countless Muslim countries over just the last 40 years. Corona savages.
If when Sunak talks of China, he would look in the mirror at what Modi nationalism is doing to India, he could start taking the woodchips out of his British eyes.
Butvthey never learn the basic teachings ofvthe prophets, peace be upon them all.
‘ oh that would be going too far.’
The keys to peace and war lie in the discipline of the human soul. Britain always says it projects soft power. No, it projects the stinking corruption of its own politics onto the ‘ others ‘, like Russia. Hence Ukraine, for which Bumbling BoJo is entirely to blame , from the internal catastrophe of his own broken moral compass.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 12 2022 5:21 utc | 169

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Dec 12 2022 1:38 utc | 153
All three videos are available on Vlahos Youtube channel (are in fact the only videos there.) None of the videos have transcripts, however.
https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.MichaelVlahos

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 12 2022 6:09 utc | 170

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦💡 @Rybar: Another Consequence of Systematic Fire Attacks on Ukraine’s Energy Infrastructure⚡️
🔥 Another power transformer burned down in #Kiev. Apparently, there was a switching overvoltage in the device.
It happened due to the release of overvoltage pulses into the grid from high-voltage line switching caused by the RF Armed Forces’ defeat of autotransformers at city substations and thermal power plants. A breakdown occurs inside the windings, an electric arc ignites and then the oil starts to burn. The gas pressure in the tank increases sharply, leading to a depressurisation and subsequent fire.
The incident is further evidence of the cumulative effect of Russian missile strikes. Even in the absence of new raids, elements fail on their own.
🩸 Is this a Clear Sign of the Collapse of Ukraine’s Power System?
No: The general control points (GCP) of most facilities are still intact, which theoretically allows, see 👉 Recent Comprehensive Assessment, replacing destroyed equipment and assembling back-up circuits.
But it is not the first time transformer fires have occurred that suggests instability and reduced sustainability of the power system. And if strikes continue, the possibility of rebuilding it in the short term will be negligible.

https://t.me/sitreports/2000

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 6:12 utc | 171

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 17:53 utc | 61
Yes, indeed, the Germans and French were guarantors of the deal, just like going guarantor for a loser relative who won’t pay off their mortgage. Merkel and all Frenchies are very much legally responsible for what has happened. If I had my way, she would hang … other can follow like Baerbock, Bareback and Scholtz etc.
Posted by: HH | Dec 11 2022 14:40 utc | 8
I wholeheartedly agree. Until the US feels pain then it will all continue. The bare minimum will be if EU Europeans feel some pain which will lead to calls of “Ami go home”. That will start to sting , because the Elite of the US won’t be able to go to Europe for holidays. That will piss off the wives to no end. Anyone remember, Lysistrata?
Posted by: B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13
How will Americans ever go to war with the Chinese if the former live off everything made by the latter? Do you really think the US is up for the major changes needed to become a working industrial nation again? Not just services or light industry like flipping burgers etc.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 12 2022 6:14 utc | 172

Angela Merkel on the Minsk agreements:
5 March 2015: “If the Minsk Agreements are seriously violated, European leaders and the European Commission stand ready to prepare and impose new sanctions.”
October 20, 2016: “We discussed a work process that has many sides and that needs to be taken into account when working on topics such as security, political process. And this should continue within the framework of the roadmap for the various steps of the Set of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements. And that’s progress.”
February 18, 2017: Minsk is all we have. Unfortunately, I cannot say that all points of the Minsk agreements have been fulfilled. A long-term ceasefire is needed. My opinion is that we shouldn’t throw away the only thing we have.”
March 17, 2017: “I was very pleased to learn that the US administration and the president personally are committed to the Minsk process. We need to find a solution to this problem. A safe and secure solution must be found for Ukraine, but relations with Russia must also be improved as the situation becomes clearer. The Minsk agreements are a good basis, but, unfortunately, we have not yet reached the process we expected. However, in the coming months, we will continue to work on this issue together with our experts.”
May 20, 2017: “The issue of security, as presented in the Minsk agreements, is a prerequisite for further progress in the political process.”
September 2 2017: “In the field of security policy in Europe, we must do everything to improve our contacts again. This includes the implementation of “Minsk”. If this works out, then we would have a starting point for even more and more intensive dialogue.”
April 10, 2018: “We discussed the situation that is developing in connection with the implementation of the Minsk agreements. Despite the complexity of the situation, we must not relax efforts, because we are talking about people. Germany and France will continue to look for a way out of the situation together with Ukraine and the Russian Federation.”
August 18, 2018: “We must work to find a solution. This concerns, firstly, the issue of Ukraine. We’ve been working on this for quite some time now. The basis is and remains – it is the Minsk Agreements. Although it must be stated that we do not yet have a stable truce.”
November 1, 2018: “If there is progress, then we can ease these sanctions. Unfortunately, now the situation is such that the “Minsk agreements” are not observed. If something is done, then only a millimeter forward and immediately back. Germany will also advocate the continuation of these sanctions.”
December 10, 2019: “There is a question, is this document set in stone, or can it be changed. After all, there are certain proposals by President Zelensky to change it. <...> We hope that this document will again be flexible, and it will be revived.”
December 7, 2022: “The Minsk agreements of 2014 were an attempt to give Ukraine time. It used this time to become stronger, as you can see today. Ukraine 2014-2015 is not Ukraine today. <...> It was clear to all of us that the conflict was frozen, that the problem had not been resolved, but this gave Ukraine precious time.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24617

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 6:14 utc | 173

@Biswapriya Purkayast 1
The F35 is indeed expensive junk, reliant on highly unstealthy tankers, visible to likely opposing forces across the width of Europe or the South China sea (without even taking off), to do anything useful (voiding all pretense to stealth), but the A10 and F16s are worse.
The A-10 warthog was an emergency stop gap system thrown together in the 1970s, when the US realized that the Soviet Union could flood Europe with tanks before NATO could possibly hope to respond. The A-10 was intend to reduce the numbers of Soviet tanks in mass formations at the cost of the airframes and pilots, which were not expected to survive combat. Obsolete even before it entered service, it had primitive electronics and was too slow, to unmaneuverable, too poorly armored, to be considered anything more than a way to deliver pilots to the sites of their suicides. The fact that even Iraq, with its practically non-existent air-defenses proved quite capable of taking down A-10s only emphasized the reality that this half-a-century old flying coffin needs to stop soaking up money and other resources.
The F16 has, for years, been nothing more than an expensive, fragile lawn dart. Any opposing peer airforce will take them out before they even get into combat range. Not that that is really necessary. Most of them are falling apart on their own, due to the hours on their airframes.
American submarines are enormous, noisy, and trivially tracked by side scan satellite radar originally intended to track wave heights. Even Norh Korean and Iranian diesel electric submarines have repeatedly proved capable of evading, tracking, attacking and defeating US submarines.
I’d add easily spoofed GPS and trivially jammed satellite communications to the list of things without which the US cannot fight.

Posted by: Hermit | Dec 12 2022 6:17 utc | 174

Wonder what this portends if accurate?
“According to The Insider’s sources, the presidential administration is about to undergo a serious shakeup: a number of prominent figures in charge of foreign policy will be leaving their posts. Some of the forthcoming resignations include Yuri Ushakov, Putin’s aide in charge of foreign policy; Igor Maslov, head of the Presidential Directorate for Interregional and Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries; Valery Fedorov, overseer of the Transcaucasia; and Filipp Ilyichev, overseer of Africa and Israel. Their activities in recent years have been accompanied by humiliating failures”
https://theins.ru/en/politics/257740

Posted by: Jerr | Dec 12 2022 6:31 utc | 175

❗️What they write in Ukrainian TG channels:
The Office of the President wants to use Russia’s experience with the Shahid drones, which became the Geranium. Kyiv proposed to the Pentagon the idea of converting NATO weapons into Ukrainian ones, primarily for drones and new types of weapons.
Britain has told Kyiv that Moscow has decided to continue missile strikes on critical infrastructure throughout the winter to destroy Ukraine’s industrial potential. Russia seeks to move the war into a protracted phase with maximum damage to the economy of Ukraine, so that the West fully finances its budget and expenses, while incurring serious costs.
Kyiv is increasingly concerned about the position of the West on the prospects for war. Earlier, US Secretary of State Blinken, and now former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, said that the West would help Ukraine “to push back Russian troops to the border as of February 24.” The West does not want to hear about a possible military campaign of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Crimea and the LDNR.
In Kyiv, they fear that information about “arrivals” may destabilize the situation in Ukraine. Therefore, the authorities have imposed a direct ban on publications about “arrivals”, and Ukrainians are preparing fines for a photo, video or description with an exact indication of the place where the missile hit.
The Office of the President set the task of the General Staff to organize strikes against critical infrastructure in the Moscow region in order to sow maximum panic in Russia.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/24618

Posted by: Down South | Dec 12 2022 6:37 utc | 176

Re:
blues | Dec 12 2022 3:44 utc | 162
you wrote:
”-// From the Kremlin: “The United States approved directly striking Russia. territory. In its turn, Russia will directly strike the United States, Putin says.” //
Can you please provide a link for that? thanks

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 12 2022 6:39 utc | 177

@Ed
Serbian geostrategical location is the modt worst anybody can imagine. Surrounded only by enemies. Not even a small backdoor at the borders get supplied with important goods.
Ukraine borders re open for 24/7 nonstop supply by NATO and EU. Even under this disastrously conditions the serbian secret service knows whats going on in front of their eyes.
Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 11 2022 20:29 utc | 98
Yes, and even the Donbass has the friendly border with Russia and supplies and help from them. Russia should have and should be helping it a whole lot more though. This weak help from Russia is worrisome. Russia could have also helped Serbia rebuild after the NATO bombing but it wouldn’t do anything. Serbs were even flying Russians to Serbia to try and interest them in the rebuilding. Serbia was rebuilding at an intense pace after the NATO bombing, and actually, in underground areas was starting to rebuild things while NATO was bombing. But Russia wouldn’t help. Then after the western-backed coup, the rebuilding ground to almost a halt. Not a single country would significantly help Serbia, while many were involved in attacking it or working against it. Even Russia went along with the 90’s sanctions, the ICTY kangaroo court, and it didn’t veto the bombings of the Bosnian Serbs in ’94 and ’95. The west even used Yeltsin to tell the Bosnian Serbs to halt when they were gaining ground. And the Serbs, unwisely, obeyed.

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 12 2022 6:46 utc | 178

The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s.
Well fantasy is available to hallucinogenic consumers !
USSR had huge manufacturing capacity 1945 – it was able to rebuilt Ukraine SSR without Marshall Aid. It was able to produce a hydrogen bomb before the UK and an atom bomb 3 years before UK.
Nazi technology was not so special but it did save US industry with all those stolen patents and scientists –
Churchill was comatose during his 1951 Government and a total disaster……..he started mass-immigration to provide cheap labour for London buses.
Churchill tried to attack USSR 1945 – Operation Unthinkable – Truman refused to back him and Churchill lost the 1945 Election in a landslide

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 12 2022 7:08 utc | 179

Bold is coming from system – I used no bold

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 12 2022 7:09 utc | 180

American submarines are enormous, noisy, and trivially tracked by side scan satellite radar originally intended to track wave heights. Even Norh Korean and Iranian diesel electric submarines have repeatedly proved capable of evading, tracking, attacking and defeating US submarines
Posted by: Hermit | Dec 12 2022 6:17 utc | 174

If true – and I tend to believe it – then Russia has capability for Strategic First Strike upon continental US (with very little odd of retaliation).

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 12 2022 7:32 utc | 181

wagner base being hit . only source so far is the quote from uk foreign minister. so i assume its baloney. i looked about for info. nothing. probably just cope for all the good work in the last few weeks and the obvious need to bolster the seemingly farcical mozarts. mozarts didnt win the forest battle of the bands the other day.

Posted by: hankster | Dec 12 2022 7:55 utc | 182

Translated from Russian FYI:
ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z)) (Public/No TG app needed, browse-able link – includes Situ map)
Situation on the Bakhmut direction – December 11, 2022
▪️To the southeast of Bakhmut, the Wagner PMCs advanced to the southern part of Fyodor Maksimenko Street and came close to the waste-sorting plant;
▪ At the same time, developing an offensive from the direction of the Asphalt Plant, the musicians’ units also occupied the northern part of Fyodor Maksimenko Street;
▪️The Wagner PMCs fully control the Artemivsk Champagne Factory and the Siniat factory;
▪️North of the industrial zone, the Wagnerians came out from the south to Trudovykh Resursov Street;
▪️ fierce fighting continues in Opytnoye.
@ Mary
IntelSlavaZ likely just taking a break, other TG channels active.
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 15:03 utc | 14

I have a bottle of “Krimskoye” champagne at home, which was produced in that factory. As soon as they conquered Bakhmut completely I will open it 😉
But I wonder if these bottles will rise in price in the future. At the moment there are still plenty of them in all the supermarkets here in Germany, for a reasonable price. Maybe a good investment (?)

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Dec 12 2022 7:56 utc | 183

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 12 2022 6:09 utc | 170

bevin | Dec 11 2022 14:54 utc | 5
Transcript to McGregor interview videos is available in the descriptions.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 11 2022 19:36 utc | 32

@Klaatu, @all
@Klaatu mentioned over on the other open thread that transcripts of the Vlahos/MacGregor discussions were available via the description on the YouTube video. I can’t seem to find them… I’m probably missing something blindingly obvious but if anyone can provide the links that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Dec 12 2022 1:38 utc | 153

I couldn’t find the transcripts either.
Klaatu???

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 12 2022 8:08 utc | 184

K @119
has it occurred to anyone that Merkel … could be lying about her past intentions with Minsk?
That is exactly the theory B has proposed in his article on the Merkel interview.
Posted by: grunzt | Dec 11 2022 21:54 utc | 124
Maybe she didn’t lie. But the question remains is why she said what she said.
I wonder if she is trying to send a -strong- message to her protege Ursula von der Leyen.
Ursula von der Leyen wants to start war crime trials against Russia – maybe Merkel intends to remind her that war crimes trials cut in several directions, and that Germany’s government is implicated in war crimes of the past 8 years. For which Russia collected evidence. Ursula was Merkel’S minsiter of defence before she became commission president. Maybe Merkel reminded her that any real war crimes trials will include her as one of the defendants – not as one of the judges.
Merkel might have also intended the messages for her successor Olaf Scholz and his cabinet. Olaf Scholz has also been part of her governments. He cannot claim not to know German intentions pressing for the Minsk agreements – or what the Minsk ageements actually entailed. Yet his government still propagates the lie that Russia did not “fulfill its obligations under the Minsk agreements”. Olaf Scholz attacked Merkel sharply for her interview, saying that she is no longer part of the government, therefore should keep her mouth shut. It would seem that Merkel scored a hit.

Posted by: Martina | Dec 12 2022 8:12 utc | 185

@ Doug Hillman | Dec 12 2022 4:25 utc | 166
Indeed. Hence precisely why Blissex dumped the sewerage, whilst briefly extolling the content as ‘quite amazing‘. Not.
Also why ‘Bill Smith’ wasted two posts backing ‘Blissex’.
It’s rather off-putting & disrespectful, IMV. B, MOA & contributors certainly deserve a better grade of allocated Trolls than we’re receiving. Ah well, funding, hence piece-rates low & electricity short … morale waning … 😉
Cheers

Ukrainian soldiers in frontline receive training for off-road driving
Aim is to teach important techniques to those who drive in difficult terrain conditions in frontline, says off-road trainer.

Considering modern MBTs or IFV/APCs are as rare as hens teeth in the now ‘Zombiefied’ AFU, the drivers of the ‘ISIS’-style pick-up ‘Technicals’ & myriad EU SUVs, even civvy passenger vehs, obviously need the abbreviated ‘crash’ courses, to reach the ‘frontline’, on the way to Valhalla. Such ‘winning’, not.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 8:19 utc | 186

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 12 2022 6:46 utc | 178
I went on holiday to Serbia this summer, walking in the unspoilt countryside. I found it very civilised, very friendly and very cheap. An enormous contrast from when I last visited just after the war when it was in a desperate state. Strongly recommended for anyone looking for a break (but not in winter when I am told it is miserable!!)

Posted by: Tim | Dec 12 2022 8:26 utc | 187

Generally to all but especially to :
@ Gt Stroller | Dec 12 2022 5:01 utc | 168
“ undemocrat dolts who think they know better..”
@ Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:29 utc | 71
“We’re still bound by the ECHR
These are facts. But dickheads like you aren’t interested in facts. “
lol GS troller (!)- only a Dolt and a Dickhead still believes the LIES.
The European Court of Human Rights was NOT a EU institution, it predates it. Even wiki puts it succinctly:
‘On 10 December 1948, the United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which aims to promote the universal recognition of rights set out therein, in order to strengthen the protection of human rights at the international level.
While hugely important in setting a global standard for the first time, the declaration was essentially aspirational, and had no judicial enforcement mechanism. A year later, the twelve member states of the newly-created Council of Europe began work on the European Convention on Human Rights, drawing inspiration from the rights already set out in the Declaration, but with the crucial difference that – for the European countries which chose to sign up to it – there would be a judicial mechanism to ensure that they respected the basic rights of their citizens.’
That is a what you can call a real FACT.
Not that the ECHR has not also been corrupted and become malleable by the resurgent fascists with its single judge procedures as was illustrated by the recent case of freedom fighter and independent journalist prisoned by a colonial tun judiciary in Scotland.Craig Murray.
Russia had been party to it until it was forced to finally respond to the provocations in the Donbass this February, it resigned with notice to withdraw at the end of the year but the Corrupt decided that a notice period wasn’t necessary and made it effective the following day! So much for procedure 🤣
The ukrop fascist western led , raised from dead nazi vampiric attack and another attempt at taking Russia has failed but it has succeeded in its associated motive of cutting down the ever closer and more powerful Union that was ready to jettison the occupying FUKUS military powers and their American command and control imperialists through natzo.
The reason , another one, that has forced Merkel to cross the Rubicon and declare the tent she has stepped out of to be the rancid piss pot it is.
If you want to discuss BrexShit further gt s-troller, bring it to the open thread, I’ll dance🤨

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2022 8:32 utc | 188

@ Hermit | Dec 12 2022 6:17 utc | 174
In addition, expect a significant number of unexpected total catastrophic losses of ‘modern’ US Navy subs, when under threat in true combat conditions, are forced to exceed maximum safe dive depth. ALL US sub hull alloys used in manufacture for over more than two decades now were built & commissioned with falsely certified (ie fraudulently lab tested & certified(substandard – non-spec)) metals.
Oops. Late stage endemic corruption & Empire decline. So sad.
@ Paul Greenwood | Dec 12 2022 7:08 utc | 179
Indeed. Dog, what utter dross that was …
@ Helmuth von Moltke | Dec 12 2022 7:56 utc | 183
Prost ! 🙂

Brian Berletic’s Newatlas Channel
NEW VIDEO: The Ukraine Arms Drain: Now and in the Future Youtube. Runtime 33m37s.
Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for December 12, 2022.
▪️ Russia continues its war of attrition – focusing on exhausting and overwhelming critical Ukrainian defenses around Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine/western Russia;
▪️ Despite claims that Russian missile stockpiles are depleted, Russia continues carrying out regular, large-scale missile barrages against Ukrainian infrastructure;
▪️Latest US assistance package for Ukraine continues the trend of dwindling, inadequate support for Ukraine;
▪️ US government procurement numbers over the course of the next 2-5 years indicates that at no time in the near future will the US be capable of producing let alone supplying Ukraine with the number of weapons and ammunition it requires;
▪️While Russian production data is not available, the fact that Russia’s stockpiles and military were configured for large-scale protracted and intense combat suggests its military industrial output is likewise configured for such demands;
▪️The Western media is now admitting that Ukraine can neither win, nor is there any moral imperative to ensure that it does…

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 8:45 utc | 189

@Outraged | Dec 12 2022 8:45 utc | 189

ALL US sub hull alloys used in manufacture for over more than two decades now were built & commissioned with falsely certified (ie fraudulently lab tested & certified(substandard – non-spec)) metals.

One could buy decent quality metals in Russia. 😉

Posted by: Goingo | Dec 12 2022 8:54 utc | 190

Greg Galloway @ 181
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Yes. Has been that way for some time. US has exactly 14 submarines armed with nukes and 11 carrier groups and all can be and I would assume are tracked full time. And are all merely targets.
And then crap like a forty year old Tu-141 gets through to the Engels airbase, which is a premier target. At the capital S Strategic level Russia could pull off a first strike. The cost would still be very high.
Only place submarines can fully hide is at the pole under two meters or more of ice. Disregard the ideologue morons telling you about rebound in Arctic ice. The submarine visibility issue is why US Navy tracks sea ice. Take a look at current HYCOM chart. You will have to go to archived charts to even see it clearly , the dark gray line at about 2.25 meters thickness does not make sense for constructing a color scale unless that is the only important part of the chart. Inside that line is where Russia cannot see. It is winter and there are only tiny areas in which to hide. Maybe 1% of Arctic Ocean. The Northern Sea Route is shipping Russian oil year round. With the much increased sea traffic the ability to pick up military activity is enhanced.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 12 2022 8:55 utc | 191

@Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 11 2022 19:27 utc | 83
Where does the average Abrams tank fill up with Jet-B fuel in East Ukraine?

Posted by: JamesB | Dec 12 2022 9:09 utc | 192

Passerby @ 111
Let those Abrams tanks end up in Ukraine. Overweight junk. Sinks in wet soil where Russian gear floats. Prefers to be transported to battle on a flatbed truck. Requires large amounts of special fuel. Requires infinite maintenance. Designed and built for desert operation and fourth world operation. Product of General Dynamics, which is straight mafia. When you can still claim major involvement in Kennedy assasination you can get appropriations for any crap you want to sell.

Posted by: oldhipie | Dec 12 2022 9:19 utc | 193

Posted by: JamesB | Dec 12 2022 9:09 utc | 192
They can operate on other fuels than JP8, just not as effectively, diesel, petrol, kerosene or an admixture of all.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Dec 12 2022 9:28 utc | 194

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 12 2022 8:32 utc | 188
Yes, that court is a court of monkeys, or is it kangaroos.
A court in name, not much more.
“Between 2007 and 2017, the number of cases dealt with each year was relatively constant (between 1,280 and 1,550); two-thirds of cases were repetitive and most concerned a few countries: Turkey (2,401), Russia (2,110), Romania (1,341), and Poland (1,272).”
Quite interesting that Poland has such a noble position in case load. What’s up with that ?
Someone who is very busy in this World however is missing from the “most concerned a few countries” category. If this Court was for real, then they would be at the head of the list.
“In 2010, the court received the Freedom Medal from the Roosevelt Institute.[122] In 2020, the Greek government nominated the court for the Nobel Peace Prize.[123]
I take that as a Joke. Similar to the one where Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize. Giving institutions prizes like this is pure PR to convince the Masses of “What a Wonderful World We Live In”.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 12 2022 9:33 utc | 195

@ Goingo | Dec 12 2022 8:54 utc | 190
One could buy decent quality metals in Russia. 😉
Indeed. Though very much now ‘past tense’ for US & vassals since Feb22, especially Titanium sponge … so sad, too bad, for Empire, US MIC as well as Boeing/Airbus. 😉
@ oldhipie | Dec 12 2022 9:19 utc | 193
Yep, 73 damned tons of over-wide, F-35 Lighting II MBT analogue. Oh, and no remaining trained AFU tankers, so if deployed will likely be crewed by AFU two week crash course forced conscripted.
In any case, even if manned by Polish ‘Merc’ crews, how will the survival outcome be any different compared to extinct AFU ex-soviet MBTs given no change in battlefield conditions, ie RF Strategic & Operational as well as Air Dominance & initiative, demonstrated capacity to shape & control the battlefield as it sees fit, next to nil AFU fire support, no longer AFU capacity for combined arms maneuver operations. Merely large bulky ‘surface targets’ in current situ.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 12 2022 9:51 utc | 196

Russia fires old missiles:
BBC: “From a forensic analysis of the remains, our experts have determined Russia is using old Soviet missiles. This must mean their stocks are close to depleted!”
Russia fires new missiles:
BBC: “From a forensic analysis of the remains, our experts have determined Russia has been forced to manufacture new missiles. This must mean their stocks are close to depleted!”
… There’s just no winning the propaganda narrative …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 12 2022 10:26 utc | 197

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 12 2022
And anyone else who cannot find the Vlahos/Macgregor interview transcripts
You need to follow the links b put in the article which takes you to Michaels videos on his channel.
Click or press the little down pointer at the far left of the title…the show transcript button is at the bottom of the description box that drops down. Press that and your cooking with gas.
The same with parts 2 & 3.
As YouTube is full of plagiarists you may see the vids on another channel and the transcripts will probably be missing. Follow b’s links

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 12 2022 10:27 utc | 198

The British tend to be underestimated here. They have been active in distant wars for a very long time (hundreds of years). As they are today, their intelligence services may employ more persons than their army, navy or air force. In all of their chicanery only the Americans have bested them and bested them badly. Think of FDR bankrupting them and the Eisenhower stripping them of their role as a global player at Suez. Those things left a mark.
If you look around you will find opinions that British intelligence somewhat controls different elements of the US government. The State Department is said to be very anglicized. Who know what is going on with the different US intelligence agencies. We do know from public information that all the strands of the plot to unseat Trump had a British connection. Every escalatory action in The Ukraine against the Russians seems to have British finger prints on it.
Could this entire Ukraine episode be the British doing a reverse Suez on the Americans? Just today I saw (on Zerohedge) Boris urging the Americans to give the Ukrainians long range missiles and fighter planes. “Dismisses risk of stumbling into nuclear conflict as “total nonsense”…”. Sounds a lot like urging a drunk person to pick a fight with the biggest bruiser in the place.

Posted by: Leander Starr | Dec 12 2022 10:47 utc | 199

when Russia wins this war, the propaganda will possibly shift to “Russia’s greatest strategic mistake was winning this war, and here’s why………..”. either that or Ukraine will get dumped in the memory hole like Afghanistan.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 12 2022 10:53 utc | 200