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December 11, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-222

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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Larry Johnson posted this:
https://sonar21.com/the-war-in-ukraine-has-exposed-the-weakness-of-the-u-s-military/
I don’t fully agree with the contention that the Amerikastani military is only capable of expeditionary warfare against people who can’t shoot back; they still have a fairly good air force (at least until the unsexy A 10s and F 16s are all replaced by F 35 junk) and a good submarine force. Their primary weakness is the immensely vulnerable logistics that any war they fight is predicated on; supplies for their luxury-dependent troops, spare parts and maintenance for their immensely complicated weapons systems, and of course the absolute dependence on surveillance electronic technology. In a war against Russia and/or China…in a war against Iran…they could depend on none of that.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 11 2022 14:08 utc | 1

I have come to the conclusion that Merkel was in a strange manner, and implicitly giving putin the causus belli for the start of SMO.
She could simply stay silent regarding ukraine not implementing the minsk accords and just buying time.
All this means ukraine and the western backers were at fault, and she comitted political suicide, since she has been under heavy criticism after her interview.
In a surreal manner she gave a wink to putin.
She knows very well who are the devils

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 14:12 utc | 2

I am just contended that Russia is going to win this war. Hands down.
I am going to enjoy seeing the woke journalists trying to explain that!
This world is getting nuttier and nuttier.

Posted by: g wiltek | Dec 11 2022 14:15 utc | 3

I am just contended that Ukraine is going to win this war. Hands down.
I am going to enjoy seeing the fifth column trying to explain that!
This world is getting nuttier and nuttier.

Posted by: not wiltek | Dec 11 2022 14:27 utc | 4

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 11 2022 14:08 utc | 1
they still have a fairly good air force (at least until the unsexy A 10s and F 16s are all replaced by F 35 junk) and a good submarine force.
Wars are won and lost on the ground. The US Army is trying to sustain its huge budget and its almost half-million person ground force by its dreamed-up “full domain” program where Army will provide long-distance surface fires and everybody will talk to each other. But the inability to succeed against the Russia “acute threat” and China “possible threat” is still and will remain a pipe-dream. In fact the army is utilizing National Guard ‘weekend warriors’ for many tasks, including protecting the stealing of Syria’s petroleum and training Ukies.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 14:35 utc | 5

… In a surreal manner she gave a wink to putin.

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 14:12 utc | 2

Agreed that it’s a possibility. Merkel’s admission breaks a kind of narrative deadlock and might be an agreed upon component of some kind of deal that we’re otherwise unaware of.
I’ll note that RF may well have captured westerner whose interrogation confirms the same obvious facts, perhaps Merkel agreed to be the messenger as a face-saving compromise for some POWs.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 11 2022 14:37 utc | 6

@ Hugo | Dec 11 2022 14:12 utc | 2
Merkel was in a strange manner, and implicitly giving putin the causus belli for the start of SMO.
No, it was all US/Ukraine who instigated the war. Merkel had no influence.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 14:38 utc | 7

Commenters here should understand that a NATO defeat in Ukraine will be much easier to process by the USA amnesia machine than the vastly greater disaster in Afghanistan. 20 years and 500 billion dollars of folly, and nobody even mentions Afghanistan in the U.S. When America abandons Ukraine next year, it will be on to the next neocon debacles: Taiwan and Iran. Until Americans directly feel pain resulting from stupid wars, the stupidity will continue.

Posted by: HH | Dec 11 2022 14:40 utc | 8

This war is out of control.
Does anyone have sources on any of the following:
1. Monthly Ukranian refugee flows.
2. Weekly Ukranian electrical grid status. (There must be commercial satellite photos of the country at night… anyone paying for those, analyzing and keeping records?)
3. A good book about the history of Russia and Ukraine.

Posted by: GoFast | Dec 11 2022 14:43 utc | 9

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Dec 11 2022 14:08 utc | 1
Canada & Mexico had better watch out!

Posted by: Mary | Dec 11 2022 14:47 utc | 10

Intel Slava Z seems to have gone silent. Wonder if that means something beyond taking a weekend off…🤔

Posted by: Mary | Dec 11 2022 14:50 utc | 11

HH #8
U R making a good point, but
People in US ARE feeling it but most don’t understand economics so don’t know where to point the finger. Easy to convince with propaganda that “it’s putlers fault”
Also cost of Af was more than $1 tril, maybe 2 (a lot off-books)

Posted by: CitizenKayne | Dec 11 2022 14:59 utc | 12

Commenters here should understand that a NATO defeat in Ukraine will be much easier to process by the USA amnesia machine
Posted by: HH | Dec 11 2022 14:40 utc | 8

Hello fellow yank (?)
While moa is the best political site, it does suffer a bit from lack of perspective
That understandable since many posters aren’t ‘muricans. That itself is fine, but the error is made by incorrect assumptions
They either think the usa is this monolithic empire or a state riddled with decay and imminent collapse
Neither is true. It could possibly get its shit together, but the American people/culture/society have been under attack since the 60s.
Posters sometimes mention russias battles dating from the 90s, but look how decimated the US is from losses suffered going back further
So yeah, Ukraine is already off the map and will be instantly forgotten after russias victory. It’s an easy rationalization to make since we weren’t actually even engaged
Now China, this is the game everyone is waiting for. China is the place were normal white Americans have a natural inclination towards hostility
Not the least is which the chicoms are still the ccp – in other words, commies spelled out right in the name for any red blooded yank.
So, we citizens of the empire can continue to tell the truth about us sentiment regarding Ukraine, but also give a heads up to the real battle forming ahead

Posted by: B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13

Translated from Russian FYI:

ПЕРЕХВАТ (Z) (Transformation (Z)) (Public/No TG app needed, browse-able link – includes Situ map)
Situation on the Bakhmut direction – December 11, 2022
▪️To the southeast of Bakhmut, the Wagner PMCs advanced to the southern part of Fyodor Maksimenko Street and came close to the waste-sorting plant;
▪ At the same time, developing an offensive from the direction of the Asphalt Plant, the musicians’ units also occupied the northern part of Fyodor Maksimenko Street;
▪️The Wagner PMCs fully control the Artemivsk Champagne Factory and the Siniat factory;
▪️North of the industrial zone, the Wagnerians came out from the south to Trudovykh Resursov Street;
▪️ fierce fighting continues in Opytnoye.

@ Mary
IntelSlavaZ likely just taking a break, other TG channels active.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 15:03 utc | 14

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 15:03 utc | 14
TY for the link & update.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 11 2022 15:09 utc | 15

@Don Bacon [7]
“”Merkel was in a strange manner, and implicitly giving putin the causus belli for the start of SMO.”” ( Hugo [2] )
“No, it was all US/Ukraine who instigated the war. Merkel had no influence.” (Bacon’s response to Hugo [2] )
Merkel could have spoken out, could have told her government that there would be zero German support for Ukraine unless Kiev sat down and negotiated with the DNR and LNR. Any German chancellor has that power.
Berlin and Paris chose to go along with the US/UK aggression, probably hoping Russia would fall into their laps like a ripe apple.
More intelligent leaders, like former chancellor Schroeder, understood that Germany’s only good future would be in working with Russia. But they got Merkel, whose formal education was as a chemist, so she was probably selected for her ignorance and compliance. If her stupidity wasn’t going to be enough, the main building for American wiretaps in Germany is only a block from the chancellor’s residence. We know American had 4 or 5 times more wiretaps per capita in Germany than in the next-most surveilled nation.
Macron’s lack of qualifications as a leader are “off the charts”; he’s a Rothschild puppet, a homosexual whose brains are between his legs (unlike deGaulle, France’s greatest leader since Napoleon), and who is a creation of the unbelievably overpaid French MSM, courtesy of the taxpayers but doing the bidding of the Rothschilds, who formerly employed him – just like Ponpidou, another nobody President.
But the French have to ask themselves why, oh why, when they had a chance in 2017 to elect the centrist Francois Filon, and the MSM ran defense for Macron by cooking up an obviously dishonest attack on Filon’s integrity, all the leader of Filon’s party, Les Republicains, chose to simply kill off their own party by supporting the obvious media lies. I suppose they were all blackmailed because I can’t see any other motive.
Similarly, you can ask how it happens that German industrialists are silent while their nation is getting de-industrialized.
Peoples who won’t stand up and do the moral thing, whatever that might be, deserve what they get. No tears for Europe now.
No tears for America if it doesn’t begin to stand up, but I hope my fellow countrymen will do the right thing. I don’t think the propaganda is as intense in this land of free speech and I know our people are not so conformist. Time will tell, but it’s up to us to do the right things.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 11 2022 15:14 utc | 16

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦💡 @Rybar’s Analysis: The State of #Ukraine’s Energy System after 2 Months of Systematic Strikes⚡️
On 10 Oct, the RF Forces launched the first massive strike on #Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. The state after two months of strikes.
♦️Where was the Hit?
At the end of Nov, a cumulative effect worked. Limited strikes in certain regions began to lead to nationwide blackouts.
The main target was the distribution grid rather than generation facilities. Three-phase 330/110 kV autotransformers and single-phase 750/330 kV autotransformers were knocked out in substations.
High-voltage circuit breakers, line disconnectors, current and voltage transformers were incidentally affected.
In some rare cases, general control stations (GCPs) and TPPs were hit.
♦️Was the Fire Attack really systemic?
Despite the seeming strangeness, the strikes can be roughly divided into five logically interrelated stages:
▪️ Stage 1: strikes on nodal high-voltage substations.
✅ Ability to analyse the consequences for the entire system and the time taken to recover.
▪️ Stage 2: strikes on substations in major cities and the Ukrenergo building to limit dispatch control.
✅ Temporary difficulties and introduction of rolling blackout schedules.
▪️ Stage 3: isolation of the three remaining NPPs from the country’s power system.
✅ The Khmelnitsky NPP and one unit of the Rivne NPP have been shut down in an emergency. The centre and west were left without power supply. Shutdown schedules have been tightened.
▪️ Stage 4: strikes on switchgear of large power plants and power plants themselves, repeated strikes on node substations.
✅ Temporary collapse of the power system, acute shortage of electricity generation. Import of electricity from #Poland and #Romania. Constant unscheduled emergency outages.
▪️ Stage 5: methodical knocking out of the remaining substations and PPs that are pulling the power supply to consumers across the country.
✅ It is continuing now. The results can be seen in the strikes on #Odessa, #Kiev and #Sumy. Similar things are happening in #Lvov and #Dnipropetrovsk regions.
♦️Okay, but everything can be restored, right?
Ukraine has run out of reserves, its own production in #Zaporozhye stopped long ago.
Despite the PR actions with the transfer of secondary equipment, no one can actually supply high-voltage autotransformers now (except for a few from #Lithuania and possibly #Bulgaria and #Romania).
Even if the European industry refocuses on #Ukraine’s needs, the first unit deliveries will have to wait at least six months.
♦️So there is a complete collapse in #Ukraine right now?
Not exactly.
Measures are being taken now to protect the most important points. Barriers are being built at the surviving sites. Air defence is being built up.
♦️So the Power Grid is partially intact?
Alas, yes.
The restoration work is being carried out because of incomprehensible humanism on the part of the RF Forces. If the strikes were not on the power equipment, but on the control posts, there would be nothing to restore.
A strike on the control room with the destruction of the building would render the substation inoperable. In addition, #Ukraine needs to be deprived of the ability to generate electricity.
♦️What is the practical effect now?
The idea of moving the country to separate “islands” fed by the nearest power station is being discussed. The damage has reduced the manageability of the power system and is causing numerous accidents.
#Moldova has been affected, as the main PPs are in #Transnistria.
The option of importing electricity from #Europe and bringing in floating Turkish PPs is being considered.
🩸But the point of no return has already been passed?
Yes, the energy system is still capable of supplying critical industries and rail transport. But the further it goes, the more things go wrong.
That is why the strikes have to continue!

https://t.me/sitreports/1982

Posted by: Down South | Dec 11 2022 15:19 utc | 17

reply to 14
They captured a champagne factory? Once Bakhmut is done, they should celebrate and create some good political optics.
I checked Slavyangrad this morning and,once again,no killed tanks. Lots of pickup trucks/vehicles though. Zelensky complains that Russia has destroyed Bakhmut. Maybe that’s a prelude to admitting defeat.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 11 2022 15:21 utc | 18

You guys should read the western Google curated news feeds. It may be full of propoganda but they wrap it around actual information.
For instance Ukrainian officials are going on about a successful strike on an army barracks in Melitopal. One of their objectives is to cut the land bridge then hit the kerch bridge again.
They are also eyeing a naval landing near the isthmus where Crimea can be choked off from.
Therefore Russia should defend the way to melitopal and put more reserves in Crimea to overwhelm any naval landing.
If they continue to underestimate their enemies their cauldron in bahkmut won’t mean anything.
Reading the Russian telegram only does you a disservice.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 15:28 utc | 19

More intelligent leaders, like former chancellor Schroeder, understood that Germany’s only good future would be in working with Russia. But they got Merkel, whose formal education was as a chemist, so she was probably selected for her ignorance and compliance. If her stupidity wasn’t going to be enough, the main building for American wiretaps in Germany is only a block from the chancellor’s residence. We know American had 4 or 5 times more wiretaps per capita in Germany than in the next-most surveilled nation.
Ignorance about Germany, or Merkel, is so rife on this site that it is clear how many people have ZERO knowledge to support wild assertions.
Schroeder had Joschka Fischer as a Green Foreign Minister who was happy to bomb Serbia and work with USA.
Merkel was a Physicist in fact whose PhD Thesis is highly suspect because it was Chemistry not Physics and she had no Marxism-Leninism thesis alongside which was obligatory in GDR. Her family links were to Gysi through the Church and to Stasi through her father and through the Party – Demokratischer Aufbruch in 1990 – and her sidling into CDU through Lothar de Maziere son of another family friend of her father’s !
She speaks fluent Russian and won a prize and trip to Moscow for her proficiency where she met Herr Merkel and Angela Kasner became Angela Merkel even though her family name is really Kasmierczak from Poland
Berlin had the SED Party “Linke” run by Gysi; de Maziere’s cousin as Merkel’s Interior Minister having been Defence Minister; and Gauck as President with Stasi files having been in Langley for scrutiny and blackmail.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 11 2022 15:33 utc | 20

I am shocked, shocked to find out that the Ribbentrop-Molotov carving board is alive, well, and claiming its newest carcass to be butchered: Ukraine.
Old Merkel whore whoring Ukraine over to her Bolshoi pimp
(… in exchange for cheap gas = total Kraut Kontrol of the EU)

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Dec 11 2022 15:41 utc | 21

@ Mary | Dec 11 2022 14:50 utc | 11
still works for me… not a lot posted, and asking for donations with the qr code, but still up and running… probably a weekend off..

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2022 15:43 utc | 22

@JessDTruth | Dec 11 2022 15:14 utc | 16
“Merkel could have spoken out”. . .in defiance of the US/EU/NATO/Ukraine push for war with Russia
But she didn’t. So what.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 15:44 utc | 23

Merkel’s comments about Minsk agreements being a farce continue to cause huge aftershocks.
Therefore, it’s worth repeating that a) Merkel speaks Russian 100% fluently b) She has met Putin face-to-face several times where they presumably spoke Russian to each other (off-camera) and c) As Chancellor of Germany for 16 years, she was the “reliable” face of Europe/EU for Putin.
Her disclosure about Minsk agreements being a farce not only just told Putin (and the rest of Russia) that the West’s guarantees are worthless, but Putin literally just said he might reconsider Russia’s “no first strike” nuclear weapons policy as a result of them.
I’m telling you, in 50 years, Merkel’s comments and actions w/r/t Russia are going to be the subject of multiple books and academic papers since it changed the course of history (and spelled the end of the EU, etc).

Posted by: Sam | Dec 11 2022 15:46 utc | 24

here’s another rec for the 3 part series on a conversation between Vlahos and MacGregor on the Ukraine war and related subjects.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 11 2022 15:49 utc | 25

It is important to grasp that the role of the U.S. military has become largely theatrical. The 20-year disaster in Afghanistan was like the extended run of a Broadway show, a reliable crowd-pleaser generating satisfying tales of courageous troops defending isolated outposts against the Taliban hordes. Casualties were light and the war coverage and movies were satisfying.
The Ukraine proxy war is similarly satisfying to the propaganda-conditioned American public. Evil Russians are dying at the hands of courageous Ukrainians armed by American high-tech wunder-waffen. Our brilliant generals are guiding Ukraine’s efficient defense against the Russian hordes. Casualties are light and the war coverage is entertaining.
Until large numbers of U.S. troops die in a military disaster or a U.S. city gets destroyed, this theater of cruelty will continue, with the chants of USA! USA! drowning out the voices of sanity.

Posted by: HH | Dec 11 2022 15:52 utc | 26

Posted by: GoFast | Dec 11 2022 14:43 utc | 9
1. Monthly Ukranian refugee flows.
I think you need to specify your request more.
According to the info at: https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine
16,087,565 Border crossings from Ukraine (since 24 February 2022)
but
7,832,493 Refugees from Ukraine recorded across Europe
So it seems that there are also “refugees” returning to Ukraine. In Germany, for example, they are entitled to ALG-2, i.e. 449 euros (soon 502) and rent (if they find a flat). For organisational reasons, some of these payments were made in advance for several months. These sums are above the average Ukrainian income (if there is one).
2. Weekly Ukranian electrical grid status.
Maybe https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/ can help?
CNN is using it as source.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-11-25-22/h_2c89acafd51f57f4c03ecf17a0c07f21
I don’t think anyone in Ukraine knows the exact status anymore. There are a bunch of MacGywers working and improvising now.
Here is another map of power plants across Ukraine included.
Map of power plants across Ukraine
https://www.investmentmonitor.ai/special-focus/ukraine-crisis/map-ukraines-power-stations-and-energy-grid
3. a good book about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
I recommend the textbooks of a neutral state whose education system is based on scientifically proven facts, i.e. is committed to the truth.
Or you read many books and check the discrepancies.
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Posted by: Sparta78 | Dec 11 2022 15:58 utc | 27

🇺🇸🇺🇦 Latest $275 million US Presidential Draw Down Assistance Package for Ukraine…
Capabilities in latest US package include (link (https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3241679/275-million-in-additional-assistance-for-ukraine/)):
• Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
• 80,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems equipment;
• Counter air defense capability;
• High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs) Ambulances and medical equipment;
• Approximately 150 generators;
• Field equipment.
NOTES:
▪️80,000 155m rounds will last Ukraine less than half a month at 6,000 rounds per day. This follows 20,000 rounds sent over a month ago.
▪️No more pickup trucks or HMMWVs for troop movements, instead ambulances for growing medical emergency in Bakhmut.
▪️150 generators + 200 from last package = 300 for an entire nation with a failing power grid.
Conclusion: It’s obvious Ukraine needs much more than this just to fight Russia to a stalemate – but isn’t getting it. It is clear Ukraine isn’t getting what it needs because the US is incapable of supplying it.
https://t.me/brianlovethailand/1157

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 15:59 utc | 28

On Twitter, Ukrainian supporters go on and on about how the Russians are unable to “take” Bakhmut and suffering huge losses. But the UAF is, as Alex Mercouris says losing the equivalent of a battalion a day! The Mozart Group says 70% losses for its poorly trained conscript army. This has prompted Zelensky to bring in better trained mercenaries, Poles, Brits, etc–which no doubt delights the Wagner Group who need not now pay much attention to the rules of war, and can just slaughter to their hearts content. The head of the Wagner Group says his goal is not to “take” the city but to destroy the UAF– and he is doing a good job. Russia is taking its time. Why rush? As time goes on the US digs a deeper hole.
https://open.substack.com/pub/julianmacfarlane/p/not-just-bakhmut-collapsing?

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Dec 11 2022 16:07 utc | 29

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 15:28 utc | 19
Yes, they talk about “cutting the land bridge” and attacking Melitopol. It’s been talked about for almost 6 weeks now.
But ukies haven’t done it? Because in the Zaporizhe region, like everywhere, Russians have the artillery advantage and hit any potential attack group they try to put together. So actually, it seems that every day it’s just harder to launch a large attack. Also, Bakhmut grinder is a massive drain sucking most of the guys that could be used to launch an attack from Zaporizhe.
Also from what I understand the ukies have serious logistical problems in Kherson, where they sent 40k troops but have a slow time of getting them out. They arrive over a long time piecemeal into places like Bakhmut and Zaporizhe. Mark Sleboda on the Newatlas interview talked about the real logistics in the south in that region.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 16:08 utc | 30

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 16:08 utc | 30
real logistics = rail logistics

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 16:09 utc | 31

@unimperator | Dec 11 2022 16:09 utc | 31
Your correction also works as a statement of fact WRT to logistics for both the Russian and Ukrainian military.

Posted by: Another James | Dec 11 2022 16:16 utc | 32

US support of Ukraine good, Iran support of Russia bad.
from the Hill
The White House on Friday warned Russia and Iran are laying the groundwork for joint weapons production, citing U.S. intelligence surrounding Moscow and Tehran’s deepening military ties.
The warning comes as Russia has sourced explosive drones from Iran for use in Ukraine, targeting the country’s energy and electricity infrastructure; striking residential buildings, parks and streets; and killing and injuring civilians.
. . .British foreign secretary James Cleverly issues a statement supporting the U.S. assessment, adding that “the UK will continue to expose this desperate alliance and hold both countries to account. Iran is now one of Russia’s top military backers,” Cleverly said. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 16:20 utc | 33

@28
Nope the us supplies just enough to keep Ukrainians killing Russians. Its analogous to the us and uk supplying the ussr to kill Germans for a long time, with variable pressure on the Germans so they could fight Russians more.
The end game was a bled white Germany and Russia and it worked. A couple generations later both countries are a shadow of their former selves.
They want to apply the same formula over all Eurasia right through China. One bonus they want is to have Russian nukes blow up Russia. Yup you read that right.
The us doesn’t want the war to end this is the plan. That’s why its not enough. Too bad the Ukrainians let their hate Trump their brains.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:28 utc | 34

No, it was all US/Ukraine who instigated the war. Merkel had no influence.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 14:38 utc | 7
Yes. We all know that.
What I intended to say, was that to the western “international community”, she admits in public, Ukraine and the west failed to comply with the accords, so before any further assesment regarding the SMO, FIRST, we are not to be trusted, SECOND, afterall it was not an “unprovoked” invasion.
She is publicly admiting that Russia has fair ground for a just cause.
In the international relations arena, and international law, this is extremely important.
All we need now is “proof” that ukraine was going to attack the donbass before the SMO.
This way it will be impossible for them to seize russian assets (at least legally).
Merkel gave that away to Putin.
On a silver platter.
What was her point in revealing publicly that ukraine wouldn’t comply?
If I were a NATO/EU/US rabid warmonger i would be fuming after that interview

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 16:41 utc | 35

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:28 utc | 34
The end game was a bled white Germany and Russia and it worked. A couple generations later both countries are a shadow of their former selves.
No. It didn’t work. The USSR became a behemoth the USA still has to contend with now. One that has the capability to delete the USA/UK from the face of the earth and is certainly not a “shadow of it’s former self”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 11 2022 16:43 utc | 36

Or I just could be wrong, and b is correct (since he is german) and more than much of us, understands better who she is.
My english is not the best. Sorry.
Portuguese mind translating into english is not simple

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 16:44 utc | 37

@ Hugo | Dec 11 2022 16:44 utc | 37
Nothing to be sorry for whatsoever, friend. Your English is very good, approaching excellent. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 16:53 utc | 38

#36. Have to disagree. The ussr lost 25 million? How many more during the Bolshevik terror? Bled white. Now putin has to fight with mercy, prisoners, poor quality recruits, and fights with an absolute minimum number of soldiers. The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s.
Ukraine especially got hit hard, and it was well on the way to extinction.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39

@Hugo | Dec 11 2022 16:41 utc | 35
What was [Merkel’s] point in revealing publicly that ukraine wouldn’t comply?
Merkel recognized that Ukraine is a sovereign country that can disagree to federalize, which it did no matter what Merkel might think of it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 17:01 utc | 40

@ #17
You make excellent points re restraint on Russia’s part by not attacking electrical generation ‘power houses’ i.e. generators/turbines/control systems. This segment of electrical power system is typically very long lived,~ 40-50 years and so manufacturing capacity is small with delivery times measured in years,rather than months. It is also fairly vulnerable to air strikes unlike the dam structures.
Maybe this is an indication of Russia’s longer term strategy of coexistence or occupation.

Posted by: Morris39 | Dec 11 2022 17:02 utc | 41

Macron’s lack of qualifications as a leader are “off the charts”; he’s a Rothschild puppet, a homosexual whose brains are between his legs (unlike deGaulle, France’s greatest leader since Napoleon), and who is a creation of the unbelievably overpaid French MSM, courtesy of the taxpayers but doing the bidding of the Rothschilds, who formerly employed him – just like Pompidou, another nobody President.
But the French have to ask themselves why, oh why, when they had a chance in 2017 to elect the centrist Francois Filon, and the MSM ran defense for Macron by cooking up an obviously dishonest attack on Filon’s integrity, all the leader of Filon’s party, Les Republicains, chose to simply kill off their own party by supporting the obvious media lies. I suppose they were all blackmailed because I can’t see any other motive.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 11 2022 15:14 utc | 16

Funny that the French didn’t follow your advice, and les Républicains simply committed suicide. Politicians don’t usually do that (apart from Brexiters in UK, who have suicided their country not themselves). Could it be that Macron is not unqualified (being a product of ENA, like many French presidents), is not homosexual (but rather insisted on marrying his schoolteacher, perhaps a rather strange obsession), is not a Rothschild stooge (only having worked for them for a couple of years, a sort of work experience in the banking world), and that he ran a superb campaign in 2017? Funny also how the right-wing Filon has completely disappeared from view (he is not a centrist, though not extreme right-wing). He could have made a come-back, but hasn’t. The French scene doesn’t look quite like you suggest.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 17:05 utc | 42

@ Hugo | Dec 11 2022 16:41 utc | 35
“All we need now is “proof” that ukraine was going to attack the donbass before the SMO.”
Ukraine was attack the Donbass since 2014. When the conflict was frozen in 2016 Kiev’s forces kept bombarding the breakaway oblasts with artillery. On average 30 projectiles per day. But in the last week before Russia invaded the intensity of the daily artillery bombardment was growing exponentially. It went up from 30 to 60, 150, 300, 500, 900, 1800, 4000 shells per day fired mainly at Donetsk City.
This was confirmed by the OCSE monitoring mission.

Posted by: GoverntheMente | Dec 11 2022 17:07 utc | 43

@Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39

#36. Have to disagree. The ussr lost 25 million? How many more during the Bolshevik terror? Bled white. Now putin has to fight with mercy, prisoners, poor quality recruits, and fights with an absolute minimum number of soldiers. The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s. Ukraine especially got hit hard, and it was well on the way to extinction.

The “Bolshevik Terror” is highly overrated due to the overriding Cold War propaganda narrative. With the actual opening of the archives the actual numbers of deaths were in the 1 million range (still appalling but nowhere near the ridiculous propaganda numbers). Same when actual quality researchers such as O’Grada look at the 1930s drought (yes there was a real drought!) which affected many parts of the USSR (not just Ukraine) which was exacerbated by class war (with the kulaks) and administrative mistakes but was certainly not “directed” at any national grouping the numbers were much lower than the Cold War propaganda. Much greater losses in WW1, and the Civil War exacerbated by foreign interventions.
The Soviets beat the Germans because of their industrial strength built during the 1930s, for example the T34 tank was a masterpiece of good engineering. The ones most benefitting from Nazi tech scientists were the US with Operation Paperclip! Churchill’s “Operation Unthinkable” plan for an attack on the Soviet forces was utterly insane given the huge imbalance of forces between the Soviets and the Allies – it would have been a disaster. The Soviets had been fighting the vast majority of the Axis armies and were much more battle-hardened and effective. For an example look at how the Soviets crushed the Japanese army in Manchuria in a matter of weeks.
Please go away and do some extensive reading and self-reflection before polluting this blog which such supercilious comments. Perhaps you are a US state department employee? That would make sense.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 11 2022 17:18 utc | 44

Brexiters in UK, who have suicided their country
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 17:05 utc | 42

Brexit hasn’t yet been implemented. (Covid pandemonium hit within a month of UK withdrawal from the EU treaties at the end of Jan 2020).
The Brexiteers have been ousted and the soft coup has installed a globalist as PM and an arch remainer as chancellor.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 17:21 utc | 45

Posted by: GoFast | Dec 11 2022 14:43 utc | 9
3. A good book about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
May be book of Prince A.M. Volkonsky “Historical Truth and Ukrainophile Propaganda” (Rome, 1920) in French
PDF

Posted by: AndrVU | Dec 11 2022 17:22 utc | 46

@Sam | Dec 11 2022 15:46 utc | 24
Merkel only speaks grammar-school Russian. When she would meet formally, she spoke German with a diplomatic translator to avoid misunderstandings. Putin likewise, spoke only Russian even though he’s fluent enough in German.

Posted by: JamesB | Dec 11 2022 17:26 utc | 47

Building on facts from Alexis Mercouris (of The Duran), the absolutely best war commentator on YouTube:
Russia’s artillery now reaches all of Bakhmut. Ukies move into new residential areas which then become targets – this was revealed, a slip, in an otherwise worshipping British article. A civilian was interviewed, blaming Kiev for the destruction of his home. The Ukrainian machine gunner interviewed said the civilian man’s opinion was “widespread”. Don’t let these slips through in the future!
Anyway, General Surovikin calls Bakhmut a “meat grinder”. Russia has nine times more artillery there than Kiev, as a Kiev officer revealed in another article. Surovikin is content with “grinding down” the Ukrainian army, which keeps bussing in new conscripts to the slaughter. They are running out of food and ammunition, the hospitals are severely strained.
So, more money? What does it matter when it’s just transported in to be destroyed? The majority of fighting takes place in Donbass. People don’t know this. Kiev’s main advantage is the heavily fortified cities like Bakhmut which they built up in the occupied western Donbass. When Bakhmut falls, that’s the lynchpin in the last of the two Ukie defense lines. So British politicians have switched to calling the city small and insignificant. (They did this switch in the spring and summer too.) Before, it was a “lynchpin”. From which supplies are transported to the rest of the defense line.
After this Kiev has no natural defenses before Nikolaev and the Dniepr river. And THE ARMY THEY HAD IN THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR IS NOW DEAD. Their most experiended officers in the field, dead.
Good luck with the new weapons. Or better yet, overthrow Zelensky and negotiate peace.

Posted by: Tenet | Dec 11 2022 17:27 utc | 48

There has been something like 10000 Abrams tanks built and there are 3500 older versions mothballed. It appears that some of these are now going to be sent to Poland and the facilities for support are being built.
Now that they have run through much of the old Warsaw pact inventory they can now throw in more of their old western inventory. More cannons for the cannon fodder so to speak. This war is going to be a long term bloodletting.

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 11 2022 17:28 utc | 49

Nothing to be sorry for whatsoever, friend. Your English is very good, approaching excellent. Cheers.
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 16:53 utc | 38
Thank you 🙂
I’ve been following MoA, the saker, the duran, zerohedge, prof Stephen Cohen (Rip) and others for years. I don’t comment for privacy reasons (and because we are beeing tracked by lunatics).
Only comment sporadically on MoA, when i think i may add anything minimally valuable. Lol.
Just to add one note.
I Believe we in Europe need urgently Russia to win and finnish this business as soon as possible. The more it drags the more we (the plebs) will suffer. Not the russians, but us.
Would be nice to have an independent Europe, free to have good relations with any region or country without being vassals…
But hey, maybe its our time to be the colony.
Maybe when german and french industries move outside europe, maybe on that day people will wake up…. or maybe not lololol..
Interesting times we live in…

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 17:29 utc | 50

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39
The notion of the western bloc rolling up USSR is laughable in my book. By the wars end, despite all the killing, USSR military was at it’s most strongest. The British had horrendous issues of manpower and by the time USA joined, Germany had already weakened to the point they could not offer serious resistance with a few exception good front line units.
Churchill might have wanted for the US to bomb the USSR cities but imo they would be rolled off the continent. Heck, he even wanted to bomb the Soviet Caucasus oil fields immediately before Germany invaded.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 17:31 utc | 51

The main target was the distribution grid rather than generation facilities. Three-phase 330/110 kV autotransformers and single-phase 750/330 kV autotransformers were knocked out in substations.
The single phase transformers are power for traction motors ( ie railroad locomotives )

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2022 17:33 utc | 52

Abrams Tank Training Academy opens in Poland

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 11 2022 17:33 utc | 53

@44
I agree the t34 was revolutionary and they had manufacturing, but it does not an icbm make.
The bolsheviks killed principled critical thinkers, they let brain dead dummies carry on though.
One million targeted killings is bad enough.
Operation paperclip doesn’t mean anything. The point was stalin imprisoned the scientists in Siberia until they had a bomb by 1949, surprising everyone.
I will now reflect on my answers to see what other wisdom I will generously dispense here.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 17:38 utc | 54

Weather update: Central Ukraine and Kiev a balmy 9C, with warm southerly winds persisting.
(Where I live in Northern England, a seasonally normal -2C, wind follies becalmed, solar hobbies benighted).

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 17:39 utc | 55

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>>>Dear Moon of Alabama, Thank you for citing our conversation. Much appreciated! Mike
Posted by: Michael Vlahos | Dec 11 2022 16:30 utc | 268
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RIYADH, Dec 9 (Reuters) – President Xi Jinping told Gulf Arab leaders on Friday that China would work to buy oil and gas in yuan, a move that would support Beijing’s goal to establish its currency internationally and weaken the U.S. dollar’s grip on world trade.
Xi was speaking in Saudi Arabia where Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman hosted two “milestone” Arab summits with the Chinese leader which showcased the powerful prince’s regional heft as he courts partnerships beyond close historic ties with the West.[.]

Suggest read the full article. And if you think the current Riyadh oil trade with China is in USD, I will certify a certificate of title for 5,000 miles of beach on Mars or the Namib desert in southern Africa. Your choice.

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 11 2022 17:41 utc | 56

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 11 2022 17:33 utc | 52
A lot, lot more munition carrying drones needed.
Abrams also use gas as fuel, requiring a duplicate infrastructure transportation system along with liquid naphta and diesel. They are thirsty beasts so you need a lot more dense concentration of gas distribution points – on the east side of the Dnieper…

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 17:45 utc | 57

So, we citizens of the empire can continue to tell the truth about us sentiment regarding Ukraine, but also give a heads up to the real battle forming ahead
Posted by: B9k9 | Dec 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13

So I keep hearing. But I have difficulty imagining what form any kinetic battle might take. Neither party is stupid enough to attempt a land invasion of the other. Missile based MAD will not be an option.
Then what is left, de-dollarization, a bunch of small insurgencies, proxy wars and the propaganda wars which each will win on their home turf.
Then endgame of de-dollarization is that the US will have to repatriate much of its outsourced manufacturing, either at home or to reliably friendly nations. That would be a good thing.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 17:49 utc | 58

The bolsheviks killed principled critical thinkers
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 17:38 utc | 53

Critical thinkers are fungible.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 11 2022 17:50 utc | 59

unimperator | 56
The most recent M1 model holds 490 gallons (1,850 L), allowing the tank to go about 265 miles (426 km) without refueling. The turbine engine works with a range of fuels, including ordinary gasoline, diesel fuel and jet fuel.
Honeywell’s AGT1500 is the turbine engine used by the U.S. Army, United States Marine Corps and National Guard to power the M1 Abrams fleet. The engine provides 1,500 horsepower to propel the 72 ton tank at speeds up to 42 mph, enabling superior acceleration and mobility.
Google

Posted by: Lapin | Dec 11 2022 17:52 utc | 60

Posted by: GoFast | Dec 11 2022 14:43 utc | 9
3. A good book about the history of Russia and Ukraine.
In addition
Posted by: AndrVU | Dec 11 2022 17:22 utc | 46
Alexandr Wolkonsky – The Ukraine Question. The History Truth versus the Separatist Propaganda (Rome, 1920) in English
PDF

Posted by: AndrVU | Dec 11 2022 17:52 utc | 61

Merkel recognized that Ukraine is a sovereign country that can disagree to federalize, which it did no matter what Merkel might think of it.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 17:01 utc | 40
Don I understand your point.
In theory, yes, Ukraine is or was a sovereign nation (Was it ever sovereign?) Free to decide how to rule itself.
If they didn’t agree, then, renegotiate a new agreement.
They said they wouldn’t comply (poroshenko and Zelensky).
It does not matter what Merkel thinks of it? Yes it does. Germany was on the Normandy format. Yes, what germans think does matter.
They knew what was happening and they knew what would come.
What did they do?
Let things unravel.
German leadership (current and former) have responsability. As the french leadership.
Here, what seems deceiving is she pretends to analyze from a retrospect perspective, and its not honest, she was well aware of the situation from the very start.
So yes what Merkel says does indeed matter, especially at this period of time.

Posted by: Hugo | Dec 11 2022 17:53 utc | 62

Soviet lend lease program totals
400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food
And that’s the difference between Hitler winning and losing.
They revived lend lease for ukraine too – its no coincidence. Its arming the marks to fight each other for power and profit.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 17:53 utc | 63

Abrams also use gas as fuel
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 17:45 utc | 56

Well I don’t see a US LNG tanker docking in Odessa anytime soon, and the overland natgas pipeline is at RF discretion, so what’s the plan? Turkey to supply LNG via Bulgaria/Romania? Poland to build an LNG terminal on the Baltic in double quick time?

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 17:55 utc | 64

Gt Stroller 63
See post at 59
The engine is a Lycoming/Honeywell gas turbine engine. Does not use gas as a fuel.

Posted by: Lapin | Dec 11 2022 17:59 utc | 65

Pouring more weapons from the West as Abrams tanks and whatnot will create an entangled ball of fur for Ukraine, its logistic, materials, and resources. This can be another dirty trick to have NATO boots on the ground even more. Servicing and operating those needs US/NATO personnel.
I am convinced that NATO/US has already boots on the ground and RF knows that. RF knows that those ‘boots’ are shooting on RF cities.
I think there is general issue on how to blind, remove SIGINT and surveillance assets such as AWACS and various Global Hawks and alike from the sky.
RF knows that it needs to be done, question is how to do it and does RF loose the nerve and goes all in open conflict.
It is obvious that until those are neutered RF will be an underdog.
RF has amazing EW capabilities, also not much used to obscure GPS for HIMARS and other missiles.
The question now arises when those will be used? I mean, it is obvious that NATO/US are cynical to the bone with their ‘we do not take part in this war’ when they obviously do from the day one.
I think they come slowly onto the clobber list, and the issue is how hard that clobber will be done and how wide it’ll go.
I think RF might ditch its cool and just go full in real soon.
I am unsure if NATO assets in Poland, Baltics, Romania, and even Germany will be good places to start, but it just might be so, while for the folk in those countries would not be the best place to be, especially around major military bases.
Everything that US/NATO announces it will deliver to Ukraine; it is already there, and even more. Every so-called Ukrainian success is actually a NATO/US deed. With its INTEL, with its equipment, with its personnel.
What more should be known to RF to restrain, regardless of having civilian population being slowly shelled and terrorized by we all know who? Ukrainians are sitting ducks in the trenches, while those ‘others’ do serious warring.
I hope that is clear as it can be.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 11 2022 17:59 utc | 66

Abrams also use gas as fuel
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 17:45 utc | 56

Ah, you mean petroleum, not gas.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:01 utc | 67

The engine is a Lycoming/Honeywell gas turbine engine. Does not use gas as a fuel.
Posted by: Lapin | Dec 11 2022 17:59 utc | 64

Thanks. I now feel confused,, but on a higher level. Lol.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:05 utc | 68

@ Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:01 utc | 66
Abrams engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel.
Also it consumes the double than any Russian made vehicle, thus low range. Abrams tanks are too heavy for European theatre, too wide to cross bridges, too complicated to maintain and not special in anything and are yet another ‘wunderwaffe’. Those tanks blow up as any other.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 11 2022 18:09 utc | 69

Brexit hasn’t yet been implemented.
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 17:21 utc | 45

LOL. You mean “real” Brexit hasn’t been implemented. That’s the standard Brexiter argument. You’re obviously a stab-in-the-back man; traitors have betrayed the true, divine, Brexit. The fact that it’s a complete disaster in practice, on all fronts, will never be recognised by the cultists of whom you’re obviously a member.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 18:11 utc | 70

Don Bacon @#5
“Wars are won and lost on the ground….”
In a war like the US Proxy is waging against Russia, I agree with you. But remember that in 1999, Serbia was defeated by a 78 day air campaign with almost no US/NATO boots on the ground.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:18 utc | 71

Brexit. The fact that it’s a complete disaster in practice
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 18:11 utc | 69

As I told you, Brexit hasn’t been put into practice. Uk withdrew from the EU treaties on Jan 31st 2020. By late February, the covid pandemonium hit. Then we’ve had a soft coup installing a billionaire globalist as Prime minister and an arch remainer as Chancellor of the exchequer.
The EU legislation in our body of law hasn’t been repealed as promised.
We’re still bound by the ECHR
These are facts. But dickheads like you aren’t interested in facts. I’ll scroll past your further ramblings.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:29 utc | 72

Ed @70–
Yes, a Genocidal War aimed at civilians. Serbia surrendered to save its citizens. And NATO’s Genocidal intent remains as we see via Kosovo and EU’s actions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2022 18:31 utc | 73

It appears to me that NATO/US are preparing for war. Ukraine is opening bid, disposing of old hardware. Going to put Russia in a corner. Looks to me like few years out. This is the risk of going slow or freezing conflict.
Russia needs to prepare economically and politically.
What will Russia do when it runs out of better options?

Posted by: jared | Dec 11 2022 18:41 utc | 74

No, it was all US/Ukraine who instigated the war. Merkel had no influence.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 14:38 utc | 7
Don, there was a big discussion just a couple of days ago about this issue. Depending on which side you were on, Merkel may have had a lot of responsibility for the SMO. The issue about what Merkel’s intentions were when She signed the Minsk-II agreement alone with France and the US installed fake Ukrainian president (Petro Poroshenko) was never, and probably can never, be determined. But as I pointed out it is a bit naïve to suggest that she and Putin did not see the handwriting on the wall after 4 or 5 years.
Therefore, I assume that having not raised red flags at the EU or in the Media, Merkel (Germany) is partially responsibility for the conflict in Ukraine today.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:43 utc | 75

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 11 2022 18:31 utc | 72
Can’t disagree with you on that, your point well taken. If Serbia had continued the to resist, it would look like the Donetsk looks today.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:50 utc | 76

There is no way it is in nations interest to provoke Russia in this manner. It is risk to nation and an expense to nation. It is done only for commercial interest and so individuals benefit from this. They are however acting contrary to nations interest.

Posted by: jared | Dec 11 2022 18:57 utc | 77

Intel Slava Z seems to have gone silent. Wonder if that means something beyond taking a weekend off…🤔
Posted by: Mary | Dec 11 2022 14:50 utc | 11
On my phone the last comment was a request for money; that could be a hint.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:58 utc | 78

They are however acting contrary to nations interest.
Posted by: jared | Dec 11 2022 18:57 utc | 76
Nation’s interest? What is that? Is it still a thing?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 19:01 utc | 79

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 11 2022 18:29 utc | 71
Difficult to see what you’re saying as it’s obscured by the fantasy clouds you’re living in. “Real” Brexit has not been implemented because unimplementable. Even if we knew what “real” Brexit was, out of the mess of ideas from Brexiters. I don’t need to list the number of ways the economy has suffered, and the 100% failure of the Tories to replace the losses by new advantageous arrangements.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 11 2022 19:01 utc | 80

Merkel recognized that Ukraine is a sovereign country that can disagree to federalize, which it did no matter what Merkel might think of it.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 11 2022 17:01 utc | 40

Then why did Ukraine sign the subsequently UN ratified Minsk 2 agreement which committed them to initiate federalization? Among other things. Germany and France were supposed to monitor the follow up and report back regularly to the Normandy 4 format.
Putin & Co. are pretending that they did not know all along that Ukraine would never comply with Minsk 2. So everyone played the people and leadership of DPR and LPR with respect to the federalization item. Recall that their initial referenda were for total independence, not joining Russia.
The hypocrisy here in Canada is that we have this exact form of federalization envisioned for Ukraine, in part to protect French language and culture rights, yet our government refuses to advocate that same arrangement in Ukraine.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 19:07 utc | 81

But remember that in 1999, Serbia was defeated by a 78 day air campaign with almost no US/NATO boots on the ground.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:18 utc | 70

Belgrade prevailed in that conflict. UNSC 1244 my friend

Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2022 19:20 utc | 82

Looks like half a handful of HIMARS managed to get to a supposed Russian/Wagner barracks …
Guardian reports: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/11/ukrainian-himars-missiles-hit-russian-occupied-melitopol
Ukraine has attacked a barracks in the Russian-occupied city of Melitopol with some Ukrainian sources claiming scores of Russian casualties.

The site, a former resort and hotel complex next to a church in the city known as the Hunter’s Halt, was being used as a barracks with most of the casualties apparently in a mess hall when it was hit.

In Melitopol the pro-Moscow authorities said a missile attack on Saturday evening killed two people and injured 10, while the exiled Ukrainian mayor said scores of “invaders” were killed.
Reuters could not independently verify the reports of the attacks or deaths.

“Air defence systems destroyed two missiles, four reached their targets,” Yevgeny Balitsky, the Moscow-appointed governor of the occupied part of the Zaporizhzhia region, said on the Telegram messaging app.
He said a “recreation centre” where people were dining was destroyed in the Ukrainian attack with Himars missiles.
The exiled mayor, Ivan Fedorov, said on his Telegram channel that the attack hit a church that Russians had turned into a gathering place.

And they go on with a belter:
The city of Melitopol is seen as the next major objective for Ukrainian forces in the south of the country since Ukraine retook the major city of Kherson.

“All logistics linking the Russian forces on the eastern part of the Kherson region and all the way to the Russian border near Mariupol is carried out through it,” Arestovych said in a video interview on social media.
“If Melitopol falls, the entire [Russian] defence line all the way to Kherson collapses. Ukrainian forces gain a direct route to Crimea.”

You can’t deny them their bravado … and total loss of reality perception.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Dec 11 2022 19:20 utc | 83

In a war like the US Proxy is waging against Russia, I agree with you. But remember that in 1999, Serbia was defeated by a 78 day air campaign with almost no US/NATO boots on the ground.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:18 utc | 70
Serbia was sovereign. This means that the government acted in the interest of the people. The state was threatened by the bloc that today “rides” Ukraine.
The air defence was not able to protect the infrastructure. There was an ultimatum from NATO and support from Russia, but it was very difficult (economically speaking). Russia was itself in a consolidation phase.
The terms of surrender were apparently acceptable. Further senseless sacrifices were thus avoided by Serbia. A ground war would also have been costly for NATO, and the demands were adjusted accordingly. NATO itself stood ready on Serbia’s borders. The German BW moved into Kosovo after the surrender and got in touch with the Serbian military as well as their civilian population.
The following video shows two Serbian “heroes” drunk and with a Kalashnikov in a Lada challenging a BW Leopard 2. Previously, they had already overcome a roadblock, which included an SPW.
The Leopard 2 was defended by its commander with the P9, as the engine was switched off due to the crew visiting a café.
https://youtu.be/KFURbwy8rQ4
Who would have trained and given medical treatment to soldiers in their own country for Serbia, for example? We’d better not even talk about money, weapons, reconnaissance, etc.

Posted by: 600w | Dec 11 2022 19:26 utc | 84

@ Posted by: unimperator | Dec 11 2022 17:45 utc | 56
The US Army standardized all weapons systems to run on JP8 fuel. (Jet propulsion 6) It has low volatility (meaning it won’t catch fire) from lower temperature sources, like lighters.
Only exceptions are in extreme arctic conditions. Alaska forces can switch to JP5 during the winter.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Dec 11 2022 19:27 utc | 85

GoFast @ 9
To your #2
https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov
Spend some time there. Interpretationis not 100% straightforward

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 11 2022 19:31 utc | 86

@62 NoFuqueingFuture
This egotistical loudmouth has just enough background to push facts but NO common sense to realize he’s basically fighting upstream in a very strong downstream current. The trending consensus with numerous geopolitical writers as well as intelligent bloggers point to a complete 180 degree reality to this dimwit’s fantasy. Every comment seems to rub everyone the wrong way. He’s not doing this cuz he’s stupid since apparently he’s not. It’s sad really if NFF believes his contrarian position is sorely needed in this sea of RF positivity. It just boils down to looking like a paid shill for the Empire’s thought processes and operations.

Posted by: safe | Dec 11 2022 19:34 utc | 87

For: neofeudalfuture, @62
The battle of Stalingrad broke the spine of Wehrmacht.
The war fate was decided, and battle of Kursk helped, too.
US supllies, were just an appendix. Important, but it did not have the effect of a “difference” between a catastrophic defeat or win. The war would last two years longer, and will be 100 % won by the Russians. Now, I hear, is “won” by the Allies. The “west”. Just heard it propagated to Senior Citizens gathering, in Poland, by a PiS propagandist. The Allies had, in reality 1/8 of the winning over Nazi Germany. The “supplies” from US did not contain socks? Well, the Russian soldiers used their own ways for wrapping their marching feet . . .

Posted by: logosApplied | Dec 11 2022 19:34 utc | 88

@73 Jared
I guess you missed ALL the accurate info and intel on us/nato readiness and operational fighting power that has been highlighted here recently. There is NO way Russia needs to be concerned about even a million nato troops and their equipment in and around Eastern Europe. Us/nato cohesiveness, logistical efficiency and battle awareness just isn’t there.
And of course, Russia does NOT need to worry about shoring up their economy and political solidity, it’s a done deal and working seamlessly now since 2013.

Posted by: safe | Dec 11 2022 19:42 utc | 89

Abrams tanks are too heavy for European theatre, too wide to cross bridges, too complicated to maintain and not special in anything
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 11 2022 18:09 utc | 68
Sounds like american people… including the “eats double the amount of fuel” part.

Posted by: Jusses | Dec 11 2022 19:43 utc | 90

@62 NoFuqueingFuture
This egotistical loudmouth has just enough background to push facts…
Posted by: safe | Dec 11 2022 19:34 utc | 85

But he is not wrong. The goal then as now is whatever it takes to weaken both Germany (F the EU) and Russia and drive another generational wedge between them. My USSR born (Russian) partner, born in 1963, still loathes everything about Germany even as I attempt to explain that they are a hollow vassal.
It appears to be working. Unless Germany gets wise to the game. Wisdom there appears to be completely missing in political circles.
Russia is wise to the game and is doing a reasonable job of managing it.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 11 2022 19:46 utc | 91

re: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 17:53 utc | 62
regarding the US lend-lease program during WW2, you wrote:
They revived lend lease for ukraine too – its no coincidence. Its arming the marks to fight each other for power and profit.
I think you are correct up to a point; this all is a giant war racket for the benefit of the MIC.
But . . . the US does not have the capability to come close to what it turned out during the 1940s, as it is almost entirely de-industrialized, as is Europe. The US went into the WW2 with its industrial base intact, allowing it to convert its output from consumer goods to war material; it cannot do so today. The US also lacks the oil, steel, and other natural resources it drew upon during the middle of the last century.
Creating digital dollars out of thin air is not going to work to fundamentally change this situation.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 11 2022 19:51 utc | 92

@89 OK
Bottom line dude is, just like Zanon, he’s turning everything on it’s head with his unrealistic opinions. It’s doesn’t matter to me if he has some knowledge to be able to try and interpret events with his clownworld slant, he is not seeing future events the way the huge body of Russian comments and observations dictate they should be.
Btw, my brother lives on Highbury St. near Dundas in London for almost 20 years now. The amount of snow there is what he hates the most.

Posted by: safe | Dec 11 2022 20:03 utc | 93

The news about Merkel interview hit the russian allies like a bombshell. Serbian presidet Vucic looks shocked and upset. It will also not disappears without leaving any traces behind chinese president Xi.
Vucic:
“It is so strange to me that the Russian special services did not know, it is incredible that they were so irresponsible not to see this.”
“We’re on our own now”
” We can no longer trust anyone”
Putin the 5D chessmaster has fallen into Mama Merkels trap.
Putin, Lavrov and Peskov are Russian gravedigger.
They were only focused on Minsk 1.2 and NS2.
They didnt care about donbass or modernisation of russian arm forces

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 11 2022 20:16 utc | 94

But remember that in 1999, Serbia was defeated by a 78 day air campaign with almost no US/NATO boots on the ground.
Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 18:18 utc | 70
Belgrade prevailed in that conflict. UNSC 1244 my friend
Posted by: Exile | Dec 11 2022 19:20 utc | 81
Resolution 1244, our “Holy Bible”, says that peace is violated by “acts of violence against the inhabitants of Kosovo”, which were, therefore, committed by government forces, as well as “terrorist acts of any side”. The same resolution, we have been holding on to for two decades, in many places gives solutions for Kosovo from the Rambouillet Agreement, which Serbia triumphantly refused to sign. Nevertheless, it was later accepted, through parts of Resolution 1244, after the destruction of the country in a three-month bombing.
It is true that Resolution 1244 respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the then FRY, but also demands “full respect” of the Rambouillet Agreement!
Mythical Resolution 1244! – Orhan Dragaš (orhandragas.com)
The official line in the big business media is that the Pentagon had no choice but to rain bombs and missiles down on Yugoslavia because the Milosevic government refused to negotiate over the issue of Kosovo, a region of that country where ethnic Albanians make up the majority.
The reality was very different: The Rambouillet accord, the U.S./NATO “peace plan” for Kosovo was presented to Yugoslavia as an ultimatum. It was a “take it or leave it” proposition, as Albright often emphasized back in February. There were, in fact, no negotiations at all, and no sovereign, independent state could have signed the Rambouillet agreement.
Appendix B of the accord would have opened the door for the occupation of all of Yugoslavia.
You call that a victory?

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 20:16 utc | 95

Abrams also use gas as fuel, requiring a duplicate infrastructure transportation system along with liquid naphta and diesel. They are thirsty beasts so you need a lot more dense concentration of gas distribution points – on the east side of the Dnieper…
Abram tank has a gas turbine engine…. Like a jet engine… burns jet-A kerosene…
Still.. involves a different fuel from the diesel used in Soviet/Ukrainian APCs and Tanks…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 11 2022 20:21 utc | 96

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39
#36. Have to disagree. The ussr lost 25 million? How many more during the Bolshevik terror? Bled white. Now putin has to fight with mercy, prisoners, poor quality recruits, and fights with an absolute minimum number of soldiers. The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s.
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That’s total nonsense! You need Korea War to refresh your memory. USUK was beaten soundly in Korea by China’s army+USSR’s air force+USSR’s equipments in the 50s.

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Dec 11 2022 20:26 utc | 97

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 16:55 utc | 39
#36. Have to disagree. The ussr lost 25 million? How many more during the Bolshevik terror? Bled white. Now putin has to fight with mercy, prisoners, poor quality recruits, and fights with an absolute minimum number of soldiers. The ussr was all hollow only saved by Nazi tech and slave scientists. Otherwise Patton and Churchill would’ve rolled up the red menace in the 50s.
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That’s total nonsense! You need Korea War to refresh your memory. USUK was beaten soundly in Korea by China’s army+USSR’s air force+USSR’s equipments in the 50s.

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Dec 11 2022 20:26 utc | 98

The bolsheviks killed principled critical thinkers
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 11 2022 17:38 utc | 53
Sometimes unity and cooperation are better than criticism. Not that I object to criticism.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 11 2022 20:28 utc | 99

@Ed
Serbian geostrategical location is the modt worst anybody can imagine. Surrounded only by enemies. Not even a small backdoor at the borders get supplied with important goods.
Ukraine borders re open for 24/7 nonstop supply by NATO and EU. Even under this disastrously conditions the serbian secret service knows whats going on in front of their eyes.

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 11 2022 20:29 utc | 100