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December 08, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-220

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on December 8, 2022 at 15:51 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: harryash | Dec 10 2022 13:51 utc | 427

Your comment is more appropriate for The Unz Review not here

Posted by: Exile | Dec 10 2022 16:04 utc | 401

Earlier this year there was a Brit posting here with the handle Tony Ompoc, or something close to that. At first he seemed like an honest bloke with something to say but then after awhile he turned into a foul-mouthed troll. Harryash reminds me of Tony.

Posted by: Chas | Dec 10 2022 16:18 utc | 402

news headline
US sends Ukraine another $275 million in military aid, including anti-drone systems

That's amusing, the turn to missiles and drones. I spent a good amount of time on the web fighting the F-35, each manned system costing more than a hundred million dollars with support goods, a system not yet approved for full production, and now we see airborne and seaborne drones and anti-drones gaining favor.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 10 2022 16:28 utc | 403

@ Chas | Dec 10 2022 16:18 utc | 440

i believe they are 2 different people.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Dec 10 2022 16:37 utc | 404

reply to 445

Strelkov's comments appear so foolish (perhaps envious?) it's difficult to understand what his state of mind is. Ukraine is freezing as shown by protests. They won't rebel because young sane men have already left and cannon fodder remains to be killed. They won't fight worse because their attacks are already self defeating and futile - and are greatly helping Russia thereby. Long term, Russia will have peace because Ukraine males are dead, maimed or refugees elsewhere.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 10 2022 17:24 utc | 405

Posted by: Fnord73 | Dec 8 2022 20:11 utc | 73

"I see Fnord73 isn't afraid to admit being a Nazi".

I fought them in the streets. I served in jail against the Iraq war. But Putin is fascist, so fuck them. Is all my friends mood.

Yeah, right ! Or,
Si decem habeas linguas, mutum esse addecet

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 10 2022 18:13 utc | 406

Re : Merkel « coming clean »

IMO this was her coming clean and admitting on the world stage what Russia already knew, but packaged in a way digestible to the West. Nice statement.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 10 2022 19:02 utc | 407

Public statements basically saying the Russian's are not responsible for this mess is a strange path for the west to take at this time.

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 10 2022 19:19 utc | 408

People complain about trolls, but the overall level of rudeness has gone up recently.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 10 2022 21:43 utc | 409

Read the curent issue of The Atlantic. Anti-humanism and transhumanism are on the table. The west does not even want to survive. Harari and Gates and Schwab, not to mention Obama and Hillary are all ready to reduce the population. By any means necessary. They are succeeding in that. They could very possibly succeed in a large way. Ukraine is a trial run.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 9 2022 10:55 utc | 266

The population is going to go down one way or another as it is simply impossible to sustain even the current population at current levels and distribution of production/consumption for more than a couple of more decades. Not only is Malthus correct, but obviously so, no matter how many millions of times denied by all manner of entrenched opponents, from say, global Catholicism to the huge array of professional boosters whose job it is to tell the world how much better we've made everything for everyone. Good grief, had there been any real leaders in the West any time from the '60's on we would have made reducing the birth rate everywhere a highest priority policy. We could've halved the world's current population without forcing anyone to do anything other than have no more than two kids. And plenty of carrots where carrots count the most.

But we didn't limit our numbers or our insatiable material appetites, rendering our real situation no less than horrific absent an immediate, enormous global commitment and undertaking. The US financial/corporate State and Empire has instead opted for evermore selective and brutal top-downism both imperially and domestically. As for the likes of Gates et al, neoliberal imperialists all, their entire approach to just about everything is despicable in the extreme. What is required is real leadership based on what is in fact an overwhelming body of evidence in umpty fields, telling the truth about our real situation, demonstrating that truth over and over in the face of all comers, and finally, finally putting the sane interests of humanity and survival prospects of every other living thing and species on this planet that will live or die depending on what we do over the next couple of decades.

Stay this course and we are toast - all of us.

Posted by: Tom Edwards | Dec 11 2022 7:54 utc | 410

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