Posted by: Christian Chuba | Dec 8 2022 16:34 utc | 7
Isn’t the message ‘you are protecting Russia and Russians’ clear enough for them?

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 8 2022 22:06 utc | 103

Posted by: rhoro | Dec 8 2022 17:16 utc | 25 petition that has been signed by Ukrainian wives and mothers,
Someone got a link to this petition? Given how many people would be signing is must be on line?

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 8 2022 22:15 utc | 105

This is the way I see it going forward…
Turn off the power, make life uncomfortable for soldier and civilian alike in Eastern Ukraine. After as many civilians as possible have fled West, one high flyover by a spy plane on a clear, cold winter’s night. Every hot spot that can be identified in an infra-red photo East of the Dniper River is now a target. Next is bombing runs, because they’re still cheaper than high-precision missiles, and no one can stop them. By April, the territory of 404 East of the Dniper is, effectively if not explicitly, testing grounds of the Russian military. No heavy military equipment can enter the zone without the permission of the Russian government for the foreseeable future. Everything else is just details.

Posted by: MoonShadow | Dec 8 2022 22:18 utc | 107

Re:harry: It’s here for a purpose.
Ignore.
Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 21:58 utc | 112
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Good advice, thanks, I will

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 8 2022 22:22 utc | 109

Posted by: Harryash | December 8, 2022 22:04 UTC | 114
A really good further comment!

Posted by: pok | Dec 8 2022 22:23 utc | 111

@ PavewayIV | Dec 8 2022 22:09 utc | 116
Ordinarily could, have tried as requested, yet ‘public access’ & ‘preview’ is now down for me. 🙁
Will need help from someone who has a TG private account with Slavyangard. Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 22:30 utc | 113

In a recent interview with George Galloway, posted Dec.6, Scott Ritter stated that “there is a petition that has been signed by Ukrainian wives and mothers, that are asking for the status of upwards of 320,000 men. They want to know where have they gone. What’s happened to them, why aren’t they writing home, why aren’t they phoning home? These are missing.”
Posted by: rhoro | Dec 8 2022 17:16 utc | 25
Interestingly, this coincided with an article I read today in our local media (NE England), and which seemed to raise point of interest.
It concerns a plucky Ukr refugee family and their struggles to get away from the dastardly Russians who were beseiging Kiev. It’s obviously a propaganda piece, right down to them being an Aryan pin-up of the perfect family (white and blond). So far, so obvious.
What struck me – and was also picked up in the comments section – was that although the father is still in Kiev, he evidently finds the time and opportunity to phone home (or the UK) on a regular basis. His age is given as 41, yet there’s no indication that he’s been called up, despite being well under the maximum conscription age.
There might be a logical answer, but I just wondered if his name – Ruslam Rahulina – rang any bells around here.
Article : https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mum-kids-ukraine-new-home-25683895#comments-wrapper
The comments section makes interesting, if rather troll-ridden, reading as an indicator of where the readership is regarding Ukr. It’s noticable that there are more dissenting voices than there used to be.

Posted by: Red Star | Dec 8 2022 22:38 utc | 115

Doug Hillman | Dec 8 2022 22:22 utc | 121
Note the sock puppet it brought along 😉
The sentence construction is so poor it may be a bot.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 22:51 utc | 117

Been reading MOA for a few years…silently…thank you for all the learning
I think it’s time to clean up the “trolls”

Posted by: Cevede | Dec 8 2022 23:04 utc | 119

Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 22:47 utc | 130
I guess we’re cross posting. Your 130 spot on. Israel’s sole savior is US but US backing Nazi’s in Ukraine. I have watched that with interest. One point five million jews killed in Ukraine. One quarter of the European genocide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:10 utc | 121

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Dec 8 2022 16:34 utc | 7
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The Global ‘west’, read a bunch of rich families from all over the world, want nothing more nothing less than cutting Russia in small countries, each with a little puppet chose by the Global ‘west’, working for nothing while selling their natural resources below ZERO ‘dollars’ to pay for loans given by the Global ‘west’.
The old idea of subhumans never went away :[
If to AVOID this, is not a motivation high enough to fight as a Russian soldier for your country, then you tell us what else should motivate them.

Posted by: Poison Frogs | Dec 8 2022 23:16 utc | 123

… One point five million jews killed in Ukraine. One quarter of the European genocide.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:10 utc | 137
No gas chambers needed. Farm tools and even just bare hands often sufficed. Given the welldocumented capacity of Jews wrt revenge, how can it not be a strong possibility the current killing in Ukraine is just part of the plan. Stoopid Ukroids.

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 8 2022 23:20 utc | 125

The rainbow west vs Putin’s Russia. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. Brainwashed Ukrainians, idiot mercs on safari all going to their deaths. The graveyard of the US dollar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:27 utc | 127

All this speculation about the Russian army and its expected ‘big push’ or maybe not, maybe slow attrition – perhaps we should take into account the real war?
The “real” war is not this hot war on the ground at all, is it? It is the global war about the dollar hegemony, the petrodollar, shipping insurance, trade freedoms, hegemonic sanctions etc. About the creation of a multi polar world or not. That’s the ‘real’ war isn’t it?
Well then, if that’s the case the hot war has to be seen in that context and in that context it serves its purpose best just as it is. It needs not change at all. It needs no great attacks from Russia at all.
And then there’s another factor: The Russian military. It seems clear now that the Russian military has problems deep and widespread and it is coming to grips with them. And THAT takes time. During which it is best if the status quo is maintained.
And there’s another factor: the nature of war today.
Could it be that the military are forewarned and are currently assessing and planning how to proceed considering a totally new environment? Because look at this. See what drones can be programmed to do. And ponder it a little bit. Imagine how you could play merry hell with the enemy’s defences given a few swarms like this, make him uselessly expend his ammunition, discover every location of his, all his major munitions and emplacements, and even deliver lethal attacks. If I’ve seen this surely they have and surely they’re not blind to the significance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IADN50pJW4

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 8 2022 23:30 utc | 129

The troll @93–
That was rather good for a few laughs given the large amount of personal information I’ve shared here over the last ten years. I’ve never cited anything by Blumenthal, so you clearly lump me into a group I’ve declared on several occasions I don’t belong with. I’ve personally met and conversed with several barflies that live here in Oregon–you sure got that wrong, and that’s public information. I don’t even try to hide my actual name and am often referred to by it. So, given your not even sophomoric attempt to smear me, what should we infer about you aside from the fact that you’re a Nazi sympathizer? Actually, we don’t need to go any further than that as that’s quite enough.
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For those interested, I crafted an article around Maria Zakharova’s briefing dealing with Merkle’s confession and further events in Ukraine. I link to the primary source of her confession along with Maria’s briefing, “Merkel, an International Criminal on Par with Nuland”. Several have promoted Korybko’s view, of which I disagree with quite a lot. I dropped a comment about it on Larry Johnson’s blog explaining why. Actually, IMO the troll that prompted this comment would likely agree with Korybko.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2022 23:42 utc | 131

abrogard | Dec 8 2022 23:30 utc | 147
What I find interesting is that Russia takes those British drones that flew deep into Russian territory as a learning experience. The west has tried to draw Russia out, to gain some readings on its military tech. The reverse has occurred.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:43 utc | 133

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 8 2022 19:26 utc | 53
Tanks seem to be essentially no problem in this conflict. Else Russia would have powered through west of Donetsk, right? Infantrymen in slit trenches are enough to stop them it seems.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 8 2022 23:46 utc | 135

ZachM @144–
And your point is?
You’re correct that NATO wants to defeat Russia “on the battlefield” but has yet to get more deeply involved to this point. Are they guilty of believing their own bullshit that the Ukies are winning and it’s just a matter of time? Or is it as you postulate, that they fear engaging Russia directly? I assume you’re aware of the logistics involved in such a project by NATO. It’s the utter lack of such a logistical build by NATO that has some of us pulling our beards–How can NATO be so serious yet unserious simultaneously? I’m sure other barflies are perplexed by this conundrum. As for me, I opined last February when this began that the Outlaw US Empire would fight Russia to the last Ukranian and then to the last European; and at this juncture, that does seem to be the case.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2022 23:58 utc | 137

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 8 2022 22:09 utc | 116
they are easy to get and free, at least that was so for me on my pc..

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 9 2022 0:03 utc | 139

Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:43 utc | 152
I also think they may have taken S400/500 systems out of Russia to send to the front leaving gaps.
I agree the RF is learning.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 0:04 utc | 141

” … One point five million jews killed in Ukraine. One quarter of the European genocide.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 23:10 utc | 137 ”
Do say. Where are all the graves and bodies ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Dec 9 2022 0:07 utc | 143

@ Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 21:28 utc | 100

I am confused. The USMC ex -general is the leader of Mozart , the enemy of Russian Wagners …not its friend or leader

A counter-intuitive contradiction with Western corporate metaverse mass media’s narrative can create confusion.

Eugene Prigogine said that in the PMC “Wagner” there is a foreign battalion under the command of a retired general of the US Army.
“I already commented that there is a sufficient number of fighters of foreign origin, even in the reply to the request of the Czech telegram channel neČT24, I mentioned the legendary “Czech Battalion bearing the name of Švejk”. There are not many Finnish citizens in the PMC “Wagner”, about 20 people. But for obvious reasons, I cannot give precise information about them. As a rule, these are high-level specialists, very ideological and motivated.
I have a very good opinion about the Finns on the battlefield. They fight in the British battalion (as part of the PMC “Wagner”), whose commander is an American citizen, former general of the Marine infantry”.
So, the tricks of NATO militants are well known and there are countermeasures.
“>https://t.me/Eurekapress/7650

Posted by: ? | Dec 9 2022 0:11 utc | 145

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 8 2022 22:09 utc | 116 “Russian sources confirm US/NATO was intimately involved in upgrading the old Soviet drones used in the failed attacks against Russian air bases.”
Well, yesterday the claim was the drones use GPS to navigate. I did ask how do we know it was GPS and not GLONASS. I also suggested that they could have gotten some way points off Google Earth to navigate. harryash | Dec 8 2022 13:32 utc | 221 indicated it was more difficult than that. That might be true once, and maybe I am wrong but… for the level of precision that these strikes demonstrate +/- 100 feet as a guess, I suggest it can be done that way. Here is a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYhqiSTgSI that talks about and shows software to do it – on a much smaller scale than flying for hundreds of kilometers, but still….

Posted by: Bill Smith | Dec 9 2022 0:13 utc | 147

“Note how easily the West butchered and slaughtered millions of third world-ers without the slightest hesitation, for sins far less than the evil, weak assed Russians have committed.”
Posted by: ZachM | Dec 8 2022 23:24 utc | 144
ZachM, you lost me at this paragraph, even though a lot of what you said makes sense. But you are a fool if the Biden Administration wouldn’t enter this conflict if the politics were right and profitable to his 2024 campaign. In the meantime, a proxy war is working well for the MIC, the oil companies, and for Biden (so far).
But it does prove one thing, Biden and the EU elites have no respect for Ukraine, and they are no friend of the Ukrainian people.
Friends don’t let friends die in a proxy war that they started.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 9 2022 0:16 utc | 149

tucenz | Dec 8 2022 23:20 utc | 143
I believe their preferred method was rounding up the Poles and the Jews into large buildings which they then set alight. They surrounded the buildings shouting Slava Ukraini with the screams of their victims as background to the macabre spectacle taking great delight in machine gunning any who managed to get out.
They used the same tactics again in 2014.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 0:20 utc | 151

@ Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 21:28 utc | 100
I am confused. The USMC ex -general is the leader of Mozart , the enemy of Russian Wagners …not its friend or leader
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The leader of Mozart is a retired colonel from USMC，not a “USMC ex -general”! U confused urself.

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Dec 9 2022 0:25 utc | 153

Deplorable Commissar | Dec 9 2022 0:07 utc | 162
Try the ravine in Kiev for one. But here is a list. https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/?amp=1

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 0:35 utc | 155

Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022
Pace yourself mate. Enjoy slowly. Contemplate the role that Alcohol has played in civilization. Savour each sip.
Personlly can’t tolerate C2H6O so I don’t imbibe.
RE the madness that grips nations, I am sure thats a thing that has been written about but I can’t think it atm.
Doesn’t the Bible say something about Satan ruling the kingdom of man. Might of been out of the mouth of the old devil himself when he was having a chinwag with that Jesus bloke.
Bloody hell there maybe something to it after all.
Yeah Nah.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 0:47 utc | 157

My thoughts recently. The west seems to want to provoke Russia into a nuclear exchange. But don’t want to start it themselves. For the west to achieve its ultimate fantasy of splitting Russia into multiple states would definitely satisfy Russia’s 2nd doctrine of a first strike though and I don’t believe the west has a reach inside the Kremlin to force a regime change at the critical moment. My point is what is the endgame for the West? For the elites to survive a depopulation that Russia initiated?

Posted by: MG | Dec 9 2022 0:55 utc | 159

#141 Peter Au lol..
Turps
Origin: short for “turpentine”, a distilled oil used in mixing paints. Turpentine is not an alcoholic drink, but its smell seems to remind people of a very cheap form of industrial alcohol, and the word “turps” has become a humorous reference to very cheap and strong forms of alcohol.

Posted by: Billb | Dec 9 2022 1:00 utc | 161

Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 0:47 utc | 177
The bible is an interesting book. Hunter gatherer oral history and superstitions to written records of from Mesopotamia to the prophet that turned the other cheek. Apart from the money changers.
I find it amazing that the beliefs of the nomadic tribe of genesis has spread across the world. The two prophets, Jesus and Mohammad… Iran, the enemy of the European colony of Israel the only country in MENA to still have a jewish community. The complexities of life.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 1:06 utc | 163

@ seanAU… you say so much, it is possible you’ve said it all, including what karlof1 says… in fact – its highly probable..

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2022 1:08 utc | 165

I see the figure of Ukrainian MIAs cited by Scott Ritter as significant. I’d like to know where one can find the petition to the Zelenskyy government from 320,000 Ukrainians. If it is authentic (I have no reason to doubt its existence, I just haven’t seen it elsewhere), then it argues for a very slow advance on the part of Russia. One of the original three goals of the SMO was demilitarization of Ukraine, and the elimination of this many men would certainly seem to be a giant step in that direction. (If a sizeable number of the 300+k soldiers missing were from the Nazi formations pullulating in the Ukrainian armed forces, such devastation would also seem to further that goal of denazification outlined by Putin in February.) A Russian government, given this astounding Ukrainian casualty rate, would be crazy to launch a massive offensive that necessarily involves greater losses on its side. The smart but perhaps less sexy strategy is to sit back and let Kiev depopulate its territory through mass emigration to the West and wholesale slaughter by artillery in the east of its own country. This will create a natural buffer zone between Russia and unfriendly states in Europe.

Posted by: Jack Gordon | Dec 9 2022 1:21 utc | 167

Strelkov is talking nonsense or, rather, being characteristically girlie-antsy-pantsy. It’s not a soldier’s lot to “understand” the ins and outs of strategy or ultimate goals, and seldom even tactical manoeuvres. That sounds like the sort of warm snowflakey inclusive thing the troops of United States of America would get up to, sitting around the campfire of a morning in nice leaderless huggy sessions discussing the day’s plans, shall we go back in and slaughter some more Syrian children today or shall we up the anti and start butchering even more Yemeni children or continue to wreak terror on the children of Donbas?… There’s a reason there are officers and there are men. And a duty or utter obedience. Start discussing in any active army and there’s a short path to desertion and mutiny.
In any case, as FHTEX said, Russian people at large including their servicemen are most well-informed and driven, thank you.

Posted by: petra | Dec 9 2022 1:36 utc | 169

Billb | Dec 9 2022 1:00 utc | 181
Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 1:39 utc | 171

Outraged | Dec 8 2022 22:30 utc | 126 – “Will need help from someone who has a TG private account with Slavyangard. Cheers” Thanks. I assume several readers here have that kind of access.
abrogard | Dec 9 2022 0:03 utc | 158 – Re: Telegram account – “they are easy to get and free, at least that was so for me on my pc..” In the U.S., a mobile phone number with SMS is required to register. I don’t have one that I can use. Several of the ‘free’ virtual mobile phone numbers from online services were tried, and they specifically will not work for SMS *verification* services like Telegram (and some banks, on-line shopping sites, etc.) require. Note: they all claim to work and do for ‘regular’ SMS messages, but are blocked on the senders end somehow when used for authentication messages. At least that’s my experience in the U.S.
Bill Smith | Dec 9 2022 0:13 utc | 167 – “Russian sources confirm US/NATO was intimately involved in upgrading the old Soviet drones used in the failed attacks against Russian air bases.” was just the text of Will Schryver @imetatronink’s tweet followed by the Telegram link. I have no idea what he meant by that.
Asiatimes.com (and others with similar) published this nothingburger: Military sources: Ukraine missiles used US guidance, “Both NATO and Russian observers reject Blinken denial of US satellite involvement in attacks on Russian bases”. But then go on to explain, how GPS was

“…Multiple military sources in NATO countries as well as Russia contradict him, reporting that the reconditioned Russian Tu-141 drones that Ukraine launched at Russian air bases downlinked US satellite GPS data to hit their targets…”

So, ignoring gee-whiz terms like ‘downlink’, the assertion is that the Tu-141 used GPS. As you remark, how do they know this? Why not GLONASS? Why not the same crappy radio/inertial navigation they were designed to use when manufactured a half century ago (before either GPS or GLONASS)? It’s obvious they used ‘something’, but unless you have smoking pieces of the navigation box, then it could just as well have been highly-trained Ukrainian suicide elves flying them with little joy sticks and rudder pedals.
I *think* the U.S. is 100% behind it, but nobody cares what I think. The Russians are less inclined to be so forgiving of a threat to their strategic nuclear forces. Whatever ignorance or legal loophole the U.S. hopes to exploit to evade responsibility is meaningless.
If Russia sees a cruise missile fired by the U.S. (or our proxies) at Moscow, they will *assume* it is nuclear-tipped. The U.S. madmen seem to think that Russia will just have to assume it’s conventional coming from Ukraine because they have no ‘proof’ in advance that its nuclear.
While I trust Russia’s patience and resolve, I also trust them NOT to be stupid enough to endure endless cruise missile attacks and simply wait for a mushroom cloud over a Russian air base or city for ‘proof’ that one was nuclear. I would view *any* medium-range cruise missile (Tu-141 or whatever) as an existential threat to Russia if they were aimed at ANY strategic nuclear forces.
Likewise, the US would freak out if China suddenly launched a cruise missile at our B-52s at Barksdale, LA or missile silos in North Dakota. We would glass Beijing before worrying about if they had actually used a conventional or nuclear warhead in the attack.
The U.S. is playing a dangerous game of chicken by threatening Russia’s strategic nuclear forces by proxy and hoping Russia will not 1) see this as an existential threat, 2) think it’s really not the U.S. or 3) hesitate to retaliate if the attack was conventional but destroyed some of their nuclear capability.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 9 2022 1:42 utc | 173

@PavewayIV, 196
Even putting all other considerations aside, the third drone strike occurring some time after the other two would never have taken place if the US had raised any objections, they were so fast to react to the Polish tractor strike I can’t see why they would not have done the same with the deep-inside-Russia drone strikes.
Neither would Germany’s new declaration of approval for deep-Russia strikes been made.

Posted by: Saul Goode | Dec 9 2022 1:50 utc | 175

Those were not Ukie missiles or UAV’s hitting Engels and the other AFB. There is something holding back Russia to go all in, in the SMO and having 500k Russian soldiers invading Ukr, would turn them into sitting ducks to American and NATO strategic weapons. The attacks on the AFB’s were a direct NATO attack on Russian soil, meaning that NATO has already gone full retard. Once Russia responds, it is game over for the world as we know it and that’s why Russia is holding back. The sinking of Moskva, the attack on the Kerch bridge, attacks on Russian soil etc should have rendered an iron fist response. However, there is something holding Russia back and this something seems to be what Russia fears most.

Posted by: Metallist | Dec 9 2022 1:53 utc | 177

Posted by: America is defeated | Dec 9 2022 0:18 utc | 170
thank you. It had me beat. 🙂

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 9 2022 1:58 utc | 179

I think Merkel is now saying she wanted to cheat and trick Putin all along just to mess with Scholz. She’s not in power anymore, she hasn’t any problem with making things even more complicated for the new government, including ruining their international standing by making Germany totally unreliable from now on.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 9 2022 2:05 utc | 181

Clueless Joe | Dec 9 2022 2:05 utc | 204
Europe, EU, Nato – everything is now history. They poked the bear.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 2:08 utc | 183

Shadowy deals between US and RF under the table have been going on with this basketball player and Bout guy exchange. He, as it seems, did the best when Jeltzin was in power, having access to the vast post-Soviet mostly Ukrainian arsenals.
What is the point of having this guy back to RF?
Is it something he knows who was where and doing what in those days of ‘anarchy’ during 90s in USSR, time will tell.
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 8 2022 16:39 utc | 12
Yes, Bout was sending Russian arms to Croatia and the Bosnian Muslims in the 90’s Balkan wars, so he was definitely supporting the U.S./NATO proxies there.
Russia at the time was going along with the western agenda in the Balkans, not realizing that it was warm up for U.S./NATO attacking it with proxies.
I don’t think Russia will ever come clean with Bout and Russian involvement in arming the non-Serbs in those wars.

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 9 2022 2:18 utc | 185

@ PavewayIV | Dec 9 2022 1:42 utc | 196 & 205
Personal view only, do not believe it is primarily or continuously US ‘State’ as instigator. US GPS components ? US is not monolithic. CIA assist to MI6 ?
IMV Each & every one of these incidents has the traditional SOE/Commando hallmark of UK/MI6 on them. Perfidious Albion gone rogue.
Some are clearly the core Ukie Nazi’s who see the writing on the wall, again, some of those with UK/MI6 assist.
We’ll know for sure when RF prosecutes the defeated during the War Crimes Trials … or if we all get re-incarnated as Tardigrades post armaggeddon.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 9 2022 2:21 utc | 187

Posted by: ? | Dec 9 2022 0:11 utc | 165
Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Dec 9 2022 0:25 utc | 173
So Wagner has an Ex -Us General and an ex -US Colonel Andy Milburn is in Mozart who are enemies of Wagner. What a headfuck ! I am on the floor laughing; Andy Milburn and his Mozarts are apparently “ Syrian White Helmet” type ambulancemen only ,at least according to the propaganda put out . Well we know those White Helmets were really headchoppers and given these Mozarts are all ex -commandos , they are too!
Interestingly, the wiki page for Andy says that US citizens are by US law not allowed to join foreign armies. So ,what were those American volunteers doing in the Ukraine then ? They were thus mercs and could have been shot on sight out of hand according to the Geneva convention.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 23:27 utc | 146
Yep I know all those reasons , and it is frustrating, if logical .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 9 2022 2:23 utc | 189

Zelensky is a protege of Kolomoisky who financed the Nazi volunteer battalions of Ukraine. They both proclaim to be Jewish…. a weird weird world. A totally corrupted world. Soros was apparently an informer on fellow Jews as a boy. We now watch the Lebensraum being created in palestine.
Many peoples were massacred in what we call WWII. Chinese Russians, communists, Jews, Gypsies and more. Why does the west give a name to the massacre of the European jews and not the others?
Israel rides it like a surfer riding a wave.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 22:23 utc | 122
Yes, more Russians died in WWII than Jews, and the claimed number of Jews killed is said to be very exaggerated according to many investigators/researchers.
George Soros’ father was involved with handling and selling the properties of Jews who had been deported, and teenage George apparently helped him. Some say Soros detailed this in one of his books, but I’ve never read any of his books so don’t have the quotes on hand (if they exist.)

Posted by: MiniMO | Dec 9 2022 2:24 utc | 191

Saul Goode | Dec 9 2022 1:50 utc | 198
The US via NATO planned all of this. V.Nuland delivered them personally and gave Zelenski has orders. Hell they were probably pre programmed by NATO all the AFU had to do was press the start button.
The US now knows the RF homeland AD (AirDefense)complex is pretty good. The RF knows their homeland AD complex is pretty bad. Half full half empty yada yada.
Russia needs 1 million to take Ukraine. Even then it won’t be enough because the US won’t let that happen. So I can see the RF moving incrementally if at all.
On top of this the EU has all but declared war not only on Russia but all Russians. No surprise from a bunch of federal socialists nor was the way the EU built the iron curtain and censored all alternative views. The RF is going too make the EU pay and it is going to cost the EU much more than 300 billion USD they are stealing from Russia.
Watch the EU grid collapse through acts of vandalism this year, it may happen. Even the weather can bring the grid down and with Ukr soaking up the equipment its going to be hard making repairs. The next 3 months are crucial.
But maybe the RF does go all Genghis Khan on Ukr and is willing to wear all the body bags. From where I am sitting it looks like the best bet is grind it out for the EU. The EU is very close to falling apart.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 2:30 utc | 193

In response to
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The U.S. is playing a dangerous game of chicken by threatening Russia’s strategic nuclear forces by proxy and hoping Russia will not 1) see this as an existential threat, 2) think it’s really not the U.S. or 3) hesitate to retaliate if the attack was conventional but destroyed some of their nuclear capability.
Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 9 2022 1:42 utc | 196
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I share your concern and don’t think it is trollish to say so at this juncture. We are seeing serious escalation threats and who knows what we are not seeing.
The meeting with Xi and SA is significant and if the neutron bomb of a new global financial system is announced, I am hopeful humanity will move past this crazy and agree to a multipolar world with sovereign systems of finance.
What happens to global private finance and those behind it remains an unknown. If we are just neutering King Chuck and Pope Frank, that is one thing. But, I surmise the matrix of control at the top is complicated and extended.
So, while the focus is on Ukraine, this is an existential conflict within our species from what I see. If you take the cultural anthropological perspective, this civilization war is about Might-Makes-Right patriarchy with its bastard monotheistic religion children against other ways of social organization that are now joined to stand up to the former. Humanity can’t seem to bring itself to discuss our species in this context but it sure would help if we could do so, IMO
I hope humanity has the opportunity to do so and evolves away from a form of social organization dominated by Might-Makes-Right patriarchy that has held onto that power for centuries.
Let me repeat a quote that commenter dust shared a few threads ago

The rich have a peculiar atmosphere of their own. However cultured, unobstructive, ancient and polished, the rich have an impenetrable and assured aloofness, that inviolable certainty and hardness that is difficult to breakdown. They are not possessors of wealth, but are possessed by wealth, which is worse than death. Their conceit is philanthropy; they think they are trustees of their wealth; they have charities, create endowments; they are the makers, the builders, the givers. They build churches, temples, colleges and libraries, but their god is the god of their gold. With so much poverty and degradation, one must have very thick skin to be rich.(J. Krishnamurti)

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 2:33 utc | 195

Wars are not only won or lost on the battlefield, but also in the public discourse. On Ukraine, it’s clear that the US has won the propaganda war and Russia has lost and I totally blame Lavrov. Perhaps Russia will improve and replace Lavrov with Maria Zakharova who is a fighter.
Posted by: Do Bacon | Dec 9 2022 2:23 utc | 213

Well sure, that might be the thing. Though to me it’s not the propaganda war or the public’s opinion that at issue here. It’s fine how Lavrov has gone though the list of the bad things Russia has had to deal with from the USA etc. in his speech – I say so what? Being able to compile a list isn’t anything to phone home about after the event.
What matters is Russia getting it’s act together because they are still believing what the USA and NATO and Europe is saying to them. That’s just dumb. The Americans are insane – which part of that can Lavarov not get?
It’s extremely dangerous the position Russia is now in. They should be at a war footing and shutting down their borders and protecting them! Now! The next drone or missile flying into Russia airspace could be a nuclear one. But Lavrov thinks that is not possible? Yeah right.
My main pov is not about who is winning the Ukraine war or the propaganda, but that Russia got itself into this spot to begin with …. by playing their silly games with the USA all along. They have allowed the USA and NATO, and Merkle et al to walk all over them since Putin came to power (and before.)
” Oh poor me, I am weak “ does not cut it as an excuse in the geopolitical world or on the battle field nor in street gang wars – which is what this is. They chose to believe what the USA west said them, repeatedly, over 20 + years. That’s not America’s fault.
The US is still walking all over them 24/7 – Karl is projecting the USA doesn’t have arms to bring to a fight while Russia is using up missiles they only made in OCTOBER !!! No wonder there may have been discussions and shipments of more advanced missiles from Iran. They has massive underground stockpile of them.
Hello? Is anyone home? Nope. The telephone has gone to voice mail in the Kremlin. While the rest of the world talks rubbish about irrelevancies like Civilization States, BRICS expanding, and the SCO and the BRI, Turkey as Gas hub for Russian gas into Europe, and other grandiose self-defeating fantasy projects.
How much did Nordstream 2 cost again? (shaking my head)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 9 2022 2:45 utc | 197

For those interested, ExUSMC Colonel Andy Milburn of the “American White Helmet Ambulancemen and Trainers” is British ,born and raised in HongKong. You should hear his accent. I thought he was South African or Aussie having lived long in the US to start with.
He was deputy commander of Special operations command central; part of USCENTCOM .So according to Mozart’s own website , deputy boss of all commando raids and activity in the Middle East.
Let us see how long this figleaf of training and “carrying wounded” lasts.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 9 2022 2:52 utc | 199