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December 04, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-217

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on December 4, 2022 at 14:44 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 5 2022 13:20 utc | 291

Just to clarify . Ukraine outlaws the Orthodox church still allied to Russia. It does not outlaw its own ( non-canonical ) Orthodox Church that was illegally created by US/Turkish pressure on the corrupt ,feeble Patriarch of all Orthodoxy ,based in Constantinople.

Many people fail to understand the pressure that the Ecumenical Patriarch is under. Just think for yourself if the Pope and the Vatican or the Archbishop of Canterbury , was housed in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia for the last 500 years. I am not excusing him; he was wrong to offer autocephaly to the Zelenskian Ukros in this case and should not have done it . I hope a ballsy successor reneges on the deal and takes back the autocephaly from the Ukraine one day soon.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 5 2022 14:19 utc | 301

Even if Biden wants to use it, it isn't a given that Chevron will want to rebuild it from scratch.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 5 2022 14:13 utc | 302

Exactly, it is yet another pronouncement for domestic consumption. Reuters was impressed however.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 5 2022 14:25 utc | 302

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 4 2022 23:30 utc | 124

From <https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/12/ukraine-open-thread-2022-217/comments/page/2/#comments>


"There appeared to be a US plan to induce Russia to invade Ukraine in order to continue and enhance the economic sanctions the US had placed on Russia subsequent to the 2014 Ukraine situation"

https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/ukraine-everything-you-need-to-know


This, from your superb summary you linked to, is the only possible explanation. In fact I remember Martyanov saying that the military war was (for all its prominence) a side issue and the key was the sanctions war. In fact any military move on Russia's part would have triggered the "sanctions from hell". Provoking Russian military action was the aim.

But only possible explanation or not, it's only deduction. There are no documents or statements from Washington or London or Berlin that can be instanced as evidence. Just as, as far as I know, there are no documents on the Iraq war saying in terms "We'll get the public believing in weapons of mass destruction and that'll justify attacking Iraq". In all such cases, Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, we can see at the time or later that the public was misled for the purpose of gaining public consent, but it can never be proved.

So it was clear in February, even to this "outsider", that the PR put out by the Western politicians and media was a scam; but no way of proving that past doubt.

What can be proved past doubt are three things. That there was a build-up of formidable Ukrainian forces along the LoC. That there were many public statements from the Kiev extremists indicating an intention to subject the Donbass to ethnic cleansing - that shown to be more than idle threat by the atrocities that had occurred in the Donbass earlier. And that the shelling across the LoC had increased in intensity and came mainly from the Ukrainian side.

On that last, and crucial to the whole, that the shelling further increased in intensity even after the Russian recognition of the self-declared Republics. That recognition being clear indication that Russia had taken the Republics formally under its protection and also opening the way to an article 51 Russian intervention if necessary.

The date of that recognition is the key date. February 21st 2022. At any time up to that date a peaceful resolution by way of starting to implement Minsk 2 was possible. Ritter says the 23rd. Maybe, but I suspect by the 23rd the die was already cast. The key to the whole being something that did not happen. The shelling across the LoC did not stop. It increased. That was the West saying to Russia "To hell with you. Come out and fight".

And the Russians did. They had no choice. Allowing the Kiev forces into the Donbass would have led to a military and humanitarian disaster.

I looked at the analyses of such as Lee and Kofman, and some others, of the days preceding February 21st. All showed that up to that date peace was possible, indeed expected. The Moscow Carnegie Institute put out a study showing that immediate implementation of Minsk 2, if only partial, was the expected way forward. None anticipated the Russian action. That was because none anticipated that the Russians would be put in a position in which they were forced to act.

Not long after I submitted a comment to an English site in which I somewhat melodramatically stated that "The world shifted on its axis" on February 21st. But it did, didn't it? The military war in Ukraine was always a lost cause, and the sanctions war, inexorably, was to lead to Europe and maybe the entire West becoming no more than a backwater. One hell of date then, that, and comparable in significance only to the 28th July 1914.

You also write " Don’t involve yourself in discussion with relatives, friends and co-workers about the war. Keep your opinions to yourself. In today’s “cancel culture”, being on the outside of the conventional narrative, particularly in this case of anti-Russian hysteria which is more extreme than even the 9/11 anti-Muslim hatred, can cost you your job, your friends or worse."

Well, that's true. I never discuss it with my friends in Germany, who are without exception convinced that Scholz was correct to act as he did even if the consequences are worrying. Seldom with friends in England. Polite incomprehension is all there is: the story of the war they've been told is now so firmly rooted. Looks as if we Europeans are going down without ever knowing why.

That'll change, eventually. And I believe that ignoring all the geopolitical analysis that such as Mearsheimer excel in, and focusing on the specific events leading up to February 21st, and on the specific risk the Russians were forced to confront at that time, is how it's going to change. Once the central point is grasped, that this was a Russian pre-emptive strike against a real and urgent danger, and that we were misled by our politicians and media on that central point, then examination of the rest follows automatically.

Thanks again for that summary.

Posted by: English Outsider | Dec 5 2022 14:44 utc | 303

Any further delay of massive attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure is catastrophic at this moment.
Russia must create a refugee crisis in EU and make EU feel the pane.
That is the only way to stop this war.

As long as The West feels no pain Russia is in grave situation.

Posted by: margo | Dec 5 2022 14:54 utc | 304

Melaleuca@154:

This may be the catbox you heard about.

catbox.moe
and for temporary storage, from one hour to three days
litterbox.catbox.moe

no need to type http, blah, blah. oh, the litterbox has one gig max while catbox is 200 megs max.

Posted by: morongobill | Dec 5 2022 14:55 utc | 305

@harryash | Dec 5 2022 13:23 utc | 291
So the dumb NATO/USA clowns in charge have deliberately ratched up tension.
Yes, and Army special forces and CIA work hand-in-glove.
from the web
Historically, special ops units have been known to work in small units and carry out elite missions. They were called in for missions that only servicemembers with specialized training could complete with innovative technology—hostage situations, reconnaissance, surveillance, among others. Over time, SOCOM added to the scope of their mission, including missions aimed at stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and terrorism. After the September 11 attacks, SOCOM took a lead role on the Global War on Terrorism. Special ops forces grew from 38,000 personnel in 2001 to 73,000 by 2020. Its budget also increased from $2.3 billion to $13.7 billion. The DOD has increasingly relied on special ops forces.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 14:58 utc | 306

my 306
memories from the US war against Vietnam
The Phoenix Program (Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Phụng Hoàng) was designed and initially coordinated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the Vietnam War, involving the American, Australian, and South Vietnamese militaries.
The program, which lasted from 1967 to 1972, was designed to identify and destroy the Viet Cong (VC) via infiltration, torture, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination.The CIA described it as "a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong." The Phoenix Program was premised on the idea that North Vietnamese infiltration had required local support within noncombat civilian populations, which were referred to as the "VC infrastructure" and "political branch" that had purportedly coordinated the insurgency. -- wiki

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:07 utc | 307

Kunstler posted a magnum opus today - you guys should check it out.

Puts ukraine in proper context, and outlines what's happening in the USA from a yanks perspective.

Posted by: B9k9 | Dec 5 2022 15:09 utc | 308

@ B9k9 | Dec 5 2022 15:09 utc | 308
Kunstler posted a magnum opus today - you guys should check it out.
. . .what? how?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:14 utc | 309

Actually, the impression I get from Russian discussion of the event, is that the theory of short-range drones launched from within Russia itself has been mostly discarded, in favor of long-range drones (~800km) launched from Ukrainian territory and somehow able to bypass or penetrate air defenses.

Long range drones would be a recent addition to Ukrainian arsenals and who knows whether there were just 2 in total or 100+ all targeting Russian strategic platforms. In that case, it could well be described as an escalation to provoke a nuclear response, since a particularly successful strike could in theory be followed by a US attempt at a nuclear first strike. Perhaps Nuland's sleep-over in Kiev the other day is connected?

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 5 2022 15:20 utc | 310

Special Forces in Ukraine, March 2022

The U.S. Army's Special Forces, better known as Green Berets, have had a deep impact on Ukraine's fight to defend itself from a Russian invasion, despite not being directly involved in the conflict.
"Ukraine was taken very seriously by Special Forces," retired Green Beret Sgt. Maj. Martin Moore told Fox News Digital. 
"They immediately set upon a great effort to protect to Ukraine, to provide training," Moore said. "There's nobody better at training than Green Berets. These are people that can teach."
While elite military units such as the Navy SEAL teams garner widespread attention, the Army's Green Berets are fanned out across the world helping armies prepare for wars similar to the one now being fought in Ukraine. This work is typically done quietly, something Moore said Green Berets prefer.
"They do something different," Moore said. "They go where nobody else is and find out what is possible."
Moore said Green Berets are a "force multiplier," improving the combat capability of the international forces they work with. He stressed that they are not about "raids and ambushes," but about having an "unparalleled understanding of the place" where they are operating. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:21 utc | 311

Fear not, Russian citizens, your dear leader fixed the bridge, did a photo op driving on it, now all is safe again!

https://www.rt.com/russia/567704-putin-drives-repaired-crimean-bridge/

Except meanwhile, 2 massive explosions at Air Force Bases, 700 kms deep inside Russia... totally normal

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-killed-fuel-tanker-explosion-russian-airfield-2022-12-05/


Routine weekly missile rain in Ukraine...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-has-launched-new-missile-attack-2022-12-05/

and... maybe it's just a coincidence?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/suspected-vandals-leave-thousands-dark-north-carolina-2022-12-04/

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 15:25 utc | 312

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 5 2022 13:40 utc | 293

What do you mean the SPR doesnt have any heavy crude to make diesel, jet fuel and heating oi?
The SPR in Cushing, OK is loaded primarily with WTI (West Texas Intermediate). WTI is better than heavy oils. It takes less energy to crack the longer hydrocarbon chains and there is less sulfur and TAN in the oil. Heavy oils are better for heavy compounds like asphalt, bunker oil, etc, while lighter oils (above 30 API) are better for gasoline and distallates (diesel, jet fuel)

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Dec 5 2022 15:36 utc | 313

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:14 utc | 309
C'mon Don,
Does your wife hold your hand while you pee?
James Howard Kunstler - F'ing Google it

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Dec 5 2022 15:38 utc | 314

@ Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 15:25 utc | 312
re: suspected-vandals-leave-thousands-dark-north-carolina-2022-12-04/
It's just a coincidence that Green Berets are based in North Carolina.
Camp Mackall is an active U.S. Army training facility located in eastern Richmond County and northern Scotland County, North Carolina, south of the town of Southern Pines. The facility is in close proximity to and is a sub-installation of Fort Bragg (home to the XVIII Airborne Corps, the 82nd Airborne Division and the U.S. Army Special Operations Command Headquarters). Camp Mackall is the setting of primary training to become a member of U.S. Army Special Forces.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:40 utc | 315

@ JoeDontSurf | Dec 5 2022 15:38 utc | 314
I don't have time to google supposed important info.
I see you don't surf. Does your wife do it for you?
Probably. Now leave.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:42 utc | 316

@ Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:40 utc | 315

Ok. So are you suggesting:

1- an external actor deliberately chose that county to send a message, or

2- that one of those Green Berets did it in protest to this:

https://eu.fayobserver.com/story/news/2022/12/02/organizers-say-far-right-criticism-wont-stop-southern-pines-drag-show/69678089007/

Zero Hedge reports:

"There's widespread speculation that the attack was intended to cut power to a controversial drag show. Last week, organizers of a Saturday night "Downtown Divas" show in the sleepy Moore County town of Southern Pines claimed they'd received violent threats."

(MoA doesn't accept links to ZH)

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 15:49 utc | 317

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 14:58 utc | 306

here,s the thing Don...initially i thought fck..our lot at it.
then i thought...u dont get to fire drones etc into a military base easily
and ofcourse trace back in the sky.
I thought ...SAS/etc cant carry equipment very far and possibly if they were there ...they,d probably enter via distraction and kill properly.
None of the above seemed to fit...especially missiles from 800km...(how long in the sky/on radar?)...no not for me.
The only thing that fits is Gladio style infrastructure already in place for yrs with immense local knowledge...and financed externally by the fat-cats sitting on their yaughts.. just waiting for the signal from NATO etc.
These people are from Yeltsins time...and probably jewish
Kolomoisky/Migelovitch and so on.
They all want to rob resources.
they dont want a stable russia.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 15:52 utc | 318

I’m not there to triage, obviously. But IMHO these WIA don’t survive..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 4 2022 22:54 utc | 115

The Kiev WIA are intended to survive - they are only kept alive long to remove their vital organs for sale overseas. There has been decades of whispering about NATO ofgicers being involved in organ harvesting

Posted by: Exile | Dec 5 2022 16:02 utc | 319

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 15:42 utc | 316

I see.
You just have time to comment. Did your mom do your homework for you too?

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Dec 5 2022 16:06 utc | 320

B9k9 @ 308

I completely forgot about JHK, haven't checked CFN since the start of the SMO. Smart references is one of the best things about this place, thanks.

He had a page where he shat on mad horrid architecture, can't seen to find it on his sight anymore. Anyone know, did he drop it?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 5 2022 16:10 utc | 321

@ Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 15:49 utc | 317
I'm only half serious on North Carolina, but totally serious on Russia.
Speaking generally, US Army folks especially Special Forces always know what's best for the country, despite what others might think, and taking Russia down is a high priority.
I check DOD news releases often, looking for US military 'casualties' i.e. deaths, and there are none. Isn't it amazing, tens of thousands of Green Berets operating in many countries, especially Africa, Asia and Europe, doing very risky operations, putting their lives on the line, and never a death. Just amazing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 16:14 utc | 322

^^^ found it, Eyesore of the Month, I'm getting old and confused.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 5 2022 16:15 utc | 323

How I Decide To Provide Links Or Not...

If I went searching for unique items in response, or used previously known but hard-to-find references to contribute to the thread, I will include those links.

If responding to a "rhetorical" comment or general question which I can accurately reply from memory, which obviously entails a simple search by the reader/poster, no link.

Example:

The Bacon/JoeDontSurf kerfuffle? Kunstler is an easy find, seven keystrokes and a couple mouse-clicks. Joe, don't be lazy.

But if Don was just looking at the Kunstler page before posting to MoA, and clearly intended to post info from same in the MoA thread, c'mon, copy/paste the link. Don, don't be lazy.

So you're both wrong. Happy?

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 5 2022 16:19 utc | 324

I forgot a third criteria:

If the MoA poster is being a major PITA, no links. If yer so f-in smart find it for yourself. A-hole.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 5 2022 16:22 utc | 325

December 22, another "expert" saying Russia is running out of stuff which we can remember when new missile attacks happen months from now. LOL
At the Reagan National Defense Forum in Simi Valley, California, on Saturday, Avril Haines, U.S. director of national intelligence, said Russia is burning through its ammunition stockpiles, especially precision munitions, at an “extraordinary” rate. “Our own sense is that they are not capable of indigenously producing what they are expending at this stage,” she said. “I don’t think I can give you precise numbers in this forum,” but she said Russian arsenals were being drained “quite quickly — I mean, it’s really pretty extraordinary.”

Posted by: MPM | Dec 5 2022 16:42 utc | 326

CNN: Ukrainian regions report power outages as government seeks more air defenses

The question is:
Does Russia dare to attack 750KV trafo's that cannot be repaired so fast.

Posted by: margo | Dec 5 2022 16:44 utc | 327

This is interesting/clever: very wealthy Russian investor argues that to sell his millions of dollars worth of Canadian real estate, in order to pay his outstanding debts to a sanctioned Russian bank, would be paying blood money to murder Ukrainians. Judge says no it isn’t.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9317969/alberta-seizes-calgary-condos-russian-sanctions-ukraine-gazprombank/

Article also references how to make grand widely-publicized announcements, and then execute vey little or no follow through is the Canadian way (back a few decades ago, this was one way the US would pressure Europe to fall in line, except European countries would have to follow through while Canada is too small to matter. Bluster is enough.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 5 2022 16:47 utc | 328

Bit feisty w the ad hominems fellas... how about chillin the f out and growing up a bit?

Here, this one ought to cheer up some grumpy barflies:

"Berlin is seeking to become the guarantor of the continent’s security, the chancellor stated in a piece for Foreign Affairs magazine"

https://www.rt.com/news/567695-scholz-germany-europe-security-guarantor/

So... the country who's entire political leadership, media and armed forces literally said and did nothing about being told for years by the US where they ought to get their energy from, and then helplessly watch not one but both of their pipelines get blown up and can't so much as even grow a pair to name the obvious culprit, let alone even do anything about it, now wants to be the continent's security guarantor.

ROFL. WTF are you gonna 'guarantee' with? 2 days of ammunition? Sanctions? Mean Tweets? Or a phone call to Uncle Sam?

Might wanna start with guaranteeing your own friggin sovereignty first, kicking out the 40,000 American troops stationed in your country for 8 decades now... and then speaking up for your own people's interests, not Brandon's or Trump's. Those who show no self respect, will never ever get respect.

@MoA, what is the HTML Tag for the Scholz Clown Emoji please?

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 16:50 utc | 329

@ Richard Steven Hack | Dec 4 2022 23:30 utc | 124

thanks richard.. others would benefit from reading your article at substack.. great overview!

@ meremark | Dec 5 2022 5:53 utc | 204 // Norwegian | Dec 5 2022 7:47 utc | 230

the basic idea being mars as god of war being retro until jan 5th.. correct date is jan 12th where it goes direct..

@ Peter AU1 | Dec 5 2022 6:04 utc | 207

thanks.. pat lang is still looking for commies under his bed... it skews his thinking radically...anyone hanging at pats place is not getting a clear picture of what is happening with the war in ukraine and on the world today..

@ juliania | Dec 5 2022 6:21 utc | 209

thanks.. i did see hermits suggestion not using msm.. what about vintage reds term 'corporate media'? to me there general terms that to a large extent define a media that is beholden to corporations and not only not interested in challenging power, but another arm of this same power - corporate power.. it is shocking to me how anyone would believe all the lies that tell, or all the omissions of the reporting.. i will continue to use the terms until someone comes up with a better term.. the msm or corporate media is a huge, huge problem at this point..

@ Bemildred | Dec 5 2022 12:44 utc | 279

looks that way to me as well.. thanks for your commentary...

@ margo | Dec 5 2022 16:44 utc | 327

it will get done if it has to... as bevin said in a previous post the west misinterprets russias patience as incompetence...

Posted by: james | Dec 5 2022 16:56 utc | 330

These people are from Yeltsins time...and probably jewish
Kolomoisky/Migelovitch and so on.
They all want to rob resources.
they dont want a stable russia.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 15:52 utc | 318

Like how you think. That's where I would be looking.

Obviously Russia is not going to tell us to what extent they monitor roads, vehicles etc around Engels, but I bet there must be something there that would allow them to ID likely suspects.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 17:00 utc | 331

"then it ain't Ukranians."

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 13:23 utc | 293

Why do you think so? It's easier for Ukrainians to get there than
Nato saboteurs. They may have relatives there, have visited regularly, and know the area.

Apparently it's not easy to defend yourself against drones, since small, low flying drones are not easily detected. You would have to run signal interference 24/7. This might work against commercial control software, but what if you develop your custom protocol, make the signal extremely redundant?

Posted by: bottle | Dec 5 2022 17:04 utc | 332

Re: Et Tu | Dec 5 2022 15:25 utc | 312
you wrote:
"Fear not, Russian citizens, your dear leader fixed the bridge, did a photo op driving on it, now all is safe again!" https://www.rt.com/russia/567704-putin-drives-repaired-crimean-bridge/

I agree. Who is Putin trying to impress? The people of Donetsk, who continue to endure shelling almost 10 months after the SMO began? The people evacuated from Kherson, or those left behind who now endure the tender mercies of Ukrainian nazis?

Seems like a rather lame publicity stunt to me. How about sending a tank army towards Odessa? That might truly impress.

Posted by: Perimetr | Dec 5 2022 17:04 utc | 333

US declared today they won't supply UKR with longer range rockets to avoid them hitting RUS 'proper' and extending the conflict (!)...
Now thats really weird, because this statement reveals much "hidden" things:
- UKR really doesn't own control of its military operations
- UKR seems to agree with this situation. which proves ( the dog that didn't bark ...) that they don't really consider RUS as the aggressor or else they would try everything to hit RUS proper as a legitimate retaliation ( not just border skirmishes...)


Posted by: GoFigure | Dec 5 2022 17:06 utc | 334

Skiffer @ 310

And anyone else commenting on the airfield drone strike
One thing we all should have learned in recent months is that drones are simple to build and very hard to defend against. US has been behind the ball, relying on cruise missile drones from the 80s. Better than that is not hard to do. Waiting for news on what size and type this one was. Used as onesies the plan would be survey the attack route carefully, fly very low, move at night over lightly populated areas - should work most of the time.

If Ukraine does have a supply of such drones and good mapping/targeting the only thing to do is go forthe head of the snake. Washington is seeking that sort of response. Still think they can win by making it a wider war.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2022 17:06 utc | 335

@ut 225. Agreed. Also missing is any talk that WAR and all its consequences are ignored by most climate alarmists when its the ABSOLUTE worst thing for an environment. Thus climate change discussions are flawed from the start as a major driver is ignored because it doesnt fit the wests narrative

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 5 2022 17:10 utc | 336

Hm, rapid sequence of issues in only last few days re EU/NATO getting cold feet re this US Ukraine adventure ... or has someone spiked Ursula's stash or shown her, her Kompromat ?
EU must ‘take action’ against US – Ursula von der Leyen

Joe Biden’s investment plan could threaten the bloc’s industry, the European Commission chief has said

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen warned on Sunday that to be able to compete with the US’ government-subsidized green industry, the EU must “take action” and step up state aid to its own companies.

...

With diminishing gas, oil, coal & electricity ? IIRC ~45%(15/30) of German businesses have already either voluntarily ceased trading or facing forthcoming bankruptcies ...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 5 2022 9:03 utc | 237

It does seem that vdL is invoking a pretense for further eroding Europe's supply of readily available electricity.

Posted by: David Levin | Dec 5 2022 17:14 utc | 337

from Scott Ritter, at
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/05/scott-ritter-merkel-reveals-wests-duplicity/

The detachment shown by the West, as every pillar of perceived legitimacy crumbled — from the OSCE observers (some of whom, according to Russia, were providing targeting intelligence about Russian separatist forces to the Ukrainian military); to the Normandy Format pairing of Germany and France, which was supposed to ensure that the Minsk Accords would be implemented; to the United States, whose self-proclaimed “defensive” military assistance to Ukraine from 2015 to 2022 was little more than a wolf in sheep’s clothing — all underscored the harsh reality that there never was going to be a peaceful settlement of the issues underpinning the Russian-Ukrainian conflict.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 5 2022 17:14 utc | 338

[335] "And anyone else commenting on the airfield drone strike"

The satellite photos are claimed to show nothing.

https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/FjOarunXoAAEq_k.mp4

https://twitter.com/wammezz/status/1599791028827193345

Posted by: Bill Smithb | Dec 5 2022 17:21 utc | 339

#250 Really?? Talking about rape of juveniles. Some things need deleting.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 5 2022 17:26 utc | 340

"Berlin is seeking to become the guarantor of the continent’s security, the chancellor stated in a piece for Foreign Affairs magazine".

Maybe he understands this to be the main White House spokesman in Europe.

Posted by: bottle | Dec 5 2022 17:31 utc | 341

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 5 2022 13:05 utc | 285

Agreed that there was talk of impending fuel supply collapse of the Ukrainian war effort and that hasn’t materialised, nor any clear picture of UA logistic solutions. I was referring to SPR drawdown as a way to keep US public somewhat sedated, yet also on a timed fuse! Extreme uncertainty either way, purely a suggestion.

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 5 2022 13:16 utc | 288

Uncomfortable to think of it becoming a long term phenomenon.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 5 2022 13:19 utc | 289

Thanks for that, it’s plummeting for sure. US buffer against market price and subsequent moves it going to zero. Once gone, even the hint of a production cut might dial up the pain. I can’t find any specialist articles discussing the political implicate based on current position, please post anything you find!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Dec 5 2022 13:40 utc | 293
Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 13:46 utc | 294
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 5 2022 14:13 utc | 302
Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Dec 5 2022 15:36 utc | 313

Thank you all, That explains limited US overtures to Maduro and the many advantageous holes in the US sanctions regime ... one wonders if vdL is aware of them!

Posted by: Skiffer | Dec 5 2022 15:20 utc | 310

Interesting perspective, thank you, Surprising that long range is regarded as more likely, wonder if it’s a reflection of specific evidence?

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 5 2022 17:33 utc | 342

Posted by: paxmark1 | Dec 5 2022 17:26 utc | 340
"#250 Really?? Talking about rape of juveniles. Some things need deleting. "

Unfortunately all too usual here. If the 'target' is considered an enemy of imperialist Russia, anything goes :(

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 5 2022 17:36 utc | 343

Latest air strikes much smaller impact than last time...and the bombers got hit too, as soon as they were preparing to fly. AD shield in Ukraine is getting much stronger, not long before they hit the bombers over Russian air space.

No noticeable impact from the mobilization wave, except maybe total collapse avoided.

Russian high command fixated on Bahkmut wasting troops and shells. At this point they need to focus on seizing and defending territorial gains anywhere, even irrelevant places. They need to spread apart the defenders and show they can advance. Putin should step down as well, can't blame any more subordinates

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 5 2022 17:39 utc | 344

On the morning of December 5, the Kyiv regime made attempts to strike with jet drones on the airfields "Dyagilevo" and "Engels" - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Ukrainian UAVs flying at low altitude in the Ryazan and Saratov regions were intercepted by air defense means, the ministry said.

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More on the drone attack on the Engels airfield:
- Three Russian technical servicemen who were at the airfield were fatally wounded; “Four more servicemen who were wounded were taken to medical institutions, where they were provided with all the necessary medical assistance;

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According to my information, at least the airfield in Engels was hit by the Soviet Tu-141 Strizh UAV. That is, he freely crossed almost 650 km over the territory of the Russian Federation. Was stealth technology mastered in the USSR long before it became a fashion trend? So, to Moscow from the Ukrainian border is less than 650 km ...

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The strike on the airfield in Engels was carried out by the Soviet UAV Tu-141 "Strizh" - military commander Alexander Kots “Swift" is able to overcome 1000 km in about 1 hour. Flight altitude up to 6 km.

TG - Slavyangrad
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/23720

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 5 2022 17:42 utc | 345

The strike on the airfield in Engels was carried out by the Soviet UAV Tu-141 "Strizh"
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 5 2022 17:42 utc | 346

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Huge benefit from adapting modern avionics to existing airframes.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 5 2022 17:51 utc | 346

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 5 2022 17:06 utc | 335

Thanks for sharing, as ever. A sizeable escalation, against a backdrop of rapid SPR drawdown and Hunter laptop revival. Specifics still a mystery but your long range scenario is a workable one.

For short range I don’t think it would be difficult to design a drone that could be deployed from a moving car (side window or sunroof), Russia is still open enough that intelligent young women can be assassinated so getting a drone into the country should be possible, one might even fly it across an isolated border area, then fly to and land at a convenient collection point, to be picked up and driven the rest of the way.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 5 2022 17:53 utc | 347

I hard to believe a 50y/o drone was just taken out of mothballs and it worked perfectly? Maybe the USA and Brits gave it a serious update, ie rebuilt the entire thing to avoid using a current advanced USA drone, more plausible deniability crap? Russians just suck it up again? Another big provocation, more bait, more escalation. West, at least USA, is not having second thoughts or winding down one bit.

If the Tu-141 info is true it's the size of a jet plane, so RF has some very serious AD problems. Very strange all around, as is everything with RF, Moskva, Kerch Bridge, many strange fires all across the country.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 5 2022 17:58 utc | 348

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 5 2022 17:53 utc | 347
"Russia is still open enough that intelligent young women can be assassinated "

Not talked about at all by official Russia anymore. No wonder.
They probably are still waiting, if it works.
https://thenationview.com/world-news/84194.html

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 5 2022 18:04 utc | 349

I'd think that Strizh (the videos show big explosion) would make a big mess with burn evidence on the concrete. However according to info from this source, satellites show nothing.

https://twitter.com/wammezz/status/1599810038867976194

Perhaps Russia cleaned everything up super quick.
Interesting.

Smoke and Mirrors

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 18:05 utc | 350

Posted by: bottle | Dec 5 2022 17:04 utc | 332
Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 17:00 utc | 331
Yeah…I can imagine the security around a russian military installation like that goes out in a radius of ten miles.
The locals would know everyone and your dialect should be perfect.
Whilst I am not saying it cant be done by ukrainians or special forces…getting out of there and disappearing
Is difficult.
The russians are very winter hardened and know all the tricks…they are used to hunting in the conditions at the moment.
I mean you just cant hide in a barn for a few days and the river would leave a trail this time of year.
So IMV…its gotta be local guidance/dialect and people that blend in naturally.
Obviously I could be wrong.
We are still learning exactly what happened.
So I don’t have the facts……..only an outline.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 18:53 utc | 351

Tu-141 Strizh defeats NATO radars
six ton Tu-141 Strizh reconnaissance drone
The drone could fly 1110 km/h, up to 1000 km and the practical ceiling was 6000 meters.
https://frontierindia.com/soviet-era-tu-141-strizh-drone-flew-deep-into-nato-airspace-unnoticed-before-crashing-in-croatia/
Performance
• Maximum speed: 1,100 km/h (683 mph)
• Cruising speed: 1,000 km/h (620 mph)
• Range: 1,000 km (620 miles)
• Service ceiling: 6,000 m (19,700 ft)

Well there you go…….if its true……….that fcks my theory.

How on earth did the Russians miss it

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 19:15 utc | 352

Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 18:05 utc | 350

Totally irrelevant and has no bearing on the outcome.

The outcome btw is horrendous...for you and every human on the planet.

You need to stop playing games Tom...your life is at stake.

This concentration on irrelevant details and the time spent by people documenting every to and fro on the battlefield is a waste of energy. At least in here some barflys have taken the time to collate real information and document it. Well done and a sensible use of time.

As for Ukr dropping a few grenades on a couple of planes it isn't going to win this war. And for the empire trolls any talk of a long lasting terror campaign that will somehow collapse Russia is nonsense. The FSB is all over it and I have no doubt they get most of this cell.

This war will be won by Russia. Next year is a crucial one and the USA is the key here. How they respond to Russias victory will determine wether we go to total war or not.

Given the Empires total lack of honesty and its propensity to inflict mortal wounds on its economy the odds on us avoiding total war are not good.

100 million dead in the first 24 hours Tom. Chances are you will be one.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 19:25 utc | 353

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 19:25 utc | 353

You spent all that time writing that dribble ?????
Lighten up.

It's obvious to me that your read WITHOUT understanding what was truly in my post.

Is English you native language because if it is you don't pickup on nuances of what is written.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smoke%20and%20mirrors

Were you at that base ? Do you know what happened there ? None here know what happened there.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 19:42 utc | 354

Neofeudalfuture | Dec 5 2022 17:39 utc | 344

How many stars do you have General Neofeudalfuture ?

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 19:43 utc | 355

So according to the Colonel Cassad Telegram the attack on Russian airfields caused moderate damage to two bombers, that will be repaired, and the death of at least three soldiers. But most telling may be that the Ukrainians used very old Russian drones for this, the Strizh, that flew at very low altitude. So, no fancy NATO stuff and probably far less expensive than even one HIMARS rocket...I guess all parties will sit down and try to digest this!

Posted by: anthony | Dec 5 2022 19:52 utc | 356

Posted by: anthony | Dec 5 2022 19:52 utc | 356

Yeah.........Better call Monkeywerxe.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 19:58 utc | 357

How on earth did the Russians miss it

Posted by: harryash | Dec 5 2022 19:15 utc | 352

Probably in much the same way that NATO AD missed a similar missile a few months ago as it journeyed from Ukraine to Zagreb.

Posted by: JohninMK | Dec 5 2022 20:14 utc | 358

Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 19:42 utc | 354

"You spent all that time writing that dribble ?????
Lighten up."

5 minutes Tom is all it took, thats OK for you it would have taken a lot longer.

Its too late to lighten up Tom...2035.

Hopefully it will be quick for you Tom. I hate seeing animals suffer.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 20:39 utc | 359

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 20:39 utc | 359

"5 minutes Tom is all it took"

My God, you do have problems.

Make sure you take your favorite pill before going to sleep tonight Klaatu. May I suggest LSD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBV5hofD_U

Спокойной ночи. Всё хорошо ;-)

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/tu160-1.jpg

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 20:59 utc | 360

Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 20:59 utc | 360

Rather lame Tom.

I was hoping for a witty retort. I enjoy intelligent humor

Try harder next time Tom.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:03 utc | 361

@ you guys

Come on, guys, if we are assholes amongst each other, the terrorists win.

Posted by: Featherless | Dec 5 2022 21:06 utc | 362

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:03 utc | 361

"I hate seeing animals suffer."

When I see text like that I know I'm not dealing with an intelligent person.

So go take your pill. LSD is fit for your need.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 21:10 utc | 363

@ Klaatu - rein it in, bro.

@ Tom - have a beer on me bro.

cool your jets, amigos. Fingers of the hand(s).

🪷🪷🪷🪷🪷

Posted by: Featherless | Dec 5 2022 21:17 utc | 364

Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 21:10 utc | 363

Poor Tom

Could not think of anything so he has to paraphrase himself.

"When I see text like that I know I'm not dealing with an intelligent person"

Really Tom.

Isuppose this is an example of an intelligent persons comment

"So go take your pill. LSD is fit for your need"

Your a poor troll Tom, devoid of humor or intelligence.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:29 utc | 365

Featherless | Dec 5 2022 21:17 utc | 364

All good here Featherless person.

:)

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:31 utc | 366

@Scorpion 262

There are many possible implementations, some of which I have described.

The underlying system is envisaged to have a permanent identity linked to every user. This could be based on a ring-of-trust (See e.g. CACert for a functional system) verification of attributes, which may be arguably more secure than national ID systems (which are vulnerable to government manipulation), or it might be based on national identities, or it might be a completely independent system as long as it guarantees that each identity on the system is linked to one and only one person and that no person has more than one identity.

A good implementation in the USA might be to rely on rings-of-trust (with initial members adding, validating and being validated by friends and neighbors), and once sufficient influence is obtained, appointing the USPS, which is represented in practically every community of any size and was trusted to validate identities in order to issue passports, to produce and manage system identities.

An added benefit is that the Post Office has everyone's address and can confirm addresses and identities quickly and cheaply. It would be easy to establish a self-managed system giving anyone an on-line presence, managed via their phone or a smart card. If people lost their identity they could easily recover it via a visit to the Post Office, who could work with the user to invalidate previous access codes and help them recover control of their own identity.

With secure identity established, people should be able to establish multiple pseudo identities on this system, which would be linked to their underlying identity, and used to store and validate various attributes, allowing the system to be used by schools, universities, companies, etc. to record affiliations, qualifications, experience, etc.

The pseudo identities might include their name or pseudonym, or might be completely anonymous. Pseudo identities would be trackable only to the extent determined by the user, and would be used by other systems to validate information.


The use of pseudo identities would prevent the challenges caused by compromised identity information. Use of appropriate cryptography can prevent access to user data unless explicitly shared by that user.

As a person's names, nicknames and pen-names are attributes of their identity, they could choose to share some of this information with others, and the system would be able to validate the shared information, without disclosing the underlying identity.

For example, I might assert that I am "The Hermit" at a particular site, and others would be able to validate that I am the same Hermit as at other places and verify any qualifications I might choose to link to that identity, without being able to determine anything more about me. If however, the site-owner chose to block me, that block would apply to all accounts associated with my underlying identity, without disclosing the underlying identity or anything more about it, to the site owner or anyone else.

This means that I could create an identity, x, with which I might vote, and if there were conditions to voting, for example, age, affiliation or location, anyone could verify that the identity asserting as x meets the requirements to vote. By logging into the system, I would be able to validate that my vote had been correctly recorded, and could validate the voting totals. As this would be implemented as a one-way function, depending on the asserted identity and election, there would be no way that I could be forced to disclose my voting history, and no credible way to prove how I voted, eliminating many forms of fraud.

I addressed some of the attributes of such a system in my proposal On Voting and how aspects of such a system might be addressed in the face of government obstruction at Ways to hack an election (in a good way) both of which (and more) were shared with Republican, Democrat and Green party presidential candidates to zero effect, suggesting that none of them consider vote tampering to be an actual problem, or perhaps that all of them are aware of the fact that elections in the USA are fraudulent and participate voluntarily in the fraud.

Posted by: Hermit | Dec 5 2022 22:58 utc | 367

@Oldengineer 251

You are incorrect in your ideas, calculations and conclusions which contradict both theory and observations. Sea level rise is complex because:

The plates are moving, causing rise in some places, falls in other places.
Melting ice masses result in changes in local gravity, which can dominate sea level changes.
Wind causes major long- and short-term changes in ocean level.

Nevertheless, many studies based on different methodologies have determined that ocean volumes are increasing due to increased run-off from melting ice, and warming (with solar activity low, most recent surplus heat has gone into phase-changing floating ice to water which is why it has been stored in the world's waters). This is no longer theoretical, having been confirmed by sounding satellites. See e.g. John Englander:

Sea level rise “SLR” is happening faster and faster, largely due to the melting of glaciers on land, particularly in Greenland and in Antarctica. A few decades ago, the doubling time for SLR was more than forty years. When I wrote my post two years ago, the doubling time was less than twenty years. As we will see in a moment, the time period for doubling from 2012-18 is already down to 12 years. That acceleration and pattern represents exponential growth and is a problem that we have great difficulty to recognize.
-- "John Englander is an oceanographer, consultant and leading expert on sea level rise. His broad marine science background coupled with explorations to Greenland and Antarctica allows him to see the big picture of sea level rise and its societal impacts."

Posted by: Hermit | Dec 5 2022 23:29 utc | 368

Outraged | Dec 5 2022 6:25 utc | 211

Enough of the false accusations and the personal attacks.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 23:47 utc | 369

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 5 2022 17:33 utc | 342

Yes, I agree about what you say about the Strategic Petroleum Reserve as well .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 6 2022 1:46 utc | 370

The comments at this article are directly opposite of MOA;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/12/05/ukraine-war-assistance-weapons-production/

Two different groups of ideology and facts.

Striking.

It's how World Wars happen.

Posted by: A | Dec 6 2022 3:21 utc | 371

Sean_UA | Dec 5 2022 23:47 utc | 369

Enough of the false accusations and the personal attacks.

BS mis-representation, reverse attribution & projection, as is your norm. Pot, meet kettle, black.

Good advice, you likely think excellent, therefore you should follow your own advice.

Do ... grow ... up. Junior.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 6 2022 3:23 utc | 372

Re: Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 5 2022 17:39 utc | 344

Russian high command fixated on Bahkmut wasting troops and shells. At this point they need to focus on seizing and defending territorial gains anywhere, even irrelevant places. They need to spread apart the defenders and show they can advance. Putin should step down as well, can't blame any more subordinates

NFF - of course the Russians are fixated on Bahkmut - once Bahkmut falls this war will be as good as over.

I suggest you watch an Alexander Mercouris video to learn the truth.

Doesn't matter from when - any of his videos from March onwards should let you in on this news.

Posted by: Julian | Dec 6 2022 10:15 utc | 373

Xoxols will be Xoxols.

https://twitter.com/Ramy_Sawma/status/1599816692624130050

West's best friends do things like this.
The rest of the World calls them West's Nazi puppets.

I wonder if Otto is For or Against.

https://twitter.com/AxelSavage4/status/1599386576764948480

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 6 2022 10:42 utc | 374

Nothing surprising for the frequent clients at the MoA Bar, but nice to have it scientifically presented.

"Team of researchers at the University of Adelaide have found that as many as 80 percent of tweets about the 2022 Russia-Ukraine invasion in its early weeks were part of a covert propaganda campaign originating from automated fake ‘bot’ accounts.

An anti-Russia propaganda campaign originating from a ‘bot army’ of fake automated Twitter accounts flooded the internet at the start of the war. The research shows of the more than 5-million tweets studied, 90.2 percent of all tweets (both bot and non-bot) came from accounts that were pro-Ukraine, with fewer than 7 percent of the accounts being classed as pro-Russian.

The university researchers also found these automated tweets had been purposely used to drive up fear amongst people targeted by them, boosting a high level of statistically measurable ‘angst’ in the online discourse."

https://declassifiedaus.org/2022/11/03/strongmassive-anti-russian-bot-army-exposed-by-australian-researchers-strong/

Found the above thanks to this gent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjxV-AXhWI

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 6 2022 11:09 utc | 375

US losing credibility with allies over its manipulation of Ukraine crisis — media

As the paper emphasized, "a true international order should put the UN Charter at its core and pursue the goal of building a human community with a shared future, rather than the one based on Washington's long-arm jurisdiction"

BEIJING, December 6. /TASS/. The United States is losing the trust of its allies and the international community over its attempts to exploit the Ukraine crisis to gain competitive advantages, the China-based Global Times newspaper reported on Tuesday.

"In the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Washington urges Europe to suppress Russia constantly and, on the other hand, launches a vicious competition to worsen the European economy. As a result, US' credibility with its allies and the international community continues to collapse, and so does its hegemony that disguises itself as a ‘rules-based international order,’" the paper said.

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@ Sean_UA | Dec 6 2022 10:56 utc | 375

Enough of the false accusations and the personal attacks.

Do please read the third sentence below the Header.

Reverse attribution, projection, yet again, now asserted 'fuax Lysdexia' ? Doog freig, Larchie Norwb.

Your quoted sentence is good advice, you likely consider it Excellent, it is long overdue you took your own advice.

The block script you wrote for your promoted malware is clearly shyte ...

Do ... grow .. up ... Junior.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 6 2022 11:19 utc | 376

Posted by: harryash | Dec 6 2022 11:40 utc | 252

Bravo Indonesia. First sign of intelligent life emerging this century ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2022 13:00 utc | 377

Outraged | 376 and 372

(sigh) It is a short sentence with only 9 simple words: Someone Pretending or Feigning or Appearing as if they can't understand it the first time defies belief, IMO.

I'll repeat - "Enough of the false accusations and the personal attacks."

This series of outbursts and abuse goes back to a comment I made to the group basically 'wishing' people would speak for them selves and not for others.

Quoting in full:

I am not a 'Good little German'
Why can't people speak for themselves and leave everyone else out of their 'thought bubbles'?
Rhetorical question only. The answer (should be) obvious.
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 5:52 utc | 203

The responses ever since make no sense whatsoever to me because they are not, and cannot be true. Instead we get this:

Your quoted sentence [ "Enough of the false accusations and the personal attacks." ] is good advice, you likely consider it Excellent, it is long overdue you took your own advice.

I made no false accusation of anyone - and made no personal attack either. I spoke for myself, about myself.

The block script you wrote for your promoted malware is clearly shyte ...

That comment is untrue. It defies reality. I wrote no script. The "MoA Block User Script has been shared on this site for years - posted here https://pastebin.com/k9ZL7hVS Apr 17th, 2020. I heard about when another posted the link here a couple of months ago after I started reading the forum. There is no bad intent conspiracy here. I promoted no malware.

Commenters, not matter who they are, should not be allowed to get away with outright lying about other commenters. That's my values, yvmv.

Do please read the third sentence below the Header.

Why? That quote has nothing to do with me. I have no idea what this person is talking about. None.

Do ... grow .. up ... Junior.

Another ongoing example of pejorative ad hominem putdown. A childish personal attack. Standard online bullying.

B says: "Do not attack other commenters." imo comments like this should be deleted. Not my own.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 1:37 utc | 378

SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 1:37 utc | 378

Troll alert

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 1:55 utc | 379

Arch Bungle | Dec 6 2022

Indonesia is joining brics. Fortunately for them the Empire is incompetent and is preoccupied with its color revolution in China. Just another ridiculous subplot in this farcical saga. They will give a color revolution a shot but they are in a shambles at the moment.

Money talks bullshit walks. The Empire will crumble.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 2:06 utc | 380

@ Klaatu | 379

Thank you for your input. I believe it is always good when people reveal their true colours.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 4:07 utc | 381

Ukrainian troops in dire straits in Artyomovsk due to food shortages

Since Ukrainian troop supply is irregular, Ukrainian soldiers, especially those mobilized near Artyomosk are hungry and cold, and lack munitions, Andrey Marichko, an officer of the People’s Militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic said

LUGANSK, December 7. /TASS/. Ukrainian troops deployed to the city of Artyomovsk (known as Bakhmut in Ukraine) in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) are in a desperate situation due to food and munitions shortages, Andrey Marichko, an officer of the People’s Militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), told TASS on Tuesday.

"Despite the statements of the Ukrainian command and [Ukrainian President Vladimir] Zelensky, Ukrainian servicemen are now in a, shall we say, specific situation. I would call it desperate. Since Ukrainian troop supply is irregular, Ukrainian soldiers, especially those mobilized near Artyomosk are hungry and cold, and lack munitions," he said, adding that he has a video from that city showing Ukrainian soldiers complaining of supply problems.

...

@ Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 1:55 utc | 379

Indeed. :(

Deliberate wilful serial discourtesy & incivility, misrepresentation, projection, reverse-attribution, highly selective targeted purposeful 'constructive' omissions, assumptive of no-one bothering to follow the exchange thread, nor repetitive equivalent going on for weeks now. Constant thread spam, especially targeting tail of dead threads. 'Tis beyond tedious. Pitiful obsession. C'est la vie.

@ Sean_UA | Dec 7 2022 4:07 utc | 381

I believe it is always good when people reveal their true colors.

As you just did, again, yet incessantly ... do go on ...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 4:22 utc | 382

Outraged | Dec 7 2022 4:22 utc | 382

Is Sean_UA is not SeanAU.

This place has sure gone crazy boss 8-0

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 8:39 utc | 383

Touche

Excellent

I laughed until I stopped.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 9:00 utc | 384

@ Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 8:39 utc | 383

One & the same. Have come to prefer to address it as _UA ... think on it ... an affectation. The twolling teams been out in force from the moment B published his Blinken article today ... so obvious, so very sad. Enjoy your China history primer, hence why China will never again allow its people to be so feeble/defenseless ever again ?

&

Ukrainian military losing a battalion of soldiers daily in Artyomovsk area — LPR militia
The Ukrainian military is also sustaining disastrous casualties due to its attempts to break through into Svatovo and Kremennaya

MOSCOW, December 7. /TASS/. The Ukrainian military daily loses a battalion (~600-800) of soldiers killed and wounded in the Artyomovsk area, Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) people’s militia officer Andrey Marochko said on Wednesday.

"The [Ukrainian military’s] losses in the Artyomovsk area are quite large. According to our data, they are losing up to a battalion of personnel at least daily: these are sanitary and irretrievable losses," the LPR people’s militia officer said in a live broadcast on the Soloviev Live TV Channel.

...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 9:06 utc | 385

..Really Tom.

I suppose this is an example of an intelligent persons comment

"So go take your pill. LSD is fit for your need"

Your a poor troll Tom, devoid of humor or intelligence.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:29 utc | 365

Exactly. What idiot would suggest LSD before bed (Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 20:59 utc | 360) ? Although if you are with a close partner that's different. LSD for breakfast!

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 7 2022 9:27 utc | 386

..Really Tom.

I suppose this is an example of an intelligent persons comment

"So go take your pill. LSD is fit for your need"

Your a poor troll Tom, devoid of humor or intelligence.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:29 utc | 365

Exactly. What idiot would suggest LSD before bed (Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 20:59 utc | 360) ? Although if you are with a close partner that's different. LSD for breakfast!

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 7 2022 9:27 utc | 387

..Really Tom.

I suppose this is an example of an intelligent persons comment

"So go take your pill. LSD is fit for your need"

Your a poor troll Tom, devoid of humor or intelligence.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 5 2022 21:29 utc | 365

Exactly. What idiot would suggest LSD before bed (Tom_12 | Dec 5 2022 20:59 utc | 360) ? Although if you are with a close partner that's different. LSD for breakfast!

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 7 2022 9:27 utc | 388

@ Sean_AU | Dec 7 2022 16:29 utc | 389

Yet again, more than tedious, henceforth one word only:

Troll

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 20:46 utc | 389

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