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December 01, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-214

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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"..(Do any Linke people actually oppose the war on Russia?).." steven t johnson285

Oskar Lafontaine does, certainly. Others have spoken out too. But the unfortunate truth is that the majority of the leadership and Bundestag caucus is on this question, as it is one the issue of Palestine, on the wrong side.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 2 2022 0:32 utc | 101

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 0:05 utc | 99

But jeez, call me Irish meant as an insulting putdown and I'll go crying to my mother.

Every evening for his woman,
Weeping sleepless through the nights
And fasting through the days;
In the early hours complaining,
Every morning sighing for her,
Lamenting for his lovely lost one,
For his dear one in the grave.

This, more thousands, tens of thousands.

You are scum, sirrah, shit beneath our heels.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 2 2022 0:34 utc | 102

“…#British traveler Bear Grylls visited Kyiv, where he talked with Vladimir Zelensky. #Ukraine️
The pilgrimages never cease… but surely we are now moving to B and C grade “stars/celebrities/wankers “

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 0:36 utc | 103

I truly enjoy Mercouris' videos - his relaxed and cautious analysis. He does suffer from a lack of news flow of late so I fear he may need to cut back at some point but they are expecting more by January, I think.

The only quibble I have is I wish he would not appear so pleased when discussion Ukrainian losses.

Posted by: jared | Dec 2 2022 0:42 utc | 104

@7 Zanon. An article by David Axe? Really? Did you actually read it?

"The videos, shot by the Ukrainian brigades’ hovering drones, depict Russians in the late stages of hypothermia, so cold and sick that they barely react when the drones drop lethal improvised bombs on them."

I...what? The video shows Russian troops huddling in a shallow dugout. Because, you know, it's winter and shovels don't work all that well when the soil is frozen.

Huddled because, you known, the entire purpose of a dugout/trench/foxhole is to provide you with protection from explosives dropped from the sky.

Bejeezus. It is like he has no idea what trenches are actually for.

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - in the video that supports the claim that they are cold and/or sick.

They surely know that drone is there. They surely know it is going to drop a bomb on them.

Q: So wadda' they gonna' do?
A: They are going to huddle, and hope that the drone operator's aim is slightly off.

But it gets worse:
"Which explains the drone massacre that’s been playing out lately over contested eastern towns such as Svatove, Pavlivka and Bakhmut."

What "massacre"? That video? There isn't even evidence that it caused any damage at all, and nothing to support the claim that this is being repeated all "over contested eastern towns".

Or even this:
"Hypothermic Russian troops aren’t even trying to flee when Ukraine’s bomb-armed quadcopter drones buzz overhead. The soldiers barely flinch when a bomb explodes in their fighting position."

WTF? David Axe has zero evidence to support the claim that these troops are suffering from hypothermia. None.

And does he really expect troops that are huddled for protection in a shallow dugout to leap out and attempt to flee over open ground?

Huh?

Does he understand why they went to the trouble of digging out that ground in the first place?

What does he expect those soldiers to do?

Did he expect them to stand up and wave their arms about in a pointless gesture of annoyance at the bombs that are being dropped on them?

I...... honestly, words fail me.

David Axe is doing what David Axe always does: take the flimsiest of video evidence and then spin a ludicrous narrative of supposition piled high upon a rickety base of baseless assumption.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 2 2022 0:45 utc | 105

YetAnotherAnon @ 81

That BBC story on people eating pet food - as a cheapskate my reaction is its a load of nonsense, probably politically inspired.

I saw that on TG, move over Rover! That pet food story goes around an awful lot in hard times, been seeing it for 50ys now, it's a bunch of shit. Pet foot isn't cheap either, people love their pets more than themselves, that's factored into pet food.

I've lived on €15/w from Lidl it can be done without resorting to dog food. There's all sorts of crap human food in cans and boxes that costs less than dog food.

The question is why is the voice of the British State suddenly blazoning headlines about the proud British populace down on the floor eating dog food? Is the BBC trying to instill a riot?

Since nobody is actually eating dog food but eating chickpeas at 5 cans for a quid at Lidl, maybe the mind game is to get them to read the headline and think, "there but for the grace of God go I" and not riot?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 0:47 utc | 106

@48 Zanon "Video: Russian soldier with Hypothermia. No blood or other causes of death to be seen."

I am now thoroughly confused: is it the huddling of Russian troops in shallow trenches and making no attempt to flee that is the sure sign of hypothermia, or is it the presence of dead Russian troops out in the open, demonstrably NOT huddling, that is the sure sign of hypothermia?

Apparently it is both.

Apparently a Russian soldier is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Either way, it fits Zanon's preconceived notions.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 2 2022 0:52 utc | 107

FHTEX #42

Our narratives are basically in line, but I disagree with you on whether the Russian Georgian operation was "ramshackle". The Russian offensice suprised the West with how professional it was; modernization of the Russian military was already well-underway but was ramped up even more powerfully in the years sine. The Russian military performed extremely well in Syria where aviation assets were also employed, but the Russian effort in Ukraine has been nothing short of brilliant. In eight months Russia has managed to bring a once-modern nation to its knees and to essentially eliminate one of the largest and well-armed militaries in the world.

And has improved its currency value markedly regardless of the thieving spite of the west.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 2 2022 0:55 utc | 108

In addition to all the bad news Zanonsense has posted I heard that through the use of two trained parrots and a box of firecrackers Ukraine has managed to destroy all the supplies that the Russians were going to use in their upcoming Jenga tournament.

Posted by: Ocean Jasper | Dec 2 2022 1:04 utc | 109

catbonez | Dec 1 2022 17:22 utc | 1

"An Ukrainian does not have a chance."

Ukrainians had every chance during the last 30 years. Only to prove to the world that they're not meant to have an independent country of their own. It blows my mind time and time again how beyond stupid this country and its inhabitants are. And it can't just be the fallout from Chernobyl, it must be something in the water there, I don't know.

Watched a documentary last night on Golda Meir, the Israeli war-time prime minister. Learned that she was originally from Kiev. The worst experience of her lifetime that she recalled took place in that very same city. It was in her childhood days, when Kiev was part of Imperial Russia. It was the progroms by the locals against the local Jewish people. This got me interested, so I did some reading after watching the documentary. I learned that such progroms happened regularly. They happened in many places, but at the same time really restricted to a certain region within the Russian Empire. That region is nowadays the country of Ukraine. Ukrainians must have been pretty deranged even back then.

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Switch to the present day and Drifter | Dec 1 2022 18:01 utc | 6

"Biden, Zelensky, and Putin are de facto cooperating in a genocide of the male Ukrainian population, hated by their global masters."

Yes, but why spare the females? By and large, they are just as disagreable as the males. Case in point: I don't know if you've ever heard of the Berlin district of Schöneberg. If you haven't, it's very peculiar. It's a very gay neighborhood, also bohemian, affluant, vibrant etc. When David Bowie lived in Berlin, he lived in Schöneberg - naturally. So did Christopher Isherwood and his pals during his Berlin years - naturally (the novel "Goodbye to Berlin" is basically set in Berlin-Schöneberg). To cut a long story short: it's a place where any gay person will just blend in nicely with his/her surroundings. You can act as "gay" as you want, people will hardly notice, let alone confront you or insult you or harm you in any way. And everyone knows that, the locals as well as the tourists, and respects that. So you may understand how surprised I was to read this local news item yesterday: "Mann in Berlin-Schöneberg schwulenfeindlich angegriffen". It translates as something like "Man victim of homophobic attack". Apparently, a gay guy walks past some hotel, and three women start to insult him and hurl things at him from the window. Water bottles, shoes and stuff like that. I was really puzzled when I read this. A homophobic incident in Schöneberg is basically unheard of, and now one involving three women - aged 19, 36, and 39? How on earth? The news article doesn't give much more information. But then it dawned on me after a while what nationality these fine specimens of females must have: they will be Ukrainian. Refugees of some sort, housed by the state in a hotel for the time being. I will bet you 50 € for each of these women that they are Ukrainian. The article doesn't say (and neither does the police report online), but that's just because both the government and state media in Berlin made a decision about half a year ago to scrap any mentioning of nationalities in police and media reports of any incident or crime. After all, it's an old journalistic principle, right? The less information, the better. I don't blame those women for their attitude about gay men. I blame them for being absolutely ignorant of their surroundings, daft beyond repair, and acting their attitude out in such a way.

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james | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 13

"Why the battle for the small city of Bakhmut is so important to both Russia and Ukraine"

Thank you for your statement on the size of Bakhmut. All the other places that we're currently reading about, where Russia finally takes the offensive, are even smaller. I couldn't even think of a place in the US to compare it with. Oshkosh, Wisconsin? An hour to circumnavigate, by tank? That's the kind of "obstacle" to an attack we're talking about here, in this Russian "offensive". Now, back to the Russian frontline reports, "heavy losses for the enemy" - of 50 ragtag soldiers plus 2.5 IFVs, and a Javelin to share, bought on eBay.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 2 2022 1:22 utc | 110

My take on this whole situation is that since Russia is crushing it on the economic and diplomatic sides of the war, it is more than fine for them to mostly stalemate the military part of the war.

It is almost shocking to me that India is buying as much ... of everything that Russia can send, in complete defiance of the US. We replaced an anti-US leader in Pakistan with one more favored by the US, and from what I can tell he is moving away from his original pro-US positions and more towards cooperating with Russia since he has taken over. Turkey is no longer a reliable partner for NATO, Iran is a reliable partner for Russia, Saudi Arabia and UAE have become Russian allies, Latin American nations snubbed President Biden at his Summit for the America's, and diplomatic good news for Russia just keeps occurring. Russia' diplomatic stature has remarkably improved.

Economically - well the Ruble is doing quite well, the EU and UK economies are NOT doing so well, and the US economy is sputtering along. Less of Russia's trade is done in dollars and/or Euros.

Militarily - Russia has shorter supply lines, NATO has longer ones, and Ukraine has a lot more people to feed and heat. Getting Ukraine to take Kherson means that Ukraine has to provide needed resources for the people there.

I am thankful that President Putin has worked so hard to keep this from turning nuclear. I am amazed and in awe that he has been able to rack up so many successes with so many restrictions.

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 2 2022 1:23 utc | 111

Zanon

Virtually the whole of the ukraine population is frozen. I wonder whos winning? Certainly not the criminal degenerates in Kievs Rada lol.......bbbbrrrrrr

Posted by: Pete UK | Dec 2 2022 1:24 utc | 112

But there it is. Can't fight without ammo.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 11

That sounds about right. There are still many noisy promises, money still flows through the laundromat, but looking at the inventory of the last batch of weapons US sent it is easy to see the arms flow has slowed to a trickle. That has to be showing on the battlefield now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 2:01 utc | 113

SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 0:05 utc | 99

What weather Naes ? Plans include getting out on the Indian Ocean ? Perth ? That is a concern.

Maybe you are a banana bender. No concerns there, minor flooding subsiding. In fact if you're a surfer things look exciting.

North coast perhaps. Any rain there is a concern. Raining somewhere in Northern Rivers coast everyday for a week.

Maybe Victoria ? Understandable concern there.

The weather is interesting especially when la nina, negative IOD and positive SAM coincide with a VE 6 volcanic explosion which increased the entire H2O content of the atmosphere by 10%.

But today looks OK in general.

Enjoy Naes

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 2:02 utc | 114

Pete UK | Dec 2 2022 1:24 utc | 113

Pointless. Just take the piss.

;)

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 2:05 utc | 115

Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 2:01 utc | 114

How does this end ?

I am interested in reading your opinion.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 2:10 utc | 116

I’m not sure Russia is in any hurry at this point. So I doubt we’ll see a huge offensive in the next few weeks. What we are likely to see is a much more concentrated push. Russia’s primary issue throughout this is too few men to go with it’s overwhelming firepower. It’s hard to take and hold territory with BTGs.

There will be another round of energy strikes sometime this week. The psychological aspect of that is powerful. Witness how every time a plane takes off or looks like it’s being loaded Ukraine freaks out and gets ready for an air raid.

And then at some point a slow but overwhelming roll over the adopted oblasts. Not too fast because the slowness puts huge pressure on the western sponsors, depletes their resources and widens cracks between them. Slow allows troop rotations to counteract the difficulty of winter warfare. Slow retains the massive and growing firepower advantage. Slow keeps Zelensky able to maintain his “not one step back” strategy and the losses from it piling up. Slow has its escalation dangers but if Russia’s primary goal is to limit casualties, then slow has less danger than fast.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 2 2022 3:11 utc | 117

@ 108.

A soldier dying in a place where artillery shells & sundry other types of explosives are being flung around. Most likely died of concussive trauma which can leave no outward injuries.

But the current narrative contrary to all f**king sense. Is that Russians of all people cant handle fairly mild winter conditions.

Aye and the Turegs just f**king wilt in the desert heat...

Posted by: Urban Fox | Dec 2 2022 3:29 utc | 118

To the troll,

“Nothing exists in reality except truth, that is why truth is perhaps the most important name of God... To me God is truth and love. Devotion to truth is the sole reason for our existence. All our activities should be centered in truth. Truth should be the very breath of our life”(Ghandi)

Suspect you are AI bc it’s hard for me to imagine someone is that uncaring of his/her own kind or that completely out of touch with reality. If you are actually human I hope there is a camera on you 24/7 bc the karma is going to be epic.

Truth is the only thing that depends on nothing perfectly similar to the the concept of God.

Posted by: dirt | Dec 2 2022 3:31 utc | 119

@ Lex | Dec 2 2022 3:11 utc | 118

Well said. All true.

Yet ~100 BTGs reinforced with two full infantry companies apiece to address the ability to better take & hold ground, only amounts to ~24,000. Such a reinforced BTG has three times+ the direct & indirect fires combat firepower of an equivalent NATO BN, & now no deficiency in grunts, & is a fully independent, fully capable, all arms, combined arms maneuver unit.

That leaves ~276,000 refreshed & equipped units, not counting additional arrivals re individual republics sponsored volunteers & the Chechens monthly graduates.

So, after providing additional specialists/replacements/reinforcements re accumulated casualties/expired contracts/failed re-ups, is the equivalent of at least:

25 heavy Divisions, or

6 combined arms Armies (4 Divs + support units),

on call, in concentrated grouping/s or dispersed, excluding the pre-existing ~800,000+ regulars on Alert & garrison duties.

Whilst Sitzkrieg & 21st century attrition warfare continues apace ... no hurry, all the time in the world, as AFU sustains an absolute minimum of ~36,000+ KIA/WIA/mth (excluding MIA/POW) ...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 2 2022 3:38 utc | 120

#Layout
The more time passes, the more likely it will be that the sold Western weapons from Ukraine will not just surface, but will already be used in a terrorist attack or some kind of big mess, where many civilians will die.

Then real problems will begin for officials and politicians in the West who support the case of increasing the amount of weapons transferred to Ukraine.

It is this catalyst that the Republicans are waiting for, who want to use this case in their internal political presidential game before the 2024 elections.

The source points out that everyone in the West knows that weapons from Ukraine went to the black market. There are many confirmations, but all cases are classified as secret.

Now, this is hushed up in every possible way, as they pursue certain goals. As soon as the goals change and there is a big exchange, a lot of daddies will pop up.

Zelensky and Yermak know about it. But as the source explains. Both of them rely on their merits to their partners, who, if anything, will smear them, and make someone else a “scapegoat”.


https://t.me/legitimniy/14221

Posted by: Down South | Dec 2 2022 3:44 utc | 121

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 1 Dec 2022⚡️

♦️#Belgorod Region:

▪️ Ukrainian militants shelled populated areas in Valuysky urban district, damaging residential buildings, the House of Culture and a kindergarten.

▪️ The enemy struck civilian facilities in the village of #Murom, Shebekinsky urban district, one man was injured.

♦️#Kursk Region:

▪️ A Ukrainian drone dropped an explosive device on the village of #Tetkino, disrupting a substation. There are no casualties or injuries.

♦️#Starobelsk Direction:

No significant changes on the frontline.

▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, the AFU militants are preparing for another attack on Russian positions near #Kuzemovka.

▪️ In the #Lyman sector, the Ukrainian command is replenishing losses after several failed attack attempts and conducting a reconnaissance of Russian positions near #Ploshchanka and #Chervonopopovka.

▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire line of contact. Russian artillery struck enemy positions in #Berestovoye, #Stelmakhovka, #Druzhelyubovka and #Torskoye.

♦️#Soledar Direction:

▪️ In the #Bakhmut area, the Ukrainian command is reinforcing with additional troops and trying to stop the advance of Russian forces. The 16th Battalion of the 58th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade has been redeployed from the #Orekhov area (#Zaporozhye direction).

▪️ South of #Bakhmut (#Artemovsk), Wagner PMC assault troops and fighters of the DPR People's Militia complete the cleaning of areas adjacent to #Kurdyumovka.

♦️#Lugansk People's Republic:

▪️ Enemy militants shelled civilian infrastructure of #Svatovo town with HIMARS MLRS.

♦️#Donetsk Direction:

▪️ Russian units continue fighting against Ukrainian militants entrenched in the centre of #Maryinka.

▪️ Enemy militants have shelled populated areas of #Donetsk agglomeration with barrel and rocket artillery. Civilian facilities in #Donetsk, #Ilovaysk, #Kashtanovoye, #Zaitsevo, #Gorlovka and #Golmovsky have been hit. There are civilian casualties.

♦️#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):

▪️ The Ukrainian command forms a troop grouping and conducts combat coordination with the units arriving from the #Kherson direction.

▪️ On the #Poltavka - #Malinovka line, AFU assault groups supported by "roving" mortars conduct sorties against Russian positions.

▪️ Enemy drones are scouting the frontline, while Ukrainian informers in the Russian-controlled part of the #Zaporozhye region are monitoring the movements of the Russian army.

▪️ Russian artillery hit AFU staging areas in #Orekhov, #Novoandreyevka and #Gulyaypole.

▪️ Another 50/50 exchange of prisoners of war took place in #Zaporozhye region. Among the fighters who returned to Russia are 12 servicemen from the DPR and 8 from the LPR.

♦️#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:

▪️ Russian artillery worked on enemy positions in #Respublikanets, #Matrosovka, #Chernobaevka and also hit targets in #Kherson.


https://t.me/sitreports/1504

Posted by: Down South | Dec 2 2022 3:47 utc | 122

From Larry Johnson

Ukraine finds itself in a similar position that faced the Confederacy in 1864 during the American Civil War. The North towered over the South in terms of manpower. Even though U.S. General Ulysses Grant’s forces suffered more casualties than the Southern forces led by Robert E. Lee during 1864, the North could easily replace its losses. The South could not. By April 1865, the South exhausted its ability to provide new recruits and reinforce depleted battalions and was compelled by necessity to surrender.

A similar fate awaits Ukraine. But this is not a repeat of the last year of the U.S. Civil War, where Union troops made repeated assaults on the entrenched Confederates. Russia, in contrast to the U.S. Army under Grant, is not suffering massive casualties and has barely tapped into its military reserves. Ukraine, by contrast, is exhausting its human resources and no longer can provide essential military training within its geographic boundaries.


MORE INFORMATION ABOUT UKRAINE’S MILITARY DEA

Posted by: Down South | Dec 2 2022 3:53 utc | 123

I suspect the USS Kearsarge (LHD-5) of delivering the explosives to blow up the Nordstream pipelines. It is an amphibious dock ship that can deliver underwater vehicles and divers, e.g. a Seal Delivery Vehicle (SDV). The UK may have delivered the divers and the detonation time table.

Ops security courtesy of the on board USMC. Al the 'wet work' by specialists. German Intelligence was not in the loop, according to the Allgemeine Frankfurter Zeitung, to which I subscribe. German version of NYT, WaPo and wsj.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2022 4:25 utc | 124

Now nudging 300k views in 2 days:
“Back from the front: a British volunteer in Ukraine”.
Claims he was in the International Volunteer in Lvov when it was hit….
Claims to have been in both Delta and Charlie volunteer groups.
Talks about a convoy where truckloads of weapons disappeared… despite roadblock and checkpoints.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 4:28 utc | 125

Down South | Dec 2 2022 3:53 utc | 124
The SMO has been fought (cynically) to the “last Ukrainian”…. But NATO is not ready to capitulate.
Reports are increasing of the Poles in Ukrainian uniform…. And as economic conditions deteriorate across Europe (and the UKUS) more and more and more cheap cannon fodder will available….
Russia is going to have to remove most of the military age males across Europe…. And then possibly start on Africa and Central Asia…
It’s a “world” war, but not like the first 2.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 4:36 utc | 126

Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2022 4:25 utc | 125


I suspect the USS Kearsarge (LHD-5) of delivering the explosives to blow up the Nordstream pipelines. It is an amphibious dock ship that can deliver underwater vehicles and divers, e.g. a Seal Delivery Vehicle (SDV). The UK may have delivered the divers and the detonation time table.
Ops security courtesy of the on board USMC. Al the 'wet work' by specialists. German Intelligence was not in the loop…

Yep. And the Poles… the was so delighted he couldn’t contain himself and just had to tweet his schadenfreude…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 4:42 utc | 127

Fundamental to the religion of Islam is the concept of fitrah, something inborn, innate, a conscience, a touchstone, which however far humanity had strayed off course, is capable of bringing it back on course again.

All politics, all power even , serves its own selfish interests, whereas religion always only reminds us that God's in charge and to trust in Him. Because the fitrah is universal to all human beings, racism is impossible. Race being merely a means of geographical identity , and never a sign of superiority because all human beings are fundamentally equal in the key area of being able to identify right from wrong.

Fascism, the power of the MIC, existed under Pharaoh's industrialisation of useless pyramids and it exists today in US / China's industrialisation of silicon chips that enable empires to control society.

Zombification of the masses is a product of Facistic industrialisation. Anything which distracts the human being's attention from the business of the soul , the conscience, is ultimately Fascism, oppression of our human purpose of life

So Trump was right, bad things have been done on both sides. The collectivisation of farming instigated by prophet Joseph in ancient Egypt was socially cohesive, but the collectivisation of Communism has in the past attacked the spiritual side of humaity. The persecution of religion is
the essence of Fascism and the vacuum created by forced atheism has been easily filled by Racist Nazism.

Russia is so very much to blame for its
present exidtential threat from Nazism.
Zombification of the masses did not prevent the fall of Rome. Nor will it prevent the imminent collapse of Western Civilisation in which the new generation of youngsters are totally zombified from the age of one, when they can first pick up a mobile phone.


Trump being like the broken clock that twice a day tells the correct time.

The industrialisation of weapons makes it inevitable that the manufacturers of the
weapons will create war. The US has created this war simply by arming one side and refusing to negotiate peace. Now they are laughing their socks off as Russia destroys Ukraine for them.

Nuland can hear the coins of empty farmland kdoing kdoign kdoign spitting out of the jackpot gambling machine. The purpose of life is to worship our Creator.
Everything else is oppression / for which Fascism is another name.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 2 2022 5:21 utc | 128

How does this end ?
I am interested in reading your opinion.
Posted by: Klaus | Dec 2 2022 2:10 utc | 117

As per Putin's stated goals for the SMO.
Those stated goals cannot be achieved until Nato and US hegemonic empire ceases to exist and. So then you have to keep in mind Russia's joint security proposals otherwise military technical means to achieve Russia's security. I think the SMO is used both as a catalyst, and means of shaping the much larger hybrid war battlefield so looking at Ukraine from a purely military perspective won't work.

Bhadrakumar says Putin is a sophisticated thinker but after studying him for so long I find that a bit of an understatement. He understands how the human mind works and respects other cultures. Never corner a rat, and rather than eliminating a problem in the American way that causes many other problems to arise, the problem must be wound down to the point it is manageable but other problems do not arise.

Chechnya he separated the traditional Chechen's from the CIA jihadists. Same in Syria, Russia separated the Syrian militias from the headchoppers. US seems to have learned its lessons in those two engagements so it may be more difficult to separate ordinary Ukrainians from nationalists/nazi's.

I cannot give you a cut and dried answer Klaus Other to say the only thing about Putin's Russia that is predictable is that it will do the unpredictable. Lavrov on the hybrid war - We don't know how long this will take, Putin on the SMO - We don't know how long this will take.

That's Russia, the land of Rasputin's and Putin's.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 5:24 utc | 129

Giyane | Dec 2 2022 5:21 utc | 129

Broken clocks show the correct time twice a day. There are those with a strong belief in a religion I have a great deal of respect for. You appear to be using it as a crutch to get you through to some sort of fantasy utopia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 5:43 utc | 130

I wish Russia would do another report on foreign mercenaries killed and the breakdown of their nationalities. There was one done back around early August, and it would be enlightening to see an updated one soon.

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 2 2022 6:10 utc | 131

Peter AU1

There is an argument to be made that the Chechnya issue was just people trying to break free from the Russia ganster who was robbing them. It's a dog eat dog world and the "good guys" are not in charge anywhere.

Putin is a super villain, first he weaponized energy then hunger and now they say he has weaponized the weather.

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 6:12 utc | 132

OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 6:12 utc | 133

Bullshit. First Chechen war was when Russia was in a state of war and the Chechens gained a defacto independence. Around 95 CIA started moving in jihadi's from Afghanistan and saudi clerics to convert Chechens to Wahhabism. Second Chechen war was about destroying CIA funded and equipped islamic extremists.Take your propaganda elsewhere

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 6:25 utc | 133

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:04 utc | 7

Sadly, you are starting to disappoint me. Are you really saying that the climates of the Ukraine and Russia are significantly different , or that Ukrainians and Russians are so different in culture and DNA that there is an inherent difference in how they will cope in Winter?

You can’t be serious. The guys that have the warmest clothing ,housing ,boots and heating in general ,will be the ones who weather the Winter. Logistics! Who has the best in the foreseeable future ? Russia! Ergo They will do better.

You have nearly lost me , brother. You are def a pro -ukro mouthpiece , and not really a guy sincerely wanting answers or to teach others .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 6:28 utc | 134

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 2 2022 0:08 utc | 100

Why couldn’t the Russians bring in large numbers of troops as they did when they re - conquered the region from the Ottomans or Persians in the 1860s? How did they do that ? Was it all over exposed mountain passes that is now an untenable way in modern warfare? Anyone know?

OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 6:12 utc | 133

“95 CIA started moving in jihadi's from Afghanistan “

and there lies the reason I was never sucked in by the Yank tripe about the “Northern Alliance “ being good guys against the Taliban. They are both excrement from Satan’s Bunghole , and so were their American enablers. Same with the Yank war in Yugoslavia in the 1990s bringing in similar filth to slaughter our Christian European faithful brave allies of yesteryear..

Posted by: MiniMo | Dec 2 2022 6:10 utc | 132

Agreed but I am disappointed they release so many of the captured though. Will we ever hear of who they caught in Mariopol ,or will that be buried in the archives of both Russia and Nato as a gentlemen’s Agreement for “national interests”. I really wish an anti -Putin hacker would release all that info now like a Wikileaks dump .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 6:41 utc | 135

Question to Prigozhin:

Yesterday the media reported that the US authorities are studying the possibility of officially recognizing Wagner PMC as a terrorist structure. What is the reaction of PMC "Wagner" to this?

Answer of Prigozhin:

I'm answering you as a specialist in the field of counter-terrorism. PMC "Wagner" in any of its actions sacredly defends the interests of Russia, while respecting all norms of morality. What is the Wagner PMC known for?
- Wagner PMC stopped the genocide of the Russian population in Donbass in 2014.
- The Wagner PMC defeated ISIS in Syria in 2015-2017.
- The Wagner PMC prevented terrorists financed by France and the U.S. from staging a coup in the CAR in 2013, when tens of thousands of civilians were killed.
- The Wagner PMC has destroyed thousands of terrorists of ISIS, Al-Qaida, Katibat Macina in Sahel.

In addition, the specialists of Prigozhin's media empire provided tough resistance to U.S. interference in the elections of Russia and other countries. In doing so, we defeated the U.S. with their own tools, playing by their own rules. To set the record straight, Prigozhin's lawyers proved that there was no interference in the US election on November 8, 2016 and brilliantly won a trial on this issue in the US District of Columbia, on the field of the enemy with their own sword. The court's decision was a complete dismissal of the criminal case with a ban on any attempt to reopen it.

As for the criteria for classifying an organization as a terrorist (according to the U.S. regulation), there are three points and nine subparagraphs, detailing who is a terrorist. PMC Wagner does not fall under any of these criteria. However, the activities of the U.S. fully fits under them.

via https://t.me/denatofication/4397

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 6:54 utc | 136

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 6:54 utc | 137

The chef is very nimble out of the kitchen, he is handling the info war just as ruthlessly as the field one, a true sledgehammer.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 2 2022 7:04 utc | 137

@LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 0:47 utc | 107

Since nobody is actually eating dog food but eating chickpeas at 5 cans for a quid at Lidl, maybe the mind game is to get them to read the headline and think, "there but for the grace of God go I" and not riot?
Well, they are obsessed with treating people as Pavlovs dogs, so why not imagine they eat dog food? I think it is a kind of projection.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2022 7:05 utc | 138

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 6:41 utc | 136

"Why couldn’t the Russians bring in large numbers of troops as they did when they re - conquered the region from the Ottomans or Persians in the 1860s? How did they do that ? Was it all over exposed mountain passes that is now an untenable way in modern warfare? Anyone know?"

They probably could have, but at risk of heavy casualties and time, which would have left their small peace keeping force very vulnerable.

ATGM, MANPAD and other portable but powerful modern weapons give small forces the ability to hold narrow passes against larger forces. Both Isreal and NATO provided the Georgian military with some modern equipment and training.

Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 2 2022 7:10 utc | 139

Peter AU

I'm sure people wouldn't be able to shit without the CIA. Thats propaganda.
I guess the CIA was involved in the 1700's also. No offence but your simplistic explanation of "CIA did it" is nonsense and your hostile attempts to silence others is super liberal.
The Natzi gang takes over Ukraine and 5 minutes later the CIA has magic documents proving they control all...Fake news

Posted by: OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 7:11 utc | 140

@Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2022 4:25 utc | 125

I suspect the USS Kearsarge (LHD-5) of delivering the explosives to blow up the Nordstream pipelines. It is an amphibious dock ship that can deliver underwater vehicles and divers, e.g. a Seal Delivery Vehicle (SDV). The UK may have delivered the divers and the detonation time table.
It is not strictly about Ukraine, but the war in Ukraine isn't strictly about Ukraine either...

I agree USS Kearsarge is the key name to remember wrt. the NS1&2 sabotage. Europeans should never forget who did that.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2022 7:16 utc | 141

Posted by: Woke American | Dec 2 2022 1:23 utc | 112

Exactly! This comes back to the key point that this war is not fundamentally Ukraine, its about breaking US hegemony. Russia stepped towards that when they demanded payment in Roubles, and i read thay the new multinational trade currency is just being launched.

The really surprising point is that the US has been so intransigent that its unilateral power to employ international force has now been undermined too. The world will look very different this time next year as the fog lifts.

Oh, and there is no room left to hide under the bridges, so please, please stop feeding the trolls.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Dec 2 2022 7:21 utc | 142

Not ALL, Giyane, I live according to the Laws of The Creation. (theyfly.com for the intelligent and open minded), not under any of the many imaginary deities' 'Laws', such the one to which you converted. That following a book having 6000+ verses that were transmitted by a non-human, invisible, silent deity.. to a human(?) messenger, Jibriel, who then perfectly taught these verses to an illiterate.

The verses may be interpreted by any of their present spiritual leaders as they wish. BTW the burka is not included in the book. Maybe more a case of insecure males, eh?

Posted by: Thomas Turk | Dec 2 2022 7:25 utc | 143

@Giyane | Dec 2 2022 5:21 utc | 129

Fascism, the power of the MIC, existed under Pharaoh's industrialisation of useless pyramids and it exists today in US / China's industrialisation of silicon chips that enable empires to control society.
The west does not have the industrial capacity to win the current war, and will therefore lose it. The Pharaohs of 5000 years ago did not have the technology nor industrial capacity to build the pyramids, and they didn't (hence the idea of ancient fascism is nonsense). By their own account they inherited them from an earlier civilization referred to as Zep Tepi.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2022 7:28 utc | 144

"Biden, Zelensky, and Putin are de facto cooperating in a genocide of the male Ukrainian population, hated by their global masters."

Yes, but why spare the females?
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 2 2022 1:22 utc | 111

It's just business, war is always business. Widowed young women (and their children) from war torn failed states are helpless and desperate. They are also commodities which can be trafficked worldwide for a variety of end use purposes yielding huge profits. Oligarch Igor Kolomoisky is rumoured to be quite knowledgable about this sort of business.

Posted by: Drifter | Dec 2 2022 7:28 utc | 145

OT for this thread but germane to the overall war is what can be gleaned from Putin's meeting today with "participants of the 2nd Congress of Young Scientists and participants in the Management Personnel Pool programme for science, technology and higher education at the Sirius Science and Art Park in Sochi." The link is to the yet again incomplete English transcript that only contains Putin's opening remarks, which is what I want to highlight. The Russian transcript and video are here.

Why is this so damned important? Well, we already know there's the Hypersonic Gap which is due to the overall Scientific Intelligence Gap as represented by STEM numbers. IMO, Putin's remarks reveal a great deal about what Russia and Russians are all about. And Putin's message is heard by those much younger than today's panel. And that's one of the reasons' why Russia will fulfill Putin's Vow.

Overall, I think we have successfully created a very good education cluster for children at the former Olympic campus, but, as planned, we are taking further steps – we are creating laboratories of the highest level and class, world-class, without exaggeration, a university is already created. I hope that in the future, it will be possible to include production facilities here. Not as big as the Putilov plant of course, not here, but specific high-tech facilities can definitely be deployed. Then this will be a full-cycle cluster, from school to industry.

Fundamental research can be done here and applied research as well – everything can be done right here, and I think this is a good choice of a site.

But, of course, this is not the only reason. I think this congress is also a very popular event per se because young people always look to the future. That’s just because they are young and have their whole lives ahead of them. And young scientists are certainly planning careers in the fields they have chosen. This, in turn, means that when people like you get together, this gives the state the opportunity not only to listen to you, but also to draw the right conclusions, and this helps the state to become familiar with the priorities of promoting science, its development goals and objectives.

This is extremely important, because there is a range of goals to be met in this respect. One of them – perhaps the most important one – is the need to transition to a new level of technological development right away. I think that you have certainly talked about this among yourselves and will definitely talk about it here. The question arises: is this huge leap – you certainly know where this idea comes from – is it even possible in science? In our country, right now? I think that it is definitely possible, bearing in mind the fundamental research groundwork done by previous generations, and they did a lot.

Indeed, much was lost in the 1990s, when everything, including science, was falling apart and the education system was plagued with problems. However, our foundation in this was so strong that ruining everything was impossible.

The fact that you are meeting here, at Sirius, and discussing the future of science, shows that time and time again the very basic foundations of education and science in Russia are very strong. This leads us to believe that this leap, the ground-breaking transition to a new technological order is now possible in our country.

But nothing ever happens by itself. It is the people who make things happen. Young researchers are the people who we should pin our hopes on. This is what the state is doing, placing its hopes on you and people like you.

But in order for all that to happen – nothing can be done in the snap of a finger – all of society must set its mind to it, which is our second goal. Public authorities, agencies, public organisations and the public in general must make an effort to convince our society that sovereignty and the future of technological development, our technological, industrial, and even value-based sovereignty can rely on and can only come to pass on the basis of fundamental and applied science. Because – in fact, it has always been this way, and has now become particularly important and you know this better than anyone – this is what life is telling us to do, and the success of each individual, each country or country associations largely depend on scientific research performance, fundamental and applied research in all areas of life. And this goal is of paramount importance.

What do I mean when I say to “convince society, the state, and the public authorities?” This means it is imperative to encourage everyone to work in cooperation with you effectively, systematically and relentlessly. Without a doubt, if we proceed like this we will be successful.

We talk about research personnel training and training in general fairly often, if not always. I think, also at the initiative of your colleagues, we launched a project to educate research personnel last year. I think we have people in the audience who work in this area. It is a small number of about 85 people. This issue was discussed at a meeting with your colleagues last year, but it takes so long because the bureaucratic machine is so rusty – we launched this programme only in October. I think it is scheduled to last until May 2023. In fact, 85 people are not many, but not too few, either. It is just the first step.

But by and large, we certainly need to expand our work from local gatherings of company directors and their deputies to a systemic effort throughout the country. The Ministry of Education and Science, the Government as a whole and the regions will have to join this effort of course, including with your help – I also hope for it – to work out common approaches to training not just scientific researchers, but people who can do more than scientific research, who can also lead research teams.

Another urgent task is, of course, the integration of Russia’s new territories into the country’s scientific landscape and its educational environment. It is clear that those people who came and voted need to, as they say, take root in the Russian reality. And Russia needs most of all to gain a solid foothold there. This means more than attaining our military and political objectives there – it means working in those territories and with those people so that the people feel the benefit of the accession to Russia.

One of the heads of the new territories told me about families with children queuing for a medical check-up, a preventive examination, something that was probably never available in those territories before.

With all the difficulties, with all the tragic events, this is clearly a change for the better. But this is just one example; this must happen everywhere, so that this process becomes reliable, sustainable and successful. I have no doubts about its eventual success, but we need to ensure that it is tangible and achieved as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

This largely concludes my opening remarks. I would like to ask you to avoid turning our meeting into a Q&A session, especially because if you ask very specific questions, I will hardly be able to answer them fully, beautifully and interestingly. And I would just like to hear your opinion on what needs to be done, how you want it done, how soon, and what kind of support you need for your research activities, science and related education, of course, to make fast progress, as fast as we need it to grow and bring the necessary results to Russia.

That’s it for today. Thank you for your attention.

Go ahead, please. Surely you have proposals or questions. Please.

That was only a fraction of the entire meeting. But you see how Putin governs. He came away with an excellent list of suggestions and those he met with are more motivated to do great things.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2022 7:44 utc | 146

Hello LightYearsFromHome (comment #29 and #33)

1) The name of the country is Pridnestrovie or PMR for short. "Transnistria" is the fascist name the same way Auschwitz is for Oswiecim.
2) I live in PMR, so this isn't some tabletop game for me. I assure you, the weapons depot is very real and very large (a whole complex).
3) It is located in a very tiny village (called Cobasna, various spellings) about 6km across the border from Ukraine. No one in PMR or working for Russia is going to blow it up ffs as it would kill a lot of innocent people.
4) There are enough explosives in the depot that it would be roughly 3x Hiroshima if it all went up at once. Hard to say what's still ignitable though.
5) Everything, and I do mean everything, in that depot has been stored there (and not maintained at all) for 30-50 years in a NON-climate controlled environment. In other words, cooking in the summer and freezing in the winter. It's impossible to say what's salvageable in there, but it isn't likely to be much. Much of it might blow up if it wasn't moved carefully.
6) Roughly 800 soldiers of the Russian federation guard the depot (called OGRF). A couple of Ukrainian "probing" units tried firing on it with small arms during the summer, but nothing came of it.
7) Throughout the war, Ukraine has made multiple offers to "liberate" PMR, seize the weapons, and execute all the Russian soldiers and peacekeepers. What's stopping them is that Moldova's president and current PM are extremely pro-Ukraine and PMR is considered to be Moldovan territory. Therefore, Ukraine invading PMR would either be a) an int'l act of aggression (if Moldova gov't doesn't give permission) or b) considered an act of treason (if Moldova gov't DOES give permission) and there's be violent riots in the streets of Chisinau until somebody was hanging from a lamppost.

Hope this clears things up. There's plenty of videos from Russian media (from before the war) where they tour the bunker complex etc if you'd like to "see it" for yourself.

Posted by: Sam | Dec 2 2022 7:52 utc | 147

Russia is going to have to remove most of the military age males across Europe…. And then possibly start on Africa and Central Asia…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 4:36 utc | 127

Hard to do when they have no army either. Ukr attacks in the last days have destroyed electricity, many buildings and killed civilians. This morning's attacks were not interrupted by anything. General Baldie is simply the new stupid in charge, soon to be replaced by the next stupid in charge that will continue to fail at simple tasks since they all come from the same general staff of paper generals.

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 8:00 utc | 148

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 1 2022 21:36 utc | 66

Thanks for the ZNPP update and perspective. The security situation is still up in the air but the official absorption of ZNPP is a step forward and also a signal to all the hopeful grifters you mention that there’s no going back to the way things were.

There’s also the matter of Ukraine’s other NPPs and nuclear sites and I seem to recall someone mentioning that nuclear waste from EU countries might be held somewhere in Ukraine (Chernobyl?). No idea if that last part is true but it fits with their the abusive and exploitative approach to Ukraine.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 8:28 utc | 149

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 2 2022 6:25 utc | 134

The Kadrovsky despise the Shaitan, a word from Arabic that is now used in Russian. Bandera scum are Shaitan, even Russians use this word (Шайтан). There are videos of Russians in Mariupol rejoicing when they heard the cries of Allahu Akbar because it meant that the Chechens were there to save them.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Dec 2 2022 8:28 utc | 150

@ Sam | Dec 2 2022 7:52 utc | 148

Thirty times the Port of Beirut, with secondaries.

I'm surprised anyone has the nerve to live in Cobasna. If anyone does.

Posted by: John Kennard | Dec 2 2022 8:30 utc | 151


Very beaut. I have downloaded them all. I'll spread them around. Really beaut. Thank you. :)

This, you know, is what's missing. It is what we need. To hear from the people. I mean thinking sensible people. Not lunatics just banging the drum of their favourite team.

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 2 2022 8:33 utc | 152


I was referring to this post:
Posted by: Anne B | Dec 1 2022 23:38 utc | 92

Posted by: abrogard | Dec 2 2022 8:34 utc | 153

@Sam | Dec 2 2022 7:52 utc | 148

High quality comment!

Posted by: too scents | Dec 2 2022 8:36 utc | 154

@ rk | Dec 2 2022 8:00 utc | 149

Wherever you go,
What ever you do,
He'll be right there
Waiting for you! 😎

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 2 2022 8:40 utc | 155

I'm surprised anyone has the nerve to live in Cobasna. If anyone does.
Posted by: John Kennard | Dec 2 2022 8:30 utc | 153

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There are lots of wartime relics.

The village of Milholz in Switerland is to be evacuated for ~10 years to clean up some kilotons.

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/levacuation-du-village-de-mitholz-entre-dans-le-concret-437745450809

Posted by: too scents | Dec 2 2022 8:44 utc | 156

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 21:41 utc | 69

I never tire of observing that Empire’s network of biowar snuff laboratories are a DoD project, that German participation in the Ukrainian chapter of that horror show would likely have required ministerial approval, and the vdL was German defense minister at just the right time for her very own signature to be on the enabling documentation.

Behind the anodyne posturing, one wonders just how close to outright snuff porn they are willing to sail, in exchange for their own 10%

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 8:51 utc | 157

cbc headline today

Why the battle for the small city of Bakhmut is so important to both Russia and Ukraine

One of the longest-running battles in Russia's war on Ukraine is in the Donbas city of Bakhmut, where Russian forces have suffered immense losses for months trying to break Ukrainian positions.

i refuse to link the page here.. if canucks believe this shit, they deserve everything they get and that includes me!!

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 13

Yeah Chris Brown (when he furrowa his brow you can tell he's part Klingon) tells us the Russkies are using "human wave" attacks. lol...

CBC has jumped the shark. I watch it for the lulz.

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Dec 2 2022 9:18 utc | 158

Posted by: aquadraht | Dec 1 2022 23:34 utc | 91

HIMARS launch vehicles to more than likely fire GLSDB, which is put together from rocket motors and warheads the US already has a large inventory of:

https://www.saab.com/products/ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-glsdb

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 9:23 utc | 159

The Spanish police do not see any signs that the special services of the Russian Federation or any organized group are behind the sending of parcels with explosives

https://t.me/azmilitary11/29891

Strange not to read accusations of "It’s the Russians!"

Posted by: yk | Dec 2 2022 9:41 utc | 160

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 9:23 utc | 161

Helluva time to be doing R&D.

Do the Ukies know they're a beta site ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 2 2022 9:46 utc | 161

Did Macron suddenly grow a pair? Brandon remembers there is a thing called diplomacy. Maybe it's a coincidence, or was it after hearing Europe is ready to jump ship on Ukraine?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63832151

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 2 2022 9:56 utc | 162

@ Et Tu | Dec 2 2022 9:56 utc | 164

I think that from RF side nobody is going to talk to him.
There is no need, and RF knows well that any ceasefire or a stall will strengthen Ukrainians in the meantime.
Unconditional surrender is what is needed.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 10:02 utc | 163

@ Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 10:02 utc | 165

Yes, you may be right. I just look at one side's willingness to talk as an indicator of how confident they are of success mostly, although in Zelensky's case, one must also factor in the amount of agency they actually have in the matter...

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 2 2022 10:08 utc | 164

OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 6:12 utc | 133

Strange point of view. Russia wanted to sell its oil and gas. The Empire in particular the European vassal states put sanctions in place. Countries can buy Russian energy at any time, Russia has weaponised nothing.

The Empire tried to weaponize Russias energy in probably the most inept blunder in the history of modern diplomacy. It will rate a mention in future history books for exactly that.

When Germany looked like caving in, the Empire sabotaged their industry by blowing up the NS pipelines. Now cheap gas for the EU is a pipe dream. Nothing to do with Russia.

The mantra of Putins price hike is now a joke meme. That propaganda won't here anyway. Save it for Facebook.

Get your affairs in order because the war drums beat louder every day.

100 million dead in the first 24 hours. 2035 or 2041.

If you can change then so can others

The times will change. The easy way or the hard way... the choice is yours.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 10:13 utc | 165

I question the competence of those who demand charging up to a proximity fused bomb. Noises dismissed. ...

Waiting for you,
Waiting for you,
Right there waiting for you.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 2 2022 10:14 utc | 166

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 2 2022 5:21 utc | 129

Russia is so very much to blame for its present exidtential threat from Nazism.

How'd you figure that out? Just curious.

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 2 2022 10:15 utc | 167

Laurence | Dec 2 2022 8:40 utc | 157

Hard time finding your daily dose?

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 10:19 utc | 168

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 10:13 utc | 167

what is the significance of the years you chose? 2035, 2041

Posted by: K | Dec 2 2022 10:19 utc | 169

I wish name of poster to appear at top of post, so we could easily scroll over zanonries and other troll heaps.
Stepping into it is boring and smelly...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 2 2022 10:28 utc | 170

We Came We Saw He Died - Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU

this clip alone should remove any and all doubts about the War Party,

Posted by: Exile | Dec 2 2022 10:33 utc | 171

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 2 2022 5:21 utc | 129
Russia is so very much to blame for its present exidtential threat from Nazism.
How'd you figure that out? Just curious.
Posted by: Anne B | Dec 2 2022 10:15 utc | 169

I've been saying that Russia is the biggest or at least in top 3 sponsors of nazi terrorism too, though my reason might be different than Giyane's: they've been paralyzed and not reacting to increasing nazi level in Ukr since 90s-20s, but also after 2014 coup when it started to be very public, with thousands marching on the streets and so on, they couldn't care less. Even today nazi leaders are perfectly safe, the entire nazi government is safe and even nazi lovers from the entire Kiev/Lvov areas had no contact with war in almost a year. Only now, a few hours without electricity, like that will cause any problems.
What happened to captured azov nazis? There was no trial, some were released and I don't doubt more will be released. Everything already forgotten. Russian gas still flows thru Ukr, billions in transit fees go to Zely and his nazis. Railways and highways are never bombed. Why is that? Abramovich or other rich guy didn't allow it, for business reasons?

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 10:42 utc | 172

K | Dec 2 2022 10:19 utc | 171

Dates for the start of the War. 2035 is the earliest date. 2041 the latest.

Nothing is certain but probabilities to avoid this are rapidly dwindling.

I find the lack of dialogue between differing points of view here perplexing. It bodes ill for the future.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 10:52 utc | 173

@ Et Tu | Dec 2 2022 10:08 utc | 166

When Biden asks RF to withdraw from Ukraine, and then they will talk, indicates that they do not want to talk.
It is just to please Macron + EU, as if they are naive – US wants to talk, but, you see, RF doesn't want to surrender.

Unconditional surrender of Ukraine and winding down NATO are prerequisites for RF to turn back to diplomacy with the West.
Why bother?

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 10:52 utc | 174

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 2 2022 1:22 utc | 111

“Watched a documentary last night on Golda Meir,”

Is she male or female….always wondered.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 10:53 utc | 175

harryash | Dec 2 2022 10:53 utc | 177

Two children.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 10:58 utc | 176

Sam @ 148
too scents @ 156

High quality comment!

+1. I can't believe that stuff is rotting there, maybe becoming unstable. 800 men is a battalion which is serious, and if sieged they won't run out of ammunition :-)

anon2020 @ 159

Behind the anodyne posturing, one wonders just how close to outright snuff porn they are willing to sail, in exchange for their own 10%

Infinite. These people didn't wander off the road of righteousness, they are not immoral capable of redemption, but amoral, one dimensional human beings and cold as ice. They rationalize grand plans, exalt, and piss down on people from their high perch, and their crimes against humanity are water off a ducks back.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 11:05 utc | 177

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2022 7:44 utc | 147

What a speech! Thanks for posting it and please keep the information flowing.

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 2 2022 11:10 utc | 178

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20221202-live-russia-rejects-biden-s-terms-for-ukraine-talks-says-offensive-will-continue

"Live: Russia rejects Biden's terms for Ukraine talks, says offensive will continue"

The US wants Russia to pause, because the Biden admin knows that Ukraine cant withstand the coming onslaught. They want to buy time to organize new supplies at the very least. Furthermore, the current situation is the best Ukraine can hope for and the US wants to use it to negotiate from a position of relative strength. On the other hand, Russia knows that its only going downhill from here for the US and Ukraine. With Minsk II in mind and that it was only used to upgrade Ukraine's military, Russia wont buy into any negotiations, until it can impose the terms on Ukraine and the US.

Key takeaway for me: The US is blinking for everybody to see.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 11:23 utc | 179

Google Swimmer Delivery Vehicle.

https://dpidigital.h5mag.com/dpi_digital_issue_1/combat_divers_and_swimmer_delivery_vehicles_new

Most likely this sub mounted divers compartment was used to wreck NS1 and 2. Several NATO navies use these.

Oldengineer

Posted by: Oldengineer | Dec 2 2022 11:33 utc | 180

... Do the Ukies know they're a beta site ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 2 2022 9:46 utc | 163

That and a way to turn a lot of increasingly junky hardware into lend-lease debt!

Odd thing about GLSDB is that it’s old, so has probably been on the Empire escalation menu from the outset. Someone here said that Zelensky was clamouring for HIMARS from the outset, GLSDB is just a type of missile designed to be fired from that sort of launcher.

Jul 6, 2015: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 12:05 utc | 181

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1598645714204217347

"German Chancellor Scholz urged Putin to resolve the conflict diplomatically, that includes withdrawing Russian troops"-representative of the German government

So we have Biden and Scholz working Putin to agree to negotiations. Somebody is very afraid what is about to happen, that the house of cards that Western MSM has built is about to collapse.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:07 utc | 182


‘The European Commission has adopted a proposal to make violation of EU sanctions a criminal offense throughout the EU.
Circumvention of EU sanctions will be punishable by imprisonment for at least 5 years. For companies, the fine can be 5% of global turnover.’
https://t.me/loordofwar/64159

They won’t ever find a global company that amount but expect many civilians becoming prisoned for having a can of caviar and a bottle of vodka in the cupboard.

Meanwhile, as told early on regarding the racism and avarice towards Russia, it is just a continuation of the ancient Holly war between Rome and everyone else. Facilitated by who else a very naughty big nosed boy:

‘Zelensky has confirmed, Orthodox Christianity will be outlawed in Ukraine. Practitioners to face "personal, economic, and restrictive sanctions’

https://twitter.com/historyoarmani2/status/1598635816015872000?s=20&t=2ps0N3V_mXlTSmLaJ_OBWA

This all while we dumbed downtoned sheeple walk in to a Xmas blizzard and freeze and are told that some Welsh people are already eating pet food!

There are 18 Russian Nuclear Power stations IN Europe!

Do we get sanctioned and fined and sent down for 5 years for turning on the lights on our Xmas decorations with electricity from these?

Do you suppose the dumbest evil ‘Borg queen Ursula 100k’ ,will not be using that electricity to plug herself into ?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 2 2022 12:15 utc | 183

Posted by: Lex | Dec 2 2022 3:11 utc | 118

"I’m not sure Russia is in any hurry at this point. So I doubt we’ll see a huge offensive in the next few weeks."

Very good insights, thank you. I tend to hope Russia will give a knock out punch... fits the story I've formed inside my head which pushes for a happy ending.

I think you are right-- slow is a key component of Russia's strategy.

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 2 2022 12:16 utc | 184

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 2 2022 12:12 utc | 186

It's the demands for Russian surrender renewed with new urgancy that is so striking. I'm sure AH is right that the US is worried about what is coming.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 2 2022 12:18 utc | 185

The position hasnt changed, sure. But you have to take into account that Western media is always used by Western govts to amplify events. You always have to ask: Why does Biden right now want to get the msg out that he wants to talk to Russia and Russia rejects it/ Biden's terms? Why now? Does it have something to do with events on the battlefield, knowledge about shortage of ammo & manpower and how far Russian preprations for the coming offensive has advanced? My guess is the US is amplyfing the negotiation msg right now, because Ukraine's position on the battlefield is desperate.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:20 utc | 186

GregGalloway@172...read backwards, from last post, otherwise one is always leary of the little piles of shit left by a trollmiester. Amazing the level of delusion, it has improved slightly though, I think they have power issues in the Ukraine. Troll factory on early furlough. You'd think they'd be more appreciative, if not for Russia they'd still be working for free from their mom's basement.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 2 2022 12:21 utc | 187

@ Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:20 utc | 190

Why does Biden right now want to get the msg out that he wants to talk to Russia and Russia rejects it/ Biden's terms? Why now?

Because Ukraine is winning, just has about 13.000 dead and wounded, and Russia lost, should concede, and that is the current fairytale narrative.

As noted beforehand, a 'will to talk' from US comes from pacifying EU's concerns that somehow they feel that US is profiting from this war, and Europeans need jobs, too. But Russia doesn't want to withdraw, is not into diplomacy and see, bad, bad Russians, so cruel...

It is obviously the time for RF to double down whatever they do.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 12:34 utc | 188

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 12:34 utc | 192

The US doesnt reiterate the narrative that Ukraine is winning, but amplyfies the msg that Putin does not accept Biden's terms for negotiations.

The msg is carefully crafted for Western audience: It implies a position of strength (you dont agree to my terms = I can impose terms on you), while it highlights that the US wants to negotiate right now. That is the key.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:45 utc | 189

@ Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:45 utc | 193

you dont agree to my terms = I can impose terms on you

Yes, I agree, and well spotted. I do not know where this Biden's obfuscation comes from and why now.
Is it a face-saving desperate move or again a trial to find a reason to double down – I do not know.

I doubt that Biden or anyone around has created any conditions to superimpose any terms to Russia, however that indicates that NATO/US has multiple top masters running each its own agenda and having conflicting interests in general. West is far from being united, in reality. Failing Western coalition is a dangerous beast.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 12:59 utc | 190

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 2 2022 12:15 utc | 187

“ Facilitated by who else a very naughty big nosed boy”

Lol…correction….(((Big brown nosed boy)))…kolomoiskey/migelovitch/nuttyahoo/chabad luva-bitchers.

I am an atheist…but I might sign on to be orthodox…
just to piss in Bergoglios pot.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 13:00 utc | 191

The battle for Bakhmut is frustrating but there may be a certain design to it. Hold back the encirclement for as long as Ukr. reinforcements are sent in. See if the psychopaths are insane enough to commit everything they have. The rumor is they have 30,000 there. Could clear the way for collapse in all of Donbass, as no reserves will remain.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 2 2022 13:01 utc | 192

Western diplomats ... nah, let's call them learders, as diplomats they are not ... suffer from dysfunctional reality perception.

The amount of fake-facts produced by their think tanks, the British and US secret services, with more fantasy coming from the various Ukrainian ministries et al, is seemingly meddling with their senses. And have done since day one. Even uttering the words about "Ukraine is winning" shows the level of delusion they suffer. Or, what is equally worse, the potential of hiding the truth from the public, when even Ursusla the Mad knows the facts and still keeps her road to Hell course for the EU.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Dec 2 2022 13:06 utc | 193

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:20 utc | 32

It literally cannot be worse than the original, most likely would be a welcome change

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 2 2022 13:07 utc | 194

My guess is the US is amplyfing the negotiation msg right now, because Ukraine's position on the battlefield is desperate.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 12:20 utc | 190

That's the way to bet, all right.

When you are winning, crow about it, when losing, talk peace and make promises.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 13:08 utc | 195

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221201-biden-ready-to-speak-to-putin-if-he-is-looking-for-way-to-end-the-war?ref=tw

Biden ready to speak to Putin 'if he is looking for way to end the war'

Biden was speaking during a state visit by French President Emmanuel Macron, who has said he will speak again to Putin after his trip to Washington and has warned against cutting off the Russian leader.

At a joint news conference with Macron, Biden said he had no immediate plans to contact Putin but left open the possibility.

"I'm prepared to speak with Mr. Putin if in fact there is an interest in him deciding he's looking for a way to end the war. He hasn't done that yet," Biden said.

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With this new news item, it cannot be clearer what is happening, that the US sues for peace, because all sides know its only going downhill from here for Ukraine and the US.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 13:12 utc | 196

I am english and visually overlook a naval port…..
I use vesselfinder…its free and very good…
Atm Friday midday…there are about seven warships parked not to mention about four being repaired
The warships are a mixture of swedish/dutch/german and english.
From my experience of watching I can tell that these have arrived for the weekend.
And will leave possibly high-tide monday.
Obviously not much is really active circa NATO/Russia.
In the past I saw the port empty-out totally for about ten days.
I was then a little bit nervous about the stupid UK knts in-charge having issued suicide orders

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 13:18 utc | 197

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20221202-live-russia-rejects-biden-s-terms-for-ukraine-talks-says-offensive-will-continue

Live: Scholz urges Putin to withdraw troops for 'diplomatic' end to war

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Friday urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to seek a diplomatic solution to end the war in Ukraine, including troop withdrawals, Berlin said following a telephone call between the two leaders. Earlier on Friday Russia rejected US President Joe Biden's terms for talks between Russia and the US. Follow our blog for all the latest developments. All times are Paris time (GMT+1).

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And here the Scholz news item. Will Western MSM now amplify this over and over again, when every Western govt - one after another - puts out the same statement? Its so obvious to me, what is happening.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 13:21 utc | 198

Arne Hartmann @ 182

Key takeaway for me: The US is blinking for everybody to see.

Add to that they RF just flat out walked away from the Start Treaty renewal negotiations, something they've never even come close to doing till now.

We will see what reasoning or wickedness perfidious Albion replies with. It's not just about Ukraine faltering, it seems more and more it's about the blowback and hybrid war and exactly how much dog food the west has left in stock.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 13:26 utc | 199

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Dec 2 2022 0:52 utc | 108
Either way, it fits Zanon's preconceived notions.

Zanon is like a child that is not as smart as other students in the class. The more he talks, the more he shows his lack of intelligence. It's cute.

His tantrums are simply an indication that Russia is winning.

Ukraine's electric grid is slowly being destroyed, the EU is economically becoming deindustrialized and headed for a financial crisis, the Ruble is stronger than before the war, the Russian economy has been growing since September, while the EU and US are economically contracting, the non-Western world is slowly de-dollarizing and using regional currencies.

This will go on for another couple of years: the Ukraine and EU will be ground down to dust. Nobody will think of the EU as providing economic prosperity, nobody will see NATO as "keeping the peace in Europe".

The only way out for the EU is to give in to Russia's demands. The alternative is the slow but sure destruction of Europe. It has a choice between accommodating Russia, or returning to the Middle Ages, with Vikings roaming around, preying on malnourished peasants.

Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Dec 2 2022 13:32 utc | 200

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