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December 01, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-214

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on December 1, 2022 at 17:12 UTC | Permalink

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ref my earlier post (201)

when russia decides to invade ukraine properly with General Winter...

I would imagine a signal to that effect would be NATO/USA naval abilities
to be in position.

It will be a red flag.

I very much doubt they will use it...as Russian naval forces will be
on task to disable any stupidity.

just my opinion.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 13:34 utc | 201

It's constant noise from western politicians.
And that's about it.
Practicality all the weapons stocks are depleted or depleting rapidly.
God knows exactly how many deaths as a consequence.
What next?
Pathetic creatures.
The banquet of consequence will be enormous.
Starting with a deindustrialised Europe beyond the loony greens dreams.

Posted by: jpc | Dec 2 2022 13:35 utc | 202

Arne Hartmann @ 203

And here the Scholz news item.

At this point that's Scholz's only value, as a Dictaphone, he's lost all his cred w/ both sides, been reduced to NATO assistant press secretary role. When his name comes up I bet Putin et al, NATO, EU, Biden, and the Pentagon all let out a curt laugh.

If you look up "fifth wheel" in an unabridged dictionary you get a little drawn portrait of Olaf next to the definition.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 13:40 utc | 203

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 1 2022 18:07 utc | 9

Thanks for the reference. Worth bookmarking and reading later - 3 volumes and about 1500 pages of detailed research :-)

https://www.mpil.de/en/pub/publications/archive/independent_international_fact.cfm

Posted by: TPaine | Dec 2 2022 13:41 utc | 204

What do we think of Arestovich not getting any airtime anymore? Is he in the dog - kennel? Put there by the US and Elensky? Put there only by one , and not the other? Who ? And why?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 13:50 utc | 205

🇷🇺🇺🇦 The commander of the neo-Nazi Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzik, whose unit is trying to hold Bakhmut, told Western media that the fields and forests around are littered with the corpses of Ukrainian soldiers, and they have to defend themselves in extreme cold and knee-deep in water.

"They [the Russians] sensed a weakness in our defenses because there are units that are less motivated than ours. And yesterday they slightly weakened our defenses in the area immediately around Bakhmut. Some units could not withstand this artillery onslaught and retreated."

Asked how serious the loss of life is, he said: "They are colossal. We don't even count the bodies."


https://t.me/intelslava/42171

Posted by: Down South | Dec 2 2022 13:56 utc | 206

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Posted by: Greg Galloway | Dec 2 2022 13:57 utc | 207

On the white nationalist Steve Sailer blog, someone left this comment about unusual activity at Arlington.

"I’ve got a relative buried at Arlington and when visiting the grave a few weeks ago I noticed some burials going on that caught my attention. Judging from the full military honors burial and assessing the family present I’m guessing the USN has/had some sheep-dipped special operators in Ukraine."

Posted by: masseffect | Dec 2 2022 13:59 utc | 208

has anybody got any serious info on satellites...
surely all these drones/missiles etc only find their targets from
gps signals etc...
or am I wrong.
and recently russia has placed more in orbit.

are there killer satellites to take out NATO/USA satellites

anyone got any idea.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 1 2022 20:43 utc | 56

Here are several articles from supressa.ru that discuss RF satellite capabilities and protocols regarding satellite use for war purposes:

(1)Russian top-secret inspector satellites seriously scare the Pentagon https://svpressa-ru.translate.goog/war21/article/351469/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

(2) War in space: "Exchange of satellites" with the United States is unprofitable for Russia https://svpressa-ru.translate.goog/war21/article/353923/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Supressa is a very good source for a lot of things pertaining to the SMO. Many good articles. The problem is they are written in Russian. So you need to convert them to English using a translator. I use the Google Translator. As you can see in the above addresses, the translator is already embedded in the addresses. Theoretically, you should be able to copy the links to an address bar, and the result should be the Supressa article in English.

However, in my browser Google will not translate the article unless I use a VPN located outside the US (preferably Asia). If I try to download the article without using the VPN, a message displays from Google saying "we could not translate that article."

So to download the article, open a new page. Activate your VPN with an Asia address. Then copy the above address to the address bar and hit Enter. The article should download.

Regarding Supressa, on every page there is a black bar across the top of the page. One of the entries in this bar is "Armies and Wars." Open that title up in a new page and you'll find all kinds of articles every day about the war, including a day by day blow by blow account of what happened that day by time stamp. Very good. And so long as you open a link from your original page that was translated and you have maintained your Asian VPN, all new opened links will appear translated, after initially showing in Russian.

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Dec 2 2022 14:07 utc | 209

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Dec 2 2022 14:07 utc | 214

Hey Kellen ………thanks….I was just about to post when I read your incoming post…
I will get right on it….

Meanwhile….

IMO….It now appears that the Azov battalions are now being dispersed throughout europe
In each of the various “sovereign national states”….italy, spain,poland,lithuania,kalingrad etc
Possibly under the guidance of the local Masonic lodges and synagogues…P2/3 etc
In other words….a barometer shift has occurred to relocate the worst filth of ukraine into
The mini-states of europe…..possibly indicating acceptance that Ukraine is lost.
The polarisation of turkey towards russia (big-time) and the shift in the middle-east/africa into
Insolent positions aka USA indicates a larger confrontation…tho (imo)…non-nuclear.
Curious…eh.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 14:16 utc | 210

... because all sides know its only going downhill from here for Ukraine and the US.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 13:12 utc | 200

Also, Joe Brawndo is tapping the strategic petroleum reserve to sedate domestic opinion, if it runs dry before he can somehow drive the real oil price down all hell will break loose.

As suggested above, it could just be another BS play to placate NATO public opinion, refresh the Russia did it narrative, and keep the war going. Predicating negotiations on RF withdrawal almost guarantees a failure of diplomacy.

And then there’s this:

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/23203

Germany has backed the return of Crimea militarily - Deutsche Welle

"Crimea is certainly part of Ukraine, and Ukraine has every right to reclaim and return its territory." "Therefore, the decision must be made by Ukraine," said Christoph Heusgen, head of the Munich Security Conference.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 2 2022 14:21 utc | 211

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 2 2022 10:13 utc | 167

Why those dates and no others? Reasoning?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 2 2022 3:38 utc | 121

3x plus firepower compared to a Nato equiv grouping? Forgive my noobness but how did you arrive at that ? If you answered previously , please just direct me to it.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Dec 2 2022 4:25 utc | 125

I tend to agree with you , but this means that the German intelligence community is incompetent and /or someone in the German loop stopped the nation doing anything about it. What would be surreal would be if there was a James Bond movie -style battle underwater between non-German Nato demolition teams , and Germans trying to stop it - all with sling - guns !! Do you reckon there are German bodies down there weighted with concrete or chains? Any mysterious funerals or worse- disappearances- of German commandos recently? No seriously , what is your take on why potentially Germany was not involved in the demolition and yet it still happened?


Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 14:31 utc | 212

Not directly related to Ukraine, but to what the US is doing to the European economy as a consequence of the sanctions. Its a forced take over by the US as the most powerful crime syndicate eating up the underlings.

The same is happening to Taiwan.

Will Taiwan's cutting-edge chipmaking technology be “Americanized”?

https://www.gingerriver.com/p/will-taiwans-cutting-edge-chipmaking

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Dec 2 2022 14:39 utc | 213

What do we think of Arestovich not getting any airtime anymore?
Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 13:50 utc | 210

He has not disappeared, he's working. Right now he's on the team to fix the 100k dead "officers" idea from Ursula. Ukr was reporting today 10k dead soldiers as official number. And, of course, hundreds of thousands of dead Russian soldiers, thousands of tanks and hundreds of airplanes destroyed.

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 14:41 utc | 214

Photos from Donetsk appeared on channels now. Was hit badly today. Dead people too, didn't say how many. Maybe Baldie will order a retreat from Donetsk next, he's an expert in surrender

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 14:55 utc | 215

If you threatened and attacked my mother, nothing would stop me from getting to you.
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 22:39 utc | 78

For anybody failing to grasp this I'd recommend "За тебя, родина мат" by Lyube (Любэ), specially poignant the Crimea live.

Of course this is only an intentional public display by a particular fraction of russian culture, but it does exist, and so it represents an actual existing part of russian culture and ideology.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 2 2022 14:57 utc | 216

"It now appears that the Azov battalions are now being dispersed throughout europe"

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 14:16 utc | 216

I would not be surprised if some/many made their way to Canada, given our porous border (ie. Roxham Rd)... Great - more malcontents to deal with...

Posted by: ianMoone | Dec 2 2022 14:59 utc | 217

harryash:

Here are a couple more articles on RF weapons technical capabilities that I found interesting.

"Sarmat" is a ruthless product of import substitution in Russian
https://svpressa-ru.translate.goog/war21/article/353379/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

RS-24 Yars. http://www.military-today.com/missiles/yars.htm

Poseidon. http://www.military-today.com/navy/poseidon.htm

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Dec 2 2022 15:17 utc | 218

I suggest you read the [EU] report [on Georgia] and draw your own conclusions

No need. If the US government says it was all Russia's fault, then you automatically know the opposite is true.

Posted by: c matt | Dec 2 2022 15:19 utc | 219

Posted by: rk | Dec 2 2022 14:41 utc | 220

Yes indeed. Hahah. As form wins over substance. Like in the Wizard of Oz , if we wish for it hard enough we really will have magically small numbers of dead Ukrainians.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 14:16 utc | 216

One outcome will be a “Strategy of Tension “ , Gladio -style , to keep the Conservative US - centric leaders in line. Any time a EU leader wants something not liked by the US , those Azov “refugees “ will do something bad. An example before the Ukro war; Italy populists wanted to get rid of the mass “migration” of MENA and Africans so what happened, the Genoa bridge fell. The Populist gov mysteriously goes back on its policy. Any Progressive candidates -wanting detente with Russia -look like getting elected and get too uppity, well we bomb an railway station and blame it on die - hard Commies or Russia -lovers, so we revert back to Atlanticist US friendly rule. Those Atlanticists are slippery ,they are …

Haasaan from before 200 , and on the Georgian underground tunnel

Thank you , and it makes sense. Manpads would neutralise densely- packed troops and vehicles coming over a mountain road / pass / plain or so.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 15:21 utc | 220

Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Dec 2 2022 15:17 utc | 225

Most kind sir...and thankyou once again

info like this is precious.

whilst on the ground info is lifesaving...
predictions of how/where the knowledge arrives from...in the long term
is more preventative.

And....the question has to be asked....
which element has the power to blackout totally the enemies satellite info.

If that question is already answered...then this whole war is a farce

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 15:41 utc | 221

anon2020 @ 159, LightYearsFromHome | Dec 2 2022 11:05 utc | 179

Are they not the modern equivalent of Schreibtischtaeter?

Posted by: cirsium | Dec 2 2022 15:50 utc | 222

And....the question has to be asked....
which element has the power to blackout totally the enemies satellite info.

If that question is already answered...then this whole war is a farce

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 15:41 utc | 227

It has been clear, almost from the beginning, that this war is very theatrical. As are most US' wars. I think it was van Creveld called it "theatrical micro-militarism". Closer to a Hollywood production, a script, aimed at "deterrence", not a real war plan aimed at destruction.

You will note that the stumbling block for our (western) Ukraine plan is lack of the real material resources to carry it out. Hence the patch, patch, patch approach to the whole thing. You could say the same of the Russians, whose goals have been political from the beginning, except they had the material resources for whatever handy before they started.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 15:56 utc | 223

@Greg Galloway | Dec 2 2022 10:28 utc | 172

I wish name of poster to appear at top of post, so we could easily scroll over zanonries and other troll heaps.
Stepping into it is boring and smelly...
Turn the screen upside down and you are good to go.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2022 16:03 utc | 224

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 15:21 utc | 226
….” “Strategy of Tension “ , Gladio –style”…

A bit off-topic…but imv relevant…

Italy is really a divided country…north/south…and papal states.
The south …Naples and below are ruled by Ndragheta…based in siciliy….
Those african migrants would be sank at sea without their permission…and as we all know
The whole operation is run via ngo,s financed from Palermo. This basically gives them a seat at the table in politics
P2/now P3 is IMO funded out of Monaco ..ukraine oligharch haven.
If u look at the area…south italy/cyprus/istanbul/tel aviv…it all smells of (((our friends)))
So your comment….” “Strategy of Tension “ , Gladio –style”…is the resurrection of the old school under
Gelli/Calvi/Marcinkus…probably today with new “Dons”
Remember…the Pope is not the USA best friend and is run by Jesuits/opus dei….so I fail to see that the USA is running the show.
In which case we go back to the Rothschilds based in Zug..(swiss)
And NATO is their private army.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 16:08 utc | 225

@Kellen Cramer | Dec 2 2022 14:07 utc | 214

Your translated links work straight out of the box in the Brave browser here, no VPN required. Thanks.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 2 2022 16:23 utc | 226

@ harryash | Dec 2 2022 15:41 utc | 227

which element has the power to blackout totally the enemies satellite info

RF had made a very early possible 'mistake' in February when it didn't shot down datalinks to probably all MilSats. Also it didn't specify that data share to gain strategic advances would be understood as a direct involvement.

RF has very formidable Electronic Warfare systems that have not been used yet. So I guess it has still the time to neutralise those. And when they do, this is how we will know that the war actually started.

@ Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 15:56 utc | 228

It has been clear, almost from the beginning, that this war is very theatrical

In our expectations, sure.
But in a 'flash-boom-bang, looky here and there fancy weird weapons doing all kinds of flashy stuff' – not yet happening.

This war is a slow grind with massive artillery steel walls raining on poor Ukrainians. Almost static while not really televised, as all previous US wars were.

But having said all that, I think when, and not if, it escalates, it might become more dynamic and attractive.

What Ukraine is doing together with the West is engaging its propaganda machine, directing and orchestrating pathetic theatrics made to fit the uninformed Western mind. And apparently it is somehow working to the certain point.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 16:24 utc | 227

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 16:08 utc | 230

So you know what I mean then . We only differ in that I think Zionists ,The Vatican and Atlanticists/Nato/EU are all on the same side ,at least for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 16:41 utc | 228

What Ukraine is doing together with the West is engaging its propaganda machine, directing and orchestrating pathetic theatrics made to fit the uninformed Western mind. And apparently it is somehow working to the certain point.

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 16:24 utc | 232

Thank you for your comment.

I don't think we really disagree much.

I would say the West relies much more on propaganda. The Russians look more like something I had seen in the 1950s, Walter Cronkite when he was young.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 16:55 utc | 229

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 15:56 utc | 228
Partially agreed…
The pernicious creep of NATO…the deliberate provocation of both parties, and physical murderous sniping of both sides in Maiden sq…all point to an orchestrated agenda mapped out in private mansions with trillionaires at the table years ago.
Kindly remember that these people have at their disposal the latest of everything…
computer tech..army/navy/airforce dispersal…oil/munitions/food locations…vulnerable transport systems
and of-course the blackmail facilities of who fks what underage…etc.
So they can play war-game scenarios over brandy while the “desperate housewives brigade” squaff and stuff their bellies with beer and crisps.
Who can blame them for playing monopoly with live unaware victims
Your comment….
“You will note that the stumbling block for our (western) Ukraine plan is lack of the real material resources to carry it out”
….Is very interesting…in that if the name of the game was to simply empty western resources…and waste manpower
Then what is going to refill/replace the “vacuum”.
Obviously TPTB know…and we don’t.
Therefore the annexing of Ukraine and total Black sea dominance fits into another scenario.
Most possibly from Asia.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:06 utc | 230

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 16:41 utc | 233

No...we don,t disagree at all...

I cant place my thoughts on zionism/khazarianism/donmeh/chabad lubavich/ashkenazi/sephardi...et al...sabbatean/frankist...the list goes on forever...
this forum is ukraine (khazaria...lol).

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:12 utc | 231

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 2 2022 15:21 utc | 225

Excuse me, Mr. Sinophile, while I do in fact appreciate your contributions as a general rule, why are you using an european-spanish-acronym? Which honestly shouldn't ever show up beyond the limits of the bullskin?

Ghost of M, Paco, you around to weigh in?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 2 2022 17:21 utc | 232

Posted by: whirlX | Dec 2 2022 16:24 utc | 232

“RF had made a very early possible 'mistake' in February”….

WhirlX…I hope I havnt taken your meaning out of context….

But I don’t believe in mistakes.
However if you are saying that russians allowed the “West” some slack because they were
Operating under the SMO umbrella…I concur.
However….the moment that russia discovered NATO combatants in false gear murdering russians
As in Mariupal…then all bets were off.
Did the americans capture “Spetsnaz” in Vietnam?

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:31 utc | 233

War in space: "Exchange of satellites"

Elon Musk's satellites can thus be equated with PMCs used in a hybrid war against Russia. But the matter is by no means limited to this, about fifty specialists from the General Directorate for External Security (DGSE) of France have been on the territory of Ukraine since the start of the special operation. They coordinate the use of French satellites to obtain intelligence and train soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to use French weapons.

https://svpressa-ru.translate.goog/war21/article/353923/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

so there it is…kindly given to me by Kellen Cramer

please read the rest…..

itsa kind of …”Ill hit u with my umbrella…as long as u hit me with one”
crowbars not allowed.
Lol…meanwhile people die.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:58 utc | 234

Just read a BBC News article called "Russia demands annexations recognised before talks". It's like the Beeb can't understand why Ukrainian regions that have been attacked by the Ukrainian military for the last eight years would possibly want to join Russia!
The Beeb calls the annexations "illegal" but I don't recall any international court making that judgement. The NATO/EU propaganda is worryingly total. All the mainstream UK media are in lockstep.

Posted by: D J G | Dec 2 2022 18:39 utc | 235

well there are eleven serious NATO warships parked up now.

So...remember...theyre here for the weekend...monday earliest leaving...

then find "positions"...so we are at least three weeks away from
any serious action....IMV.

and then of-course jesus arrives and spreads his/her wonderful wand
and all the christians are kneeling....or drunk...
bells will ring and Santa will swisssssssshhhh acros the midnight sky
virgins taken....(n probably come back fr more)

so...I dont think the russians will do anything serious except establish Dniepr river crossing points...locate by satellite enemy clusters...
probably antagonise weak points...especially around Lviv...
and seriously piss-off the Poles somehow.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 20:21 utc | 236

Posted by: masseffect | Dec 2 2022 13:59 utc | 213
"Judging from the full military honors burial and assessing the family present I’m guessing the USN has/had some sheep-dipped special operators in Ukraine."

Right, because there are no US troops engaged in combat anywhere outside of Ukraine :)
Unless you can specify the 'assesment of family present' I call bullshit.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 2 2022 20:41 utc | 237

Then what is going to refill/replace the “vacuum”.
Obviously TPTB know…and we don’t.
Therefore the annexing of Ukraine and total Black sea dominance fits into another scenario.
Most possibly from Asia.
Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:06 utc | 235

It is certainly an interesting question what they intend to be our future, and theirs. But I am skeptical of their supposed omniscience, omnipotence, etc. and in any case they are losing control. I think they are the same sort of shallow narcissists they have always been. I am wondering what will happen here when we can no longer export our problems overseas.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 20:49 utc | 238

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 17:31 utc | 238
"But I don’t believe in mistakes."

Right on brother! Pick a side and then everything they do is according to plan and good!
Sometimes you just have to wait a little to see the the intended effect. 20 years is no biggie, 6D chess and all that. Just be patient, no mistakes are ever made by MY side!

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 2 2022 20:50 utc | 239

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 2 2022 20:50 utc | 244

Membrum Virile.....

we like that...
8200 takin the piss?

"Right on brother! Pick a side"...

cud that be guidance by complements...

Yeah right...

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 21:26 utc | 240

OohCanada | Dec 2 2022 7:11 utc | 141
To PeterAu (noting the CIA involvement in Chechnya in 1990s”.
“……your simplistic explanation of "CIA did it" is nonsense
Except. It isn’t. The CIA *were* funding and schooling dissent in that region, and, as Zbigniew Brzeziński (Carter’s NSA) gloated…. they’d instigated radical “Islam” in Afghanistan, prompting the Russians to accede to an Afghan Government request for assistance. At the time, the Russian claims of American involvement were mocked, but lat Zbig bragged it was true, and the intent was to suck Russia into Afghanistan and “give them their Vietnam”.
What has also been memory holed is the link between the Chechen Tsarnaev brothers + uncle, the FBI and the Boston Bombing.
Putin actually warned that the family was on the “known to the FSB” list.
The U$ intel basically told Putin to FOAD.
Like Osama bin Laden, the family had been US intel assets for years….because of US intel operators in Chechnya….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 21:28 utc | 241

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 20:49 utc | 243

"I am wondering what will happen here when we can no longer export our problems overseas."

this is UK you mean?

and we cant do a cecil rhodes/east india pirate behaviour..etc

colonisation?....
Uve lost me...
I see ur point...UK produces nothing...just a service/financial industry for the crooks...
explain.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 21:55 utc | 242

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 2 2022 21:28 utc | 246

"What has also been memory holed is the link between the Chechen Tsarnaev brothers + uncle, the FBI and the Boston Bombing."

...and Putin?

interesting Melaleuca...cut me some slack here....

explain that a little more...please.

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 22:06 utc | 243

Posted by: harryash | Dec 2 2022 21:55 utc | 247

I am a citzen of USA, born & raised. We've always had plenty of pirates, grifters and con-men here. We got a lot of that from our British colonizers.

I'd say it has already happened in the UK, they de-industrialized some time ago, and have no petro-dollar, and are austerified into precariousness, but I haven't been there.

The fiat dollar has somewhat protected us here. We are largely de-politized, despite the continual political dog-and-pony show. When we get back to real politics, that's when to watch out.

Imperialism tends to be bad for the home county, over time. All that loot is corrupting, and corruption does matter.

Russia seems to be doing better without its empire, risky though it was to lose it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 2 2022 22:23 utc | 244

A note from home front here is USA. The amount of blue-and-yellow on public display is sharply down. I've not seen an Azov t-shirt in a while. All right thinking people of course Stand With Ukraine, they are not proclaiming that as much as they were. The constant is that Russia is Mordor and Putin is Sauron. The plosives in Putin's name will always be accompanied by a bit of spit and spray and snarl, covid transmission be damned. Simply pronouncing the Putin name quietly is enough to arouse suspicion.

My take is most are ready to let it go. Change the subject. If prompted they will still be fervent Z-man supporters. But they would rather not be prompted

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 3 2022 15:13 utc | 245

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