Ukraine Open Thread 2022-214
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Posted by b on December 1, 2022 at 17:12 UTC | Permalink
next page »The US and Russia are a WWE team.
"Steely Brandon returns to the ring with hard justice for Vlad the Impaler".
Posted by: Gerry | Dec 1 2022 17:45 utc | 2
catbonez @ 1
An Ukrainian does not have a chance.
It's not fair but life isn't fair, one aspect, an important one, when reaching adulthood and attaining the age of reason is to not be a sucker, at the very least for your own self respect. Many people in Ukraine have no voice and are constrained like many of us in the west, but way too many are putting up a very brave and hard fight for all the wrong people and all the wrong reasons.
On a tangent just saw this on TG and worth sharing, UKR has absolutely no idea of their dead, this is just too obvious to not be true:
Info from a channel in Kiev: We were once engaged in alcoholism with our old friend in early September, AFU general. And by the morning (i.e. very drunk) we touched this delicate issue. A friend said that officially at that time 46K were KIA, 12K MIA. But these numbers only include those who officially was registered in AFU either before February 24 or in June when the documents were put in order. All these territorial defence units recruited by thousands on the streets in Mariupol, Kharkov, Sumy, Bakhmut, Slavyansk, Nikolaev, Kramatorsk and dozens of other towns, are not included here. Until the fall they didn't even have documents. People were just given machine guns and sent to kill Russians. Same about police, prison officers, SBU officers, the National Guard, volunteer gangs and so on - they are not included in the AFU losses.
https://t.me/denatofication/4385
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 17:45 utc | 3
I have been reading these comments for the last month and have found them very enlightening. My question is that before the war in Ukraine there was one in Georgia. Can anyone shed any light on what happened to start that conflict? Thanks
Posted by: Roadblock | Dec 1 2022 17:48 utc | 4
Re:"before the war in Ukraine there was one in Georgia. Can anyone shed any light on what happened to start that conflict?"
No, but I can assure you that after the war in Ukraine there will be one on Moldova (Romania?) as night follows day
Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Dec 1 2022 18:00 utc | 5
The US and Russia are a WWE team."Steely Brandon returns to the ring with hard justice for Vlad the Impaler".
Posted by: Gerry | Dec 1 2022 17:45 utc | 2
Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner!
Yep, exactly that. Antony Blinken and Sergey Lavrov just signed the same nightmare G20 statement backing vaccine passports and all the other elements of the WEF 'Great Reset'. Biden, Zelensky, and Putin are de facto cooperating in a genocide of the male Ukrainian population, hated by their global masters. Meanwhile they are bankrupting and demilitarising the west. This is a war on humanity and no powerful humans are on our side. The end game is THX1138, worldwide.
Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2022 18:01 utc | 6
Another article some people here should read that fooling themselves that russians will somehow do better during winter than ukrainians in a war in..Ukraine.
"Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/?sh=6324558f4254
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:04 utc | 7
Posted by: Drifter | Dec 1 2022 18:01 utc | 6
you should really know some russian tales
Waska the Cat would be the best picture for the russians now :D
Posted by: Macpott | Dec 1 2022 18:04 utc | 8
@Roadblock 4
Search for the Tagliavini Commission Report. This is the EU report which stated that Georgia was the party that was mostly at fault, not Russia.
Here in the U.S., the propaganda machine has consistently claimed since Obama took office that Russia invaded Georgia for no reason. Basically, the politicians here didn't like the facts and conclusions in the EU report so they have never said there was any disagreement about what happened or who was at fault -- the consistent message has been that Russia invaded Georgia and Russia was 100% wrong in their actions.
However, the EU Tagliavini Commission Report puts most of the fault on Georgia. I suggest you read the report and draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Dec 1 2022 18:07 utc | 9
Russia whine again, Russia is obviously no superpower with this lacklustering and powerless attitude to every problem they encounter.
US and NATO directly involved in Ukraine conflict – Lavrov
https://swentr.site/news/567501-us-nato-ukraine-involved/
Well stop whining and aid syrians, afghanis, iraqis with arms and let them attack US troops in the middle east.
Germany’s ‘genocide’ resolution shameful – former Russian president
https://swentr.site/russia/567500-germany-medvedev-genocide-holodomor/
As long as Russia do not do anything, it will be taken as a weakness - as it is - and west will just keep on with this type of attacks and involvment in the war.
Well stop whining and make your own resolution against Germany, that they commited genocide against russians!
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:19 utc | 10
I tried posting this in previous thread, everyone was busy with meta.
AFU offensive in Svatove and Kremenna stalled due to ammunition shortage: details
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have failed the planned November offensive in the Kupyansk and Krasnoliman directions due to an artillery crisis.
A check of the combat efficiency of the 92nd and 80th AFU brigades near Svatov has revealed that units armed with self-propelled and towed guns are experiencing serious shell starvation and cannot take part in major offensives.
According to the Military Chronicle, the biggest shortages are related to artillery shells of 122 and 152 mm caliber, as well as the delivery and use of shells of NATO caliber (155 mm). The ammunition situation is particularly difficult in units using 203 mm Pion guns. Shells for these guns were not produced in Ukraine, and their quantity was strictly limited.
Production of artillery ammunition of Soviet calibers at the Artem plant in Kyiv is currently impossible. The company cannot operate in the context of Ukraine's energy shortage and constant missile attacks on the country's military infrastructure.
The situation is different in the 25th and 95th brigades of the AFU near Novovovodnoye (35 km north of Kremenna). The units are depleted due to high casualties and the deterioration of guns. Approximately 30-40% of self-propelled and towed guns have been destroyed or require repair, while another 30% have already been sent for repair and taken out of service. For the remaining 155mm shells, the AFU units near Kremenna are short of guns.
Due to artillery shortages, the AFU is not receiving modern weapons, but foreign M101 105mm caliber guns have been produced since 1941. Shells for these guns are not effective enough and are consumed 15 times faster than 152mm ammunition, which only adds to the shortage of ammunition.
The AFU cannot promptly replenish ammunition from old depots in the nearest regions: most of the RAW depots in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv, Sumy, Kyiv, and Chernihiv regions have been destroyed by high-precision weaponry.
The shells that manage to reach artillery units have expired shelf lives. The newest ammunition with a long shelf life was produced in the late 1980s and shows signs of casing deterioration, leading to incidents. Since the beginning of October, the howitzer division of the 25th Airborne Troops Brigade has recorded at least three fatal incidents involving a projectile rupture in the breech casing of the 122mm D-30 gun.
The redistribution of shells and guns between units on the Kremenna-Svatovo line is hampered by the November muddy weather, a shortage of heavy equipment to transport ammunition, and the activity of Russian Orlan-30 drones, which target surviving AFU convoys with rocket artillery and Su-25 attack aircraft, depriving Ukrainian forces of the ability to form a striking grouping.
https://t.me/milchronicles/1352
Of course you can choose to not believe any of this. Such as it is I would say the specific and local has more heft thn the global.
But there it is. Can't fight without ammo.
Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 11
"Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine"
Zanon you really need to up your game a bit. Everyone knows that anything sourced from neoliberal corporate media is propaganda. I am sure that article was ghostwritten by some junior league donut-eater inside a beltway boiler room operation.
Keep this up and you'll get a pay cut. Seriously worried for you!
Posted by: Chris | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 12
cbc headline today
Why the battle for the small city of Bakhmut is so important to both Russia and Ukraine
One of the longest-running battles in Russia's war on Ukraine is in the Donbas city of Bakhmut, where Russian forces have suffered immense losses for months trying to break Ukrainian positions.
i refuse to link the page here.. if canucks believe this shit, they deserve everything they get and that includes me!!
Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 18:21 utc | 13
I’m afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If Zelensky really wants his citizens to have water and electricity, all he has to do is accept the Russian terms and we will stop this campaign. Until he does, we will continue to attack targets that supply his army with electricity. If this has consequences for the population, these are his problems. We are using water supply and electricity against the people of Ukraine. We have “cut them off” forever or for a long time for the sake of the lives of 14.3 million Russian speakers in Ukraine who have been driven from their homes and whose lives have been seriously damaged.
Freely modified from the original press release.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 14
If Im fooling myself about how well Russians will fare better than Ukrainians this winter. it may be because I can read a map. All of Russia is either further north of Ukraine or further away from the tempering influence of the Black Sea .. meaning however cold it is in Ukraine it is even colder in Russia; and much colder than Southern Ukraine
I also know history. Russia conducted impressive offensive maneuvers in the Stalingrad AO from November thru February, 1943 and cleared much of Ukraine of Germans in the winter of 1944. Im guessing Russia has taken steps to protect its troops from cold. I wonder if Ukraine can say the same thing
Posted by: Callmelennie | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 15
yeah - ukraine moved into bakhmut this spring, lol...
line from the article -
"Before Russia's invasion, Bakhmut had a population of 70,000 people and was known mostly for its large salt mine and as a transportation hub where several highways intersected.
But since the spring, the city has become part of Ukraine's front-line defence."
Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 18:23 utc | 16
Posted by: Roadblock | Dec 1 2022 17:48 utc | 4
CIA-backed attempted coup. Russia prevented the coup, cleaned the place up & left.
Posted by: Mary | Dec 1 2022 18:35 utc | 17
@Callmelennie | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 15
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Thermodynamics is cheaper to learn from a textbook than from practical experience.
Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2022 18:35 utc | 18
They say that History repeats itself but I think Mark Twain said it best It Rhymes. Looking back to WW II the west financed the Nazi's rise to power and existence. Basically to destroy Russia. Today the West is doing the same thing and it's financing the Nazi's for the same reasons as before WW II to detroy Russia. Since history rhymes or repeats itself I guess we'll have WW III also.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article174656.html
Posted by: Llob | Dec 1 2022 18:36 utc | 19
ICYMI, "Joker DPR" document dumps
SBU operations in Donbas, 2016-2018
US DELTA military command Kakhovskaya dam instructions
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2022 18:48 utc | 20
LOL west and Ukraine know exactly what Russia is up to that is why they can never do any real damage/win.
Russia is preparing another powerful air raid on Ukraine, writes Der Spiegel
“Actual satellite imagery shows unusual movement at a key Russian military airport. Experts see Engels-2 on high alert and warn of a powerful new air raid on Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/Inc2Get/status/1598319087750467585
Like I said many times, the russians always 1 step behind.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:53 utc | 21
Greetings to the Esteemed Community!
I have a request. When talking about NATO and Ukraine (or other places) the counter argument of "There are other ways to project military power" is often used in response the the idea that NATO is not crazy enough to have a full-on clash with Russian, so Russia should not be worried about the NATO expansion. Generally, I feel that the counter argument is good because any military force, even if potential, create deterrence which affects the politics. In terms of specific examples, I can think of a situation where Ukraine is in NATO, and certain factions in Ukraine continue putting pressure on the Russian-speaking population and Russia cannot do anything about it militarily because of Article 5. However, I am not educated/smart enough to work out more examples. Have you seen anything like articles/books where the "other ways to project military power" would be studied, classified, and discussed with examples? Could you refer me to those? Application to potential scenarios in Ukraine would be a huge bonus. Thanks much in advance!
Posted by: velizhan | Dec 1 2022 18:54 utc | 22
James 13, it’s almost laughable: the number of times the MSM can sound the victory call. Dozens of Russian generals whacked, RF forces running out of missiles. The latest I heard on the radio was that the Ukrainian media had opened up a channel where Russians can opt to surrender. Meaning what? That they will call into a radio show and say the word ‘surrender’? Or do they surrender via text message?! As usual it’s classic projection.
The text should read: The Russians are “suffering” immense losses of artillery shells which they are using to pulverize Ukrainian positions.
Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 1 2022 18:57 utc | 23
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:19 utc | 10
Here is the last resolution concerning Germany, they're asking for another one.
Posted by: Paco | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 24
Chris @ 12
Keep this up and you'll get a pay cut. Seriously worried for you!
Our little troll is being paid in rat tails and worm ends, the big trolls are harsh and bully him. He comes here for the human affirmation. Love is where you find it.
BTW at the very start of the SMO, when there was that 40k long military convoy, the NYT had a front page story with a picture of an RF APC in the long line covered in snow and icicles, saying how the Ruskies were going to run out of gas and that hundreds of troops would freeze to death in their vehicles. Even an ardent mush brained reader of the NYT would have spit out their morning coffee at that one.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 25
This is the Alexander Mercouris video that the trolls did not want you to watch.
Highly recommended; I am grateful to the trolls for drawing my attention to it.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Dec 1 2022 19:06 utc | 26
It appears that Zanon is once again using the bar as his/her/its toilet...
Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Dec 1 2022 19:10 utc | 27
Only Die Linke and AFD voted against the holdomor resolution. Good for them, any germans here not supporting either of these parties, you are real stupid!
What is wrong with Germany? It is like nazi-hatred and ideology is triggered once again against the slavs.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:11 utc | 28
oldhippie @ 11
AFU offensive in Svatove and Kremenna stalled due to ammunition shortage
I immediately thought of the supposedly huge soviet era depot in Transnistria, and then this shows up on TG. My guess is the RF would blow it up, but guess that depends were it is w/ respect to the cities or inhabitants there. I would imagine and hope it isn't in the middle of town. But then yah never know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion
Moldovan Foreign Minister Popescu calls for withdrawal of Russian peacekeeping forces from breakaway republic of Transnistria and elimination of ammunition depots left over from Soviet period
A Soviet-era ammo depot exists in Transnistria-controlled village of Cobasna under control of Russian forces and local authorities. https://t.me/IntelRepublic/9600
And, just a few days ago, seemed same old same old at the time:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 19:15 utc | 29
Chris
Remember the nazis froze to death in their attack on the Soviet union - in many thousands, if that happen in this war it will of course happen to russian soldiers before ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the food that have to be transfered to keep 150-200k soldiers warm.
And why would any russian soldier want to stay and be used as a cannonfodder stuck in cold winter in Ukraine anyway?
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:18 utc | 30
Lol someone using my nick now. Not me at #30.
b can of course see the IP of this sockpuppet imposter LOL.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:20 utc | 31
^^^ from what I read early on in the SMO the soviet era depot in Transnistria is the biggest in Europe or something like that. I stopped believing 99% of what I read somewhere around the year 2000, except here of course 🙂
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 19:25 utc | 32
There are over 60 patriots now in position having fallen of the back of trucks.Like refrigerators they love the cold.
Posted by: mcohen | Dec 1 2022 19:25 utc | 33
Roadblock (4), Mary (17):
What happened in Georgia in 2008 was very similar to what has happened in Ukraine--on a much smaller scale. Georgia installed after a CIA-led "color revolution" (akin to the Maidan coup) a pro-Western, anti-Russian president in Saakashvili (akin to Zelensky), who authorized bioweapons labs (akin to the 46 in Ukraine prior to February 24th) and started to attack the pro-Russian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia (akin to the Donbass). Russia surprised the West with a very modern blitzkrieg to defend the Russian provinces and later incorporated them (akin to the recent referendums in Russian areas of Ukraine) and quickly moved to surround Tbilisi, Georgia's capital (akin to the early move against Kiev). Georgia quickly acceded to Russia's demands (unlike Kiev) and relinquished the pro-Russian provinces and its efforts to join NATO (akin to Ukraine's desire to join NATO). Since then, Georgia has been very subservient to Russia. Russia has had a much more difficult operation in Ukraine because Ukraine inherited a large Soviet arsenal and has(d) a very large army well-funded by NATO nations. But the end result for Ukraine will be identical to that of Georgia-a massive defeat for the West. In both conflicts, Russia has shown itself to be the pre-eminent, most technologically advanced ground army in the world. One interesting piece of trivia--after Saakashvili finished his presidency, he was subject to a criminal prosecution and fled to the Ukraine, where he was involved in the Maidan coup and became briefly the governor of Odessa Oblast. However, he was later thrown out of Ukraine and remained stateless for years before recently returning to Georgia, where he was promptly thrown into prison and will probably spend the rest of his life. Words of wisdom for his clone Zelensky--flee to your mansion in Miami and never, ever try to go back to Ukraine!
Posted by: FHTEX | Dec 1 2022 19:25 utc | 34
@Roadblock | Dec 1 2022 17:48 utc | 4
TL;DR on the Georgian War in 2008.
Georgia had a colour revolution (Rose Revolution) prior to '08 that put a Western backed guy in power (Saakashvili).
The Western backed guy had an eye toward NATO and the EU, and participated in some American military adventures. He was also fairly corrupt.
He had two break away regions in his country that were blocking it's admission to NATO. See any parallels? ;)
He made the 'wise' choice to open fire on UN mandated Russian peacekeepers during the Beijing Olympics (when Putin wasn't President and was out of the country at the Olympics). The world was distracted with the Olympics, and he though he had the support of the West. He tried to make new facts on the ground when 'everyone' (AKA- the Western public) was distracted.
The Georgian army was stomped by a rather ramshackle Russian army. Western support was mostly just words. (Which, given current events, was probably better for actual Georgians than the West 'helping'.) Then Russians went back home (with some minor security adjustments around the break away regions). The Georgian leader didn't get reelected...
I personally credit this episode with being the thing that encouraged the Russians to begin a serious modernization of their military equipment, as prior reforms were mostly organizational. It was one thing when the West was sponsoring terrorists in Russia, it's another when a state level actor is 'encouraged' to attack Russian soldiers.
The Georgian leader (Saakashvili) has popped up wherever the Americans need a tools since he was run out of office. Recently as a Governor in post Western coup Ukraine. He then went back to Georgia, where he was he was promptly put in jail.
Posted by: Another James | Dec 1 2022 19:27 utc | 35
It should be said that we've had many trolls like Zanon over the years on MoA. What he says is not new. In the past it was mainly trolls for Israel. I've forgotten his screen-name. Independent web-sites will always attract trolls.
I find Zanon rather an open propagandist. He could offer some little arguments to help us believe, but he doesn't.
Posted by: laguerre | Dec 1 2022 19:30 utc | 36
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 25
The purpose of the writer from Forbes is to push the narrative that the Russian military is incompetent. Just check out his past articles since day one. Here is one: "Russian Trenches In Southern Ukraine Are Too Short To Stop A Ukrainian Attack".
When the invasion started I looked to various news sources and would get so called military experts who showed a picture of one Russian tank and concluded that supply lines were not delivering, maintenance was shit, old tanks, etc .... all from one picture of a Russian tank that could have been taken anywhere and at any time.
Posted by: Erelis | Dec 1 2022 19:38 utc | 37
Another batch of russia prisoner swapped...
Fifty Russian soldiers return from Ukrainian captivity in prisoner swap, top brass reveals
https://tass.com/politics/1544535
Most be in the thousands now?
Compare that with american POW's in Iraq AND Afghanistan which was like...20 in total for 20 years!
Which again prove another big problem within the russian military capabilities, or lack thereof that is.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:39 utc | 38
Well stop whining and make your own resolution against Germany, that they commited genocide against russians!
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 18:19 utc | 10
What for?
So Germany says something about Russians committing genocide.. blah, blah, blah big deal, who cares? After sanctions and the nordstream sabotage, there is nothing of consequence that could arise from that.
The only thing worth Russia's time in "making your own resolutions against Germany" is to hire a couple of propaganda workers to spread archived pictures of present day German chemical and auto makers during world war 2 on Twitter all day.
Done.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Dec 1 2022 19:40 utc | 39
@ Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:18 utc | 31
Just imagine the food that have to be transfered to keep 150-200k soldiers warm.
Not for RF. Their lines of supplies are short and solid, while well stocked.
It is lot harder for Ukrainians to do anything over the 400-800 km like shipping fuel, food, ammo, and forces. No trains, no fully functional electricity, bridges over Dnieper that might disappear at any time, constantly moving back-forth damaged and nonfunctional NATO weapons.
A real nightmare. Logistical and otherwise.
On the end, it would be a terrible NATO planning and overenthusiastic EU's countries flow of all types, varieties, and kinds of arms that defeated Ukraine and ultimately depleted themselves.
I do not mind if someone is of an opposite opinion, but just look at the facts. Not some propaganda. It might be that also you might be a bit inpatient, but I assure you Russia will get there.
The overall message from me to you is:
Russia is indestructible and will win this and any other future conflict with the West if there would be any of such kind left.
Posted by: whirlX | Dec 1 2022 19:43 utc | 40
Our narratives are basically in line, but I disagree with you on whether the Russian Georgian operation was "ramshackle". The Russian offensice suprised the West with how professional it was; modernization of the Russian military was already well-underway but was ramped up even more powerfully in the years sine. The Russian military performed extremely well in Syria where aviation assets were also employed, but the Russian effort in Ukraine has been nothing short of brilliant. In eight months Russia has managed to bring a once-modern nation to its knees and to essentially eliminate one of the largest and well-armed militaries in the world.
Posted by: FHTEX | Dec 1 2022 19:44 utc | 41
FieryButMostPeaceful
"What for?"
I pointed out just why in my #10 post:
As long as Russia do not do anything, it will be taken as a weakness - as it is - and west will just keep on with this type of attacks and involvment in the war.
The german resolution is a great psyop, even some people here do not realize that (obviously) that is how clever it is. Russia should respond in kind but I dont see that coming.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:46 utc | 42
It took quite a while for the presser to be posted, here is the begining of the long conference, Lavrov as sharp as ever, I've watched the introduction and a couple of questions.
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1841407/
Posted by: Paco | Dec 1 2022 19:48 utc | 43
Lol someone using my nick now. Not me at #30.
b can of course see the IP of this sockpuppet imposter LOL.
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:20 utc
Ok, I'll bite. Turnabout is fair play? Someone trolling the troll?
What's the over/under on how long before "Zanon" is arguing with himself?
Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 19:50 utc | 44
I guess we should take the "where's Zanon" comments to a non-Ukraine open thread.
Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 19:51 utc | 45
Testing to see if this MoA post goes through mentioning US/NATO/Zelensky loss of control over Ukraine ultra-nationalist militias and/or the diversion of western financial aid/arms to them with the assistance of US/UK intel. 'They' went full jihad on me for this subject on various social media platforms. Not sure if just because of that or because I associated that with Zaporizhzhia shelling. Something stirred 'them' up.
Neither MoA nor 'b' has anything to do with this - 'they' have some weird way of interfering with the mechanics of connections and posting. It might be Wordpad-specific - not the first time it's been used.
Nonetheless, worth a billion. Always love to know what touches a nerve on those treasonous psychopaths. [touch... touch... touch...]
whirlX
The food have to be transported from Russia proper, of course that is a huge risk and Russia is certainly not prepared, risk ending up like Hitler's soldiers:
Hitler’s Winter Blunder
The call for winter clothing for the German armies in Russia
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/hitlers-winter-blunder/
Video: Russian soldier with Hypothermia. No blood or other causes of death to be seen.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1596283603385651200
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:53 utc | 47
Posted by: FHTEX | Dec 1 2022 19:25 utc | 35
"In both conflicts, Russia has shown itself to be the pre-eminent, most technologically advanced ground army in the world."
And almost simultaneously:
Posted by: Another James | Dec 1 2022 19:27 utc | 36
"The Georgian army was stomped by a rather ramshackle Russian army."
C'mon guys, at least get the basic facts agreed before posting. I wish to make a formal complaint to your superior. Who can get behind such diverse messaging?
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 1 2022 19:56 utc | 48
Minor tactical successes yesterday for Russia. Ukraine is striking Russian concentrations South of the z npp, tomak I believe. Its been struck multiple times, maybe Russia should put their stuff under tents or something. They seem to forget satellites watch them 24/7.
Speaking of satellites looks like they arm their bombers out in the open still. Border infrastructure is still being struck in Russia so there goes another red line i guess. Ukraine doesn't recognize Russian territory as off limits.
Propoganda about Ukrainian electrical repair crews is ramping up. Russia better get in some more hits before Ukrainian AD is built up like their artillery before.
Lots of rumors about a winter offensive from Russia, their troop concentrations clearly are being recorded exactly so sounds like it'll be a turkey shoot if they swarm in.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 1 2022 19:57 utc | 49
BTW at the very start of the SMO, when there was that 40k long military convoy...Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 25
It was never 40k long, it was @5k long (iirc) and 40k away from Kiev. And yet, 9 months later, the MM's false description is still the accepted version. Propaganda is effective, even among those who should know better.
Posted by: The Owl | Dec 1 2022 19:59 utc | 50
I try not to copy paste too much from TG as this is a discussion forum not a news aggregator but this is rather interesting, seems we are at total shut down, just in time for the cold that kills to set in. Pity the people of Kharkov and Odessa who are majority pro Russian have to go through this, it's terrible for the old.
@Rybar Analysis: The State of the Energy System in Southern #Ukraine after the Russian Strikes⚡️
During a recent speech, Zelensky said that the electricity situation in the #Odessa region is one of the worst in the country. To solve the problem, the Kiev authorities are even considering fantastic options of using Turkish floating power plants.
In the light of such statements, it is possible to determine by circumstantial evidence which specific Ukrainian energy infrastructure facilities in the #Odessa Region were taken out of action during the massive missile strikes.
With a very high probability, the Ajalyk 330 substation northeast of #Odessa was knocked out during the raids. This prevents the transfer of power to the city from the South-Ukrainian NPP in the #Nikolaev region. A bypass line through the Ladyzhyn TPP open switchyard is also out of service, presumably to the Pobuzhskaya 330 substation.
The strikes on the facilities of Ladyzhyn TPP in 👉 #Vinnitsa Oblast have also significantly reduced the ability to transfer energy to the southern parts of the country. The entire Odessa region is now powered by transit through the Moldovan TPP, whose capacity is critically insufficient to power the region.
Theoretically, damage to the open switchgear of the South Ukrainian nuclear power plant is possible. However, the probability is extremely low: in the event of such an attack, Ukrainian resources would have published tons of material from the scene to accuse Russia of "nuclear terrorism," but it has not appeared online.
It can also be assumed that the targets of the latest massive strike by the Russian Armed Forces were no longer transformers, but precisely the general station control points (GCPs). This partly explains why major power supply problems began simultaneously throughout the country.
The cumulative effect of past raids has taken its toll and the unified Ukrainian energy system is disintegrating into separate unconnected islands.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 20:06 utc | 51
This tragic reality should be pondered by all those who have placed a tiny Ukrainian flag alongside their online identity and embraced “Stand with Ukraine” as their personal rallying cry.
Ritter's article, worth reading.
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/the-death-of-a-nation
Posted by: Paco | Dec 1 2022 20:09 utc | 52
The Owl @ 51
It was never 40k long, it was @5k long (iirc)
You would think hyping it to 40K would make the convoy, the resources, and the Russians even more impressive not less? I was using 40K to reference the event, I never figured it was 40K as that's just silly but did figure 20K from the picts, especially the aerials. I'm not to sure about 5K however, I live in Bumfuck and we get 3 mile jam ups in the middle of town if there's an accident, flooding, road work.
But yes, I have to keep reminding myself lenses flatten perspective, media use the effect all the time to make small look large or large look small, even though I know it if I'm not concentrating it'll con me.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 20:26 utc | 53
@ Chevrus | Dec 1 2022 18:57 utc | 23
yes - laughable, if it wasn't so sad... but brainwashing being what it is, the cbc has to stick to the ongoing format..the people who read it and believe it are not capable of critical thinking or if they are - they've turned it off for cbc coverage of the ukraine dynamic..
@ Membrum Virile | Dec 1 2022 19:56 utc | 49
russias army at the time was probably quite different then it is today... that is something to ponder.. 2008 is when it happened.. maybe others can chime in... paco? thanks for your posts btw paco...
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Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 20:38 utc | 54
has anybody got any serious info on satellites...
surely all these drones/missiles etc only find their targets from
gps signals etc...
or am I wrong.
and recently russia has placed more in orbit.
are there killer satellites to take out NATO/USA satellites
anyone got any idea.
Posted by: harryash | Dec 1 2022 20:43 utc | 55
@Paco | Dec 1 2022 20:09 utc | 53
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/the-death-of-a-nationHere is the real tragedy of this conflict—the human toll. By the time this war is over, Ukraine will more than likely have suffered around 500,000 combat deaths.
That is 5 times the number Van der Crazy was not allowed to say publicly.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 20:46 utc | 56
@harryash | Dec 1 2022 20:43 utc | 56
anyone got any idea.I guess it is possible that some of them also navigate by tracking stars.
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 20:52 utc | 57
Biden asks Congress for another $37 billion to support Ukraine, said U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Nuland
https://t.me/intelslava/42141
Meanwhile Russia unable to stop ukrainian offensive attacks
Explosions continue to rumble over all of Donetsk, local residents report a fire after APU strikes.
1 employee of Donetsk Emergency Situations Ministry killed in Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk Republic.
Donetsk again under the "Grad" - explosions and outbreaks in the Voroshilovsky district
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/15709
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/15710
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/15705
Donetsk people were more secure 1 year ago from now than the situation today. Great job Russia!
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 20:52 utc | 58
harryash @ 56
are there killer satellites to take out NATO/USA satellites
Of course there are, as there used to be a military Space Shuttle they never talked about which was their fighter plane in space, or experiment with one. I'm sure there were plans to grab a Russian or Chinese satellite.
Russia last year, IIRC, used a S500 to knock out one of their old satellites, one shot, one hit. It was a message as much as a test.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 21:06 utc | 59
>Posted by: Callmelennie | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 15
>
>Russia...cleared much of Ukraine of Germans in the winter of 1944.
Not hard to do in the fourth quarter of 1944.
Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Dec 1 2022 21:10 utc | 60
>Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 20:46 utc | 57
>Here is the real tragedy of this conflict—the human toll. By the time this war is over, Ukraine will more >than likely have suffered around 500,000 combat deaths. That is 5 times the number Van der Crazy was not >allowed to say publicly.
Then Russia should just say "f*** it" and steamroll Ukraine already. A total war is the shortest war (and hence, the most humanitarian).
Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Dec 1 2022 21:14 utc | 61
I’m curious about Vander loonies claim of 100,000 military officers deaths, she’s the former defence minister of Germany she should know the difference between soldiers vs officers if she means 100,000 officers that would mean probably another 4-500k in enlisted soldier deaths. 100,000 deaths seem way too low, back in September they were talking of 191,000 Ukrainian military deaths, we could have easily added another 60,000 deaths
Posted by: Kadath | Dec 1 2022 21:15 utc | 62
ReinhardVonSiegfried
There are no 100k dead combat deaths, there are 100k ukrainian death and injured persons. Likely Russia have suffered as much atleast:
Dana Spinant, deputy chief spokeswoman and Director for Political Communication for the European Commission, clarified on Twitter that the 100,000 figure was meant as a rough estimate of total Ukrainian military casualties, including both dead and wounded.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1597928159336615936
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 21:17 utc | 63
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 20:52 utc | 58
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 21:06 utc | 60
Norwegian...I am reading your link....thanks.
Lightyears...point taken...but my main question really is....
how to destroy all the guidance systems
Posted by: harryash | Dec 1 2022 21:20 utc | 64
Zaporizhzhia update:
Four of six reactors in cold shutdown - fuel is below boiling point, control rods fully inserted, reactor vessel can be depressurized and opened for refueling, repairs, etc.
Two reactors in normal or warm shutdown (#4 and #6?) - fuel is still hot but fission is very low (control rods almost fully inserted). Rosatom, current operator, announced last week that these two reactors would be brought back into full operation (soon?).
Old Zaporizhzhia plant director fired by Rosatom, who has now promoted one of the senior engineers to the director position. Energoatom (former plant operator), in turn, fired this engineer (!) and labeled him a traitor to Ukraine. Not that this matters - Energoatom hasn't paid employees in months.
Rosatom asked all plant employees to sign new employment contracts with them, as they are the current operators. Which means better salaries and payment in a useable currency, Russian rubles, not the nearly-worthless Ukraine hryvnia. For normal employment administration and security, Rosatom will not let non-employees in the nuclear plant, so those former Energoatom employees refusing to sign on to Rosatom employment (to avoid being labeled as traitors and collaborators by Ukraine) are effectively quitting. Rosatom apparently isn't requiring Russian citizenship as a condition of employment, although many employees and their families have already applied.
No reports yet on how many will stay on vs. quit, but the vast majority of current plant employees are thought to be staying and signing new Rosatom contracts, much to the horror of Energoatom and Zelensky's administration. The handful of Zelensky 'loyalists' have long since departed the plant and their homes in Enerhodar for Ukraine-held territory. Zaporizhzhia NPP previously employed 11,000 workers, no reports of how many there are today.
The Ukrainian Energy Ministery (headed by German Galushchenko), Ukraine's power distribution operator, Ukrenergo (CEO Vladimir Kudritsky) and Ukraine's nuclear operator (Peter Kotin) are thoroughly mobbed-up and are the main players in endemic corruption of the industry. Loss of Zaporizhzhia represents the loss of a huge stream of grift and bribes that these guys depended on, as well as an entire other web of organized crime/government parasites and moochers. Dangerous because these clowns are tied to many other western organized crime clans/governments that live off of the skim from their nuclear and power generation loans/grants/aid to Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 14
I’m afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If Zelensky really wants his citizens to have water and electricity, all he has to do is accept the Russian terms and we will stop this campaign. Until he does, we will continue to attack targets that supply his army with electricity. If this has consequences for the population, these are his problems. We are using water supply and electricity against the people of Ukraine. We have “cut them off” forever or for a long time for the sake of the lives of 14.3 million Russian speakers in Ukraine who have been driven from their homes and whose lives have been seriously damaged.
Freely modified from the original press release.(sic)
Y'all done misspelt 'Passerby' son, tis 'Plagiarist' . . . No offense, just being correct. I cannot abide bad spelling ! Tchah !
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 21:40 utc | 66
fyi
I guess this is just the price of Freedom⟨™⟩ and Democracy® in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1598302069353582592
"The UK intends to provide military, financial and diplomatic support to Ukraine until Russia withdraws its troops from Ukraine." - UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverley.
MEANWHILE, back at the ranch:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-63754846
Cost of living: People in Cardiff 'eating pet food'
"People are having to eat pet food while others try to heat food on a radiator, a community worker with 20 years' experience has said.
....Trowbridge lies in what Mr Seed calls an "arc of poverty" from east to west of the Welsh capital, with issues endemic in his area.
"I'm still shocked by the fact that we have people who are eating pet food," he said.
"[There are] people who are trying to heat their food on a radiator or a candle.
"These are shocking kind of stories that are actually the truth.".....
Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 1 2022 21:40 utc | 67
Kadath @ 63
It is an interesting choice of words by an ex-defense minister who has a native level command of English. Thinking about it now and the quote I referenced in @3 above, maybe that was the distinction she was making - between the professional Ukrainian army "officers" and the "riff-raff" (in her mind not mine) press ganged into service and left to vanish in the mud?
She seems all proper and buttoned up, capable and smart, but she's a nasty piece of work and a categorical idiot. A starched German Liz Truss. This time the Hermes veil was pulled back a touch?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Dec 1 2022 21:41 utc | 68
michaelj72
Disgraceful indeed, still the stupid westerners support the warmongering policy on Ukraine!
Public continues to support Britain’s role in Ukraine conflict
6 in 10 support Britain’s response to the conflict – just 12% oppose
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/public-continues-support-britains-role-ukraine-conflict
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 21:46 utc | 69
RE Posted by: Roadblock | Dec 1 2022 17:48 utc | 4
Georgia War - a short primer
The ancient kingdom of Georgia became part of the Russian empire in the early 1800's after a devastating invasion by Iran in 1795 which wiped out a large portion of the country. The ruling Bagration dynasty became Russian nobility and provided sterling service to the Russian empire. (the mother of Princess Maria, the main Romanov pretender was a Bagrationi)
After the Revolution there was a brief independent republic which was absorbed into the USSR in the early 1920's at the end of the Civil war. In 1924 Stalin, a Georgian, took power and transferred two areas South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which were populated by their respective ethnic groups (not related to the Georgians) to the Georgian SSR
At the break up of the Soviet Union the Abkhazians and South Ossetians declared independence from Georgia and had a short and brutal war, followed by a truce in 1992
In the mid 2000's there was a colour revolution which led to a government that was hostile to Russia in Tbilisi. The new government was determined to retake Abkhazia and South Ossetia and in August 2008 , during the Beijing Olympics, attacked South Ossetia. This attack was repulsed by the Russians who were allied to the South Ossetians (North Ossetia is part of Russia). The Russians temporarily occupied parts of Georgia proper but later withdrew to the two rebel republics which they recognised as independent states. There has been a fragile peace since
Posted by: Aslangeo | Dec 1 2022 21:47 utc | 70
@FHTEX | Dec 1 2022 19:44 utc | 42
I think the Russians did surprise the West with their ability to respond, and respind quickly-- Though, given the region of Russia that Georgia bordered, the West shouldn't have been surprised. I also think the Russians operated well on a strategic level. However the material level of the forces that went into Georgia left a lot to be desired (despite the stomping they gave the Georgians).
As I said, I think that the Georgian War was what ultimately what pushed Russia into an accelerated military modernization drive (on more than an organizational level). The Russian military the world saw in Syria, or during the Crimean operation, was a very different force.
As neither a Russian, nor a slavophile, I view the Georgian War as tremendously short sighted on the part of the West. After Putin's Munich speech in 2007, on a purely cynical imperialist level, the West would have been better served by backing off a bit, stringing Putin along, encourage the Russians to continue half assing military modernization, while 'building bridges' with the West. A just West would have given Russia a proper seat at the table... Either of those was a better option for the West.
(My interest in Russia is mostly centered of the Post Soviet transition, as the fall of the Soviet Union and Eastern Block was always something that fascinated me.)
@Membrum Virile | Dec 1 2022 19:56 utc | 49
If someone would be kind enough to pay me that would be nice, but alas it was simply case of two people trying to come up with a reasonably short summary of events around the Georgian War at the same time. We just happened to hit most of the same points because those are the most relevant to conveying the story.
If FHTEX is getting paid I'm jealous (and would like a cut).
Posted by: Another James | Dec 1 2022 21:52 utc | 71
The Russian newschannel Vesti reports https://www.vesti.ru/article/3071964
Swedish expert named a possible way to undermine the Nord Stream gas pipelines
Explosive devices that were used in sabotage on the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines could have been delivered to the site using a surface vessel. This was stated by Associate Professor of the Swedish Defense Research Institute Hans Livong in the Swedish newspaper Expressen.
The specialist emphasized that it was not a small high-precision charge, but a larger one placed next to the pipes at the bottom.
Livong believes that several vessels could have participated in the sabotage - they were necessary to control the explosive device.
Another version also appears in the article - the charges on the pipes of gas pipelines were installed using underwater vehicles.
Explosions on the Russian export pipelines Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 , which run along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, occurred on September 26. Germany, Denmark and Sweden suggested targeted sabotage, recalls RIA Novosti .
According to the Nord Stream operator Nord Stream AG, what happened on the gas pipelines is unprecedented, and it is impossible to estimate the timeframe for repairs. After the damage to Nord Stream, the Prosecutor General's Office initiated a case on an act of international terrorism.
At the end of October, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that representatives of Gazprom were allowed to examine the site of the Nord Stream explosion , and the head of the company, Alexei Miller, reported to him on the results. Putin commented on the incident, calling the explosion on gas pipelines an obvious terrorist attack.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Dec 1 2022 22:01 utc | 72
whirlX | Dec 1 2022 19:43 utc | 41
+ @ Zzzzzzznon
re Russian supply lines. Saw a vid on telegram where a clump of Ukrainian soldiers find a Russian food/ ration pack.. Laughter. “Just feed it straight to the pigs”… “nah. Even pigs won’t eat this shit”. Anyway they rip into the box, and start opening the sealed single serve tins and packets. One dips a spoon into one meal….ooops, it’s really good.
Slowly, against their every inclination, they are increasingly impressed (and jealous).
For a single day ration pack, the food is nutritious, tasty, with variety, there’s a few sweet treats, and there’s enough for a hungry man.
Fuck. Say the Ukrainians how come these mfkrs get this? How?
……… cue the zzzzzz:) #they weren’t really Ukrainian… #they were Russians in Ukrainian uniforms playing acting.
Yeah. Nah. It seemed a real vignette. Why did they then posted to telegram? ….
But why do Ukrainian soldiers post any of the stuff they post….. ?
Like the young lads soaking in the summer sun on the top of the transport … less goofing for the selfie and more situational awareness… maybe they would have noticed they were about to be obliterated…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 1 2022 22:01 utc | 73
About Georgia ... @ Roadblock (4) and Mary (17):
Then @ FHTEX | 35 and @ Another James | 36
An informative forum working like it was supposed to work. Sharing is caring. No judgments. Good stuff.
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 22:15 utc | 74
" the Russian Georgian operation was "ramshackle" "
@ FHTEX | 42
fwiw John Mearsheimer's opinion about Russia in Georgia, also was it wasn't great mil performance and motivated Russia to thoroughly reform it's military and training etc etc which it has done.
my ref is very recent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBiV1h7Dm5E (sorry can't recall where exactly, towards the end?, but it's a decent interview to watch anyway)
And just because he said it doesn't make it true, but he has some bonafides on the subject matter. I don't know myself either way.
And @ Membrum Virile | 49
Really good! :)
Posted by: SeanAUs | Dec 1 2022 22:27 utc | 75
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 21:40 utc | 67
Ok, I admit I copied that text. Here's the original:
1999. Jamie Shea, NATO Spokesman, gives a press conference about the war on Yugoslavia.
I'm afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal with but that water, that electricity is turned back on for the people of Serbia. Unfortunately it has been turned off for good or at least for a long, long time for all of those 1.6 million Kosovar Albanians who have been driven from their homes and who have suffered, not inconvenience, but suffered in many cases permanent damage to their lives.
https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2022 22:30 utc | 76
Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 19:18 utc | 31
Remember the nazis froze to death in their attack on the Soviet union - in many thousands, if that happen in this war it will of course happen to russian soldiers before ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the food that have to be transfered to keep 150-200k soldiers warm.
Sergueï Koujouguétovitch Choïgou, is of the Tuvan. He knows the cold.
And why would any russian soldier want to stay and be used as a cannonfodder stuck in cold winter in Ukraine anyway?
If you threatened and attacked my mother, nothing would stop me from getting to you.
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 22:39 utc | 77
We Are Using Ukraine To Do WHAT?! with Aaron Maté in USA
explains why peace talks were stopped between Russia & Ukraine. how the US is using Ukraine to weaken Russia without a direct conflict - as opposed to actually defending Ukraine from attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F5Yu8hC-Sc (11 mins)
Russia is portrayed as this demonic
existential threat that we can't
negotiate with and the one outcome of
that is that you have no Democrats right
now, not even Bernie Sanders not even the (leftist?)
Squad who are willing to stand up and say
- "Why are we spending so much money on a
neocon proxy war that is threatening the world?"(And) that the Former Defense secretary
and former director of the CIA Leon
Panetta just came out and said that
according to intelligence analysts that
he's familiar with they've upgraded the
chance of a nuclear war at 25% - so
according to them there's a one in four
chance of nuclear war right now as a
result of this proxy war -- but still
the propaganda here is so strong that
that won't force people to come to their
senses and to say it's time for
diplomacy; it's time to stop killing the
negotiations that we've been blocking
for many months now ...
Slowly word gets around ... very slowly.
Video has 101,660 views 2 Dec 2022
Russell Brand has 6 million subscribers on Youtube btw
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 22:49 utc | 78
@Zanon 7
You couldn't find a source for you BS in Beano, soo you quoted Forbes instead? You do really ze it is less credible?
Posted by: Hermit | Dec 1 2022 22:50 utc | 79
That BBC story on people eating pet food - as a cheapskate my reaction is its a load of nonsense, probably politically inspired. Yes, food prices have soared - but from their previous very low levels. Wet dog food is about £1 for a 400g tin - for less than that (80p) you can get two 400g tins of own brand baked beans, more nutritious and a lot tastier. Add a wholemeal loaf at 39p, margarine at £1 to spread on it, own-brand tomato ketchup (65p) and two pints of whole milk at £1.30 (or 4 for £1.60) and you have decent nutrition, especially for kids.
https://www.trolley.co.uk/search/?NR=1&q=whole%20milk&order=price
Re drones hitting unsuspecting soldiers - are they very quiet, very high or both? I keep seeing grenades dropped onto unsuspecting troops of both sides. How is it they seem to be unaware?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Dec 1 2022 22:54 utc | 80
Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 20:46 utc | 57
blabla
Here is the real tragedy of this conflict—the human toll.
Oh, is it ? What about, uhmm, the innocents, the birds, the deer, the boar, the bloody squirrels (my dog hates 'em, hates 'em), stoats, weasels etc, etc ! And the 'kin insects, beez 'n shit, yo ?
The fucking land ?
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 23:05 utc | 81
Posted by: Roadblock | Dec 1 2022 17:48 utc | 4
Here is the EU Georgia report:
Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia, Report, Volume I-III, 2009
https://www.mpil.de/en/pub/publications/archive/independent_international_fact.cfm
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 1 2022 23:19 utc | 82
Thank you all for reminding me about the 2008 war in Georgia. At the time I was all in the "the big Russia meanie head" camp but that no longer applies.
This gives me an example to use for those that insist Russia and VVP want all of ukraine. Why didn't they do that to Georgia? Because there was no need in the first place and IIRC there was a promise to not expand eastwards after Russia withdrew from the former DDR.
WRT the commentator who stated that only 12% of Britains supported Russia in this war, I will say that only 12% were brave enough to admit it. I would put that percentage at least double. A minority for sure but a sizable one at that in spite of all the propaganda that comes from the british legacy media.
Posted by: T.D. | Dec 1 2022 23:20 utc | 83
FieryButMostPeaceful@40 asks Zanon "So Germany says something about Russians committing genocide.. blah, blah, blah big deal, who cares?"
The resolution is not really aimed at Russia nor is it expected to make any difference to Russians. Or even Ukrainians for that matter. The resolution is partners with the recent amendment to Paragraph 130 of the Penal Code on "incitement of the people." The criminal penalties for denying or minimizing genocide can be up to three years now. The resolution redefines criticism of the fascist propaganda myth of the Holodomor as in itself a criminal act. It is similar to Zionists in some country defining anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism weeks after they increased criminal penalties for "anti-Semitism." According to WSWS, Die Linke and AfD abstained. Die Linke, not being socialists, may feel more guilty about defying bourgeois-democratic principles. (Do any Linke people actually oppose the war on Russia?) AfD my guess is feels butt-hurt over the threat to their fascist/sympathizer friends, family and members, but the AfD people here can speak on the issue to clarify.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 1 2022 23:21 utc | 84
Long ago, Oswald Spengler wrote a book "The Decline of the West". Now, it seems that this decline progressed and that we came to the point of the collapse.
I am looking people at work in one Dutch company. They live like in a dream, so full of pride that they are so advanced, so "progressive", even more progressive then democrats in USA. They are honestly happy that democrats won in the midterms.
Young generation is totally consumed in "managers" culture, believing and pretending to believe in different buzzwords like "scrum" or sales divinity.
They are ready and want to sacrifice themselves fro Ukraine. They are buying solar panels believing in green transition.
A lot of believing, a new religion.
Posted by: margo | Dec 1 2022 23:23 utc | 85
@ Another James | Dec 1 2022 19:27 utc | 36
Very good abstract. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
And yes the 'now' Southern Military District(2010 onwards) learnt many valuable & very painful lessons for RF to address. Hence the RF '2008 Military Reforms' that followed ...
See: Roman Republic, Marian reforms, Military Reforms of Gaius Marius ...
Lol https://azgeopolitics.com/?p=2676 “Lockheed Martin Corporation has been awarded a fixed-price contract in the amount of $430,930,711 for the full-scale production of HIMARS MLRS and support services to meet the urgent support needs of the United States Army and various foreign partners,”
Export price for one GMLRS missile is $222,900. The Pentagon gets some discount, hopefully, so let us assume 150,000$ .
That means 2867 missiles. Not really impressive.
Posted by: aquadraht | Dec 1 2022 23:29 utc | 87
@ Sarlat La Canède | 67 who seems only to be making light of it ...
@ Passerby | 77 responds with "Ok, I admit I copied that text. Here's the original: 1999. Jamie Shea, NATO Spokesman, gives a press conference about the war on Yugoslavia."
When I first saw that 1999 comment being shared online, I thought of doing exactly what you did. Because often some people cannot connect the dots by themselves; the "obvious" is not always "obvious" to all.
What you did "was obvious" to most imo, and you included the link ... but sharing one of the social media links that only had the short extract may have been clearer.
such as by Maria Zakharova To Stoltenberg, Borrell and Belodomovsky for memory:
From a briefing by NATO Press Secretary Jamie Shea. Brussels, May 25, 1999: [...]
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/4231?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp - may need to click on Context to see translation
Nevertheless I got the "joke" - besides your @Passerby | 14 isn't plagiarism, so don't apologize or say it was.
It is fair use - Title 17 U.S.C. - for any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work.
Plus taking the piss out of politicians and govt official, aka Parody, is ALWAYS FAIR GAME (copyright or not) - Period!
IF anyone wants to see what real dishonest Plagiarism looks like - then just read anything by Alastair Crooke - such as explained with evidence examples here:
SeanAU | Nov 29 2022 21:09 utc | 264
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/the-moa-week-in-review-not-ukraine-ot-2022-209/comments/page/3/#comments
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 23:31 utc | 88
Posted by: Paco | Dec 1 2022 20:09 utc | 53
Didn't know that Scott Ritter has a Substack. Unfortunately, it's paid only - the free version only has "occasional public posts". Sorry, not paying $7/month for this, not when I can get the same info on his Youtube interviews. He was complaining in a recent interview about the cost of living in the US, his bills and mortgage have gone up, so clearly he needs the money. At $7/month and with his rep, he'll likely make some good money on Substack eventually.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 1 2022 23:31 utc | 89
@aquadraht 88 If HIMARS launchers are meant in the contract, Newsweek told a price of 5 million $ in 2014 https://www.newsweek.com/who-makes-himars-cost-launch-missile-fire-manufacture-1752295 , assuming that the price doubled is a conservative estimate. So if the contract would mean launchers, we are speaking about 40 to 80 pieces. Also not a lot.
Posted by: aquadraht | Dec 1 2022 23:34 utc | 90
Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 14
Young Ukrainian girl "Vova, smash them!" Vova is Vladimir Putin.
Ukrainian girl tells funny parable
Ukrainian girl pull no punches
Those girls are fed up.
Posted by: Anne B | Dec 1 2022 23:38 utc | 91
They live like in a dream, so full of pride that they are so advanced ...
@ margo | 86
So are people who believe that newly uncovered Buzz Words going 'viral' in some circles such as "Civilisation States" suddenly explains everything anyone ever needed to know about history, global politics, Russia & China, the Delusional West, and Wars in the Ukraine.
Who'd have guessed two simple words could be that Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time?
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 23:44 utc | 92
a suggestion....
slow down, step back, take a breath... read what b said at the beginning of this open thread:
"Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators."
I doubt I'll ever have the pleasure to meet b in person but I have benefited from his work and can imagine that he is living through some hard times in Hamburg, Germany and yet he continues to take the time to research, question, resist, sometimes admitting his work didn't bear fruit, and keep this wonderful blog going so we can check in on what's going on and make our lives a bit more informed and better. He doesn't bitch about his problems. He tolerates a large spectrum of conversation which I guess includes many opinions far from his. From my perspective, b exhibits qualities I try for. My suggestion... read his few words and consider what he asks for in this blog: give facts. stop smearing and trying to put down people who present themselves as opposing the dominant tenor of the bar. Give a link to what you're reading. Absorb insults without responding.
Posted by: migueljose | Dec 1 2022 23:47 utc | 93
Posted by: Callmelennie | Dec 1 2022 18:22 utc | 15
Female UAF soldier showing off the conditions
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@ PavewayIV | Dec 1 2022 21:36 utc | 66
thanks paveway... i appreciate it...
@ Anne B | Dec 1 2022 23:38 utc | 92
thanks.. the bottom 2 are quite good!
@ migueljose | Dec 1 2022 23:47 utc | 95
right on! thanks...
Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 0:01 utc | 95
If you threatened and attacked my mother, nothing would stop me from getting to you.
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Dec 1 2022 22:39 utc | 78
If you slagged off at my country or my beliefs/opinions, or even my mother, I could not give a shit.
Why bother even reading what Zannon says, and why in gods name would anyone feel the need to repost it again?
Saturday detention might teach him the error of his ways.
(apologies, I am so easily distracted today. Must be the weather.)
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 0:03 utc | 96
But jeez, call me Irish meant as an insulting putdown and I'll go crying to my mother.
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 0:05 utc | 97
@Membrum Virile | Dec 1 2022 19:56 utc | 49
"I think the Russians did surprise the West with their ability to respond, and respond quickly-- Though, given the region of Russia that Georgia bordered, the West shouldn't have been surprised. I also think the Russians operated well on a strategic level. However the material level of the forces that went into Georgia left a lot to be desired (despite the stomping they gave the Georgians)."
There is only one way to bring large levels of troops into Georgia from Russia, and that is a long underground tunnel. Georgian special forces with assistance from the west were supposed to take that tunnel and blow it up. Had that occurred, Russia would have had a much more difficult time.
It was Russian tactics that saved the day, their special ops got to the tunnel first, and held it open so the regular army could pour through.
As you say, the material level of the Russian Military left a lot to be desired, and Russia took some losses, but ultimately overpowered the much smaller Georigian Military. The Russian airforce struggled somewhat with Soviet Era Anti-Aircraft weapons.
Posted by: Haassaan | Dec 2 2022 0:08 utc | 98
There's a cold week-end ahead. Forecast says around -8 C during the nights. Ukrainian cannon fodder will get to feel what it's like when hell freezes over. Their Nazi commanders probably have generators in the houses they've occupied so they'll be spared this time.
Posted by: Fentanalyst | Dec 2 2022 0:14 utc | 99
I could see the Russians sitting tight once they have cleared Donbas. At least for some time. It seems to be working except for Ukraine shelling civilian areas.
I hear that they could make a run up to the Dnieper. But it is my impression that they dont have the numbers to occupy such a large expanse.
Whatever they do, I expect it will be unexpected and will be well considered.
Posted by: jared | Dec 2 2022 0:26 utc | 100
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It crossed my mind this morning how sinister that what is happening in Ukraine. Russia appears to be after Russia's business, eradicating Bandera and securing the east. US/The West are in for money laundering and usual plunder. An Ukrainian does not have a chance.
Posted by: catbonez | Dec 1 2022 17:22 utc | 1