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December 04, 2022

The MoA Week In Review - (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-216

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

BBC is designating targets:

BBC News (World) @BBCWorld - 13:32 UTC · Dec 3, 2022
New images show Russian army base built in occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol

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The building is a civilian hospital:
- Donbass | Medical center in Mariupol: from scratch and turnkey - in just 85 days (video) - VSK

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Other issues:

WW III:

Ziofascists:

Rayan Dawud @rayandawud - 16:44 UTC · Dec 3, 2022
Since @Netflix’s #farhafilm has ignited a global debate around the Nakba (catastrophe) I thought I’d share an Al Nakba 101 🧵. Context: I have a degree in Palestinian & Zionist political history. I speak Hebrew and I lived in Palestine.
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Random Stuff:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread ...

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@ Judge Barbier | Dec 6 2022 16:42 utc | 200

this is the right place to post and i am going to repeat your post as it is worthy of more peoples attention.. at this point the west is openly supporting nazism and worse...

"Not sure if this is the right place to post but I just noticed that the fallen icon of journalism that is the Financial Times, has just deemed Zelensky to be the 'person of the year' for being '....a standard bearer for liberal democracy'

Perhaps they think banning opposition parties and closing publications is what liberal democracy entails now. No wonder alot of the old FT hands left the paper..."

Posted by: james | Dec 6 2022 17:16 utc | 201

Below is a link to a Wall Street On Parade posting showing the bubble getting ready to pop

Secretary Yellen, We’ve Got a “Staggering” Problem: New Report Shows Foreign Banks Have Secret Derivative Debt that Is “10 Times their Capital”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 17:22 utc | 202

Did you know that thee is a thriving secondary food market? A place where all the old, expired and rotting food gets sold again and where the profits are magnificent- the more so because Healthcare is a private matter.

"...With scant regulations in place for repurposed food, and institutional purchasing specifications silent, food liquidators underbid their competitors and win contracts nearly every time. In the secondary food market, you get what you pay for, and never has the saying “garbage in, garbage out” been more appropriate.

"No matter how much hot sauce or gravy is added as camouflage, spoiled food products are unfit for human consumption and cause foodborne illness. Here, what you don’t know can kill you.

"In its most recent public report posted on its website, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimate that, each year, roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases. However, “recent” is a misnomer here as the CDC’s report is shamelessly outdated by more than ten years. It was issued in January 2011.

"Considering that food poisoning is an embarrassing indicator that reveals in its gory horror the systemic corruption of what turns out to be an unregulated food market, it is highly probable that there was undercounting back in 2011—especially in institutional settings. And it is more than likely that things are even worse in 2022.

"When oversight agency reports are no longer published, it is clearly because industry statistics and agency performance metrics do not look good. Cover-ups at the federal level are routinely done by appointing incompetent or industry-compromised agency heads, and by defunding key reporting departments, and reducing analytic staff positions and field inspectors..."
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/12/06/black-market-in-broad-daylight/?mc_cid=cea6158de9&mc_eid=f5d74d7021

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2022 18:23 utc | 203

@Peter AU1, #124:

Your real name might as well be annon. There must be at least 100K+ Peters in AU alone, let alone the rest of the world. I personally know about 50 Peters in Hong Kong, and another 100+ in the USA since I moved here.

Oh, btw, my real name is Hoi.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 6 2022 18:33 utc | 204

psychohistorian @202--

The report says Yellen didn't author the revelations; BIS people did. The article's short yet very powerful and demands to be read. This excerpt ought to be enough "bait" to get barflies to read the entire item:

An equal concern for Yellen, Congress, and every engaged American is the fact that all it takes is one heavily interconnected global bank (foreign or domestic) to set off a wave of contagion in global financial markets. And, there is no question that the counterparties to a significant amount of that $39 trillion in off-balance sheet derivative debt at foreign banks are the big five derivative banks in the U.S.: JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America and Morgan Stanley.

How do we know that? Because the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency publishes a “Quarterly Report on Bank Trading and Derivatives Activities.” In the most recent report for the second quarter of this year, those five bank holding companies listed above represented $221.539 trillion in notional derivative exposures, or 84 percent of the derivative exposures of the largest 25 bank holding companies in the U.S. (See Table 14 in the Appendix of the OCC report linked above.)

All the above is an excellent ad for divesting dollars and investing in yuan, rubles, rupees, or some other ASEAN currency.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 18:35 utc | 205

@Antonym, #193:


I bet you there are a few bio-labs in Mumbai and New Dehli. They ain't telling, but if you look you'll find them there.

Hoi.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 6 2022 18:44 utc | 206

"..The early settlers in the US had a big problem not often recorded in the histories: their best men kept wandering off and not coming back. Why? They found life much better in the Indian tribes. The most capable hunters and woodsmen...." Scorpion@166

Not just the men either, the women who, contrary to "Chief Two Eagles" did not do all the work, unless you don't count providing enormous quantities of animal protein, furs and hide as work, had equal voice in communal affairs. Just as men were attracted by the indigenous lifestyle-including sensible sexual mores- so were women who ended up living among the native peoples, and, often, hiding away from 'rescuers.'

Posted by: bevin | Dec 6 2022 18:45 utc | 207

Thanks for that! I just pulled BASF out of the air for use as an example; I had no idea they were already in the process of doing what I suggested.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 0:03 utc | 140

Germans have been in China for well over a century if for no other reason than to make a (D) Mark. Krupp built the world's biggest long range cannon out of their worlds best steel. First they would sell to China with range of, say, 3 miles then to Japan with range of 3.25 miles. This went on for quite some time until airplanes ruined the trade.

Tsingtao beer there since 1903.

Mercedes now making most of their money selling top end luxury models into China.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 19:48 utc | 208

Piplineistan continues to expand as this RT item notes:

A key construction project that is part of the East Route pipeline supplying Russian natural gas to China was completed over the weekend, the newspaper the Global Times has reported, citing energy giant PipeChina.

The now-completed tunnel under the Yangtze River will allow Russian gas to reach Shanghai. Having taken 28 months to construct, the tunnel is over 10km long and is designed with three natural gas pipelines, each 1.4m in diameter, according to the report. The East Route natural gas pipeline is expected to be completed and operable by 2025....

The East Route natural gas pipeline was partially launched in December 2019, thus becoming the first pipeline to supply Russian gas to China. It includes the 3,000km-long Power of Siberia pipeline in Russia and a 5,111km-long section in China.

The mega pipeline will provide China with 38 billion cubic meters of Russian natural gas annually starting in 2024. It is part of a $400 billion, 30-year agreement inked between Russia’s Gazprom and the China National Petroleum Corporation in May 2014.

Meanwhile, the Green Agenda is again exposed as a Biden falsity as this report demonstrates:

By recklessly politicizing normal trade in photovoltaic (PV) products with China, the US is hurting the profits of its own industries and putting up barriers on its emissions reduction path, analysts said on Tuesday, after Washington revealed preliminary results of a probe and accused four Chinese solar panel producers of "circumventing" US tariffs.

It is not a smart move for the US to adopt a policy of "decoupling" from China in the PV sector, Lin Boqiang, director of the China Center for Energy Economics Research at Xiamen University, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

China is the largest producer of PV products. By supplying solar panels to the global market at competitive prices, it is making a contribution to addressing the climate change crisis faced by the whole world. The US is heading in the opposite direction by attempting to exclude Chinese producers from its supply chain, said Lin.

Meanwhile, the first China-Arab Summit is about to begin this Friday in Saudi Arabia. This Global Times editorial cites the reasons China-Arab Summit is significant<:

The first summit between China and Arab countries will be held in Saudi Arabia on Friday. This is a milestone in the history of China-Arab countries relations and will take the cooperation between the two sides to a whole new level. For the Arab world, a region with highly varying levels of economic development and complex internal conflicts among countries, it is rare that a unanimous friendly attitude toward China and strong expectations for cooperation can be formed and sustained for a long time. The pivotal point behind this corresponds to the most outstanding problems world peace and development are facing today and deserves in-depth study by the international community.

It is evident that relations between China and Arab countries have already created models in many aspects. Peace and cooperation, openness and inclusiveness, learning from each other, reciprocal benefits, and win-win results have always been the main theme of exchanges between China and the Arab countries. The world today is undergoing major changes unseen in a century, and China and the Arab countries are facing similar historic opportunities and challenges, from which emerged the China-Arab summit. It has been 18 years since the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum (CASCF) was first held in 2004. The China-Arab summit is formed based on CASCF. But this is not simply an upgrade, it is a result of China-Arab cooperation in various fields after having reached a particular breadth and depth. The convening of the China-Arab summit is also a process of forming a concerted effort under mutual agreement of both sides.

As usual, wit and wisdom are combined in the editor's prose. We shall soon see how China's communalism meshes with the Arab world's Islamic communalism while recalling the Silk Road was at first an Arab-China conduit that in some respects never died and is again rising.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 20:05 utc | 209

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 5 2022 21:56 utc | 110
"…CO2 and nitrogen are NOT pollutants…"

In summary: Confirmed. Slight cautions for CO2 at higher concentrations, though.

Quotes from the German GESTIS Substance Database (OSHA purpose), my translation, my emphasis, my comments in brackets:


Acute toxicity:
…higher concentrations can trigger massive non-physiological reactions…which are not (only) due to acute oxygen deficiency… [it] can therefore by no means only be regarded as asphyxiating gas…
0.1 vol.% CO2 [1000 ppm] has already led to head pressure and headaches in sensitive people who stayed in closed, artificially air-conditioned rooms.
… the critical effect… is acidosis, which became apparent in moderately physically active volunteers who were exposed to 1% by volume… for 30 minutes. In the absence of physical exertion, however, this concentration is still compensated by healthy adults… [continues with discussion of higher concentrations]

Chronic Toxicity:
… repeated inhalative exposure of workers… 1% by volume are only available in a few cases. In a relevant epidemiological study, only minor metabolic changes (non-significant increase in bicarbonate concentrations) in the blood of exposed brewery workers...
people in submarines exposed to > 3% …. with a reduced oxygen concentration for days to weeks… brief period of arousal [sex practice!], then to progressive CNS depression. Peripheral blood flow was increased, while core body temperature was reduced. Other cardiovascular functions were altered, the respiratory rate decreased and mental functions were partially disturbed. After a stay of up to 27 days in 0.8 - 1.2% by volume CO2, acidosis in the blood and an increased metabolically induced incorporation of calcium carbonate in the bones were detected.


There is evidence that urban CO2 domes cause losses in mental productivity due to dizziness. The greenhouse gas properties of CO2 are said to exacerbate urban heat pockets.

In summary, I classify it as "benign" and support your opinion that CO2 IS NO POLLUTANT. In another post you wrote that CO2 is used to boost greenhouse productivity. Yes, this is used, when CO2 is available from fermenting bio gas generators. CO2 can easily be separated from the methane / nitrogen mix.

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Remark: The combustion of natural gas is IMHO the cleanest source of mass energy. Besides a CO2 reduction by 50%, the typical pollutants known from coal and oil are widely absent. Examples (pollutant reduction factors range between 15 (sulfur oxide) and >1000 (heavy metals, e.g. mercury)). Also particulates (PM10, PM2.5 and UFP) and Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs, e.g. soot) are lower by factors between 50 and 250. The only common pollutant, which is emitted in equal quantities, is NOx. In the atmosphere, it forms in a photosynthetic process with VOCs the (lethal for pre-disposed people already in ppb doses) ground-level ozone. - The low level of emitted pollutants makes natural gas even cleaner than heat pumps, which typically require electricity inputs between 15% (good geothermal probe) and 35% (air-to-water at cold weather) of the output energy. The more upsetting and KILLING its own citizens is the policy of the NATO-Greens in the EU in their crusade against NG in general and the inexpensive Russian pipeline gas in particular.

To recognize/ascertain both climate change potentials (effects delayed) and pollution (poisoning, sickening, killing here and today) is tremendously important. The worst is the silence about pollution. Here we have a fact which makes me believe, too, that there is a secret malicious plan behind this policy. Not sure if it is a deliberate WEF killing wish, or just a protection of the traditional polluter's installations and technologies. After all, nothing is more profitable than the continuation of production with written-off equipment and dinosaur technologies. Research and investment are risky and expensive.

Posted by: OttoE | Dec 6 2022 20:38 utc | 210

Krupp built the world's biggest long range cannon out of their worlds best steel. First they would sell to China with range of, say, 3 miles then to Japan with range of 3.25 miles.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 19:48 utc | 208

I'm impressed that you know this historical detail of Krupp in China Scorpion.
Bravo !!!!

I learned about this Krupp business from reading "The Arms of Krupp" by William Manchester

Here is a relevant segment of the book that addresses an interesting situation in China.

It was the sequel to Alfred's icy audience with the first Kaiser twenty-eight years earlier. The germ of the problem was the same — Essen's sale of arms to foreign countries. Wilhelm was especially excited by the uprising in Peking because it had been touched off by the assassination of his ambassador there, and he was beside himself with joy when a German gunboat achieved a spectacular victory. The international expeditionary force, pressing to relieve the beleaguered Europeans and Americans in Peking, was pinned down on the left bank of the Hai River by fire from the old Taku forts. S.M.'s tiny "Iltis", Commander Lans at the helm, sailed up the Hai and took on the forts single-handed. Shellfire quickly reduced the ship to a blazing hulk. Lans was gravely wounded; nevertheless he put a party of marines ashore. They took the Boxer artillerymen from the flank, spiked the guns, and then noticed that the metal plates affixed to the breeches read Fried. Krupp, Essen. From General Headquarters in Berlin the ecstatic All-Highest sent word that Lans was to receive the Pour le Merite, Prussia's highest military decoration. In return the Allerhochsteselber received a message from his valiant captain reporting, "We were hit seventeen times, most of the shells bursting in the ship and killing and wounding my brave men. And the irony of it! {Und welcher Hohnl) All the enemy's cannon and shells come from our own country — they are all modern Krupp quick-firers."

Maddened, the Kaiser dispatched a telegram to Fritz:

ES PASST SICH NICHT, IM MOMENT, WO ICH MEINE SOLDATEN AUSRUCKEN LASSE ZUM KAMPF GEGEN DIE GELBEN BESTIEN, AUS DER ERNSTEN SITUATION NOCH GELD HERAUSSCHLAGEN ZU WOLLEN.

THIS IS NO TIME, WHEN I AM SENDING MY SOLDIERS INTO BATTLE AGAINST THE YELLOW BEASTS, TO TRY TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF SO SERIOUS A SITUATION.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 6 2022 20:45 utc | 211

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 6 2022 20:45 utc | 211

From the same book something closer in time, WW II.

He was working under intense pressure; Hitler's formal directive for the conquest of Scandinavia [Weseriibung) was not issued until three weeks later, and when the fleet sailed north at 5:15 a.m. on April 9, 1940, Krupp's representative in Norway was caught off guard. Fifteen miles south of Oslo, where the fifty-mile Oslo Fjord narrows perceptibly, stood the eighty five-year-old fortress of Oscarborg. Essen's man in the Norwegian capital had been ordered to send OKW detailed information on the defenders' strongpoints, but in his haste he had overlooked the fact that Oscarborg was armed with ancient 28-cm. Krupp cannon. Despite their age they were in superb condition. In a blaze of deadly fire they crippled one heavy cruiser, Liitzow, and sank another, Bliicher, with a loss of 1,600 seamen and several Gestapo officials who were on their way to proclaim Vidkun Quisling dictator of Norway. Oskar Kummetz, the admiral commanding the squadron, was obliged to swim ashore. The rest of his ships had to turn back for twenty-four hours. The Wilhelmstrasse was outraged by this insult to the German flag, and Altendorferstrasse, feeling partly responsible for it, was humiliated. Forty years earlier the Boxers had done the same thing at China's Taku forts. The All-Highest had visited his wrath upon Fritz Krupp then, and the new leader's temper was even shorter. There was no telling what he would do. In fact he did nothing. He was far more understanding of the pitfalls of the arms trade than any of his predecessors. Even when he learned that the firm's last big foreign sale before the beginning of hostilities in Poland had been a warship delivered to the Soviet Union, he kept his patience. After all, he observed tolerantly, it wasn't always possible to tell who tomorrow's enemies would be, and at present Russia was an ally anyhow.

A photo of Alfred Krupp was taken for the book as seen here,

https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/30864019903_3.jpg

It turned out that Krupp was very livid when he got the book, as the way the photo was taken made him look like a rather sinister character.
Well that is exactly what he was, a sinister Merchant of Death.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 6 2022 20:55 utc | 212

"
Beijing and Berlin set to forge closer ties amid 'new Silk Road' shipping project leak
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz met with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping last month and later claimed there were no barriers to further cooperation with Beijing.
By JACK WALTERS


04:43, Tue, Dec 6, 2022 | UPDATED: 05:03, Tue, Dec 6, 2022
Ukraine: Russian soldiers appear to 'surrender'
Beijing and Berlin look set to forge closer ties amid a "new Silk Road" shipping project, a report has claimed. Hamburg Port is looking to create the so-called "Silk Road" shipping projects in Greece, Poland and other parts of Europe with its Chinese state-owned partner. According to the Times, a leaked German Government document revealed that the project's ultimate goal is to extend Sino-European trade routes, including in Duisburg."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1705730/beijing-china-berlin-germany-olaf-scholz-new-silk-road-latest-news-ont

Pity this story comes from Express, but interesting. On the surface Germany and Russia at loggerheads, no way to patch things up etc.

Meanwhile plans going ahead for Belt and Road initiatives with China, Russia's symbiotic partner.

Mayhap the conflict in Ukraine does not reflect as deep a divide, nor as tectonic a geopolitical shift, as appears....

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 21:10 utc | 213


I tried to find out what happened to all their money. In the 30's, I think, they were purported to be the wealthiest family in the world. Then Fritz (?) got nabbed for pedophilia and they sort of disappeared. Have always suspected sleight of hand, new names, new business or some such.

Search didn't say but turned up this strange entry:

"Who are the members of the Krupp family?

In our modern times two men of Illuminati from the Krupp family stand out, Alfred Krupp von Bohlen und Halsbach (1907-1967) and Charles “Chip” Bohlen (1904-1974). Chip Bohlen’s grandfather and Alfred Krupp’s great-grandfather were brothers.

When did the Krupps become part of the Illuminati?
One ex-Illuminati thinks that the Krupp family became part of the Illuminati in 1836. I believe the Halbach family was part of the Illuminati, and the Halbach family married into the Krupps in 1906. 1836 date can not be far off, because the Krupp family began getting all kinds of favors from governments, beginning in the late 1830’s."

https://short-facts.com/is-the-krupp-family-still-rich/

So.... they were Illuminati.... now simply known as 'them' or 'they.' Why am I not surprised?

I learned about them from Manchester's tome too. Used to love his books. Forty years ago and counting.....

Anyway, as is well said: 'war is a racket.' And no doubt there's quite a racket right now in Ukraine, a Jewish-run klepto state par excellence. I betcha only 20% or less of the funds go to the front where only used, worthless weapons have been sent. A racket indeed....

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 21:25 utc | 214

@karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 20:05 utc | 209 Piplineistan continues to expand
Cc Old canadian

This makes totally sense to me. See the two last paragraphs in my post Dec 6 2022 20:38 utc | 210 here.

Besides (and perhaps interesting for Old canadian, we had a discussion about NatGeo yesterday):
Pipelines are having twice as little energy losses (12...15%) compared to LNG (25%). Source: National Geographic, article meanwhile removed, URL was (replace tt for xx) hxxps://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2014/05/13/greening-natural-gas-delivery-lng-versus-pipelines/. I recall an intensive discussion on Reddit back in around 2015, when "pundits" deliberately attempted to mislead the public with data on tremendous losses in pipeline systems. The lie at that time was that they equaled rotting porous cast-iron networks in century-old city distribution systems with modern seamless rolled steel cross-country pipelines. Another lie of that time (or a year later) was, that the LNG port in Lithuania reduced the gas costs by 50% vs. the Russian pipeline gas. - A fool who does not see the long pursued US-led deception campaign and the connection to the recent NS2 sabotage.

Posted by: OttoE | Dec 6 2022 21:30 utc | 215

Below is a Reuters posting title that seems noteworthy

EU set to bar Meta from ads based on personal data

If this were to become a global reality, and users were't tricked into accepting such, it just might make the internet better for humanity, IMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 6 2022 21:42 utc | 216

Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 21:25 utc | 214 Alfred Krupp von Bohlen

On the side, a German poem; Author unknown; Epitomic illustration of the word "freedom"; Pre-1980, yet more true than ever:

Du darfst dich, frei wie Krupp von Bohlen
Auf der eigenen Yacht erholen
Nur nicht auf seiner
Es darf ja auch keiner auf deiner

You may, free as Krupp von Bohlen
Relax on your own yacht
Just not on his one
Nobody is allowed to do it on yours either.

Posted by: OttoE | Dec 6 2022 21:43 utc | 217

I wanted to find the name of the pedophile and this one popped up. Good grief! No wonder I stopped reading all this stuff decades ago. It's too dark (not to mention I don't have time to verify such narratives).


The Kingpins of the Illuminati were above the law and still are. Friedrich Alfred Krupp (1854-1902) was the head of the Fried. Krupp Industrial Empire. He was pedophile who liked little boys for sex. When he travelled to various large cities he would obtain boys. Conrad UhI, proprietor of the Hotel Bristol in Berlin found out about Friedrich (Fritz) Krupp’s lust for boys when he was forced by Krupp to supply him with young boys at the Hotel. Conrad UhI, didn’t like being forced into his role as pimp and went to the Berlin police. who promptly told him to keep quiet. Krupp was above the law, no one would touch Krupp especially not even the King of Germany Wilhelm, who was best of friends with the Krupps. The police commissioner Meerscheidt-Huellessem who ran damage control for the Krupps and others died before political opponents of Krupp could get police records out to the public.

In Capri, Italy a grotto was transformed into Krupp’s private sex club where a countless numbers of young Italian boys regularly sexually serviced Krupp. This was at the Quisisana Hotel. The owner was also a prominent politician who could protect Krupp’s activities. Solid gold pins shaped like artillery shells or two crossed forks (both designed by Krupp) were given to the young boys if they performed well. Krupp would have skyrockets shot off when he had his orgasm, and porn photos taken of his activities. The porn pictures got out into the public domain and this and all the witnesses to Krupp’s criminal sexual activities, caused the Italian government to order Krupp to leave Italy. Any common person would have been arrested and the key to their cell thrown away--but Krupp was simply asked to leave. However, the press in Italy had gotten a hold of the juicy story for their Italian readers and soon all of Europe knew of Krupp’s pedophilia except in Germany where the government and the controlled media kept it secret. A few german newsmen tried to get the story out in Germany but were arrested.

When Krupp’s wife learned of the scandal she was upset and went to authorities who then through the System using physical force threw Krupp’s wife in a mental hospital in Jena. However, throwing Krupp’s wife Margaretha into a mental hospital wasn’t going to put a cap on the scandal, and suing the newsmen wasn’t going to work, and trying to run a coverup as big and violent as the JFK assassination coverup was started but it was obvious that it would have to be such a large and violent coverup that it would be difficult to pull off. In the view of all these difficulties, on November 21 or 22, 1902 Friedrich (Fritz) Krupp committed suicide. The suicide was covered up, and his body was put in a concealed casket and in direct disobedience to the law there was no autopsy--even though the law required it. Nobody, even Friedrich Krupp’s close relatives were allowed to see the body. After 3 days, Germany had a great ceremony involving the King, great words were said about Krupp, and then Krupp was laid to rest in a guarded cemetery. Now that it is no longer important, the facts of what happened can be studied, but the case of Friedrich A. Krupp’s improprieties and the resulting scandal show clearly that powerful men are above the law, any exposure of their activities can be covered up, and even suicides can be covered up.

Now historians will tell the truth, when it is no longer political correct to lie. How long will it take for the truth to come out about George Bush being a pedophile, or about Bill and Hillary’s cocaine running, or a thousand and one other criminal activities these Illuminati men have engaged in. The Supreme Council of the 330 of Southern Rite of Freemasonry had pictures of George Bush in their New Age magazine holding children in his lap. For those of us who know that he is a pedophile the picture showing him as a fatherly Jesus-type figure who children love is sickening. Will we learn from the past, or will we continue to repeat it & its atrocities? Even today, in Germany the Krupp name is above reproach. The truth is not being told. The Krupps have had too much power over the German media for the German mass media to ever say the genuine negative truth about the Krupps.

Yeah, and if you believe that emboldened part about a) suicide after which b) no autopsy and nobody saw the body (!!!), well I've gotta bridge in Crimea for ya...

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/krupp.htm

The fact that the Krupps Bloodline ends up in bibliotecapleyades says plenty. In my book it means that whatever the truth is about where that huge family fortune went, the story has not been told and probably never will be.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 21:44 utc | 218

OttoE @215--

Thanks for your reply. Modern pipelines for transporting hydrocarbons will often outlive the life of the resources that transit them. Other types of pipelines do have their faults, unfortunately. Water and sewer pipelines buried under metropolises are the ones I'm referring to here that in some places will cost billions to replace and cause widespread problems before and during replacement. Few give thought to this sort of infrastructure issue until the power running those urban systems gets disrupted for a critical amount of time. The mass of conduits running beneath the surface of urban areas are very soft targets that have escaped targeting to this point, but IMO that era is about to end as the homeless underclass seeks ways to make society pay attention to their plight.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 6 2022 22:04 utc | 219

ZH has a posting up with the title

"My Jaw Hit The Floor" - Musk Fires Twitter's 'FBI-Russiagate' Lawyer Over Vetting Debacle

The quote


Elon Musk on Tuesday announced that former FBI attorney James Baker, who came to Twitter to serve as deputy general counsel, has been fired after 'vetting' recently released evidence of Twitter's election interference unbeknownst to Musk.

"In light of concerns about Baker’s possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue, he was exited from Twitter today," Musk wrote on Twitter, replying to a Dec. 4 Jonathan Turley article shedding light on the incestuous relationship between Twitter, Biden scandals, and Baker.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2022 0:09 utc | 220

ZH has a Premium (pay for read) posting up with the title
Zoltan Pozsar: Gold To Soar, Crush Western Banks When Putin Unveils Petrogold

When is the other shoe going to drop and stop the shit show?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2022 0:14 utc | 221

Completely OT.

This is a nice quiet bar.

Has any compiled a list of the trolls here ?

Shhhhhh

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 0:34 utc | 222

Just another good news day.

Wait for it!

The "DONALD TRUMP CORPORATION INC"! Has been found guilty of systemic institutionalized "TAX FRAUD". After a relatively short deliberation of less than one full day. The final judgment on all seventeen counts will be handed down on January 13th, 2023.

The chorus of denial of reality from the Donald Trump posterior worshippers. Will reach an even greater height of illogical shouting match stupidity. One that will and/or may surpass that of the denial of climate change!

A true skeptical science/Occam's razor user will note. Self-created Tax fraud/evasion is not a political revenge attack! Because he who created the fraud is...............

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 7 2022 0:54 utc | 223

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 7 2022 0:54 utc | 223

I read a while back that DJT has
a) the largest tax returns of any individual in the US because of how every operation he runs is a separate corporation and
b) he is the person who has had the most litigation in the US (with an 80% success rate).

Given a) it is certain that any determined AG office will be able to find grounds given how I also read long before Trump that the way tax and related laws are written it is impossible to file complex forms without violating one or more elements within since they often contradict.

Maybe this is more of a good headline than a meaningful development.
Quite possibly there will be a trade: no conviction of Trump in return for no conviction of Hunter & Joe.
Or this will indeed knock DJT out of the running. Clearly the GOP doesn't want him and he made the stupid decision to try to take them over without their consent after they bailed on him in 2020. With that decision he relegated himself to the role of controlled opposition.

I suspect he is only interested in his legacy at this point. He cannot be seen to quit but he wants his four years to go down as the greatest ever etc. If he gets forced out of the race, his supporters won't feel that he betrayed them, in fact they will be fired up to go and vote again in 2024 to take their country back by kicking the RINOs out (which of course won't happen because the RINOs run the party not the people as with EVERY political party since time began).

If they succeed in electing someone that person will let them down again (like the Republican House is about to do). Or they will fail to elect someone. Either way, their vote won't count for naught.

America is a post-constitutional state and the only positive way forward is secessions from as many States as possible such that, ideally, Washington DC and the entire Federal construction is broken down.

I am generally on the side of the so-called deplorables, the Main Street variety not the groupies. But they are several decades too late and the country they want to take back a) never existed the way they idealize and b) is unrecoverable in any case without serious, deep, uncompromising reforms hardly any of which are being considered or discussed.

It ain't gonna be the American Century. That ship has sailed.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 7 2022 1:44 utc | 224

@ Old canadian | 139 says: Plants don't grow at 180ppm CO2 or lower.

That is not true. Note - "180 ppm (represents conditions) of the Last Glacial Maximum at ca. 18–20 ky BP." Plants grew during the glacial maximum. So did animals and fish. Indications are that overall Biomass would be about 50% than the present if Co2 was at 180ppm - but it depends on other conditions too. The big issue being plants do not thrive in frozen glaziers and ice sheets no matter the CO2 level.

research ref see https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=can+Plants+grow+at+180ppm+CO2+or+lower.+&btnG=

@139 also said was - "Ice cores show CO2 ppm many times higher than present day, while dinosaurs and plants were so huge as to stretch our imaginations."

It is not relevant to today's drivers of climate change nor what the CO2 level was during the dinosaurs. The drivers of that CO2 level were different than todays, earth conditions were different, the Sun's influence was different and more. Yes the dinosaurs were huge. What is more important is if today's global climate was like the Triassic period then almost every airport would be underwater and so would New York City and all of Florida.

In the Early and Middle Triassic, the long-term sea levels were similar to or 10–20 m higher than the present-day mean sea level (pdmsl).
ref https://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/science/G381A/article.htm


and @139 says: many greenhouses pump in CO2 to many times current levels to increase yields, decrease growing time. The greenhouse workers don't die.

Totally irrelevant to everything to do with climate science know how.

"Big Oil" is no more responsible for climate change and CO2 levels than all of Humanity is responsible for it. We all collectively caused it over many generations. No one is really innocent. Ignorant or knowingly. Playing those games won't solve anything.

It can only be solved collectively and that is not yet happening. And more likely imo will never happen. The future ecosystem itself will more likely solve the problem by removing the cause of the imbalance. Evolution is a self-correcting mechanism over long timescales. imo.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 2:13 utc | 225

Have begun to work through Ehret's latest long article (75 pages) "Breaking Free of anti-China Psy Ops" in the hopes that will learn much more about modern China. You have to pay for it ($7.50 kindle, $10.00 via paypal for a pdf.) He starts off with Sun Yat-Sen period about a century ago.



“When England befriends another country, the purpose is not to maintain a cordial friendship for the sake of friendship but to utilize that country as a tool to fight a third country. When an enemy has been shorn of his power, he is turned into a friend, and the friend who has become strong, into an enemy. England always remains in a commanding position; she makes other countries fight her wars and she herself reaps the fruits of victory.”

A Look to the Future Forecasting an interconnected Eurasian railway system and US-Asia alliance, Sun Yat-sen famously stated in his 1919 treatise: “The world has been greatly benefited by the development of America as an industrial and a commercial Nation. So a developed China with her four hundred millions of population, will be another New World in the economic sense. The nations which will take part in this development will reap immense advantages. Furthermore, international cooperation of this kind cannot but help to strengthen the Brotherhood of Man.”

I learned that Sun Yat-sen modelled some of his thinking on Lincoln's speeches, and in the quote above he envisages China joining with the US as two new, free, modern countries combating the wicked old British Empire. I find Ehret both fascinating and overly complex, but look forward to working through all this to hopefully emerge with far better understanding about 20th century and today's China.

Also a little surprising, though easy to have researched on my own, was how China's population has almost quadrupled in the past century. I think that's a little extraordinary, but then US population in 1919 was 106 million in 1920 versus 92 million in 1910 (15% in 10 years!) and is now about 330 million so that is 3.6 times increase since 1910, which is comparable. Quite rapid increase mainly afforded by modernisation gifted to the world by the now universally reviled White Man Bad!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 7 2022 2:30 utc | 226

In other news Global CO2 levels are now touching 420ppm, projected to hit 435ppm by 2030, when CO2 is potentially increasing by 3ppm per year. Delivering 495ppm in 2050 and an unlivable, or at best an incompatible planet, for almost all species of life.

Hypothetical scenarios and govt promises for net zero by 2050 I do not believe any of it. It's illogical, ie impossible. Net zero CO2 or emissions decreasing, with atmospheric levels coming back down to "the Goldilocks range" for humans near ~280ppm, or bringing back the previous state of critical ecosystems and climate, will not begin until and unless 'civilisation as we know it' has ceased to be.

imho, my reading of it, we are already collectively screwed. There will not be a global hegemonic empire left anywhere for the US to claim, let alone fight for or protect.

That's my best educated guess for the future. Caused by Nuclear conflagration, or global famine, or running out of fossil fuels and fresh water, it doesn't really matter how, the eventual outcome remains the same, IMO. Global catastrophic collapse. When is the only unknown.

In the meantime for the sociopaths there is buckets of money to be made on the stock markets, in real estate, in politics, the modern slave trade, tax evasion, cryptocurrency frauds, and on the currency exchanges.

Of course there is also a chance it is only one giant global conspiracy. :)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 3:22 utc | 227

@ OttoE | 210

Whether or not CO2 is classified as a pollutant today does not change the unalterable physics of it's existence on the planet. cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 3:42 utc | 228

gringo are taken to the cleaners at home...

Pentagon fails another audit, yet congress poised to approve $847 billion budget ............ Other major government agencies have long since passed audits,” said NPP. “But the Pentagon, with its global sprawl of more than 750 military installations, and a budget increase that alone could more than double the diplomacy budget at the State Department, is so big and disjointed that no one knows where its money goes.”

But try telling that to the mushrooms !

Salute to our Armed Forces, thank you for your bravery and courage defending our freedom and way of life??????..

My Dad was one of these brave,incredibly skilled souls. He logged over 18,000 flight hours and over 900 arrested landings. He passed in 2008 and lived life with fierce patriotism

war nerds gushing over their gigantic toys,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVamjW-Ks4


LIke I said,
Whenever I heard gringo whinning,
'time to march on the street and hang those bastards at the lampposts',
I told them forget it !
There'd be no rev in home of the brag,
land of the freak.

https://johnmenadue.com/pentagon-fails-another-audit-yet-congress-poised-to-approve-847-billion-budget/

Posted by: denk | Dec 7 2022 3:43 utc | 229

At Dr. Hudson's website, the transcript of the interview he had back in July with Platypus Affiliated Society member D. L. Jacobs, "Oligopoly Unchecked", has finally been posted. In its last fifth after he's explained the nature of China's political-economy, Hudson's asked if the Outlaw US Empire could reindustrialize in like manner:

Technologically, of course, the U.S. could redevelop; it has developed before. But it can’t do so, because politically it’s controlled by the anti-labor party. Both Democrats and Republicans are controlled by the rentier interests that seek to increase corporate profits by looking around the world for the cheapest labor, which is not in the U.S.

An even more serious problem is that the rulings in the Supreme Court have turned America into a failed state, e.g., how the Supreme Court ruled that the existing anti-pollution laws, the environmental protection laws by the EPA were unconstitutional, because the government has no power over the states. Or when they say “we on the Supreme Court know that the Constitution was written by slave owners who wanted state power to be in the states, not the federal government, because they feared that if there were a federal government and the northern population wanted to abolish slavery, we could abolish it. Every state gets to go their own way.”

America is an evolved slave-owning state, even though there’s no more slavery, the fight against federal power has been adopted by rentier class. It’s literally a neo-feudalism class. If you cannot have the government, either Congress or the president impose basic environmental, social, educational, or any other social regulation, and if everything is deregulated state-by-state, you have a dissolution of the government and a paralysis. The U.S. now is in a state of political paralysis locking itself into the current status quo, which means that the U.S. cannot have any kind of an industrial recovery, because that requires a federal policy to check the overhead of the banking system, the real estate sector, and the insurance sector. You can’t have a Supreme Court that would prevent any kind of a public health system, a single-payer public health system, and yet 18% of America’s GDP is for medical care. America has priced its labor and its industry out of world markets by having to pay so much debt service, so much insurance for medical care, home insurance, and real estate rents. As long as this revenue is paid out in the form of rent, you’re not going to develop.

Michael then goes on to explain why reform of any sort is impossible within the Empire today. I so wanted to share this interview back in July as I'd listened to it live, but not much has changed situationally since then aside from things becoming somewhat clearer as to the Empire's Colonial ambitions towards its NATO vassals. He doesn't note this, but one can see why the narratives versus Russia and China are structured the way they are--as with Vietnam, the Threat of a Good Example cannot be allowed to emerge. Wherever one sprouts, it's immediately demonized, and if it's a weak nation like Libya or Syria, it's physically attacked because it isn't "democratic" and supposedly threatens its citizens with free healthcare and schooling for example. But finally, the Outlaw US Empire has run into two nations and a host of others standing behind them who won't submit and also have excellent, similar examples of how to develop without becoming an Oligarchy.

The next generational time period will be exciting and eventful.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 6:13 utc | 230

@ karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 6:13 utc | 230 with link and succinct quote from Hudson...thanks

I agree with your last statement about the potential of the next generation of our species being exciting and eventful. I am just happy to be able to watch what I can of this civilization watershed "moment" before checking out.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2022 6:46 utc | 231

Türkiye says NATO applicant has not honored its demands

Helsinki has not yet promised to lift an arms embargo on Ankara, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has said

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu called on Monday for Finland to publicly declare an end to its ban on weapons transfers to his country. Otherwise, Ankara won’t support Helsinki’s bid for NATO membership.

...

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Türkiye expects Sweden, Finland to take 'concrete steps' for NATO membership

Some provocative actions continue in these countries, says Defense Minister Hulusi Akar

Türkiye expects Sweden and Finland to take "concrete steps" to become NATO members as terror propaganda in these countries is still ongoing, the national defense minister said on Tuesday.

"We are closely following the situation in Sweden and Finland. Unfortunately, we still see some provocative actions and images in these countries. We expect both Sweden and Finland to take concrete steps," Akar told reporters.
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Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 6:51 utc | 232

@ 230
"the Threat of a Good Example cannot be allowed to emerge."

Yes so true and simply put.

".. finally, the Outlaw US Empire has run into two nations and a host of others standing behind them who won't submit ... "

We'll see. Only time will tell.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 7:46 utc | 233

@ SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 3:22 utc | 227

Do you know what hyperventilation is? A lack of CO2 in the lungs, not of O2. All animals breath out lots of CO2 many times a minute, while plants need to breath it in to survive: it is not some poisonous gas at 420 parts per 1,000,000. The greenhouse effect of CO2 shrinks 50% with every doubling, the inconvenient fact that this scare/control cult hides.

The fact that the present MSM propagate "climate change" tells you all you need to know too. As if climate (=30 years) was ever static, or a global climate ever existed, or men could measure temperature in the past by the 0.1 or 0.01 C, or ancient trees etc. are good thermometers. The IPCC is a political club who pay scientists for required services, not the other way around.

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 7 2022 7:48 utc | 234

@ 233 ps

- whatever happens in the rest of the world it is not going to help the American people, the workers, the families, one bit. They will still be living in Shitsville, USA. With a lousy minimum wage and overpriced healthcare and insurance and housing while the national infrastructure falls down around their ears and warmongering politicians and psycho-think tanks who are not going anywhere

NO one will have a national stage saying : "Hey people, let us be like those doing it so good in China and Russia and Iran."

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 7:55 utc | 235

Interesting times.
We live in an age where we are told myths about how evil wind power generators kill a few birds. The Same people ignore the reality that tens of thousands of birds are killed annually by tall buildings, apartments, cars, trains, and planes.
I am is shocked! Why are you deliberately and knowingly withholding full disclosure? Fool me once, shame on you.....
We live in a time when a former prez can tell sixteen thousand lies. Yet 25% of the population worship the golden poop from his posterior. Then yell in complete unison please P... on me more. Are these unfortunates the USSA homegrown version of Baghdad Sadam?
We live in an age where facts can be obtained with a simple keystroke.
We live in an age of ten million mythical conspiracy theories. Travel around the world at near lightspeed. Not one is the truth though.
We live in the age of demialati exists. To tell us every lie we could wish for or desire! Feed the man complete lies and total crap! He becomes one very happy camper indeed!
We live in an age where people proclaim the pandemic of 2019 is a complete myth. The vaccine is the actual killer. No evidence is supplied. Just trust me! Well, one cannot live on trust alone. Still, this same mythical pandemic continues to slay the non-believer anti-vaxxers. The vaxxed ones get to live on to a ripe old age. A tragedy, where fake experts and fake information will kill you dead! One hopes in the next reincarnation cycle. Common sense will prevail over death from stupidity! Next dead charlatan,
We live in an age where projected decarbonization is a very conservative doable target. Wait please don't tell anyone about a small evil town in Southern Bavaria. This sad little non-government is self-funded by local Euro town taxes received from energy sales. Now, produces six times the energy it consumes. One that goes by the name of "Wildpoldsreid". Did the penny drop?

Let us ignore the EXXON-MOBIL announcement. All those toxic wonderful currently in production crude unrefined liquid petroleum oil fields will be pumping up fumes like Drake's old number one! In 2050! Will the pennies from heaven ever drop on the unfortunate denialati heads? One can live in hope! We live in a finite world with fixed resources limits.

Dispelling the myths, fake USSA poorly written propaganda, how the Union of the Soviet States of Amerika funds hidden in plain view black off books(the ones not given to the auditor general) generic next-generation war toys research funding. Is self-evident when one knows how to look! Whilst applying Occam's Razor testing

Should one forget about the special seven-million-dollar plastic toilet seats fitted to the Lockheed Orion P3C? In 1960! The answer to this very expensive titanium-based spy plane. One that was later revealed for all to see by "allthewaywith" LBJ! Sadly, the laws of physics restricted the top speed of this titanium-based toy! Do not exceed Mach 3.2 absolute. Maverick Tom your Mach 10 plane like your latest film is a complete myth. Please eject your plane will self-destruct in..

Much later, in the early 1990s. Two fully armed crudely built with stainless steel MIG31B. Flying at Mach 2.8 intercepted a very expensive powered by million dollar plus toilet seats(/s) unarmed weapons free Kelly built a titanium-based spy plane. Oops. Poor Kelly, the plane's designer would have turned in his grave at such a thought! Curses the evil Russians build planes cheaper and better than we in the USSA can. Shame on us.

One hears many myths about the USSA's big spender on next-generation research for war toys. Controlled by AI called "Skynet" robot fighter bomber. For sadly the age of a human pilot of any way toy died at the dawn of the dreaded unmanned drone!

Tis a pity the undereducated with zero accounting 101 background. Do not and or cannot read any balance sheet supplied annually by company law. By all the war toy producers in the USSA. Tragic really. Gotta keep spreading the myths around like there is no tomorrow. Meanwhile, all evidence is in plain sight. If only? When will the blind learn to read?

Fun fact let us ignore the annual Nuclear weapons refurbishment and security budget. Next one hundred billion air pesos
The one hundred billion air dollar unanswered question? When will the mythical USSA SPACE FORCE? Have the pennies to launch into low polar orbit three brand new playing tag "Armstrong" SBR-based space stations?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 7 2022 8:15 utc | 236

At what point does Europe start running out of electrical equipment to repair the Ukr grid ?

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 9:47 utc | 237

In reasonably reliable history there has never existed any such thing as democracy or republicacy. It would be easy to write a truly democracy friendly constitution, but that has never been done. Instead, we have systems that impose duplicitous sham 'democracy' whereby people are compelled to 'vote' for sham delegates who decide nothing, while the real rulers are always inexhaustibly funded fascist alphabet mafias. The USSA, for example, is haunted by are profoundly fascist (ie. anti-democratic) constitution. I have proposed remedies many times,such as dual orthogonal redistricting, unicameral legislature, and simple hedge voting. But I have been constantly castigated by 'political scientists', who are, however un-self-awaredly, profoundly fascistic.

Posted by: bluesIn reasonably r | Dec 7 2022 9:51 utc | 238

With regards to climate disruption, I have found this blog to be worth reading:

https://problemspredicamentsandtechnology.blogspot.com/2022/12/the-illusion-of-debate.html?m=1#more

Just because a load of corporate thieves, liars, narcissists and sociopaths shout about imminent Doom unless we embrace what they are selling doesn't mean we are not up shit creek. The wolf is real.

Posted by: Benn | Dec 7 2022 12:01 utc | 239

Interesting times afoot in Yankee puppet on a very short 'Biden' string Sgt "I know nothing" Scholz homeland.

One of the mentioned co-conspirators is an old-school genuine imperial Kaiser Prussian Prince throwback. Whose businesses have obviously been seriously impacted by the dastardly dangerous Sgt Scholz dumb&dumber suicidal energy policies of gross incompetence? This in turn would infer Sgt Scholz and his party will not receive the required funding beans in a new Federal German Erection cycle. When it falls due sooner than later.

Already standing on the edge of the precipice, the SPD party just dropped off the edge of the abyss of no return, Has just committed virtual political suicide in the Union of Germany.

The German farmers are whining about the loss of free monies. Except for a small number of Southern Bavarian resident farmers making a killing in the renewable energy market.

German auto and chemical industries are about to flee overseas!

No confidence vote for inept incompetent Sgt Scholz is due any day now............

Will the new Reichstag in Berlin catch fire again?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 7 2022 12:14 utc | 240

Enjoy the Full Moon people!

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 7 2022 14:07 utc | 241

thank you so much karlof1 #230, the Platypus interview on The Destiny of Civilization is a fascinating read.

Posted by: annie | Dec 7 2022 15:31 utc | 242

Just a quick note of Reuters propaganda optics in that there is currently zero mention on their web site of the XI visit to Saudi Arabia.

ZH has a posting up with the title
Xi Arrives In Saudi Arabia For MbS' Red Carpet Treatment, "Epoch-Making" 3-Day Visit

The quote


President Xi Jinping has touched down in Riyadh on Wednesday, kicking off a three-day visit to Saudi Arabia this week to meet with the king, in what marks his third trip outside the country since the coronavirus pandemic began, and his first to the kingdom since 2016 - or over six years. He was greeted with a lavish reception at the airport as the royals rolled out the red carpet, in notable contrast with Biden's somewhat muted presence in Jeddah in mid-July.

The state-run Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported that King Salman initiated an invite for the Chinese leader "to bolster historic ties and strategic partnership between the two countries." China's Foreign Ministry only unveiled and confirmed the trip Wednesday morning, hours before Xi's plane entered Saudi airspace, after months of rumors of the impending official visit. SPA noted that initial agreements worth nearly $30 billion are to be signed during the bilateral summit, against the backdrop of the China-Arab States Summit and the China-GCC Summit in Riyadh, which will be chaired by King Salman and attended by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS).

Regional outlet Al Jazeera previewed that the trip is expected to be a much more celebratory atmosphere compared to President Joe Biden's summer trip wherein he more or less groveled to get the Saudis to urgently pump more oil, which they later slammed the door shut on. According to the publication:


China is Saudi Arabia’s largest trading partner and MBS is expected to give Xi a lavish welcome when he lands in Riyadh on Wednesday, a marked contrast to the muted reception given to US President Joe Biden in July.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Mao Ning hailed what Beijing expects to be "an epoch-making milestone in the history of the development of China-Arab relations," with the summit.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 7 2022 16:05 utc | 243

Global Times provides this Infographic detailing some of the major aspects of China-Saudi relations. There's also a fresh editorial building on the content of yesterday's. And in the realm of Soft Power, GT has published this interesting insight, "Saudi Chinese learners welcome Xi’s visit, vow to be friendship ambassadors, encouraged by reply letter from Xi".

The specific fallout from Xi's series of meetings remains unknown for now, but certainly we should expect further movement toward Multipolar inspired organizations and processes, which the West's Propaganda Narrative will try to negate and belittle. But in reality, the Outlaw US Empire is desperate as its influence in the region hits rock bottom, and it can worsen if the region agrees to accepting yuan for its hydrocarbons and moves to overall trading in their national currencies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 16:49 utc | 244

Off-topic from the week in review but on-topic for the open thread — Bank of Canada raises interest rates by 50 basis points to 4.25%. BNN Bloomberg’s coverage of this drew out ultra Anglo insider, former deputy PM, John Manley, as well as investment pro, Andrew McCreath, and others.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bank-of-canada-hikes-key-interest-rate-half-a-percentage-point-to-4-25-1.1856041

I have been watching and waiting for this day, having noted that the mighty (not) Canadian financial system has been attracting disproportionately heavy attention, kind of akin to Nicaragua being included in some axis that threatens the USA.

In addition to this rate hike, the government of Canada recently passed the Retail Payments Activities Act, which requires all retail payment service providers (PayPal, Amazon Pay, Apple Pay, etc.) to register with the Bank of Canada who will regulate them, in order to protect consumers.

https://twitter.com/bankofcanada/status/1599841548681748481

It’s always tough to tell which is the greater evil - communism or any sort of regulation of the financial industry.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 7 2022 16:49 utc | 245

@ Marc | Dec 7 2022 3:16 utc | 372 - from the thread - "U.S. No Longer Supports Fight For Crimea"

i dig the gene krupa track you shared with anita o'day.. i hadn't heard it before... big band jazz from the 30-s and 40's is not my wheel house, but still i dig it.. i am a bit more focused on contemporary jazz... stuff like some of the music listed on this list -

Nate Chinen's Favorite Music of 2022

regarding commentary on the threads, i left a post for you on the most recent thread trying to explain my views on how to make moa a better experience for everyone.. i will repeat it here - ( see thread titled "China Shifts Covid Policies As Previously Announced - NYT Falsely Claims Protesters' Victory" for this post.. it is about staying on topic, as opposed to going OT all the time! the place to do the OT stuff is on the open threads - week in review is an open thread to discuss anything including music... cheers james

OT - off topic.. the protocol at moa is to stay on topic.. going OT is just that.. it tends to disrupt the threads like the last one on blinken-crimea.... i will respond to you on the week in review thread as that is an open thread for discussion on anything... and what richard was asking you was to identify the post you are replying to as i have here with leaf @ 2... it brings greater clarity to these threads.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2022 17:00 utc | 10

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2022 17:11 utc | 246

thank you so much karlof1 #230, the Platypus interview on The Destiny of Civilization is a fascinating read.

Posted by: annie | Dec 7 2022 15:31 utc | 242


It's been awhile since I thanked you Karl and I hope there is no expiration date on appreciation expressed
earlier, but just in case I'll join with annie in thanks for posting Hudson's Oligopoly Unchecked.
It is a must read, and fascinating.

Also, there is a wonderful treasure in footnote #1 there: Dad's Many Proverbs

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 7 2022 17:30 utc | 247

As someone old enough to remember Robin Williams and to have seen 'Mork and Mindy' on TV when the show was first broadcast .....

The fact that Joe Biden is standing in front of a microphone saying "nano, nano" is just too funny for words.

Emperor Joe was trying to open a chip factory that makes chips whose size is a small number of nanometers. And if you don't know what I am talking about, search for Mork and Mindy and be prepared to laugh. Back from the days when TV could be really funny.

Nano, Nano.

Posted by: Mindy | Dec 7 2022 18:17 utc | 248

Posted by: Mindy | Dec 7 2022 18:17 utc | 248

What is almost too funny for words is someone by the name of Mindy
telling us to search for Mork and Mindy.

Yeah, I miss Robin Williams, the funniest person ever.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 7 2022 18:56 utc | 249

Nobody interested in the right-wing Reichsbürger movement 'coup' apparently stopped by German police today? I'm just getting bits and pieces of it, but this Twitter thread gives a brief background. I'm hoping the bartender offers the appropriate additional detail. For Americans: it's kind of like the sovereign citizen thing here on steroids.

https://twitter.com/W_F_Thomas/status/1600507372786647041

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 7 2022 19:34 utc | 250

@ karlof1 and anne and waynorinnorway - thanks for drawing my attention to the michael hudson article.. much appreciated...

Posted by: james | Dec 7 2022 20:34 utc | 251

Has any compiled a list of the trolls here ?
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 0:34 utc | 222

Anyone who posts too long and too often, except karlof1. At least two incredibly obvious ones in this thread that people annoyingly keep responding to. There are more subtle ones, of course - try the search feature of this blog to see the history of an alias.

Posted by: Rae | Dec 7 2022 20:44 utc | 252

For juliania & PeterAU:

Navy idles ships as labour crisis hits Otago Daily Times NZ

The HMNZS Wellington has returned to New Zealand early from what was meant to be a three-month deployment in the Pacific.

Three of New Zealand's nine naval ships are sitting idle in port as higher civilian salaries lure personnel out of the military, the Defence Force says, as tensions in the Pacific rise between China and the United States and its allies.

The HMNZS Wellington, an offshore patrol vessel, headed back to New Zealand early from what was meant to be a three-month deployment in the Pacific and was taken out of operation in November because of shortages, the New Zealand Defence Force said today. 

The Wellington is the third ship to be put into "care and custody", with two other vessels - another offshore patrol vessel and a smaller patrol vessel for operating close to shore - pulled off the line and their crews reassigned last year. The vessels have crews of 24 to 42.

The bottom line is "workforce issues are impacting ship availability to deliver naval outputs," an August note from the Chief of the Defence Force Air Marshal Kevin Short to the Minister of Defence said.

"Risks remain to Naval output delivery if attrition and hollowness cannot be addressed in a timely manner."

The Defence Force has just over 15,000 personnel, including civilian staff, and about 2800 are in the Navy ...

...

Yet, can prioritize & afford to send NZ Army Training Teams to UK to train Ukrainian conscripts ?

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Eyeing China, US and Australia invite Japan into three-way troop rotations

US will increase rotational presence of air, land and sea forces in Australia, including bomber aircraft and fighter jets, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says, amid shared worry over Beijing's growing muscle in the region.

US is planning to deploy up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers to an air base in northern Australia, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters in October.

The United States and Australia have said they would welcome Japanese troops into three-way rotations, vowing a united front in the face of China's rapid military advances.

...

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the allies would seek Japanese participation in joint operations in Australia, where the United States has been rotating Marines since 2011 through Darwin, the strategic northern city struck by imperial Japan in World War II.

Austin said the United States and Australia agreed to increase rotations of bomber task forces, fighter jets and the US Army and Navy.

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Parking Lot B-52: does the escalation of US troops and installations make Australia a bigger target ?

The (AU) Department of Defence is refusing to confirm how many American troops are stationed in Australia, who pays for it, or even why.

The rising deployment of troops and B-52 bombers however, and Pine Gap, make Australia a target in event of war between China and the US. Callum Foote reports.

The (AU) Department of Defence has refused to reply to inquiries into how many US military personnel are currently stationed in Australia. It’s not just soldiers, it’s weapons too.

An ABC Four Corners investigation recently revealed that the US is preparing to develop the Tindal air base near Katherine, 320kms south of Darwin, to host up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers. Today it was revealed the US is trying to sell Australia the latest American bomber, the B-21 Raider, and rotate the aircraft through Australia. 

Experts fear that the stockpiling of US weaponry in the Northern Territory would make Australia a target in the event of war between China and the US.

Despite the escalating presence of US troops and military hardware on Australian soil however, the (AU) Department of Defence has refused to reply to inquiries into how many US military personnel are currently stationed in Australia. Refused to reply full-stop.

We don’t even know who is funding it.

And as Chinese satellites could pick up the deployment of troops and US military installations, the secrecy is unwarranted.

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Yes, absolutely. Is US very, very worried about Pearl, Guam & Diego Garcia ? Yes.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 20:54 utc | 253

Please excuse me for changing the subject, but a story in today's RT just appeared and I wanted to make a comment about it, as it is something important to me that goes back to my childhood.

“What the CIA is hiding is what they’ve always hidden, which is their sources and methods as they relate to Lee Harvey Oswald,” he said. ‘We’re talking about smoking-gun proof of a CIA operation involving Lee Harvey Oswald.’ According to the journalist, Oswald was involved in an operation aimed at discrediting American supporters of Cuban communist leader Fidel Castro.” (RT 12/7/22)

Strange, I have known this for a very long time, long before Oliver Stones’ movie JFK came out in 1999. I was born in Dallas, Texas and was about nine years old when JK was murdered. My (foster) family and I were watching TV in our Dallas suburb home when Jack Ruby walked right up to Oswald and shot him point blank in the Dallas County Jail basement with at least 40 county, state, and federal law enforcement officers in the basement.
From that point things got stranger and stranger, for example, Oswald was questioned for hours and hours the day before he was shot down like a dog. No one took notes, or made a recording, or made any kind of effort to memorialize Oswald’ version of the story. Or, if they did, they never admitted that they did and many investigators (I know I do) wonder if such notes and recordings are a part of the archives that still remain hidden by successive governments. My (foster) parents had no doubt that the actors who murdered the President of the United States came from deep in the bowels of our government, and neither do I.

Many books have been written since that day (11/22/63), most are garbage written by CIA ghost writers to misdirect or otherwise cover up for the CIA. But some very good books and films have also been produced, these are the ones that were attacked in the media and the press as conspiracy theories early on. These are also the books and films that point the finger at the CIA and its “anti-Cuban” operation in New Orleans. Books by authors like Mark Lane, Harold Weisberg, and Mary Ferrell, whose foundation sued the Biden administration and the National Archives in October, demanding the release of 16,000 classified documents on the JFK assassination that were ordered unsealed by former president Bill Clinton in 1992.

I was saddened that the JFK Assassination anniversary passed with so little mention by the MSM, but after all, isn't that the point for the long delay?


Posted by: Ed | Dec 7 2022 21:16 utc | 254

"Please, call me Jim!"

No, thank you, James Andrew Baker.
Hope B will do another installment on the purge at Twitter. This head lawyer just got fired. He got fired, and rightly so, as soon as the new owner of Twitter learned that James Andrew Baker was even on his payroll. Apparently, Musk had no idea. What a 'Saustall'! In addition to just laying Baker off, Musk should anull anything Baker might have 'earned' in terms of pension or other benefits. Strip this lizard down to his lizard skin!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 7 2022 21:16 utc | 255

Xi Jinping sets foot in Saudi Arabia.

USA drops all charges against MBS.

They are scared.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 22:19 utc | 256

@ Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 22:19 utc | 256

My preference: Quivering in their booties.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 22:23 utc | 257

Klaatu | Dec 7 2022 22:19 utc | 256

Xi Jinping's arival in SA.
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1600552277332307968?cxt=HHwWgMCt7Z30prYsAAAA

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 22:29 utc | 258

Thanks for the replies and gratuities; all tips should be funneled to b, not me. I posted the GT links before b had posted his article related to China, thus the paucity of discussion.

Ed @254--

In case you missed it, here's J. Fletcher Prouty's "The Guns of Dallas", which is a must read. You'll also find a link to his book, The Secret Team, and to some of his other writings archived at that site. Prouty can still teach us a lot from the grave.

PavewayIV @250--

Thanks for linking that thread. Lots of strange bedfellows opposing the Outlaw US Empire European Colonization Project.

Outraged @253--

Lots of corrosion. In the Missile Age, bombers no longer bomb and eventually will go the way of aircraft carriers.

Here's one for ya that was made infamous by that pert Alaskan gal who noticed and said the obvious: I can see Russia from here. You'd think that with Russia beefing up its ability to run the Northern Sea Route 24/7/365 that the Outlaw US Empire would build a base at the obvious choke point Northwest of Nome along with several top-notch icebreakers similar to those fielded by Rusia. But there's essentially nothing at all, particularly when compared with the Russian side in Chukchi Okrug.

We've already witnessed several strategic blunders by the Empire, but that lack of naval facilities along Alaska's coast--particularly for the development and support of hydrocarbon mining--must rank near the top. What's more important: Facilities and shipping I just mentioned or the F-35.

You can enjoy your Guiness and garnish while I enjoy a Black Russian.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 22:37 utc | 259

Outraged | Dec 7 2022 20:54 utc | 253

As for Australia, rotation is a good way to bypass the word garrison. Most Australians have no understanding of the yank presence here. The massive military bases all across the north.
Talked to a bloke once whos mate got a contract for security fencing around some of these bases. Few hundred kilometers of security fencing around each base. My brother has graded most of the roads across the territory and I asked him about and he said they were there. Locals, the aboriginal people, station owners would know about them and talk about them but otherwise completely unknown to the Australian public.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 22:43 utc | 260

karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 22:37 utc | 259 "Lots of strange bedfellows opposing the Outlaw US Empire European Colonization Project."

The multi-polar world taking shape in front of our eyes. Main Putin push is respect for other cultures. Building the multi-polar world is a big aspect of Russia's strategy in this hybrid war. A larger part and far more powerful than the military operation in Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 22:54 utc | 261

I look at the SMO and it is like no other military campaign I know of. The west, Europe, fully focused on it like little children watching a tv. A distraction. Meanwhile Russia is fully focused on building the multi-polar world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 23:02 utc | 262

@ karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 22:37 utc | 259

Oh, thank you kindly. Prost. :)

Chinas 12,000+km pinpoint conventional hypersonics/ballistic missiles will turn it all into rubble the moment the key indicators trigger an assessment of imminent offensive action, IMV. Bombers no good unless 25% on constant flight rotation. old school SAC, en mass. Pearl, Guam, Diego Garcia toast, hence re-location to AU. And the Aussies are footing the entire bill, coming up on ~2Trillion including nuke powered subs, new US/UK ports/bases on E & W coasts. Very likely US will covertly station ballistic missiles Down Under IMV.

Possible first strike alternate War Plan strategy targeting China from AU, insane plausible-deniable, oh well, written off vassal, Stateside safe ... Nuts!

Neo-liberalism and deliberate de-industrialization, destruction of STEM over last 30 years, was the stake in the Vampyres heart, self-inflicted, and no amount of worthless 'script' without the RoWs 'Resources' will allow the Empire to catch up from behind, not even maintain pace as RoW moves on ... reverse cold War II ... when will Empire have it's unanticipated USSR collapse ? Events are at a rapid pace.

Did ya catch Turkiye & Egypt pull the trigger on Bosphorous & Suez Canal ? Apart from the obvious, Israel must be getting very nervous indeed ... East Med energy projects security/viability now very much in question, as well as likely growing political isolation let alone geographic ... Arab League is likely to make a comeback, re unresolved Palestine issue, methinks.

And of course Assad is still' Grinning'. ;)

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 23:06 utc | 263

Deep thoughts on the Fed put -- "the general idea that the Federal Reserve is willing and able to adjust monetary policy in a way that is bullish for the stock market."

https://scheerpost.com/2022/12/07/ellen-brown-what-does-the-feds-jerome-powell-have-up-his-sleeve/

The Fed put favors the rich – investors in the stock market, the speculative real estate market, the multi-trillion dollar derivatives market. It favors what economist Michael Hudson calls the “financialized” or “rentier” economy – “money making money,” formerly called “unearned income” – which drives up prices without adding productive value to the “real” economy. Hudson calls it a parasite, which is sucking out profits that should be going toward building more factories and other economic development.

By backstopping the financialized economy, the Fed has been instrumental in widening the income gap of the last two decades, pushing housing prices to heights that are unaffordable for first-time homebuyers, driving up rents and educational costs, and crushing entrepreneurs.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 7 2022 23:13 utc | 264

Ed @254--

In case you missed it, here's J. Fletcher Prouty's "The Guns of Dallas", which is a must read. You'll also find a link to his book, The Secret Team, and to some of his other writings archived at that site. Prouty can still teach us a lot from the grave.

PavewayIV @250--

Thank you, I have read everything that Flecher Prouty has written, and he played a big part in Oliver Stone's movie JFK. But I can't say I read this article. So, Thanks again.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 7 2022 23:26 utc | 265

Outraged | Dec 7 2022 23:06 utc | 263

Nuke missiles and nuke bombers stationed here are a done deal. Abbott misspoke on the nuke bombers and we entered into a joint development project when Trump kicked of production of intermediate range missile. The sub deal is to put a US nuclear sub base on the Indian ocean. No doubt there will be token Australian grease monkeys but it will be a US base.

Our war on China seems to rely on Taiwan but US assets were just massively voted out which is a bit of a problem for the US.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 23:32 utc | 266

You can enjoy your Guiness and garnish while I enjoy a Black Russian.
Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 7 2022 22:37 utc | 259

I am sorry Mr. Karlof1, I think I made a mistake by giving PavewayIV @250--credit for your reply to me: I am still confused actually. Please respond and clarify.

Thank You, and enjoy your Black Russian, sound delishious.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 7 2022 23:39 utc | 267

@ Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 23:32 utc | 266

Intimated earlier, am seeing an alternate Strategic WAR Plan re China being prepped using you guys as a disposable/expendable asset.

Apart from new AU northern bases/infrastructure, Tindal expansion, new E & W coasts naval ports/facilities, exclusively for maintaining/sustaining US/UK boomers & attack subs ...

From what I've read AU will be forced to pay for our expansion of nuke sub manufacturing, pay for the construction of a number of new Columbia class subs, all in advance, get nothing in return, & we'll keep the subs, thank you. See: Turkiye, thanks for the USD, & we're keeping the F35-s. Vassal is as vassal does.

NZ 'appears' to be navigating a more 'central', middle road diplomatic dance re China (Not RF). Partially hedging bets ... ?

Is there any prospect in AU, or is it still 'All the Way, with LBJ'('68(?)) in 2022 & beyond ?

AU could end up the abandoned friendless white supremacist anglo-trash pariah of Asia-Pacific when(not if) Empire falls if they stay committed ...

"Australia. We've got yer back!", not.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 0:47 utc | 268

Ed @267 - Not so fast. I don't mind the occasional credit for Karlof1's posts. In fact, I'm rather flattered - it's about time! Honestly though, I was kind of hoping there was a considerable sum of cash involved. But thanks, anyways.

Seriously though, I think you just inadvertently cut and pasted one too many lines from his post @259 in your reply to him @265.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Dec 8 2022 0:50 utc | 269

Latest by J.J.Mearscheimer

https://youtu.be/m-2Oy3MVyyA

He goes through his theory of which most of you are familiar with. He then addresses Hungarys situation in relation to the US, China and RF contests. He makes it clear exactly how ruthless the US is with numerous examples throughout the presentation.

He then addresses Hungarys position in the new geopolitical reality as he sees it. John believes we are entering the most dangerous period for the world since 1945.

Johns answer to the first question in the Q and A is brilliant.

Worth a watch.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 1:07 utc | 270

@ Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 1:07 utc | 270

Excellent link. Downloading now. Thank you.

Have been reaching, trying to get a better handle on Hungary situ re Empire/EU/NATO moving forward, given Hungary's recent Deeds & Actions throughout 2022 ... not merely words.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 1:47 utc | 271

Outraged | Dec 8 2022 0:47 utc | 268

Australia is a solid ally of the US. Rock solid. It has fought next to US in every major US war since 1945.

Australia was bombed 97 times in WW2. The first Japanese air raid of 242 planes killed hundreds in Darwin and a maritime war was running hot in northern Australian waters. Australia was under direct attack and it was the US that got us out of trouble. Australians have not forgotten that.

Australia played a vital role in the Battle of the Pacific. It's geograghic significance was pivotal to the US then and remains so to this day. That alone would ensure that the US will always honor this relationship but the alliance between the US and Australia goes much deeper than this. Australia is the 51st state in spirit.

I cannot see that changing for generations to come.

So whatever course the US chooses to take Australia will be there alongside them. It's a damn shame because US foreign policy is shambolic and dangerous.

Australia's big challenge is how to manage our relationship with China and India but our alliance with the US is going to make this difficult. One for future generations.

So yes our Alliance will stand...for a while

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 2:24 utc | 272

Peter AU1 | Dec 7 2022 23:32 utc | 266

I think the KMT winning is not quite the crushing defeat for the US you think it is Peter. The KMT is no friend of the CPC. They do however have a greater sense of the dangerous position the US has put them in.

The US will just double down. China is in for a long dirty fight with the US.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 2:34 utc | 273

@ Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 2:24 utc | 272

Am good to go with the Mil history, however ...

AU recently signed a bilateral Security Treaty with ... Japan (da Japs) ? And US/AU trying to squeeze Japan into the 'dead' QUAD ? No one minds, 'tis not an issue ?

What’s New in Australia and Japan’s Updated Joint Declaration of Security Cooperation? TheDiplomat

The document is a testament to the closer bilateral security relationship that has developed since the original declaration in 2007.

...


Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 3:03 utc | 274

Re Outraged | Dec 8 2022 0:47 utc | 268

Hiya bloke. Unfortunately there is a lot of media pressure on the current Aotearoa government, propaganda designed to cause a change of government in November 2023. I'm no supporter of the kiwi Labour Party who sold their souls more than 40 years ago, but the alternative staffed by pols who want to live up amerika's arsehole are much worse.

In fact the only good thing the current mob did was appoint indigenous kiwi Nanaia Mahuta minister of Foreign Affairs and Auputo Sio, a kiwi bloke of Samoan descent, Associate Minister. They have tried as much as they can to steer Aotearoa on a neutral path regarding China and be as luke warm as possible regarding Ukraine, without causing a colour revolution or worse here.
Two years ago Jacinda Ardern was the best thing since sliced bread in the Guardian, rated even higher than whathisname, Justin Trudeau. If you take a gander at the graun now Ardern is a loser who cannot possibly win next year - according to them.

When the labour mob last went to the polls in 2020 they pissed in, chiefly because the zero covid policy had been so successful, but now that is being used as a rod to beat them with.

There is no doubt they got sucked into the pfizer disinfo rort, but it is silly to consider that as more than naivety, as if anyone in the know on the pfizer nonsense would wise up the Aotearoa government. The number of sales was tiny on a relative scale.
However going at the government with the two pronged covid one side too soft on China other side has had some success.
Some amerikan dickhead who has no understanding of the fact that there are two, maximum 3, degrees of separation between people in Aotearoa, posted here that Ardern had a coke habit. What bollocks, pols here cannot live in an elite bubble, if she were hitting the old charley it would take about 5 minutes for the story to get out. I did note that when he was asked to provide evidence for the assertion, he didn't/couldn't.

Like I said I have no time for the faux left neo-lib labour party, but since there is a definite difference between tweedledum & tweedledee here, not just on foreign policy also on union rights, eg at long last the Labour Govt passed a bill permitting nation-wide enterprise bargaining once more, so that big workplaces can support their comrades in small shops, something the opposition has sworn to repeal 'when they win', I may actually campaign for them next year, something I haven't done since the '70s - unless they come out with some stupidly offensive policy such as deciding to increase unemployment to stop inflation or similar.
I would really go for them if they did some smart things like a price freeze on food (there is a supermarket duopoly here which is coining it from so-called inflation) or getting really smart and importing Russian crude, refining it and selling it to Australia as 'Kiwi Oil' made from crushing 50 kiwi birds for every liter of gasoline. The only oil refinery in Aotearoa is getting moth-balled at the moment, if I had a lazy 100 mill or so I'd do it meself & turn the 100 million into 1 billion.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 8 2022 3:06 utc | 275

"Navy idles ships as labour crisis hits - Otago Daily Times NZ"
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 7 2022 20:54 utc | 253

Thanks, Outraged. Your question then follows:

"Yet, can prioritize & afford to send NZ Army Training Teams to UK to train Ukrainian conscripts ?"

Indeed. Bravo to those who don't want to be part of naval shenanigans in the Pacific, I'd say. But no worries - there's a review being done, should be completed by 2024...

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2022 3:22 utc | 276

gringo bubbling over USS Gerald Ford


Huge respect to those brave men who protect our way of life

[sic]
Shade of BUsh senior.!

80% of Americans regard China as an enemy, 60% support sending troops to protect Taiwan-international

gringo have been groomed from birth in military porn, is it any wonder that they'd grow up to be war hounds, wrapping themselves in patriotism. blind jingoism ?

They catch them young...


"We need you !
Reason to join...
Lots of Bullets, bombs, breasts, bloodbaths."

https://space4peace.blogspot.com/2012/08/selling-wars-to-young.html

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 3:37 utc | 277

Debsisdead | Dec 8 2022 3:06 utc | 275

You have a bloody good turn o phrase debs. Kiwi oil... squashed kiwi birds...
We move into the era of lunacy amid the the power shift from west to east.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 3:39 utc | 278

I think the KMT winning is not quite the crushing defeat for the US you think it is Peter. The KMT is no friend of the CPC. They do however have a greater sense of the dangerous position the US has put them in.
The US will just double down. China is in for a long dirty fight with the US.
Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 2:34 utc | 273

My understanding is that the founder of KMT (and one-time dictators of Taiwan), Chiang Kai-shek never conceded his "rightful" place as ruler of all China. He never desired an independent Taiwan because to do so would concede the mainland China to the Communist. As far as I know, this is still the policy of the KTM. Although, I think recently there has been some discussion among the KTM leadership about some form of limited autonomy or self-rule.

Posted by: Ed | Dec 8 2022 3:39 utc | 279

I skim Reuters multiple times a day to see what news is from that perspective.

That said, I have yet to see any mention of Xi going to/being in Saudi Arabia for 3 days......

Does that mean it is not happening?

Are Reuters staff in Saudi Arabia covering the visit? But it is not being reported?

The revolution will not be televised....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 8 2022 3:41 utc | 280

psychohistorian | Dec 8 2022 3:41 utc | 280

The idiot childs of this western world have no understanding of what is occurring. I have zero sympathy for them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 3:49 utc | 281

@ Debsisdead | Dec 8 2022 3:06 utc | 275

Thank you kindly. Observed the not so gradual negative narrative change, assumed 'cause not being 100% on board with Empire mission of ... 'War with China'.

@ juliania | Dec 8 2022 3:22 utc | 276
@ Debsisdead | Dec 8 2022 3:06 utc | 275

Ah, 2024 :)

So ... the resignations/failed re-ups/recruiting problems, Navy patrol early recall, may be also, or at least partly, re possible objections to Asia/Pacific, regional, defense/security policies, not solely reported as a remuneration/financial prospects consideration ? Did not ring true for me the way it was reported ... hollow.

@ denk | Dec 8 2022 3:37 utc | 277


US Navy to Accept Recruits with Lowest Test Scores as Recruiting Shortfall Grows Military.com

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 3:51 utc | 282

Ed | Dec 8 2022 3:39 utc | 279

Chiang has been dead for a long time. As far as I can see the KMT are realists and have a healthy fear of the Chinese. Something they share with the majority of the Taiwanese people. Very interesting point you brought up though worthy of further readings.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 3:54 utc | 283

Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 2:34 utc | 273

My understanding is KMT wants long term reconciliation with China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 3:59 utc | 284

psychohistorian @280--

The comments cited in this GT article tell you why Reuters has its eyes and ears closed:

China emphasizes the principles of mutual respect, mutual benefits and win-win cooperation in developing ties with Saudi and development-through-peace approach in the region while the US prioritizes human rights and democracy subjects and issues diktats to Saudi and other Arabia countries, which many in the region increasingly do not tolerate, Ebrahim Hashem, a UAE strategist told the Global Times....

Instead of building relations with Arab nations based on mutual respect, trust, and benefit, some US policymakers still hold hegemonic delusions about the region, and wishfully thinking that they can issue diktats to the Arab world. “They erroneously believe that the Arab region is their playground and that they are entitled to having one-sided relations benefiting them mainly at the expense of the regional nations. The Arabs have the strategic autonomy and sovereignty to decide the extent of their relations with other nations based on their national and regional interests.” Hashem said.

IMO, too much politeness is invoked when discussing the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2022 4:14 utc | 285

Peter AU1 | Dec 8 2022 3:59 utc | 284

That is the feeling I get. They seemed to be happy with business as usual and a gradual evolution to one nation as outlined by Xi.

Interesting to see what the US does. I doubt it will be good for peace.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 4:14 utc | 286

Debisdead wrote

I would really go for them if they did some smart things like a price freeze on food (there is a supermarket duopoly here which is coining it from so-called inflation) or getting really smart and importing Russian crude, refining it and selling it to Australia as 'Kiwi Oil' made from crushing 50 kiwi birds for every liter of gasoline. The only oil refinery in Aotearoa is getting moth-balled at the moment, if I had a lazy 100 mill or so I'd do it meself & turn the 100 million into 1 billion.

+1 :)

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 4:16 utc | 287

IMO, we'll know the USA has come to its senses when it announces the USA is the #1 threat to the USA. Yes, I know Pogo said that numerous times, but he's no longer published.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2022 4:23 utc | 288

This is worth a look. The John Bonython lecture in 2010 by Niall Ferguson in Sydney, Australia.

His premise Is Empire collapse happens quickly and almost always due to a finanicial collapse. His arguments are logical, entertaining and worthy of thought.

https://youtu.be/hMpvFzg02T4

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 4:34 utc | 289


US Navy to Accept Recruits with Lowest Test Scores as Recruiting Shortfall Grows Military.com

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 3:51 utc | 282
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wHAT Happen to those gungho keyboard warriors who wanna fight the chicom to protect USAss ?

I guess they heed ole Patten's admonition well..

No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 4:43 utc | 290

denk | Dec 8 2022 4:43 utc | 290

My favourite Patton quote.

He was an arsehole but.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 4:51 utc | 291

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 4:51 utc | 291
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Legend had it THAT the old man was bumped off by CIA !

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 4:56 utc | 292

@ denk | Dec 8 2022 4:43 utc | 290

Oh, the keyboard warriors ? They got 'Cancelled' ! Army was 'concerned' about its 'reputation'. :)

The Army killed its ‘Call of Duty’ marketing blitz after the publisher was hit with sexual assault lawsuits Task&Purpose Dec0422

"I bring this to your attention because of the brand reputation issue."

The U.S. Army backed out of a major marketing deal last year with Call of Duty publisher Activision Blizzard after the company was hit with sexual assault and discrimination lawsuits, according to internal Army documents. The move came two weeks before an esports tournament the Army was set to sponsor, and was part of a planned multi-million dollar advertising effort in the video game world by the Army.

Vice’s Motherboard acquired internal documents showing the Army’s relationship with Activision Blizzard. The service had allocated millions of dollars to sponsor esports tournaments, video game influencers on Twitch and other brands, mainly through the Call of Duty video game series. That was through a $750,000 sponsorship deal with the Call of Duty League esports tournament. However, two weeks before a tournament the Army was set to sponsor, Ignatios Mavridis, the Army’s Deputy Chief Marketing officer, emailed others to cease the partnership, out of concern for for the Army’s “brand” as Activision Blizzard was hit with a series of lawsuits over sexual harassment and gender discrimination at the company.

“At this time, we intend to ‘pause all activities’ immediately with Activision due to serious allegations of sexual harassment at their workplace, and also recommended tha the Marketing Engagement Brigade not send their eSports team to the tournament,” the August 2021 email said, per Motherboard.”

...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 5:05 utc | 293


Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 5:05 utc | 293
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Those who 'cancelled' 30M civilians since WW2
feel embarrassed by some sex scandals ?

They are really full of it...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 5:19 utc | 294

Scorpion | Dec 6 2022 19:48 utc | 208

Germans have been in China for well over a century if for no other reason than to make a (D) Mark. Krupp built the world's biggest long range cannon out of their worlds best steel. First they would sell to China with range of, say, 3 miles then to Japan with range of 3.25 miles. This went on for quite some time until airplanes ruined the trade.


Very interesting statement... could you please indicate a reference?
Thank you

Posted by: marsal | Dec 8 2022 5:25 utc | 295

My fav uncle Charley quote...

As for you "love-it-or-leave-it" blockheads, you leave it and go fight instead of sending someone else if you are such grand warriors.


Fact is, I made it a template, every time some
gringo/anglo talk about the need to fight China,
I call uncle Charley out to silence the nincompoop ;-)

PS
Good men died young,.
Somebody should do an autopsy on uncle Charley !

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2001-04-22-0104210037-story.html


Signing off...

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 5:31 utc | 296

@ marsal | Dec 8 2022 5:25 utc | 295

As 'it' is unlikely to respond, & 3 miles vs 3.25 miles is apocryphal given usage of documented design schematics re 1860's+ ...

Photo of two Krupp 6 pounder mountain guns manufactured at the below arsenal. Additional abstract: Full-Link likely access restricted

Further, there was a string of modern weapon factories across the Chinese empire, such as Nanking(Nanjing) arsenal, yet the Premier was:

Jiangnan Arsenal
Chinese history
Alternate titles: Chiang-nan Ping-kung-ch’ang, Jiangnan Binggongchang, Kiangnan Arsenal
Encyclopaedia Britannica

Date:
1865 - c. 1930
Areas Of Involvement:
weapon manufacturing
Related People:
Li Hongzhang

Jiangnan Arsenal, Chinese (Pinyin) Jiangnan Binggongchang or (Wade-Giles romanization) Chiang-nan Ping-kung-ch’ang, also called Kiangnan Arsenal, in Shanghai, major Chinese centre during the 1860s and 1870s for the manufacture of modern arms and the study of Western technical literature and Western languages.

It was opened in 1865 as part of China’s Self-Strengthening movement. Begun as an ironworks base with machinery purchased from abroad, the arsenal was developed primarily by Zeng Guofan and Li Hongzhang. During the 1860s and 1870s it was the most successful arsenal in East Asia and one of the greatest in the world. Westerners were initially employed to instruct the Chinese labourers in the manufacture and use of the arms. In 1868 the Jiangnan Arsenal produced the first modern Chinese steamship. Its translation bureau, directed by the Englishman John Fryer, translated more than 160 foreign works into Chinese.

The arsenal was managed by Chinese and staffed at one time by some 3,000 Chinese workmen, who were paid four to eight times better than the average farmer or coolie labourer. In the early 20th century it gradually declined in productivity, chiefly because of apathy and incompetent leadership. The shipbuilding department became an independent boatyard in 1905, and the arsenal—renamed Shanghai Arsenal—remained in operation until the early 1930s.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 6:35 utc | 297

Eagerly awaiting B's take on Germany's big ongoing joke of a few dozens of retired losers planning to "overthrow" the current Republic. So far, the whole thing sounds like something out of the Three Stooges to me.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2022 9:54 utc | 298

Outraged | Dec 8 2022 6:35 utc | 297

Thanks very much...

Posted by: marsal | Dec 8 2022 10:21 utc | 299

Clueless Joe | Dec 8 2022 9:54 utc | 298

RE The Germans, old habits die hard

https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/germany-s-rebellions-1920s

There is a definite history of this in Germany.

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 10:27 utc | 300

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