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December 04, 2022

The MoA Week In Review - (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-216

Last week's posts on Moon of Alabama:

BBC is designating targets:

BBC News (World) @BBCWorld - 13:32 UTC · Dec 3, 2022
New images show Russian army base built in occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol


The building is a civilian hospital:
- Donbass | Medical center in Mariupol: from scratch and turnkey - in just 85 days (video) - VSK

Other issues:



Rayan Dawud @rayandawud - 16:44 UTC · Dec 3, 2022
Since @Netflix’s #farhafilm has ignited a global debate around the Nakba (catastrophe) I thought I’d share an Al Nakba 101 🧵. Context: I have a degree in Palestinian & Zionist political history. I speak Hebrew and I lived in Palestine.

Random Stuff:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread ...

Posted by b on December 4, 2022 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink

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Eagerly awaiting B's take on Germany's big ongoing joke of a few dozens of retired losers planning to "overthrow" the current Republic. So far, the whole thing sounds like something out of the Three Stooges to me.

That's exactly what it is. A bunch of naive, QAnon-like believers. Certainly not a well-armed insurgency meticulously planned.

Waiting for details to emerge whether any weapons were found, I don't expect anything major.

Just a bunch of very disappointed people, partly with a military background, with a deep-seated feeling of having been wronged in combination with a messianic hope for improvement.

Posted by: Erast Fandorin | Dec 8 2022 12:48 utc | 301

Dungroanin’ @202 main thread Dec 8th .

Re Merkel

“When she finally had to go - she was given a ‘farewell’ by the occupation controlled military forces who rubbed her nose into the shit they had planned - go back and look it up - she didn’t look happy, she looked disgusted.”

What do you mean? I did read she may have been scared for her life towards that end you mention , and I saw her shaking in her boots when she was given a turnout by the German armed forces ? with Macron. Scared? Poisoned? Or just diabetic crisis?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 13:01 utc | 302

Posted by: marsal | Dec 8 2022 5:25 utc | 295

Manchester wrote a (very long) book on the Krupps as mentioned earlier in the thread.

You can also find it on which is still up and running for now.

The world is always operating on multiple levels. On one level two opposing forces are slogging it out in the mud, butchering each other mercilessly. On an another level the fat cats in capital cities far away supposedly on one side are trading bullets to the enemy on the other side - not to mention many other layers and levels in the mix.

No doubt the same is ongoing today with covid, with the SMO, with the geopolitical shifts, all of it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 8 2022 14:01 utc | 303

I don't want to instigate a pro vs anti Trump discussion, but this article was in the footnotes of a book I'm reading by Ehret on China's demonization in Western press and psy-ops etc the past century. I'm struggling with the book. There are so many conspiratorial links made between so many different parties that am becoming resistant to reading any more. Headaches!!

Anyway, this one about Trump and China is interesting. I've had the impression that he was on board with multipolarity but was being held back by the Deep State actors who sabotaged his Presidency from Day One. This article tends to confirm that impression.

In any case, many here might enjoy harking back to the glory days of Henry Wallace, though I read years ago in supposedly released CIA transcripts from the archives that he was a paid Russian agent as were many others, that this was not just hysteria or disinformation. Have no idea of course what is true or false there. According to some FDR was a great savior fighting the Vampyres of Money etc whilst according to others he was part of the world-wide anti nation state (neobolshevik) conspiracy which may now be manifesting as the WEF and their ilk.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 8 2022 14:11 utc | 304

@ DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 12:52 utc | 211 - from Ukraine 2022-218:

All Empires were built by psychopaths in the employ of their financial Masterd and Owners. No.

Do you see? No.

Vampyres are ordinary normies(humans) like the rest of us ? No.

Vampyres are not the arch-Psychopath competing factions at the top of the pyramid, dominating their brethren peers & subordinates, then down to the minions/puppets/ventriloquists dummies/sycophants/suborned below ? Nyet.

Cannon-fodder, incapable, lowest order, disposable dog-soldier psychopaths are not the subject matter you responded too.

No, I do not see.

I've had the misfortune to interact with a number of junior, mid & high rank psychopaths over the years, executing the directives of their senior brethren. And I'll tell you now, they don't willingly submit to anyone, ever, other than a more powerful incarnation of themselves, as a matter of survival necessity, & they fvcking chaff & scheme all the way, every which way, under extreme duress whilst doing so.

The ONLY thing they actually value other than their own person, is their immediate kin & progeny, & perpetuation of themselves via such. A remnant of normies community/tribal traits perhaps. Absolutely nothing else, not money, not celebrity, possessions, other than power, control, & the dominance over other human beings that absolute power & control, within their domain, enables them, that provides 'em the visceral pleasure & satisfaction they seek.

Psychopaths, & their lesser fellow-travelers, arch-narcissists & sociopaths can spot each other in a crowd of complete strangers, naturally congregate, as non-normies.

And the Vampyres factions at the top, prefer if at all possible, to stay behind the curtain ...

Do you see ?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 14:11 utc | 305

@ Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 13:01 utc | 302

Her choice of music for the band to play shows what she thought of the ‘honour’.

The ceremony was taken over by the Nazis and is not regularly performed. It got a new lease in the noughties I think at Ramstein !
Yup the same place where the current Ukranian escapade using Nazis is being locally directed from.

Of course I may be over sensitive of its near history - as it was initially copied from a Russian military tradition! Maybe she really is secretly a Russian hating Imperial stooge and wanted to get clear of the stage before letting the dogs of war loose to preserve her reputation as a great healer and supporter of the ever closer Union that would banish the bloodthirsty history of never ending European wars …

I personally think she was the greatest European/Western leader for at least the last 50 years. A antidote to Thatcher if you will.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:16 utc | 306

I can't see her having a vision for the future. Preserving is not enough.

Posted by: Erast Fandorin | Dec 8 2022 14:24 utc | 307

CNN: USA basketball player Greiner was traded for Viktor Bout.

December 9
Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺🇺🇲⚡The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation confirms. The exchange took place at Abu Dhabi airport.

Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺⚡Russian Foreign Ministry: Bout returned to his homeland

He was arrested by CIA few years ago and is also known as "Merchant of death"

Intel Slava Z
🇺🇲⚡Biden to issue emergency address amid news of Griner's release - White House

Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺⚡️The plane with Viktor Bout will land at Vnukovo airport.

Welcome home. A very serious victory for our international diplomacy.

Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺⚡The plane with Viktor Bout landed in Moscow. This news had to wait almost 15 years.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 14:32 utc | 308

“Do you see ?
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 14:11 utc | 305”

And I think also at whoever else was interested in the topic of psychopaths and power.

I don’t think we are disagreeing much - I did come across the concept ooh probably a decade ago now when I first started to reevaluate my understanding of Money

A supposed ‘scientific’ study from the Warsaw Pact. That had been suppressed- I read as much of it online as I could before my brain started frying so have not returned to it for many years.

What do you make of the following part of a comment conversation I posted somewhere years ago :

‘To fully appreciate the City - a state within a state - one should start at the beginning as the Romans set up the trading post at the upper reaches of the tidal Thames. As it developed through history the names of its lanes and streets are a great clue to the Bankers who took over.

These bankers have been instrumental in EVERY war and imperialism since making money from every side.
They own just about everything now. But they can't STOP!
Because THEY are psychopaths.

They have systems in place that identifies young psychos and nurture them to the top to keep the plan running over the ages.

What plan?

The racist conquest of the planet.
(They forgot to ask the other races - so it has not been as easy as they thought)

HOW are they organised?
As a PATHOCRACY : “a system of government thus created, wherein a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people."
'Political Ponerology: The scientific study of Evil adjusted for Political Purposes was forged in the crucible of the very subject it studies. Scientists living under an oppressive regime decide to study it clinically, to study the founders and supporters of an evil regime to determine what common factor is at play in the rise and propagation of man’s inhumanity to man.'

This is not secret knowledge. It is not fantasy. It is history. ‘

Thoughts? 😉

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:48 utc | 309

Russia to talk with West when progressive leaders emerge — Lavrov

It was stressed that Russia "is not making a tragedy out of the current situation."

Russia will be ready to conduct a serious dialogue with Western countries when forward-thinking people rise to power there, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told the Primakov Readings forum on Wednesday.

"The West has stopped cooperating with us. It has built a wall, by and large. We simply keep in touch with those who are ready for it," Lavrov pointed out. "When and if we see that the people who have taken over in the countries and organizations, created in Europe and the United States, are able to see a little beyond two-year electoral cycles, a little deeper than the wish to send someone's son to jail or, conversely, to prove someone's incompetence but do nothing apart from that, then we will, of course, be ready for a serious conversation."


Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 14:48 utc | 310

. . .from web . .livin' in the gray zone
Iranian ship tries blinding 2 US Navy ships, gets ‘dangerously close’ to them
An Iranian military patrol boat came dangerously close to two U.S. Navy ships in international waters Monday night and apparently tried to blind them with a spotlight, according to a U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) press release.
The Iranian boat crossed within 150 yards of the U.S. ships – dangerously close, particularly at night,” CENTCOM stated. The U.S. ships used audible warnings and non-lethal lasers to end the situation and completed their routine transit without another incident, according to the press release.
“This dangerous action in international waters is indicative of Iran’s destabilizing activity across the Middle East,” said CENTCOM spokesman Col. Joe Buccino. . .here

The Strait of Hormuz is not international waters. Hormuz is an international strait covered by the territorial waters of Iran and Oman. The coastal states have sovereignty in the territorial sea.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2022 15:25 utc | 311

Scorpion | Dec 8 2022 14:01 utc | 303

thanks very much...

Posted by: marsal | Dec 8 2022 15:46 utc | 312

PATHOCRACY : “a system of government thus created, wherein a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people."

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:48 utc | 309


I thought I invented that word!
Looks like somebody beat me to it!

It even has its own website!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 8 2022 16:19 utc | 313

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power.
We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal.
We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

George Orwell in his book "1984"

From the website.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 8 2022 16:29 utc | 314

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:16 utc | 306

Thanks , Dun. I didn’t know about this at all. Haha . She made them work for their money with “time constraints” alright.

Thatcher was definitely a misanthropic crone , and Merkel is definitely better than the current crop of lickspittle faux Lefters .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 19:06 utc | 315

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2022 15:25 utc | 311

Absolutely right, the Strait is territorial waters and under International Law Centcom and its ships go through at the pleasure of those sovereign nations. Of course the US being tougher makes it an open and shut case of them lording it though when they wish. Yet the loud-mouthed American G-man should get an education or maybe he is trained to lie all the time …

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 19:11 utc | 316

Posted by: Erast Fandorin | Dec 8 2022 12:48 utc | 301
Erast Fandorin?

I love your detective capers ;)

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:48 utc | 309

Dun , I looked up the book blurb. Seems interesting and plausible. Of course, evil people love power and will try to hold on till they are executed. I couldn’t see why those Polish scientists thought the Vatican or Brzenski (sic) would help. The powerful may war amongst each other , but always stick together against the lumpenproletariat .
It was also a sad indictment -on the US- that the old man had to return to Poland -his arch nemesis -for med help ,because he could obviously not get enough in his new country . There lies the reason why the Communist regimes were tolerated ,if not outright liked ,by most people.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 19:26 utc | 317

@ DunGroanin | Dec 8 2022 14:48 utc | 309

Indeed, I don’t think we are disagreeing much - at all.

My personal realization was in observation & personal interactions with senior military command & department/executive corporate/board level, starting a little over three decades ago due a singular event, hence awakened & 'aware', recognizing others subsequently, amongst us. Much like a pernicious form of organized criminal networks, though far more destructive to society.

However, just to be very clear, am not referring to tiny hats, instead the minority subset amongst 'us' that congregate, as discussed. Their characteristics/traits, selection & grooming, enhances & reinforces individuals/groups with a well above average degree of 'survivability' & perpetuation, among the human gene pool re Darwinism, compared to the norm, IMV.

Hence why one categorizes them as, Vampyres.

My shout. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 8 2022 22:03 utc | 318

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 8 2022 3:06 utc | 275

Thanks, Dabsisdead- I didn't catch your post last night, and being out of the country had precious little to go on to answer Outraged's post, so mine was strictly surmise. When the internet first began, the Herald was the best newsplace in the world as they were seeking out articles from all over to make available to all no questions asked. That was then- way, way back then. Family used to send me 'The Listener' as well as the usual Christmas goodies.

I sense some reluctance on the part of current government as to joining gung ho Aussie westwardho-ness. Fingers crossed, but I agree the alternative is no alternative. I wonder if Ardern got a whiff of the US craziness when she last came. And by the way, the current ambassador from US, I'm rather partial to - he did well when a lowly NM congressman, even being affiliated with the nasty Dems. He comes from good stock - Stewart Udall, his Dad. He was shunted up to Senator but didn't renew his term there for whatever reason. Could have easily got the votes, so one wonders...didn't go down in my estimation, but I'm no expert, and I haven't followed him since.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2022 22:07 utc | 319

Sorry,keys a bit sticky today. Debsisdead, should have been.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 8 2022 22:08 utc | 320

They catch them young...

"We need you !
Reason to join...
Lots of Bullets, bombs, breasts, bloodbaths."

Posted by: denk | Dec 8 2022 3:37 utc | 277

VIP in fucker Carlson show...

What we need is an army full of alpha males eager to sit on a pile of chicom skulls !

To thunderous applause. !

They catch them young and teach them well.

But according to the resident misdirection agent, its the Chinese fault...again !


One aspect of the Chinese Dream piece which struck me was the naked display of nationalism. I have nothing against nationalism myself but if any Western polity embraces it they are immediately shouted down as Nazis.

So it seems the Chinese model is verboten for Westerners.

[that CPC our elites role model trope again]

THE CPC works for the people, Chinese are
justifiably proud of their country.
The USAss works for the oligarchs and foreign
tyrants against the sheeples, whats there to crow about ?

Chinese patriotism vs gringo jingoism
role model your ass stoopid

Posted by: denk | Dec 9 2022 4:03 utc | 321

role model your ass stoopid
Posted by: denk | Dec 9 2022 4:03 utc | 321

You are very agitated about this topic and my posts but I rarely can connect your reactions to what I say.

There are two things about my 'model' comments:

1. Several in the West of late have mentioned that the Chinese is a good model for others to follow and/or the Chinese model is pointing the way forward into the future. So this is not my topic, per se, it has been raised by others, most recently Schwab of the WEF though it has been a little misquoted.

2. My personal opinion is that the Western 'democratic' systems suck. Even without the huge element of corruption which has captured the polities (Deep State, oligarchs, banksters etc.) they still suck. Also, I think the larger the country, the worse these systems work. So I suspect that something more like the Chinese model will be in order. They have a professional administrative class - carrying on from the old Mandarin system going back millenia - and some sort of one party system (which I don't understand but clearly is quite different from most democratic systems). My problem with the model is that I cannot see clearly what it is because am not Chinese and China is a huge, multi-faceted polity that cannot be understood in a few articles or youtubes and I am not willing to invest much more than that.

I would be much more interested - and so would many here no doubt - if you could describe more about the Chinese system rather than getting so upset about small remarks I and others make for reasons which you don't seem to want to explain other than just venting, ranting and insulting.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 9 2022 5:47 utc | 322

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 9 2022 5:47 utc | 322

Swab this , Schwab that...
Its just the front man for the ptb...
These are the !@#$%^ that make a killing, literally, outta this engineered perfect storm while everybody suffers.
Yet you never even once mention it,
all the time pointing us the other China !

Others said it, not me

Always blame it on the 'others', do you have any independent thought of your own , why do you quote them anyway?

Schwab didnt say this btw...

The fate of America is being made in China, our role model for all things dystopian
Where China goes, the United States eventually follows. This way lies outright tyranny.

Thats really really stoopid.
Its an insult to MOA, never mind your own intelligence.

Did China teach u to kill 3000 of your own on 2001 ?

Did China lead u to attack 251 countries since WW2 ?

Did China teach u to finger your own kind for liquidation by the likes of Pinochett, Suharto...your foreign tyrant buddies ?

insult ?

Be grateful that I havent banished you into the bozo file to join anton.

Not before I thoroughly expose your misdirection shenanigan aNyway.

Posted by: denk | Dec 10 2022 3:25 utc | 323

For the record.

"I never said the Jab was "injected into the bloodstream", moron, learn to read and do rudimentary research." Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 5 2022 15:33 utc | 82

Did so: "That lung-full of possible graphene-type particulates is far less invasive than injecting that same amount into the bloodstream." —Old canadian | Nov 26 2022 12:58 utc | 326

Shoulda used single quotes, eh?

The personal attacks I can handle. The arbitrary interference with comment deletion: not.

Posted by: Laurence | Dec 12 2022 18:50 utc | 324

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