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December 29, 2022
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-236

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indian punchline from yesterday –
Russia, Iran open a trade route heralding a bloc

Posted by: james | Dec 29 2022 17:06 utc | 1

If you read through the Great Reset website, the related essays and book, you will come across an idea which has come to be synonymous with The Great Reset: Stakeholder Capitalism–which is all about equity, inclusion, and anti-racism. Being good stewards of the environment, stopping climate change, and other words meant to make them look good is what it’s all about. It’s most definitely not about “creating a worldwide enforcement system funded by the richest and most powerful capitalists in the world to make themselves richer and more powerful.” From The Great Reset (or else)

Posted by: kana | Dec 29 2022 17:34 utc | 2

„Medvedev’s low key meeting with Xi Jinping some days ago signals introduction of Medvedev as the successor to Putin“
Poinit is rather:
Is Medved good or bad for Russia?
I remember reading threads here labeling Medved as an 5D Column liberal western camelion.

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 17:53 utc | 3

„Drones re launched by sabotage groups operating in russia“
„They re designed to undermine the faith in russias security“
„The claim of 600km is generated by ukrops chanels to increase the propoganda element.“
So the huge heavy monster drone attacked Engels has been launched by sabotage groups inside Russia?
Yeah right dream on ))))))

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 17:59 utc | 4

So from what I understand, here is what happened in Kosovo in the last hours:
– the government in Pristina sacked the local administrations of Serbian areas of Kosovo and put ethnic albanians in charge;
– one of the first measures enacted was to remove all serbian symbols from public buildings;
– in protest, serbians put barricades to block access to serbian villages to albanian officials;
– EU officials quickly condemned the move and endorsed Pristina’s (illegal) move to send troops to the ethnic serbian areas;
– Serbia’s Vucic declared that this would not stand and formally requested an increase of Serbia’s forces in the area to 1000;
– NATO (obviously) denied the request;
– Vucic put Serbian armed forces in a state of combat readiness and declared that they were going there nonetheless as they are entitled to do according to the peace treaty;
– EU ministers reportedly sent a 24h ultimatum to Vucic to have the ethnic serbian stand down, or else;
– Vucic went to the ethnic serbian communities to talk to them;
– They are now removing barricades and the Serbian army is standing down.
Am I missing anything? From my point of view it looks like the Kosovo Serbs just got dumped by Serbia.

Posted by: Lemming | Dec 29 2022 18:55 utc | 5

Kidnapped Venezuelan envoy Alex Saab lost the first round of his legal battle in a Florida courtroom when the judge ruled that he had no diplomatic immunity, in part because Venezuela’s government is not “legitimate”. Analysis of this and other questionable assertions regarding international protocols which inform this ruling:
https://orinocotribune.com/us-justice-system-trashes-diplomatic-immunity-rules-against-alex-saab-defense-working-on-appeal/
Saab’s legal team will appeal. The case represents a window to the actual functioning of the “rules-based order”.

Posted by: jayc | Dec 29 2022 18:56 utc | 6

Posted by: Lemming | Dec 29 2022 18:55 utc | 5
Vucic is a traitor!
Whats happening now is only Kabuki theater for the serbian sheeps. Vucic the serbian clown is now acting holywood style wannabe hero „i ve tried everything!“
In reality behind the scenes he has signed the capitulation for Kosovo same like Milosevic did with Krajina.
Krajina 2.0 or Dayton 2.0
Soon u ll see columns of serbian leaving Kosovo.
The anti serbian matrix is coming to an end

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 19:34 utc | 7

Posted by: Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 19:34 utc | 7
> Vucic is a traitor!
Aw c’mon man, reuse kvachkes from your yummy moniker to render the name of Our President properly!

Posted by: hopehely | Dec 29 2022 19:44 utc | 8

US intelligence head Avril Haines and the UK’s GCHQ head Jeremy Fleming saying how they managed to fool the West on the war narrative, but the rest of the world isn’t so stupid to believe it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64111622

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 29 2022 19:49 utc | 9

US RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft in close call with Chinese J-11 jet.
https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1608534623184908288
That’s a trade I would gladly takes as the Chinese and proceed to blame the heck out of the US air force.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 29 2022 20:09 utc | 10

Literally bumped into some Russians (or maybe Ukrainians, both embassies are not all that far away) today on public transport, or rather one of them bumped into me because the driver was a bit sharp on the brakes 🙂
They were in high holiday spirits and very likeable carrying slalom skis heading towards somewhere not too far away (I suppose; I don’t ski myself) and it was a pleasure simply to hear/witness happy Russian-speaking people.
I didn’t eavesdrop, nor would it help if I did, but I picked up on an occasional “davoi” (lol) and to me that is automatically Russian XD
Anyway no matter who or what; they were in a very good mood and it was a bright ray of sunshine.
That’s how the world should be!

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 29 2022 20:20 utc | 11

@ 9
from the BBC, some jokes from CIA’s Haines:

“One of their main narratives is that the United States is provoking this conflict, and that Nato and Ukraine are setting the conditions and threatening Russia and that sort of forced them into this position,” she told Sir Jeremy.
“Authoritarian states have this kind of asymmetric advantage where they’re effectively controlling the information to their populations.” . . .here

. . .as if the western media has all sorts of opinions, anti-Russia, pro-Russia, neutral. . .NOT. It’s fully controlled here Avril, just ask Assange. Meanwhile Haines is echoing her neighbors over at State regarding naughty foreigners and their “disinformation.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 29 2022 20:50 utc | 12

Republicofscotland | Dec 29 2022 19:49 utc | 9
“Washington and London took the unusual step of publicising their knowledge of Russia’s plans ahead of its invasion.” (from your bbc link)
“i’ll not believe a madman till i see his brains.”
lol. the taliban might have taken a top US military/intelligence/politico official and blown his brains out in front of the world for all to see, after asking him, “why didn’t you see this coming?” americans love executing retards, imprisoning minors and children, no doubt because of their family values, so it might have been a welcome sight. to encourage others. “let’s have an object lesson in the value of intelligence.” BLAM, the CIA director’s brains splatter against the wall and the world cries “hallelujah”. (i know, dream on).
does “russia must be broken” Lindsay “brokeback” Graham deserve a fair trial, since when he breathes, he calls for the state murder of people who cannot speak for themselves? love is a battlefield, lindsay. try not to forget it. people who love russia might not ask permission from such an overcompensating power bottom as senator graham cracker. since they cannot speak, they may say, “speak, hands, for me.” not that i am advocating such but fuck lindsay graham. and the whole US death state. if russian superweapons weren’t themselves a bunch of childish wish fulfillment, who could possibly cry anything but “hallelujah” if putin hypersoniced to death every member of the western ruling class? who in the world wouldn’t rejoice?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 29 2022 21:31 utc | 13

Re:
“indian punchline from yesterday –
Russia, Iran open a trade route heralding a bloc
Posted by: james | Dec 29 2022 17:06 utc | 1”
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Read my former professor Kent Calder’s 2019 book, “Super Continent: The Logic of Eurasian Integration” (Stanford University Press). For TL;DR folks, Columbia prof and Sinologist Andrew Nathan’s brief review/summary of the book, in FA, follows:
“This book is the definitive statement of Calder’s long-standing thesis that technological and economic changes are integrating the Eurasian “super continent,” as foreseen over a century ago by the British strategist Halford Mackinder. Beneath the churn of political events, this integration is driven not only by the familiar dynamics of globalization but also by such less noted factors as the growing efficiency of transport logistics and the digitization of customs procedures. U.S. pressure on China and Russia is pushing the two countries together, and complementary economic strengths are drawing Germany closer to China. China is promoting integration through its Belt and Road Initiative, seeking to aid its giant state-owned enterprises, which are desperate to reach beyond their saturated home market. Integration could be slowed by an economic crisis or an ethnoreligious conflict in China or by ambivalence in other countries about Chinese influence, but it would take a cataclysm to stop it. Calder thinks that China will seek not U.S.-style hegemony but a new kind of influence in which the benefits of integration are more widely distributed among countries, which he labels “distributive globalism.” If so, he recommends that the United States cooperate with countries such as India and Japan, and even to some extent with China, to promote pluralism within the zone of Chinese influence.”

Posted by: Yashuo | Dec 29 2022 21:37 utc | 14

Posted by: Yashuo | Dec 29 2022 21:37 utc | 14
«this integration is driven not only by the familiar dynamics of globalization but also by such less noted factors as the growing efficiency of transport logistics and the digitization of customs procedures.»
The problem remains that *currently* transport of goods by rail is ten times more expensive, end-to-end, than by ship. Thus USA Navy control of all principal sea routes is really important, and it was planned by the Council for Foreign Relation in 1941 under the project “War And Peace Studies”.
It is possible to do coastal shipping among several parts of the eurasian continents, but not long distance. The USA has as to thin enormous advantages, as the Americas have very long uninterrupted east and west coastlines, and the Mississippi river basi, and the Great Lakes system, are enormous. Europe has the Rhine and the Danube, Russia has the Volga (and some much bigger ones that unfortunately go to the artic), south-east Asia has the Mekong, China has 3 big rivers; but they are mostly internal rivers of one country or group, often not very suitable for inter-country transport.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 29 2022 22:19 utc | 15

Andrew Nathan’s brief review/summary of the book, in FA:
China is promoting integration through its Belt and Road Initiative
The “Road” part of BRI is pretty much dead: it was based largely on a link between PRC and EU via the RF, and that link is gone, as a consequence of the boycotts of the RF. The PRC are trying to replace it with a link via a more southern route, e.g. Kazakhstan-Caspian-Azerbajan-Turkey, or the ancient “Silk Road”, Iran-Iraq-Syria, but it is a lot more difficult. They are also trying the “shortcuts” via the ports of Sittwe (Myanmar) and Gwadar (Pakistan) and may try the neighbouring port of Chahbahar (Iran), but while the avoid the route via Malacca, they have other issues (and the USA Navy still control the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and the Cape route and Gibraltar).
Calder thinks that China will seek not U.S.-style hegemony but a new kind of influence in which the benefits of integration are more widely distributed among countries, which he labels “distributive globalism.” If so, he recommends that the United States cooperate
Why would the USA elites cooperate in distributing the benefits of globalism from themselves to other countries? They will oppose that by any means for as long as they can. “Winners do whatever it takes”.
with countries such as India and Japan, and even to some extent with China, to promote pluralism within the zone of Chinese influence.
My impression is that currently the USA elites have chosen to contain (surround, isolate, breakup) the PRC, recreating the split between the first-world (the “golden billion”), the second-world (RF, PRC and allies, this time with PRC as the leading state), and the third-world, mostly as before USA-aligned, by hook or by crook.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 29 2022 22:34 utc | 16

It is possible to do coastal shipping among several parts of the eurasian continents, but not long distance.
Posted by: Blissex | Dec 29 2022 22:19 utc | 15
How does coal from Kazakhstan and western Siberia find its way to China (or to central Europe)? Railroads.
USA is a continental country, if smallish on Eurasian scale, 40% of internal cargo traffic (ton x mile) goes by track, 27% by rail, water under 8%. On longer distances, sea transportation is cheaper per mile, but from Russia to northern Iran, with Tehran and Tabriz, Caspian + rail combination is a winner, and perhaps it makes a sufficient shortcut that it could be a winner for Russian-Indian trade, provided an upgrade of Iranian railroads: a shortcut from train to Novorossiysk, ship through Black Sea, Turkish straights, Mediterranean, Suez Canal, Red Sea, Arabian Sea replaced by train/barge to Astrakhan, ship to Iran, train to Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 29 2022 22:41 utc | 17

The German Greens have descended to this:

The Russian news agency TASS has published an analysis of the German government’s energy policy, which contains interesting facts and addresses interesting topics. For example, the fact that the planned German LNG terminas can only replace just under half of the gas that recently came to Germany via Nord Stream 1 is hardly discussed in the German media. This does not even include the fact that Germany has also purchased gas via the Yamal pipeline, which runs through Belarus and Poland to Germany, and has not been supplying gas for almost a year because Poland has blocked it. And it is not included that Nord Stream 2 was built to meet the expected increase in demand for gas, which is needed, for example, for the electricity for the electric cars that are massively advertised.
This raises the question of how the missing electricity should be produced in the future. And at reasonable prices.
The fact that the LNG terminals are also extremely dirty is not discussed in the German media. For example, the floating terminal, which just opened off Wilhelmshaven, will discharge 178 million cubic meters of toxic substances, including chlorine and other chemicals, into the North Sea.
But the Greens are very enthusiastic about it. And they prefer to conceal this from their voters.

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/wie-die-deutsche-regierung-ohne-russisches-gas-auskommen-will/
How they hate the Russians…:(

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2022 22:59 utc | 18

In a few years Ukraine rail networks will be linked to the Belt and Road arteries flowing through Russia. Then there will be multiple channels for freight to enter europe regardless of the Polish/German intransigence and vassal pandering to the USA.
In the meantime freight deliveries will utilise exiting rail, maritime and air transport where available. The value of Ukraine as a link or an obstruction to belt and road is obvious.
Will the rest of europe see and seize the benefits of eurasian cooperation?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2022 23:14 utc | 19

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 29 2022 22:41 utc | 17
«How does coal from Kazakhstan and western Siberia find its way to China (or to central Europe)? Railroads.»
The problem remains that *currently* transport of goods by rail is ten times more expensive, end-to-end, than by ship.
Indeed some railroad transport can be done economically. There have been trains from Wuhan to Brest to Duisburg, for example, but these have become impossible:
https://railway-news.com/db-cr-deepen-relationship/
«from Russia to northern Iran, with Tehran and Tabriz, Caspian + rail combination is a winner, and perhaps it makes a sufficient shortcut that it could be a winner for Russian-Indian trade»
The big deal the USA elites want to stop is PRC-EU trade, not RF-IU trade. For the latter the obvious route would be to Chabahar,
«
ship through Black Sea, Turkish straights, Mediterranean, Suez Canal, Red Sea, Arabian Sea replaced by train/barge to Astrakhan, ship to Iran, train to Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea.»
All these are controlled by the USA Navy etc.

Posted by: Blissex | Dec 29 2022 23:16 utc | 20

FAKE UKRAINE
Russian soldiers shoot up family with four children in Makeyevka
REALITY
Russian military did not commit this crime. Three locals have been detained, caught by the security forces They have pleaded guilty. The purpose of the family’s murder was robbery.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Dec 29 2022 23:25 utc | 21

China explores the china shop and treads warily:

Three islands in the Persian Gulf
During the widely-publicized visit, a joint statement by the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) and China sparked controversy in Iran as it touched on the country’s proverbial red lines.
Among other sensitive issues, the statement appeared to support the UAE’s long-standing demand for the “resolution of the dispute” over the three Persian Gulf islands of Greater Tunb, Lesser Tunb, and Abu Musa, much to the chagrin of Tehran.
The statement also emphasized the need to strengthen cooperation to “ensure the peaceful nature of the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program,” called on Iran to “maintain the non-proliferation regime,” and stressed “respect for the principles of good-neighborliness and non-interference in the internal affairs of states.”
The statement was loaded – diplomatically speaking – with language normally attributable to Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) attitudes toward Iran, and experts wondered whether Beijing had even read it before signing off.
The GCC, led by Saudi Arabia, has a long-running feud with the Islamic Republic, mostly rooted in geopolitical rivalry, but China’s apparent endorsement of the six-member bloc’s hostile stance towards Iran was not taken lightly in Tehran.
Iran responds
Without missing a beat, Iranian foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian countered that the disputed islands are “inseparable parts of the pure land of Iran and belong to this motherland forever,” in a 10 December retort.
He also emphasized that the Islamic Republic will not allow any country to disrespect its territorial integrity, in a tweet posted in Chinese and clearly directed at Beijing.
Mohammad Jamshidi, the deputy chief of staff for political affairs at the Iranian president’s office, was more blunt in his reaction the same day, minus the usual diplomatic niceties.
“A reminder to colleagues in Beijing. While Saudi along with the US backed ISIS/Al-Qaeda in Syria and brutalized Yemen, Iran fought terrorist groups to restore regional stability and security and to prevent the spread of insecurity toward both the east and the west,” he wrote on Twitter.

From the Cradle.
https://thecradle.co/Article/Analysis/19857

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2022 23:37 utc | 22

Blissex #20

«ship through Black Sea, Turkish straights, Mediterranean, Suez Canal, Red Sea, Arabian Sea replaced by train/barge to Astrakhan, ship to Iran, train to Persian Gulf or Arabian Sea.»
All these are controlled by the USA Navy etc.

‘Controlled’? Or so the USA pretends. That is yet to be tested and the rest of europe and eurasia has an interest in any naval shenanigans in those seas.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2022 23:44 utc | 23

apologies for the formatting, just children and trash was supposed to be black

Posted by: glupi | Dec 30 2022 0:09 utc | 24

I think it is ridiculous to suggest, as b has done in several posts, that the Americans and NATO are running out of ammunition to send into the Ukraine. They will never run out of ammunition, and if production slacks, they will find a way to produce more.
I always root for the underdog, and Russia is very obviously the underdog in the Ukrainian conflict. When things started in February, I looked at a map and compared the total population and land area controlled by the Russian and Ukrainian states to get a sense of who would have the advantage in an all out war between the two. Russia obviously outmatches the Ukraine, but I was comparing Russia to the wrong country.
The Russian Federation is in the exact position that the United States wants: fighting a war on it’s own land against it’s own people. The fact that Ukraine exists as a separate state from Russia and is mobilized against it is one of the greatest tragedies for the Russian people.

Posted by: DeathToAmerica | Dec 30 2022 0:19 utc | 25

@25 “They will never run out of ammunition, …”
But they may run out of enthusiasm. For Russia this conflict is existential. For the US/NATO it’s about ‘freedom and democracy’ or whatever slogan the MSM can come up with to keep the population interested.

Posted by: dh | Dec 30 2022 0:31 utc | 26

PressTV.ir:
Russia to provide Iran with dozens of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets ‘in near future’
* https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/12/28/695278/Russia-to-provide-Iran-with-dozens-of-Sukhoi-Su-35-fighter-jets-%E2%80%98in-near-future%E2%80%99
Apparently it is 24 out of the 48 SU-35s that were intended to be sold to Egypt, a purchase blocked by Washington. Their production was launched in May 2020:
* https://tass.com/defense/1157115
One article said the other 24 might follow and that Moscow has been careful not to step on western and Israeli toes regarding the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JPCOA), which Washington withdrew from in May 2018:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
It is strange how Moscow up until today has refused strategic partners as Iran, and still does so with North Korea. Just think of the owner of Wagner who just recently was accused for conducting business with Pyongyang and who (almost) vehemently denied it instead of seeing and embracing the common position.

Posted by: rockwool99 | Dec 30 2022 0:33 utc | 27

Several references to US “control” of the high seas and key shipping routes.
Several avenues of response. One concerns theory versus practice.
For instance, for the US Navy to intercept a Russian ship (or 3rd country flagged ship whose last port of lading was in Russia) transporting grain/goods/fertilizer/arms whatever to, say, India, would constitute quite a dramatic escalation of hostilities, and would allow Russia to say, “well, two can play at that game”. So I don’t see it happening anytime soon, but with the “crazies in the basement” now in the White House, you never know. Anything’s possible with that lot.
No one’s claiming that maritime transport isn’t still dominant. At over 80% global market share of goods trade by volume (higher for developing countries), it clearly is. But the gradual increase in non-oceans based multi-modal transport for goods and fuels (oil/pipeline gas) within/across Eurasia, together with new routes such as the Northern Sea Route, will continue to grow.
Nation-states are concerned with security of all kinds, including food security, energy security, and bio-security. They are also concerned with their sovereignty (simply put, acting in accordance with their perceived national interests without being bullied and threatened with sanctions, or their goods being intercepted/sunk in the high seas, or central bank funds/gold being confiscated). So they will move to on-shore to the extent they can, become more efficient re: food/agriculture, move towards more regional trade and “friend-shoring” and “near-shoring”, develop more robust and independent payments and clearing systems, invest more in biodefense/biosecurity, among many other things.
Using/creating new land and non-ocean maritime transportation routes is but one of a number of specific, concrete actions (real, measurable outcomes: reduction of # of days to transport from 45 to 25 (St. Pete to Mumbai) in this regard. One should not look at this in isolation, but think of it as one incremental action. Over the next 75-80 years, there could be hundreds/thousands of such actions across sectors/domains that aid a country in enhancing its security and sovereignty. The leadership of each individual country will determine what combination of actions serves its interests the best.

Posted by: Yashuo | Dec 30 2022 0:39 utc | 28

Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 19:41 utc | 85 (previous thread)
Ćevapčići | Dec 29 2022 17:53 utc | 3
Medvedev:
Was indeed so enamoured of the West, he was almost a 5th columnist. Deeply infatuated.
But like spurned lovers from time immemorial, he is now bitter, resentful and predisposed to “revenge”.
Among so many “it coulda been different”, the West can look at Medvedev and think: if only we hadn’t cuckolded him with Georgia. …(2008: Saakashvili,M with tie. Oil on canvas)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 30 2022 0:39 utc | 29

Peter AU1 | Dec 29 2022 17:25 utc | 55 (previous thread)
Amusing anecdote ~ (pertaining to abandoned liquorice allsorts IFV littering Ukraine) and the ubiquitous challenges of maintenance of all large machinery…
Tagline:
“Mate saves 20k, I get a packet of peanuts and all is good.
Thanks Peter. You old “monkey(wrench)”….Needed a chuckle.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 30 2022 0:44 utc | 30

Why would the road portion be dead? Road is far less efficient than rail and that was a big part of the BRI. Rail is the main artery with road doing the “last mile”. And overland trade to Europe is dead. It can still terminate at the Azov or Black Sea for further transport on. Whether Europe is still a worthwhile market when all this is done is the real question. If it is, transit from Russia to Europe will be made possible.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 30 2022 0:50 utc | 31

@22 uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2022 23:37 utc
Thank you for that story. Lots of treading softly in that china shop, and nothing broken it appears. China “corrected” its “mistake” says Tehran.
I must say when I read the statement initially it seemed like a lot of fawning on Saudi Arabia by China. Hard to understand, except as a supreme effort to bring KSA over to the Chinese side – but you would think bin Salman would already be straining at the leash to do that anyway.
In attempting, perhaps, not to ruffle proud feathers in KSA, Xi stirred up hornets in Iran. One hopes it will be all better.
~~
On China, the Global South has published a machine translation that reads very well from a Russian analyst detailing in many ways the resolve and readiness of China to go to war as the situation warrants:
Pentagon theorists predict scenarios
The title is misleading, since the article merely opens with a synopsis of the latest RAND view, before moving on to the real meat: the readiness of China, different from but equal to that of Russia, if push comes to shove. As I commented over there, these are aspects of China’s position and policy that desperately need to be understood better by westerners.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 30 2022 0:55 utc | 32

@ DeathToAmerica | Dec 30 2022 0:19 utc | 25
I think it is ridiculous to suggest, as b has done in several posts, that the Americans and NATO are running out of ammunition
Apparently you were mistaken by sarcasm when taking this statement seriously.
After having run out of missiles, the Russian military today fired another round of them at Ukrainian energy facilities.
Previously b published many of the false claims, many from months ago, that Russia is running out of missiles.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 30 2022 0:56 utc | 33

Republicofscotland | Dec 29 2022 19:49 utc | 9
The BBC UK’s GCHQ head Jeremy Fleming “guest” [can you be a guest in a property you own???] and US intelligence head Avril Haines…
Was cited also in the previous thread..
“…they say they managed to fool the west on the war narrative, but not The Rest”.
Yeah, but they didn’t “fool” the West.
They played us as fools, but they “won” the war narrative by a totalitarian blockout of any and all, even slightly competing information so severe it’d make Stalin blush.
“The Rest” remained “unfooled” because they had access to more information options… Turkey, for instance. Africa. China. Central Asia.
Ironically and laughably….. it’s probably the Russian Joe Public who have the most complete and varied information buffet.
Western media is not blockaded from them….. they can access CNN, see firsthand Lindsay Graham calling for the assassination of Putin and annihilation of the Russian state…
Entrenched Soviet cynicism means Putin knows his best strategy is to speak the truth…. transparency and a good facsimile of honesty in a politician is so shocking … it’s almost unprecedented.. even revolutionary..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 30 2022 1:07 utc | 34

@34 Which is no doubt what Maria Zakharova meant when answering the question about whether it was possible to break the information blockade of the West, “I can tell you that the West ‘blew up’ on its propaganda.”
Only Western idiots believe their own lies. (thank you Karlof1 for the transcript)

Posted by: dh | Dec 30 2022 1:32 utc | 35

Boy! Am I thrilled?! I’ve just seen my first UFO a few minutes before midday today AEDST. It’s bright and sunny with no clouds. The UFO took the form of two very bright, very white lights about the same distance apart, and configuration as if aircraft had a white headlight and tail light. However, neither light changed intensity from aproach to departure. There was an old biplane in the sky when the UFO appeared, flying a similar course but much higher and faster. And silent.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 30 2022 1:35 utc | 36

Hoarsewhisperer #36
Thank you for sharing the peyote experience at the bar.
I’ll shout you an absinthe.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2022 1:42 utc | 37

And the annual photo of Rod Stewart’s family finally showed up! I was starting to get worried.

Posted by: dh | Dec 30 2022 1:47 utc | 38

Explosive report @ ZH citing Bloomberg at link
SBF Was Meeting With Senior White House Officials Shortly Before FTX Collapse

FTX founder and accused crypto-crook Sam Bankman-Fried met with senior White House officials on at least four occasions in the months leading up to his firm’s massive implosion, Bloomberg reports.
LINK

Why the surprise?
Bankman had to share a heads-up. We are going to; and there is no other option but to unplug the laundromat.
How does one keep track of 100 companies?
A Sam Bankman-Fried Company that Was Not in Bankruptcy Has Gone Poof; Regulators Are Drawing a Dark Curtain
LINK

Posted by: Likklemore | Dec 30 2022 2:05 utc | 39