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December 16, 2022
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-226
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Question: what may one reasonably expect KSA to do? Which camp will they choose? China and SCO is the up and coming power, the U.S. and the rest of the west, big consumers/customers with lots of guns. Huge implications. Russia, Iran, and Venezuela (huge production potential) already fully in the one camp. I wonder exactly how vulnerable/secure/independent crown prince really is? Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Dec 16 2022 16:27 utc | 1 I suspect that if the SCO can work out some kind of agreement between KSA and Iran, then KSA would lean more to the East. Posted by: Leroy | Dec 16 2022 16:38 utc | 2 “The United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) has adopted a resolution declaring that Syrians and Palestinians have sovereignty over their natural resources in the Israeli-occupied tracts of land in the strategic Golan Heights and the West Bank, including East al-Quds. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 16 2022 17:02 utc | 3 WASHINGTON — German government leaders on Wednesday announced a deal to buy 35 F-35 fighter jets from the United States, a package pegged at $8.4 billion by the Pentagon in its offer from the summer. =$240m each, four for a billion Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2022 17:03 utc | 4 re: USGA resolutions against Israel Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2022 17:09 utc | 5 USA wants Aussie pilot extradited to the US for training Chinese pilots, Aussie cops arrest the pilot in Australia at the request of chiefs at US spy base in Australia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Dec 16 2022 17:09 utc | 6
From the article: Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 17:17 utc | 7 That would be 25 hours per month, roughly six hours per week.
ref: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57966 Posted by: too scents | Dec 16 2022 17:21 utc | 8 From the department of good deeds leading nowhere… Posted by: David Levin | Dec 16 2022 18:58 utc | 9 Posted by: Leroy | Dec 16 2022 16:38 utc | 2:
KSA just now leaning? Judging from Xi’s visit, they are bundling themselves to the B&R freight train, Uncle Sam be damned. But their membership in SCO is not a done deal. UAE has territorial disputes with Iran, the three islands in the Persian Gulf. The China-Arab Joint Communique seem to paint China as favoring the Arabs, which Iran is taking issue with. The ultimate destination of KSA’s political leaning is yet to be observed. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 16 2022 19:06 utc | 10 “…Eight member states, namely Canada, Chad, Israel, the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and the United States, voted against, and there were 10 abstentions.” Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 19:10 utc | 11 For a good read on the point that I made in #10 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 16 2022 19:06 utc |, see Bhadrakumar’s article in the link below: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 16 2022 19:12 utc | 12 Here’s a link for Finn Cunningham interview of Former senator for Virginia. He feels the war against Russia is revenge for the war in Syria which Russia is helping Assad. Posted by: Jaz | Dec 16 2022 19:23 utc | 13 “The move sets a dangerous precedent at a time when journalists all over the world are facing censorship, physical threats and even worse,” Dujarric told reporters. Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 16 2022 19:34 utc | 14 a “treat to national security”. Posted by: too scents | Dec 16 2022 19:45 utc | 15 The oxymoron of the day from Reuters Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 16 2022 20:00 utc | 16 Happy Friday everyone! Here’s one of my fave music videos. I finally got around to translating the many Russian comments and was surprised this song sung in English was played every morning in Siberia during the early 80’s. Don’t need to understand the words to appreciate the beautiful voice. Can someone please alert Andrei Martyanov to this, I think he’ll love it Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Dec 16 2022 20:03 utc | 17 I am posting psychohistorian’s reply to my query on the previous open thread, with thanks. Unfortunately I am going to be quite busy today, so will leave it here, perhaps until after the weekend. This will give me time to think, plus I hope come up with a reasonable response. Posted by: juliania | Dec 16 2022 20:06 utc | 18 Have been spending some time researching the recent shooting in Queensland. There has been much Murdoch style infotainment in the media plus a few things police were saying weren’t adding up. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 16 2022 20:37 utc | 19 @Opport Knocks 7 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 16 2022 20:47 utc | 20 In 2009 European Union issued a set of laws, commonly called “Third Energy Package”. Some parts of these laws seem made especially against Russia. The end result was that Gazprom would only be able to use half the capacity of the pipeline from Russia to Germany. So, if anyone says EU sanctions began in 2021, “after Russia invaded Ukraine”: no, the economic war began in 2009. Posted by: Passerby | Dec 16 2022 20:49 utc | 21 Meanwhile the might Germany weaponizes Jackson-Wenik! Posted by: Arioch | Dec 16 2022 20:53 utc | 22 @psychohistorian
If you imagine that you see any other more fundamental role for the world’s many religions, you are deluding yourself. Posted by: Hermit | Dec 16 2022 20:55 utc | 23 I am not saying the following is the case, I’m only saying it’s getting really weird and that all sensible explanations are beginning to seem lacking —to me at least. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 16 2022 21:04 utc | 24
Gazprom and Russia are not stupid. That is precisely what Gazprom got 5 major European Corporations to invest in 50% of the capital expense for NS2. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 21:09 utc | 25 Counterpunch gets a lot of hate here lately, primarily due to their TDS during the time of Trump, but as b has recently linked an article there, and I’ve observed a marked improvement in their writing, I figured I’d post this bit about the criminality of the corporate executive class.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 21:19 utc | 26 Tom_Q_Collins@26 Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 21:40 utc | 27 @tom Posted by: Vikichka | Dec 16 2022 21:48 utc | 28 Video of the recent crash of an F-35B in Ft Worth here . . . scroll down. Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2022 21:49 utc | 29 Fyodor Lukyanov: As the EU calls Serbia’s bluff on Kosovo, has ‘the end of history’ arrived in the Balkans? Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 16 2022 22:07 utc | 30 #29 Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Dec 16 2022 22:08 utc | 31 bevin | Dec 16 2022 19:10 utc | 11 Posted by: cirsium | Dec 16 2022 22:12 utc | 32 @Tom_Q_Collins 26 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 16 2022 22:14 utc | 33 @ Nathan in WA US | Dec 16 2022 22:08 utc | 31 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2022 22:15 utc | 34
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 22:29 utc | 35 Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 21:40 utc | 27 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:38 utc | 36 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 16 2022 22:14 utc | 33 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:43 utc | 37 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 16 2022 22:14 utc | 33 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:45 utc | 38 Opport Knocks | Dec 16 2022 22:29 utc | 35 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 16 2022 22:47 utc | 39 As a side note to the comment addressed to Hermit, someone commented at Levine’s Substack and asked about Bandera, Nazis and their role in propagating the Holodomor myth. Notably, that person(Mango M3 Huffy) was the only one Yasha didn’t “like” or respond to….I wonder why… LOL Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:51 utc | 40 so the employees don’t go on strike, the customers don’t boycott and the shareholders don’t fire them. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 23:02 utc | 41 Aquarium in Germany has shattered.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 16 2022 23:05 utc | 42 RE: CEO “compensation” – https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/
I’ve also seen studies that show average or below average performing* CEOs are often way overcompensated while good performing CEOs lag behind in compensation. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 23:07 utc | 43 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:43 utc | 37 Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 16 2022 23:11 utc | 44 In her weekly briefing yesterday, Maria Zakharova provided an interesting answer to a question about the Kosovo crisis. She was later asked a follow up question. I’ll provide both below:
Now that’s a very curious revelation. Surely the UN and UNSC was used as a tool via Outlaw US Empire lies, blackmail and the usual corruption, but a concerted, overt attempt to disband the UN is news to me. Here’s the follow up Q&A:
Zakharova really doesn’t need to confirm the Minsk ruse is being employed again as that’s quite obvious. Will Serbia stand for it, or after the UNSC meeting will it move forward and deploy its security forces as it should? If Serbia asks Russia for help, Russia must act decisively and boldly as NATO must be defeated in Serbia and the Kosovo bandits driven back to Albania and other points of origin. cirsium@32 Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 23:15 utc | 46 or you could go back to Truman, who fired Wallace, or the democratic party honchos who pushed Truman when the voters preferred Wallace. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 16 2022 23:18 utc | 47 Thank you Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 16 2022 22:38 utc | 36, for your correction to my comment. As you say that lets St Clair off the hook. There are plenty more. Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 23:22 utc | 48 Corporate “journalists”{stenographers} are having an industry-wide conniption because Elon suspended the accounts that were posting real time tracking of his location (some accounts were associated with the attack on a car transporting his youngest child, other accounts were retweeting..)… Posted by: Melaleuca | Dec 16 2022 23:28 utc | 49 …If I had a twitter, I’d tweet Posted by: HOBO 3 | Dec 16 2022 23:39 utc | 50 Who ate all the chips? Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 16 2022 23:45 utc | 51 The “United” Nations are no longer united for these ends: Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 17 2022 0:15 utc | 52 @pretzelattack – Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2022 0:22 utc | 53 Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2022 23:22 utc | 48 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 17 2022 0:24 utc | 54 RIP Zero Covid Posted by: Walt | Dec 17 2022 1:04 utc | 55 Highly recommended: David Sant ( a name unknown to me) on the war between the Empire and Russia. Posted by: bevin | Dec 17 2022 1:11 utc | 56 Below is a Reuters posting title showing past values versus reality in financialized America Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 1:18 utc | 57 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 17 2022 1:23 utc | 58 Also at The Saker: An interview with the most important public intellectual in the world today, Michael Hudson. Posted by: bevin | Dec 17 2022 1:34 utc | 59 Nice religion (belief system) you have there…-:) Posted by: Robert Michael Hope | Dec 17 2022 1:37 utc | 60 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 17 2022 1:23 utc | 58 Posted by: unimperator | Dec 17 2022 1:42 utc | 61 @ bevin | Dec 17 2022 1:11 utc | 56 with the Saker link and read recommendation…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 1:49 utc | 62 @Don Bacon 34 Posted by: Hermit | Dec 17 2022 1:49 utc | 63 And then there is the long tortured, illegally jailed. Julian Assange, with which the Western media is complicit and for whom the puppet governments of Australia will do nothing Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 17 2022 2:34 utc | 64 No sooner than MOngolian prez came back from his sojourn to China, when anti govn riots erupted in the capital, then morphed into anti Chinese mayhem
Never fails, every time the Indian test a new missile, they make sure everybody knows its all about China.
Urge your ass !
[IS claimed credit for the attack ….] Posted by: denk | Dec 17 2022 2:40 utc | 65 @46 bevin | Dec 16 2022 23:15 utc
Thank you for that perspective. Not a new thing then, but a thing that is always there, only latterly hidden by the social improvements of the 20th Century – which were in turn spurred, either directly or indirectly, by the rise of the worker.
The playbook used against Carthage also bears similarities with today’s plays by the US, as Sant shows. After several decades of war and maneuver, Rome finally did destroy Carthage, as we know. Carthage didn’t have hypersonics, of course… Posted by: Grieved | Dec 17 2022 2:51 utc | 66 Reuters is always pushing the empire meme as evidenced by the posting title below and opening quote
Think about the sick mental state of folks that write this BS for a living….the US Covid deaths are over a million and small fraction of China’s population….how to lie with statistics…. They are directed to create a story that shows China in a negative light knowing that they will never be called on their BS at the end of 2023 or have whatever Covid deaths/China information put into a context with the rest of the world Covid deaths, including the West. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 3:51 utc | 67 Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 3:51 utc | 67 Posted by: denk | Dec 17 2022 4:38 utc | 68 Matryoshka. I have never seen anyone pick what Russia will do. Dolls within dolls, “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 17 2022 4:43 utc | 69 Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 3:51 utc | 67 Posted by: Walt | Dec 17 2022 4:48 utc | 71 @ Walt | Dec 17 2022 4:48 utc | 71 with the response to my comment and inside China reporting Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 6:02 utc | 72 An accident on the Soyuz MS-22 has profound consequences for the International Space Station. Orbiting astronauts probably need to find a new ride home.
Posted by: too scents | Dec 17 2022 6:05 utc | 73 I don’t usually post anywhere because the same extreme bias seen in western media is also sometimes seen here. Just like the west portrays that everything US does is good, here everything Russia and China does is good. Right now Russia is doing the world a great service and in terms of good versus evil, Russia is on the right side. But that does not mean that credit automatically goes to china. But almost everyone here is a china lover. Posted by: Surya Mitra | Dec 17 2022 6:22 utc | 74 Below is a link to the latest from Pepe Escobar at The Cradle
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 6:33 utc | 75 @ psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 6:33 utc | 75 Posted by: too scents | Dec 17 2022 7:01 utc | 76 Below is the latest from Wall Street On Parade Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 7:30 utc | 77 @ too scents | Dec 17 2022 7:01 utc | 76 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 17 2022 7:36 utc | 78 You mean King Chuck? Posted by: too scents | Dec 17 2022 7:48 utc | 79 @ bevin | Dec 16 2022 23:15 utc | 46
Actually, has not Empire through the installed/empowered/enabled Ukraine OUN-Nazi’s turned the State of Ukraine into one giant extermination/concentration camp since 2014 ? The purpose being, even if the ‘war’ is lost(?), to expel/culturally genocide/physically exterminate (forced untermensch conscripts), the pre-identified nominated untermenschen ? When Eastern Europe joined the European Union, the birth rate suddenly dropped below two children per woman. In a recent interview, Michael Hudson says: Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2022 8:20 utc | 81 An accident on the Soyuz MS-22 has profound consequences for the International Space Station. Orbiting astronauts probably need to find a new ride home.
http://www.israelshamir.com/article/toilet-wars/ Posted by: Nobody | Dec 17 2022 8:32 utc | 82
The key to understanding any and all wars is not to accept the failure or brain damage hypothesis, but quite the opposite. Posted by: RON | Dec 17 2022 8:55 utc | 83 Surya Mitra @ 74: Posted by: Jen | Dec 17 2022 9:01 utc | 84 @ Jen | 84 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 9:36 utc | 85 I came across an interesting link to a Russian scientist who lived in the West. His name is Grigory Petrovich Klimov. From his website right off the bat I found some interesting information about a sociological/psychological research study done by the US called “Project Harvard”. Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 17 2022 9:50 utc | 86 @ Jen or any other CCP fans: Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 9:55 utc | 87 @ Nobody | Dec 17 2022 8:32 utc | 82 Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 16 2022 17:03 utc | 4 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 17 2022 10:34 utc | 89 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 9:55 utc | 87 Posted by: Walt | Dec 17 2022 10:38 utc | 90 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 9:55 utc | 87
When you mention these places, please also mention Hawaii, Guantanamo Bay….everything west of the Louisiana Purchase….hell, you should even mention everything east of the Louisiana Purchase. Posted by: littlereddot | Dec 17 2022 10:39 utc | 91 @ littlereddot | 91 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 11:08 utc | 92 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 11:08 utc | 92
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Inner_Mongolia Posted by: Walt | Dec 17 2022 11:15 utc | 93 Hi Walt, if you manage to escape to the Philippines do enquire about the huge Chinese bases on the Mischief reefs between Palawan and central Vietnam, 1000 km south east from south Hainan. Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 11:28 utc | 94 Following up last nights post from Global Times on the attempted HiTech Chip sanctions being the next step in the dying by Empires playbook.
‘”The US is not in its prime of life, no longer the protagonist of movies like 007 who are handsome, elegant, quick in its action and reaction. Today’s US is like a mafia boss in his later years, can barely walk but still holds particularly large power. Today, US’ position is largely determined by its system,” Jin said. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 17 2022 11:32 utc | 95 It will be years before US even builds them with their own non-combat replacement needs……..and Germany will have fun re-painting them after each flight – especially when Hensoldt boasts its radars track them. Posted by: Nobody | Dec 17 2022 11:34 utc | 96 Posted by: Antonym | Dec 17 2022 11:28 utc | 94 Posted by: Walt | Dec 17 2022 12:08 utc | 97 Over the past five or six years https://strana.news/ in Ukraine has been increasingly throttled by the regime. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 17 2022 12:58 utc | 98 Child workers found throughout Hyundai-Kia supply chain in Alabama Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 17 2022 14:04 utc | 99 I won’t mention Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia or Manchuria. Posted by: Passerby | Dec 17 2022 14:53 utc | 100 |
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