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December 08, 2022

Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-219

News & views not related to the war in Ukraine ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKuXoQmxdcI

I wondered where this issue has been going. No overflights over Russia is tough because its land mass is so big and the West needs to get to Asia. Russia holds the cards here.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2022 17:39 utc | 101

the West needs to get to Asia.
Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2022 17:39 utc | 100

Ursula von der Leyen can fly the West to Asia on her broom.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 9 2022 17:48 utc | 102

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 9 2022 6:45 utc | 63

Thanks for that, Scorpion - with useful map to help visualize peace in Yemen -- a big plus if it can be accomplished. Not to mention the other countries which could be affected eventually in the neighborhood. (My thought about the Silk Road is that it might give the oceans a chance to recover; after all, NZ's mothballing a few warships to help that cause along.)

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2022 17:56 utc | 103

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 6:33 utc | 61

Thanks also, psychohistorian! Hmm, might Alaska be next? (New Zealand...Antarctica...Tierra Del Fuego....)

Sorry, got carried away.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2022 18:06 utc | 104

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 9:37 utc | 78:

....WHICH is why Columbus had to sail WEST to find India

What did India had to do with silk?

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 9 2022 18:29 utc | 105

[105]

Do forgive Medford being so terribly stupid !
India was producing silk in 2450 BC which means Before Christ fox the sophisticates on this blog

I mean Columbus was not really looking for India for spices which is why the natives in the Americas were not called Indians but something else

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 19:19 utc | 106

Paul Greenwood:

It would take a lot more than a one-liner skimmed off of an online search to convince me that India had a silk industry as far back as 2450BC for Columbus to want to find a way to tap it a few hundred years ago. I guess you would believe in things differently from me.

Let's toast to India's ancient silk industry!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 9 2022 19:42 utc | 107

From Sundance about Twitter's links to Intelligence:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/12/08/latest-release-of-twitter-files-highlights-the-mechanics-of-controlling-platform-information-with-former-u-s-intel-officials/#more-240709

"To put it in brutally honest terms, The United States Dept of Homeland Security is the operating system running in the background of Twitter.

You can debate whether Elon Musk honestly didn’t know all this before purchasing Twitter from his good friend Jack Dorsey, and/or what the scenario of owner/operator motive actually is. Decide for yourself.

For me, I feel confident that all of the conflicting and odd datapoints only reconcile in one direction. DHS, via CISA, controls Twitter.

Wittingly or unwittingly (you decide) Elon Musk is now the face of that govt controlled enterprise."

===================================

Personally, I suspect companies like Twitter are just fronts for Intelligence rather than that the latter have backdoor access.

In any case, Twitter change of ownership is exposing quite a bit of this, though how many outside of right-leaning political junkies are following such stories is probably marginal.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 9 2022 20:09 utc | 108

Paul Greenwood @ 78, Peter AU 1 @ 83:

The Silk Road trade flourished for at least a millennium and more until the 1200s when the Mongol invasions across Asia into Europe, the Middle East and China disrupted trade routes and demolished cities (Baghdad especially) in these networks. The Mongols later tried to restore parts of the Silk Road trade network but, in the Middle East especially, they had done too much damage to cities and their infrastructures (irrigation and water supplies) for this region to recover. Later empires (Ottomans, Safavids) fought over Mesopotamia as the Romans / Byzantines and Sassanids had done centuries earlier and this region ended up becoming a borderland backwater.

The Silk Road trade was not affected by the spread of Islam and in some parts of Asia, trade encouraged the spread of Islam and Judaism. It was through trade that Islam and Judaism entered China (from the northwest through the Gansu corridor and from the southeast through Yunnan and coastal port cities like Guangzhou) and Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms in SE Asia came in contact with Islam through Muslim traders.

The Catholic monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella funded Christopher Columbus's trips to the Americas as alternatives to sailing around Africa (a Portuguese obsession) and trying their luck through the Mediterranean (too many other actors, Italian and Ottoman, involved). Spain had just been reunified and did not yet have the money and resources to compete with, and maybe fight, the Portuguese, the Italians and the Ottomans. It was after Spanish conquests in Central and South America that Spain became wealthy and was able to build up its naval and merchant fleets.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 9 2022 20:50 utc | 109

The Mongols later tried to restore parts of the Silk Road trade network but, in the Middle East especially, they had done too much damage to cities and their infrastructures (irrigation and water supplies) for this region to recover.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 9 2022 20:50 utc | 109

Thxs for these interesting posts.

But: I thought the Mongol administration lasted for several hundred years after the first conquest by Genghis. Surely in all that time they built things back. Usually they only destroyed a few cities 'pour encourager les autres' I thought in any case, no?

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 9 2022 21:23 utc | 110

I want to wish b and the barflies all the best of the season, season’s greetings and warm holiday wishes… I am taking a bit of a Christmas vay-kay (not anywhere warm) and won’t post much. I hope to keep up on the news and views though.

One final thought is I think too much is being made of the grand reception that China’s Xi received in Saudi Arabia. Don’t they just need something? Aren’t geopolitics kind of pragmatic on some level, more so than a reflection of true sentiment?

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Dec 9 2022 21:37 utc | 111

@ Sean & other friends

I was bullied in my childhood a lot, possibly because I was the littlest, and also the only « foreigner » in a context of all Frenchies, as an English-speaker. This was the 70’s and the 80’s in semi-rural Quebec (Canada).

I moved around a lot in my childhood, never got to put down any roots. That’s not natural.

I’ve always had a natural tendency to go into the corners, and meet similarly forsaken people, and be their buddy.

I have a real aversion to people being mean. It really really upsets me, makes me very sad :*(

I try to express myself as briefly as I can, cause I have attention deficit disorder, or else otherwise words get too slippery. I read by osmosis, meaning my mind’s eye often just skates over the words, and I’m hardly even aware that I was thinking about something else. *shrugs*

I’ve always been a fuckin weirdo. But as I get older, I tend to resemble who I was when I was a child, and I agree with it. The Purity.

I just need to practice my frugality in expressing myself.

Thank you for hearing me.

Posted by: Marc | Dec 9 2022 21:55 utc | 112

Russian ally Serbia moves get 1000 officers in there to protect the Serbs, as per un agreement.

Likewise it looks like turkey and Iran might both hit us ally the kurds.

Russia must hope its foreign partners can raise the costs for the American Empire.

The blessings of the War God fall upon the bold(and successful). Overstretching the US is a good idea I think.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Dec 9 2022 22:01 utc | 113

@ Outraged

I am Wingman-bot.

*robot noises*

A Catcher in the Rye.

*whirr bzzt*

Posted by: Marc (Featherless) | Dec 9 2022 22:14 utc | 114

@ Bruised Northerner | Dec 9 2022 21:37 utc | 111

thanks.. all the best over the holidays to you and into the new year too!

@ marc...

keep on keeping on!

Posted by: james | Dec 9 2022 23:46 utc | 115

Speaking as a citizen of the United States and assuming that VVP reads the MoA, I implore you, Mr. President to take your citizen back but for the love of all that is good, please keep that griner fella as a door "prize" for playing the game.

Posted by: T.D. | Dec 10 2022 0:51 utc | 116

Scorpion @ 110:

My understanding is that after Genghis Khan's death (died 1226?), his male relatives and descendants had to divide the empire among themselves in order to be able to lead armies and be physically present to their subjects, even though nominally the empire was still one empire with a single Great Khan. The wealthier areas like China recovered faster, perhaps because the male relatives chosen by the Mongol elites to rule those regions might have been a bit less bloodthirsty and hot-headed.

Also those areas that surrendered early to the Mongols survived better than others, that resisted and ended up destroyed and their people annihilated or enslaved, did. Baghdad chose the latter option and paid the price.

Though maybe the one good deed the Mongols did was destroy the cult of the Assassins in their headquarters at Alamut in northwestern Persia by killing everyone there.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 10 2022 1:13 utc | 117

IMSFPATLHUOA.
I am so fucking pissed about the lazy habit of using acronyms.

GALLB!
Get a life,lazy bones.

Who has the time to figure out what you haven't any time to spell out in any of the alphabets?

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 10 2022 1:31 utc | 118

Inheritance is bad because it leads to slavery. I thought that was fairly self-evident. The relationship of inheritance to ownership and property is a hot mess so I tried to keep it simple and avoid tangents. It is possible that the understandable instinct to provide for decendants is less ugly without the mindfuckscam of ownership and property, but that's a whole other story.

To put my point more clearly: inheritance is bad because it makes most of the west believe it is entitled to live off the rest of the world.

Posted by: Rae | Dec 10 2022 1:46 utc | 119

What did India had to do with silk?

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 9 2022 18:29 utc | 105

not being any expert on India but it occurs to me why would India as an ancient great civilisation NOT have silk. I looked up a few sources and sure enough it went to India from China a couple of thousand years ago .

Even more interesting, India had its own rustic version of silk production where the silkworms lived in the forest and not on cultivated mulberrry trees. This type of silk is still produced in India and is called Ahimsa or Peace silk as the silk worms are not killed in production. As a person who loves fabric and silk fabric in particular, I was already aware of very old silk industries in East and West used for tapestries in both religious and secular contexts, all due to the Ancient Silk Road of course.

Posted by: K | Dec 10 2022 2:07 utc | 120

@Skorpion

You might find this video interesting. "The History of the World: Every Year" The Mongols show up at minute 14:49. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0

Here's another one showing the history of Europe. Linked to the "Find Ukraine before 1991" or "Who benefited most from WW1 and WW2?" search game. It is the country which is preparing to expand its territory even more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI

Posted by: Uwe | Dec 10 2022 2:19 utc | 121

I may well be wrong but I thought the silk road goes back as far as Persepolis. Trade has always been trade. The first group out of Africa were dark skinned, second group light skinned. Aboriginal people came here at minimum 48 thousand years ago. They had to cross open sea. Oldest dugout canoe found to date is 13 thousand years old. Polynesians covered the pacific in dugout canoes.
So much history not covered by writing. Oral history only goes back to the last great sea level rise.

So much human history and now we watch as the power moves east.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2022 2:58 utc | 122

Intel Slava Z

🇷🇺🇮🇷 NBC reports, citing its sources, that Iranian pilots completed training courses on the Su-35S in the spring and that Iran will start receiving aircraft during 2023.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2022 3:17 utc | 123

Outraged | Dec 10 2022 3:17 utc | 124

The Eurasian silk road is very much preparing to smack down the Johny come lately west. I just sit back and watch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2022 3:27 utc | 124

@ Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2022 3:27 utc | 125

Absolutely. Look at Turkiye & Egypt re Bosphorous & Suez Canal. China signs Bilateral Security & Co-operation Treaty with KSA, only second such since Russia. Egypt joins BRICS Banking/Financial alliance. Algiers, West African grouping, ejection of French, UK, German post colonial/independence militaries, replaced by request RF Wagner PMC. RF/China joint strategic bomber/fighter escort patrols Taiwan straits/Sea of Japan, ally as bomber co-pilot, landing on each others secure military airfields ... etc

Iran Air Force platforms was it's only remaining military weakness. Soon, no more. Serious additional defense, force projection & force multiplier capability.

Too many focused on individual trees, not stepping back, to observe the forests take foot & move.

RF-China-Iran-OPEC+, etc have not only openly foretold for RoW, but begun to move ... that Empire will be defeated when Birnam Wood comes to Dunsinane.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2022 3:47 utc | 125

https://www.businessinsider.com/911-commission-memo-declassified-bush-cheney-attacks-bin-laden-qaeda-2022-11

n April 29, 2004, President George W. Bush hosted one of the most unusual meetings to ever take place inside the Oval Office. The 10 members of the 9/11 Commission got to ask him and Vice President Dick Cheney any question they wanted about the September 11, 2001, attacks. The words that were spoken in that room remained secret for nearly two decades. Now, we can finally read what Bush said. Earlier this month, after more than 18 years, the government declassified a 31-page "memorandum for the record," which compiles notes that the commissioners took during the meeting. The document shows the commissioners giving Bush multiple chances to acknowledge the numerous documented warnings he'd received from his own government of an impending attack by Al Qaeda. For the most part, Bush failed to do so. Instead, he passed the buck.

Perhaps the largest of Bush's evasions that day concerned his CIA director, George Tenet: "The threat was overseas — that was what George said." Bush's implication at the time is clear. He wanted the commission, and by extension the public, to think that no one could have anticipated Al Qaeda mounting a large-scale attack on US soil. But in fact, Tenet's CIA had warned Bush more than once that Al Qaeda could strike anywhere, at any time, and that all US citizens were potential targets. The most notorious warning that Bush received, but not the only one, was a CIA briefing headlined "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US."

Very little of Bush's excuse-making and clumsy attempts to rewrite history found their way into the 9/11 Commission's report. Indeed, one of the commissioners, Richard Ben-Veniste, told Insider he still had questions today about what Bush knew, and when.

"I could never square in my mind CIA Director Tenet's intense preoccupation with the Al Qaeda threat in the months leading up to 9/11, with his claim that he never briefed President Bush on the many clues the intelligence community had developed that bin Laden was planning to launch a 'spectacular' attack on the US homeland," Ben-Veniste said.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 10 2022 6:39 utc | 126


s made entirely by elected ministers of the member states, one minister per state, and those ministers are either directly elected members of their national parliament or in rare cases elected by their national parliaments. The Council of the EU is made entirely of elected heads of government.
Posted by: Blissex | Dec 9 2022 7:59 utc | 67
This in false, sorry. In France, where I live, all ministers are appointed by the Prime Minister, who herself is appointed by the President. Why are you trying to push this false information?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Dec 10 2022 8:48 utc | 127

Tenet was a grovelling asskisser, Bush offshored blame to him. but Bush, like most other presidents, never paid a price, now he's got a library and people like Michelle Obama buy him cookies.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 10 2022 9:44 utc | 128

Ritter had an interesting point the other day, linked to by some barfly, about one of the major objectives of the US propaganda operation (not that I'm slighting the contributions of the NATO poodles, but the US holds the leash). He said the idea is to convince people in Russia that they have to overthrow Putin. this is fabulously successful, as Russia gives Putin 80%+ ratings and is solidly behind the war effort, but never mind that. I wonder if that's explains the persistence of some trolls on MOA; that they think MOA is widely read in Russia.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 10 2022 9:49 utc | 129

https://humanmeatproject.com/human-meat-as-food-source/

Actually, we should only eat the top %10. They have dined on the best food all their lives, and so must be the most nutritious. Plus we get our money back. It a win-win!

Posted by: blues | Dec 10 2022 10:22 utc | 130

Watching SeanAU trying to get karlof1's attention is like watching Donald Trump trying to get the
respect of the golf world.

"Hey, Karlof1, I shot 19 under par yesterday. Did you see that shot Karl? Right down the middle. Out drove everybody, Karl.
Karl, I've won the club championship 17 straight years. How about that, Karlof? Yoo hoo, Karl, I'm over here Karl. I had a hole-in-one
the other day Karlof. Yo, Karl, we gotta get together at Mar-a-lago and hit the ball around. Yoo Hoo, Karl.... over here... hey, where ya goin'..."

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 10 2022 11:30 utc | 131

Agent Provocateur - 01 - Red Tape ;)
Youtube. Runtime 5m21s

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2022 12:09 utc | 132

waynorinorway | Dec 10 2022 11:30 utc | 134

The golf world. I believe they use little balls for that. Don't mind me. I just drink too much.Karl will keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 10 2022 13:37 utc | 133

@SeanAU

I registered that they were misunderstood regarding Lavrov, although they were clear.

I can sympathize with your reasoning regarding Karl's statement. I was a Jehovah's Witness for some time and know what it is like to be shunned. As someone who did not want to get a lethal injection, I experienced the old feelings again.

Still, a question remains. Why did they feel addressed by Karl's words.? I read them too, paused briefly, and scrolled on. He has his feelings and I can live with that.

It is difficult for me to understand some of the sensitivities. For example, this troll paranoia that keeps shining through. 20 years ago I moderated the largest blog in Germany for alternative views on topics such as politics, medicine, history, etc. There I was always insulted, why I did not delete this or that alleged troll.

I think it is important to hear even contrary opinions, if they are presented factually. One's own point of view can only be strengthened or, if necessary, corrected, if one is in exchange with the "opposite side". Perhaps I am also a fossil. I grew up in a time when it was possible to be friends with people who were on the other side of the ideological divide.

When everyone reinforces to each other how much they understand the world, a reality of their own emerges. This can also be observed here to some extent, when obvious mistakes by the Russian leadership are interpreted as a brilliant plan.

At that time, I also saw the so-called trolls as an opportunity for forum members to grow from it. Unfortunately, I never experienced the moment I had always been waiting for. That the members would be strong enough to just keep scrolling instead of engaging in pointless verbal fights and giving the guys an importance they didn't deserve.

Posted by: Uwe | Dec 10 2022 14:39 utc | 134

Jesus Christus, the ongoing exposure of the shenanigans at the Old Twitter? Both mind-blowing and hilarious. Much like Pandora's Box had been opened. After reading summaries of revelation parts 2 & 3, I think there's going to be lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits. It's going to be a lawsuit fest! And with Jackie Dorsey merely being Vagina Gadde's midget and sidekick, I think it will be her in the crosshairs. Think about it: a non-native immigrant lady with Telugu as her first language almost single-handedly silences the elected and sitting native president of the country that once welcomed her Telugu family. Just try to imagine how this would look like the other way round. If the US-born daughter of a family that once moved to India for career reasons had successfully silenced the president of India. It's unthinkable, it would be called colonialism and what not. The sheer perversity of it all.

More and more of the political animals who until recently had the habit of riding on the coattails of fascistoid Old Twitter are switching off their accounts. It's turning into a frantic movement. People have even started to write obituaries for these accounts, which I find hugely funny. Here's one example of such an obituary for the Prime Minister of the German state of Lower Saxony, Stephan Weil.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 10 2022 15:16 utc | 135

Long time followers of Association Football will recall that the maritime empire began in the fifteenth century when Portugal established its military dominance over Morocco. Everything else flowed from that.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 10 2022 17:08 utc | 136

@ bevin | Dec 10 2022 17:08 utc | 139

May one suggest a more precise start date ?

Upon the return of Chris Columbus, the anti-pope(?), Spanish-born pope Alexander VI issued Papal bulls, & imposed the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494) upon the Catholic Portuguese & Spanish kings/kingdoms.

Hence they had Papal authority & support to carry out their Rapine & as 'Made Men' allocated their own exclusive territories throughout the world, primarily initially but not exclusively, the New World, & ensuring a constant large cut for the Big Guy, of the Profits.

Other EU Vampyre rulers/kingdoms did not accept the Papal Bulls authority & commenced their own (faithless) rapine, as well as periodic piracy. The Portuguese thought they got a raw deal. The Portuguese managed to arrive via diplomacy with Spain, a new improved division of spoils, which the next anti-pope Julius II gave bullish(sic) consent.

Portugal therefore claimed Brazil, in order to bring forth the Orthodox Roman-Catholic (not Christian) faith to the heathen savages, along with rapine, slavery & genocide ... same Spain with it's allotted territories ... & so on & so forth in Asia/Asia-Pacific/East-Asia & elsewhere ... the inception of what would one day evolve into the G7 ?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 10 2022 17:38 utc | 137

What if shoplifting promoted by some liberal Dem Party governors attorneys targets internet sales shift enforcement? It quite suits their agenda and involvement into the big fintech business yet aligned with 4th generation where the revolution in logistics is part of.
Of course before the rules come the old must be destroyed. I totally agree with Putin that NWO'ers use the same templates as did their bolshevik counterparts during 1917 revolution in Russia.

Posted by: asehi | Dec 10 2022 18:19 utc | 138

Uwe | Dec 10 2022 14:39 utc | 134

"I never experienced the moment I had always been waiting for. That the members would be strong enough to just keep scrolling instead of engaging in pointless verbal fights and giving the guys an importance they didn't deserve."

Ah for a perfect world. I agree with the above statement 100%. Its easy to scroll a troll :)

Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 10 2022 20:55 utc | 139

An Arctic Blast heads for Europe, Forecast to Deliver Coldest Air of the Winter Season, Snow for the Alps, and a Stress Test for the Electric grids this weekend

The projected cold blast is thought to represent a significant stress test for Europe’s fragile energy market systems... Countries, especially across western and central Europe, have warned that strained tensions in the energy market could lead to potential power outages and rolling electricity outages in the upcoming weeks as temperatures become much lower.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 10 2022 21:27 utc | 140

John Helmer's website Dances with Bears is essential reading today.
When you have read it you will understand why, out of respect for the blog owner's position, I simply urge people to monitor Helmer regularly.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 11 2022 0:18 utc | 141

Though maybe the one good deed the Mongols did was destroy the cult of the Assassins in their headquarters at Alamut in northwestern Persia by killing everyone there.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 10 2022 1:13 utc | 117

Thanks for reply.
Can't recall where or when read this but the author maintained that G.Khan's main contribution - as he himself intended - was his Law. And that Law was the basis of all the polities in the extended 'Empire' and essentially lasted about 300 years give or take which is no small achievement. Yes, there was quite a bit of in-fighting about who got to be the Great Khan, but the various areas from Persia to China continued to follow much of the basic law that he supposedly established in all such zones, far-flung and very different as they were. I have no idea if this is true.

But Genghis' story, very simply put, was first to stop his own people from fighting interminably among themselves for scraps and then subjugate those who had been overlording and exploiting them for time out of mind and then basically to sweep the steppes from Mongolia through to Hungary and Ukraine, i.e. the Eurasian heartlands. His goal was not rape and pillage like some sort of crude brigand but to establish a federation of sorts, different people and cultures knit together under some sort of common law which would prevent endless exploitation and wars.

Or something like that. History is such a rabbit warren. So many different verions of the same thing. So many false pistes and forgeries. So much hidden treasure.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 11 2022 1:04 utc | 142

Little factoid of the day from friendly neighbourhood scorpion:

Death rate in China is 7.18 per thousand per annum.
China population = 1.4 billion.
Annual deaths = 10,052,000
Daily deaths = 27,549
Month (*30) = 826,000

Reported deaths from Covid: 5,235 over 3 years:
Annual covid deaths = 1745
Daily covid deaths = 4.78
Month (*30) = 143.

In other words, out of 826,000 deaths per month, only 143 have been from covid, or 0.017%, less than two hundredths of a percent.

Note: this comment is not promoting any argument. Just pointing out the raw math.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 11 2022 2:02 utc | 143

@ Scorpion | Dec 11 2022 1:04 utc | 142

The Mongol empire is well documented to have arrived in each place in an extreme orgy of violence against the populations, both urban and rural. The mass death in China may have amounted to about 35 excess deaths and that in the Middle East, with much smaller populations, about 5 million. Since the sources are mainly Chinese, Middle Eastern, and Slavic, one might assume that they promote biased massacre stories that exaggerate the destruction, which is true, but the destruction was still extreme, especially considering that it was visited on the victims using only 13th-century technology.

The Mongols did sometimes try to observe the medieval rules of war that places which surrendered peacefully were not to be further harmed, but this often broke down in reality and led to total massacre. Also, the Mongols became tired of the cities in the city-studded landscape of North China surrendering and then later rebelling, so they decided preemptively to kill everyone outright. They saw the land as only useful to pasture their animals. Once they established settled rule, they relied on the natives to collect taxes for them, but when they needed more, they just attacked and plundered the people they were ruling. Thus, their Middle Eastern state, the Ilkhan Empire (1265-1335) and their Chinese state, the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368), were both strongly disliked by their subjects and did not last all that long.

Posted by: Cabe | Dec 11 2022 5:15 utc | 144

Xinhuanet has a posting up detailing the eight major initiatives on China-Arab practical cooperation coming out of the China/Arab summit

Below are quotes from two of them I think significant


China is ready to cooperate with the Arab side in energy science and technology research and development, strengthen energy policy coordination, and promote the building of a global energy governance system featuring justice, equity, balance and shared benefits.


....
China will train 1,500 personnel in such fields as smart policing and cyber security law enforcement for the Arab side.

China will implement the China-League of Arab States Cooperation Initiative on Data Security, establish a network information exchange mechanism, and strengthen exchanges and dialogues in data governance and cyber security together with the Arab side.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 11 2022 7:05 utc | 145

Xi Jinping says China supports Palestine with 1967 borders

Chinese leader calls for granting Palestine "full membership" in United Nations and says Beijing "supports the two-state solution and the establishment of a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital."

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/xi-jinping-says-china-supports-palestine-with-1967-borders-63395

This news item has not been picked up by the Western press.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 11 2022 11:35 utc | 146

@ too scents | Dec 11 2022 11:35 utc | 146

Was in the process of refreshing/posting on the same topic. lol :)

Turkiye International press has been really on the ball recently ...

Here is the Iranian perspective:

China supports Palestinian nation’s just cause aimed at restoring legitimate rights: Xi

Chinese President Xi Jinping says Beijing firmly supports the Palestinian nation’s just cause aimed at restoration of their legitimate national rights, as Palestinians have been struggling against the occupying Israeli regime for decades.

Xi made the remarks during a meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the Saudi capital city of Riyadh on Thursday on the sidelines of the first China-Arab States Summit and a meeting with leaders of the six-member Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).

Xi highlighted that China and Palestine have maintained a long-standing friendship, and that they have trusted and supported each other for over half a century.

“China and Palestine enjoy a time-honored friendship and the friendship between our peoples is deeply rooted in our hearts. For more than half a century, we have always trusted and supported each other. While leading the people in realizing Chinese-style modernization, the Communist Party of China will remain committed to safeguarding world peace, promoting common development, upholding international fairness and justice, and building a community with a shared future for the people,” the Chinese president said.

“No matter how the international and regional situation may change, China firmly supports the just cause of the Palestinian people and will always stand with them,” he said.

...

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 11:59 utc | 147

Egypt ... current Suez Canal situ, re EU Oil Cap Lawfare with a twist ?
Um, Alfred Mahan "Sea Power" theory vs Halford McKinder "Heartland" theory, seeds of being put to the test ?

Chinese, Egyptian leaders discuss bilateral ties, Middle East

Chinese President Xi Jinping met with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi in the Saudi capital Riyadh.

During the meeting, El-Sisi said Egypt is looking forward to increasing the flow of Chinese tourists to Egypt and is encouraging Chinese companies to maximize their investments in the country, the statement said.

El-Sisi also met with Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia al-Sudani and discussed the importance of implementing joint projects between Egypt and Iraq.

The Egyptian president expressed his country’s keenness to provide full support for the Iraqi people at all levels to overcome all difficulties, especially in the fight against terrorism and restoring security and stability.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 12:24 utc | 148

China is building a new Egyptian capital.

Short 2 minute video ==> https://youtu.be/vU1XiSfj4RU

Posted by: too scents | Dec 11 2022 12:32 utc | 149

@ Petri Krohn | Dec 9 2022 1:54 utc | 41

Reichsburger: Looks like total fake & false flag to me. Echo's of Washington January 6th 2021. A virtual group constructed around a handful of real outwingers by these countries own security forces. Need of a boogieman.
https://www.dw.com/en/reichsb%C3%BCrger/t-42133475

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 11 2022 13:24 utc | 150

A huge dos of history is found in this close look at Kubrick's film "The Shining"
Rather long but worth spending the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkE8_Kx97oU

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 11 2022 13:28 utc | 151

Ah, SCMP, always with a twist & sting in the tail ...

Here's an alternative perspective from the Egyptians & Chinese themselves on the ground, actually involved & doing the works. Having their say, mucho info included too, only 8 weeks ago ... CGTN

Building Egypt's New Administrative Capital Together Youtube. Runtime: 5m22s

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 11 2022 13:28 utc | 152

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