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December 8, 2022
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-219
News & views not related to the war in Ukraine …
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For as much as democracy is touted,seems odd that all the ruling bodies in the EU are from appointments and selection. The people of the countries that make up the EU have no say. To have a say some resort to ideals that can be used against them where one might have a ‘coup not a coup’ and find oneself incarcerated or worse (Death Lists????). Kagans, Freelands, Johnsons et al, all have family ties, ties that bind in blood to the current Ukrainian shit show. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 8 2022 16:33 utc | 1 fun band… i like the uplifting feeling it get from the music.. Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 16:37 utc | 2 @ sean the leprechaun | Dec 8 2022 16:33 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 16:39 utc | 3
Thomas Piketty (Capital in the 21st Century) was onto something when he suggested inherited wealth was a major problem. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 8 2022 17:06 utc | 4 @ Opport Knocks | Dec 8 2022 17:06 utc | 4 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 17:11 utc | 5 Fox News Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 8 2022 17:11 utc | 6 I’m no expert on death-merchants, despite familial relations with people whose careers can be reasonably described as within the lethal mercantile sector. From my typical US American viewpoint, Bout’s horrible nickname sounds like “working stiff”… and I’ve yet to hear him accused of anything more sinful than selling arms to forces USA opposes. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Dec 8 2022 17:37 utc | 7 Piketty was on to something re: inherited wealth, but if you want to look for real solutions, listen to Michael Hudson. There’s a discussion between him and Piketty on YouTube. His analysis of financial colonialism in the 70s was so apropos that it was used by the neo cons as a handbook. He also describes the economic underpinnings of NATO and why the US never has to actually repay foreign debt under the current system. Posted by: Matthew | Dec 8 2022 18:43 utc | 8 Can this Circus get any funnier ??? Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 8 2022 18:46 utc | 9 but will Griner lose her right to vote? Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 19:59 utc | 10 Griner can make herself into a self-help and behavioral therapy spokesperson. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 20:05 utc | 11 i don’t know, my sponsor keeps telling me to look on the bright side, so, it’s hard but i’ll try, Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 20:08 utc | 12 Aleph_Null @7 Posted by: Donnie | Dec 8 2022 20:13 utc | 13 @ Donnie | Dec 8 2022 20:13 utc | 13 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 20:31 utc | 14 in 2015, the Toronto Symphony Orchestra canceled Valentina Lisitsa from a performance because of comments she made on Twitter regarding the Kiev regime’s crimes against its Russian population. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 20:42 utc | 15 fun band… i like the uplifting feeling it get from the music.. Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 8 2022 20:42 utc | 16 rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 20:42 utc | 15 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 20:48 utc | 17 «seems odd that all the ruling bodies in the EU are from appointments and selection. The people of the countries that make up the EU have no say» Posted by: Blissex | Dec 8 2022 20:48 utc | 18 @ Tom_12 | Dec 8 2022 20:42 utc | 16 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 20:51 utc | 19 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Dec 8 2022 20:42 utc | 15 Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 8 2022 21:02 utc | 20 Watch for maybe; Griner deal–if US lets Julian off hook? Just Another arms dealer was not worth a Griner. Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Dec 8 2022 21:18 utc | 21 @ waynorinorway | Dec 8 2022 21:02 utc | 20 Posted by: james | Dec 8 2022 21:30 utc | 22 “Freezing.” A weather term certainly not in the jurisprudence lexicon. At this point in time and for some time now “Confiscation” puts no spin on this intercontinental, very high dollar crime. But shh. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 8 2022 21:38 utc | 23
Thomas Piketty (Capital in the 21st Century) was onto something when he suggested inherited wealth was a major problem. Posted by: averros | Dec 8 2022 22:27 utc | 25 Sean the Leprechaun @ 1: Posted by: Jen | Dec 8 2022 22:34 utc | 26 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 8 2022 20:48 utc | 18 Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 8 2022 22:49 utc | 27 @waynorinorway, #20: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 8 2022 22:58 utc | 28 Oriental Voice | Dec 8 2022 22:58 utc | 28 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 23:08 utc | 29 Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 23:08 utc | 29 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 8 2022 23:12 utc | 30 Interesting news day. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 8 2022 23:23 utc | 31 Harryash: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 8 2022 23:30 utc | 32 @Klaatu, #29, #30: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 8 2022 23:35 utc | 33 So the US bargains for the lesbian lady instead of the serviceman? Never leave a man behind? Disgusting. Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 9 2022 0:09 utc | 35 Viktor Bout’s real crime was flying in the Operation Turquoise peacekeepers, over the objections of Dallaire and Kagame, thereby saving 130,000 lives. Posted by: Johan Meyer (2) | Dec 9 2022 0:18 utc | 36 Thanks James, not bad. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2022 0:29 utc | 37 To: Jen | Dec 8 2022 22:34 utc | 26 Posted by: C | Dec 9 2022 0:38 utc | 38 Above, planina and gora are mountain… not airport. Posted by: Johan Meyer (2) | Dec 9 2022 0:38 utc | 39 Blissex @ 18:
True, the EU Council may be made up of elected people but only of people elected by electors of that EU member state that holds the EU Presidency for six months. Posted by: Jen | Dec 9 2022 0:38 utc | 40 Beer Hall Putsch or Reichstag Fire? Posted by: Petri Krohn | Dec 9 2022 1:54 utc | 41 Hadn’t really seen this thesis laid out all in one place, but I do tend to agree with the notion that… Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 9 2022 2:05 utc | 42 In other news here on this thread. ;O Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 9 2022 2:16 utc | 43 Suddenly everything is quiet about the “China Protests” and how China is collapsing, et al. Actually, what is going on is very interesting. But the real seriousness of how China is dealing with the aftermath is not being reported and it is going to make your eyes twitch! Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Dec 9 2022 2:43 utc | 44 With Xi visiting Saudi Arabia and the Summits ready to commence, “Xi Jinping’s Visit to Saudi Arabia and the overthrow of Atlanticism” is filled with economic stats and reviews of development deals. This section IMO is crucial:
What I see is masterful diplomatic orchestration by China primarily because its goal isn’t Plunder like that of the Atlanticists its displacing. TIAA–There IS Another Alternative. @ Rufus Arrr | Dec 9 2022 2:43 utc | 44 with the link/posting about China Covid protests…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 3:11 utc | 46 The BBC has a posting up saying the Pope Frank was seen crying about the suffering of the Ukrainians. I refuse to provide link to or view the hypocrisy myself. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 3:36 utc | 47
Albrecht’s initial career was as a senior EU official in Brussels where Ursula attended the international school. At the EU, Albrecht would de facto have been serving at the pleasure of the U.S. government. Albrecht was later re-deployed to handle Lower Saxony. Posted by: Pacific Observer | Dec 9 2022 3:53 utc | 48 Inheritance is bad. It is funny to read the phony arguments defending it, complete with straw men and deliberate misrepresentation, especially in light of the relevance of inheritance to the current West vs RoW conflagration… Posted by: Rae | Dec 9 2022 4:00 utc | 49 @ Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2022 0:29 utc | 37 Posted by: james | Dec 9 2022 4:49 utc | 50 Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 9 2022 2:56 utc | 45 Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 9 2022 4:59 utc | 51 Inheritance is bad. Posted by: averros | Dec 9 2022 5:02 utc | 52 Rae | Dec 9 2022 4:00 utc | 48 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 5:18 utc | 53 hey! you like those playing for change videos! i like this… they are playing with the basic clave rhythm Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 9 2022 5:24 utc | 54 psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 3:36 utc | 47 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 5:32 utc | 55 An important assembly will take a further step to becoming reality, “Putin Arrives in Kyrgyzstan’s Bishkek to Attend EAEU Summit”: Below is the title and a quote from a ZH posting….any insight from you Down Under folks?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 5:46 utc | 57 ZH has a posting up with the title
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 5:50 utc | 58 psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 5:46 utc | 56 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 5:58 utc | 59 karlof1 | Dec 9 2022 5:42 utc | 55 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 6:01 utc | 60 Below is a Xinhuanet posting about US Congress pass a DEFENSE(/sarc) spending bill for more than the military had asked for
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 6:27 utc | 61 Below is a Xinhuanet posting about Xi’s trip to SA and this one shows China’s commitment to Palestine
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2022 6:33 utc | 62 Tom_Q_Collins | Dec 9 2022 2:05 utc | 42 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 6:42 utc | 63 https://thecradle.co/Article/Analysis/19283 [My bias is that I am not anti-catholic and by that I mean I’m not against ordinary people with either a catholic faith or cultural background or less ordinary people with genuine faith and belief. To me there are currently at least something like 8 billion paths to god or the idea thereof or similar but easily many more. Non-faith and atheism is perfectly okay too, to me pretty much anything is okay as long as it is not used an excuse to avoid doing or supporting what one believes is right (or worse as an excuse to do what one knows isn’t right) and as long as it is not used as a weapon against others who disagree.] Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 9 2022 6:55 utc | 65 Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 5:32 utc | 54 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 7:04 utc | 66 Posted by: Jen | Dec 9 2022 0:38 utc | 40 Posted by: Blissex | Dec 9 2022 7:59 utc | 67 If Ursula von der Leyen was voted into office in a clear and democratic way, then there should be some tabulation of the votes somewhere, no? Posted by: Sam | Dec 9 2022 8:11 utc | 68 Okay, I did manage to find a vote tally here (383 members voted in favor, 327 against, and 22 abstained): Posted by: Sam | Dec 9 2022 8:15 utc | 69 @ psycho Posted by: klik2 | Dec 9 2022 8:27 utc | 70 Viktor Bout for non entity Griner ??? I can’t see the Americans coming at that. One of Kadyrov’s deleted five big fish would make good trade currency. Throw a non entity in for public consumption… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 8:46 utc | 71 Prisoner swaps between US and Russia, Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine wants so called collaborates as prisoners to swap rather than than starring in nazi snuff movies yet Azov POW’s were hit with HIMARS a few months back. Whatever was at Azovstal seems to have value as a trade currency. Big fishes, medium fishes and little fishes of a HQ? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 8:58 utc | 72 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 8:46 utc | 70 Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 9 2022 9:00 utc | 73 lol people who refer to estate taxes as “death taxes” are usually bootlickers. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 9 2022 9:02 utc | 74 Posted by: Sam | Dec 9 2022 8:15 utc | 68 Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 9:08 utc | 75 Goooood morning barflies & b – quick question did I get a comment binned yesterday on the topic of the PATHOCRACY? Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 9 2022 9:25 utc | 76 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 8 2022 16:33 utc | 1 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 9:34 utc | 77 [75] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 9:37 utc | 78 Posted by: Sam | Dec 9 2022 8:11 utc | 67 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 9:43 utc | 79 Barflies should not let themselves be diverted by this Blissex type’s dissemination.
That link is behind a paywall so here is an unpaywalled description of the 100% corrupt process used to ensure the next EU prez was a dyed in the wool warmonger devoted to ensuring dollars & euros continued to flow for the military industrial complex. Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9 2022 9:44 utc | 80 pretzelattack | Dec 9 2022 9:00 utc | 72 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 9:50 utc | 81 Here’s how the Grinder Bout exchange was completed Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 9:54 utc | 82 Paul Greenwood | Dec 9 2022 9:37 utc | 77 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 10:05 utc | 83 Bloody hell Jen and C put up a lot of reading. Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 10:24 utc | 84 Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 9:54 utc | 81 Posted by: Klaatu | Dec 9 2022 10:49 utc | 85 My god this bar has degenerated into some low form of talkback radio since righters began to hang around. Who gives a flying fuck what pink bits the amerikan repatriee likes to play with or anything else about her personal life aside from the fact that she broke russian law by smuggling dope into the place? This is what shits me the most about rightists; they always have to have someone, some group of humans who they hate. Why? Humans are humans in my years on this planet I discovered a long time ago that a person’s character is never determined by the colour of their skin, whether or not they adhere to a particular set of ancient superstitions or what other human’s bits get them off, yet this is why I really struggle to tolerate rightists. They always appear to need some easily definable group of humans who they congregate around hating. Sometimes it’s homosexualists, sometimes it’s unwhite people or jews, sometimes it’s anyone who subscribes to a different set of old wives’ tales than those they themselves reckon are the ‘truth’. Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9 2022 12:09 utc | 86 @ YetAnotherAnon | Dec 9 2022 12:29 utc | 308 from ‘Ukraine Open Thread 2022-220’
Any Europeans care to comment on who you voted for when electing the EU Commission and EU Parliament. What was their platform and did they follow through on their promise? Anyone know what the voter turn out was in each country. Did your party get voted in? Was your vote wasted? Will you vote in future EU Parliament and Commission elections? Is your vote counted? Do you feel you wasted your time voting? You got a vote, right? Crickets……… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 9 2022 12:51 utc | 88 https://rumble.com/v1ze4d0-covid-19-vaccines-what-they-are-how-they-work-and-possible-causes-of-injuri.html A poor Ukrainian refugee speaking clear Russian while complaining about their bad treatment in Germany. Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 13:55 utc | 90 What a “Revelation.” Twitter’s been “shadow banning” its lumpenproletariats all along. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 9 2022 14:08 utc | 91 At 48 sec mark Griner lets us know everything we need to know about who this person is. I’d love to see what is written on on Griner’s birth certificate. My guess Bret. Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 14:17 utc | 92 “Capable of the worst, the union of certain rulers makes World War possible Posted by: bevin | Dec 9 2022 16:26 utc | 93 “It is my understanding the silk road is very old with originally Persia the middle man between China and Rome/Mediterranean. That seemed to have continued into Muslim times. Many Muslim/mixed communities springing up along the silk road or perhaps rather old communities taking up Islam. Some very old cities through the stans that were based on the silk road.” Peter AU1@82 Posted by: bevin | Dec 9 2022 16:41 utc | 94 Comments from elsewhere. This time RT: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 9 2022 16:52 utc | 95 @ Peter AU1 | Dec 9 2022 10:05 utc | 82 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 9 2022 16:54 utc | 96 @ waynorinorway | Dec 9 2022 5:24 utc | 53 Posted by: james | Dec 9 2022 17:03 utc | 97 @ bevin | Dec 9 2022 16:41 utc | 93 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 9 2022 17:04 utc | 98 Posted by: Cabe | Dec 9 2022 16:54 utc | 95 Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 9 2022 17:06 utc | 99
Obviously any wealth redistribution scheme to new entrepreneurs would not apply to true owner/operator family enterprises and would not be 100% of total family assets. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 9 2022 17:34 utc | 100 |
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