Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 15:18 utc | 197

"Covid-19: Moderna and Pfizer vaccines prevent infections as well as symptoms, CDC study finds"

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n888

Now back to the excitement of Uruguay vs. Ghana

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 16:32 utc | 201

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 16:32 utc | 201

Forgot the date of the article,

" (Published 01 April 2021) "

I think that is a very famous day in the year.

April Fools Day

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 16:34 utc | 202

That is MURDER folks.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 15:33 utc | 199

More like government and medically assisted suicide since the participants consented.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 2 2022 16:37 utc | 203

@17

I won't bother much with PlutoniumKun's comment on china. This is the guy who considered Hong Kong riots as organic. B's assessment of these recent protests much more realistic in my view.

And yes, believe it or not, many people actually love the party in China, especially among the younger generation. The middle aged people tend to be a bit more ambivalent, as they grew up in a time when western "democracy" seemed a bit more Persuasive.

Posted by: cindy6 | Dec 2 2022 16:37 utc | 204

What are called viruses are really exosomes that are produced by your body during the healing process.

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Dec 2 2022 4:28 utc | 114

I agree with everything else you wrote, but I see this lazy "viruses don't exist, it's just a detox reaction" claim everywhere recently.

Explain how rabies or chickenpox works, if there are no viruses? Does the person just go into detox and die in an incredibly specific way out of empathy for the dog? Does a whole school of kids just have an identical and unusual detox reaction all at once? And why can't they get chickenpox ever again in their life?

Posted by: Jusses | Dec 2 2022 17:08 utc | 205

Why did we have smallpox for centuries, and it never attenuated - it still killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century - if pandemics "always stop naturally after 3-5 years" and viruses always "become less lethal"?
Posted by: Tbx | Dec 2 2022 11:06 utc | 170

Because you are comparing virus that are not the same.
Smallpox is stable, Coronavirus mutate very quickly as the common flux, the Hong-Kong pandemic "vanished" as told by specialists, the 1918 pandemic also and the more recent H1N1 also, this variant replaced the old common flux variant with the same mortality.

Public data show only 1 excess mortality pike during the 1st wave and for the very old (Average of 84 old in Switzerland).
Studies show new SARS-COV2 variants are more infectious but less mortal as predicted.

The excess mortality we see now is absolutely not linked to your "apocalyptic kaboom OMG we gonna all die" virus but stupid lockdown that devastated the economy and false "vaccine" which kill young peoples under 40.
The very high excess mortality you see in USA vs best country in Europe as Sweden and Danemark is due to obesity which is a serious comorbidity factor.

Now learn at least the difference between mortality and excess mortality.

Posted by: Guillaume | Dec 2 2022 17:39 utc | 206

nor those who made the bloody vaccines EVER SAID the Covid-19 vaccinations prevented infection
Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 3:54 utc

This is absolutely hilarious at an Orwellian level.

First the name "vaccine" is the very definition of "prevent infection".
Second the lockdown of un-vaccinated make absolute no sense if the "vaccinated" are also infectious.
Third we all have a memory, it was a 24 hours per day propaganda about how this miraculous "vaccine" would prevent infection as the real vaccine do.

Posted by: Guillaume | Dec 2 2022 17:49 utc | 207

More like government and medically assisted suicide since the participants consented.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Dec 2 2022 16:37 utc

But it wasn't INFORMED CONSENT because the testing was corrupted and real side effects (something like not CLEARLY explained to each recipient. The package inserts usually intended for recipients were BLANK, so how could the syringe-holder give you the full disclosure?

Not giving all the info to constitute INFORMED CONSENT is illegal. Malfeasance. Murder.

What were MOST PEOPLE told when they got Jabbed? At most they were told it was "safe and effective" and those poor saps bought Pfizer's BS.

Here's the Pfizer document dump, still not complete.
https://icandecide.org/get-informed/?c=6&t=36

Here's the 8 pages of potential adverse effects from Pfizer's OWN "emergency use" submission.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/03/04/pfizer-documents-reveal-8-pages-of-potential-side-effects/
https://icandecide.org/get-informed/?c=6&t=36

Ya, "safe and effective".

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 18:10 utc | 208

So how do all the Covid Mafia defenders explain all those Sudden Adult Death Syndrome deaths? And a spike in myocarditis in the young?

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 15:33 utc | 199

They refuse to acknowledge any of those fact patterns either by ignoring or denying them whilst calling those who disagree morons, trolls or brainwashed.

Tolerance of differing views is a vanishing art - or virtue if you prefer...

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:08 utc | 209

The excess mortality we see now is absolutely not linked to your "apocalyptic kaboom OMG we gonna all die" virus but stupid lockdown that devastated the economy and false "vaccine" which kill young peoples under 40.

Posted by: Guillaume | Dec 2 2022 17:39 utc | 206

OK. But then we need to learn why China doesn't have such excess mortality. And do we know, anyway? Are there published figures and if so are they verifiable?

With body counts in Ukraine or with covid worldwide I don't believe any of them either way.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:11 utc | 210

[falung gong] Their suppression and murder by the godless CCP is real, and well documented, though.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 2 2022 14:11 utc | 191

Do you know of a good and not too long summary of the falong gong story?
And do you know what the reason given for suppressing them was?

I studied Tai Chi for a few months only with one of Bruce Lee's teachers in Honolulu where I was studying daoist medicine (vs TCM) at the Tai Hsuan Institute. (If I used the term 'traditional chinese medicine' they would get angry because TCM is a modern 'scientistized' version they despise and because their traditional methods were not allowed in China, hence the location of the school in Hawaii.) He told me he hadn't missed a Wednesday since starting his classes in the 1950's. Neat guy. Nearly all the 200 or so students were local Chinese but there was a small group of us whiteys from the Institute and when he corrected our posture he would explain each particular movement from the pov of the meridians and points being stimulated. Even though Taiji is a martial form, of course it's based on qigong which is Chinese yoga which has many different lineage streams. I wonder how many of the modern Taiji masters know all the inner/esoteric elements of the tradition? I believe that is the sort of thing which has been generally purged though would love to hear from someone who knows the forms and also knows China.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:35 utc | 211

https://faluninfo.net/why-is-falun-gong-is-persecuted-in-china/

Seems like an okay article, but it is written from the falung gong perspective.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:48 utc | 212

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:35 utc | 211

This comment on Quora has a convincing argument why the CCP would fear the organization, growth of membership.

"
Richard Li

Falun Gong had an innocent and benign origin. When Li founded the "practice" (really, calling it religion is giving it too much credit), it's really was just an alternate to Qi Gong and Tai Chi, with influence of Buddhism and Christianity principle. Basically Li took the best elements of the popular religions and mashed the principle with meditation and body movements from Qi Gong and Tai Chi.

The main supporters of the practice were rural farmers and retirees from both outside and inside the party. Its main appeal was that it has very low entry point. It doesn't require anyone attending a place of worship, nor does it impose strict doctrine to the practitioners. Its main meditation movements are all very easily accomplished without demanding too much physically and mentally.

Basically it's a poor man's antidote to address the lack of religious freedom and hollow social life so prevalent in that era.

And it had huge followings. At its peak, it was rumored the cult had close to 20 million followers with membership permeated throughout China's social and political institutions.

And this is the cult's greatest undoing. Falun Gong had become the second largest organised organisation besides the CCP.

This is not good news for the CCP. Had Falun Gong remained disorganised, without a prominent leader, things might have been different. But the truth is, Li had created a de facto party, a party that worships him as a benevolent demi-god. He made himself into a modern era Chairman Mao. With the membership, he wielded the power to challenge the party in absolute terms.

Not that he would, but still, the threat is there and CCP could feel the presence within its ranks too.

So it started maginalise Falun Gong, first by banning its publications and membership status to the Qi Gong Association, then by more aggressive talk-down campaigns through threats to its party membership base.

Then Falun Gong made another huge mistake.

In April, 1999, almost 11 years after 6.4 incident. Close to 20,000 Falun Gong practitioners rallied outside Zhongnanhai, the seat of power of the CCP in Beijing. The rally wanted the CCP to lift the bans on the practice and revert its decision to classify Falun Gong as a 'Evil Cult'.

Well, it worked in the exact opposite way. CCP was shocked at the efficiency, effectiveness and cleverness of the cult's ability to organise such a big rally right under the nose of the party. In fact, should the CCP had known of the rally, it would never have happened. The rally proved once for all, that Falun Gong is not a force to be trifled with. It had serious potential to threaten the CCP's stability to rule the country. With swiftness and ruthless efficiency not even seen during the 6.4 incident, the cult is wiped clean from China.

This my friend, is why Falun Gong is banned in China.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the Cult. I think the Falun Gong today is so deviated from its original goal no one can call it a harmless practice anymore. Nowadays it's more concerned with toppling the Chinese government and dig dirts on Chinese government officials. It has truly become a cult with impurity in its heart.

But truth be told, and one should know about its history."

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 20:07 utc | 213

re: Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 20:07 utc | 213

Well, that was a good anti-falun gong take.
Here are the numbers on the faluninfo site:

They claim 70 - 100,000,000 making it larger at the time than the 60,000,000 CCP (how they write it!).

There is some sort of dynamic wherein regime is threatened by religion or religiosity which might undermine their totalitarian tendency to control scope of thinking and belief, that the State must be the highest authority in the life of every citizen. Or some such. Why are they threatened by Truth, Compassion and Forebearance with simple moving meditations? Why the torture, the imprisonments?

Or is it all a Big Lie cooked up by CIA etc.? From my own limited experience of Chinese who left because they couldn't practice or teach their spiritual arts, I tend to favor the notion that the CPC is fascist (union of state and corporate/business power) with totalitarian leanings. But I really don't know.

But the Falon Gong story doesn't look good. Did they organize armed rebellions? If not, then arresting millions of them is wrong. Period.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 20:21 utc | 214

143: Covid happens to be a real bug--virus specifically. I got it three months ago - karlof

How do you know any of these three statements to be true?

To the snowflake boomer moderating and deleting comments: pay attention, you might learn something.

Posted by: gunterh | Dec 2 2022 20:36 utc | 215

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 20:21 utc | 214

Just look at the amount of trouble a dispute at Foxconn can generate. Now take 20 million under control of one guy. I'd say there is something to worry about which Lenin and Company finely demonstrated. China with its huge population is a different animal as compared to say Sweden when it comes to maintaining stability. Hence the rules in China a different in terms of how the State reacts to internal threats.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 20:40 utc | 216

I focus on trends, not opinions. Here's the trend:

Then:
USSR, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania, China, Vietnam, N Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Laos, plus a half dozen minor nations in African and elsewhere.

Now:
China, Vietnam, N Korea, Cuba, Laos.
Posted by: ebear | Dec 1 2022 20:47 utc

Now: SCO, BRICS, AIIB (over 100 member countries), SPFS (52 foreign organizations from 12 countries, including banks from the Germany, Switzerland, France, Japan, Sweden), UnionPay (China-owned, can be used in 181 countries)

And these lists are growing, not shrinking.

So Russia is NOT increasingly isolated like US/ZATO mythology claims.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 20:44 utc | 217

"Ivermectin ALONE could have saved AT LEAST 80% of those that died "from covid"."
Old canadian@199

In a thread positively pullulating with idiocy and illogical theorising that assertion comes quite close to standing alone.
Congratulations.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 2 2022 21:31 utc | 218

Hence the rules in China a different in terms of how the State reacts to internal threats.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 20:40 utc | 216

So you think a religious group promoting peace and good health of twenty million (I think it was more like seventy million which outnumbered the CPC membership of sixty million) should be suppressed and people put into labor camps because: China is big and has to do things differently?

Sorry. Wrong is wrong.
Unless they really WERE a subversive, evil group. But if they weren't - and I very much doubt something that spread rapidly across a population that way was a subversive evil group since such a thing wouldn't catch on that way - then what has happened to them is not only wrong, but it puts the lie to all this talk about CPC being the latest and greatest enlightened model for the world to follow.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 21:43 utc | 219

In a thread positively pullulating with idiocy and illogical theorising that assertion comes quite close to standing alone.
Congratulations.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 2 2022 21:31 utc | 218

Those who have followed the dozens of studies on ivermectin could say the same about that remark of yours.

It seems to me that those who are so arrogant in putting down other commenters from on high are so biased that they cannot countenance opposing views. Such bias is usually the result of shallow view. So any differing opinion is regarded as a threat. Since good manners and logic won't apply (because the opinion is ill-founded hearsay), stoop to insult is the chosen modus operandi.

Hence a remark like this:

In a thread positively pullulating with idiocy and illogical theorising that assertion comes quite close to standing alone.
Congratulations.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 21:47 utc | 220

I believe that is the sort of thing which has been generally purged though would love to hear from someone who knows the forms and also knows China.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 19:35 utc | 211

There are many Chinese born and trained Masters of various schools of TCm and Chi Gong in Australia. I know 4 personally. These are advanced practitioners, and otehrds still living in China travel freely around the world.

So much for the Purge eh?

Not everyone who leaves a country to live somewhere else hates their country or is afraid of their government.

Although modern medicine has government backing these days in China (Scientific materialism is a world wide religion after all)

TCM and all forms of Martial and healing arts are still taught and practiced in. China. My Chinese friend who trained in China recently, said that unfortunately TCM practitioners have to get a medical degree to practice TCM legally or practice in a hospital, but many still practice under the radar
The situation in Australia is the same, more and more natural healing arts are being forced into the western science paradigm and degrees are more and more mandatory. I think this trend is sad whereever it is happening. It is humanities loss.

Falun Gong is a US colour revolution operation. The purge of Falun Gong is real and I've heard it hurt the Chi Gong movement greatly in China by name association only. Nathan Rich, and American living in China, on YouTube did a good exposee of it some years ago and many others have as well.

Posted by: K | Dec 2 2022 22:24 utc | 221

Posted by: K | Dec 2 2022 22:24 utc | 221

Of course TCM is practiced in China. It's the official form of Traditional Chinese Medicine purged of all the esoteric underpinnings. Of course Tai Chi is practiced widely. My question was about if the esoterics are still being transmitted from which the fighting forms developed.

You have no idea what I'm talking about and your rebuttals show it!

Thanks for the video recommendation. But a bald, tattooed Jewish guy mouthing off with creepy background music.... well, I got through the first minute but that was it.

I never met anyone from Falun Gong and until I do I'll reserve opinion one way or another.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 22:48 utc | 222

Falun Gong:

You are all acting like this is the first time a legitimate group was co-opted and turned into a subversive movement.

Political parties, religions, fraternal clubs... all fair game in the minds of the Rothschild-class and their innumerable minions.

What's the first thing the cops do if they think a group is getting too extensive or influential? They infiltrate. After that, the group invariably is torn down or turned into a weapon.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 22:50 utc | 223

And too often, the "grassroots" people have no idea tha ttheir party has been turned against them.

Take the NDP in Canada. A succession of Liberal moles (Rae, Mulcaire, Singh) seized the leadership and incrementally made the NDP a WEF-tool, supporting a 1992 WEF grad and a person who is called by her first name by Klaus Schwab.

I have tried to explain this to my dyed-in-the-wool NDP neighbours and they just refuse to see the proof before their eyes.

So ya, it happens.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 22:54 utc | 224

It is very laughable what terms are being used and more laughable how easy people believe lies. If residents of only ONE block of a ONE 20-block compound decide to have a chat outside the street, that would cause even a much bigger gathering than the “massive” protest the media is claiming.

China is in the process of relaxing restriction, that’s for sure. There are even some news of halting all make shift hospitals and quarantines facilities in Guangzhou. What I keep thinking of is whether all this is within a planned process of opening up, or was it accelerated after the few people in guangzhou who tried to reject the restrictions.

Almost three years of covid control. It should never be underestimated how people might react in a sudden way especially those who are indeed being affected either physiologically from prolonged quarantines, or who are affected financially. Again social stability is as important as any other health aspect of the whole thing, and I do think the chinese government is balancing things and trying to find the best way out.

I think the common people are accepting the fact that their country is relaxing restriction. The trending phrase between people and the media is “from now on your own health your own responsibility”. Off course the government will always be in charge of people’s health, but that phrase reflect the common people’s gratitude to what the government has done so far and they are ready to move on to be back to normal life as before the covid.

Posted by: Man | Dec 2 2022 23:30 utc | 225

What's the first thing the cops do if they think a group is getting too extensive or influential? They infiltrate. After that, the group invariably is torn down or turned into a weapon.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 2 2022 22:50 utc | 223

That makes sense. Dunno why but I never wanted to read about the Falun Gong story and after spending an hour or two today - mainly reading the founder's Zhuan Falun https://en.falundafa.org/eng/zfl_2018.html.

The political angle is interesting but always presented with great pro or con bias and so tedious. The spiritual angle just doesn't interest me since am not Chinese. What I read from Zuhan Falun seems quite scattered, at least in terms of doctrine, and if I want that sort of thing I'd stay with traditional texts and also the Tibetan tradition which has a far better interface with Westerners. So will return to not exploring their story any further.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 23:33 utc | 226

Kit Knightly in Off-Guardian sums the China situation as follows:

China’s “zero covid” approach forms a vital piece of the overall pandemic narrative, working in conjunction with Western governments as a deliberately stark contrast:

It promotes the idea that vaccines work and helped prevent further lockdowns here.
It shines a flattering light on Western governments, who appear less draconian by comparison.
It serves as an argument for the effectiveness of lockdowns and other authoritarian measures.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 2 2022 23:42 utc | 227

The gullibility connection: How do the “Joe Rogans” in the media decide where to be skeptical and where to be credulous? Remember the The Chestertonian Principle.

tl;dr extreme skepticism is a form of credulity.

We see that on this site every single thread.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 3 2022 0:04 utc | 228

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Dec 3 2022 0:04 utc | 228

“The fact that the medical establishment is broadly united in its position that there’s no evidence ivermectin works to treat COVID is exactly why so many of the most gullible people in America believe it does work to treat COVID.”

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Your article is all about media and people being gullible but has almost nothing about ivermectin.

I couldn't find an old article I read listing many different ivermectin studies conducted after covid, but this one did pop up after a search. It references a large study with 88,000 people. Many drug trials have less than 100.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/09/05/the-covid-pandemic-was-entirely-unnecessary-cures-were-available-the-medical-profession-is-responsible-for-the-murders-of-huge-and-growing-numbers-of-people/

The study page:
https://www.cureus.com/articles/111851-regular-use-of-ivermectin-as-prophylaxis-for-covid-19-led-up-to-a-92-reduction-in-covid-19-mortality-rate-in-a-dose-response-manner-results-of-a-prospective-observational-study-of-a-strictly-controlled-population-of-88012-subjects?email_share=true&expedited_modal=true

There is much more than this study. Fact is, use of ivermectin and HCQ was deliberately curtailed since otherwise they couldn't get Emergency Use authorization for the new tech non-vaccine shots.

It's very obvious.
But some are too entrenched in a differing opinion to see.
And love to call others gullible who think differently.
Really: who is being gullible?!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:06 utc | 229

Every other day the FUKUSA are leading an inquisition on China in the UN,...
Tibet, Uighurs, HK, all that jazz.

wESTern MSM are conducting trial by consensus on China...24x7

At MOA, the scorpion brigade are hijacking the entire thread, grilling ,.the great satan b and the barflies over 'CPC malfeasance'
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UNCLE SHAM...

We will know our misdirection is complete when everybody is talking about the great satan how 'Totalitarian China sucks ...

Posted by: denk | Dec 3 2022 1:29 utc | 230

Posted by: denk | Dec 3 2022 1:29 utc | 230

Rinky dinky denky troll is back, obsessed as usual with Western MSM lies....
as if it's some sort of great insight that western MSM tells them...

Of course it's beyond rinky dinky denky troll's scope of imagination to consider the possibility that his hero CPC crew tell the occasional lie because we all know that everything they say is totally true and pure and clean and trustworthy.

And anyone who disagrees is worthy of insult on b's board which rinky dinky trolly denk apparently regards as his own!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:40 utc | 231

@ Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:40 utc | 231 who refuses to go away even when being shown to be a complete ass repeatedly

I want to do a shout out to the techies in the bar to come up with a script that can rip these threads and show the volume of textual gibberish that barfly Scorpion spews on the floor in relation to others spewers like SeanAU.

Are we sure we are sure we are sure we are sure we are sure we are sure we are sure that the Western form of social organization with global private finance at the core is worse than the RoW?

Scorpion is a purveyor of agnotology and has to be paid to look this bad consistently.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2022 2:00 utc | 232

And anyone who disagrees is worthy of insult ...

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:40 utc | 231
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Who's talking about CPC the angel on earth ?

Its about scorpion the misdirection agent...a well documented fact.
https://tinyurl.com/2es8xx3b

yOU ARE THE one using ad hominem insults all the time.

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on b's board which rinky dinky trolly denk apparently regards as his own!
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HMMM
wasnt the scorpion who warn us not to
piss it off...unless we'd wanna pony up
to make up for its apparently big ticket contribution to MOA ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 3 2022 2:02 utc | 233

Funny, "denk"'s usual MO = ad hominem + bad language, followed by zero arguments or hyperlinks.
Big pot calling a little kettle black.

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 3 2022 2:19 utc | 234

falon gong is like radio free europe - fully cia funded and operated...

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2022 2:46 utc | 235

anyone who disagrees is worthy of insult on b's board which rinky dinky trolly denk apparently regards as his own!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:40 utc | 231

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Hmmm,,
Wasnt it the scorpion who demands the entire forum for his lordship's own pleasure ?

'When the perfidious albion and their gringo cousins whine about the yellow peril, its classic bandits crying robbery.

You barged into MOA to push this western trope and demand immunity from challenge ,some cheek !

How's your fear of the proliferating chinaman different from the likes of Borell, Russell, Churchill or this NObel lauriet...'

https://tinyurl.com/y8bxn2e7

Posted by: denk | Dec 3 2022 2:48 utc | 236

Posted by: Surferket | Dec 2 2022 11:44 utc | 172 re CPC announcement.

It's the same information, I recognise some of the phrasing. It just surfaced here yesterday so it must be common knowledge hereabouts now. It's from the Shenzhen Daily WeChat subscription. I see it was posted in Henan dated yesterday too, so it must have gone nationwide. I hope the trolls fully recognise the facts and acknowledge what the central government has done.

Hands up. I have to admit that I have been sceptical about the various locking up claims I have seen but must accept some at least were true. I guess we are lucky here that there has been no suggestion of such acts that I have been aware of. Lockdowns have been applied sensitively, we haven't had our apartment block locked down for ages and when there was a case here recently, unexpectedly they just locked down the one floor. As for the corruption behind the pcr testing, we have had extended periods with no positives so that seems to deny any. Numbers have climbed again recently though, consistently over 200 a day now, but as I have said we are a populations of 18 million.

Good to get news from you. Will catch up on the rest of the thread now.

Posted by: Walt | Dec 3 2022 2:59 utc | 237

Tom_12 | Dec 2 2022 16:32 utc | 201

A very good find Tom. I hear you and know why you use that, it is a good example. well done. Ya got me there. I should never say never. :)

I do understand what that says - and what you / anyone would have taken from that if you saw it at the time. The original study report btw is here https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

But it is unfortunate. It's somewhat misleading at face value which is why I say unfortunate but it is the CDC saying what I said it didn't say - which is embarrassing to me - because it is them saying "Authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective for preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in real-world conditions."

And yet it is problematic as in misleading at the same time. Because the vaccines did not prevent infection as the recorded 20% and 10% of cases noted in the study.

There is no control on the group in that the entire group were not all definitely exposed to Coronavirus ... it was the luck of the draw in real world circumstances. If not exposed, then they would not have tested positive in the PCR test. Right?

In that sense it is not entirely definitive this study - it is not really testing what it said it tested. There is no medical researcher control over the taking of samples each week ensuring proper procedures were followed. That's not that big a deal as the findings as they say are statistically significant between vaccinated and non-vaccinated anyway.

And they only did (RT-PCR) testing not full blood test antibody testing for coronavirus. That is the only guaranteed way to know for certain had any of them actually become infected with coronavirus. These studies didn't do that because it's inconvenient complicated and more expensive. How they did it was enough to show sufficient statistical differences.

The thing about " infections " to Coronavirus, once one " catches the virus " it immediately begins to replicate in the body. There is a level at which that infection has to grow to be present in the nasal passages and able to be detected by the testing regime (RT-PCR).

This is the initial part of the basic process of the COVID-19 "disease" itself. People with good immune response reduce the effects, vaccinated or not. The variations are great. So the study was not really evaluating who did or did not get exposed to and "catch coronavirus" - they were measuring how many ended up producing enough virus in their own bodies for that to be recorded in a PCR test.

Those vaccinated showed overall and greater propensity to fight that initial infection and stop or slow the virus from replicating as it normally would. Doing what the c=vaccine was designed to do - to fight the disease progression - not block being infected.

It is unfortunate that the paper and reports did not clarify these things ... but they did what they did keeping it simple.

iow I am suggesting they are being loose with the whole truth in this one-off study with medical staff. But I totally get the confusion it causes. Confusion, distorting, misinformation from all kinds of sources was rampant the whole time.

You found another good example here - but I'm digging in anyway - Going back to the quotes above from the CDC/WHO etc they still do not say in their public advice Vaccination prevents infection - because they cannot say that. Being vaccinated does not make one automatically immune to the virus nor stops people from being infected by it, or stop spreading the virus onto to others - even if they are vaccinated.

It all depends ..... thanks for ref!

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 3:23 utc | 238

One possible reason that CPC treated Falun Gong with "abundance of caution" is that at least two Chinese dynasties had fallen as a result of uprisings guided by a Taoist sect, which Falun Gong is. And you can many other mystic movements with dire consequences, Taipings (kind of like Latter Days Saints movement in China, the leader was a "Christian prophet"), to understand the following passage in the legal code of the last imperial dynasty:

Great Qing Legal Code, which contained the following section until 1912:
“[A]ll societies calling themselves at random White Lotus, communities of the Buddha Maitreya, or the Ming ts'un religion (Manichaeans), or the school of the White Cloud, etc., together with all who carry out deviant and heretical practices, or who in secret places have prints and images, gather the people by burning incense, meeting at night and dispersing by day, thus stirring up and misleading people under the pretext of cultivating virtue, shall be sentenced.”

For that matter, 2-3 sects were exterminated by American authorities in America, so it is not just feudals and communists...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2022 3:42 utc | 239

Your post evidences a habit common in internet communication these days: a willingness to judge others from on high and talk down to them. Just sayin'...
Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 13:28 utc | 186

then i am sorry, especially i was intentionally making a effort to choose my words and review how i spoke so i did not come across like that. i need more practice.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:04 utc | 240

Just heard, confirmed on the news. Mandatory daily pcr testing stopped entirely in Shenzhen, though entry to food markets needs a 72 hour test. Just have to show green health code otherwise.

"Freedom day" (Boris Johnson :-)

Posted by: Walt | Dec 3 2022 4:11 utc | 241

@Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 13:28 utc | 186

NO worries. I'm much more leary of any govt that would not ban $cientlogy and who would arrest or seek to imprison Julian Assange and Edward Snowdon and anyone of their ilk. This thread is too much for me to continue. Cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:16 utc | 242

@ Old canadian | 199 I am not buying all that hype.

The excess deaths began spiking within days of Coronavirus appearing in NYC. Start there and go forward. Or start back in Italy.

Myocarditis and other heart issues appeared before the vaccines appeared, and have continued in those who have contracted covid-19. My best friend who did not trust the vaccines, and for good reason, they were never fully tested like normal vaccines are, long term looking for longer term side effects, died of heart failure a year after catching covid19 which he said was the worse illness he had ever had in his life, and in the middle of it wished he was dead.

Sure, just an anecdote, but people who have access to health data know all about the side effects of actually getting sick with covid. It's not good. Long covid is not good. Side effects that arise form the vaccination mRNA especially are not good either. But the other old style vaccines are fine (iirc) There is never anything definitive and perfect in medicine or health care. It is not physics. Too many variables and holes in the "system". There is a lot wrong with it. And with public health services - but it is what we have, it's what the govts are left with to then decide wtf to do about pandemics etc.

Vaccines did not cause the covid19 pandemic nor the excess deaths from that disease all over the world. It's delusional and stupid to say otherwise. But that just me. What can I say. :)

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Sandokhan | Dec 2 2022 12:53 utc | 176

WEll thanks, but I don't see the relevance between my comment and your very detailed treatise. I'll pass because it all went over the top of my head. I am not a medical scientist. Take care.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:34 utc | 243

That being said, I do believe, without hard accessible evidence, that it was the USA Military Medicos Bioweapons researchers et al who created the Coronavirus and intentionally released it inside China. I don't accept the lab accident scenario in Wuhan. A too convenient a plausible decoy. I believe people had died from covid19 before Wuhan was known about, in the US and in Europe and inside China.

If you need to trust anyone on this trust the Chinese to eventually get to the bottom of it.
OR
I truly believe Jeffery Sachs about the origins of Coronavirus. 15 Jun 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rRBuX4U0DU&t=746s

You can take that to the bank imho. One of the most trustworthy people on this planet. But that's just me.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:46 utc | 244

@Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 2 2022 14:11 utc | 192

"I was taught T'ai chi and Chi-gong by a Falun Gong master. He had nothing to do with the CIA."

Lol. Ok retard.

"Their suppression and murder by the godless CCP is real, and well documented, though."

Good. Weird cultists that are fronts for American intelligence should be suppressed and murdered. Anyone who defends the USA deserves nothing less.

Posted by: FVK | Dec 3 2022 8:45 utc | 245

@Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 20:21 utc | 214

"But the Falon Gong story doesn't look good. Did they organize armed rebellions? If not, then arresting millions of them is wrong. Period."

Why is it wrong? China is not a western liberal country and has never claimed to be a western liberal country. You white people can join stupid cults and stick things up your rectums as much as you want back in your shitty irrelevant little liberal continent of Europe. China has no reason to bend to your white supremacist western chauvinist moralizing about what you believe is "wrong" or not.

Posted by: FVK | Dec 3 2022 8:57 utc | 246

I truly believe Jeffery Sachs about the origins of Coronavirus. 15 Jun 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rRBuX4U0DU&t=746s

You can take that to the bank imho. One of the most trustworthy people on this planet. But that's just me.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:46 utc | 244

Yes, he's good. But it is also known/reported way back that there was US funding which implies connection and Wuhan was a known Corona development center and earlier a Chinese was arrested smuggling vials of virus from Canadian biolab. My personal working theory is that this has been a globalista coordinated affair with two sides pointing fingers at the other which suits each regime well for public consumption. Meanwhile it serves a globalista agenda as any world wide crisis demanding coordinated world wide response will do. Next up: world wide regulation because: climate.

That it is biolab enhanced seems a fair bet.
That it was released deliberately is unknown but probable. (Some say it was out in 2019 in the States. I know 4 people including self who got a terrible 6-week flu back then on Southern East Coast. Felt like almost about to die.)

That the response included suppressing effective prophylactics is certain. The leading French epidemiologist released his results early on because of which I bought HCQ before Trump's 2-week shut down speech and used when came down with something very bad in town filled with Italians on holiday. Now as of a month or two ago it's controlled and a local doctor told me it's a corticosteroid so he won't prescribe it for Lyme as thousands of others do in US. Ivermectina is only to get rid of fleas, he says, but still available over the counter here so I can get it. In any case, gross medical criminality in play by suppressing their off label use. No excuse.

The shots seemingly have high levels of poor to fatal outcomes with no official response other than General lack of studies or any other evaluations. Like voting machines, since they are a commercial product from private sector they cannot legally be examined. That in itself should make it unacceptable to be put into billions of living bodies moreover every few months. Miraculously people believe that something which only has 2-3 month efficacy works!

But if we've learned one thing of late it's that people will believe pretty much anything. Including that 50+ million Chinese civilians exercising in parks are doing the bidding of the CIA.

That said it makes sense that an atheist regime which discourages religion without control by CPC officials would want to discourage cults. They are indeed a dangerous phenomena especially for such a regime. Usually cults are mainly only a danger to themselves. Even though it seems quasi totalitarian to me in some respects, have an open mind since governing 1.5 billion is a different order of magnitude to western nations who are royally Effing up of late, most in positively evil ways.

@osycho.yes I posted too much yesterday which said would try to tone down and generally do. Interesting discussions, though. Have seen many threads when you put in high volume nr of posts as well, some quite long. I scroll past since you are an impolite commenter with little to say. You should do the same with mine. You will benefit psychologically from the practice despite your absurd and long ago disproven materialist superstitions about the nature of mind being an epiphenomenon of the physical body-brain.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 12:50 utc | 247

@Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 12:50 utc | 247

"Including that 50+ million Chinese civilians exercising in parks are doing the bidding of the CIA"

Why is this hard to believe? We have the example of the USA, which is an entire country of 350+ million brainless retards doing the bidding of the CIA.

We have the European Union, over 400 million brainless retards doing the bidding of the CIA.

It should not be hard to understand that China also has a few million brainless retards (much fewer than the west, of course).

Posted by: FVK | Dec 3 2022 13:21 utc | 248

Richard Steven Hack@228 cites the Chestertonian Principle "Extreme skepticism is a form of credulity."

Chesterton was both amusing and sentimental, very skilled at writing either or both. But he was also a right-wing propagandist. Oh, he had some hare-brained verbal commitment to something called "Distributivism," the details of which I've long forgotten. But this was more sentimentality since it wasn't a real-life political activity. With this saying, Chesterton is not taking aim at credulity, at least not credulity when it comes to accepting Roman Catholic dogman He's taking aim at anybody so foolish as to believe that science has undermined religious claims about the world. The guy who wrote The Man Who Was Thursday did not have powerful reservations about skepticism. His friend Belloc was very good about using historical skepticism to advance Catholic revisionist history if I remember correctly. There have always been apparently people whose intuition was that there was no Providence, that when you die you're gone and similar practical materialist propositions. Those are the people Chesterton accuses of "credulity."

My belief is that radical epistemological skepticism is always right-wing. In popular discourse, it turns into smarmy piety about how people have different viewpoints and judgment has to be reserved and opposing viewpoints have to be held in mind and all many of evasions. (Think of a typical Scorpion comment.) But science is not just from the Latin for "knowledge," science is about how can know some things [the experience of other people and measurement are two very common ways] and about some ideas can be based on genuine knowledge [the laws of motion and thermodynamics or plate tectonics or evolution are examples]which thereby have a claim to our rational assent and use in further investigation---while those concepts that are not so based [such as philosophical claims about Platonic forms or how ideas from nowhere can be considered historical causes are examples] cannot be claimed to be knowledge, even "provisionally." [Personally, I prefer "corrigibility" with the emphasis on how only tested experience and other scientific methods can count as corrections.]

Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 3 2022 13:35 utc | 249

Posted by: FVK | Dec 3 2022 13:21 utc | 248
It was well said a couple weeks ago that ‘Scorpion is not sincere’.
I agree with that but certainly your call or anyone else’s on whether or not to engage in dialogue.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 3 2022 13:54 utc | 250

@ psychohistorian | Dec 3 2022 2:00 utc | 232

@ Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 1:40 utc | 231 who refuses to go away even when being shown to be a complete ass repeatedly.

I want to do a shout out to the techies in the bar to come up with a script that can rip these threads and show the
volume of textual gibberish that barfly Scorpion spews on the floor in relation to others spewers like SeanAU.

Scorpion is a purveyor of agnotology and has to be paid to look this bad consistently.

(First of all thanks for the word ‘agnotology’. It’s exactly the word
I’ve been searching for to describe Scorpion’s method.)

Then, thanks for calling out both the volume and the gibberish coming from Scorpion.
Bravo psychohistorian! A double shot of aquavit has been ordered.

Yeah, if someone could do some stats on Scorpion’s postings I’m sure it would be enlightening.
I’ve done a couple of threads and it was just over the top. But I’m not a techie and I do have a life
so please, if someone volunteers it would be welcome.

The postings by Scorpion have degraded the comment section here at MoA more than
any other poster in the 8 -10 years I’ve been following b and hanging out in the bar.
I suspect that is the intent and the reason why Scorpion ‘refuses to go away even when
being shown to be a complete ass repeatedly’.

It’s time people got angry about Scorpion’s conduct.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 3 2022 14:00 utc | 251

The US should colorize only small countries, or better yet only its own states. Bring them back into the obedient fold. Rules-Based Home Rule will be hard enough, as I read the soured political mood of that fallen-down country.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 1 2022 18:05 utc | 10

Elmagnostic misses the point that colorization of constituent states of USA was already done. For example, I live in a "purple" state that borders three "blue states" and two "red". But, sadly, this aesthetic system is still missing in some countries, so there is a lot that has to be done.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 3 2022 14:01 utc | 252

Vaccines did not cause the covid19 pandemic nor the excess deaths from that disease all over the world. It's delusional and stupid to say otherwise. But that just me. What can I say. :)

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Sandokhan | Dec 2 2022 12:53 utc

I am not sure how you managed to twist your "reality" to this position but let me bullet point it for you:

1) It has been amply proven the original Sars-cov-2 virus had a deadly spike protein appended to it IN A LAB. This is no longer in doubt, so stop pretending as if this did not happen.
2) The woman in charge of the Wuhan lab did a strain analysis of the original virus AND IT DID NOT MATCH ANY STRAINS UNDER INVESTIGATION AT THE WUHAN LAB. The MSM/twitterverse ignored and demonized this information, and is still trying to "blame China".
3) The Military Games in Wuhan coincided with the appearance of Covid in Wuhan. The US team came in something like 35th, so not sending their best athletes.
4) The lockdown/mask mandates were proven to NOT BE EFFECTIVE, ONLY HARMFUL in exhaustive studies done after the "Spanish" Flu. This reality was ignored by virtually every gov't on the planet, only to have it proven AGAIN.
5) The Pfizer Jab "studies" are now being proven to have been deliberately manipulated and known adverse event info withheld from the public, proven BY PFIZER'S OWN DOCUMENTATION, which they tried to BURY FOR 70 YEARS.
6) OF COURSE there was some increase in excess deaths due to SARS2/covid itself, but the real spike did not take off until the Jabs were introduced. This is reflected in the data of all countries which mandated the Jabs.
7) The never-before-seen-clots and other increased post mortem anomalies started after the Jabs were introduced.

This shows that nearly everyone in a position of authority either outright lied or was willfully blind (or incompetent, take your pick).

I have repeatedly pointed MoA readers to thehighwire as a reliable source of fully transparent and curated Covid/Jab documentation, US legal wins and research results. You can follow the timeline of sars2/covid and the gov't over-reach if you go back through the archives there.
https://thehighwire.com/

After having this put before you, you are now in the business of knowingly spreading mis-/disinformation (aka LIES).

We tried to be nice, but sometimes a blunt approach is required to get the most recalcitant subjects to pay attention to reality.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 3 2022 14:51 utc | 253

I truly believe Jeffery Sachs about the origins of Coronavirus. 15 Jun 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rRBuX4U0DU&t=746s

You can take that to the bank imho. One of the most trustworthy people on this planet. But that's just me.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 4:46 utc

Sach starts out well, I agree the evidence points to a US-CONTROLLED LAB doing the dirty work.

But I part ways with this being a blameless "blunder". This didn't "just happen". The Alpha strain didn't walk itself to the Wuhan market or public transit from whatever lab it was created in. The gov'ts of the world didn't "just decide" to impose lockdowns and masks.

It was planned, it was, and continues to be, deliberate. The "how could we possibly have known" propaganda is now on full display, along with "we should not worry about the past, we need to JUST move on from this" BS.

I am against capital punishment, but in this case, it seems the only solution to the larger problem. This unpunished crimes against humanity crap has to stop.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 3 2022 15:05 utc | 254

waynorinorway and psychohistorian...

thanks.. ditto both your views on scorpion... i just skip the posts, but others engage which makes for more skipping, lol...

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2022 16:11 utc | 255

@james, #255:

Like you, I concur with waynorinorway and psychohistorian's assessment of scorpian. But unlike you, I still read his/her postings from time to time; just for the fun of seeing a different view from mine.

I don't think the nick is employed by one person alone. I think there are a few rotating the use of this nick. The writing style, and sometimes even the points made, show variations that are ostensible. This applies to antonym also. Used to be antonym's prose style was unmistakably Indian. No more. These days antonym exhibits a prose style very much American (as opposed to, say, European or British). I think these two are indeed trolls participating here on payrolls. If true, there may be many others in the same mode, not necessarily employed by the same political clan.

If b's blog has attracted political entities to pay and subvert its operation, I think it's actually a compliment to the blog's efficacy.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 3 2022 18:13 utc | 256

It was planned, it was, and continues to be, deliberate. The "how could we possibly have known" propaganda is now on full display, along with "we should not worry about the past, we need to JUST move on from this" BS.

I am against capital punishment, but in this case, it seems the only solution to the larger problem. This unpunished crimes against humanity crap has to stop.
Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 3 2022 15:05 utc | 254

I'm inclined that way too.

That it is biolab enhanced seems a fair bet.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 12:50 utc | 247

That wuhan was doing coronavirus bio-research is not in itself a red flag due to sars meh etc . The whole field has been active due to previous epidemics from cross over species. that wuhan received partial joint funding from us medico/govt sources is no big deal in and of itself either , because that is global reality afaik/seen. there are other activities that do cross the line by the us/uk ... like novichok and the multiple ukrainian biolabs and their activities.

As per Turkey providing chem weapons in Syria to rebels and western proxies. (rat line, red line S Hersch and others)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 21:28 utc | 257

A brief summary of what I said about C19 over the years, .

Firstly, FUKUSA aka AUKUS have been waging covert/overt wars on China ever since 1949, 17C in fact, if we wanna go right back to the Opium wars.
Including bio/chem warfare in the Korean war, to SARS, birdflu H5N1, H7N9, swine flu, ...

Even when C19 was still a small news item on page 20 ,about a virus breakout in Wuhan, during the heat of Trump's trade war , I knew it's another bio attack on China,,,......just like I knew it's a CIA/MI6./ASIO terrorism the moment I heard the news broadcast of MH370, a MAL airliner 'dissappeared' outta thin air, with 150 Chinese nationals onboard.

This shit came right after Trump's two year long trade war blitzkrieg failed to break China, when a tsunami of bird flu, swine flu, army worms [native to North America] were wreaking havoc all across China...

Accident my ass !

Ian Fleming's fundamental law of probability..
Once is a happentence, twice a coincidence, thrice ...Enemy action !

Next question..whodunit ?

detective 101..
WHO has the motive ?
WHO has the means ?
WHO has the track record ?

It all points to YOU KNOW WHO.

Elementary, Watson.

Of course This is no smoking gun.
But it trumps all the BS theory thrown at us by the USAss cabal.

Posted by: denk | Dec 4 2022 3:53 utc | 258

I agree with the color revolution vibes and cheerleading in the west. But that doesent take away the extreme bravery and desperation these people feel. Just because most fear and keep their heads low doesent mean they suffer. I actually think it’s a serious warning shot for the ccp. Locking down people like cattle is not a solution. Social cohesion can and will break and show itself in other places and constellations. I hope that the people get some relief at least and some realistic options to live a normal life. The west at that point can not be taken serious anymore - but that doesent mean we should ignore the peoples plight. If they can show some resistance and some lines that won’t crossed than we also benefit from that.

Posted by: Jan | Dec 4 2022 11:20 utc | 259

3) The Military Games in Wuhan coincided with the appearance of Covid in Wuhan. The US team came in something like 35th, so not sending their best athletes.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 3 2022 14:51 utc | 253

This one rang the bell even louder for me that Con-19 was Deep State operation.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11565077/fears-coronavirus-europe-october-french-athletes-military-games-wuhan/

Zika, Swine flue, Bird flue etc. were test runs. While this one was simply too convenient in how it was synchronized in the time frame of events,

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/event201/about

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 4 2022 11:33 utc | 260

That wuhan was doing coronavirus bio-research is not in itself a red flag

As per Turkey providing chem weapons in Syria to rebels and western proxies. (rat line, red line S Hersch and others)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 21:28 utc

Really doing the "I agree with you, sorta" then change the subject ploy.

The Fraudci "funding Wuhan with US money" was to ensure the the "blame China for covid" tactic had MSM/"gov't inquiry" legs. $600,000 is a tiny drop in the bucket in the Scamdemic costs. Chump change in US gov't largesse.

And of course Fraudci and his minions will next play the "how could we have known what those untrustworthy, inscrutable Chinese were up to" card as required. The problem with that is the scientist who ran the lab already checked their lab strains against Alpha and they didn't match. That info has been MSM buried, but Fraudci and co. know not to shine the spotlight TOO brightly on China as a re-examination would not be favourable to their CYA narrative.

Nice trick trying to append the content of the last line above to my post. I never mentioned chem weapons... EVER, let alone in Syria. Let's talk about CIA-controlled BIOWEAPON LABS IN UKRAINE INSTEAD.

Begone troll, it is obvious your mission is to render MoA ineffective by filling the comments with deliberately contorted BS. Brought over some of your compatriots who lost their comfy "shooting fish in a barrel" perches at Twitter. They won't find it easy here.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 4 2022 14:51 utc | 261

It's interesting how the current bifurcation of supply chains and more is kind of a more drastic version of the initial dynamic kicked off by the Trump Tariffs. I think his team was into multipolarity which is partly why his adversaries they drove a wedge between him and Russia.

I didn't read about the Wuhan lab strains being different. I did read a Chinese expert saying they matched. Many different credible stories. Have always assumed it didn't come from there because so many say it did. Not scientific but probably right.

I also read that quite likely several different strains were released and suspect that's true. Like the outbreak among Iranian leaders was clearly a hit and most likely using an Israeli-CIA strain (from Ukraine?).

Who knows?

Ehret just published a 75 page article diving into how the West CIA has had it in for China for decades along with endless propaganda. I intend to read it though I find some of the Larouchian history of Dutch and Venetian power networks a little hard to follow and not always convincing.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 16:20 utc | 262

NO sooner than 'C19' went viral when dozens of 'newbies' and anons flooded alt media ,talking about Shi Zhenli the 'bat lady', hinting darkly at WIV culpability.

Well, How many here heard about the 'bat lady' and WIV, prior to tshtf ?

Those are clearly people in the 'loop', sent here to shape the narrative of the 'Chinese virus'.

My thought was, THE Only reason NIH would wanna 'out source' its 'gof' work to WIV was clearly to set the Chinese up for scapegoating

Never forget ever,
Beware of gringo bearing 'gift'

Posted by: denk | Dec 5 2022 2:27 utc | 263

but that doesent mean we should ignore the peoples plight. If they can show some resistance and some lines that won’t crossed than we also benefit from that.

Posted by: Jan | Dec 4 2022 11:20 utc | 259

---------------

If you care so much about the Chinese,
I've a better idea.

Grow a pair , organise a rev to topple your satanic overlords, the scourge on our planet.

Problem sovled.
Deliverance for the Chinese , for you, for the world.

Posted by: denk | Dec 5 2022 2:36 utc | 264

test

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 5 2022 3:15 utc | 265

ploy?

Yeah it was such a cunning stunt. Pulled the wool over everyone's eyes no doubt. Seriously.

"Nice trick trying to append the content of the last line above to my post. "

trick? (shaking my head in disbelief)

"... it is obvious your mission is to render MoA ineffective by filling the comments with deliberately contorted BS. "

That is not true.

None of it.

'Begone' fantasy land journey man.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 3:20 utc | 266

@ Denk

There are a lot of people (not me) who believe that Xi Jinping is the best state head in Western WEF's great reset. He is THE example of societal control through digital means and lockdowns. Another WEF ideal, eugenics, was also well served by CCP's Mao with his Great Leap Backwards and the One Child policy. Forget those old Western ideologists like Marx and Lenin.

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 5 2022 3:20 utc | 267

@ waynorinorway | Dec 3 2022 14:00 utc | 251
It’s time people got angry about Scorpion’s conduct.
There's also the sockpuppeteering of RichardStevenHack/Scorpion, a Brit living in Mexico who called Americans morons.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 5 2022 3:26 utc | 268

denk | Dec 5 2022 2:27 utc | 263

Very much so. The final iteration of the virus would have been concocted in the Tbilisi lab, or perhaps Ukraine. But wherever, an offshore lab in a section where only US personnel were allowed. Much duel purpose type civilian research would have gone into the making of this. Understanding how pathogens can evolve is also understanding how to make biological weapons.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 5 2022 3:36 utc | 269

@ Tom_12 | 260

"3) The Military Games in Wuhan coincided with the appearance of Covid in Wuhan [two months later]."

Yes that was more than "curious" it was a 'red flag' imho at the time (yes I knew that too) and ever since. Reports of cases similar to covid in sth china and the US around Oct+ is another. Snippets appeared here and there. Antibody testing was never done (after the fact in early 2020) afaik, or made public.

Unfortunate little has been made public out of China. I'd really like to know what they and when they knew it. (US too of course) I suspect, can't know, how much of that keeping quiet is geopolitical and how much is keeping info from the chinese public that might make the health services/govt look bad. All I can do is guess/conjecture/wonder.

I don't expect I'll ever know officially if there is anything to it or not. Checked many things in early 2020 but had to let it go then and now can't recall many details.

One thing of note was how, once a decision was made at Chinese new year, the Chinese authorities went really fast and really hard.... and have never let up. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall back then. (well I thought it was noteworthy at the time and in hindsight)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 3:39 utc | 270

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 5 2022 3:36 utc | 269
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Eugenics and culling of the under mensch have always been the 'garden's' wet dream and they aint shy about it either.

The likes of Jack London, Bertand Russell, Churchill, Josep BOrell, etc unabashedly suggested thinning the yellow horde with a pandemic like the black death, 'which is more effective than wars', they gushed!

Prince Philip dreamed about reincarnating as a deadly virus to erase the useless eaters !

Or how about this chilling words from
BARBARA MARX HUBBARD...

“Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend …. One-fourth is destructive [and] they are defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death.’ … Now as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human — the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers — the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body …. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.

Hmm
1/4 of defective humans ?
Could she be hinting at the ...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-is-the-real-sick-man-of-asia-11580773677

Posted by: denk | Dec 5 2022 4:16 utc | 271

denk | Dec 5 2022 4:16 utc | 271

That quote denk is very much human history. Most who speak like that step forth to their own destruction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 5 2022 4:31 utc | 272

Likely a wasted effort to counter the spurious accusation and disinformation about what I said @ SeanAU | 257 ; yet I offer the following key points anyway:

1) That wuhan was doing coronavirus bio-research is not in itself a red flag due to sars meh etc.

Was a response to Scorpion. I think what it means is self-evident. I have included the "due to sars meh etc." part which was edited out above.

2) As per Turkey providing chem weapons in Syria to rebels and western proxies. (rat line, red line S Hersch and others)

Also a response to Scorpion.

Misrepresents my meaning because it is missing the critical context of:

[...] there are other activities that do cross the line by the us/uk ... like novichok and the multiple ukrainian biolabs and their activities.

As per Turkey providing chem weapons in Syria to rebels and western proxies. (rat line, red line S Hersch and others)

And in hindsight, maybe I was not clear and left too much unspoken?

My issues about that are as follows - in detail so they cannot be twisted beyond reason:

- it highlights the plausible deniability often used by govts
- when info is withheld observers can only guess at the missing gaps.
- when psyops are intentionally acting they lie about almost everything
- Occasionally "singular facts" do appear that counter, or do not fit the story, but rarely do they literally by themselves expose the whole official narrative as fraud.
- which is why Turkey supplying chem weapons in Syria is such a good "template example of what sometimes does happen. A good yardstick to hope for in all such "mysteries".
- The exposure of the behind the scenes previously unknown emails among Twitter execs and DNC operatives a timely case in point.
- At the time several things did not "fit" the narrative about the first chem weapons attack in Syria (Damascus); but there was insufficient hard evidence to conclude anything definitive - it looked sus - but no hard evidence/proof beyond doubt.
- But once Seymour Hersch a year or more later (?) reported on what Obama said to Erdogan in private in the WH then this ripped the lid of what really happened at that FIRST chem weapons attack in Syria that was blamed on Assad Regime ... when Obama did not fire off multiple cruise missiles in response.
- BUT Obama did not tell the public what he knew at the time - he prevaricated - he and the WH et al obscured occluded using sophistry.
- Seymour reported on direct insider information in his red line rat line article.
- I view him as ethical and 100% reliable. If he writes something it is true and has been seriously fact checked as being true/factual - it happened.
- He and other credible people also spoke out about Douma in the same vein too.
- But when it comes to the Skripals it is still only a story that does not add up and looks extremely suspicious. But as yet no credible insider with definitive facts that exposes it for what it appears to be (rationally and logically) BS.
- Globally it still made little to no difference at all. The US never admitted it was true.
- And a majority of people still believe Syria was always to blame for all instances of Chem Weapons in Syria civil war.
- And the subsequently the entire OPCW was hijacked and compromised, forever.

3) Proving the point that public opinion is not usually based upon the facts, evidence nor what is true.

4) With COVID19 there is still no "smoking gun" that removes all doubt as to it's cause. Like - Who is patient zero?

Jeffery Sachs comments are the closest I have seen to a Seymour Hersch moment. I trust Sachs implicitly and a man of integrity. YMMV, fine, no problem. But given the Lancet was earlier repeatedly doing studies that concluded Coronavirus was a natural occurring virus, what Sachs say is significant to me.

But it says absolutely nothing about how and why govts of the world responded as they did. Two completely two different issues in my mind.

5) I consider the US / NATO cruise missile attacks on Syria a war crime. (And Belgrade while we are at it) I consider the invasion of Syria by the US a war crime. I consider what Turkey Erdogan did with chem weapons in Syria and their proxies a War Crime. I consider what was done to the Skripals a crime, but I have serious reservations the Russian Govt or any Russians at all had anything to do with it. Look to the accusers instead.

Same goes for the criticisms of my comments above and the personal attacks that accompanied them.

People doth protest waaaaaaaaaay too much.

The above is proof enough why it is typically a total waste of time countering false accusation made online.

Give a dog a bad name and it sticks!

(with a huge shrug)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 5:01 utc | 273

(snipping bits)

Scorpian .... I don't think the nick is employed by one person alone. I think there are a few rotating the use of this nick.

This applies to antonym also.

I think these two are indeed trolls participating here on payrolls.

If true, there may be many others in the same mode, not necessarily employed by the same political clan.

If b's blog has attracted political entities to pay and subvert its operation, I think it's actually a compliment to the blog's efficacy.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Dec 3 2022 18:13 utc | 256

Wow! Incredible does not begin to express how amazing these appraisals really are.

Neither does mind-boggling. Maybe Mind-Bending fits.

I wish someone would pay me. The extra cash or BTC would be really handy.

All offers considered!

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 5:31 utc | 274

@ SeanAU #270

@ Tom_12 | 260

"3) The Military Games in Wuhan coincided with the appearance of Covid in Wuhan [two months later]."

"Yes that was more than "curious" it was a 'red flag' imho at the time (yes I knew that too) and ever since. Reports of cases similar to covid in sth china and the US around Oct+ is another. Snippets appeared here and there. Antibody testing was never done (after the fact in early 2020) afaik, or made public.

Covid began in Fairfax county at the end of June 2019
A month later Ft. Detrick's bio lab in nearby Frederick, Md was closed down for pathogens escaping its waste system by the state of Md. Army even trained some of their athletes for the games, on the grounds of Ft. Detrick.

No links to these events because they don't transfer here, but anyone can use their search engine to search mysterious respiratory illness killing residents in Fairfax county, Va retirement communities and the lab closure at the end of July 2019. Imho, the smoking gun for the origins of covid 19 are still scattered across the internet. Why should the elite worry, what can a few deplorables do if they figure it out?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Dec 5 2022 9:48 utc | 275

Pity I missed out on all the discussion, living in Beijing and all.

Here's an investigation I found on YT by some random Chinese dude, about the fire in XinJiang that sparked the protests, CC available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r73-O807W_s

another Chinese commentary but no CC: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KewkAY0sGE

In a nutshell, zero-covid policies were essentially irrelevant to the reasons why the firefighters couldnt reach the fire. The community was low-risk and people were free to leave to mingle (within the community at the very least). Ironically, this actually confirms the idea that some people are getting sick of the zero-covid policy since they have decided to project lockdown as the main reason responsible for deaths, when it really was not.

Personally, I've come around to the idea that an increasing proportion of people here are getting fatigued of the zero-cov policy, but I never doubted that a clear majority wanted it to continue in some fashion.

Posted by: Iraeis | Dec 5 2022 17:43 utc | 276

aye, myself & me | 275

Yes i do recall Ft. Detrick's bio lab in nearby Frederick, Md , now you mention it.

Though nothing will ever come of it. no one will ever investigate or find something and make public globally via the media or un or twitter/wechat. no journo, no official, no politician in congress would step up. nothing will come of jeffery sach's comments.

especially since snowdon, assange and manning. the minority of oddballs of this world knowing something is rotten or bs won't cannot change anything. no one is listening or cares.

people like mandella, deep throat, and seymour hersch no longer exist in this world run by the 'citizens united' team under the law backed by nuclear bio weapons. china and russia, the sco and brics, cannot fix america.

someone like trump being elected by accident can't fix it either. no one is going to bring a civil war, if they did it will be crushed like an ant. nothing will save america short of a foreign invasion and i even doubt that would change much of anything either.

even if all the accusations about coronavirus, covid19, shutdowns and reset coming were true - and all the evidence was available and laid at everyone's feet saying look here it is - the undeniable proof - still nothing will change.

even if russia were to gain everything it desired out of the ukraine debacle, including the world agreeing yes, the us ran biolabs there and they are responsible for the 2014 coup and the 2022 war, nothing will change.

something else needs to happen before everyone wakes up. imho.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 22:09 utc | 277

why won't this post?
fwiw for the curious

The Fall of The Great Covid Narrative - 9 mins outtake
Jeffrey Sachs on c i a - a secret army a covert operation for dirty operations that would never be
divulged basically at the president's discretion .... neocons, taiwan & china fearmongering - then covid19 not natural etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8cRpmon6n0

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@ Iraeis | Dec 5 2022 17:43 utc | 276

thx for that
the 2nd link was broken, try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KewkAY0sGE

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 22:47 utc | 278

cia?

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 22:48 utc | 279

rumble ?

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 22:49 utc | 280

rumble urls are blocked - if so, why is that? (maybe some other ' bad' word component.)

I don't know but it is time consuming and frustrating not knowing when a simple comment gets disappeared and you forgot to copy what you said and included it first. Oh well, c'est la vie

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 22:53 utc | 281

"That said it makes sense that an atheist regime which discourages religion without control by CPC officials would want to discourage cults. They are indeed a dangerous phenomena especially for such a regime. Usually cults are mainly only a danger to themselves.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 12:50 utc | 247

CPC does not control religions is simply has a rule that they must not be politically active. They don't give a rats what you do in church on Sunday or in your temple or mosque as long as its about worship, meditation etc

Well whoda thunk that religions shouldn't be politically active?

Falun Gong is not an ordinary Cult. It's NED funded for Anti China objectives.

Posted by: K | Dec 5 2022 22:54 utc | 282

from video @ Iraeis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r73-O807W_s

8:24
You can clearly see that the entrance here looks like this
8:27
However, this is also an old picture taken in 2016.
8:31
It is said that a lot of private vehicles were parked on both sides of the entrance on the night of the incident
8:35
blocking access to fire trucks
8:37
And many residents used their mobile phones to take videos of fire trucks entering the community.
8:41
Most of them came from the low-rise buildings next door
8:46
Fire trucks want to drive in through this entrance
8:48
Then turn right and go downstairs into the burning building
8:50
rescue
8:51
Reluctantly turn right
8:53
It is also blocked by several ground piles installed for the diversion of people and vehicles
8:56
So there are pictures of dismantling the ground piles taken by many residents
9:00
Fire trucks were unable to reach the burning building
9:03
Firefighters can only turn on the remote water cannon on the road to put out the fire
9:07
That's why there is a picture of fire extinguishing in the video
9:10
But helplessly, the distance is still too far

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 23:03 utc | 283

end of video @ Iraeis

The whole process of the fire in the Jixiangyuan community in Urumqi, Xinjiang
In the end, I used the words of the first-year high school student who spoke out
to end today's video

"Many people may say, Even if there are some untrue news, At least these news can attract the attention of public opinion can also have a positive impact.
but we want to make a difference, If you want those who deserve it to be punished, (you) Can't let those guilty find fault in our words.
We must use the facts and the truth to accuse them of crimes. I don't need anyone to wash the floor, I am also a victim"

Alright, that's it for this video

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 5 2022 23:10 utc | 284

the 'garden's obsession with the 'encroaching jungle' is legendary, they aint shy to broadcast it either, in particular their fetishism on culling the yellow horde with germ warfare.

They often played out their wet dream in popular culture, movies, series, docudrama, etc.
Jack London's novel, Dean Koontz's 1981 thriller about a virus from Wuhan no less, the simpson's cartoon , the movie contagion, the Netflix series, Gates multiple dire predictions, right up his dark warning about virus from 'China's wet markets' and the wef's simulation of a global pandemic one months'
before tshtf.
Its all about pandemic originated from China, talk about 'predictive programming' !

In the scifi 'thriller' redsident evil, the mad scientists warned about depopulation, climate change, deadly virus , apocalypse and all that jazz..
'If this world has to end, we'd end it....on our term'
[something like that]

Just wondering, why the obsession with all these zombies films, where the heroin blasted zillions of zombies to smithereens ?
Are they living up their fantasy of culling the yellow jungle ?

Posted by: denk | Dec 6 2022 4:07 utc | 285

China's infamous Great Firewall cracked amid late November's protests – the exact thing the censorship apparatus was designed to prevent.

Posted by: drift boss | Dec 6 2022 9:06 utc | 286