Ukraine War – A Contentious Graveyard In Poland

November 28, 2022

An independent Polish news site, Niezaleizny Dziennik Polityczny, has an interesting piece about Polish losses in the war in Ukraine.

I can not confirm the reports veracity but since at least 2014 the site has regularly published several news and opinion pieces per day. It seems to be opposed to the current conservative PiS led government in Poland.

Below is the machine translated Polish text:

A shameful end. American quarters for Polish mercenaries

In early November, the regional media announced plans to create burials similar to American war cemeteries in Olsztyn. The reports sparked a wave of indignation, both among the city's residents and Poles across the country. "This is a necropolis for Poles? We are from a different culture ”this is how indignant users in social media reacted to the strange ideas of the city council.
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The municipal cemetery in Dywity is the main necropolis in Olsztyn and covers over 35 ha. Today it is loud about it all over Poland, because soon it will look like a war cemetery in the USA. It has to be like in an American movie. A large lawn with identical tombstones on it. Without trees, benches, angels bending over the dead. The tombstones will be the same, they will only differ in color. Their manufacturers provided for only three: black, gray and red-brown.

The main reason for the creation of the American cemetery in Olsztyn was the drastically increased number of burials in the region, mainly soldiers' graves.

This situation has become a real problem for the local government of Olsztyn, where the 16th Pomeranian Mechanized Division is stationed. Almost daily military funerals combined with volleys of honor began to irritate the residents and provoked numerous questions to the city administration and the command of the 16th Division. To avoid additional publicity of the problem, the authorities decided to create a separate "American" cemetery.
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After the outbreak of the war in Ukraine in February this year, President Andrzej Duda and Minister of National Defense Mariusz Błaszczak officially called on Poles to join the ranks of mercenaries and fight on the side of the Kiev regime. Among the fighters who went to war were professional soldiers of the 16th Mechanized Division and veterans of the unit living in the region.

During the 10 months of bloody fighting, according to information from publicly available sources, over 1,200 Polish citizens died in Ukraine, including soldiers and veterans of the 16th PDZ. The number of injured and maimed people also amounts to several thousand.

The number of wounded is probably three times the number of dead, though that can vary depending on the war's circumstance. It means that in total some 4800 men of the Polish contingent in Ukraine were wounded or killed. Is that one third of the Polish 'mercenary' forces in Ukraine? Is it more? Or less?

We don't know but I expect that quite a lot of regular soldiers of the 16th Pomeranian Mechanised Division in Olsztyn have been 'asked' to take part in the war. The division consists of one armored and two mechanized brigades plus the usual auxiliaries which makes it a 15,000 men strong unit.

The style of Polish graveyards is typical for a Catholic European country. Trees, individual graves, elaborate tombstones, candles and flowers.

source – bigger

It is understandable that people in Poland do not like the plans for an 'American' style military graveyard:

The authorities prepared "special honors" for them. Uniform quarters are being built in Olsztyn: There are to be two slab sizes. Larger (meter by meter) are graves for officers, smaller ones (60 cm by 60 cm) are quarters for soldiers. It will not be possible to cover the tombstone with cubes, or to sprinkle pebbles and plant flowers. Only grass is to be spread around the graves. Such an inglorious end awaits the mercenaries who died in Ukraine.

There will be 1,700 of such burial places only in Olsztyn. Therefore, many Poles who believed in the false promises of government propaganda will be victims of the provocative international policy of the PiS regime.

With plans for 1,700 dead Polish soldiers, beyond those 1,200 already buried, the Polish government seems to expect its soldiers to take part in an even more intensified and longer war.

Posted by b on November 28, 2022 at 16:16 UTC | Permalink

Comments

c. The industrial base of the west seems to be superior.
That does not look like a question to me, more an assertion.
Well 33% EU manufacturing capacity lies in Germany yet Russia has a bigger manufacturing capacity than Germany and a similar GDP on PPP basis.
Germany has only enough munitions for hours of combat and a 14-month backlog on components from China to manufacture munitions.
UK cannot even manufacture powder charges for artillery.
US depends on one supplier in Belgium for flame retardants for AA missiles
US has no longer than manufacturing jigs for munitions it has expended in Ukraine. Last orders for Stingers were 18 years ago.
Only South Korea in Western ambit keeps manufacturing capacity on a war footing because Seoul is proximate to DRNK forces……….which is why Poland is ordering from Hyundai
Germany has just negotiated a 15-year LNG deal with Qatar from 2026 so maybe it will be turning out military hardware by 2030
France lacks scale and depended on UK or Germany-Italy as JV partners to fund projects. With Poland buying US and leaving local production out in cold – Germany is doing same and buying F-35
Anyone who followed vdL’s sourcing of replacement weapon for H&K G36 and the debacle with C G Haenel offering a weapon breaching patents and owned by UAE as opposed to H&K owned by No-one Knows Who……….
Only FN in Belgium appears to be State-owned still

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 29 2022 10:54 utc | 201

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 29 2022 2:05 utc | 140
One reason, I suspect, that MoA is still functioning is the intel guys lurk here… we do their research for them…..
I’ve often wondered the same thing. It seem they only catch up after thing have been discussed in great detail, at this bar and associated places.
At least it won’t make them dumber, and some might even repent.

Posted by: Anne B | Nov 29 2022 11:08 utc | 202

Paul Greenwood @ 198

Who is paying to bring wounded/dead back to UK ?

I’m sure that’s rhetorical as we all know who’s paying, UK is raising service fees and taxes, the wealthy don’t care about services and can unload taxes, wage earners and the poor carry the entire weight. Oh, and I bet the mortuary transport and services is all contracted out with the associated overcharges, kickbacks, and grift jsut like covid PPE was. UK is a Banana Republic w/o the bananas, or nice climate.
Down South @ 190

Electric generators left Ukraine without fuel

Supposedly the west is now pouring in small portable generators, thousands of these would be little help so it must be tens or hundreds of thousands. Who’s paying for that? I always wanted a nice little generator kept for emergencies, I might be convinced to send them to Ukraine if I get one too!
I’ll note all these small portable generators are made in China, another billion of western taxpayer money sent to China. Biden and rotating UK PMs tell me China is our existential enemy. I’m so confused.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 11:15 utc | 203

Anne B @ 200

One reason, I suspect, that MoA is still functioning is the intel guys lurk here… we do their research for them…..

I’ve often wondered the same thing. It seem they only catch up after thing have been discussed in great detail, at this bar and associated places.

I’m hoping the Russians are reading and taking our advice, we would have won this months ago 🙃

At least it won’t make them dumber, and some might even repent.

Yes, the hope is the smarter and moral ones might mature, develop “emotional intelligence”, become fully actualize human beings and go Ellsberg, Snowden, Manning, Hale, so keep sharing intelligent thoughts.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 11:43 utc | 204

re London explosion – apparently lightning, although I’ve not seen smoke from a strike before.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1702646/london-black-smoke-rises-hackney-road-islington-explosion-flash-of-light

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2022 11:58 utc | 205

Mark Sleboda pours cold water on the whole thing, much like Ritter did months ago, claiming Russia will have to do 2-3 more mobilizations, and need “hundreds of thousands” of troops to surround various cities. Ritter disagrees and I agree with Ritter this time.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 29 2022 8:27 utc | 186
Before talking about more mobilizations we should see where the first mobilized are.
So far the 300k mobilized can’t be seen in any results. ZNPP, Donbass, Belgorod and Kursk are hit just like before or more. Wagner and other small groups seem to be doing the active work alone, just like before mobilization. The Russian general staff has the same fixation as 8 months ago, that the enemy will surrender to their imaginary greatness. But if the enemy keeps shooting they have no other plan and basically kill their own few soldiers by forcing them to fight an army 10x larger.
Also the progress in Bakhmut zone, which took many months, can be canceled in a few days if they can’t hold positions and order another retreat
Using a large army isn’t the best solution, striking useful targets is. But Baldie seems to be faking it like his predecessors, shooting thousands of missiles without visible results. 6-12h a day without electricity in Kiev means nothing, let’s talk when it’ll be 14 continuous days.

Posted by: rk | Nov 29 2022 12:02 utc | 206

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 11:43 utc | 202
And Anne B @200
One reason, I suspect, that MoA is still functioning is the intel guys lurk here… we do their research for them…..

Agreed. I read a book on those people who score very well on logical reasoning and from that predicting life events ,and not necessarily from their core competencies either. What did they find? Intelligent people who are generalists with respect to a topic can do better than experts; because the former can use all their knowledge which is vast and networked . In addition, non -experts are not hemmed -in due to group -think or “silos” . Questions tested were like what do you think will happen with Russia’s grain harvests in five years time for example.
So I am not surprised that some people here may consistently predict patterns that may even catch out NATO or Russian planners.
The book’s title started with “Super*something or other “ ,was a best- seller and written by a specialist in prediction research . Some fellow similar to Tabibi but I don’t think it was him. Some American? author.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 12:48 utc | 207

Oops !
Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 29 2022 2:05 utc
Please see my post to Anne B etc. You were meant to be included too.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 12:54 utc | 208

It seems ZH has published the Trolls Operations Manual.
According to the source, this is a conditional training manual for a week from the functionaries of the Office of the President and CIPSO for their bot farms and social media to work in the RU segment.
Media plan, November 21-27
Topic: Problems of mobilization
Search and creation of materials about the problems of providing mobilized weapons, equipment, mistakes in managing on the battlefield and during training.
Use authentic videos from the mobilized, published in Russian news and military Telegram channels.
Obtaining, creating and disseminating insider information about problems in the regions. Detailed coverage, generalization of problematic incidents for the entire mobilization process.
The direct accusation of the Russian high command and leadership of the Ministry of Defense of corruption, low qualifications and neglect of the lives of their subordinates.
Topic: Losses in manpower and equipment
Use of numerical data of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ISW, CIT, Oryx and other approved sources.
Emphasize high casualties among mobilized, not professional Russian military. The task is to create a conflict between the career military and those called up for mobilization for further development and consistent updating.
Calls to lay down arms and surrender – saving lives is more important than war for undefined goals and the Kremlin regime. Involvement of youth opinion leaders and organizations to disseminate such appeals.
Losses in technology – translate the assessment into financial indicators. Emphasis: the money spent on the war, the Kremlin should have distributed among the population, so that it becomes richer.
Emphasize the losses of the economy from the war and the imposed sanctions.
Topic: Internal conflicts in power
Key line: to strengthen the basis for the revolt of the military against the Kremlin in case of a crisis.
Return to theses about conflicts in the Russian elite, among the “Kremlin towers”. The task is to undermine the trust of civil officials and security forces in each other.
The accusation of officials of the Presidential Administration and the government of disagreeing with the actions of the military, in parallel to disseminate information about the violent dissatisfaction of the military with the political decisions of the Kremlin. Task: to launch information about the next conflict between the civilian and security forces of the regime.
The use of defector speakers to launch information about conflicts between law enforcement agencies – the military, the FSB, the National Guard.
Continuing the line: discrediting past referendums on joining Russia. The key thesis is that among the Russians, the annexation of regions does not enjoy support, their preservation as part of Russia is not considered important following the results of the war.
Topic: Russia is a terrorist state
Key line: The whole world considers the Russian regime to be terrorist in its essence, punishment for its crimes is inevitable.
Active coverage of Russian strikes on civilian infrastructure. Emphasize the suffering of the civilian population from the power outage, the victims of the civilian population from shelling.
Accents in coverage: The European Parliament recognizes Russia as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism”. The Dutch Parliament will vote on a resolution recognizing the Russian Federation as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism”. Emphasize European unity on the issue of recognizing the Putin regime as a terrorist one.”

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Nov 29 2022 12:58 utc | 209

The salute alone is dangerous in Poland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCEbHZXUTM

Posted by: Sparta78 | Nov 29 2022 13:11 utc | 210

@ the pair
I think you put that rather well.

Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 29 2022 13:19 utc | 211

I wonder if it will ever occur to the Poles that they are fighting on the wrong side.

Posted by: Peter Kurten | Nov 29 2022 13:36 utc | 212

In response to SwissArmyMan@207,
There has been a number of these leaked and I never feel they’re credible. Simply because the narratives are already so transparent, that anyone would be able to reverse engineer a plausible looking cheat-sheet for their dissemination.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 29 2022 13:41 utc | 213

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 29 2022 13:41 utc | 211
If your point is that the Trolls are “so transparent” few would disagree, but many will “feel” it just might be credible.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Nov 29 2022 14:03 utc | 214

Brother Ma @205
Was it “Superforecasting” by Tetlock & Gardner ?

Posted by: Billb | Nov 29 2022 14:19 utc | 215

The foreign ministers of NATO member states are set to reiterate the military alliance’s readiness to welcome Ukraine into the bloc in principle, Bloomberg has reported. However, they are also expected to make it clear that Kiev cannot join at present.
A two-day meeting of NATO foreign ministers got underway on Tuesday in Bucharest, Romania. Bloomberg, citing anonymous sources, said the military alliance is expected to state that “its door remains open” to Ukraine, but that “now is not the time” for the country’s accession.
https://www.rt.com/news/567363-nato-meeting-ukraine-membership/
All this means that USA/UK/Poland committed into an open end warfare against Russia. Ukraine continues existing as a paper entity, which is accepted to Nato, which enables aforementioned countries to send their own troops and equipment into Ukraine. The Polish army must be committed to fight on the Donbass front, if the war is wanted to kept going.
All this means that this open-ended warfare will continue for many years and it’s a fight until someone collapses. Judging by current events, EU will be the first to suffer serious decline. EU will continue getting ripped off by the US and sink below 10 % of global GDP.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 14:25 utc | 216

Peter Kurten @ 210

I wonder if it will ever occur to the Poles that they are fighting on the wrong side.

Are we the Baddies

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 14:40 utc | 217

@Yetanothreranon 203
I saw that explanation all right, not buying it.
The incident is still under Globalist media blackout, and none of the local media that initially covered the blast sent a reporter out to the location to get a closer look and talk to people in the area, that I can find. No photos, apart from the long distance one of the smoke rising up.
I hope I’m wrong,but it looks like it is being set up as the false flag to provoke the nuclear confrontation they have been aiming for.

Posted by: Orchard1 | Nov 29 2022 14:41 utc | 218

@ Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 12:48 utc | 205
Monkeys with darts.

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 29 2022 15:07 utc | 219

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 11:43 utc | 202
I’m hoping the Russians are reading and taking our advice, we would have won this months ago
I don’t think the Russians need us to explain their own warfare. My thoughts went solely to “western intelligence”, if there are any left.
As military advisors we rarely rise above arm-chair lieutenants.

Posted by: Anne B | Nov 29 2022 15:19 utc | 220

Open blogs like this are usually a honey trap to locate troublesome individuals. On the flip side that also makes it a stovepipe sending wrongthink into the gatekeepers themselves.
So KGB and FBI hello! Quit pushy footing around and embrace total war already. You know you have too its been too static since ww2 and thats unsustainable. Territory must change to stronger hands already.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 29 2022 15:21 utc | 221

Posted by: Billb | Nov 29 2022 14:19 utc | 213
You nailed it. Tetlock as main author immediately rang a bell.
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 29 2022 15:07 utc | 217
Either way, your random method of dart- throwing is probably better than group-think experts.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 15:27 utc | 222

Why is the collective West so aggressive, so readily gong into the situation where it can be destroyed in nuclear fire?
Since when is this happening. (I think since crusades.)
How is this aggression being generated, specially in Anglo –Saxon world?
Is that pure coming from politics or it is a kind of internal, individual aggression that is somehow externalized against “lower” nations (Russians, Arabs…)?
If this is internal, how can it be so massive?

Posted by: margo | Nov 29 2022 15:29 utc | 223

“If there is ever a Polish/Ukrainian breakthrough in Crimea then …”
-speedracer | Nov 28 2022 17:38 utc | 29
That’s a very far-fetched “if” to worry about.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 29 2022 15:32 utc | 224

Makes one sick to the stomach. Really hard to forgive or forget the ghouls that made this war happen.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Nov 29 2022 15:33 utc | 225

As I said repeatedly…
“Repairs to the power grid were almost complete after Russian strikes on key Ukrainian infrastructure left millions without electricity, heat and water.”
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/28/1138334659/latest-news-russia-ukraine-war-nov-28
So much for the attacks on electricity sites by Russia, already have Ukraine fixed it to large extent! LOL
The intelligence of russian military tactics is like an IQ of 80 versus ukrainian of a 120.
The russian military IQ would be around 120 if they actually started to attack vital military/leadership sites or railways, aistrips, ammot depots but no Russia do not understand that either that or they fear Ukraine too much!
All this proves, to the ukrainians, that the war is no doubt winnable and no diplomacy is needed, not so much what Ukraine itself do but the terrible incompetence of Russia.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 15:34 utc | 226

Its called evolution Margo. Ever since the first apes figured out throwing rocks to drive off whole tribes the logic of war is continual escalation. The logic of total war. Weaker groupings are driven to extinction by the war pressure opening additional resources for the more war like survivors. Anglos have the greater will for war and that’s why we’re willing to risk it all. Bet russia blinks. He’ll they’re blinking continuously already lol. If I spare a thought towards them I might feel pity then I remember it’s not personal its business welcome to Earth. Adapt and live, insist on tradition and hope the good times come around again.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 29 2022 15:38 utc | 227

@ Posted by: margo | Nov 29 2022 15:29 utc | 221
The issue is imperialism, not the internal thought processes of entire societies (which is, of course, a category error – societies don’t think, people do). People in our society are compelled by material reality to act in one way or another. The Anglo-Saxon bourgeoisie must compete with the Chinese bourgeoisie, the Russian bourgeoisie, the German and French bourgeoisie, and so on. They have to keep some under dominion and attempt to bring others under their dominion. All of the conflicts in Europe and Asia today are reducible not only to fanatic nationalism, but in the ultimate analysis, to the economic needs of the ruling classes of the various countries to exert control over foreign markets and the markets of their rivals.
This is why the war in Ukraine can only be understood as one of inter-imperialist rivalry, and why it should be stressed that the working masses have no interest in the triumph of either side, and can only be interested in their own triumph at the expense of their own national bourgeoisie.

Posted by: fnord | Nov 29 2022 15:42 utc | 228

Graeber came up a few times in this discussion, ever read his Bullshit Jobs essay? The book expanded the premise but was forced on Graeber by his publisher, Graeber can be wordy so the book can be skipped for the essay.
https://evonomics.com/why-capitalism-creates-pointless-jobs-david-graeber/
More I learn about psyops more I realize how perfectly it fits into the bullshit jobs theory. Out of the entire military-industrial-security-complex the security part has to be the epitome of low talent, laziness, and grift. Even if you rise to the skill level to twinkle the keys of the Great Wurlitzer one just has to look at the last 80ys of blowback and the corrosive effects that have undermined the entire west economically, industrially, politically and culturally to realize how valid Graeber’s theory is.
The way I look at it the point of mega grifts like the MIC or like the Health Industry Complex is not efficiency and to contain costs like the econ textbooks teach, but to make the pie as big as possible even if it’s all unhealthy starch and air, the bigger the pie the bigger your slice especially is you have conspiratorial, cartel, or monopoly control.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 15:47 utc | 229

For me this sounds rather like a sophisticated antipolish propaganda piece. Central for me is this passage:
“Während 10 Monaten blutiger Kämpfe starben nach Informationen aus öffentlich zugänglichen Quellen über 1,2 Tausend polnische Bürger in der Ukraine, darunter Soldaten und Veteranen der 16. PDZ. Auch die Zahl der Verletzten und Verstümmelten liegt bei mehreren tausend Menschen.” (Google Translation)
But any decent journalist would have given us these “publicly available sources”. But he has nothing to present us for such an explosive “fact”. And I could not find any sources myself either. But I have to admit that I cannot read polish websites.

Posted by: Neoprene | Nov 29 2022 15:52 utc | 230

fnord | Nov 29 2022 15:42 utc | 226
Interesting. Not meaning that the the outcome of the current war in Ukraine is indiferent to the workers of all countries.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Nov 29 2022 15:52 utc | 231

One of the few old school German politicians left. People should listen to him.
Posted by: jpc | Nov 28 2022 23:11 utc | 123
Of “old school politicians”
Here are others; surprisingly so from the USA. 
Bruce Fein, former deputy attorney general under President Reagan joins Herr Lafontaine !!!. ? His Op-Ed in The Hill has been reported on by several media outlets
How to End the War in Ukraine? The U.S. Should Withdraw from NATO

According to constitutional and international law scholar Bruce Fein, it’s one way to bring the proxy war to a hasty close.
In a recent opinion piece published in The Hill, lawyer Bruce Fein expressed a heterodox view: The U.S. Congress should pass a law requiring the U.S. to cease its membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). As a result, the war in Ukraine would come to an end and the Speaker of the House would win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Bruce Fein is a policy wonk and legal analyst. He was associate deputy attorney general and general counsel of the Federal Communications Commission under President Ronald Reagan, and is author of American Empire Before The Fall and Constitutional Peril: The Life and Death Struggle For Our Constitution and Democracy. He is founding partner of Fein & Del Valle, PLLC.
In the opinion piece, Fein cites a precedent for the NATO withdrawal: “As early as 1798, Congress nullified a defense treaty with France by statute. A congressional end to United States participation in NATO would be no constitutional novelty.”[.]
He then argues that the rationale for U.S. participation in NATO expired a long time ago: namely, containing the expansion of the now-defunct Soviet Union. Ever since 1991, America’s continued involvement with NATO and the organization’s ever-widening membership roll have only served to anger Russia.
Fein adds:
“By remaining in NATO and spearheading its expansion to Russia’s borders with 30 members, the United States provoked President Vladimir Putin’s attack on Ukraine. It was poised to join NATO to fortify the encirclement of an already diminished Russia constituting a greater existential threat to it than the existential threat the Cuban missile crisis posed to the United States.
By withdrawing from NATO, Congress would end the existential threat that occasioned Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and extinguish the executive branch’s ambition for regime change or weakening Russia. The United States is NATO’s locomotive and the other members collectively the caboose. Congressional withdrawal would permit Putin to save face if he ended Russia’s military and political debacle in Ukraine by asserting that his war aim had been achieved.”[.]
According to Fein, NATO and U.S. leadership of the treaty organization constitute an existential threat to Russia. The moment the U.S. withdraws from NATO, it would become a hollow threat.
Fein is not the first to allege that the Russia-Ukraine war is simply a proxy conflict between the U.S. and Russia. Once the U.S. and NATO no longer pose a threat to Putin’s regime, Russia will back down and leave Ukraine.
Henry Kissinger has suggested as much. So has Noam Chomsky. Another is Andrew Bacevich. Yet another is John Mearsheimer.
With so much intellectual firepower opposing the proxy war with Russia, why have Western politicians doubled down in their support for Zelensky’s regime? Put simply, it’s the fallacy of sunk costs (the more resources invested, the more difficult it is to rationalize anything other than steering the same course). With $16.2 billions now invested in Ukraine’s battlefield success, no other path seems possible.[.]

USA Source:
https://medium.com/statecraft-and-global-affairs/how-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-the-u-s-should-withdraw-from-nato-eede3f2e8ac3
+ + + + +
Their umbilical pipes are dead and gone
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 29 2022 0:38 utc | 130
I detect a pun. Gazprom has decompressed the pipes and mothballed the compressors

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 29 2022 16:00 utc | 232

@224, that state media link claiming that repairs are almost complete is a link to a DW post that quotes a single telegram post from the military administration of Kiev, but doesn’t link or even obviously quote the actual post. However, it refers only to Kiev based on the source. If you actually read the DW piece further it shows that things aren’t so rosy even in Kiev. Both that these are vague statements about “entering the final phase” of restoration and that the president and mayor are at odds over how well things are actually going. Given that Ukrainians have already renamed Zelensky’s “points of invincibility” to “points of mediocrity”, the rosy you picture you try to paint based on every source in your link painting the rosiest picture from their own sources is kind of laughable.
Russia has been attacking those sites all along. Your chosen sources simply chose not to report on it. Two rail junctures have been seriously damaged in the last couple of days, complicating reinforcement of the rapidly disintegrating Ukrainian defense of Bahkmut. What Kiev and DC (and you) don’t seem to get is that Russia simply isn’t playing the game by the “rules” you think it should be played by. I can’t say whether Russia will be successful in the long run, but an honest assessment by Kiev, DC or you would show that things are very bad for the Ukrainian side and getting worse. Hiding behind poor reporting from state media doesn’t change facts on the ground.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 29 2022 16:07 utc | 233

In the spring, if Kiev still wants to fight, another 2 or 3 oblasts will be taken. I think that the West will keep lobbing shells over the line of contact until Russia is forced to take the whole of Ukraine. Zelenski will do a Guaido in Poland. Russia will still sell its gas and oil to Asia. Europe will become improverished.

Posted by: Kaiama | Nov 29 2022 16:12 utc | 234

@ S.P. Korolev | Nov 29 2022 5:40 utc | 176
well – thanks again for sharing those articles either way!

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2022 16:22 utc | 235

Lex
It has been reported earlier, here for example by one of the largest electricty company:
Ukraine restores electricity production to 75% of demand — power company
https://tass.com/world/1542223
Zelensky is by the way heavily supported to this day, another failure by Russia.

Majority of Ukrainians believe they will win against Russia – poll
70% of Ukrainians believe in a Ukrainian Armed Forces victory over Russian military forces, and 91% of respondents support the actions of President Volodymyr Zelensky.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698853
If Russia targeted railways, ammo, aistrips the war will of course be over back in march. There is a reason thousands of ukrainian troops, heavy arms/ammo is able to go straight to Donbas western border for 9 months straight.
Obviously targeting electricty sites have not managed to do any damage to either the will or the physical military movement on the battlefield by Ukraine. Only emboldened it.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 16:28 utc | 236

Likklemore @230–
Good to see your comments again! And thanks for the Fein item. Too bad he only has part of his head out of his ass as he clearly demonstrates being captured by Western propaganda, but the idea does have merit despite its impartibility–the MIC will never allow it to become reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2022 16:28 utc | 237

why have Western politicians doubled down in their support for Zelensky’s regime? Put simply, it’s the fallacy of sunk costs
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Imagine the ritualistic humiliation the empires apologists must endure to move up the ranks
This author obviously knows the truth, but first must publicly debase himself to prove his loyalty before being possibly granted higher access
Mic, what mic? Lulz

Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 29 2022 16:34 utc | 238

Likklemore | Nov 29 2022 16:00 utc | 230
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3750203-congress-should-end-the-war-in-ukraine-by-withdrawing-from-nato/
Thanks for that op ed. More voices but…
The Hill attempted to distract the viewer by putting a 9 min video by a staff writer above his piece. You can guess the content. US is incredible peacemaker.
Not even a picture of Mr Fein.

Posted by: 44Cadillac | Nov 29 2022 16:37 utc | 239

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 29 2022 15:32 utc | 222
speedracer | Nov 28 2022 17:38 utc | 29
Brings to mind a famous scene in Ancient Greece when the Now -powerful Macedonians threatened the now -less- powerful Spartans, their Dorian Greek cousins.
The Macedonian leader expended many words and I paraphrase , said that if Macedon defeated the Spartans it would raze the city and debase the Spartans.
The Spartan general responded with one word. ,”If…” , demonstrating that wonderful laconic wit that the Spartans had. Of course the Macedonians did not pursue their war or threats to the Spartans, and left them well enough alone. Some classicist here , no doubt, will know the names of those very generals.
Similarly, let us see if Nato or Ukraine can retake Crimea. Pie in the sky here…Who knows ; maybe Chinese / Iranian troops fly in to Simferopol or Sevastopol and chase the Ukies even north of the Dneiper -even if the Ukies do take most of Crimea to start with – just As the Chinese swept Macarthur and the UN down South from the Yalu.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 16:38 utc | 240

Posted by: Kaiama | Nov 29 2022 16:12 utc | 232
I doubt that russia will take any more oblast. Actually they re more specialized giving away territories for no reasons.
Yesterday I ve watched on German TV Pososhenko claiming that they ve used the negotiation around Minsk 1+2 only to rearm and prepare for war.
I am reading in russian news that Lavrov and Peskov speaking about a Minsk 3 format!?
How naive and dump somebody must be not realizing whats going on?
The 5D chessmaster could not realize 8 years that the negotiations with west and ukronazis were only show?
What is even more serious the 5D chessmaster said that the russian army was not prepared for a war eight years ago but whats now after nine months?
First world war trench warfare with battle tanks from museums is today everything the russian army can perform after eight years?
Man in what condition was this so called russian army eight years ago?????
Chessmaster spend billions for senseless football world championship instead of modernize and better arm his troups.
After nine months they still do not take out key ukraine nazi puppets?
Last two weeks they ve sent two more rockets with satelites into the orbit. Why not earlier?
So difficult to believe that with guys in Kreml they will take even 2 meters of new oblasts……
Putin has failed miserably military and politically.
His so called energy crise in Europe has failed miserably as well.
I see no evidence of that being so dramatic without Energy in Germany.
On the contrary there isn’t really any difference other than a gradual change of prices.
But ok……

Posted by: ratkomladic | Nov 29 2022 16:46 utc | 241

Question for Barflies;
Where will active revolt take place first – USA or EU ?
My bet is on USA – society is deeply divided into absolutist camps.
Side Note – T.E. Lawrence in ‚Seven Pillars of Wisdom‘ described the perfect bombing of a Turkish Railway Bridge – as not dropping the span but weakening it enough that the Turks needed to remove the span themselves and only then could they set about the task of restoring the bridge.
Appears that the RF is applying a similar approach to Kiev‘s power grid. BTW – the cheapie 10kw electrical generators are junk, even those that are rated continuous duty aren‘t. These also consume insane amounts of fuel.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 29 2022 16:46 utc | 242

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 16:28 utc | 234
I always read your comments , and you do raise some good points. However, you appear to always be negative about Russia’s ability to war. You have been labelled a Pro -Ukrainian troll by many who have been here way longer than I have, and I also cannot remember one instance of you saying something pro- Russian.
Do you want to see Zelenskian Ukraine fall , or Russia? Who do you support and why ?
If you have already answered these questions, please direct me to your past posts that address them , as I really would like to know how you think. Maybe you are a Nato —paid troll or pro- Ukro ideologue , or maybe you are just a guy upset about how things are going and will start singing Russia’s praises as soon as they appear to be more “kinetic”.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 16:51 utc | 243

But now what we notice, are the ukraine refugees.
There re no free places for Germans kids in nurserys or kindergardens anymore.
Yesterday my friend tried at several places.
Always same answer: “Due to the ukraine conflict we do not have any places available anymore”
She has asked how is this possible and they explained to her that 40% of nursery and kindergarden places must be reserved for Ukraine kids!!!!????
WOW this is heavy stuff to swallow especially whe u re German living in Germany and paying tax.
The German city council expects a sudden rush of ukraine social parasits after latest missiles rain against the energy facilities in ukraine.
For example FLIXBUS HAS ANNOUNCED THE ALL CONNECTIONS FROM UKRAINE TO GERMANY ARE booked out months in advance!!
The German welfare paradise is waiting for new parasits.
The green german parliamant has adapted an new law for welfare money called BÜRGERGELD.
Everybody who doesnt feel like to work is welcome to receive BÜRGERGELD without any investigation about his personal circumstances. Free housing and 700€ monthly cash for living.
what else could you want?

Posted by: ratkomladic | Nov 29 2022 17:00 utc | 244

It appears that the new, “more mature” Zanon has appeared today. Difference cadence and “feel” than the past few weeks, at least my vibe. Interesting…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 29 2022 17:13 utc | 245

Posted by: ratkomladic | Nov 29 2022 17:00 utc | 242
Thats universal basic income by the looks of it.
The swan song of the neoliberal progressive era has begun. In western EU we now have a strange amalgamation of neoliberal economic policies with loose monetary policy (MMT) plus extreme progressive policies on climate change and identity.

Posted by: alek_a | Nov 29 2022 17:22 utc | 246

Every day Russian armed forces play the game of “If it moves, shoot it” there are more dead ukies and destroyed equipment than replenishments coming on line. On there other hand, Russian factories are churning out a shit-ton more armaments than is being consumed.
Of course Russia can wait it out hoping the enemy will capitulate in the face of such assured defeat… the alternative is a horrific bloodbath and hammer of destruction no moral individual would wish upon the helpless.
Ukraine is facing fully equipped Armys on three sides.

Posted by: comrade simba | Nov 29 2022 17:24 utc | 247

Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 29 2022 17:13 utc | 243
im sure some of these sock puppets have multiple puppeteers. “who am i today, oh Zanon. I wanna be yenwoda again”.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 29 2022 17:25 utc | 248

Brother Ma
Thanks!
My posts speaks for themselves, the war is going terrible so I will of course point that out = I am not brainwashed like majority of people here are (Don Bacon, marko, rk and a few others are also good posters – basically, look for the contrarians). I try to inject the facts into the debate here. Some people being in denial of things do not like my posts, it is fine on my part, (these people seems to be plagued with mental illness though). I have been right for months and I guess that infuriate some people here that have been wrong for months and calling me and others “troll”.
My view is that the war should end of course, I do not support the war as little I support any war/mass murdering.
Russia had not have any success since june, that is 5 months ago.
Basically Imagine if US waged a war like this, would you call it a success? Of course not, and the same rules are applied here for Russia, if something is not going great, you face the reality of things, you do not hide, cover, become in denial like a small cry-baby-toddler and start attacking anyone that simply tells you how the reality of things are, right? It is pretty easy when you stop pretend things or have alot of ideological filters on. Then you go astray as many obviously here have done, it is human but one must learn also by the mistakes and listen to commentators, like myself, that simply know better to put it boldly.
The issue is that too many people are in somewhwat…. emotional love with Russia/Putin and now cannot face the reality. It is almost like a sect and just like a sect the members go after me in the comment section (just watch) but I respect b‘s call not to attack any other user so I wont go there.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 17:25 utc | 249

“Russia had not have any success since june”
you may have missed the recent attacks on the electrical grid.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 29 2022 17:29 utc | 250

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 28 2022 22:51 utc | 117

…
Early on I read on TG that the Russians were offering truces to pick up dead but the Ukrainians were turning it down. Maybe modern maneuver warfare doesn’t allow time for such niceties. I’ve seen a few TG images of handfulls families protesting in Ukraine but it’s a fascist state so who knows the real extent and level of tolerance there. Seeing the images out of Liman and Kherson the Russians are giving the bodies they find a proper, individual marked grave, maybe this information makes its way back to the families through some agreement btwn NATO and Russia and that might be amortizing the shock on the home front…

Maybe. Or maybe not. We’ve had a good demonstration of the way the West can turn this type of info against Russia.
The way I see it, there is a point where narrative shaping is so effective that any related bit of information requires very little manipulation to reinforce the dominant propaganda. Those proper burials become mass graves with added key words such as ‘visible trauma’, ‘unidentified bodies’ and of course, ‘Russia, Putin, Russia’.
It works like a universally recognized brand with a very strong negative connotation.
Other current examples could include all things related to Iran or Assad. It seems that any report of some boring, uneventful event can, with the right tone, be turned into an incriminating testimony of some unfathomable act of wickedness. Let’s say Assad visits a public library. We could hear : “And now, once again we are confronted with the horrors of the Syrian civil war. After the chemical attacks in Ghouta, Bashar al Assad was seen entering a public library. A public building with children. Yes, children.”
I am pretty sure that most people do not actually listen to the individual reports, but the constant barrage ensures they do hear the soundbites. ‘Assad, chemical, children’. Their thought could be “Dear God, that evil, evil man. Is there no limit?”

Posted by: robin | Nov 29 2022 17:34 utc | 251

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 17:25 utc | 247
Thank you Zanon. Yet you didn’t say who you support, but only said that the war should stop. Stop how? Under which conditions? Russia go back to its borders pre-Feb2022 but owning Crimea? Back to pre -Crimea joining Russia in 2015? Freeze the contact line as it is now , but still allow Nato weapons /training /troops to be shipped to Zelenskian-held Ukraine as it was pre Feb2022 and even more nowadays? Or should the war stop with Nato going back to 1997? Borders ?
One cannot say that you don’t support any war. That would make you a saint willing to have your family and /or yourself slaughtered by any person not sharing your “turn the other cheek “ values or religion. Sometimes, you cannot reason with people on issues that mean life or death , so you must kill them if you don’t want to die yourself. That is the way of the world , and even Jesus and the Dalai Lama agree on that .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 29 2022 17:36 utc | 252

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 17:25 utc | 249
Nato will not let this war end, and there is nothing Russia can do about it. They just have to sit tight, and watch what Nato throws into the Donbass front and just destroy them. After Ukrainians and the mish mash of mercenary rubble, US will throw the regular Polish army. It seems they already sent Polish soldiers.
This is why it’s a grind, not an aimless advance somewhere where Nato would have more advantage, and Russia less advantage. This war will continue like this for years and attrition ratio and ability to destroy enemy without giving him a chance to destroy oneself is the king of this “forever war”.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 17:44 utc | 253

Posted by: Simon | Nov 29 2022 7:59 utc | 184
These appear to be MLRS rounds with a glide munition in place of the standard warheads that are usually carried on MLRS rockets. The foldout wings on the glide munition account for the increased range and there’s supposedly a laser guided version that can be directed onto moving targets.
I guess they’ll provide Team Z with a novel way to eliminate talkative POWs and RF civil servants.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 29 2022 17:46 utc | 254

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 17:44 utc | 253
The Polish soldiers sent to fight in Donbass will not also be available for other Nato operations in the future and effectively weaken moves elsewhere. That’s why Russians are still piling up more stuff in Belarus – they probably wouldn’t if they didn’t expect Nato “moves” there.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 17:47 utc | 255

Posted by: robin | Nov 29 2022 17:34 utc | 251
a very perceptive comment on how the process works.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 29 2022 17:49 utc | 256

Brother Ma
Yes it is true the outcome is very open.
The thing is that Russia could have easily won already back in march and thus decided the outcome – that is – if they were competent on the battlefield, but obviously the russian strategy has been a mess and still is.
I have been as critical as anyone else here on Ukraine past years but that does not mean I will support a war that have already embolden Nato, US, Ukraine while Russia have been cut short on every aspect.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 17:52 utc | 257

… If I spare a thought towards them I might feel pity then I remember it’s not personal its business welcome to Earth. …
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 29 2022 15:38 utc | 225
Business is personal. If you must deal in clichés at least think them thorough on your own account or, failing that, steer clear of grifter catchphrases.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 29 2022 17:52 utc | 258

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 17:44 utc | 253

…Nato will not let this war end, and there is nothing Russia can do about it. They just have to sit tight, and watch what Nato throws into the Donbass front and just destroy them. After Ukrainians and the mish mash of mercenary rubble, US will throw the regular Polish army. It seems they already sent Polish soldiers.
This is why it’s a grind, not an aimless advance somewhere where Nato would have more advantage, and Russia less advantage. This war will continue like this for years and attrition ratio and ability to destroy enemy without giving him a chance to destroy oneself is the king of this “forever war”.

I find your two assessments somewhat contradictory.
A war where NATO holds the privilege of choosing the duration is war imposed on Russia. Wouldn’t this place Russia at a disadvantage?

Posted by: robin | Nov 29 2022 18:08 utc | 259

Polish Deputy Defense Minister Marcin Ocepa said that Warsaw considers the likelihood of a war with Polish participation “extremely high.”
“What is the likelihood of a war in which we will take part? Extremely high,” he said.
I want to warn the people of Poland that if Poland enters the war, they will face Russian missile attacks on targets that Russia considers a threat to its security.
Russia will consider this a NATO attack on Russia.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/41156

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 29 2022 18:21 utc | 260

FYI–Important news about Assange at Week in Review.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 28 2022 20:20 utc | 69
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WHOSE Week in Review? Can’t find it anywhere.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Nov 29 2022 18:22 utc | 261

Posted by: robin | Nov 29 2022 18:08 utc | 259
Nato activities in Ukraine don’t really resemble normal wars, they seem more like zombie waves coming after the other. How would you fight against zombie waves – rushing deeper amidst them or waiting them to wander into the preset artillery “fire bags”. That’s pretty much what’s going everywhere in the front right now.
The reason Nato has the ability to decide the duration of the war is because they seemingly have a lot of these zombies to throw. This is enabled by puppet controllers like Zelensky, and the IOUs born from providing weapons to Ukraine are redeemed with their blood. That is a definition of a forever war.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2022 18:28 utc | 262

Brother Ma,
If you read Zanons posts carefully you will find he is actually astonishingly gifted. With Russia’s resources and faced with such a pathetic army of losers as the Nato trained, Nato armed, Nato led Nazis, he would have wiped them out in an afternoon. It is this frustration that makes him so impatient.

Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Nov 29 2022 18:29 utc | 263

nato may want the longest war possible but unless they convince retards from Poland or Romania to attack on their own, without nato, there’s nothing nato can do if the Ukr puppet government is dead. The zombie setup collapses. So far Russia protects the puppet government, killing their own people in the process. What will general Baldie do when Zely runs in exile and the entire war continues to be fought by “mercenaries” using terrorism alone? Retreat some more? Give Belgorod in a gesture of good will?
If all nato goes in it should be comedy gold, considering both nato generals and Russian generals are as smart as a cardboard. It would be “Dumb and Dumber in WW part trois” for a week then nukes or stop. And if we see the geniuses from China in action in Taiwan I bet we’ll laugh even more.

Posted by: rk | Nov 29 2022 18:35 utc | 264

Ukrainian losses in Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) have increased tenfold
Daily losses of the Ukrainian army in Artyomovsk have increased tenfold over the past week: instead of dozen dead and wounded a day, the number of KIA and WIA has reached 100 or more.
There is data that since November 20, due to bad weather and problems with medical evacuation, the brigade artillery group and two mechanized battalions of the 30th Ukrainian Separate Mechanized Brigade defending positions near Kleshcheevka (9.5 km south of Artemivsk), as well as the OUN-UPA special purpose company—Immitis of the 71st AFU “Ranger” brigade, which the Wagner PMC is knocking out from the northern outskirts of the city—have sustained the largest losses.
Total personnel losses in these units are approaching 500. From the radio intercepts of the AFU it became known that the Wagner PMC troops maintain the pace of the offensive and continue to destroy the AFU units despite the muddy terrain and bad weather.
High losses of heavy armored vehicles in Artyomovsk have force the AFU to use ambulances as improvised armored personnel carriers, ammunition transport vehicles, and assault vehicles.
Conventional ambulances cannot reach the wounded, and their use in an active combat zone is very risky.
The MT-LB C specialized medical APCs and British AT105 Saxon armored vehicles are used by the AFU to transport mortars and shells, which has raised the problem of transporting the wounded to a critical level. The shortage of quick help has already led to multiple purulent-septic pathologies. AFU soldiers, without waiting for evacuation, are dying of painful shock and sepsis right in the trenches.
Wounded AFU soldiers are forced to wait hours for evacuation in flooded and muddy trenches. The time for qualified medical aid varies from several hours to a day, and the opportunities of the so-called golden hour, when the wounded can be given the most effective help, are not used.
As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are facing massive blood poisoning and hundreds of cases of deadly inflammation in wounded soldiers, even with minor wounds.
The number of corpses increases every day, and local morgues can no longer cope with the workload.
Because of the influx of bodies, since November 25, dead Ukrainian soldiers have been sent 30 kilometers from Artyomovsk to morgues in the neighboring town of Konstantinovka.
In the coming weeks, the Ukrainian Armed Forces expect the situation with the wounded to worsen: heavy precipitation (wet snow and rain) and above-freezing temperatures are predicted in the Artyomovsk district until mid-December.
Instead of rescuing the wounded soldiers at the front, the Kievan regime is preoccupied with securing Western air defenses to protect the government quarter…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/22824

Posted by: Down South | Nov 29 2022 19:02 utc | 265

The Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) – Dzerzhinsk section continues to devour Ukrainian reserves: after the redeployment of AFU mechanized brigades here in October, the Ukrainian army managed to somewhat halt the Russian advance. Now, it appears that the reserves have worn down again, and the Russian forces were able to occupy the Andreevka-Kurdyumovka-Ozaryanovka section. Now the main question is how many reserves the Ukrainians will bring in for slaughter here.
The subsequent actions of the Russian Army here include an assault on Kleshcheyevka [GB: newer information suggests that the settlement has been taken] and the adjoining suburbs sector near the Mariupol cemetery (southwest of Artyomovsk) and the suburbs sector near the highway to Chasov Yar and the military garrison A-4176 (west of Artyomovsk).
Second, forcing the Seversky Donets-Donbass channel opens up the possibility of covering Dzerzhinsk from the north, as well as splitting the single AFU defense line into four sections: Dzerzhinsk, Konatantinovka, Chasov Yar, and Artyomovsk. The prologue to this will be the battles for Belaya Gora and Dyleevka.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/22835

Posted by: Down South | Nov 29 2022 19:04 utc | 266

The Bakhmut Meat Grinder
In light of the Russian successes of recent days in the “Bakhmut meat grinder,” we can note that the tactic chosen in storming the city was not that of a straightforward frontal assault from the east (especially since the Russian forces had already entered the industrial zone of Artyomovsk in the summer, where they fought along the Patrice Lumumba Street), but to push through the enemy defences on the flanks, in order to encircle the Ukrainian grouping defending the city.
This has already led to the fact that the Russian troops occupied Otradovka to the south of the city, and then not only engaged in fighting for the fortifications in Opytnoye and Ivangrad (the latter has already been taken), but also began to develop an offensive on Kurdyumovka, which breaks the integrity of the enemy front between Artyomovsk and Dzerzhinsk. With the loss of Kurdyumovka, as well as Andreevka, Zelenopolye, and Ozaryanovka, the situation for the Ukrainian forces in this area sharply worsened, and the Russian Army was able not only to develop offensive operations south of Artyomovsk (including in the direction of Chasov Yar), but also to increase pressure on the Ukrainian units near Dzerzhinsk, as well as to expand the zone of control toward Konstantinovka.
An important role in achieving the results of the offensive is played by overwhelming artillery fire (including through competent work with drones and fire correction) and skillful use of assault group tactics, which are characterized by a bypassing nature of the forward advance: threatening the enemy’s flanks, and thus minimizing own losses and maximizing enemy losses, as confirmed by both Western and Ukrainian sources.
Hence the appearance of the term “Bakhmut meat grinder.” In essence, in this section of the front, the Artyomovsk grouping of the AFU and the foreign mercenary forces attached to it are being methodically ground up, making the battle very costly for the Ukrainian army and forcing the Ukrainian command to move more and more reserves into the Artyomovsk and Chasov Yar theatre to reinforce the units and subunits that are being consumed in the battle.
The enemy has been presented with a choice: either continue to suffer the current level of losses while Wagner PMC assault groups envelop the city from the south, or gradually withdraw from Artyomovsk, accepting all the operational consequences of such a move.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/22844

Posted by: Down South | Nov 29 2022 19:05 utc | 267

⚡🇷🇺🇺🇦 “Putin has driven Ukraine into a trap,” ex-commander of NATO forces in Europe.
American General Wesley Clark believes that the actions of the Russian military will force Ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, and the Bakhmut direction will become a bag for grinding the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
“The opposing sides always seek to somehow concentrate their combat power. Therefore, they concentrated on Bakhmut. Taking it, they will gain access to Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. The city also serves as a kind of fire bag for grinding Ukrainian forces. This is what the Russians are striving for. “— he added.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/22854

Posted by: Down South | Nov 29 2022 19:07 utc | 268

Production is not the same as transmission is not the same as end user delivery in electrical grid systems. Besides, it’s abundantly clear that Russia has not attempted to destroy Ukraine’s electrical production capacity but it’s transmission and grid management capacity.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 29 2022 19:23 utc | 269

Every observer influences the reading of events by his or her ideologised perception.
You, Zanon, have a Western, even neo-liberal, reading of the war in Ukraine. You seem to confuse the objectives of NATO (camouflaged provocateur) and those of Russia (uncamouflaged defensive position). And you refuse to broaden your focus to economics and diplomacy.
But you are right about one thing, freedom of speech and the value of analysis, opinions are otherwise of little value.

Posted by: Le Catalan | Nov 29 2022 19:25 utc | 270

Russia is forced to take military action against Ukraine. Ukraine is a failed state. It has been racist since 2014. This anti-Russian racism is promoted by its supporters. In addition, there has been a massive population and capital exodus. Only the armed forces have been invested in. In order to continue to secure at least this support, the fate of Ukraine was tied to US geostrategic interests.
For experienced observers of world events, it was therefore already questionable in 2014 why Russia did not intervene during the Maidan coup. The development of Ukraine was foreseeable and resembled the emergence of the Third Reich. The SA/Right Sector seized the Strasser by force and allowed its supporters access to power that could not have been won by way of democratic elections, which were due in 2014.
Afterwards, the profiteers got rid of those thugs who could not be controlled or even sought undesirable redistribution of the oligarchs’ wealth. The press and radio were brought into line, the opposition banned and persecuted. The seizure of Crimea was Russia’s logical consequence to protect its strategic security interests from the delusional Ukrainian leadership. Ukraine then escalated further along its intellectual one-way street. Russia, however, could not bring itself to a complete solution to the problem. As Porochenko explained, Minsk1 and Minsk2 saved the coup government.
Then Ukraine continued to escalate domestically. After arming the Ukrainian army, it began to prepare its deployment. Russia made a last attempt to reach a diplomatic solution. This did not succeed, as the USA had other interests and so did Ukraine. The consequence continues to this day. Why is that? The support of Ukraine by the USA and the Nato mob has made a quick resolution of the conflict in Russia’s favour more difficult. Russia likes to fight this war as much as you like to kill your beloved dog when it has rabies. Russia’s military is not of the size, nor the doctrine, to conquer large land masses. First and foremost, it has to secure a huge national territory, with a budget that is ridiculously small compared to that of NATO.
The USA also tries to dominate the international relations of states. Russia has little to counter this media and propaganda power. Concentrating an army of 2-3 million men on the Ukrainian border would not have gone unnoticed in terms of reconnaissance. It could also have been a temptation for Nato to weaken Russia’s defence potential with a first strike. So for now they have sunk in and are clawing their way in, conserving their own resources and depleting those of the enemy.
Russia must coordinate its actions in such a way that a further escalation by Nato can be countered.
The destruction of Ukraine within one day is still considered possible by the US leadership. The fact that it has not happened so far also reveals a lot about Russia’s goals. There have also been no attacks on NATO states, although their actions clearly violate the principle of neutrality. Nato is a party to the war. It has only been spared so far because an appropriate reaction by Russia would open up the Third World War. The European governments in particular are not behaving very responsibly towards their voters, as they are risking security and prosperity in order to serve the USA in a leading role in its project of world domination. For me, Russia is the fire brigade in a city, trying to achieve maximum benefit with limited fire-fighting resources, while the pyromaniac USA looks where it can safely do further damage. As long as the US exists in its current form, the world will have to live with the problem. Ukraine, however, will soon be history. The conflict, in its constructed senselessness, is an expression of the West’s helplessness to live in a socially sustainable way.

Posted by: 600w | Nov 29 2022 19:51 utc | 271

Posted by: 600w | Nov 29 2022 19:51 utc | 271
This is one of the best précis of the last 8 years of Ukraine conflict I’ve read. Well done!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2022 20:07 utc | 272

One would think that posters like Zanon and others would understand after 8 months of the SMO that this war is not about Ukraine, but about those that are controlling Ukraine, and their economic and political system which essentially control the world. Ukraine could have been blitzkrieged and destroyed within two weeks, but then Russia would have to face not only a long-term Ukrainian insurgency, but a political, military and economic system that would pull out all the stops to destroy Russia as quickly as possible. Instead, Russia has set the pace against the West, spread out the damage that can be inflicted against themselves, and shown the majority of the world that are not total puppets of the West what the West’s true colours are.
The Russian military remains more or less static while Ukrainians, mercenaries and military equipment get destroyed in futile attacks; EU and US sanctions have boomeranged and not only put their economies in peril but is beginning to cause great public disenchantment because of inflation and energy supply problems; and the West has run out of ideas on how to take out Russia without engaging in all-out war. And that is another reason why Russia is not going all-out…because if the West doesn’t capitulate, it will mean war, and the Russians want to be ready for this. When the gloves come off, you will see some real action, and hopefully it won’t end with a mushroom cloud.

Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Nov 29 2022 20:12 utc | 273

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Russia obviously do not “set the pace” they have been set the pace by Ukraine. It is Ukraine not Russia that have made most gains past 5 months or so.
The obvious goal for any invading power is of course a quick win, not a dragged out war that leads to nowhere. See Vietnam war, now the same idiotic policy rule for russians in this war and thus why they are failing the same as the americans did.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 20:40 utc | 274

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The Russians have not given up anything of value. Note how Hitler’s “Not one step back” orders failed to win the war for Germany. And the Vietnam war has nothing to do with Russia v. Ukraine. The Americans went all out to cause as much damage as possible, whereas the Russians are doing quite the opposite, and for the Americans, the Vietnam war dragged on for 12 years, while the SMO has only been happening for 8 months.

Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Nov 29 2022 20:50 utc | 275

Victor Scarpia
They are not able holding anything of value in this war.
Vietnam war is very similar regarding both US and now Russia completely misjudged the very nation they invaded and instead faced defeat and ended up bogged down.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 20:58 utc | 276

@Posted by: james | Nov 28 2022 16:22 utc | 1
When it comes to Poles, there is no such thing as “needless death.”

Posted by: FVK | Nov 29 2022 22:04 utc | 277

I believe the Ukraine media talking points could be real. You can find similar sorts of documents Goebbels ministry would devise and send to print and radio editors.
It’s less about the stories themselves (propaganda is never complicated, in fact the simpler the better) and more about which things to emphasize and de-emphasize. As we see here.

Posted by: G77 | Nov 29 2022 22:24 utc | 278

I was informed by a relative in Poland that the US style graves are for US, British, and EU “volunteers” and mercenaries who wore, with honor, the Ukrainian uniform.
In many cases it is not possible to determine if the body is of a US Blackwater type advisor, a UK trainer, or an EU medic, or cook etc, so it was decided that standard non religious headstones, such as the US style, would be used for the remains (if any, as sometimes only ID can be recovered).
It has been estimated that several thousand Polish, UK, Georgian, US, and Belorussian mercs and foreign volunteers (in that order of loss) have already been buried in Ukraine ( at least symbolically as many bodies are never recovered from the field, much less identified).

Posted by: Strategic not tactic | Nov 29 2022 22:30 utc | 279

Another 1700?
As Biden said: Whatever it takes.

Posted by: Bilejones | Nov 30 2022 0:16 utc | 280

Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Nov 29 2022 18:29 utc | 263
Witty!
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 29 2022 17:52 utc | 257
Thank you ,but you don’t tell us who you want to win the war. So I guess I will keep watching , to see where your true allegiances lie. Till next time..
Posted by: Strategic not tactic | Nov 29 2022 22:30 utc | 279
I guess, the proof will be in the pudding. Let us see if whole rafts of non-polish names appear on the little square tombstones . The question is , where are the families of all these dead “mercenaries “. No media has done a story on the thousands of Romanian, Polish, US, UK etc mothers, wives and daughters crying and screaming. What do they do with them ?
Pay them off to shut them up? Threaten them with jail for treason for mentioning loved – ones missing overseas? Surely ,rumours would have leaked from relatives of the widowed wives, fatherless daughters and now – sonless mothers.
Where are they ?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 30 2022 6:08 utc | 281

Posted by: Tenet | Nov 29 2022 1:38 utc | 139

“The style of Polish graveyards is typical for a Catholic European country.”
What does “Catholic” have to do with it? Aww, look how great Caths are! In reality, having trees, flowers and individual graves is the norm for ALL European graveyards. But I guess you wanted an opportunity to praise the Caths as some sort of alternative to the evil PROTESTANT!!! Washington regime.
Except Joseph Biden is a Catholic, but whatever. And the military graveyard in Poland will also be Catholic. Or does it stop being Catholic just because it’s a military graveyard? I think the Catholic government would have some objections to that.

To be fair, Biden is evil.
(The italics’s’ are mine, precious’s’ !)

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 30 2022 16:38 utc | 282

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 29 2022 2:55 utc | 147

russian side jesus…
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 28 2022 19:20 utc | 302

Jesus Josefovich Yahweh : Blini with your fish ? A little more jam in your tea ? Cool komrad !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 30 2022 17:34 utc | 283

So sorry !
Should have been “Hésus”, his mother is obviously cuban . . .

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 30 2022 17:47 utc | 284

“er mit Leuten redet, die keinen Bezug zur Realität zu haben scheinen”
(he speaks with people who seem to have to connection to reality”)
That is a bit disturbing, to say the least…

Posted by: Nanabozho | Dec 4 2022 15:45 utc | 285

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