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November 30, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-213

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on November 30, 2022 at 15:23 UTC | Permalink

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@Boomheist | Dec 1 2022 5:29 utc | 166

Re: Mecurious (?) ads on his You Tube - I got fed up a few weeks ago and sent a message saying it was worthless and annoying,
Ok, I get it. This is now the message from troll central in order to discourage people from listening to some truth and good analysis, using a non-argument.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 15:55 utc | 301

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing us he didn't exist...

Posted by: Anne B | Dec 1 2022 2:04 utc | 121
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Or perhaps the devil's greatest trick is convincing us that he is God --- his name, YHWH, the Old Testament author of genocidal horror, slavery, and blood sacrifice. He was "Father" to Talmudic Pharisees, antecedents (not genetic ancestors) of today's usurpers who claim the mantle of The Chosen. Jesus Christ's rare displays of anger targeted these Pharisees, who he described as "whitewashed sepulchres" and more:

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

“You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?” Matthew 23:33

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” Matthew 23:15 (Ukronazis?)

Christ's ultimate crime of course was overturning the moneychangers tables in the temple forecourt.

“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” Matthew 21:13

For this, the High Priests and Pharisees meted out the most humiliating, torturous, and brutal form of capitol punishment, crucifixion.

The faux prodigy of these Pharisees now fully control the Zionist entity in Palestine and the USG/ZATO. From– Benjamin Netanyahu, once again Prime Minister of Apartheid Israel:

“America is a golden calf; and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

"By their fruits, you shall know them." JC

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Dec 1 2022 15:57 utc | 302

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2022 15:33 utc | 293

"I'm not a military man ... and if I may say so ... a debacle ... and one can only conclude that this waste of Ukranian life is profoundly immoral ... and a debacle ... and X is also ... one can only say, A DEBACLE ..."

And so on.

I used to love Mercouris *in print*. He has a written style which is a joy to behold.

I subscribed to his channel, but I no longer bother. He doesn't understand that the past predicts the future, that Putin is a legal autist fag, and that therefore Russia has already lost, insofar as it will settle for splitting Ukraine into parts and thus suffer a strategic defeat. See RSH on what ought to happen. I'm saying what *will* happen.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 15:57 utc | 303

@ migueljose 2

David Cameron supported Ukranian pro- nazi politics before and after he became prime minister. This statement from Stoltenberg that the US was going to push through Nato membership for Ukraine in 2008 explains why his Party was so keen to isolate itself from the EU. The writing was on the wall that war would happen in Ukraine because of US arrogance.

Cameron saw no problem with being on the same side as Nazis in a war against Russia, but other in his party realised that Europe would be destroyed for the sake of US artogance against Russia's security concerns. So they chose to to extricate
themselves from Europe.


I voted for Brexit to weaken Britain's alliance with Europe which had by then destroyed both Libya and Syria. I would have been happy to have kept Freedom of Trade and Movement, but BoJo knew something he wasn't telling us, the decision had been taken already for war in Ukraine.

That certainly explains the boozy parties during lockdown. He was planning his escape from starting the destruction of Europe and starting WW3. Leaving him free to return once the dirty work had been done .aka Churchill.

Stoltenberg and BoJo see themselves as vibtage Hollywood stars moving the steeribg wheel looking beautiful while the great US hegemony adventure is projected onto the screen behind them and the orchestra
Somewhat loudly sweeps the strings...

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2022 15:59 utc | 304

@SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 6:12 utc | 174

I checked out the The Duran dudes for many weeks on a regular basis. Eventually I realized they did not have much to say
Clearly, this is now the latest message from Troll central. So do the opposite of what is suggested.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 15:59 utc | 305

@ Paul Greenwood | Dec 1 2022 14:40 utc | 271
Don Bacon losing money is not the issue.
I didn't make it an issue.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Dec 1 2022 15:59 utc | 306

@abrogard | Dec 1 2022 12:18 utc | 239

Yep, and Mercouris is a bore now. Took a while to realise that but I now see it. They all are. Berletic, Hinckle, Ritter - any and all. Worthless listening to them.
So you are all following orders to come here just to say you don't listen to Mercouris, because he waves his hand, you don't like the background or the microphone is somehow the wrong one. Do you think you are fooling people? There are many people I don't listen to, but I don't come here to announce it. But you do, why? Because these analysts make sense.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:09 utc | 307

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:09 utc | 306

If YWH Himself had a YouTube channel there'd be some whiny bitch coming over to MoA to say what a bore he is.


Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2022 16:15 utc | 308

@ herr ringbone

Putin is a legal artist fag ..

Legalistic?

The great tectonic shift in Europe , the Destruction of Papal power ,was heralded by Martin Luther who questioned whether the Pope was actually Satan. Luther spent the rest of his life in hiding, But he wasn't a legalitic or any other kind of fag. He suffered no kind of defeat and he was on the right side of history, like Vladimir Putin.

Putin has on his team, the anti-Western Muslims of the many- stans. The bum-licking Al Qaida Western pimps and stooges got nowhere to hide.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2022 16:17 utc | 309

@Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 15:57 utc | 302

I subscribed to his channel, but I no longer bother.
Oh, another one that comes here just to say he does not listen to Mercouris.

Curious, huh?

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:18 utc | 310

As many have alluded to, the Ukraine War is not the main event. Horrifically, it is the space where BOTH the US/ZATO and Russia decided to publicly "square off" and test the other. Syria was the opening round, but where the US could count on a lot of side-plays from the likes of Turkey, Israel and the Kurds to involve countries like Iran, Iraq, and the Saudis (among others) to confuse the issue.

Ukraine is a "fishbowl", not the Middle East "lake". And both are microcosms of the "ocean" of WEF/Rothschild-class machinations. North American and EU populations are fed the "you will own nothing, rent everything and be happy" WEF velvet glove propaganda while Ukraine, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan got the "or else" unstated WEF threat. Canada and Australia got a tiny sampling of the "or else" during the Trucker Convoy.

While some neighbours of the Ukie-nazi regime are feeding in varying amounts of weapons and cannon-fodder, those neighbours don't have major empire-builder/jihadist factions controlling the gov'ts/populations as in the ME.

So while Russia slow-roasts the US/ZATO in Ukraine and Syria, it is carefully analyzing and participating in reshaping the full geopolitical/economic international spectrum. This is not a blitzkrieg operation, steadily stripping economic allies away from US/ZATO.

EU countries are mostly tapped out for weapons and death-wish heroes to send to the Ukie-nazis, and new-ZATO members Finland and Sweden get to decide to join the EU slide into deprivation. The US/ZATO has no means to reverse this problem going forward. And how lng before major players like Germany and France can't convince their populations to suffer for Ukraine or even the "climate change(tm)" trump card?

I doubt many EU populations will join the insane push to send actual troops to the Ukraine front. At least not until US bases in EU countries have sent all their troops there as a show of good faith. And the US population will not want to be reminded of a simple truth. "be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box" Afghanistan proved how little tolerance the US people have for dead US soldiers in elective foreign wars, and the US/ZATO elite are running out of willing EU idiots to pour into the killing fields of Ukraine.

Yes, the US/ZATO approach has devolved into "the crazy man" ploy, but it is being revealed as more "paper tiger" than fully functional opponent. The longer this goes, the worse it gets for the US.

And while the US loves to wave its nuclear dick around, the Rothschild class understands both China and Russia know where they live (and where their bomb shelters are). Unlike previous wars, the Rothschild class will not survive a nuclear war they manipulated world powers into.

So no, the "Rothschild sons" don't want a nuclear war they won't survive.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 16:21 utc | 311

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:18 utc | 309

No, it isn't curious. Someone brought up Mercouris; other people commented.

FFS, show some respect. I've posted here on and off for years. I recognize you as a regular. I even, for the most part, respect you. But if even you are going for the "troll" card when people who are *on your side* disagree with you as to the strategic conduct of the war?

Retract.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 16:23 utc | 312

@Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 16:23 utc | 311

FFS, show some respect.
... says the poster who claims Putin is a legal autist fag. Enough said.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:30 utc | 313

@ Skiffer | Dec 1 2022 9:51 utc | 203 /// klaatu various /// anon2020

some funny stuff their.. thanks you 3!

@ bemildred...

thanks for your posts... i have a similar viewpoint to you here...

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:32 utc | 314

folks are testy at moa today... that's too bad..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:35 utc | 315

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:30 utc | 312

Putin isn't posting here, is he?

I will use such vernacular as is necessary to get across my ideas.

But seeing as you have such problems with it:

"Putin has done a great job domestically, but he has always been limited by his naivety as regards his "Western partners", a term he once used non-ironically, and he shows manifest deficiencies as a war leader, principally due to his unwillingness to violate legal norms, puzzlingly enough the very weakest of those norms, i.e. so called "international law", which may not even exist according to some scholars."

I dunno, I thought "legal autist fag" got that across. But hey. You're not a native speaker, so we'll cut you some slack.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 16:37 utc | 316

You’ve got to admire that Ursula woman. The way she wants to seize those Russian assets. As the Bible says you can’t make bricks without straw so she is trying to provide herself with some straw. In a we’ll end our sanctions against the peoples of Europe - who still believes they are against Russia? - and give you back your cash if you’ll sell us diesel for Euros. It won’t work but at least she’s trying. And God loves a trier.

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Dec 1 2022 16:39 utc | 317

@Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 16:37 utc | 315

You're not a native speaker, so we'll cut you some slack.
Oh, that's very respectful of you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:41 utc | 318

Mercouris and Alex of the Duran along with Patrick Lancaster and another Alex who resides in China. An excelent round table. The other Alex was in Monaco for some time and speaks of the Ukraine novae rich heading to Monaco and how money is washed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DUVEi5gos

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 1 2022 16:43 utc | 319

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:41 utc | 317

I told you already. I respected you in the first place. And then you had to piss it away with the "troll" label.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 16:45 utc | 320

@ Herr Ringbone SeanAU etc.

If you don't want the welks don't muckum about,
And keep your babies fingers off the slab
There covered in choclate

With appols to Billy Cotton.
And appreciations to Norwegian

Posted by: Now's the Time | Dec 1 2022 16:46 utc | 321

@Peter AU1 | Dec 1 2022 16:43 utc | 318

The Ukraine story is being covered from a lot of angles these days. So many things happening. It feels like a conclusion is coming 'soon'. A big question for me is when the Eu will disintegrate. I privately said 1 year from now, but another Norwegian (Glenn Diesen) said 5 years. Probably he is more realistic.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:52 utc | 322

@Now's the Time | Dec 1 2022 16:46 utc | 320

Thank you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 16:54 utc | 323

about the right time for someone who has never posted at moa to show up with a particular angle to push..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:57 utc | 324

It won’t work but at least she’s trying. And God loves a trier.
Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Dec 1 2022 16:39 utc

The joke is on Van der Lyin' as Russia has appropriated the industrial properties of US/ZATO poodles who "left Russia because of the sanctions".
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/business/companies-pulling-back-russia-ukraine-war-intl-hnk/index.html

Some were "we won't ship to Russia anymore" types, but for example, several auto manufacturers are essentially abandoning their operations and investments.
https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-03-24/renault-shares-down-1-5-after-company-suspends-moscow-plant-over-war-in-ukraine

Add all that abandoned industry up and it will surpass the amount of the stolen Russian foreign reserves pretty quickly.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 17:07 utc | 325


It occurs to me that many here have ‘wives’ who spent time in the kitchen preparing meals for them although I know, as formerly revealed, some men barflies take pride in doing some kitchen work.
As someone who prepares meals daily, and who puts up food seasonally, and who regularly does home maintenance stuff that requires activity where my ears can listen while my body is otherwise engaged, I really appreciate Alex Christoforou, Alexander Mercouris, Brian Berletic and a few others who do geopolitical analysis published in audio/video format because it gives me something worthwhile to listen to while I chore around and lift weights.
As it is practice here since forever that no tv and little radio broadcasting pollutes the peace, although since Feb 2022 it’s been no radio, I am also very grateful to b and all you barflies for helping me to understand our world. Thanks.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 1 2022 17:08 utc | 326

On the Ursula von der leyen speech, it was not 100k dead of course:

Dana Spinant, deputy chief spokeswoman and Director for Political Communication for the European Commission, clarified on Twitter that the 100,000 figure was meant as a rough estimate of total Ukrainian military casualties, including both dead and wounded.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1597928159336615936

Probably based on this as I linked days ago:

Ukraine war: US estimates 200,000 military casualties on all sides
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63580372

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 17:13 utc | 327

@ suzan | Dec 1 2022 17:08 utc | 325

you're right! my wives name is susan fwiw... i appreciate your posts and commentary and this is another fine example of your approach!

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 17:14 utc | 328

@Norwegian. No u are the idiot

90% of people like to watch their videos on the official app. Its easier.

2 ads every 3 minutes is ridiculous no matter who you are. Especially when you speak 10 words a minute.

Posted by: Comandante | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 329

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 17:07 utc | 324

It's very possible that if/when Ursula announces the "seizure" of Russian EUR or USD assets and bonds in western banks, it will just accelerate the willingness of commodity and refined producers to move to the BRICS/SCO trading system. My bet is US will have some kind of contingency plan or loophole in place to be able use their US dollar in those places, but EU will have NO contingency plan in place.

Thinking about it, if EU goes alone in this "confiscation", they will take the largest blow alone, as countries in the Global South will be shocked and scared of EU as a partner, and saving assets in EU banks. This seems more like a US set up elaborate trap to weaken EU, in addition to all the other stuff like sanctions, so far.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 330

Norwegian is spot on. Those here throwing shade at Mercouris are very obvious trolls. You are best off doing the opposite of what the trolls are trying to influence your to do. Same trolls in other fora will fling feces at our host here.

Legit readers should avoid getting caught up in these efforts to force memes. Make note of those posting here who piled on Mercouris and keep this in mind as you come across their posts in the future.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 331

Posted by: Now's the Time | Dec 1 2022 16:46 utc | 320

Which means ... we all sing from the same hymn sheet, whilst not disturbing whelks or pilfering chocolate? Metaphorically.

Isn't this the low point of MoA discourse?

Everybody has to love the SMO uncritically, love Mercouris et al (yeah, I used to), never disagree with the soi disant "regulars" at the "bar", even when you are one?

Appreciations to Norwegian for what? Gratuitously calling other posters trolls because they've listened to Mercouris and eventually concluded he's lost it?

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 17:18 utc | 332

How many coming out from the sewers to criticize the SMO and VVP..they are just like the rotting in their muddy trenches: useless brainwashed zombies.

Posted by: LuBa | Dec 1 2022 17:18 utc | 333

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 331

There's a good reason why US is not jumping in on this confiscation thing themselves, as they have a heck of a lot to lose. So Ursula van' der lyin' will happily take the hit, once again.

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:18 utc | 334

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 332

Everything I said to Norwegian goes ditto for you. FFS. I used to look out for your comments. And now what? It's all trolls, all the time.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 17:22 utc | 335

@suzan | Dec 1 2022 17:08 utc | 326

Well said. Similar here.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 17:28 utc | 336

@William Gruff | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 331

Thanks. I have been contemplating finding a private way of keeping track, but because I prefer to judge each post here without too much baggage, it hasn't happened so far. But sometimes the pattern is too obvious.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 17:35 utc | 337

The internet, it's just trolls all the way down now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 1 2022 17:42 utc | 338

@ bemildred...

thanks for your posts... i have a similar viewpoint to you here...

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:32 utc | 314

Thanks, best regards to you too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 1 2022 17:44 utc | 339

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 1 2022 17:35 utc | 337

Yeah, "the pattern" being people who have posted here for years but who currently have a minor disagreement with you about certain Internet commentators, most of whom have an admitted lack of expertise in the relevant fields.

Unbelievable. The Ukraine War will be the death of this place. It's already like the Moonies in terms of conformity.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Dec 1 2022 17:58 utc | 340

There is no danger of analysts like Mercouris, or our host here, or Pepe Escobar, or the others being attacked by the trolls of having an oversized presence in the global geopolitical discourse. Trying to steer readers away from them only serves the Empire.

Why attack these voices when there are whole choirs of coordinated liars spewing their false narratives from atop enormous corporate mass media soapboxes at deafening volumes? If those being attacked are wrong, they’ll just be drowned out by the Mighty Wurlitzer. The only way their words can reach ears is if they are right, since truth often has a built-in signal boost. Again, attacking them can only serve the Empire.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2022 18:02 utc | 341

Stoltenberg and BoJo see themselves as vintage Hollywood stars moving the steering wheel looking dapper while the great US hegemony adventure is projected onto the screen behind them and the orchestra somewhat loudly bows the strings...

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2022 15:59 utc | 304

A GREAT sentence! Worth a round at least!
I took the liberty of correcting two or three spelling errors and in so doing couldn't resist changing 'beautiful' to dapper and 'sweeps' to bows.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2022 18:05 utc | 342

Regarding Alexander Mercouris, if you watch his videos on The Duran Locals page, you won't see any ads.

Posted by: Jovi | Dec 1 2022 18:10 utc | 343

And while the US loves to wave its nuclear dick around, the Rothschild class understands both China and Russia know where they live (and where their bomb shelters are). Unlike previous wars, the Rothschild class will not survive a nuclear war they manipulated world powers into. So no, the "Rothschild sons" don't want a nuclear war they won't survive.

Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 16:21 utc | 311

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Agreed. Well said - the whole post.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2022 18:13 utc | 344

@ Richard Steven Hack [87]

I agree with the gist of your comments, but not the idea that Russia will certainly absorb western Ukraine. If the anti-Russian people in Ukraine became "part of Russia", they would get to vote and be politically active, forming what we would then have to call a "7th Column". I think Russia's best option might be a "404" zone for 100 years.Neither Poland, Hungary, Slovakia or Romania should get any territory because those lands (well, maybe not Hungary) would just recreate the anti-Russia weapon. And, such land would be a reward for aggression against Russia. But the Kremlin might be thinking more long-term, and permanent heartfelt popular regime change in Warsaw and Bucharest might become Russia's later goal.

Mike Whitney's problem is that he has spread himself too thinly (economics, war, etc.) and as a result, he's using too few sources. It's damn near a full-time job to understand what's going on with the war against Russia (and China and Iran, and _ and _ and) and you need a long gaze, a long evaluation of the various would-be sources, and a hard-working brain to put together an analysis that is merely reasonably accurate.

There are two keys to understanding everything. First, the 3 goals Putin stated at the start of the SMO and more recently verified by Lavrov. The second is an understanding that this war was planned by the UK in the 1890's (by building up Japan as a military power) and has never stopped. You can even read Guy Mettan's book and discover German princes were already working to make a religious schism - google "filoque", as part of a plan to grab what would become Russia, starting around 850 AD. Mettan is Swiss, not Orthodox AFAIK, and he stumbled onto this briar patch when he adopted two Russian children and decided the kids needed to know about their former homeland. So Mettan is not a polemicist.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Dec 1 2022 18:33 utc | 345

Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc | 330

Interesting perspective, makes sense. Also makes sense that the blowback will eclipse all possible gains but maybe vdL will reprise her Pfizer card shuffling tricks and wangle another retirement bonus out of it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 1 2022 18:48 utc | 346

@ james 314

I will own up for my own testiness. It may be infectious.
Further up the page a comment was made that Asians will flatter your ego and catch you on your own ground. Or something like that.

Speaking as someone who was rather actively softened up to sell to Usukis as a patsy jihadist, that statement hit a raw nerve.

I hope nobody will mind me saying it's a bit weird to find a blog with wall to wall venom against the Usukis neocons and their spawn. You cannot all have arrived at this mindset by the same route. All empires are poisonous to ingest. No wonder people are testy . That's the empire's poison .

I'm much more delighted to meet you all than you may be to meet me. Your sanity and outspokeness are brilliant, maybe sometimes over optimistic imho.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2022 18:49 utc | 347

This seems more like a US set up elaborate trap to weaken EU, in addition to all the other stuff like sanctions, so far.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc

If the US has some economic/financial trapdoor they plan on sliding away from being sucked down by the mayhem they have caused, I have yet to see anyone explain what/where/how that might be accomplished. The US is seriously tanking in real terms despite the patriotic, tough-guy rhetoric.

I think the US (and therefore NATO) is beyond any coherent policy, what we are seeing in Ukraine and sanctions appears to be more tactical than widely strategic. I would not be surprised if the US "leadership", gov't and corporate, is getting gaslit by the Rothschild class. Trudy was surely promised permanent dictatorial rule over Canada, and Freeland probably Ukraine. It ain't working out that way.

In other than the crudest "power" terms, what could the US itself possibly gain from destroying the EU countries (not necessarily eliminating the EU power structure), ostensibly to stymie Russia and China? Ya, the US might control the EU/NATO but at the cost of the economic/social/military ability of their largest bloc of ideological and trading partners.

So we again have to look further up the "who benefits" food chain.

Imagine there is a group of people who have been consciously accumulating wealth and power for centuries, but don't overtly control any of the major economies of the world. They can only advance their agenda so far by driving from the back seat as they have been. And while usurping the governments/banks of many countries affords them wealth, status and power, the world should KNOW just how wonderful they and their "vision" are. Show me a billionaire without an imperial ego and I'll show you a very rare species of human. Ditto for a Class of those Billionaires. (Trillionaires?)

Now imagine THE COMPROMISED LEADERSHIP (gov't and corporate) of an entire group of countries controlled by this Class destroying or co-opting both other countries and their own in a way that enhances the power of this Class.

Well you don't have to "imagine" it.

Russia, China and their increasing circle of partners are building a system which does not rely on the post-WW2 US PETRODOLLAR backed system and the Rothschild-class are seeing 400 years of careful preparation swept away.

Add unexpected challenges to US$-only reserve status like Bitcoin and even "staunch allies" like the Saudis agreeing to trade oil in other currencies.

THAT is why the Great Reset was foisted NOW and not after the WEF Slow Motion Coups in Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. were fully realized.

This was supposed to all be over by 2035, the US, backed by the Rothschild Class was going to overthrow or overwhelm those Russia/China upstarts.

Rothschild Class believed in the US military paper-tiger (money spent equals capability, right?). OOPS! Putin, Xi and Bitcoin were not big factors for the self-absorbed, bubble-wrapped Rothschild Class two decades ago when the WEF/Davos crowd were really starting to be puffed up on their own propaganda and greed, but they sure are consequential now...


Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 19:32 utc | 348

This seems more like a US set up elaborate trap to weaken EU, in addition to all the other stuff like sanctions, so far.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2022 17:17 utc

I wouldn't disagree. But I would pose the question: is bringing the EU down more important than doing Russia down? The US should reflect this.

Posted by: laguerre | Dec 1 2022 19:50 utc | 349

Bemildred ( Dec 1 2022 17:42 utc | 338 ) wrote:

The internet, it's just trolls all the way down now.
Thanks, made me smile :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2022 20:42 utc | 350

Hoi,

So do the opposite of what is suggested.
@ Norwegian | 305

I did not make any suggestion. I said what I thought and what I did about it.

YOU are the one who is telling other people what to do here!

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 21:26 utc | 351

...because he waves his hand
@Norwegian | 307

Is there a Law against not liking or being distracted/annoy by non-stop effeminate hand waving and affectations?

You're the one being a nazi control freak and a troll about opinions you do not like or are annoyed by. Jeez.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 21:30 utc | 352

laguerre

LOL little frenchman Macron whine on US for bad EU economic development,

Emmanuel Macron to use US visit to highlight Ukraine war’s economic toll on EU
https://www.ft.com/content/9098fb12-28db-4e39-b1d7-8c5c913dc0fe

That little frenchman do not realize this is the aim of the US.
You still vote for Macron lol?

Posted by: Zanon | Dec 1 2022 21:36 utc | 353

Following along with the paranoia theme for a moment ...

Look at the Trolls out in force today, in a coordinated campaign complaining about and concern trolling over paid advertisements. They are even spamming links to free but dangerous insecure software tools that block ads. OMG. These Anarchists are trying to undermine our Capitalist way of life, the economy, in fact our very Civilization!

Shut them up!


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Sometimes this place is as entertaining and surreal as watching a Joe Biden speech. That's 'Entertaining' in the sense of watching a train wreck happen.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 21:43 utc | 354

re @ SeanAU | now 173

[...] Worthless listening to them. Mere speculation. [...] The war is absolutely beyond anyone's ken. It defies rational interpretation. It daily looks more like a deadly charade than anything else.
Posted by: abrogard | Dec 1 2022 12:18 utc | 239

I can relate to that and the rest of what you said.

And my thought for the Day is ... 'We're all news aggregators now.'

Trouble is most the 'news' is BS to begin with.

As bad as the opinions that arise from it - like the steam off a freshly laid turd.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 1 2022 21:57 utc | 355

What? Again?? Elon is a pussy.

“@SpriterMonitor1
This account doesn’t exist
Try searching for another.”

Oh my god they killed Kenny, again, bastards😂

He will rise again!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2022 22:43 utc | 356

please, please Barflies everywhere: Colombia and Colombians, not with a 'U'...

Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Dec 6 2022 18:19 utc | 357

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