I wonder how the EU will handle all the ukrop refugees amid all the issues with inflation and gas shortages and what not.

Posted by: leaf | Nov 25 2022 13:45 utc | 1

How? They won't. In all my life I have never come across such a bunch of nasty evil hypocrites as the Leaders of today's collective West. Hell bent on total world power thus the support of the brutal Nazi dictator clown known as the President of Ukraine.

They simply cannot accommodate these refugees. All they want is to destroy Russia and they won't achieve that either. They cannot act in a manner that is legal and honest. All they have is malice vitriol and vicious and unwarranted hatred towArds Russia who has ruined their megalomaniac plans. God Bless President Putin.

Hell, is there one Statesman other than Orban who has the courage to stand up and be counted.

Alexander Mercouris in his broadcast yesterday highlighted how pitiful their ability is to make any serious decisions and the appalling lack of Statecraft. So instead of activeach diploracy in terms of resolving they are making resolutions like making Russian a State Sponsor of Terror. Stupid decision that is worthless.

They need to be replaced with serious adults.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Nov 25 2022 14:03 utc | 2

There's a total reality dysfunction going on in the western world.
Complete removal from the reality of what is happening.
Mind you the people with the affliction.
Are not the one's impacted.
Or going to be impacted.
Which explains why.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 14:08 utc | 3

They need to be replaced with serious adults.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Nov 25 2022 14:03 utc | 2

The system doesn't produce them in the power center's anymore Jo

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 14:10 utc | 4

I’m not sure how this conflict is going to end. The only thing I can say with a degree of certainty is that what remains of the Ukraine will become an unlivable failed state. I no longer feel bad for any of those people as they brought it upon themselves.

Posted by: Nick | Nov 25 2022 14:19 utc | 5

I question the reality of the first image

1. They see light through clouds?
2. Why are the 4 former Ukrainian provinces equally dark like the remaining Ukraine?

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 14:22 utc | 6

Gonzalo Lira:
2022.11.24 What It's Like When The Lights Go Out In A Warzone

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 14:23 utc | 7

jpc @ 4

You hit the nail on the head.

Norwegian @ 6

I saw that too. And also saw a nightime photo where the 4 oblasts were lit up. Perfect map of frontline. In yet other photos it appears much of Russia near Ukraine has been dark. Photos don't lie, photo interpretation remains an art.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 25 2022 14:26 utc | 8

Producing serious adults will take a generation reared on different lessons than the "leaders" we have in power today. We still are led by people that think the West is superior and should lead the world since they grew up at a time of Western military and economic superiority (Biden was born in 1942 for example). Asia's economic growth and Russia's military power have created a different world but it will take a long time for this reality to first filter into the Western brain and then for a new generation to come to power reflecting this reality.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 25 2022 14:28 utc | 9

Russia's SMO has always seemed to me like a hostage rescue action. I Imagine a building full of my relatives and compadres captured by nazis. Unfortunately but inevitably, over time many captives grow to support the people who hold their lives in the balance.

Makes the rescue much more difficult but turning the lights out seems to be causing a major shift.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 25 2022 14:28 utc | 10

With respect, the idea that the western elites are somehow not "adults" or are living in a "reality Dysfunction," while I certainly understand how someone can make that conclusion, is simply not true. The western elites are vicious and amoral but they are very very smart. Sure, their proxies often appear senile, but so what? Soros, Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos, the heads of the Wall Street and London banks, etc., are very sharp.

They baited Putin into launching an attack, and so far have gotten him stuck in a quagmire. He can't disengage, and currently has no plausible path to real victory. It doesn't matter how much Ukraine is devastated, it doesn't matter how much the working class of the western world is impoverished (which is the long-term plan anyhow), they aim to bleed Russia to collapse, and then split it up and loot it like they started to do under Yeltsin.

Putin is a smart man too, and perhaps he will find a way to victory. None of us here can say for certain. But his western opponents are as vicious and intelligent as any statesman that ever walked the earth.

Posted by: TG | Nov 25 2022 14:34 utc | 11

Posted by: bevin | Nov 24 2022 18:45 utc | 17 (from yesterday)

Sorry, but I just have to applaud the above post - one of the best i've seen anywhere. (OK, so maybe I don't get out much)

To me, it speaks so eloquently of b, and most(all?) of the "regulars"

As b's writing has been "flying over the target" of late, he has deftly walked a tight-rope in maintaining the "magic" of this place.

Hopefully more oases(?) like this spring up all over as the people rise up to take back their autonomy, freedom, liberty & destiny - as it is they alone who should determine it

If I may close, also with a Bible verse: "Iron sharpens iron; so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend"

Posted by: ianMoone | Nov 25 2022 14:35 utc | 12

@oldhippie | Nov 25 2022 14:26 utc | 8

Photos don't lie, photo interpretation remains an art.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 14:35 utc | 13

@ leaf 1

2 minute cure for inflation , give Russia back its money and put the Azov dogs back in their kennels. Normal Ukranians could them take back Ukraine and normal politicians could take back Europe.

This would have the added advantage of saving us the bother of hanging drawing snd quartering the present bunch of crazies or locking them in padded cells.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2022 14:47 utc | 14

There's a total reality dysfunction going on in the western world.
Complete removal from the reality of what is happening.
Mind you the people with the affliction.
Are not the one's impacted.
Or going to be impacted.
Which explains why.
Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 14:08 utc | 3

What if the West or Ukraine cannot be affected by the Russian actions?
What if they have lost ability to access and understand reality?
I.q. what if state of minds of Ukrainians and E nations is so deformed by the sense of superiority that the cold winter would not affect them.

Posted by: margot | Nov 25 2022 14:49 utc | 15

The all dark pic of Ukraine, even for Donbass, is not credible.

I cannot see Putin quitting until Odessa is in hand. The area left is not worth having. A DMZ of sorts might fix any issues. No toilets for an urban population will force departures.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Nov 25 2022 14:52 utc | 16

Norwegian @ 13

You do not know how a small pixelated image on a computer screen has been processed.

Please continue to be unconvinced. Believe half of what you see and none of what you read.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 25 2022 15:00 utc | 17

2 minute cure for inflation...

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2022 14:47 utc | 14

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Inflation is inherent in the system. One of the inevitable results of the interest economy.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 25 2022 15:03 utc | 18

@oldhippie | Nov 25 2022 15:00 utc | 17

You do not know how a small pixelated image on a computer screen has been processed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 15:04 utc | 19

I feel very sad for the portion of Ukranian people who have not supported the Nazi madness.
Clearly, there will be many.
As socialists and humanitarians, we can only offer them our sympathy and solidarity.
We must not blame the victims who have been misled and sacrificed.

Much of UK and Europe is being misled by the same malevolent forces of US imperialism and by EU and UK politicians who are bought and paid for.

Look at the UK Labour Party - led by Sir Kier Starmer, KCB [Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath]
Ridiculous !!
Also - Sir Kier Starmer - the only member of the UK Parliament who is a member of the hated Trilateral Commission - A major driving force for US political dominance.
- Just as NATO is the military arm of US foreign policy in Europe.

Never blame the victims.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 25 2022 15:10 utc | 20

TG @ 11

I agree with your assessment of the US led western cadre of leaders. My study of US history - from slavery to Jim Crow to redlining, from indigenous decimation to the subjugation of Hawaii to invasions of multiple Latin American countries, from supporting apartheid S. Africa to supporting apartheid Israel, from supporting one dictator after another, from bombing Iraq to destroying Libya to taking over Syrian territory to trying to overthrow the Venezuelan govt multiple times, from fomenting global conflict in the Koreas to Taiwan and now pushing the world to the brink of nuclear war and global economic meltdown by expanding NATO and arming and supporting Ukraine- proves that the leaders of the US are vicious, ruthless, and, unfortunately, insidiously and recalcitrantly intelligent.

Thanks to b and barflies for the lively and informative atmosphere. Recovering from Thanks-Mourning day...yes I give thanks for what I have as the recipient of US culture and hegemony while mourning the loss of life and culture inflicted on Indigenous Nations at the same time. The cognitive dissonance of being a US citizen is only highlighted further on such a holiday.

Here's to finding our way to the Fourth World, as proposed by George Manuel, as quickly as possible. Cheers.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Nov 25 2022 15:10 utc | 21

As the saying goes, "Belive half of what you see and nothing that you hear."
We're going to start seeing western politicians calling more and more for some sort of peace talks or cease fire. They know Russia is getting ready to boot stomp the Ukrops as soon as the ground freezes. Odessa will become part of the RF. Just a matter of time. There is absolutely no need to rush anything. The collapse of the west is the main show here.

Posted by: Watzov | Nov 25 2022 15:13 utc | 22

Brightest city by far on this view is Moscow.

Posted by: JustTruth | Nov 25 2022 15:16 utc | 23

Has anyone got any information on how the agriculture industry there is being affected with reference to 2023? The only news items I find are generally associated with 2022 harvest but nothing really about prep and planting for 2023.

Posted by: wink | Nov 25 2022 15:17 utc | 24

"what if state of minds of Ukrainians and E nations is so deformed by the sense of superiority that the cold winter would not affect them."

Posted by: margot | Nov 25 2022 14:49 utc | 15

Ayn Rand comes to mind here...

"You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"

Posted by: ianMoone | Nov 25 2022 15:23 utc | 25

Is that Bile Island due south of Odessa ?

Did someone forget to switch out the lights ?

Any theories how if got to be as bright as that on the 24th?

Posted by: Lapin | Nov 25 2022 15:32 utc | 26

What about that NASA photo? Does the website want to use it as some kind of mounted trophy?

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Nov 25 2022 15:32 utc | 27

Obviously, I looked at the large original in the NASA link.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 15:04 utc | 19

I don't see how you can be unconvinced. How is NASA likely to have manipulated the image so one side of the border is dark, and the other bright? Even if NASA is not independent of US govt control, it's an unlikely form of disinformation. The chronological comparison with last year is not v. useful, as the cloud cover was different.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 25 2022 15:33 utc | 28

I question the reality of the first image

1. They see light through clouds?
2. Why are the 4 former Ukrainian provinces equally dark like the remaining Ukraine?

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 14:22 utc | 6

I questioned the one on Intelslava yesterday too. It showed western Russia noticeably darker too. These things have to be the easiest to fake/manipulate.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 25 2022 15:34 utc | 29

re: "Brightest city by far on this view is Moscow."

Might be partially due to the glow of the mushrooming arson around the city.

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Nov 25 2022 15:36 utc | 30

I’m not sure how this conflict is going to end. The only thing I can say with a degree of certainty is that what remains of the Ukraine will become an unlivable failed state. I no longer feel bad for any of those people as they brought it upon themselves.Posted by: Nick

The average Ukrainian did not bring the wrath they're going through on themselves. They're powerless and only react to their realities. Like most in the west, they are also brainwashed to the point of stupor, thus act out of ignorance. saying they brought it on themselves is like saying the average American brought the terrorist attack on 9/11 on themselves. The fact that these Ukrainians are powerless and cannot possibly affect their own circumstances, shows how perverse these western elites are. We all should keep that in mind, average Ukrainians are blameless in all of this.

Posted by: AntiLogic | Nov 25 2022 15:41 utc | 31

thanks b and all those who make moa a richer place to visit..

@ norweigian, oldhippie, objective observer, jo dominich and others in this thread - thanks.. i agree - the pic seems wrong and of course the west is led by a bunch of messed up people for the world to be here at this point.. grow pains i suppose..

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2022 15:41 utc | 32

The NASA images at the beginning of this thread remind me of images in Wikipedia's article on Synthetic Aperture Radar - which I looked up before coming here.

I had bèen reading remarks on the first page of comments on the previous Ukraine thread - particularly a claim that AFU had access to precise Western targeting data obtained from satellite imagery; and therefore beyond Russia's ability to interdict physically.

I recaĺled reading about (?) Aperture Radar a few years ago but it took me a while to recall the missing word = synthetic. Apparently SAR can produce hi-res topographical maps from aircraft and/or satellites. So the claim made about West-supplied targeting data for AFU is probably true. However, I'd be very surprised if SAR proficiency is exclusive to the West, in 2022.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 25 2022 15:47 utc | 33

The NASA image tool is fabulous! I encourage everyone to explore it. Pick the 24 Nov. 2022 image and use the backward arrow to toggle back in time: you will see the dramatic decrease in Ukraine brightness (and Moldova) while the rest of the countries remain bright. You can zoom in or out by dragging up or down on your touchpad (I'm using a MacBook). You can generate an animation from a previous date up to the latest (or anything in between). And you can choose other locations in the box near top right. Wonderful!

Thank you, b. Your website is excellent.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 25 2022 15:48 utc | 34

1. Russian occupied regions are dim because they're lightly populated now, it shows most people left.

2. Donbas is lit up, read a map.

3. This isn't permanent and anyone thinking they can't adapt enough to grid electricity problems is fooling themselves. The Ukrainians are just there to be conscripted
They don't need a functioning economy. Whatevers needed for the war effort will be imported. And they also don't care about suffering civilians either, unless it can be used in propoganda.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 25 2022 15:51 utc | 35

The two images are recorded with different settings. There should have been some cloud cover somewhere in the first, but there isn't. But it is a NASA image, with the sensor set to night-time radiance. That's right for the point being made. The question is one side of the border or the other, and it shows that very clearly.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 25 2022 15:56 utc | 36

Re: NASA

I have come to believe 3 things about NASA. This does not mean I am correct. However:

a. NASA may not be housed in the Dept of Defense, but there are missions (perhaps many?) paid for by that Dept. Out of the "black" budget???

Therefore, NASA leaders might be incentivized to do the bidding of DoD. Maybe.

b. NASA is gonna spend a lot of $$$ going to the Moon and Mars. This is probably a gross waste of big bux.

However, in order to get the Congress behind NASA, PR-oriented activities are necessary. And Congress-pleasing releases of info are in order. Maybe.

c. The US public doesn't really care about anything these days, including how many wars are ongoing, the cost of them, or the cost of NASA. Inflation? As long as I pay less at the gas pump (to fuel my enormous vehicle) -- there is no inflation.

So NASA's budget isn't a subject of discussion (neither is that of the DoD).

However, NASA does a lot of things aimed at boosting its image in the public eye -- such as the alleged hit on that asteroid a few weeks ago.

- - - - -

I am willing to admit I am off-base on all 3 counts. However, when I see stuff from NASA, all 3 of those things are in my head.

Posted by: JoeFrmlyOfBklyn | Nov 25 2022 15:59 utc | 37

I.q. what if state of minds of Ukrainians and E nations is so deformed by the sense of superiority that the cold winter would not affect them.

Posted by: margot | Nov 25 2022 14:49 utc | 15

Not so much superiority.
Numbed by the opium of cheap energy holidays yo wherever and no questions asked about anything or the inclination to ask them in the main.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 16:00 utc | 38

The tone in the Western MSM is optimistic.
They say Ukraine is able to cope with all problems caused by teh lack of electricity.
But we do not know what the real situation is.

Posted by: margot | Nov 25 2022 16:02 utc | 39

They [western 'leaders'] need to be replaced by serious adults. Jo Dominich.

Venal, corrupt, incompetent self-serving western leaders are a feature, not a bug, of predatory finance capitalism. It is a system that elevates the worst people to positions of power. Individuals who consider the welfare of a society an important thing, who even think in terms of 'society,' or take a long term view of the general welfare are shunted off to the margins, rendered irrelevant. The craven, the mendacious, the blindly ambitious are treated as the center, as the thought leaders, the luminati. It's a pathological system producing pathological leaders. It's the West.

Posted by: Mike R | Nov 25 2022 16:05 utc | 40

@ Posted by: AntiLogic | Nov 25 2022 15:41 utc | 31
“We all should keep that in mind, average Ukrainians are blameless in all of this.” Most people would agree. BTW – have we heard anything from Ms. V. Nuland lately?

Posted by: fanto | Nov 25 2022 16:09 utc | 41

Lvov still glowing sullenly. Maybe the next wave will put it out.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 25 2022 16:09 utc | 42

Putin is a smart man too, and perhaps he will find a way to victory. None of us here can say for certain. But his western opponents are as vicious and intelligent as any statesman that ever walked the earth.

Posted by: TG | Nov 25 2022 14:34 utc | 11

It's an interesting observation that you have made TG.
It's the amoral viciousness of the unchallenged bully.
The US blew 6/8 trillions on Iraq Afghanistan and the rest.
No accountability no questions.
The same with the vacuous imbeciles who supposedly run Europe.

Too scared to make their own decisions and here we are.
It's all or nothing.
And the all is turning Russia into a carcass to cut up.
You are completely correct on that.
In the meantime Europe will do.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 16:13 utc | 43

@ AntiLogic | Nov 25 2022 15:41 utc | 31

thanks for saying that.. i agree..

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2022 16:14 utc | 44

@laguerre | Nov 25 2022 15:33 utc | 28

I don't see how you can be unconvinced. How is NASA likely to have manipulated the image so one side of the border is dark, and the other bright? Even if NASA is not independent of US govt control, it's an unlikely form of disinformation. The chronological comparison with last year is not v. useful, as the cloud cover was different.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 16:21 utc | 45

Europe thinks they are on the side of the angels, hence their bitterness that nothing is working out as promised by to them by the U.S. Their virtue and tolerance for all identities marks them as the most enlightened on the planet. They expect this to carry over to everything they do. Because it’s not working out that way, it makes them very bitter and angry and unable to deal with reality. Evil is winning out over good. It simply can’t be happening and so it isn’t.

Posted by: Reno | Nov 25 2022 16:21 utc | 46

BTW – have we heard anything from Ms. V. Nuland lately?

Posted by: fanto | Nov 25 2022 16:09 utc | 41

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I heard she was a guest speaker at a secret Democrat convention recently.

https://youtu.be/TrjLNpfDTi0?t=51

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 25 2022 16:22 utc | 47

Posted by: Watzov | Nov 25 2022 15:13 utc | 22

Russia is getting ready to boot stomp the Ukrops as soon as the ground freezes. Odessa will become part of the RF. Just a matter of time. There is absolutely no need to rush anything. The collapse of the west is the main show here.

Conjecture: The big offensive may still require more readiness for sacrifices of life and limb in the Russian society. I guess that a big terrorist event (pure military measures are unlikely, given the status of the UAF) can become the time wise unwanted trigger. As a side effect, such event (like e.g. a NPP disaster, dirty bomb, long-range missile attack on a Russian city, NATO forces openly on the ground…) will give Russia additional moral justification in the eyes of the world. (I’m not talking about the collective West here). This considered, both sides may just continue what they are doing now. Russia may use the winter to crank up the “grinding pressure” and fortify its positions for next year. I don’t see them necessarily storm this season. No need to rush it, collapse takes time.

And yes, Odessa is a Russian city.

Posted by: OttoE | Nov 25 2022 16:28 utc | 48

Interesting interview
I took a LIBERAL, ANTI WAR Protester to see the truth in Donbass, and THIS Happened!

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2022 16:30 utc | 49

Putin: Donbass should have been taken into Russia earlier (EurAsia Daily, November 25, 2022 — in Russian)

…
“Regarding 2014, of course, hindsight is 20/20, but our thinking was that maybe we’ll be able to reach a settlement, and Lugansk, Donetsk will somehow be able to reunite with the Ukraine within the framework of Minsk agreements. We sincerely were trying to achieve that, but we weren’t completely in tune with people’s sentiments, it wasn’t possible to completely understand what was going on there,” said the head of state. “Now, perhaps, it became obvious that this reunification should have happened earlier. Maybe there wouldn’t be so many casualties among civilians, there wouldn’t be so many children dying under the shellings.”
…

Posted by: S | Nov 25 2022 16:53 utc | 50

The fact that these Ukrainians are powerless and cannot possibly affect their own circumstances, shows how perverse these western elites are. We all should keep that in mind, average Ukrainians are blameless in all of this.

Posted by: AntiLogic | Nov 25 2022 15:41 utc | 31

The former ukrainians of Donbass disagree! They retained their human dignity and rebelled against illegal circumstances. The passive ukrainians have made a choice.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 25 2022 17:03 utc | 51

Is Russia ever going to formally accuse the US of destroying the Nord stream pipelines or just allow that blatant act of war to be memory holed ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 25 2022 17:08 utc | 52

@ Givane [14]

2 minute cure for inflation , give Russia back its money and put the Azov dogs back in their kennels. Normal Ukranians could them take back Ukraine and normal politicians could take back Europe.

You need to dig much deeper for facts you don't have, and then think long and hard to put the facts together.

1. The inflation is more from paper dollars and especially Euro-dollars than from sanctions. The crash of European banks has been developing for over 10 years. Tom Luongo has dome some eye-opening analysis just in the last year, and he is easy to google.

2. There can't be any putting the Azov dogs "back in their kennels" because the Nazis will simply bide their time, rebuild their strength and strike again. In WW2, the Banderistas did the dirty work of the Nazis because regular Nazis soldiers were fighting a real war and didn't waste time on genocides. So the OPA did the genocides including the Wolyn massacre (250,000 victims), the Babi Yar massacres (137,00 to 187,000 victims, of which 37,000 were Jews) and the massacres of entire villages in Belarus (2,400,000 victims) in the winter of 1942-43. A week before WW2 ended, Allen Dulles, running the OSS office in Switzerland, arranged for Wehrmacht General Gehlen to start working for Washington, along with his extensive network of agents in Ukraine. It's hard to get statistics on how many people died 1945-1959 in the Nazi resistance to Soviet rule. I've seen 15,000 to 250,000. If anyone has data, please tell us. So 1945-1959 was a separate war by these Nazi dogs. You should also know that the Ukro-Nazis have organizational continuity to today. They were headed by Stepan Bandera's widow, until 1993 or so, when the Western curators rebranded it as Svoboda Party. Moral of this history is that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. The Russians understand that very well, which gives us an idea of how Russia will proceed, both with Ukraine and with Europe.

3. "Normal European politicians" do not exist in most countries. In Germany, no politicians are able to stand up and say that if Germany had supported the MInsk agreements, as was their legal obligation, then all of this SMO would not have been necessary. But in fact, Germany (and the US, the UK, etc.) used the MInsk agreements for nothing more than to buy time to build up the Ukrainian military. I do not see any German politicians making statements that would allow them to blame the pro-Empire gang for any of the bad stuff Germany is suffering from, or will soon. In France, it's also bad. When Francois Filon was "outed" by a weaponized French media for hiring his wife and daughter to do real and normal work for his parliament office as many other parliamentarians also did openly, all the other members of his party, Les Republicans, condemned him, their presidential candidate, in Dec. 2016-Jan. 2017. That meant their own party would lose the elections in April and May of 2017 and they didn't care. So when the French Deep State said "Commit political suicide!" they did so immediately. Now Macron, well he was entirely a fabrication of the taxpayer-subsidized media and the Rothschild bank. He may not run for re-election because French voters dislike him so much, but the media - as always - will simply promote a new nobody. I don't have much hope for Marie LePen and the Rassemblement National because she has bent her party's program so much that it doesn't offer voters any alternative. She is power-hungry and has already made the signs of obeissance in her trip to Israel. The French "left" under Melenchol gets far more ink than votes. France's fake left has supported every war the Empire ran, and it's a waste of time to discuss their dismal prospects. In Spain and Belgium, all the parties are bogus. As for the so-called "European populist parties", well, all of them in the European Parliament voted to put the tag of "state sponsor of terrorism" on Russia. So all these "populists" are for wars that ruin the people. BTW, this EP resolution is more than a PR stunt as Rachel Marsden stupidly claimed on RT. Ruslan Ischenko wrote that whenever the West puts that terrorist tag on a nataion, the West will never again negotiate with it and is already preparing a war against it. Ischenko noted that the U.S. State Department understood the consequences of such a libelous insult, and has been careful to NOT apply that tag to Russia.

The short answer is that it will take a long time for Europeans to wake up and put together political forces (and probably cultural forces) which are able to bring about peace. Peace activists and simple truth-tellers face imprisonment, as a German lady now doing journalism in Donbass found out. Maybe two winters from now, if we are extremely lucky, people might have suffered enough to really want peace. That's a long time from now, and a lot more suffering to come. Prepare yourselves for the long haul. Two years if we are very fortunate, but it may take 20 or 30 years.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 25 2022 17:09 utc | 53

Nick no. 5

Scott Ritter gives some ideas today in a debate on Consortium News. Well worth watching.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Nov 25 2022 17:11 utc | 54

Norwegian @ 49

Absolutely brilliant linked interview. I knew intellectually there were still many pro-Western Russians, listening to that lady, that very sympathetic and intelligent lady, was an eye opener. Have met a couple recent arrivals here from Russia, they were just nuts. Pro-Western because they were Nazis. Suspected them of being on a US payroll. Lady in the interview is someone I'd like to know.

This is the NASA portal I've used for years
https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov

I believe what b postedup top is from there. My link is the front door. Huge masses of available data. It is a glitch factory. Manual adjustments happen, artefacts happen. It is an excellent resource. Requires caution. Many odd things found there are simply because there is so darn much and it is not straightforward to understand all the parameters.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 25 2022 17:14 utc | 55

"The system doesn't produce them in the power center's anymore Jo"
Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 14:10 utc | 4

I am not sure what you mean by "the power centers," It certainly wasn't the voters. Please define.

Thank You,

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 25 2022 17:36 utc | 56

Source: the banned outlet Sputn,,News; properly set link failed.

Mr. Winter is now impacting EU moods, as the peasants become hungry and cold:-

‘Is Washington Our Ally or Not?’: EU Officials Accuse US of Profiteering Off Ukraine Crisis

The allegations come as temperatures across Europe continue to drop, and amid the bombshell revelation by former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson this week that the UK’s European allies recognized the economic fallout which would accompany a long Russia-Ukraine conflict, and sought its speedy resolution in the spring.

European Union officials and diplomats have accused Washington of profiteering off the Ukrainian crisis via energy and weapons sales, and warned that the mood is shifting against the US among its allies on the other side of the Atlantic.

“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the US because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior European official told a German-owned media group on condition.

“We are really at a historic juncture…America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries,” the official added, warning that skyrocketing energy costs and Transatlantic tensions over trade risk fracturing the Western bloc.
An unnamed US official dismissed these concerns, assuring that American energy companies “have been transparent and reliable suppliers of natural gas to Europe,” that prices are set by market considerations, and that resellers, not US exporters, skim much of the profits off energy deliveries destined for Europe.[.]

“It’s not good, in terms of optics, to give the impression that your best ally is actually making huge profits out of your troubles,” the anonymous diplomat complained, citing concerns in Brussels that building up depleted weapons stocks could take “years” to achieve.

Another official complained about the Inflation Reduction Act, the controversial law passed in August designed to curb inflation and ramp up domestic energy production and clean energy, but which Brussels has condemned for its discrimination of European goods in violation of World Trade Organization rules.

The IRA “changed everything” and has prompted questions in Europe to the effect of “is Washington still our ally or not?”, the EU official said.[.]

See the hypocrisy ?

'An unnamed US official dismissed these concerns, assuring that American energy companies “have been transparent and reliable suppliers of natural gas to Europe,” that prices are set by market considerations, '

This "unarmed official" has not read the Memo from the G7 idiots Imposing a Price Cap on Russian oil and finished products.

CNBC observes:

The G-7 may cap Russia’s oil price — but it won’t dent Moscow’s war chest, analysts say

Posted by: Likklemore | Nov 25 2022 17:38 utc | 57

Blackout (wartime) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(wartime)

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 25 2022 17:41 utc | 58

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 25 2022 15:10 utc | 20

What if you're a victim of your own delusion? How many warning signs should you get?

These morons are supposed to have had three, in addition to the cheering crowd.

https://youtu.be/Y1HHFXFN788

Posted by: Anne B | Nov 25 2022 17:46 utc | 59

Posted by: OttoE | Nov 25 2022 16:28 utc | 48

I think Russia has no inherent pressure to create any offensive.

Only as far as it benefits the goal of de-militarizing Ukraine. If Ukraine has placed most troops on the front line with little fallback defense like say, within 20 km of the front line, it then might make sense to attempt to create a hole in the front, push through, then turn and roll up the UAF line and destroy big chunks of their troops. Eventually it also makes it easier to take the ultimate things that's needed, like Odessa.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2022 17:48 utc | 60

@ Nobody | Nov 25 2022 16:22 utc | 47

Thanks Nobody! I had a good laugh -the clip is very a propos.

Posted by: fanto | Nov 25 2022 17:52 utc | 61

Gonzalo Lira reports he lost power in Kharkov for 12 hours. It begs the question how does the Ukraine manage to turn back on the power if Russia apparently just devastated the electrical power grid for the third time? It makes no sense unless the Ukraine has the best repairmen in the world or these attacks were greatly exaggerated.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Nov 25 2022 17:55 utc | 62

Posted by: TG | Nov 25 2022 14:34 utc | 11

With respect, the idea that the western elites are somehow not "adults" or are living in a "reality Dysfunction," while I certainly understand how someone can make that conclusion, is simply not true. The western elites are vicious and amoral but they are very very smart.

Bravo! Correct but still incomplete. Consider the worldwide COVID 19 operation moving towards worldwide "vaccine" passports, social credit scores, "carbon" rationing and digital currencies. The entire G20 just signed off on this again, every BRICS nation is onboard. (Note, the Russian Sputnik-V C19 "vaccine" is also a gene therapy and contains graphene oxide) There are no western elites, they are all global puppets playing good cop or bad cop roles as the script requires. This entire World War Woke in Ukraine is as fake as the last two and all of humanity will be seamlessly enslaved when it is over. The powers behind the curtain are diabolically clever as their master is the father of lies.

Posted by: Drifter | Nov 25 2022 18:01 utc | 63

... the alleged hit on that asteroid a few weeks ago.
Posted by: JoeFrmlyOfBklyn | Nov 25 2022 15:59 utc | 37

Note these projects have no Chinese, Russian, or Indian participation.

To me, the asteroid test was a weapons test, with a cover-up story.

Similarly, articles about putting huge solar panels in orbit, and beaming the energy down with microwaves: that's not alternative energy, that's a weapon.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 25 2022 18:04 utc | 64

To the doubters and other experts in the relevant topic like satellite image processing specialists who, against all odds, happen to be at the right internet comment section at the right time: do not believe b's post.

Go to NASA's worldview, go to NASA's black marble. Scroll over to Ukraine. Check Nov 24 2022. Then scroll the date at the bottom left bar to Nov 13 2021 when the clouds are largely absent.

It's very clear: Ukraine has NO electricity.

I would like to post imgur screenshots, but I keep getting the error that imgur is "over capacity".

Still you don't have to believe me or b. Do the above yourself.

Now, if further comments could stop questioning legitimacy of b's pictures and proceed with the acceptance that Ukraine has no electricity, that would be great.

(Accidentally posted this comment in another post with a major typo {missed a 'no'}.Ignore that)

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Nov 25 2022 18:04 utc | 65

Column of T-80U tanks in rare winter camouflage

https://t.me/loordofwar/62743

Looks like over 40 T-80.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2022 18:07 utc | 66

-spring brings starvation

-nanometer wavelength white light
extremely damaging to eyes,
rollout of led lamps globally
increased early blindness;
along with touchscreen smear-glare tablets/phones
created nearsighted population

Posted by: meow | Nov 25 2022 18:07 utc | 67

"...The fact that these Ukrainians are powerless and cannot possibly affect their own circumstances, shows how perverse these western elites are. We all should keep that in mind, average Ukrainians are blameless in all of this." AntiLogic@31

You make an important point, one often forgotten in the wartime excitement that infects all discussions.
The people of the Ukraine voted, overwhelmingly, to reject Poroshenko. Zelensky was elected on a peace platform. essentially promising to renew Minsk.
As I recollect the vote in his favour was a majority everywhere but west Galicia.
Having been cheated at the polling booths the Ukrainians are terrorised. Dissent leads to torture, disappearance, execution. There is no independent media and all political parties, except the Nazis, are banned. Martial law allows any murmurs of criticism to be suppressed.
Russia is discharging its responsibility to protect not only the Donbas people but all but a small minority of the population. This minority is larger than it was, thanks to propaganda, misinformation and terrorism but it is still a minority.
Ukrainians are the victims not of Russia but of NATO and its boss.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 25 2022 18:16 utc | 68

Russia's SMO has always seemed to me like a hostage rescue action.
Posted by: migueljose | Nov 25 2022 14:28 utc | 10

The SMO was a hostage rescue operation. Russia saved the people of the Donbass from what was surely a planned genocide of the ethnic Russian people of Eastern Ukraine by a US organized Nazi government and military. Once the ethnic Russian people were removed, the land would be sold to the highest bidders among the Western corporations.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 25 2022 18:17 utc | 69

Drifter@63
Who writes the 'script' to which you refer?
And at who's behest?

Posted by: bevin | Nov 25 2022 18:18 utc | 70

The former ukrainians of Donbass disagree! They retained their human dignity and rebelled against illegal circumstances. The passive ukrainians have made a choice.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 25 2022 17:03 utc | 51

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One can only agree with that. It must not be forgotten that the whole thing started with an illegal move by the then Ukrainian opposition against the then incumbent president.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/02/ukraine-move-to-replace-the-president-is-illegal.html

On the principle of collective guilt:

The philosopher and psychologist Karl Jaspers delivered lectures to students in 1946 which were published under the title The Question of German Guilt. In this published work, Jaspers describes how "an acknowledgment of national guilt was a necessary condition for the moral and political rebirth of Germany". Additionally, Jaspers believed that no one could escape this collective guilt, and taking responsibility for it might enable the German people to transform their society from its state of collapse into a more highly developed and morally responsible democracy. He believed that those who committed war crimes were morally guilty, and those who tolerated them without resistance were politically guilty, leading to collective guilt for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_collective_guilt

The principle of collective guilt applies in particular to the shelling of civilian targets in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 25 2022 18:19 utc | 71

The former ukrainians of Donbass disagree! They retained their human dignity and rebelled against illegal circumstances. The passive ukrainians have made a choice.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 25 2022 17:03 utc | 51

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One can only agree with that. It must not be forgotten that the whole thing started with an illegal move by the then Ukrainian opposition against the then incumbent president.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/02/ukraine-move-to-replace-the-president-is-illegal.html

On the principle of collective guilt:

The philosopher and psychologist Karl Jaspers delivered lectures to students in 1946 which were published under the title The Question of German Guilt. In this published work, Jaspers describes how "an acknowledgment of national guilt was a necessary condition for the moral and political rebirth of Germany". Additionally, Jaspers believed that no one could escape this collective guilt, and taking responsibility for it might enable the German people to transform their society from its state of collapse into a more highly developed and morally responsible democracy. He believed that those who committed war crimes were morally guilty, and those who tolerated them without resistance were politically guilty, leading to collective guilt for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_collective_guilt

The principle of collective guilt applies in particular to the shelling of civilian targets in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 25 2022 18:19 utc | 72

Putin held a meeting with mothers of soldiers involved in SMO. Neither the Russian transcript or English is complete yet, although the Russian is much further along. I'd expect the Kremlin to post the video of this encounter eventually too. The Russian link has more photos than the English. The talk begins with Putin welcoming all and giving them an early Russian Mother's Day greeting (it's this Sunday). From the official English:

"As you know, the day after tomorrow Russia marks Mother’s Day. It is not some pompous noisy celebration but a day that is filled with special, very warm meaning and emphasises the attitude towards mothers inherent in all the peoples of Russia: respect, reverence, admiration."

After Putin's opening remarks, the mothers get to talk freely. Once the official English transcript is completed, I'll be posting it to my VK wall--the Russian is too jumbled IMO--far more than at other times--and I want the words to properly reflect what's actually being said. Altogether, there are seventeen moms, and the first to speak is Nabiyeva Suna Neifelovna from Dagestan. I hope the English transcript gets finished soon as from the Russian it's heartfelt, poignant, yet somehow businesslike--Putin takes notes of the Mom's suggestions and problems. I've seen this Putin before at the marathon pressers where he exhibits a humaneness no EU or Western "leader" ever shows or is capable of.

RT has a short article, but it doesn't do the meeting justice. Sputnik has nothing about it, while TASS has two very short items.

I just checked and the Russian transcript has expanded but remains incomplete. It's clear the mothers are allowed to speak as long as they want and about anything, much is revealing. I'll announce my posting of the English transcript.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 25 2022 18:25 utc | 73

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 25 2022 15:33 utc | 28

The cloud cover is not useful on the small map shown, but on the large map, if you click on the link, you can move the scale to a clearer evening and the comparision is more obvious

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Nov 25 2022 18:29 utc | 74

In response to Autilogic #31, surely you jest by saying “The average Ukrainian did not bring the wrath they're going through on themselves”. Well who the hell did? Ever since WWII
Russian hating Ukrainians have
idolized the Nazi collaborator Stephan Bandera who
murdered thousand of Russian, Jew and Polish and who have never repented.
Where was your average innocent Ukrainian while the Ukraine UAF bombarded the citizens of Donabass and Lugansk for eight long years?
Like the misguided citizen o
f Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, Ukrainians are now reaping the bitter harvest for what they have sown for themselves. Only Ukrainian racist sympathizers can now attempt to absolve the average Ukrainian for their egregious racist sins of commission and omission of their hideous government. Sorry but the average Ukrainian showed
no compassion or mercy to the their victims and they deserve no mercy or compassions from anyone.

Posted by: ptownpt | Nov 25 2022 18:29 utc | 75

Ayn Rand comes to mind here...
"You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"
@ ianMoone | Nov 25 2022 15:23 utc | 25

Ayn Rand was a nasty piece of work (my opinion), but you can't say she wasn't smart.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 25 2022 18:30 utc | 76

In my opinion, burning lights all night is a waste of energy and it is bad for migrating birds.

Around here it is annoying. Why do neon signs have to burn all night? Why do Vietnamese nail salons have to have their windows framed with halogen lights that burn so brightly all night? Why do so many people leave outside lights on?

I see no need for any of it.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 25 2022 18:33 utc | 77

Oh, and entire empty office buildings with lights burning in each office. Clinics and stores with all lights blaring.
Does no one know how to turn off lights when they leave a room?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 25 2022 18:35 utc | 78

Posted by: Lapin | Nov 25 2022 15:32 utc | 26

Is that Bile Island due south of Odessa ?

Did someone forget to switch out the lights ?

Any theories how if got to be as bright as that on the 24th?

It appears to be located a few tens of km too far east to be Snake Island, but I may be comparing different projections. In any case, how do we explain so much light on the island? Perhaps a big inauguration of the commemorative stamp?

Posted by: robin | Nov 25 2022 18:35 utc | 79

Thanks for the posting b

I characterize this as Ukraine being down for the count like in boxing. I don't think they are going to get up again.

I don't think that very many in Ukraine want to endure 2 years or so of supposed time frame for return of power and they will vote with their feet and leave, as all of us poor folk would do when faced without power for extended periods in winter.....go find a school in a city/town where there is power and running water

Next comes the push back to 1997 NATO lines.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 25 2022 18:37 utc | 80

In place of an article about Putin's chat with the war moms, Sputnik provides this, "‘Is Washington Our Ally or Not?’: EU Officials Accuse US of Profiteering Off Ukraine Crisis". Here're the opening paragraphs:

"The allegations come as temperatures across Europe continue to drop, and amid the bombshell revelation by former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson this week that the UK’s European allies recognized the economic fallout which would accompany a long Russia-Ukraine conflict, and sought its speedy resolution in the spring.

"European Union officials and diplomats have accused Washington of profiteering off the Ukrainian crisis via energy and weapons sales, and warned that the mood is shifting against the US among its allies on the other side of the Atlantic."

The article is filled with rich citations for further commentary, BoJo's in particular. IMO, here's the most crucial one, with the European official's statement referring to the above paragraph's context:

"'We are really at a historic juncture…America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries,' the official added, warning that skyrocketing energy costs and Transatlantic tensions over trade risk fracturing the Western bloc.

"An unnamed US official dismissed these concerns, assuring that American energy companies 'have been transparent and reliable suppliers of natural gas to Europe,' that prices are set by market considerations, and that resellers, not US exporters, skim much of the profits off energy deliveries destined for Europe."

Clearly, the Outlaw US Empire doesn't give a hoot about Europe's concerns as Nuland's Fuck the EU remains the main policy line.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 25 2022 18:45 utc | 81

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 25 2022 15:51 utc | 35

1. Russian occupied regions are dim because they're lightly populated now, it shows most people left.

2. Donbas is lit up, read a map.

3. This isn't permanent and anyone thinking they can't adapt enough to grid electricity problems is fooling themselves. The Ukrainians are just there to be conscripted
They don't need a functioning economy. Whatevers needed for the war effort will be imported. And they also don't care about suffering civilians either, unless it can be used in propoganda.

I was also thinking that the grid in the four Russian oblast must have taken a beating over the last few months. Also, we should account for the fact that a major power plant is offline in Zaporozhye.

Posted by: robin | Nov 25 2022 18:45 utc | 82

Posted by: bevin | Nov 25 2022 18:18 utc | 70

Drifter@63
Who writes the 'script' to which you refer?
And at who's behest?

Short answer, the Technocrats and their ~10,000 blackmailed insider minions serve about 3 dozen (see Superclass by David Rothkopf of Kissinger Associates) inbred Oligarch Trillionaire families who have worshiped Lucifer for centuries. Whether Lucifer is real or not is immaterial. Although the Christian answer to that question is Ephesians 6:12

Posted by: Drifter | Nov 25 2022 18:53 utc | 83

I questioned the one on Intelslava yesterday too. It showed western Russia noticeably darker too. These things have to be the easiest to fake/manipulate.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 25 2022 15:34 utc | 29

To what end would anyone (or entity) want to "manipulate" these satellite photos? To what gain? As far as I know, Russia's MoD does not deny the attacks on Ukraine's infostructure, nor should they.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 25 2022 18:54 utc | 84

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 25 2022 18:45 utc | 80

A dog will bark, but eventually a dog knows its place.

EU gets screwed over and over again, and it will continue as long as people like Ursula and other WEF poodles are allowed to decide things and given legitimacy, which is actual illegitimate and doesn't exist under any legal basis.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 25 2022 18:55 utc | 85

Bears repeating: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2022 18:28 utc | 273 [Previous thread.]

Countries that go for three years without electricity do not get to join the European Union.

Is these tragic people think their long struggle of martyrdom will be rewarded by entrance into the pearly gates of the EU, heralded by Archangel Von Der Leyden and Saint Borell they are further along the road to hell than I can ever express ...

Posted by: Laurence | Nov 25 2022 19:00 utc | 86

Posted by: TG | Nov 25 2022 14:34 utc | 11

they are impaired by their delusions. that makes them stupid.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 25 2022 19:03 utc | 87

Well since we're all patting each other on the back for being the heart and soul of democracy I'll chime in as an intermittent but somewhat regular posteroo from the Antipodes.

1. Jokes aside, this is a remarkable site for news and views. Someday, somehow, if there is a Pilger Award for 'actual journalism' dear b should be on the short list. A sane place amidst a new August 1914 sleepwalking into a nightmare...

2. And it may be that the 'European Civil War 1914-45' is the apt historical comparison for what we're heading into, a war in which all the pent up contradictions that accumulate during an historical cycle of capitalism reach critical mass—and god knows this one has produced some really festering contradictions since 1945.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 25 2022 19:10 utc | 88

This entire World War Woke in Ukraine is as fake as the last two and all of humanity will be seamlessly enslaved when it is over. The powers behind the curtain are diabolically clever as their master is the father of lies.

Posted by: Drifter | Nov 25 2022 18:01 utc | 63

Wow yes, the Nazis wanting to kill or enslave anybody who didn't look like a pasty northern half-reptilian hybrid were super fake.

God am I repulsed by whitish bodies with uncanny eye colors, they look unhealthy and ubrelatable as all fuck, not to speak of bearing all sorts of weak recessive genes, but I'm not enough of a bastard to want them purged.

The fascist cunts who set up shop elsewhere not embroiled in WWII trying to do about as much but on smaller scale were also made of foam rubber...

Kindly shut the f×ck up if this kind of nonsensical commentary is the best you have to offer.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Nov 25 2022 19:11 utc | 89

The principle of collective guilt applies in particular to the shelling of civilian targets in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 25 2022 18:19 utc | 71

Total nonsense, in 2019 Ukraine voted strongly for the presidential candidate promising peace in the east.

As for Jaspers POV on collective guilt regarding WW2 Germany, it is suggested that he was influenced by his Jewish wife, and the consequences she had with respect to his career in Germany.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 25 2022 19:14 utc | 90

Iam not sure what you mean by "the power centers," It certainly wasn't the voters. Please define.

Thank You,

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 25 2022 17:36 utc | 56

Post 40 by Mike R nails what I'm trying to get across.
All the current leadership have no experience or background in anything useful.
No learned experiences

And poorly academically educated especially looking at what is coming out of English and German politics.
Law degrees politics or Liberal arts degree dross.

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 19:16 utc | 91

" The entire G20 just signed off on this again, every BRICS nation is onboard. (Note, the Russian Sputnik-V C19 "vaccine" is also a gene therapy and contains graphene oxide) There are no western elites, they are all global puppets playing good cop or bad cop roles as the script requires. This entire World War Woke in Ukraine is as fake as the last two and all of humanity will be seamlessly enslaved when it is over. The powers behind the curtain are diabolically clever as their master is the father of lies.

Posted by: Drifter | Nov 25 2022 18:01 utc | 63 "

Careful, your intelligent deduction of current events will get you ostracized around these parts. China's and Putin's inexplicable actions only make sense when one takes off one's rose colored glasses. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is actions not grandiose words and proclamations. By their deeds ye shall know them.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 25 2022 19:18 utc | 92

Posted by: jpc | Nov 25 2022 16:00 utc | 38
«Numbed by the opium of cheap energy holidays yo wherever and no questions asked about anything or the inclination to ask them in the main.»

The real opium of the affluent masses in most anglo-american states is inflating real estate prices: as long as housing prices double every 10 years many if not most affluent middle class voters write a blank check to their ruling classes: "don't make waves", "f*ck you! I got mine" are their main principles.

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 25 2022 19:24 utc | 93

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 25 2022 17:09 utc | 53
«It's hard to get statistics on how many people died 1945-1959 in the Nazi resistance to Soviet rule. I've seen 15,000 to 250,000. If anyone has data, please tell us.»

I have already posted some estimates, some of them fairly "official" looking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
“In 1951 CIA covert operations chief Frank Wisner estimated that some 35,000 Soviet police troops and Communist party cadres had been eliminated by guerrillas affiliated with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the period after the end of World War II. Official Soviet figures for the losses inflicted by all types of Ukrainian nationalists during the period 1944–1953 referred to 30,676 persons; amongst them were 687 NKGB-MGB personnel, 1,864 NKVD-MVD personnel, 3,199 Soviet Army, Border Guards, and NKVD-MVD troops, 241 communist party leaders, 205 komsomol leaders and 2,590 members of self-defence units. According to Soviet data, the remaining losses were among civilians, including 15,355 peasants and kolkhozniks. Soviet archives state that between February 1944 and January 1946 the Soviet forces conducted 39,778 operations against the UPA, during which they killed a total of 103,313, captured a total of 8,370 OUN members and captured a total of 15,959 active insurgents”

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 25 2022 19:26 utc | 94

@ Patroklos | Nov 25 2022 19:10 utc | 87

i'm with you in that..

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2022 19:33 utc | 95

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 25 2022 17:09 utc | 53
«They were headed by Stepan Bandera's widow, until 1993 or so, when the Western curators rebranded it as Svoboda Party. Moral of this history is that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.»

I think that it is offensive to the real NSDAP people to call those "nazis", indeed they fought against, as well as for, the german army. They were just regular fascist mass murderers, from Chiang to Suharto to Pinochet. There were several fanatical fascist movements in eastrern Europe, the polish with Piłsudski, hungarian with Horty, bulgarian, romanian, croat, and of course ruthenian.
The heirs of the ruthenian fascists are pathetic imbeciles who cosplay nazi because granddad used to fight for them, without even realizing that then nazis despised their granddads as loud nasty clowns.

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 25 2022 19:33 utc | 96

Norwegian @19 re: validity of the image.

The image is a composite. Images taken over multiple orbits of the satellite and stitched together. The clouds move between each orbit and are thus easy to automatically filter out. I don't know of any major Earth observation satellites that have a wide enough field of view to get almost all of Europe in a single high resolution image. Also notice areas like around Warsaw and Belgorod. These appear blurry because they remained mostly cloudy through all orbits of the satellite for that night.

I do not see any reason to question the validity of the images.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 25 2022 19:33 utc | 97

“This morning, the US weather model continues to expect severe cold between the 2nd and 3rd of Advent. Now the European weather model also has the icy easterly weather in its program in its latest forecast. Night values ​​down to minus 15 degrees would be possible in Germany!”
Is this what Russians are waiting to start the offensive? This winter promises to be a very cold one.

Posted by: Milos | Nov 25 2022 19:33 utc | 98

@ karlof1 | Nov 25 2022 18:45 utc | 80

Watched the entire interview with Bojo, revelatory. Recommended viewing.

Quite undermines the suborned talking heads/prostitutes Empire has emplaced, let alone their narrative.

We must give thanks though for the combination of Bojo's rank idiocy, narcissism & inflated self-importance re self-promotion, now he's yesterdays nobody.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 25 2022 19:38 utc | 99

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 25 2022 17:09 utc | 53
«But in fact, Germany (and the US, the UK, etc.) used the MInsk agreements for nothing more than to buy time to build up the Ukrainian military.»

Just a reminder that the ukrianian president appointed by the USA, the one who started the Donbas war with the Mariupol Massacre, stated this openly various times:

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/06/20/ukraines-new-masterstroke-against-russia-is-actually-ukraines-biggest-pro-russia-move/
“Former Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbas, which he negotiated with Russia, France, and Germany as president of Ukraine was indeed a distraction intended to buy time for Kyiv to rebuild its military. He made the remarks in interviews with numerous news outlets this week, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and Radio Free Europe’s Ukrainian unit.”

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 25 2022 19:39 utc | 100