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Ukraine Open Thread 2022-207
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.
Nov 24, 2022
 Source: NASA Worldview – bigger
Nov 24, 2021
 Source: NASA Worldview – bigger
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@ Givane [14]
2 minute cure for inflation , give Russia back its money and put the Azov dogs back in their kennels. Normal Ukranians could them take back Ukraine and normal politicians could take back Europe.
You need to dig much deeper for facts you don’t have, and then think long and hard to put the facts together.
1. The inflation is more from paper dollars and especially Euro-dollars than from sanctions. The crash of European banks has been developing for over 10 years. Tom Luongo has dome some eye-opening analysis just in the last year, and he is easy to google.
2. There can’t be any putting the Azov dogs “back in their kennels” because the Nazis will simply bide their time, rebuild their strength and strike again. In WW2, the Banderistas did the dirty work of the Nazis because regular Nazis soldiers were fighting a real war and didn’t waste time on genocides. So the OPA did the genocides including the Wolyn massacre (250,000 victims), the Babi Yar massacres (137,00 to 187,000 victims, of which 37,000 were Jews) and the massacres of entire villages in Belarus (2,400,000 victims) in the winter of 1942-43. A week before WW2 ended, Allen Dulles, running the OSS office in Switzerland, arranged for Wehrmacht General Gehlen to start working for Washington, along with his extensive network of agents in Ukraine. It’s hard to get statistics on how many people died 1945-1959 in the Nazi resistance to Soviet rule. I’ve seen 15,000 to 250,000. If anyone has data, please tell us. So 1945-1959 was a separate war by these Nazi dogs. You should also know that the Ukro-Nazis have organizational continuity to today. They were headed by Stepan Bandera’s widow, until 1993 or so, when the Western curators rebranded it as Svoboda Party. Moral of this history is that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. The Russians understand that very well, which gives us an idea of how Russia will proceed, both with Ukraine and with Europe.
3. “Normal European politicians” do not exist in most countries. In Germany, no politicians are able to stand up and say that if Germany had supported the MInsk agreements, as was their legal obligation, then all of this SMO would not have been necessary. But in fact, Germany (and the US, the UK, etc.) used the MInsk agreements for nothing more than to buy time to build up the Ukrainian military. I do not see any German politicians making statements that would allow them to blame the pro-Empire gang for any of the bad stuff Germany is suffering from, or will soon. In France, it’s also bad. When Francois Filon was “outed” by a weaponized French media for hiring his wife and daughter to do real and normal work for his parliament office as many other parliamentarians also did openly, all the other members of his party, Les Republicans, condemned him, their presidential candidate, in Dec. 2016-Jan. 2017. That meant their own party would lose the elections in April and May of 2017 and they didn’t care. So when the French Deep State said “Commit political suicide!” they did so immediately. Now Macron, well he was entirely a fabrication of the taxpayer-subsidized media and the Rothschild bank. He may not run for re-election because French voters dislike him so much, but the media – as always – will simply promote a new nobody. I don’t have much hope for Marie LePen and the Rassemblement National because she has bent her party’s program so much that it doesn’t offer voters any alternative. She is power-hungry and has already made the signs of obeissance in her trip to Israel. The French “left” under Melenchol gets far more ink than votes. France’s fake left has supported every war the Empire ran, and it’s a waste of time to discuss their dismal prospects. In Spain and Belgium, all the parties are bogus. As for the so-called “European populist parties”, well, all of them in the European Parliament voted to put the tag of “state sponsor of terrorism” on Russia. So all these “populists” are for wars that ruin the people. BTW, this EP resolution is more than a PR stunt as Rachel Marsden stupidly claimed on RT. Ruslan Ischenko wrote that whenever the West puts that terrorist tag on a nataion, the West will never again negotiate with it and is already preparing a war against it. Ischenko noted that the U.S. State Department understood the consequences of such a libelous insult, and has been careful to NOT apply that tag to Russia.
The short answer is that it will take a long time for Europeans to wake up and put together political forces (and probably cultural forces) which are able to bring about peace. Peace activists and simple truth-tellers face imprisonment, as a German lady now doing journalism in Donbass found out. Maybe two winters from now, if we are extremely lucky, people might have suffered enough to really want peace. That’s a long time from now, and a lot more suffering to come. Prepare yourselves for the long haul. Two years if we are very fortunate, but it may take 20 or 30 years.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 25 2022 17:09 utc | 53
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