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November 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-206
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Below are quotes from a ZH posting
Russia’s energy giant Gazprom on Tuesday accused Ukraine of stealing natural gas supplies intended for Moldova by siphoning it off during transit. Gazprom is now threatening to halt deliveries via the key the Sudzha route.
“The volume of gas supplied by Gazprom to the ‘Sudzha’ gas measuring station (GMS) for transit to Moldova via Ukraine exceeds the physical volume transmitted at the border of Ukraine with Moldova,” Gazprom’s statement said.
The allegation further specified that the Ukrainian government stole 52.52 million cubic meters of gas which was intended for Moldova. Gazprom said that amount of gas never left Ukraine’s territory while in transit.
According to the fresh statement as presented in state media:The Russian energy company further warned that if the transit imbalance persists then it would begin slashing gas supply to the Sudzha GMS for transit via Ukraine from 10 am (7am GMT) on November 28, “in the amount of the daily underderlivery.”
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2022 6:27 utc | 101
Whatever, something foul is in the air.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13
Indeed there is.
Europe’s Energy Armageddon From Berlin and Brussels, Not Moscow
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 6:44 utc | 102
Most people are bewildered by what is a global energy crisis, with prices for oil, gas and coal simultaneously soaring and even forcing closure of major industrial plants such as chemicals or aluminum or steel. The Biden Administration and EU have insisted that all is because of Putin and Russia’s military actions in Ukraine.
This is not the case.
The energy crisis is a long-planned strategy of western corporate and political circles to dismantle industrial economies in the name of a dystopian Green Agenda. That has its roots in the period years well before February 2022, when Russia launched its military action in Ukraine.
Blackrock pushes ESG
How Blackrock’s Larry Fink Created the Global Energy Crisis
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 6:56 utc | 103
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 5:23 utc | 98
You could even call NATO members NATSIs. It also rhymes.
Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 23 2022 7:01 utc | 104
@78 bevin & 97 Nomad – It’s no wonder that the “Integral Nationalists” have never translated any of their ideologue Dymtro Dontsov’s writing into English. They don’t want to let us in on their not so secrets.
Maybe there are a few translations hidden away in Ottawa or something.
I didn’t know about the Bandera book, Nomad. Thank you.
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2022 7:32 utc | 105
I’ve been trying to understand why Russia has employed such limited forces, and used them in such a restrained way, in this war. It seems to me that there are a couple of obvious reasons:
The Russian government did not want to spend a lot of money and suffer heavy casualties, and therefore undertook only a minimal operation;
The Russian government did not want to harm a lot of Russian civilians;
The Russian government did not want to take responsibility for occupying and ultimately repressing the resistance of a lot of disgruntled Ukrainians and Galician Poles.
The problem with this restraint is that in the end the war has lasted a long time already, and looks set to last a long time into the future, and the Russians have therefore had to spend a lot of money and suffer heavy casualties, and a lot of Russian civilians have been harmed, while a lot of disgruntled Ukrainians and Galician Poles have joined or been drafted into the Ukrainian armed forces and are putting up a serious fight against the Russian occupation forces, even if their losses (because the advantages of anyone on the defensive) are heavy.
It was fairly obvious that this would be the case. Indeed, the war was started because the Russians said that the Ukrainians were implacably hostile to Russia, were fascistic, and were also essentially under the control of NATO and were seeking to further NATO’s anti-Russian projects. Given this, the Russian minimalism was surely foolish.
What I would assume is that the Russian government, despite what it said about the bigotry of Ukrainians and the stooge nature of the Ukrainian government, believed that in the end the Ukrainians would agree to come to terms after they had been substantially defeated. The attacks on Ukrainian electrical infrastructure suggest that the Russian government still believes this (such attacks would only be effective if the Ukrainian people were doubtful about the war – which, outside the East, I do not think they are – and also if the Ukrainian people had considerable influence over their government – which I do not think they possess.
Ironically, instead of being fooled into believing their own false propaganda (which is a common problem), the Russians seem to have delivered perfectly accurate propaganda while running the war as if it were false! Very weird. Also, they don’t seem to be able to acknowledge this as yet – and until they do, and put effort into conquering Ukraine, they will not be able to accomplish anything. (I might be wrong; perhaps Ukraine will collapse or NATO will get sick of shovelling money into a failed project – but I see no sign of either happening. And unless these things happen, Russia’s strategy makes no sense.)
Posted by: MFB | Nov 23 2022 8:01 utc | 106
The incompetence goes on..
Diplomat presses UN to clearly assess execution of Russian POWs
https://tass.com/politics/1540635
Why are Russia whining at the UN? How are Russia unable to locate the area, perpetrators of these warcrimes?!
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 23 2022 8:03 utc | 107
@ FVK 90
Of course they were correct to distrust me, but like USUKIS and Russia they have constantly provoked me in order to try to get me to lose my patience.
Many of them didn’t start to practise Islam.until their 40s and freely shaggedxariund until then. It seems particularly important for them to try to get some dirt on me.
Square pegs into round holes. Fuck em.
They have as little understanding of Islam as Joe Biden has of Chritianity. We’re big , you’re small , you’re wrong , we’re right, in the echo chamber of their guilty consciences.
The Mufti who is now the Deobandi head gave talks about slaughtering the British when they had grown stronger as a community, and about the permissibility of snagging British women. Extreme racism even at the very top.
If these are the foundations of a British Muslim society, I think we asxa nation experienced religious hypocrisy before. So we sendibly told it to fuck off.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 8:04 utc | 108
AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎
@AZgeopolitics
🇪🇺🇬🇧🇺🇦🇷🇺Boris Johnson: “All of Europe wished Ukraine to fall quickly.I couldn’t support that”
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1595324439599906817
Video in Tweet.
As b noted earlier it was Johnson that sabotaged the peace deal in March.
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 8:08 utc | 109
Why is there no peace movement in EU or USA?
Why is the the Western narrative so strong that we see almost no sounds of discontent?
I do not understand how is that possible?
I am afraid of that.
Where has the critical mind gone?
Posted by: margot | Nov 23 2022 8:11 utc | 110
@ Patroklos | Nov 22 2022 21:17 utc | 54 who wrote, “The use of the word for 30 years to refer to the Eastern European uber-rich and used vaguely to imply illegitimacy is wonderful media misdirection—because if Buffet, Bezos and Musk aren’t oligarchs then no one is.”
Yeah. Just search for oligarchs and it’s all about Russians. Caitlin hits at the misdirection in yesterday’s piece::
“I’m sure glad I don’t live in an oppressive homogeneous nation like China where individuality is not allowed,”
said every westerner in unison while staring at their programming screens.
There’s Buffet, Bezos and Musk,
And Soros and little boy Zuck.
But you must mention Gates
As he’s one who rates
At the top of those who just suck.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 23 2022 8:16 utc | 111
Intel Slava Z
🇭🇷🇺🇦 Croatia refused to train the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Croatian President Zoran Milanovic officially refused the participation of the Croatian military in the EU mission to help Kiev.
He argued his decision by the fact that there are no international agreements on this issue and Croatia has no obligations here, and Ukraine is not part of any common union with Croatia.
@ MFB | Nov 23 2022 8:01 utc | 105
Very low quality satire. Must do better.
@ Zanon 106
I assume that these videos are made by USUKIS criminsl hitmen with actors, not by recognisable Azov Nazis. We could see actors on planes to Kurdistan for Daesh videos. The killing is real, but the rest is staged by Hollywood as propaganda by the usual suspects.
As you know, Mosul was destroyed
with everything in it by the
same people who created it USUKIS.
The the Iranian army that had assisted USUKIS in destroying it were told to remove the annexed Arab areas from the Barzani clan and give them back to Baghdad.
The EU pimps will be similarly treated for their stupidity in obeying USUKIS, after USUKIS destroys Azov.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 8:22 utc | 113
… I’m pretty sure the Great Game is zero sum.
Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 21:37 utc | 56
Positive sum for the productive.
Zero sum for straight thieves.
Negative sum for wreckers.
Empire is deep into negative sum territory by now, pure chop-shop economics, cents on the dollar is still profit if it ain’t yours to begin with.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 23 2022 8:27 utc | 114
@:margot 109
Europe knows the score. The war on Syria was run by the EU in Adana in Turkey. Obama’s actors turned up from training in Jordan and got 4 x 4 Toyotas from the US.
The General in Mosul was bribed not to defend the city by Saudi cash.
After that Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize foreseeing USUKIS “”””” interests “”””””, with minimum loss of “”””””” human “””””””, I.e. USUKIS life. Oil flows unmetered to USUKIS.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 8:32 utc | 115
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 21:48 utc | 57
Great info, thank you!
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 23 2022 8:34 utc | 116
@ FVK 90
All of the Muslim Brotherhood and all of the South Asian Muslims who are rightfully racist against the British, supported Obama’s Daesh, knowing full well that it
was a psyops to get oil from Iraq. They just saw it as their chance to grovel to Imperial power and get rich quick.
The hypocrisy of Muslims who support Daesh, and maybe now Azov, is just in a long line of Muslim pimps for Empire going back to
the African Slave Trade.
Pimps for Empire spy for Empire. But they
get cheap , six monthly Hajj and Umrah, to putrify their soiled consciences. Lol.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 8:47 utc | 117
@anon2020
This seems to be the latest word on the Rough gas storage situation.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/28/uk-biggest-gas-storage-site-brought-back-online-winter
‘Centrica said it had brought the Rough gas storage facility in the North Sea back to 20% of its previous capacity’
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 8:58 utc | 118
Russian soldier talks of finding bodies of children deprived of organs in territory taken from Ukraine.
Maybe propaganda, but posted by Slavyangrad Telegram Channel who is pretty careful with vetting his sources:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21851 No images, just telling what he saw.
Posted by: PJB | Nov 23 2022 9:02 utc | 119
South Asian Muslims who are rightfully racist against the British,
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 8:47 utc | 116
Why don’t you try asking the thousands of gang raped girls around Britain how righteous they think muslim racism is?
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 9:05 utc | 120
According to Gordon Hahn NATO forces stationed in West-Ukraine more and more likely.
“It cannot be excluded and may even be likely that should Kiev appear to be losing the war that Polish forces, NATO or some ‘coalition of the willing’ will move military forces into western Ukraine up to the Dnepr but do so without attacking Russian forces. This would force Russia to cease much of its military activity or risk attacking NATO forces and a larger European-wide war. This or something like it is probably already being considered in Washington.”
https://gordonhahn.com/2022/11/22/the-russian-winter-offensive/
I don´t like it…
Posted by: AG | Nov 23 2022 9:31 utc | 121
bevin @ 69
“Sherman was right: War is Hell…Hybrid War is Heller.” LightYearsFromHome@34 I was making a cheap joke at Robin’s expense. Were you referring to Catch 22?
After I clicked ‘post’ I realized it read like Heller as in Joseph, I should have wrote it ‘Hell-er’, as in ‘Hybrid war is worse’. I was making a cheaper joke at your expense 🙃
hep @ 74
@ LightYearsFromHome, anon2020 and others who have discussed this recently in several Ukraine threads. Re: electricity/gas shortages in the UK.
Best explanation yet, and great historical reference. I see it this way too, “Honey our electric bill is £150 more this month!” “Yes dear, it terrible but just pay it, at least the lights are still on.”
When things hit rock bottom people might hit the streets, but otherwise it is possible to squeeze blood from a stone. Where I am food has gone up 30% across the board with complaints but no protest in the least, it’s a poor area the money must be coming from the limited disposable income, but there’s no protest from the non-essentials merchants either.
Neoliberal ruling elites are too dissociated from the society, with no popular push-back I expect we will hit rock bottom quicker than expected. Maybe that’s why the elites as rushing to flip our “inverted totalitarianism” right side up with such urgency. The time has finally come to make sure people understand who’s in charge.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2022 9:33 utc | 122
If there is one thing that the Ukraine War proves, it’s that Europe is truly the homeland not of (snicker) “liberal democracy” but of Fascism.
Adolph Hitler of Germany, Benito Mussolini of Italy, Francisco Franco of Spain, António de Oliveira Salazar of Portugal, Jacques Doriot of France … and now Mr. Zelensky of Ukraine.
It’s Europe’s beloved conga line of fascistic regimes.
Indeed, these great European “democracies” today are proudly bankrolling and arming the Ukrainian military, which is critically composed of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, not to mention Ukraine in general, with its significant fascistic civil society.
Banderites & Ukrainian nationalism, fascism, & Neo-Nazism: A conversation with Moss Robeson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izf7XjVJUSk&t=18s
Like their Nazi ancestors, the Europeans today have wet dreams of balkanizing and (re)colonizing Russia–before moving on towards other targeted nations like China and Iran.
This is the primordial EuroNazi fantasy of Drang Nach Osten, or March to the East.
NATO’S “Drang Nach Osten”
https://orientalreview.org/2011/07/10/nato%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cdrang-nach-osten%E2%80%9D/
So-called “Liberal Democracy” is just the European-Americans’ modern version of the West’s imperialist Civilizing Mission and White Man’s Burden.
Or, put another way:
Nazism = Westernism, but without the mask of liberal democracy.
Posted by: ak74 | Nov 23 2022 9:54 utc | 123
Posted by: AG | Nov 23 2022 9:31 utc | 120
Would Russia allow NATO troops to take Western Ukraine? A lot of people (who are consciously or subconsciously scared that Russia won’t) think Russia will.
As Han Solo said: “Well, that’s the real trick, isn’t it?”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 23 2022 10:03 utc | 124
@ AG | Nov 23 2022 9:31 utc | 120
This would force Russia to declare US & coalition active belligerents & immediately use all available arms & forces to annihilate them, including the relevant ‘Coalition of Willing’ HQs, facilities & bases in Europe, & activate it’s on alert other 90% of Regular RF (up to ~800,000 Regulars), trigger full mobilization of up to ~4,700,000 & ultimately up to ~25,000,000 reserves & enter the Ukraine Theater, widening into a larger part-European war. The US is terrified of the consequences of this & would be very unlikely to do so given recent events & reactions by US, to dare to do so.
The Electricity Boards told the Government that there would be no issues in maintaining adequate supplies of electricity. The Government told the People that, due to the strikes, there would not be enough electricity and it would need to be rationed.
I imagine that the UK – or any other – Government would have no difficulty (either practically or morally) in doing so again. For months the People have been told that supply will run out, and they will believe it again.
Posted by: hep | Nov 23 2022 2:44 utc | 74
The threat to UK energy security is real. There is almost no coal fired capacity (power stations demolished and gensets sold to Germany). Nuclear is running flat out to produce 1/6th of UK baseline needs. There is little storage for pipeline gas from the north sea. Storage of LNG from Qatar at Milford Haven only covers 1/3rd of requirement. If the war spreads and Iran blockades the gulf or anyone hits a UK-bound LNG tanker, wind dependent UK will suffer prolonged and unpredictable blackouts.
Calling in the army to dig coal with bayonets will not be an option.
Apologies to b for off topic discussion.
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 10:11 utc | 127
Operational pause will not last long
Military expert Boris Rozhin on the weather factor, the significance of the border along the Dnieper and the protection of the Black Sea area – especially for the channel Voenkor Kotenok Z @voenkorKotenok:
Waiting for the intensification of hostilities
– In mid-November, the front stood up. Who benefits from this – Russia, which saturates the battle formations with mobilized ones, or Ukraine, where Western weapons are flowing in a continuous stream?
– The front stopped in November for objective reasons. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are saving up forces for the winter campaign, and this is a completely conscious choice made back in October.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine, in turn, tried to build on the successes achieved, which led to a partial depletion of reserves, which means that operations in the Svatovsky and Krasnolimansky directions have long entered the saturation phase, and the costs are not compensated by the results achieved, which in fact are absent (the Svatovo Armed Forces of Ukraine planned to take October 17th).
In addition, deteriorating weather, mud and rain make fighting difficult, which is felt by both sides.
It can be expected that in winter hostilities will intensify, and both sides will try to attack. For these tasks, not only the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but also the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now increasing their capabilities. So this formal “operational pause” will not last long.
APU needs a foothold on the Left Bank
– In conditions of calm, the Dnieper became a certain boundary, especially in the lower reaches. How tangible is the military threat in Crimea in the event of a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the southern direction?
– Of course, if we allow the enemy to force the Dnieper and create a full-fledged bridgehead on the Left Bank, this will create a direct threat to the communications of the Russian Armed Forces grouping in the northern Black Sea region, as well as the land corridor to the peninsula, which will greatly devalue Russia’s strategic success with the creation of a land corridor and create a threat to the northern Crimea.
But, it seems, the enemy will still place his main bet on an offensive in the Zaporozhye direction towards Pologi and Tokmak, and activity on the Dnieper will be of an auxiliary nature. The enemy’s local goals at the moment are to land troops on the Kinburn Spit and gain a foothold there, as well as to expand the activity of the DRG on the left bank of the Dnieper. Plus, intensify strikes against the ammunition depots and fuels and lubricants of the Russian group on the Left Bank.
The line along the Dnieper should not be broken
– What measures should be taken to deprive Kyiv of the initiative in the Black Sea area, taking into account the military-technical capabilities of the enemy and the transfer of intelligence information by the West, despite the fact that we can only rely on ourselves and are limited in a number of technologies and weapons?
– It is necessary to strengthen control of the movement of the enemy along the Dnieper, counter-sabotage measures in the coastal strip, intensify attacks on Kherson (which is already happening) and Ochakov, consistently carry out the tactics of dispersing ammunition and fuel depots, strengthen the CTO regime and filtering in the front-line areas on the Left Bank.
The Dnieper line is of strategic importance for the Russian Armed Forces – a breakthrough of this line can have operational and strategic consequences and affect the outcome of the war, so the issues of ensuring the stability of this line should be taken very seriously.
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 10:16 utc | 128
The incompetence goes on..
Diplomat presses UN to clearly assess execution of Russian POWs
https://tass.com/politics/1540635
Why are Russia whining at the UN? How are Russia unable to locate the area, perpetrators of these warcrimes?!
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 23 2022 8:03 utc | 106
The above is pathetic, even by your standards.
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Nov 23 2022 10:32 utc | 129
honestly i thought they had given up on this rubbish but daily express carries yet still russia sheĺs itself at ZNP as a means to create a nuclear accident as they cant use actual nukes without NATO then having to kick their a$$. lolz thanks former British Army officer Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, you gave me my laughs while eating dinner tonight by the laptop news
Posted by: hankster | Nov 23 2022 10:34 utc | 130
Down South @ 127
Keep on keeping on in Donesk, hold the Dnieper line. I just don’t see where an RF winter offensive fits in. RF might storm Donesk but I’m not sure that’s the big winter offensive everyone expects. It’s actually discomforting that Russia after almost a year is still struggling in the Donbas and on the barricades along the Dnieper and at Belgorod and Kursk of all places.
I think the big offensive will be from Ukraine and it will be make or break for both sides. Hopefully the west will repeat the Battle of Balaklava aka Charge of The Light Brigade. If not we will all be crying in our beer at the bar, harangued by trolls forcing us to cry Slava Ukraini as the prison door slams shut in the west. Grim.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2022 10:40 utc | 131
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 23 2022 10:05 utc | 124
Pure fantasy. I can understand people pre-SMO believing this sort of thing about Russia, but the pusillanimous way the SMO has been conducted should have disabused everyone of the idea that Russia is prepared to do what needs to be done. When NATO moves in, they’ll crap it. There’s no reason to believe they’ll do anything else.
Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Nov 23 2022 10:53 utc | 132
Posted by: hep | Nov 23 2022 2:44 utc | 74
Your memory must be getting addled. There were two major NUM strikes in 1970s – 1972 and 1974.
1972 the Power Station Workers went on strike too…….
https://www.counterfire.org/articles/history/22882-the-1972-miners-strike-a-rank-and-file-strike
The Regional Electricity Boards were RETAIL operations.
Production was in the hands of CEGB under Lord Marshall
There was a National Coal Board supplying the CEGB generating sets built on the coalfields……like Drax, Ferrybridge, Eggborough……..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_England
The Miners Strike was a response to the rundown of Coal in 1960s when cheap oil was substituted………..and once OPEC decided Dollar Devaluation was hurting them it made Oil a little costly……..
Heath had simply exploded Inflation with his Credit Boom in 1971 and ended up with Fringe Banks going belly up – even Midland folded
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 23 2022 10:55 utc | 133
No matter how tenaciously and bravely the Ukrainian troops fight, they are at a disadvantage……………….Compounding the dilemma of the Ukrainian troops is the growing difficulty to resupply their front line fighters with ammunition, weapons, food and vehicles.
Where did you cut and paste this schoolgirl narrative from ?
The only game in warfare is LOGISTICS……………Goering dropped the 6th Army at Stalingrad condoms……..but the Red Army stopped them procreating anyway
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 23 2022 10:58 utc | 134
@ Herr Ringbone | Nov 23 2022 10:53 utc | 131
Your satire is weak. Not funny at all. Suggest you go away & practice, hm ?
@margot | Nov 23 2022 8:11 utc | 109
Why is there no peace movement in EU or USA?
Why is the the Western narrative so strong that we see almost no sounds of discontent?
I do not understand how is that possible?
I am afraid of that.
Where has the critical mind gone?
I agree entirely with this sentiment, it is frightening. In my opinion, this fear culture was created by the bogus covid-19 hysteria. In fact, it is necessary to see covid-19 and the war against Russia in Ukraine as two sides of the same coin. The first created the fear that suppressed all opposition, the second took advantage of the fear to get the war going (as planned).
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2022 11:05 utc | 136
@lex talionis | 104
…Never translated any of their ideologue Dymtro Dontsov’s writing into English. They don’t want to let us in on their not so secrets…
To read it would be absolute mental torture – purely on stylistic grounds… “The Military Doctrine of Ukrainian Nationalists” (mandatory reading in the “Azov” battalion) by Mykhailo Kolodzinsky (eulogies glorifying his name in the Supreme Rada, monuments, museum…) is another masterpiece. Written by a bumpkin (as their spiritual leaders all were) for a bunch of vicious dolts. Hitler compared to him was Horatius. So crude, so blatant in his agitation for the extermination of Jews (especially Jews, among other “racially compromised” groups) that in April this year, they cancelled the official commemoration of the author in Ukraine.
Posted by: Nomad | Nov 23 2022 11:18 utc | 137
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 23 2022 11:01 utc | 134
You mistake a straightforward assessment for satire, so it is no wonder that your own largely faith-based analysis is likely to be wrong.
What evidence from the SMO allows you to conclude that the current Russian administration has the resolve to attack NATO’s troops and decision-making centres, even if they were left with no choice? Why would they do that, rather than whining at the UN, or half-arsing their military ops, or swapping Nazi prisoners, or trying to negotiate yet another eleventh-hour out with their “Western partners”?
The SMO leaves no basis for a belief in Russian political resolve to actually fight properly. After the expected Russian winter offensive fails to materialize, I would hope that more of the people here start admitting reality and laying off the Kool Aid.
Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Nov 23 2022 11:22 utc | 138
Why is there no peace movement in EU or USA? MARGOT 109 – There is no longer a Peace Movement here in the UK … the few who would have organised and spoken-out are by now too afraid as they suffer from post Brexit cum Covid backlash. Sad. Truly sad.
Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 23 2022 11:24 utc | 139
@ Herr Ringbone | Nov 23 2022 11:22 utc | 137
Sorry, no. That’s even less funny than the previous effort. Maybe have a chat with Dani re some pointers, hey ?
In the United States, which I left only eight days ago, the push back against the COVID bureaucracy is immense. I would guess, but have no stats to back this up, that the majority of Americans at this point either think that COVID was a non-existent fraud OR that it was created in a lab somewhere in China specifically to be used against citizens. In other words, people are well on their way to thinking that COVID was a tool of a rather evil group of elitists with which they bludgeoned the economy and lives of ordinary people. If elitists intended to use COVID as a long-term suppressor of opposition, their plans failed. The people are now MORE suspicious and angry, not less.
Will this translate into civil disobedience … even war? I don’t know. But I am absolutely certain that a sizeable subset of ordinary Americans have little respect or trust in what government and private sector elitists tell them, at this point.
Thus, COVID worked to open the eyes of the people, or some of them, not shut our eyes.
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People mentally associate peace movements with raggy, smelly hippies of the 1960s — not pleasant. To get a nice family man with kids and a suburban home to protest for peace means he has to mentally break that association. I’m sure there’s a way to do this, but don’t know what it is.
Elitists have a full bore disinformation/misinformation scheme going on, now. No one really knows what’s going on. Even military sorts. So, it’s not that their critical mind is gone, it’s that the information being fed to the people is intentionally foggy.
Newbie here with a dumb question:
How do I respond to someone’s post in such a way that the number of his post is included in my response? Do I just cut and paste it, or is there a trick to getting a bit of someone’s post into my response? There seems to be an etiquette that I want to respect.
By the way, “Hello! I’m an American in Paris. Good to meet brethren.”
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦🇹🇷 @Rybar on Turkish MLRS and Turkish Politics⚡️
The Oryx news resource reports that the Turkish government has handed over or will soon send 230mm TLRG-230 MLRS along with its guided munitions to the AFU.
The exact number of shells and launchers is unknown, but this multiple launch rocket launcher is one of the latest developments of the Turkish military industrial complex. Sending the MLRS to Ukraine will allow the weapon to be tested in intense combat conditions.
The TLRG-230 combines well with the laser-guided Bayraktar TB2 UAVs. Another 19 drones of this type will be handed over to Ukraine in the future, see here 👉 Supplies to Ukraine. The TLRG-230’s 70km hit range and target designation from the Bayraktar will increase engagement effectiveness many times over.
In addition to MLRS, the Turks will send various REB systems, as well as Sungur guided anti-aircraft missiles, which will be integrated into the Bayraktars based on an earlier agreement with Roketsan.
🩸 The actions of Erdogan’s administration are not surprising at all. His policy has always been built on gaining the greatest benefits for himself and for Turkey as a whole. The current geopolitical situation is in his favour, so it makes no sense to expect anything different from the Turkish president
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 11:53 utc | 143
Norwegian @ 135
I agree entirely with this sentiment, it is frightening. In my opinion, this fear culture was created by the bogus covid-19 hysteria. In fact, it is necessary to see covid-19 and the war against Russia in Ukraine as two sides of the same coin. The first created the fear that suppressed all opposition, the second took advantage of the fear to get the war going (as planned).
True but there were no peace movements before covid at least from 911 onward, there are no peace movements because we are no longer headed toward dictatorship we are well in one, we started on the road with Reagan got here with Obama. As Garland Nixon notes neoliberalism has three aspects, economic equals finalization, military equals neo-con, cultural equals wokism, all non functional hence all needing to be forced.
West was never a true democracy but what Wolin calls inverted totalitarianism, the anticipated societal damage, if not conscious fraud, of austerity/high structural unemployment neoliberalism necessitated flipping the tried and true Keynesian cold war inverted totalitarianism right side up.
We observing need to see the horse put back where it belongs, in front of the cart, there are no peace movements because we are in a dictatorship.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2022 11:54 utc | 144
@ Gt Stroller
English divorce Law does not recognise moral guilt or adverse consequences for immorality. Our fascist governments tied up the property owning classes, like myself , with homelessness from divorce. The weakthy became too bysycwith their own problems to worry about the poor.
Clever move by Thatcher to undermine traditional conservatism.
The racist Muslims had a green light from their racist imams to shag English women, but only a red light from their own communities, so they targeted girls in care. They gave them attention, which they had not received before. But politically speaking, these gang raped girls were sacrificed by government to appease the rage stored up against the British Raj by centuries of sexual exploitation in India.
Now the Tories have thousands of Tory voters, so the Thatcher plan worked.
Great politics 👌
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 11:54 utc | 145
@ KR | Nov 23 2022 11:53 utc | 141
Copy & paste the ‘posted by’ at the bottom of the post you wish to address as I have to you.
This is important, because when troll & inappropriate posts are deleted by our host b in a sweep, the post numbers will all change, but the date/time signatures will not. Have a go replying to me as I have addressed you. 😉
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 23 2022 11:38 utc | 139
No evidence, then. Fine with me.
Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Nov 23 2022 12:05 utc | 147
Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 11
Von der Crazy
You listen to Mercouris’ sidekick – the bearded buffoon. btw, he now refers to her as Von der Pirate. Actually, she’s just an over made up, dumb puppet mediocrity.
Posted by: newsline | Nov 23 2022 12:08 utc | 148
@Giyane
English divorce Law does not recognise moral guilt or adverse consequences for immorality. Our fascist governments tied up the property owning classes, like myself , with homelessness from divorce.
Can you explain this: “homelessness from divorce” You become homeless due to divorce?
@Geraint ap Iorwerth
Why is there no peace movement in EU or USA? MARGOT 109 – There is no longer a Peace Movement here in the UK …
Why there is no fear of war in the West then?
Posted by: margot | Nov 23 2022 12:31 utc | 150
Posted by: KR | Nov 23 2022 11:53 utc | 141
Yes, what Outraged | Nov 23 2022 12:01 utc | 145 said is important. Even some regulars should take heed.
I took a quick look at your site and read your essay The Democrat’s two simultaneous wars:
This is a clever quote from there: “As the soft mud in the Ukraine slowly freezes, Putin’s plan will thaw.”
Welcome.
Just remember that this is a bar and people do get intoxicated, some by their own opinions and some before they post. And both!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 23 2022 12:50 utc | 151
What gas shortages in the U.K.?
Last I looked there was a load of LNG tankers parked up off the coast at £100 million a day not unloading because of the unseasonably warm autumn so far.
With mid-winters day just 4 weeks away, the supposed demand hasn’t manifested just a cartel and sanctions induced quadrupling of gas and electric prices to fill the coffers of the foreign hedge funders who now own all U.K. utilities through decades of bipartisan privatisations. Being used to empty the coffers of the populace.
The fuckers sell us the free market pseudo scientific demand and supply crap whilst withholding cheap pipelined gas for extremely expensive and dangerously produced & transported US fracked nastiness.
The scare story sounds like an alibi for public funds to be used to salvage the profits from these tankers
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2022 12:58 utc | 152
https://www.rt.com/news/567011-cia-spies-recruit-russians/
It seems to get more stupid every day. Why not put up billboards in Moscow and had out cards? “Spies Wanted”.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 23 2022 12:59 utc | 153
Great politics 👌
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 11:54 utc | 144
The reason the ‘red wall’ voted tory was more to do with the British left’s pusillanimous avoidance of rocking the multiculti boat with firm action against the rape gangs at local authority/police level, and it’s disdain for UK sovereignty (and subsequent policy of overturning the 2016 vote for independence via a second referendum).
We’re waay off topic, I’ll leave it there.
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 13:01 utc | 154
Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7
So you are basically saying Russian and China are smarter than the collective for rejecting liberal
Democracy?
Thanks, Captain Obvious!
Posted by: drsmith | Nov 23 2022 13:05 utc | 155
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 11:54 utc | 144
True about the girls in care and how they were given attention by Raping racist Moslems of the UK. Not only rape ,but rape and murder, although many of the murders are so well done that the UK has been unable or unwilling to pursue murder charges as well.
The British elite typically stuffed it all up, not wanting to upset Moslem consumers or their parent nations like Pakistan , or the Hegemon ,the USA , who wants all its vassals including the UK being on friendly terms with Washington’s pet Elite Jihadists in Jeddah, Kuwait or Istanbul etc . So allowing all British laws to be trampled on ; with Moslems having many wives, indulging in “honour killing “ , rapes of targeted Christian girls and general fostering of “We are Moslems and thus the rulers here in Europe ” mentality .All police and judiciary were hamstrung by being afraid to be called “racist” , or told to stand down by connected higher-ups.
Do you know what makes me laugh? Most Western countries are afraid to have a burka-ed woman be told to show her face in institutions like banks or airports. Yet most Arab Muslim nations all have that law , and women are whipped in short order if it is not done promptly. They are smart enough to want to know who they are speaking to , but we handwringing Westerners don’t want to show our “racism “.
Modern Britain’s race to the bottom is not just political or economic, it is also cultural, with European Britons not knowing -anymore- how to be proud of their history, and sincere and Humanist with their dealings with Muslims without being overly – obsequious to not offend . Noone likes a loser…
P.S
Most of the raping brats are all from one Muslim valley in Jammu /Kashmir . Another mistake by the British Foreign Office – Arabists, like the Fiennes family- in bringing in many supremacist Muslims, rather than the easy -going sentinels against Jihadism , like Sikhs and Hindus. What possessed you all in Whitehall…
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 13:08 utc | 156
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 13:08 utc | 155
should be deleted for obnoxious racism.
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 23 2022 13:11 utc | 157
@ margot 149
In all cases the judge awards the House to the mother if there are children. Fathers get lost. See how Thatcher’s child care policy shines …
Similarly, in the politics of war, the British traditionally kept quiet about the wealth from Empire colonialism. There a single generation after WW2 when the British doubted the advantage of colonialism, but Thatcher changed us back.
If you want minerals from the antarctic you have yo fight for the Falklands, or for oil, Libya Somalia , Iraq, Scotland , Syria, Palestine.
The British being intellectually constrained by years of international piracy, never considered the possibility of fair trade, and not having to pay trillions on war and weapons. If the US had allowed Jeremy Corbyn to be PM, they
would already have murdered him like some of his previous colleagues.
Tories always choose the humane Road.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 13:14 utc | 158
The first data on the results of strikes in Ukraine: emergency power outages have been introduced in all regions, Ukrenergo reports
▪️A series of powerful explosions in Kiev. Mayor Klitschko announced a hit on an infrastructure facility. The whole city is without water and partly without electricity.
▪️Also, in the Vinnytsia region and the Lviv region, attacks were carried out on critical infrastructure facilities;
Power outage at:
– Kyiv and regions
— Dnepropetrovsk
— Krivoy Rog
— Poltava
— Zaporozhye
— Nikolaev
– Odessa and the region.
— Rivne and regions
– Khmelnytskyi and the region
— Kremenets-Podolsk
— Kirovograd region
— Kharkov
— Lutsk
— Cherkassy
— Chernihiv
— Sumac
— Zhytomyr
Interruptions and shutdowns of water in:
— Kyiv
— Sumac
— Nikolaev
— Kharkov
— Dnepropetrovsk
— Odessa
https://t.me/loordofwar/62130
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2022 13:17 utc | 159
Nato air defenses failing, and bombing residential buildings in Kiev.
https://t.me/loordofwar/62093
https://t.me/loordofwar/62110
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 23 2022 13:23 utc | 160
Thus, COVID worked to open the eyes of the people, or some of them, not shut our eyes.
Posted by: KR | Nov 23 2022 11:48 utc | 140
I’m also of this opinion to a degree.
Whether people’s eyes will open highly depends on people’s Internet savvy. They may know how to get on it, but the ability to seek out none mainstream narrative sources takes some experience. For people over 50 I suspect this is very difficult, but I have no way to gauge it expect by seeing where my circle of acquaintances tends to go for their information. Most are glued to CNN/FOX/BBC.
The serious problems with health, social issues, economic issues resulting from the Con-19 psyop are voluminous. There are even peer reviewed studies coming out focusing on these serious problems, but how many typical off the street people will have a chance to even see them ? Not many. Many I suspect sense something is not right, but do not see any outlet to have this verified.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 23 2022 13:24 utc | 161
@ laguerre 156
Colonial violent theft of oil across the Muslim world isn’t obnoxious racism?
“””” The oil doesn’t belong to them “”””. They don’t need it. We need it to keep the lorries running on the M1.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 13:25 utc | 162
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 23 2022 13:11 utc | 156
Stating readily – corroborated truths in newspapers ,TV news- services or gov reports is not “obnoxious racism”. It is truth. I challenge you to rebut any one of my assertions.
Your post seems consistent with the “lotus-eaters “ from the Odyssey.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 13:29 utc | 163
@ unimperator | Nov 23 2022 13:23 utc | 158 & 159
Yes. All that and probably a lot more is incoming.
Well, despite all the destruction, I hope that Ukrainian discomfort as in frozen and disconnected population’s low morale would spark some ‘regime change’ in Ukraine.
People of today are not as hard as those from WWII era and cannot take long periods of discomforted composure.
I am pretty sure that Zelensky and his whole entourage are warm & comfy.
The rest is not. Let us see how that plays out.
Posted by: whirlX | Nov 23 2022 13:37 utc | 164
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2022 12:58 utc | 151
All true , which is why that Smug unloved daughter -Thatcher- privatised everything. Funny that. She privatised everything so it could be more efficient, right? So why did she also allow foreigners to buy into them? Didn’t she think Britons were good enough at managing utilities and gov services, even if they har ruled an Empire …for God’s sakes.
Misanthropic money -grubbing woman and person in general. Yuck!
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 13:37 utc | 165
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:10 utc | 76
…I would bet that Russia could and will someday before a world body either in defense of its activities or as an explanation of its behavior; depending on who is the final victor in the Russo / US proxy war.
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:54 utc | 81
Once again, and=d for the last time, both the US and Russia are tracking these missiles, just as the US was tracking the Ukrainian S-300 that entered Poland. The Skies over Ukraine are being are being watched by the US / NATO and Russia. Russia will present its case when the time is right, but it will not give away it operational secrets while in the heat of a serious war with the US and NATO.
I don’t see the logic here. I’l assume we’re working from the same premise that:
1. Ukrainian side is shelling the nuclear plant
2. Russia does not want the plant to be shelled
3. European public does not want a major nuclear incident in the region
I’m pretty certain that the European public would react very strongly to the news that the side they are supporting is attempting to create a major nuclear incident. This revelation alone could bring demonstrations and force the issue into public discourse. Do our leaders really support a nuclear incident at our doorstep? Who’s interest do they represent? What are they doing to put an end to this?
In my opinion, putting an end to the shelling should be a priority for anyone concerned. And informing the public on the origin of the shelling is the easiest way to make that happen. As a bonus, it would set the seed for further questioning of the leadership and the national narrative.
Saving the info for some future, undefined attempt to set the record right doesn’t seem like a good choice. And as for operational secrets, I’m not sure what you’re thinking of, but there’s probably room for that consideration. In any case, we are talking about a major nuclear incident with generations long consequences.
Posted by: robin | Nov 23 2022 13:38 utc | 166
Last I looked there was a load of LNG tankers parked up off the coast at £100 million a day
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2022 12:58 utc | 151
Where do I look to find verifiable info about the tonnage of LNG parked up off the coast?
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 13:46 utc | 167
Nomad @97
Many thanks.
watcher@83
I am inclined to agree with you. james makes good points, without I think contradicting you.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 14:01 utc | 168
General Winter is looking like he has Banderite fascist tendencies. Bastard.
Posted by: Zed | Nov 23 2022 14:07 utc | 169
@CM of Berlin #128 re Zanon 106
Zanon believes Russia to be both omniscient and omnipotent. He cries like a child when he discovers that his heroes are mortals. Extraordinary mortals, but mortals nonetheless.
Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Nov 23 2022 14:10 utc | 171
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 13:37 utc | 164
You really have no political grasp do you ?
The State Assets in UK were privatised well below market value deliberately – they were preferentially sold to foreigners deliberately – the regulators were weak to guarantee supernormal profits deliberately
It was to make it impossibly expensive to RENATIONALISE them – there were roadshows in New York City to show just how supernormal the profits were and guaranteed………and how it would be impossible to RENATIONALISE because of the CapRate and the Cost
However…..there is a way……..simply tighten the regulatory screw and reduce the RoE by imposing heavy investment requirements………
What Thatcher did was let these utilities leverage up with Debt to pay Dividends rather than Invest in the Network as is usual in regulated utilities
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 23 2022 14:11 utc | 172
I think the big offensive will be from Ukraine and it will be make or break for both sides. Hopefully the west will repeat the Battle of Balaklava aka Charge of The Light Brigade.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2022 10:40 utc | 130
That’s not going to happen. Ukraine is not going to launch a major offensive unless it knows it will win. Given all the air and satellite reconnaissance assets available to Ukraine, they’re not going to accidentally stumble into a major defeat by virtue of choosing to conduct an unwise offensive.
Sure, Ukraine has and will conduct minor attacks and loose a few 10s, or even a 100 troops here and there, but the reason they’re willing to do that is because that is a level of attrition they can afford. Ukraine will not willingly suffer attrition they cannot afford, so they won’t launch any major offensive unless certain they will win.
Russia will not win the war of attrition by being passive.
Posted by: Mike314159 | Nov 23 2022 14:13 utc | 173
LightyearsFromHome #130
A successful offensive by Ukraine will not break Russia. Russia’s resources are very deep and she will fight to the death,and will use nuclear weapons as a last resort to defend Moscow if necessary. And since Russia can win a nuclear war, this war will inevitably end in the defeat of NATO.
Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Nov 23 2022 14:14 utc | 174
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2022 11:05 utc | 135
You are right. Covid “Vaccines” showed just how compliant a large group of the populace would be…….that destroyed Democracy ………it showed Obedience
Since the Lockdown Compliance and Experimental Drug Injections – the basis of Rational Actors in a Free Society is dead……….
There has been more compliance through propaganda that Hitler probably had during his 12 years
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 23 2022 14:15 utc | 175
Bill on banning Russian Orthodox Church submitted to Ukraine’s parliament
The European Solidarity party in Ukraine, led by former President Petro Poroshenko, announced that it has drafted a bill on banning the activities of the Russian Orthodox Church in the country and submitted it to parliament.
“On the initiative of (lawmaker) Mykola Kniazhytskyi, a draft bill has been registered to ban the activities of the Russian Orthodox Church on the territory of Ukraine,” Iryna Gerashchenko, co-chair of the party, said on Facebook.
Gerashchenko said that the bill also demands a complete ban on any religious organizations and institutions that are part of or under the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church.
Hmmmm. The government seems to be blaming members of a certain religion for Ukraine’s problems. Where could they have gotten an idea like that?
Posted by: farm ecologist | Nov 23 2022 14:16 utc | 176
Not the Onion:
EU parliament votes in support of accusing Russia as ‘state sponsorship of terrorism’
https://www.rt.com/news/567047-eu-parliament-russia-terrorism/
They may not like what Russia is doing, but i am quite sure no one in their right mind would call it terrorism.
That is usually what powerful empires with many proxies do, or their lovely Middle Eastern friends currently enjoying the great spectacle of the most corrupt Football World Cup in history.
Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 23 2022 14:23 utc | 177
Is there a level of human losses a country in war cannot permit?
USA has certain limits in Vietnam war it could not withstand.
In WW I the loses were huge but still most of the countries, specially in the West were able to continue for years.
Could it be true that young Ukrainian soldiers get stimulative drugs as claimed on some Russian sources?
Posted by: margot | Nov 23 2022 14:28 utc | 178
“Georgian Legion Carries Out ISIS-Style Executions in Ukraine—with Covert U.S. Support”
By Evan Reif
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/11/23/georgian-legion-carries-out-isis-style-executions-in-ukraine-with-covert-u-s-support/?mc_cid=3c0f6789f3&mc_eid=f5d74d7021
Paul Greenwood@174
Was that really you? There is nothing new about social assent to quarantine regulations in a time of epidemics. Born in the UK I was vaccinated shortly after birth and subsequently received several additional injections designed to protect me from disease.
While those who think for themselves are to be commended, they should not be allowed to decide, on their own what protections others should have. If a man will not wear a mask and believes that the virus should be allowed to spread without control he should stay at home and avoid, potentially infectious, contact with others.
Dictating to society is worse than accepting all of society’s dictates.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 14:30 utc | 179
@Giyane
In all cases the judge awards the House to the mother if there are children. Fathers get lost. See how Thatcher’s child care policy shines …
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 13:14 utc | 157
Even if it was fully owned by the father prior to the marriage?
Posted by: margot | Nov 23 2022 14:30 utc | 180
https://www.rt.com/news/567011-cia-spies-recruit-russians/
It seems to get more stupid every day. Why not put up billboards in Moscow and had out cards? “Spies Wanted”.
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 23 2022 12:59 utc | 152
—
They do not want spies. They want discord within the Russian society.
Still downright moronic.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 23 2022 14:35 utc | 181
Now that Ukraine has gone dark for a while, it should hamper the activity of the infowar somewhat; at least the segment which hasn’t been outsourced to other countries. It’s a good opportunity for the regulars to report in.
Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 23 2022 14:44 utc | 183
Dictating to society is worse than accepting all of society’s dictates.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 14:30 utc | 178
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Depends on what kind of society you are in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 23 2022 14:45 utc | 184
@ Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 23 2022 13:46 utc | 166
“Where do I look to find verifiable info about the tonnage of LNG parked up off the coast?
Thanks in advance.”
Well there is an internet with search engines but seeing as you asked so nicely:
Some MSM that can’t avoid actual facts:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/24/wave-of-lng-tankers-overwhelms-europe-and-hits-natural-gas-prices.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63331709
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/6/dozens-of-ships-carrying-lng-lingering-around-europes-coast
There are industry sites that you can examine for current state of play eg:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels?
https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-imports
Etc.
We live in a dumbed down society force feeding by ourselves the endless stream of lies that we take as fact because it’s ‘on the news, innit?’ convinced they are the smartest arses, whilst our overlord fascist statists laugh themselves to sleep daily with another billion in their boots.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 23 2022 14:54 utc | 185
🇷🇺🇺🇦💡Massive missile attack of the Russian Armed Forces on Ukraine: what is known at 16:00(Moscow Time)
In the afternoon, the RF Armed Forces again launched a series of strikes on targets on Ukrainian territory. The targets were once again elements of the country’s energy infrastructure.
🔻Kiev: a series of arrivals and explosions. TETs-5 in Vydubychi and TETs-6, which were already the target of attacks in October, were preliminarily hit. In the left-bank part of the city, power outages began, water supply was completely lost, and the metro stopped working.
🔻Nikolaev: explosions in the city, the city is de-energized. Local resources reported problems at the South Ukrainian NPP and an emergency shutdown of power units, which indirectly indicates the defeat of the 750 kV substation.
🔻Odessa: explosions in Belyavsky district, power supply was lost throughout the region.
🔻Dnepropetrovsk: arrivals in the vicinity of the city and in Krivoy Rog, problems with light in the region.
🔻Zaporozhye: explosions near Volnyansk, where the Zaporizhzhya-750 substation is located. Power outages in the area.
🔻Kirovograd: arrival near the dam in Svetlovodsk.
🔻Vinnitsa: arrivals at the Ladyzhynska TPP, which was previously the target of Russian strikes.
Power was also lost in the Lvov, Rivne and Volyn regions in western Ukraine, as well as in Kharkiv, Sumy, Zhytomyr, Poltava and Chernihiv. Long-term emergency power outages began across the country.
The impact of today’s raid demonstrates the cumulative effect of past Russian raids, with each successive missile strike causing a greater reduction in the resilience of the Ukrainian energy system.
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 14:56 utc | 186
🇺🇦Ukraine’s Ukrenegro announced emergency shutdowns in all regions of Ukraine.
💥Moldova is almost completely without electricity. Transnistria too. The mobile network is down. In Chisinau, trolleybuses have stopped and traffic lights have been turned off. There is not even light in the parliament”
Power outage in Moldova led to problems at the checkpoint – border police
Due to attacks, water supplies are suspended throughout Kiev – Klitschko
Major part of the railway communication was stopped.
Interruptions with the Internet and cellular communications continue.
In a number of cities there are problems with water supply due to the stoppage of electric pumps.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21900
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 15:00 utc | 187
So now the sensless EU have declared Russia terror state? Well that proves there is nothing but world war left for these disgusting pricks running the EU.
Why have not Russia declared EU a terror entity yet? Do it, NOW!
Russia responds to EU ‘sponsor of terrorism’ resolution
https://swentr.site/russia/567050-zakharova-eu-sponsor-idiocy/
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 23 2022 15:01 utc | 188
🇲🇩🇷🇺🇺🇦💡After a massive Russian strike on the Ukrainian energy infrastructure, power outages began in Moldova and Transnistria.
In Chisinau, traffic lights turned off on the streets, electric transport stopped,and communication problems began. As Rybar ✍️ wrote earlier, the root cause of the problems with the country’s energy system was largely the policy of the Moldovan authorities themselves.
Restrictions on supplies to Transnistria led to a decrease in the generation of the Moldavskaya GRES, which, with its capacity, stabilized the situation in the south of the Odessa region and fed energy-deficient Moldova.
Apparently, this time automatic protection also worked at the power plant due to a decrease in power and increased consumption from Ukraine after the strike by the Russian Armed Forces.
The station switched to work for its own needs, which provoked an electricity shutdown in Chisinau and other Moldovan cities.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21910
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 15:02 utc | 189
Some insights about the air component.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYDnspMWdaM
Posted by: Matties | Nov 23 2022 15:09 utc | 190
@ DunGroanin
With so much ‘panic’ of not having enough storage, I wondered where it was all being kept. 😉 Thank you!
@ LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2022 9:33 utc | 121
I was told that some years ago, before I fell down the rabbit hole. I knew instantly and absolutely that it must be true, because of who told me. Yet others who were there still refuse to believe it. If a con worked, it’ll be used again – just given a different cover, in case some people catch on. I had a letter this morning from HM Government, with a shiny brochure entitled ‘Smart meters – The benefits for you and Great Britain’. I had to laugh (it’s either that or cry). I wonder how long ago that was drawn up and sent to the printers? Interesting that it says ‘Great Britain’ and not ‘UK’ – sounds a bit like Blitz Spirit…
I’m not sure that things will actually hit rock bottom though. A bit like drug dealers and their clients: to keep the money rolling in, you have to give them enough to create and feed an addiction without overdosing or hitting rock bottom (at which point they might just have motivation to get sober). Governments/Elites use drugs, FUD, Blitz Spirit, Divide & Conquer – and now virtue signalling too. Add a little more or a little less of each as required. The World Cup will be a morale boost/distraction to help them keep the lid on things for a few weeks. There’s plenty of money/resources to be extracted yet (Ukraine included), and they’re planning long-term.
They’re also very, very good at controlling any burgeoning opposition. The original skinheads were disaffected youth wanting a better life and rebelling against the then-fashionable longer hair, and through Ska they formed a community with Afro-Caribbean immigrants. The whites were targeted and infiltrated by extreme right-wing groups, and skinheads are now almost exclusively associated with neo-Nazis. I expect this was one of the ways they got recruits for Azov (and ISIS, and whoever else). The ones surrendering at Azovstal with a huge number of tattoos is a good indicator. Add the right drugs, and they’ve got their own expendable private army of soulless killing machines for torturing, raping and pillaging anywhere in the world.
Posted by: hep | Nov 23 2022 15:10 utc | 191
In response to Zanon@187,
State sponsor of terrorism and related terminology isn’t defined in Russian law nor, for that matter, in European law. It’s chiefly a symbolic Americanism when adopted by states other than the US.
Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 23 2022 15:14 utc | 192
SKiffer
Indeed, however Russia should make such a symbolic declaration themselves against the EU.
Funny thing is that not even the americans are as stupid as the EU on this
“Russia is not ‘state sponsor of terrorism’ – US ambassador ”
https://swentr.site/news/567049-russia-not-sponsor-terrorism-us/
Jesus christ, such morons run the EU ruining it for themselves over and over again!
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 23 2022 15:18 utc | 193
Re post #184:
It seems to me that an attack with submarines using torpedoes, mines and missiles on LNG tankers waiting to offload at European ports might be an extremely effective tactic to discourage continued support for Ukraine. The attack on the NordStream pipelines sets a precedent that such attacks are justified.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Nov 23 2022 15:20 utc | 194
The answer to the question why there aren´t any peacedemonstrations in Europe, is in Sweden this: Our defence doctrine used to say: “No military alliance in peace, neutrality in war” Now the text has been replaced with something fuzzy like “changed conditions”. Thanks to the social democrates.
Only 2000 workers attended a manifestation in Stockholm against deterioration in the right to strike (which our dictator EU had ordered), almost as few as a manifestation against Nato some years before…However The Pride festival gathered 40 000.
Former organizers of anti-imperialistic demonstrations, the parties on the left, are now all occupied with identity questions, and they all think Ukraine is fighting for its freedom. The concious workers have ceased to be members in the these parties.
30% of the unionized social democrates workers are now voting for SD, a populistic party on the right. Mostly due to the problems caused by the migration.
Posted by: Northern Eve | Nov 23 2022 15:21 utc | 195
I am really interested in how dense cities without electricity / water / sewage lift stations / lighting / heat survive. We could have a solar storm and lose power for months or years yet no government plans for such contingencies. It seems to be a terrible fate. Will local rural farming communities adopt millions of desperate city dwellers or will the fear them?
With no electricity, most business will shut down. Most people will be unemployed.
Once the power is gone, it won’t be back until the system is rebuilt — long after the war is over. I can see Russia rebuilding it, but not the west. You could have small generators everywhere for light and refrigeration, but they need fuel transport and of course, thousands of generators. Some of the power plants also provided district heat. It is likely that district heating (like steam in Manhattan) isn’t easily replaced.
I fully expect a mass migration from city cores, and I expect it has already started. If I was a Ukraine citizen with family to care for, I would be trying to get to Russia, learn the language and start a new life. Going to Europe as a refugee could easily get you sent for military training, forced to go back to Ukraine only to be shot as a deserter or sent off for slaughter in trenches under thermobaric blasts.
Looking at the thermal images of drones dropping grenades and the detail they show, I would take my chances as a family holding hands and travel at night.
Posted by: PP | Nov 23 2022 15:26 utc | 196
Posted by: Matties | Nov 23 2022 15:09 utc | 189
Nice find !!!
Explains a lot about what was going on in the air in the beginning and later.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 23 2022 15:30 utc | 197
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 23 2022 14:11 utc | 171
I feel you are preaching to the converted. I am aware of all you say and did you not grasp my satirical tone?
Or course the harridan poison -pilled the whole privatisation affair. She was a horrid person and a useful greedy idiot.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 23 2022 15:36 utc | 198
Big strikes on energy. I think ukraines declaration that it was going to export electricity to the eu(because its heavy industry is largely idled) was a signal to keep hitting it.
Good for Russia. Ukraine has the military edge now though. Theres too much stuff, of all different sorts, for Russia to find some counter.
Ukraine cut the kherson bridges early before massing troops. Likewise they cut the Crimea bridge, now they will try to cut the land bridge. Russia is, belatedly building defenses along the main road. Once and if that’s cut then it’ll be to Crimea. Look for Romania or someone gift ships and get new ones from America. Then it’ll be a naval landing. I’m assuming charge of the light brigade too but Russia needs humility and caution. They can lose it all and it won’t stop at Russias borders either. Think greater Ukraine occupying Russian terrority. The strategic goal is the caucuses.
Ukraine should also attack donetsk. Russias been stuck there the whole time and not from lack of trying. The units there might be depleted they could really surprise Russia, but they gotta focus on the land bridge.
So land bridge then Crimea then onwards to sochi for Ukraine.
Russia need to focus on defense then counter attack and really take the losses to encircle the troops stuck at donetsk.
America can supply weapons forever, hopeful stories about no industrial capacity is temporary condition. Plenty of labor and draftable young men around. They thought it was for a better life but they’re just replacement bullet takers.
Russia should do something crazy like give a weeks notice to leave bridges because they’re going to nuke them. Can’t move the bridge and those fancy missles better actually work, shoot them from the north pole over some nato countries. Gonna take balls and put it on the line here.
Ukraine has the edge though, it has counters to Russian strengths, and will soon have an advantage especially if Russian logistics really fail. They should test those mobilized people or press donetsk too if they can find some volunteers to draw Russian reserves.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 23 2022 15:39 utc | 199
If a man will not wear a mask and believes that the virus should be allowed to spread without control he should stay at home and avoid, potentially infectious, contact with others.
Dictating to society is worse than accepting all of society’s dictates.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 14:30 utc | 178
If I take preventative measures to make sure infection cannot spread in my own body, I am free to leave my house without a mask. If you are not convinced, you are free to wear 2 masks or more.
There are those of us who believe that the dramatic uptick in respiratory illness this fall is due to the mask mandates of the previous 2 years. The human immune system requires exposure to bacteria and viruses to function properly. Like it or not, the human body is an ecosystem where less than 50% of the cells contain human dna.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome#Relative_numbers
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 23 2022 15:43 utc | 200