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November 22, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-206

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Odnamrod Meditation #5

Now the masks have been removed from the faces of the NATO nations and their few vassals in the post-colonial world.
For decades coming Russia will remember the Europe they once longed to be part of wanted their complete destruction.

Will collective Poland ever be able to look collective Russia in the eye and ever see the light of friendship there?
Will collective "Galicia" ever be able to look collective Donetsk in the eye and not see the burning hatred and fear?

Ignore this war and it's conclusion: The darkness settling over the continent will last decades, perhaps centuries ...


Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1

RT headline today:

"Russia threatens to cut gas exports due to Ukraine’s theft"

This isn't even a barking dog scolding the passing caravan.

Rodney King's 1992 'Can't we all just get along' unfortunately comes to mind.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 2

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday.
Moscow has asked the IAEA to do its duty and identify who attacked the Zaporozhye power plant

There is the single global order that Macron wants.

Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3

Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP)

Except when convenient to their masters in Washington ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:15 utc | 4

@circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday.
The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5

Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1 Masks off, indeed. I volunteer to add:

Will the EU citizens with a remaining trace of brain ever again trust their war-mongering, war crimes white-washing, blatantly lying, nazi hailing politicians? Can there ever again be a moral justification for a system that pursues nuclear- (NPP shelling just the least severe instance) and biological (military weapon labs) annihilation? Will the world forget that the Evil Empire weaponizes the hunger in the world for its own advantage? Hopefully not. The moral darkness you describe will be world-wide seen. And taught, I hope.

Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6

"Ignore this war and it's conclusion: The darkness settling over the continent will last decades, perhaps centuries ...".

Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on "satanism" aka liberal democracy. Its a shame, but they chose it freely and by blood. Now they can say hello to their new masters China.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7

Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6

Will the EU citizens with a remaining trace of brain ever again trust their war-mongering, war crimes white-washing, blatantly lying, nazi hailing politicians? ... The moral darkness you describe will be world-wide seen. And taught, I hope.

Here, I think the Chemical Brothers sang it best in this prophetic number from 2008:

Heaven's down
And Hell is up

All rights reversed
Proven by the planets and their movements

While down on earth
The primal chaos
Is pushing backwards

But even then the danger never stops

[Chorus]
And no one's stopping
It never stops

[Verse 2]
It never stops
And no one's stopping
All rights reversed

Undertaking kopyleft while flying sideways

While down on earth
The primal chaos
Is pulling forward

And there are other threats below

It Never stops
And no one's stopping

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:52 utc | 8

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5
"The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos."

I've been thinking that for some time now. The UN sited itself in New York to encourage US involvement at a time when this was a genuine concern. However it has become a hostage of fortune and increasingly unable and unwilling to honestly meet its charter obligations. New York city is an expensive location and may appeal to some states' foreign ministries as a prestige location for spending taxpayers' money, but it is, in fact, increasingly not just pointless but co-opted and dangerous.

Moving the UN HQ to a 3rd world country which needs foreign investment would be a widely-respected move which sends a positive message to non-aligned states. It also gives the UN a chance to recover from its current case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Posted by: tPaine | Nov 22 2022 17:54 utc | 9

@circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3 The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday.

Perhaps the job is better suited to the OSCE. Unless they repeat what they did in Donbass, providing intel to the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 22 2022 17:54 utc | 10

@OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6

Will the EU citizens
To my knowledge, such people do not exist, even if Von der Crazy would like it to be so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 11

Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7

Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on "satanism" ...

How could they choose to leave what they had never been part of ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 12

The UK’s National Grid has issued a warning to homes to be ready for “power issues” as temps drop tonight.

This is on several TG channels. WTF, it's not even winter yet, I really doubt the UK is low on power. This is either some epochal psyops on the UK populace, culling of old, looting the last of the lucre before the whole house of cards crashes down, or prep for WW3 rationing, or the UK govt totally bullshited their people over the last couple of months about having enough of a buffer of gas, oil, coal, whatever to get them through winter.

Yesterday some here mentioned a likely play to balance or trade UK power with an EU in shortage as the likely explanation, but it's the first few cold days and the systems in tilt already???

The sanctions blowback might really be as bad as the worst pro Ruskie predictions. Maybe the Russians are going slow in the trenches because they got the hybrid war in the bag? I doubt this but no one would know the UK and EU energy requirements better than Gazprom.

Whatever, something foul is in the air.

re: Mushrooms "Keep them in the dark and feed them shit". Here comes the dark part, open wide for the shit.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13

Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7

"Fnord" (/fnɔːrd/) is a word coined in 1965 by Kerry Thornley and Greg Hill in the Discordian religious text Principia Discordia. It entered the popular culture after appearing in The Illuminatus! Trilogy (1975) of satirical and parody conspiracy fiction novels by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. In these novels, the interjection "fnord" is given hypnotic power over the unenlightened, and children in grade school are taught to be unable to see the word consciously.

IMO, the hypnosis is total, global, and irreversible. The proles will never be able to see the Fnords. Hail Eris I guess ...

Posted by: Drifter | Nov 22 2022 17:56 utc | 14

UN and basically every other international organization should be moved out of Washington DC and Brussels.
Or create new ones and ignore the old corrupt ones.
Seems obvious.

Posted by: Salamander Sasquatch | Nov 22 2022 18:09 utc | 15

Drifter @14--

Au contraire! Fnord's agenda here was quite overt from its first appearance at MoA along with those of its fellows--the spreading of FUD, much as you're doing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 22 2022 18:10 utc | 16

The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5

Caracas, Venezuela =)

If only the UN had a time machine they could go back to 1917:

https://agilescientific.com/blog/2018/2/23/finding-big-bertha

A heated platinum wire!

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 22 2022 18:13 utc | 17

It's weird anyone talking about "liberal democracy" after 2 years of incipient fascism as demonstrated by the brutal curtailing of rights and freedoms for the sniffles but down right ridiculous to include Ukraine in that club.All opposition parties banned,all opposition media outlets shut down,opposition politicians imprisoned or murdered.

Posted by: Antipropo | Nov 22 2022 18:21 utc | 18

@Antipropo

Yes, it’s Orwell-speak.

When that’s done for long enough, people can’t even think anymore, can only repeat those buzz words.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 22 2022 18:29 utc | 19

... but it's the first few cold days and the systems in tilt already???
...
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13

Quickly withdrawn but still very odd.... FUD psyop?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/22/national-grid-issues-cancels-electricity-shortage-warning/

National Grid issues – then cancels – electricity shortage warning
'Tight electricity margin' issued as power generation from wind halves

The following Beeb article highlights potential gas shortage ... but UK doesn’t get gas via Ukraine and isn’t UK gas supply under stable contract prices?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63118574

Ofgem said: "Due to the war in Ukraine and gas shortages in Europe, there is a significant risk that gas shortages could occur during the winter 2022-23 in Great Britain. As a result, there is a possibility that Great Britain could enter into a gas supply emergency."

I would very much like to hear from anyone who knows the specifics of how the UK might face a gas shortage ... unless it’s a cover for transferring gas to EU under the counter.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 22 2022 18:46 utc | 20

"Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on "satanism" aka liberal democracy. Its a shame, but they chose it freely and by blood. Now they can say hello to their new masters China.

Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc"

Pardon my direct criticism, but this comment shows clearly the problem of many western liberals: they focus so much on hating Russia, that they forget to think about the consequences for themselves. Let us for one moment assume that this is true, that the breakdown of relations between Russia and the West is permanent and Russia will become increasingly dependent on China - how could this be good for us here in Europe? Pushing Russia in the Chinese sphere of influence is a big win for Beijing, not for anyone here. Assumptions like yours should be uttered with fear, not with a blind triumphalism; what is bad for Russia is not necessarily good for us.

Posted by: Confused | Nov 22 2022 18:48 utc | 21

Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7

well russians are too assertive - thats the reason why chinese and russians dont basically like each other - one is too assertive the other one too sly - cultural thingy if you understand


so no - chinese are if said so more worried that they get to be the B* of Russia not the other way around - just without extra burgers and shiny hollywood

Posted by: Macpott | Nov 22 2022 18:58 utc | 22

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 22 2022 19:02 utc | 23

"...Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on "satanism" aka liberal democracy. Its a shame, but they chose it freely and by blood. Now they can say hello to their new masters China..." Fnord73@7

Projection on Fnascist's part.
Russia, China and Iran, soon to be joined by other Eurasian states are allied in self defence. It took them long enough: the US has been banging at their doors, arming militias in Chechnya, Xinkiang and Kurdistan, setting off car bombs in Moscow, Hong Kong, Tehran for years. Thousands have been killed, incalculable economic and social damage wrought and no end is in sight. The CIA simply deny their clear and obvious responsibility, the media look away.

And this is clear evidence, according to the poster, that China is behind it all: China, trying to reduce its neighbours to slavery, prevails upon the CIA and MI6 to do its work for it.
Liberal Democracy would never do such things.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:04 utc | 24

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 22 2022 19:06 utc | 25

One of the Ukrainians who took part in the execution of the Russian POWS at Makeevka has been reported killed ...near Makeevka:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineCrisis2022/comments/z1dywv/one_of_the_ukrainians_who_took_part_in_the/

Posted by: Mummer | Nov 22 2022 19:23 utc | 26

To @circumspect: Do not expect any objectivity from the OSCE. There was a venue recently in Poland under their auspices, it was called "Decolonizing Russia". It was about fragmenting it to destroy the grip of the Kremlin autocrats, so the parts would be opened up to Western asset stripping, to colonization in one word. The OSCE lends its platform to such venues, that tells a lot about them and their orwellian newspeak about "decolonization". See: https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/press-releases/decolonization-russia-be-discussed-upcoming

Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 22 2022 19:25 utc | 27

Presaging what Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations will look like:

TASS: "DONETSK, November 22. /TASS/. The Ukrainian side is seeking to pin the blame on the Russian soldiers who were executed by Ukrainian troops in the village of Makeyevka."

This is beyond the rational by furlongs, miles, light years.

Unconditional surrender terms or anticipate this type of unreal idiocy endlessly. The irrational has zero limits.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 22 2022 19:27 utc | 28

anon2020 @ 20

Quickly withdrawn but still very odd.... FUD psyop?

It's almost like they are pulling in a fish. Reel in some, relax and give it some line, draw it back in, give it some more line... when it's tired out you own it. Yeh, I'd say FUD psyops.

Many things in the EU smell foul lately. Maybe the wind is blowing from the east and it's the cadavers left in the fields of Ukraine.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 19:30 utc | 29

Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday.
Moscow has asked the IAEA to do its duty and identify who attacked the Zaporozhye power plant
...

In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb.

I don't understand what is going on here. Its forces are right there on the premises of the nuclear plant, watching the shells rain down. Why aren't we seeing some kind of convincing footage? On site video, radar or satellite footage - how difficult would it be?

It's pretty painful to watch the Russians get blasted out of the water in this narrative duck hunt.

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 19:34 utc | 30

Move the un and other orgs…
Won’t happen any time soon, not least bc Russia and China have veto on security council.
But building other Asian meeting places for BRICS and Shanghai org etc can grow as others join, and ny un can gradually wither on the vine as power shifts away from the west. The banker Macron is worried about that..
Change is happening very fast, amazing the acceleration with Ukraine war. Suspicions us reckless wars have weakened it are firming up in row as nato is shown as paper tiger and us crushes Germany, not Russia. Imo The west will break up as a result of the latest stupidity.
Ground is getting colder. Homes, too.

Posted by: John k | Nov 22 2022 19:39 utc | 31

I'm inclined to think the Russian leadership will bet on a double-pronged winter offensive: (1) disable the Ukr power grid, and, (2) Throw the new reinforcements into a major campaign.

So they should be waiting for a deep freeze. Except, wasn't this issue disproven LAST winter? I remember the u.S. press kept saying that Russia was probably waiting for the soil to freeze to invade Ukraine, but then even when Russia DID start advancing they stuck to the roads.

Posted by: GoFast | Nov 22 2022 19:42 utc | 32

"..It's pretty painful to watch the Russians get blasted out of the water in this narrative duck hunt."
robin@30
Sherman was right: War is Hell.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:48 utc | 33

robin @ 30

In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb.... It's pretty painful to watch the Russians get blasted out of the water in this narrative duck hunt.

Maybe a Kalibr in the parking lot of Rivne NPP might make them more observant? Good thing I'm not running this war.

bevin @ 33

Sherman was right: War is Hell.

Hybrid War is Heller.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 19:56 utc | 34

Looks like the NYT forgot to check their photos to make sure the neo-Nazis they are promoting remembered to take off their Nazi insignia before they got into any photographs.

Look at the photo third from the bottom.

https://archive.ph/R4Mji

Posted by: N | Nov 22 2022 19:56 utc | 35

N @ 35

Looks like the NYT forgot to check their photos to make sure the neo-Nazis they are promoting remembered to take off their Nazi insignia before they got into any photographs.

I assume you are being sarcastic? They haven't forgotten anything and neither have any of the other msm showing this stuff. It's the slow, systematic normalization of Nazism. Been in the works since 1945. When a rat dies the fleas don't die, they move to a new rat.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 20:09 utc | 36

I would very much like to hear from anyone who knows the specifics of how the UK might face a gas shortage ... unless it’s a cover for transferring gas to EU under the counter.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 22 2022 18:46 utc | 20

Britain: "Hey Holland, is it ok if we pump gas we can't store (because the ecoloons made us shut down our storage facilities) over to you again this summer, and buy it back in the winter when we need more of it?

Holland: Sure you can guys. In fact, could you up the pressure on the pipeline and send more than usual please, we're having trouble getting enough because of Ukraine and everything.

Britain: Errr, OK... but you WILL sell it back to us when we need it this winter... won't you??

Holland: Of course guys, of course. Relax, when have we in the EU countries ever made you promises we didn't keep?

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 20:25 utc | 37

cant take the buggers anywhere without causing trouble. 3 ukrainians arrested in Doha after graffiti hitler moustaches and writing sieg heil on the mascot posters.
https://youtu.be/16uTNRnCu84

Posted by: hankster | Nov 22 2022 20:27 utc | 38

The case of three russian 6th columnists, all hiding away from war (one a fraudulent bookseller, with a guru syndrome, living in the US shithole among degenerate hippies of the west coast)
Those three guys have the audacity to defame and lie about real patriots, fighting and organizing networks that provide rusdian soldiers with everything that the rats in Moscow and Hell Aviv stole for years: secure comms, drones, ballistic protection, warm tactical clothes etc.

They are not only wrong (we are all sometimes, fooled by our arrogance or desire to believe in fancy narratives), they actively cultivate lies, hate truth and spread venom on defenders struggling heroically in an existential war for Russia (and for all in Asia and the "global south").

Listen to them, (if you speak russian pay attenrion to their choices of words) listen to their fooled cult followers and learn a crucial lesson of war, how it reveals the (im)morality of people. War is horrendous in so many ways, enemies wear so many disguise. https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/1049

Posted by: Kareem | Nov 22 2022 20:28 utc | 39

#30 Robin

I think Russia sees only too well the hostility that has been directed at it by the UN, the IAEA and other unelected bureaucratic arms of the Globalist, One World Government movement.

It knows that no level of proof would be accepted that would bring a semblance of reality into their media reporting, never mind the chances that these outlets would even print it or show it.

So the strategy of constantly exposing and embarrassing the likes the IAEA is probably as good as Russia can manage.

And it does seem to be having a bot of an effect, some of the Globalist media partners are now explicitly identifying Ukraine, and by extension NATO and the Pentagon, of the missile attacks on the ZNPP and last weekend reported on the killing of the Russian POW's by their Ukraine captors.

One thing that is becoming increasingly clear, is that the Globalist media can no longer peddle the fiction that Russia is a pariah in the rest of the world. The expanding BRICS group, the SCO, and the numerous other economic alliances that Russia has entered into are testament to that.

By contrast, it looks as if it is the Western powers that are becoming increasingly isolated.
Support for the Ukraine expedition isn't existent outside of North America, Britain and the EU, while they have engineered a situation where not a single country in the West has a single sovereign ally within OPEC.

How long are their citizens going to put up with such a shambolic collection of wasters.

Posted by: Orchard1 | Nov 22 2022 20:32 utc | 40

When all is said and done, isn't it remarkable that the Russians still don't hate the Germans, the French, The Brits, The North-Americans? Even that part of the Russian population that clamours for stronger military engagement does not display such visceral hate as our western media do. Well, violence, hate and cruelty have always been human traits, but surely it are the NATO countries who excel in them (let's add Ukraine, as a would-be NATO country).
That and the endless western thirst for money. In a way, Standard Oil is still fuelling the German U-boats, as they did in WOII.
So Nazism under whatever name will keep raising its ugly head and grow two new ones when you cut it off (eh, much as the trolls here flourish...).

Posted by: Anthony | Nov 22 2022 20:33 utc | 41

In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb.

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 19:34 utc | 30

No doubt the Russians have some counter battery radar on site at the ZNPP, its surely time to release and publicise the incoming tracks?

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 22 2022 20:33 utc | 42

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5 "The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos."

I've been thinking that for some time now. The UN sited itself in New York to encourage US involvement at a time when this was a genuine concern. However it has become a hostage of fortune and increasingly unable and unwilling to honestly meet its charter obligations. New York city is an expensive location and may appeal to some states' foreign ministries as a prestige location for spending taxpayers' money, but it is, in fact, increasingly not just pointless but co-opted and dangerous.

Moving the UN HQ to a 3rd world country which needs foreign investment would be a widely-respected move which sends a positive message to non-aligned states. It also gives the UN a chance to recover from its current case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Posted by: tPaine | Nov 22 2022 17:54 utc | 9

The main UN Building ended up in New York because the Rockefellers donated the land and the US was the biggest funder then and ever since.

Astana has been touted as the capital of the New World Order...

https://youtu.be/MAsvz-WelPM

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 22 2022 20:44 utc | 43

"The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP)" Factually, it took only one hour for the UN and Western/European governments to collectively determine the origin and flight path of the missile(s) that struck Poland. But the UN now claims they (the collective West) can't track the missiles coming into Zaporozhye. Who's buyin' this?! Any deployed air defense system or satellite recon image can observe and document the inbound flight paths. Obviously, they don't want to reveal the truth because it would likely reveal to the public that Western MRLSs provided to Ukraine are firing those missiles.

Posted by: buffalolips | Nov 22 2022 20:45 utc | 44


Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1

Ignore this war and it's conclusion: The darkness settling over the continent will last decades, perhaps centuries ...blockquote

Agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

Wrong. The sun rises in the east. The dark fails.

P.S. Karlof1, 7of9 still hasn't heard from you if you liked the flowers... Warum ?


Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 22 2022 20:57 utc | 45

Big Serge Preview:

History of Battle, pt 3

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-history-of-battle-maneuver-part-698?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Posted by: morongobill | Nov 22 2022 21:00 utc | 46

anon2020 @ 20

I would very much like to hear from anyone who knows the specifics of how the UK might face a gas shortage ... unless it’s a cover for transferring gas to EU under the counter.

Duh

It's not a gas shortage, it's a wind shortage. The turbine bird-choppers were producing ~12GW at midnight but only ~3GW by 18:00 this evening. It's likely to be calm overnight with the wind picking up again tomorrow morning.

Posted by: Hereward | Nov 22 2022 21:00 utc | 47

When all is said and done, isn't it remarkable that the Russians still don't hate the Germans, the French, The Brits, The North-Americans?

---

Could be smoldering remnants of class consciousness.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 22 2022 21:01 utc | 48

@Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 11 No such thing like an EU citizenship

Formally true. By heart and spirits (no, not the fermentation products), the idea did live for a while in my thoughts. It died already a decade ago. - Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 21:06 utc | 49

"In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb."
[Russia already knows what the UN (IAEA) has become an instrument of the US and NATO, but they still must go on the record as having requested that the IAEA do what is required of them by international law.]

I don't understand what is going on here. Its forces are right there on the premises of the nuclear plant, watching the shells rain down. Why aren't we seeing some kind of convincing footage? On-site video, radar, or satellite footage - how difficult would it be?

[I saw photos of the aftermath of the Nazi attacks on the ZPPP on RT, if you didn't see it in the MSM, that is probably because you are looking in the wrong places.]

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 19:34 utc | 30

My comments are in brackets [ ].

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 22 2022 21:08 utc | 50

So, Dima's talking about a vid of a firefight near Spirne. Anyone know where he's sourcing these?

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Nov 22 2022 21:14 utc | 51

it's a wind shortage. The turbine bird-choppers were producing ~12GW at midnight but only ~3GW by 18:00 this evening. It's likely to be calm overnight with the wind picking up again tomorrow morning.
Posted by: Hereward | Nov 22 2022 21:00 utc | 47

With mobile polar highs expected to settle and becalm well south of the arctic circle this winter, tonight's warning-then-retraction was a nudge to consumers to stock up on LEDs, batteries, candles and blankets. The prayer wheels will be stationary for days at a time, and may become ice covered...

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 52

I think that Russia must continue destruction of Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Otherwise Ukraine is going to win.

Posted by: margot | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 53

Posted by: Confused | Nov 22 2022 18:48 utc | 21

A Russian victory in Ukraine would be good for us for these reasons (and there may be more):

* Ukraine is a 'black site' that has been used by Western governments since 1991 to launder or cause to disappear money, people, intelligence, contraband (drugs, guns, etc). This is faciliated on the ground by 'oligarchs' (i.e. organised crime). Ukraine is an Augean stable and Putin is Herakles. nb. An 'oligarch', once a rather archaic word used only by students of Greek History, is one of a few who wield power through wealth. The USA, for example, would be classified by Aristotle as an oligarchy. The use of the word for 30 years to refer to the Eastern European uber-rich and used vaguely to imply illegitimacy is wonderful media misdirection—because if Buffet, Bezos and Musk aren't oligarchs then no one is.

* European sovereignty is not guaranteed by the USA. The USA is an occupying power whose European policy since 1942 (Atlantic Council) is to manipulate Europe's economy to enrich itself. Imperial wars are mostly about markets, this one is blatantly about markets, energy markets in particular. Cheap, long-term, stable energy supply from Russia would be the first stepping-stone toward dismantling NATO and evicting the USA from the Continent. That this would be good for Europe is being shown inversely by the disaster unfolding there now.

* There is only so long before an elephant in the room destroys all the furniture. This is a bad thing unless the constant disruption benefits you. We here all know that US foreign policy tactic 101 is to wreck the stability of its perceived opponents via regime change or CIA-funded insurgency. Ethiopia just learned all about it with Tigray. In Europe one elephant is the far right and the normalisation of Nazism in Ukraine. I could never have imagined in my lifetime (I'm in my early 50s) that the SS would ever be celebrated and emulated without condemnation. But it suits the US to mobilise angry dispossessed and disillusioned young men (wait till we see the Ukrainian Freikorps flood Europe after their defeat) to disrupt a non-compliant Europe. In this sense Macron and Scholtz would both have done well to see Putin as the best ally for European democratic stability. Denazification is a legitimate goal—but it really refers to the dismantling of the US' destabilisation apparatus. Purging this apparatus from the US' 'allies' is an important step.

* Russia is a European country. It is also a very successful model of integration and multi-cultural power-sharing. Russia is not a threat to Europe but the key to creating a Eurasian super trade zone linking Paris and Hamburg to Beijing and beyond. This future for Eurasia is the opposite of the one intended for it by UK/US who would balkanise and pillage its resources for a western share-holding elite—in other words, a New Conquista, with Eurasia as a New World 2.0. Eurasia deserves better.

* A Russian victory will add to the confinement of US hegemony to what it can control on the sea. Not so great for we here in Australia, but it suits a linked and integrated Eurasia just fine. Europe would be better off dumping its Atlanticist shills and corrupt elite and letting the UK and US squabble over the Carribean.

These are just a few reasons why a Russian victory must occur unless we want to see yet another rapacious phase of bandit capitalism destroy the lives and countries of millions like a plague of locusts.

As a historian, I'm not holding my breath and I'm doomed like the Angel of History to watch it unfold; but as Walter Benjamin said we historians are duty-bound to 'brush history against the grain' and tell it like it is.

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2022 21:17 utc | 54

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 20:25 utc | 37

Five years ago the UK closed the underground gas storage at Rough, in Yorkshire.

It is ever the same. Driving without a spare wheel.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 22 2022 21:30 utc | 55

Posted by: margot | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 53

I think that Russia must continue destruction of Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Otherwise Ukraine is going to win.

Right. Because laying waste to its own near-abroad is obviously a winning strategy against a remote adversary.

Apologies for the snark, but these calls for blood make very little sense. Consider that a senescent empire worried about losing its competitive advantage in the face of global realignment and the emergence of natural alliances, may in fact be looking for ways to wreak the most havoc it can anyplace it perceives as a present or future competitor.

I'm pretty sure the Great Game is zero sum.

Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 21:37 utc | 56

Five years ago the UK closed the underground gas storage at Rough, in Yorkshire.
It is ever the same. Driving without a spare wheel.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 22 2022 21:30 utc | 55

They're trying to get Rough reopened ASAP. Unlikely to reach a big capacity though. Well written article on why that is >

https://watt-logic.com/2022/08/08/re-opening-rough-gas-storage/

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 21:48 utc | 57

I remember reading at the start of the SMO that Russians were told to stay on the roads and avoid the farm fields in deference to protecting their soil and winter wheat crops.
I also remember reading about some very irate farmers in the Netherlands (IIRC) whose fields had been destroyed by NATO tanks in one of the NATO war games.

It's all fun and games until someone loses their crops.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 22 2022 21:53 utc | 58

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2022 21:17 utc | 54

Good post. Thanks for the thoughts.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 22 2022 21:56 utc | 59

You have to laugh 'crumb maiden' Scholtz's latest nonsense.

Apparently the economic crisis in Europe has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine and the knock on effect of Covid-19. He now claims it is because of the economic rise of Asia = China.

What a good boy he is - he's even a puppet that does not need strings, he performs tricks before his masters even have to pull the strings.

It's simple. When in doubt just blame Russia or China these days, it's that easy, only two answers. And I wonder what country in the world just loves to target both.

Posted by: George | Nov 22 2022 22:51 utc | 60

Ukrainians are reporting some pull backs in zaporihzne region. If Russia has some wonder weapons they should pull them out now. Every would be warlord in Russia is being prepped to grab a little kingdom. All they have to do is bend the knee to the rules based order. Plenty will calculate its better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.

I'm guessing they'll play it as withdrawing from the nuke plant to save it from the Ukrainian shelling.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 22 2022 23:29 utc | 61

Once again my replies are disappearing.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 22 2022 23:43 utc | 62

Let's try this for the third time, with a link removed:

Apparently the Polandistan S 300 false flag scapegoat has been selected. An AP propagandist, sorry, "reporter", called James LaPorta, was allegedly fired from his job. Look for him to be quietly given one in the CIA's online sock puppet misinformation service.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 22 2022 23:44 utc | 63

buffalolips | Nov 22 2022 20:45 utc | 44

The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP)" Factually, it took only one hour for the UN and Western/European governments to collectively determine the origin and flight path of the missile(s) that struck Poland. But the UN now claims they (the collective West) can't track the missiles coming into Zaporozhye. Who's buyin' this?! Any deployed air defense system or satellite recon image can observe and document the inbound flight paths. Obviously, they don't want to reveal the truth because it would likely reveal to the public that Western MRLSs provided to Ukraine are firing those missiles.

The time difference is really quite simple. Both Przewodów and Zaporozhia subscribe to Eastern European Standard Time, but Zaporozhia is a little more than 1000 km west of Przewodów. This results in at least a 14 hour delay between the UN being aware of events that happen in Przewodów versus events that happen in Zaporozhia. Sometimes longer, much longer.
To an outsider it may seem unusual, but to a Ukrainian it is well understood phenomena.

Posted by: Dani | Nov 23 2022 0:11 utc | 64

If there is a policy on this site that comments linking to certain sites will be removed, why isn't it stated clearly?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 23 2022 0:15 utc | 65

Biswapriya Purkayast @65--

There's no such policy. Some websites URLs block the posting of comments on some occasions and on other's they don't. There's no pattern discernable that I can tell. Thus, since RT URLs almost always block comments, I refrain from trying anymore but include the fact that RT was the source and usually provide the headline making it easier for another to find. Type Pad seems to have mostly recovered from the flaws related to the attack it suffered two or so weeks ago. I your case, I'd copy the entire comment, preview it, then select post. If it doesn't readily appear, repaste your info and comment and try one more time. If it fails again, remove the URL, state that you did so and try once again. Hopefully, your comment will only have one URL and it will appear. Trying to discern which of multiple URLs are causing your comment to be blocked is a big pain.

I hope you can use some of this advice.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 23 2022 0:35 utc | 66

@buffalolip (@14)
Yes, well questioned - who really can scan that daily rocket-fly against ZNNP?
Wonder everyone do not, but believes doubt facts. MSM don'nt knows about.
Guys, present that flight radar tracks, asap !

Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 0:45 utc | 67

Put this post in the U.S. MSM whores have no self-respect file (aka propaganda)

CNN eagerly spread a story about a 'leaked' Russian radio intercept about a Russian soldier crying about how Ukraine is destroying his unit and killing his comrades and how this was an unnecessay war. As they did this story, they showed a huge line of coffins being buried. But >b>the coffins were draped with Ukrainian flags. OOPS

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 23 2022 0:46 utc | 68

"Sherman was right: War is Hell...Hybrid War is Heller."
LightYearsFromHome@34
I was making a cheap joke at Robin's expense. Were you referring to Catch 22?

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 1:03 utc | 69

@buffalolips (@44)
"... it would likely reveal to the public that Western MRLSs provided to Ukraine are firing those missiles."

Who's tracking those rocket-fly towards ZNNP ? Currently day-by-day?
Guys - who could beside Pentagon & Co's, present that flight radar tracks, pls. asap !

Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 1:07 utc | 70

@LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13

Put your stake on the "just-in-time" principle of global dependency. And the holder of the bag you become. The rest is in futures.

Don't render brother Nathanael an anti-semite, even if he comes from Askenaz bloodline.

Death of the Jewish Pencil

Posted by: Anne B | Nov 23 2022 1:32 utc | 71

bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:04 utc | 24
millions dead from pakistan to libya from video game warfare.

but from the money in the US, the whole thing might as well be a video game. as long as it stays in Eurasia. what are the consequences to people basically watching this on TV in the US and deciding to sanction this and bomb that and flood the zone here and deport there, build a base, raze a town, float some fake currency, legitimize one election, destabilize another, immunize one butcher, ignore a virus killing millions, etc.? same risk as from playing the stock market, i.e., none at all, with enough money.

is the life span of the average american shrinking geometrically? is our death rate accelerating? well, it shouldn't be that hard to predict the national collapse then, should it? two weeks after the UK would be a pretty good guess.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 23 2022 2:02 utc | 72

Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 22 2022 19:06 utc | 25

One of the best comments I've ever read.

Posted by: Lemming | Nov 23 2022 2:23 utc | 73

@ LightYearsFromHome, anon2020 and others who have discussed this recently in several Ukraine threads.

Re: electricity/gas shortages in the UK.

During the miners' strikes of the early 1970s, when most of the UK's electricity was produced by coal-burning power stations, the regional Electricity Boards and the Government discussed the situation. The Electricity Boards told the Government that there would be no issues in maintaining adequate supplies of electricity. The Government told the People that, due to the strikes, there would not be enough electricity and it would need to be rationed. It brought in the 'Three-Day Week', all but shutting down the country at the coldest time of the year.

I imagine that the UK - or any other - Government would have no difficulty (either practically or morally) in doing so again. For months the People have been told that supply will run out, and they will believe it again. Even those vehemently against them are already signing up to Smart Meters because Albert Einstein says it will save them money on their artificially-inflated bills (for those unaware, Brits are obssessed with paying as little as possible for absolutely everything, and are thus easily reeled in by such promises). The Government is doing its bit to help though, giving extra money to the People to the Gas/Electricity companies. Coincidentally, they've been thinking about Smart Meters since the 1970s.

They're not quite as inept at forward planning as they'd have us believe.

Posted by: hep | Nov 23 2022 2:44 utc | 74

"Ukrainians are reporting some pull backs in zaporihzne region.....I'm guessing they'll play it as withdrawing from the nuke plant to save it from the Ukrainian shelling."
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 22 2022 23:29 utc | 61

So, when Russia rains holy hell down on Western Ukraine and grinds Kiev into the dust. I feel secure in predicting that you will be at the front of the line of those screaming war crimes by Russian barbarians.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 2:55 utc | 75

Who's tracking those rocket-fly towards ZNNP ? Currently day-by-day?
Guys - who could beside Pentagon & Co's, present that flight radar tracks, pls. asap !
Posted by: SpareTruth | Nov 23 2022 1:07 utc | 70

I would bet that Russia could and will someday before a world body either in defense of its activities or as an explanation of its behavior; depending on who is the final victor in the Russo / US proxy war.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:10 utc | 76

As for "Russian barbarians" - be careful to say so!
Look at some live-video footages even published by AFU, where 11 RU-Men had being shot dead their brain, bloody at ground laying.
Once more: Who's tracking the day-by-day ongoing shelling of ZNPP?
IAEA - or from what?
Are they (IAEA) crazy stick to .. sleeping in order for what else may happen?
Wait for the cloud driven by Eastern winds .. some near days .. will exceed the cloud of 1986 (Tschernobyl) by far - Sure.

Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 3:15 utc | 77

Thierry Meyssan believes that the US is secretly negotiating with Russia. It is an interesting article. He begins by explaining the SMO designation.


"...The question of the responsibility to protect should have been nuanced. This principle does not allow for a war, but for a police operation, conducted with military means. That is why the Kremlin is careful not to refer to this conflict as a "war", but as a "special military operation". Both terms refer to the same facts, but "special military operation" limits the conflict. As soon as his troops entered Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin made it clear that he did not intend to annex this territory, but only to liberate the people persecuted by the Ukrainian "Nazis". In a previous long article, I pointed out that, if the expression "Nazis" is correct in the historical sense, it does not correspond to the way these people call themselves. They use the expression: "integral nationalists". Let’s remember that Ukraine is the only state in the world with an explicitly racist constitution..."
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218426.html

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78

"..For months the People have been told that supply will run out, and they will believe it again..."
hep@74

Bear in mind that the government in question called an election on the matter. And lost it.
The people are not quite as daft as is thought by those who feel themselves superior.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:48 utc | 79

@ Ed Nelson 76

The head of the snake is USUKIS. On the day that the nuclear reactor is blown up by USUKIS proxies, Russia and China will have taken supremacy in world politics, because it will be obvious to everybody that USUKIS is mentally unstable and psychotic.

That day appears to be getting closer. On that day the world will simultaneously and voluntarily abolish allegiance to the UN and USUKIS.

Why did we wait so long to kick them off this planet.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 3:51 utc | 80

Once more: Who's tracking the day-by-day ongoing shelling of ZNPP?
IAEA - or from what? @ #77.
Once again, and=d for the last time, both the US and Russia are tracking these missiles, just as the US was tracking the Ukrainian S-300 that entered Poland. The Skies over Ukraine are being are being watched by the US / NATO and Russia. Russia will present its case when the time is right, but it will not give away it operational secrets while in the heat of a serious war with the US and NATO.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:54 utc | 81

@81 Ed Nelson
Okay - understand, respect that. So we'll probably waiting on the cloud that is coming next days from ZNPP ..
Good luck so while .. Or not?

Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 4:01 utc | 82

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78

Bevin, I wonder if that story is still the same. I am not saying that he was/is wrong, but that it seems to me the situation is fluid and that what Russia originally intended with the SMO has been/must be/will be changed because of changing circumstances.

I feel quite sure that when the SMO started, Russia's stated intention was just as you suggest. An SMO to protect the Donetsk and Luhansk and also Crimea. The short sharp operation would have pressured Kiev into negotiations which would have resulted in two independent states, two provinces within Ukraine with semi autonomous status (Kherson and Zaporizhia), security for Crimea and a neutral Ukraine. The suspected full frontal attack on Crimea coming from Mariupol would be averted and any move towards Ukraine getting nuclear weapons quashed.

I am not so sure that that is still the intention of Russia. The failure of Ukraine to negotiate, the influx of foreign fighters, the sheer barbarity of the Ukrainian forces, the imbecilic aggression against the Crimean bridge and the pipelines, the deliberate shelling of the NPP, the stubborn behaviour of Germany and the deliberate undermining of dams, has I think changed the equation. Add to this that the Ukrainian resistance has been much tougher than expected. All this means is that Russia now has little choice but to thoroughly degrade Ukraine, to prevent a monster regrowing on its borders. It is I think a hideous outcome and I have now very reluctantly and with great sadness shifted to the Russia needs to do shock and awe view. I now think the kindest way forward is destruction of basic infrastructure, forcing capitulation. There are lots of negatives in this approach I know, but the risk of a long slow war of attrition emerges if you do not.

With luck all provinces East of the Dnieper including Kiev will rejoin Russia. With a very tight border the risk of sabotage would be reduced, although i think it will need a border tighter than the Berlin wall. Russia could advise the Lvov regime, that there would be no further movement of troops, provided no NATO or other hostile forces were placed within range of attacking Russia.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 23 2022 4:22 utc | 83

For 20 years asca Muslim revert/convert I have been subjected to spying by the Muslim diaspora in Britain. This is not by one nationality, but from the anti-libertarian mindset of South Asians, Kurdish, Arab Muslim Brotherhood and Chinese Malaysians.

What is the purpose of spying? Only to find some intrinsic fault in my Britishness. But of course I have my entire culture and upbringing from the culture I was brought up with. Just as they are all demonstrably products of their own particular cultures and upbringings - all different.

Russian culture has a particular quality of restraint, while the post-impetial cultures are impulsive and punitive. That is, I believe, because Russia has tried to reform itself twice in the last 100 years, first to Communism and now to something else.

But Russia can see that every fallen empire wants an empire 2, rather than reform itself . When I was a child we knew our society had to change, to treat other countries with respect and to abolish class prejudice. The next generation turned back to re- instating the old ways with a vengeance.

It ain't working. We are being given the lesson again, that our arrogance which destroyed our empire, will destroy us again, and again, until we take the lessons of two catastrophic world wars .

I don't support Russia because I like Russian culture, but because Russia is open-minded ,trying to find a better
way forward, trying not to repeat old mistakes.

The civilisation I was brought up in, the West, and the civilisation I have moved into, the Muslim space, seem both to be equally fossilised and backward-looking, intolerant and brain-dead.

Russia is exercising tremendous patience on many military and non-military fronts.
I admire that patience.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 4:27 utc | 84

Biswapriya Purkayast #65

There are goblins that eat all my posts with a link to anti-spiegel.ru. No one else seems to have that problem afaik.

So no, there is no policy but please be kind enough to offer us a simple work around and those interested will go there. I keep posting stuff from anti-spiegel.ru and have no expectation that should I format it as a link it would ever arrive.

Perversity rules NOT bias.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2022 4:36 utc | 85

@ bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78

thanks for the meyysan article... this in turn is going to be a reply to watcher..

@ watcher | Nov 23 2022 4:22 utc | 83

i think using the term smo makes sense from a few angles.. the problem is the west under usa/cia leadership is quite content to destroy as much as possible in an attempt to drag russia down.. i don't want to see shock and awe, but i suspect the funding will continue for war in ukraine from the west.. the type of shock and awe would be russia punching the bully in the face.. hopefully it doesn't have to include a lot of murder and mayhem.. that isn't russias style, but it is easy to project the usa's style when that is mostly all we have seen the past 70 odd years.. the term shock and awe is very american... i just don't see russia adopting a similar approach.. the smo and approach to date indicates the opposite and yet the bully needs a punch square in the face...

@ Giyane | Nov 23 2022 4:27 utc | 84

last line in your post - i too admire that.. it is the opposite of how i view the west at this point.. i am ashamed to say i live in canada too which is very much a puppet to the usa and incapable of independent thinking, or creating a degree of separation to its neighbour to the south..

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2022 4:38 utc | 86

@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1

Which doesn't really matter because Europe is irrelevant for the future. Europe could be nuked to ash tomorrow and nobody else would really even notice a difference, except that the rest of the world would have become a slightly nicer place to live with fewer drunken obnoxious sex predator European tourists.

Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:41 utc | 87

@N | 35

Look at the photo third from the bottom. https://archive.ph/R4Mji

The insignia with a skull sporting what looks like a Wehrmacht wool field cap is unidentifiable. But the one to the right, with a lion and three crowns in the corners is most certainly that of The 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galicia" (1943–1945).

wiki link

Posted by: Nomad | Nov 23 2022 4:47 utc | 88

Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:41 utc | 87

with fewer drunken obnoxious sex predator European tourists.

The Pattaya beaches would be a damn sight more wholesome without these indeed.

By all means, "pull it".

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 23 2022 4:48 utc | 89

@Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 4:27 utc | 84

"What is the purpose of spying? Only to find some intrinsic fault in my Britishness"

Not difficult to find. Britishness is itself an intrinsic fault.

"But of course I have my entire culture and upbringing from the culture I was brought up with."

Which is, of course, incompatible with Islam. So, these people were correct to distrust you and spy on you, given that you openly admit to essentially acting as a Trojan horse within Islam to smuggle in your garbage British "culture."

Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:50 utc | 90

◾This is how "filtering" takes place in Kherson. Neighbors point Ukrainian security forces to "supporters of the Russian world."

◾After last week's foorltage of reprisals and abuses against the civilian population, I can say repression is just increasing.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21747

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:51 utc | 91

🇷🇺The situation on the oil market in the world is expected to worsen before the entry into force of sanctions and bans on the purchase of Russian oil in Europe. According to Bloomberg, Russian oil supplies to Northern Europe have already fallen by more than 90% compared to the beginning of February 2022, from 1.2 million barrels per day to 95 thousand. In fact, we are talking about the completion of this process.

For Russia, this is an unpleasant but uncritical process, as India and China buy Russian oil, albeit at a significant discount. US pressure on these countries and the demand to abandon Russian oil is unlikely to be successful. This will mean that India and China are also losing their sovereignty, and they are not ready for this.

However, these partners will use pressure from the US and other Western countries to negotiate better terms for themselves. Very serious drawdowns are expected in the oil and gas sector, but this issue is not the main one for Russia. Now the task is to successfully complete the NWO, push through the West and force it to respect the sovereignty of Russia. Therefore, full-fledged trade and economic cooperation with Western countries in the coming years is seen as unlikely.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21754

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:53 utc | 92

Kupyansk must be taken: an offensive in the Kharkov region is the only way to defend Belgorod

The Ukrainians are now on a roll. They are ready to push forward, without regard for any losses. The command of the AFU must use this morale boost before it sleeps under the weight of the situation in the rear. What could give even more momentum to the Ukrainians? An offensive on Crimea? That's an enormous task, unaffordable for the AFU. An offensive on the DNR or LNR? Unlikely. Achieving even short-term, but media-significant successes here will not be possible.

What are the alternatives? The most immediate option is to seize a part of the Belgorod region. Shebekino is already under constant bombardment. How would Russian and Ukrainian society react if the Kiev regime were to stage a successful raid on the same Shebekino or Valuiki, where a significant number of mobilized men are now training?

This is no longer the "liberation of their territories." This is the "seizure of the land of the aggressor country." Transferring the war to enemy territory. Such success may well calm the Ukrainian rear for another couple of hard winter months. "Victory is near! We just have to endure a little without light and heat until Belgorod falls and Putin crawls on his knees to beg for peace from the proud Ukrainians!"

How can one parry such a blow? It is impossible to build up a solid front line. And detecting a small group of AFU terrorists (we're talking more about something similar to Raduyev and Basayev's raids during the Chechen war) will not be easy.

The only solution is to move the front line further away from the border of the Belgorod region. It's not the Ukrainian mortars that should be standing at the borders of Belgorod, but ours around Kharkov! Yes, there are no forces now to mop up the entire Kharkiv region from the AFU. But we can push the enemy behind the Volchansk-Kupyansk line.

Either we will push the enemy away from our cities, or this nightmare will never end for the people of Belgorod. Counting on the Banderites to attack only military targets is the height of naivety and infantilism. We are at war with a terrorist regime, and we must act as harshly as possible against it.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21755

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:55 utc | 93

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 22 Nov 2022⚡️

#Crimea:

▪️ Russian air defence systems shot down two Ukrainian UAVs as they approached the #Balaklava TPP, as well as three more drones over the Black Sea.

#Belgorod Region:

▪️ Ukrainian militants shelled the town of #Shebekino and damaged residential buildings. One woman was killed.

▪️ Enemy militants hit the veterans' hospital in the village of Novaya Tavolzhanka. The shells damaged the facade of the building and the gas pipeline. There were no deaths or injuries.

▪️ An elderly couple was blown up by ammunition in the village of #Staroselye.

#Starobelsk Direction:

▪️ In the #Svatovo sector, assault units of the AFU's 92 Mechanized Brigade attacked Russian positions at #Kuzemovka. Russian troops detected the enemy and launched a preemptive strike, forcing the militants to retreat to their original lines.

▪️ In #Stelmakhovka, Russian artillery hit the 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade, which was reinforced by foreign mercenaries. Several pieces of equipment were destroyed.

#Soledar Direction:

▪️ The situation on the front has not changed significantly. . There are clashes in #Opytnoye and on the southeastern outskirts of #Bakhmut.

#Donetsk Direction:

▪️ The Russian motorized rifle units continue to engage in fierce fighting with the enemy in the centre of #Maryinka. Russian missile forces and artillery have struck concentrations of enemy armoured vehicles and personnel on the western outskirts of the town.

▪️ Ukrainian militants again shelled populated areas of the #Donetsk agglomeration. Residential buildings and civilian infrastructure in #Donetsk, #Makeyevka, #Mineralnoye, #Yasynuvata, #Zaitsevo and #Kashtanovoye were hit.

#Southdonetsk Direction:

▪️ AFU units made several counterattack attempts against Russian positions in #Pavlovka. The advancing enemy groups were detected by a UAV crews. Russian artillery struck the militants and they withdrew to their initial positions with losses.

#Zaporozhye Direction:

▪️ The AFU command continues to move reserves and armoured vehicles to the line of contact and prepares an offensive along the entire front.

▪️ Along the line of contact, artillery duels continue as Russian forces hit 65th Mechanized Brigade's concentrations in #Gulyaypole, #Zaliznichnoye and #Orekhov.

#Kherson Direction on Southern Front (MAP):

▪️ SBU and national police officers are conducting filtration activities in #Kherson, checking all buildings in the city in search of Russian forces' personnel and pro-Russian citizens.

▪️ Ukrainian militants of the 9th Composite Battalion of the Territorial Defence struck the village of #Kairy using a copter with a grenade-dropping system.

▪️ A reconnaissance team from the centre of the 73rd Forces of Special Operations conducted patrols in small boats off the #Dnipro estuary coast.

▪️ Russian forces hit enemy targets in #Kherson and targeted concentrations of AFU personnel and armoured vehicles in #Muzykovka, #Sadovoye and #Tokarevka.


https://t.me/sitreports/1132

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:58 utc | 94

🇨🇿The Czech Republic is gearing up for war with Russia - Chief of the General Staff Karel Rzeka.

“The war in Ukraine is a big wake-up call to the entire society. The potential for war escalation in Ukraine continues to grow. Even the most serious scenarios cannot be ruled out.”


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21783

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 5:00 utc | 95

Justin Banse
Justin’s account of the casualties inflicted on his unit corroborates the daily briefings by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Some Western analysts have insisted that the Russians are lying or exaggerating. Based on Justin’s emotional recounting of his experience, it would appear the Russian MOD is understating the casualties inflicted on Ukrainian units.

I think the war in Ukraine is entering a new phase. Russia has reinforced troops on the front and supplied them with additional fire power. At some point before the end of the year I anticipate that Russia will launch a massive counter offensive. No matter how tenaciously and bravely the Ukrainian troops fight, they are at a disadvantage. They have limited supplies of artillery shells, reduced armor and no air support. While not impossible, it is unlikely that they will be able to stop a full blown Russian attack across a broad front.

Compounding the dilemma of the Ukrainian troops is the growing difficulty to resupply their front line fighters with ammunition, weapons, food and vehicles. Russia’s strategy of crippling the electrical power grid of Ukraine is working and this, in turn, is making it more difficult to keep open the lines of communication.

I hope you take the time to watch this video. While it is the story of just one soldier caught in hell, I believe it is representative of what Ukrainian soldiers are experiencing in their battles with Russia.


https://sonar21.com/ukraines-military-death-throes/

Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 5:07 utc | 96

@bevin | 78

I was reading that the Ukrainian "Integral Nationalists" were so smug they could not possibly lower themselves to call their movement Fascist or National Socialist, and that is despite their profound admiration of Hitler and Mussolini. So in a bid to appear original and special, they coined the term "integral nationalism," the program of which was the establishment of a strictly racist totalitarian state.

It's all in this book "Stepan Bandera: The Life and Afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist: Fascism, Genocide, and Cult" by Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe . The best scholarly piece on the subject so far.

Posted by: Nomad | Nov 23 2022 5:20 utc | 97

NATO’s Parliamentary Assembly has adopted a largely symbolic resolution calling on members of the bloc to label Russia a “terrorist” state (RT).

The Nazis in Europe during WW2 liked to call anyone who resisted their NAZI Rules Based International Order, terrorist. History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 5:23 utc | 98

What's crazy and no one is talking about is the commando camps in the Caucuses and the plans that the U.S. has to use the Coast Guard to buzz Sokhumi. There's a whole wave of chaos in store for Russia if it can't reinforce her transcaucus borders, and she can't.


Posted by: GoFast | Nov 23 2022 5:40 utc | 99

@ GoFast | Nov 23 2022 5:40 utc | 99

You are a very poorly coded Bot. Bot go away, please go away, do not come back on any other day.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 23 2022 6:01 utc | 100

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