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November 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-206
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Odnamrod Meditation #5 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1 RT headline today: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 2 The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP), a spokesman for the secretary-general said on Monday. Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3 Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:15 utc | 4 @circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3
The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5 Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1 Masks off, indeed. I volunteer to add: Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6 “Ignore this war and it’s conclusion: The darkness settling over the continent will last decades, perhaps centuries …”. Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7 Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:52 utc | 8 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5 Posted by: tPaine | Nov 22 2022 17:54 utc | 9
Perhaps the job is better suited to the OSCE. Unless they repeat what they did in Donbass, providing intel to the Ukrainians. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 22 2022 17:54 utc | 10 @OttoE | Nov 22 2022 17:39 utc | 6
To my knowledge, such people do not exist, even if Von der Crazy would like it to be so. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 11 Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 12 The UK’s National Grid has issued a warning to homes to be ready for “power issues” as temps drop tonight. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13 Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7 Posted by: Drifter | Nov 22 2022 17:56 utc | 14 UN and basically every other international organization should be moved out of Washington DC and Brussels. Posted by: Salamander Sasquatch | Nov 22 2022 18:09 utc | 15 Drifter @14– The UN main office must be moved from the US, or the UN will die. Move it to some small country, e.g. Luang Prabang in Laos. Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 22 2022 18:13 utc | 17 It’s weird anyone talking about “liberal democracy” after 2 years of incipient fascism as demonstrated by the brutal curtailing of rights and freedoms for the sniffles but down right ridiculous to include Ukraine in that club.All opposition parties banned,all opposition media outlets shut down,opposition politicians imprisoned or murdered. Posted by: Antipropo | Nov 22 2022 18:21 utc | 18 @Antipropo Posted by: Featherless | Nov 22 2022 18:29 utc | 19 … but it’s the first few cold days and the systems in tilt already???
The following Beeb article highlights potential gas shortage … but UK doesn’t get gas via Ukraine and isn’t UK gas supply under stable contract prices?
I would very much like to hear from anyone who knows the specifics of how the UK might face a gas shortage … unless it’s a cover for transferring gas to EU under the counter. Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 22 2022 18:46 utc | 20 “Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on “satanism” aka liberal democracy. Its a shame, but they chose it freely and by blood. Now they can say hello to their new masters China. Posted by: Confused | Nov 22 2022 18:48 utc | 21 Posted by: Fnord73 | Nov 22 2022 17:46 utc | 7 Posted by: Macpott | Nov 22 2022 18:58 utc | 22 I have no comment on OohCanada@314 ‘Anti-Jewish Internet Switch’, but Israel’s curious position re: Ukriane warrants examining in relation to my earlier post on AZOV/ADIAR et al acting independently, outside the Ukraine chain-of-command (‘going rogue’ which I repeatedly misspelled ‘rouge’ – sorry).
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So the bar keeps getting moved a little lower towards Israel directly supplying weapons to Ukraine. Then, yesterday: Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 22 2022 19:02 utc | 23 “…Well, Russia just chose to leave the european sphere with its war on “satanism” aka liberal democracy. Its a shame, but they chose it freely and by blood. Now they can say hello to their new masters China…” Fnord73@7 Posted by: bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:04 utc | 24 I have no comment on OohCanada@314 ‘Anti-Jewish Internet Switch’ from the other thread, but Israel’s curious position regarding Ukraine warrants examining in relation to my earlier post on AZOV/ADIAR et al acting independently, outside the Ukraine chain-of-command (‘going rogue’ which I repeatedly misspelled ‘rouge’ – sorry).
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So the bar keeps getting moved a little lower towards Israel directly supplying weapons to Ukraine. Then, yesterday: One of the Ukrainians who took part in the execution of the Russian POWS at Makeevka has been reported killed …near Makeevka: Posted by: Mummer | Nov 22 2022 19:23 utc | 26 To @circumspect: Do not expect any objectivity from the OSCE. There was a venue recently in Poland under their auspices, it was called “Decolonizing Russia”. It was about fragmenting it to destroy the grip of the Kremlin autocrats, so the parts would be opened up to Western asset stripping, to colonization in one word. The OSCE lends its platform to such venues, that tells a lot about them and their orwellian newspeak about “decolonization”. See: https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/press-releases/decolonization-russia-be-discussed-upcoming Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 22 2022 19:25 utc | 27 Presaging what Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations will look like: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 22 2022 19:27 utc | 28 anon2020 @ 20
It’s almost like they are pulling in a fish. Reel in some, relax and give it some line, draw it back in, give it some more line… when it’s tired out you own it. Yeh, I’d say FUD psyops. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 19:30 utc | 29 Posted by: circumspect | Nov 22 2022 17:08 utc | 3
In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb. Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 19:34 utc | 30 Move the un and other orgs… I’m inclined to think the Russian leadership will bet on a double-pronged winter offensive: (1) disable the Ukr power grid, and, (2) Throw the new reinforcements into a major campaign. Posted by: GoFast | Nov 22 2022 19:42 utc | 32 “..It’s pretty painful to watch the Russians get blasted out of the water in this narrative duck hunt.” Posted by: bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:48 utc | 33 robin @ 30
Maybe a Kalibr in the parking lot of Rivne NPP might make them more observant? Good thing I’m not running this war.
Hybrid War is Heller. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 19:56 utc | 34 Looks like the NYT forgot to check their photos to make sure the neo-Nazis they are promoting remembered to take off their Nazi insignia before they got into any photographs. Posted by: N | Nov 22 2022 19:56 utc | 35 N @ 35
I assume you are being sarcastic? They haven’t forgotten anything and neither have any of the other msm showing this stuff. It’s the slow, systematic normalization of Nazism. Been in the works since 1945. When a rat dies the fleas don’t die, they move to a new rat. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 20:09 utc | 36 I would very much like to hear from anyone who knows the specifics of how the UK might face a gas shortage … unless it’s a cover for transferring gas to EU under the counter. Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 20:25 utc | 37 cant take the buggers anywhere without causing trouble. 3 ukrainians arrested in Doha after graffiti hitler moustaches and writing sieg heil on the mascot posters. Posted by: hankster | Nov 22 2022 20:27 utc | 38 The case of three russian 6th columnists, all hiding away from war (one a fraudulent bookseller, with a guru syndrome, living in the US shithole among degenerate hippies of the west coast) Posted by: Kareem | Nov 22 2022 20:28 utc | 39 #30 Robin Posted by: Orchard1 | Nov 22 2022 20:32 utc | 40 When all is said and done, isn’t it remarkable that the Russians still don’t hate the Germans, the French, The Brits, The North-Americans? Even that part of the Russian population that clamours for stronger military engagement does not display such visceral hate as our western media do. Well, violence, hate and cruelty have always been human traits, but surely it are the NATO countries who excel in them (let’s add Ukraine, as a would-be NATO country). Posted by: Anthony | Nov 22 2022 20:33 utc | 41 In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 22 2022 20:33 utc | 42
The main UN Building ended up in New York because the Rockefellers donated the land and the US was the biggest funder then and ever since. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 22 2022 20:44 utc | 43 “The UN doesn’t have the capability to identify those behind the attacks on the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant (ZNPP)” Factually, it took only one hour for the UN and Western/European governments to collectively determine the origin and flight path of the missile(s) that struck Poland. But the UN now claims they (the collective West) can’t track the missiles coming into Zaporozhye. Who’s buyin’ this?! Any deployed air defense system or satellite recon image can observe and document the inbound flight paths. Obviously, they don’t want to reveal the truth because it would likely reveal to the public that Western MRLSs provided to Ukraine are firing those missiles. Posted by: buffalolips | Nov 22 2022 20:45 utc | 44 Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 22 2022 20:57 utc | 45 Big Serge Preview: Posted by: morongobill | Nov 22 2022 21:00 utc | 46 anon2020 @ 20
Duh Posted by: Hereward | Nov 22 2022 21:00 utc | 47 When all is said and done, isn’t it remarkable that the Russians still don’t hate the Germans, the French, The Brits, The North-Americans? Posted by: Nobody | Nov 22 2022 21:01 utc | 48 @Norwegian | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 11 No such thing like an EU citizenship Posted by: OttoE | Nov 22 2022 21:06 utc | 49 “In my opinion, Russia is going to have to put a little extra effort here, because politely asking an overtly hostile organization to act in good faith is either very naive or really dumb.” Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 22 2022 21:08 utc | 50 So, Dima’s talking about a vid of a firefight near Spirne. Anyone know where he’s sourcing these? Posted by: Drinky Crow | Nov 22 2022 21:14 utc | 51 it’s a wind shortage. The turbine bird-choppers were producing ~12GW at midnight but only ~3GW by 18:00 this evening. It’s likely to be calm overnight with the wind picking up again tomorrow morning. Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 52 I think that Russia must continue destruction of Ukrainian energy infrastructure. Posted by: margot | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 53 Posted by: Confused | Nov 22 2022 18:48 utc | 21 Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2022 21:17 utc | 54 Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 20:25 utc | 37 Posted by: Passerby | Nov 22 2022 21:30 utc | 55 Posted by: margot | Nov 22 2022 21:16 utc | 53
Right. Because laying waste to its own near-abroad is obviously a winning strategy against a remote adversary. Posted by: robin | Nov 22 2022 21:37 utc | 56 Five years ago the UK closed the underground gas storage at Rough, in Yorkshire. Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 22 2022 21:48 utc | 57 I remember reading at the start of the SMO that Russians were told to stay on the roads and avoid the farm fields in deference to protecting their soil and winter wheat crops. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 22 2022 21:53 utc | 58 Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 22 2022 21:17 utc | 54 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 22 2022 21:56 utc | 59 You have to laugh ‘crumb maiden’ Scholtz’s latest nonsense. Posted by: George | Nov 22 2022 22:51 utc | 60 Ukrainians are reporting some pull backs in zaporihzne region. If Russia has some wonder weapons they should pull them out now. Every would be warlord in Russia is being prepped to grab a little kingdom. All they have to do is bend the knee to the rules based order. Plenty will calculate its better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 22 2022 23:29 utc | 61 Once again my replies are disappearing. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 22 2022 23:43 utc | 62 Let’s try this for the third time, with a link removed: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 22 2022 23:44 utc | 63 buffalolips | Nov 22 2022 20:45 utc | 44 If there is a policy on this site that comments linking to certain sites will be removed, why isn’t it stated clearly? Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 23 2022 0:15 utc | 65 Biswapriya Purkayast @65– @buffalolip (@14) Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 0:45 utc | 67 Put this post in the U.S. MSM whores have no self-respect file (aka propaganda) Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 23 2022 0:46 utc | 68 “Sherman was right: War is Hell…Hybrid War is Heller.” Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 1:03 utc | 69 @buffalolips (@44) Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 1:07 utc | 70 @LightYearsFromHome | Nov 22 2022 17:55 utc | 13 Posted by: Anne B | Nov 23 2022 1:32 utc | 71 bevin | Nov 22 2022 19:04 utc | 24 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 23 2022 2:02 utc | 72 Posted by: PavewayIV | Nov 22 2022 19:06 utc | 25 Posted by: Lemming | Nov 23 2022 2:23 utc | 73 @ LightYearsFromHome, anon2020 and others who have discussed this recently in several Ukraine threads. Posted by: hep | Nov 23 2022 2:44 utc | 74 “Ukrainians are reporting some pull backs in zaporihzne region…..I’m guessing they’ll play it as withdrawing from the nuke plant to save it from the Ukrainian shelling.” Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 2:55 utc | 75 Who’s tracking those rocket-fly towards ZNNP ? Currently day-by-day? Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:10 utc | 76 As for “Russian barbarians” – be careful to say so! Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 3:15 utc | 77 Thierry Meyssan believes that the US is secretly negotiating with Russia. It is an interesting article. He begins by explaining the SMO designation. Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78 “..For months the People have been told that supply will run out, and they will believe it again…” Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:48 utc | 79 @ Ed Nelson 76 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 3:51 utc | 80 Once more: Who’s tracking the day-by-day ongoing shelling of ZNPP? Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 3:54 utc | 81 @81 Ed Nelson Posted by: Spare_Truth | Nov 23 2022 4:01 utc | 82 Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78 Posted by: watcher | Nov 23 2022 4:22 utc | 83 For 20 years asca Muslim revert/convert I have been subjected to spying by the Muslim diaspora in Britain. This is not by one nationality, but from the anti-libertarian mindset of South Asians, Kurdish, Arab Muslim Brotherhood and Chinese Malaysians. Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 4:27 utc | 84 Biswapriya Purkayast #65 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 23 2022 4:36 utc | 85 @ bevin | Nov 23 2022 3:43 utc | 78 Posted by: james | Nov 23 2022 4:38 utc | 86 @Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2022 17:03 utc | 1 Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:41 utc | 87 @N | 35
The insignia with a skull sporting what looks like a Wehrmacht wool field cap is unidentifiable. But the one to the right, with a lion and three crowns in the corners is most certainly that of The 14th SS-Volunteer Division “Galicia” (1943–1945). Posted by: Nomad | Nov 23 2022 4:47 utc | 88 Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:41 utc | 87 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 23 2022 4:48 utc | 89 @Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2022 4:27 utc | 84 Posted by: FVK | Nov 23 2022 4:50 utc | 90
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21747 Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:51 utc | 91
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21754 Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:53 utc | 92
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21755 Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:55 utc | 93
Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 4:58 utc | 94
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/21783 Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 5:00 utc | 95
https://sonar21.com/ukraines-military-death-throes/ Posted by: Down South | Nov 23 2022 5:07 utc | 96 @bevin | 78 Posted by: Nomad | Nov 23 2022 5:20 utc | 97 NATO’s Parliamentary Assembly has adopted a largely symbolic resolution calling on members of the bloc to label Russia a “terrorist” state (RT). Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 23 2022 5:23 utc | 98 What’s crazy and no one is talking about is the commando camps in the Caucuses and the plans that the U.S. has to use the Coast Guard to buzz Sokhumi. There’s a whole wave of chaos in store for Russia if it can’t reinforce her transcaucus borders, and she can’t. Posted by: GoFast | Nov 23 2022 5:40 utc | 99 |
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