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November 19, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-202
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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The government telling citizens to move abroad for the winter to lessen the burden of electricity for the country. The west knows Ukraine is done now. You see multiple politicians in multiple countries trying to back away from and paint Zelensky in a bad light now. The gig is up. There’s no saving face, Russia made it clear there is nothing to discuss. The SMO will continue until all goals have been achieved. All while western Europe collapses at the same time. Everything the US touches turns to shit! Posted by: Watzov | Nov 19 2022 16:37 utc | 1 Captain obvious here- the longer the war goes on, the worse things will get for Ukraine and the collective west. Ukraine- the gift that keeps on giving. Posted by: ctiger | Nov 19 2022 16:42 utc | 2 From RT: Posted by: daniel_s | Nov 19 2022 16:43 utc | 3 Over 80% of evangelical Christians voted for Republicans during the midterm election. Majorie Taylor Greene is the most well known “proud Christian” in Congress and against US involvement in the Ukraine War. The Russian global media arm should try to communicate a message of solidarity with evangelical Christians. The Russian domestic media tells people the war is against satanism or Western cultural influences aimed at breaking up the nuclear Christian family. Evangelical Christians feel the same way about mainstream American culture persecuting them. I do think it’s a mistake to refer to it as satanism because the name is silly. It would be better to call it for what it is directly. Jewish academics and intellectuals are promoting the break up of the Christian nuclear family in the US and Europe to more easily control those societies. It’s a much more clear message to domestic and US audiences to declare Jewish power as the leading force behind the Ukraine War and cultural wars in the Western world. Most Jews will probably leave Russia before the end of the Ukraine War so criticism of Jewish power won’t drive a wedge within Russia. Posted by: seveneleven | Nov 19 2022 16:48 utc | 4 Ukraine, most likely, attacked gas pipeline in Russia: Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 16:51 utc | 5 @ daniel_s | Nov 19 2022 16:43 utc | 3 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 19 2022 16:52 utc | 6 The complacent arrogance of Russia and its fan boys is exactly why a sudden naval landing in Crimea might unravel the war. Or a strike that makes muscovites feel vulnerable. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 16:54 utc | 7 Naval landing in Crimea? On what, rafts? Posted by: siberiancat | Nov 19 2022 17:00 utc | 8 I believe that the point being made that the “west” (or US and minions) is running out of weapons is somewhat missing the point – the US has huge financial advantage and can pay for more weapons and in fact doing so will benefit important people greatly and others as well. This is where I take exception to commentary of Berletic and Mercouris and favor Ritter. Posted by: jared | Nov 19 2022 17:03 utc | 9
There you go literal complacent arrogance. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:04 utc | 10 @Neofeudalfuture – Actually made me laugh. What do you imagine would happen to this this fantastical armada of HATO ships? Hint – every last one of them would be sunk. Posted by: Librarian | Nov 19 2022 17:13 utc | 11 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:04 utc | 10 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 17:19 utc | 12 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:04 utc | 10 Posted by: Peter Williams | Nov 19 2022 17:20 utc | 13 I’m not sure how old this is. But it is very good, and M K Bhadrakumar makes much better reading than the paranoid fantasies of Zanon and neofeudalyawning. Posted by: bevin | Nov 19 2022 17:21 utc | 14 Nato will supply the ships and sailors to drop off Ukrainian cannon fodder onto the shore Posted by: mtw | Nov 19 2022 17:22 utc | 15 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:04 utc | 10 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2022 17:22 utc | 16 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 17:19 utc | 12 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 17:23 utc | 17 Hard to see how Sevastopol could be attacked by some surface naval fleet – the modified jetski drone swarm attack failed already. Posted by: moaobserver | Nov 19 2022 17:27 utc | 18 Ok, ok fine. Believe its impossible but that’s an error in thinking and is exactly why when the impossible happens people freeze up. You’ve gotta stay agile. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:29 utc | 19 Librarian@11…Russia has been complacent,sleepwalking through the first seven months of the SMO, politically made military mistakes. Politicians directing war policy, is Putin a better General than Zelinsky? Does the worst fighter in the world, battered, beaten but still standing at the bell of the 12th round lose? Crimea is a major red flag. This is Russia’s SMO to loose. It does seem, just my observation, that someone(s) Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 19 2022 17:32 utc | 20 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:29 utc | 19 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 17:38 utc | 21 @3 daniel_s – Well, Ukraine’s deputy defence minister, Garilov the garrulous, may be right about something,
I think the optimism part might be wrong, though. Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 19 2022 17:41 utc | 22 Lol If Crimea get seriously attacked it would for sure be after WW3 starts. And then we will most likely have way bigger things to worry about than the Peninsula of Crimea. Posted by: Comandante | Nov 19 2022 17:44 utc | 23 Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 19 2022 17:41 utc | 22 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2022 17:45 utc | 24 Comandante Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 17:52 utc | 25
Thanks for stooping by with your daily assessment. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 19 2022 18:08 utc | 26
That would mean a declaration of war by NATO. Which may happen at some point. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 19 2022 18:22 utc | 27 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 17:04 utc | 10 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 19 2022 18:22 utc | 28 Zanon Crimea is not in danger of being invaded. It never was. So what if they send drones/missiles once in a while along with terrorist attacks? Posted by: Comandante | Nov 19 2022 18:32 utc | 29 More trouble comes for the unprepared Russia next week, then G7 will work out the price cap on russian oil. And first week of december the oil ban of russian oil/gas will be implemented. EU have filled their stocks so they wont suffer but Russia will feel the heat once again. Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 18:37 utc | 30 Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 16:54 utc | 7 Posted by: Orbán's Butler | Nov 19 2022 18:37 utc | 31 Neven at Arctic Sea Ice Forum had a heavy hand deleting certain sorts of trolls. The text was deleted. Some of the shoulda, coulda and woulda fantasies above deserved no reply. Myself, off to Slavyangrad. Posted by: paxmark1 | Nov 19 2022 18:40 utc | 32 That price cap will bring Russia to it’s knees laughing. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Nov 19 2022 18:40 utc | 33 “More trouble comes for the unprepared Russia next week, then G7 will work out the price cap on russian oil” Posted by: Comandante | Nov 19 2022 18:42 utc | 34 seveneleven | Nov 19 2022 16:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Mummer | Nov 19 2022 18:43 utc | 35 Comandante Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 18:46 utc | 36 I believe that the point being made that the “west” (or US and minions) is running out of weapons is somewhat missing the point – the US has huge financial advantage and can pay for more weapons and in fact doing so will benefit important people greatly and others as well. This is where I take exception to commentary of Berletic and Mercouris and favor Ritter. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 19 2022 18:51 utc | 37 News Flash: Three Jamaican destroyers have arrived at Miami Beach, Florida, and have shot down 28 U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets. Miami itself is now under occupation by Jamaica Defence Force troops. (Developing) Posted by: blues | Nov 19 2022 18:53 utc | 38 I have it from reliable sources that the amphibious assault on Crimea will be using invulnerable American stealth technology: birch bark canoes. They are invisible to radar and except for the harm to the birch trees they are entirely environmentally friendly. I’m told they will be armed with tomahawks. Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 19 2022 18:58 utc | 39 The gig is up. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 19 2022 19:01 utc | 40 @ Opport Knocks | Nov 19 2022 18:08 utc | 26 Posted by: james | Nov 19 2022 19:01 utc | 41 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 16:54 utc | 7 Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 19 2022 19:08 utc | 42 Posted by: blues | Nov 19 2022 18:53 utc | 38 Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 19 2022 19:12 utc | 43 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 16:54 utc | 7 Posted by: Paul McGrory | Nov 19 2022 19:12 utc | 44 Any thoughts and comments about how Russia is in trouble in Crimea or Belgorod or even Leningrad are completely delusional and utterly ridiculous to reply to. This is troll 101. These dummies know their comments are stupid and crazy but they want to seem relevant and in the conversation lol. The point being that lately there has been decent strategy involving military assets in battle, the FSB is busy looking and finding these Ukie saboteurs and Russian traitors AND the Ukie electrical infrastructure is finally being decimated the way it should have been in the summer. Make no mistake, Russia is looking like it is actually fighting a war and not an SMO while making NO mistakes! Posted by: Safe | Nov 19 2022 19:15 utc | 45 An attack on Crimea seems unlikely to be successful if Russia has sufficiently armed and supplied the area – difficult to approach and likely to lead to escalation. Also read that Ukraine believes it can take Crimea by the end of December if a ‘black swan’ event occurs in Russia – guess that’s the sort of thinking in Ukraine right now (wish upon a star). Ukrainian leadership has proven to be reckless and willing to sacrifice its soldiers to achieve any news that can quickly go viral even if they are pyrrhic victories or shortlived advances. Posted by: Objective Observer | Nov 19 2022 19:15 utc | 46 I do think it’s a mistake to refer to it as satanism because the name is silly. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 19 2022 19:15 utc | 47 A naval landing in Crimea won’t work without practice. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 19 2022 19:15 utc | 48 @ Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 19 2022 18:51 utc | 37 Reading through some the comments on tonight’s Ukraine Open Thread, hilariously produced by the likes of NeoFeudalFuture et.al. it’s hard to avoid the impression one has mistakenly stumbled into some kind of a Monty Python version of MoA, a satirical persiflage at best. Posted by: GreyRaven | Nov 19 2022 19:17 utc | 50 I would like to add to my comment after the fact that Russia HAS to win this war and by doing just that while looking good doing it, the multipolar world we desperately need is within our grasp. Posted by: Safe | Nov 19 2022 19:17 utc | 51 Why waste resources on a naval landing in Crimea, when you can airdrop troops straight into the Kremlin? Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 19 2022 19:25 utc | 52 Opport Knocks
I have said it many times past months but not everyone get the memo, basically stop being in denial. Understand you are in denial and change your outlook:
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/coping/mental-health-cancer/how-cancer-make-you-feel/shock-denial Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 19:26 utc | 53 Posted by: GreyRaven | Nov 19 2022 19:17 utc | 49 Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 19 2022 19:28 utc | 54 In response to Zanon@52, Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 19 2022 19:31 utc | 55 @ GreyRaven | Nov 19 2022 19:17 utc | 50 Posted by: james | Nov 19 2022 19:32 utc | 56 @Neofeudalfuture 10 Posted by: Hermit | Nov 19 2022 19:33 utc | 57
True, or yet more supposedly slanderous propaganda ? I’m good with it either way. There is a slim possibility that the troll Neofeudalfuture’s idea of NATO ships bringing Ukrainian cannon fodder to Crimea could be made to work. The Ukrainians would be “refugees” who left Ukraine and are in central Europe. These “refugees” would be mostly women and children under 18 years of age. They will have been trained in the use of small weapons or AK-47s. Posted by: Jen | Nov 19 2022 19:39 utc | 59 Zanex@62 Posted by: Safe | Nov 19 2022 19:40 utc | 60 @ Outraged | Nov 19 2022 19:35 utc | 58 Posted by: james | Nov 19 2022 19:40 utc | 61 Things aren’t as smooth as Russia wants but Ukraine lost the war ages ago. There’s no miracle for Ukraine these holidays. Posted by: Carlos | Nov 19 2022 19:40 utc | 62 Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 19:26 utc | 53 Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Nov 19 2022 19:40 utc | 63 “The real path to peace in ukraine” – People’s Forum in NY today. Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Nov 19 2022 19:45 utc | 64 Augustus Ceasar Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 19:47 utc | 65 — james | Nov 19 2022 19:01 utc | 40 Posted by: blues | Nov 19 2022 19:47 utc | 66 “The real path to peace in ukraine” – People’s Forum in NY today with great speakers. Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Nov 19 2022 19:49 utc | 67 General winter coming to russia Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 19 2022 19:57 utc | 68 In response to Zanon@65, Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 19 2022 19:58 utc | 69 Great Christmas wishes this Ukrainian general seems to have on his list. Posted by: Marvin | Nov 19 2022 19:59 utc | 70 @ james | Nov 19 2022 19:40 utc | 61 Russian leadership is no less astute and understands very well both what group is driving the conflict, and why labeling it “satanism” was a brilliant marketing move. Posted by: seveneleven | Nov 19 2022 20:04 utc | 72 The problem with this is that it would confuse the American ‘Evangelical Right’. … Note that the vast majority of these people (perhaps 90%) are ‘Rapture Dispensationalists’ which requires a ‘Christian-Zionist’ allegiance. Posted by: seveneleven | Nov 19 2022 20:08 utc | 73 Devil’s advocate here. Posted by: Tom | Nov 19 2022 20:10 utc | 74 @Tom 72 Posted by: Confused | Nov 19 2022 20:26 utc | 75 @ James
Whether or not 90% of “evangelicals” are pre-trib Rapturists (which implies dispensationalism, yes, but never underestimate the arbitrariness of believers and their fantastic power of ignoring conflicts in things they profess to believe) may depend on how you define “evangelical.” One of the most notable things about evangelicals is they are seem to be the audience for the Hal Lindseys and Tim Lahayes. So if you define “evangelical” by where they sit in the commercial culture wars, maybe. Everybody paying attention knows Lindsey is a false prophet, but truth is not a value for believers. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2022 20:35 utc | 77 Ukraine deputy minister has voiced intention for complete civilian evacuation from Kherson. Apparently all the utility structures in the city are dead and the city is not compatible with life, so to speak. I guess, we could call Kherson a mini-scale modeling the entire country, soon. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 20:37 utc | 78 NPP hit again, as usual no protection by Russia even though this has been going on for months now. Why? Incompetence? Ignorance? Posted by: Zanon | Nov 19 2022 20:44 utc | 79 @ james | Nov 19 2022 20:42 utc | 79 Posted by: james | Nov 19 2022 20:46 utc | 80 An amphibious assault on Crimea?? — are the normally serious folks here trolling themselves? ….. instead of completely seemingly-unfeasible conjecture, perhaps come attention might be directed to the upcoming confrontation in Zaporizhzhya where, according to Telegram sources, tens of thousands of Ukr army troops are moving from the Kherson area for a mass attack. Posted by: chet380 | Nov 19 2022 20:51 utc | 81 Deputy Ukrainian Prime Minister Vereschuk announces start of “voluntary evacuation” from Kherson, South Russia. Posted by: yk | Nov 19 2022 20:59 utc | 82 seveneleven | Nov 19 2022 20:08 utc | 73 Posted by: Mummer | Nov 19 2022 21:03 utc | 83 There is another issue in regards to Christians and Ukraine? There is a strong tendency to hate Russians as people because they are Godless Commies and God punishes the children of sinners too. But there is the discomfort in counting the Orthodox as Christians. I’m truly glad the naval landing scenario achieved some attention. Even as mockery but if Russia wants to keep it it will have to consider defending it not just rely on missles and the terrain. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 19 2022 21:08 utc | 85 The Ghost of Port-au-Prince, flying a Haiti Air Corps English Electric Lightning F.6 interceptor jet obtained from South Africa has downed 10 U.S. F-16s and another 2 U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle jets over the West Coast of Florida. President Trump is scheduled to make an announcement sometime this evening. Posted by: blues | Nov 19 2022 21:21 utc | 86 Heh, it’s now 9 months (and >50% casualties) into a 3 day Special Military Operation. Not exactly the coup and happy union the pro-Putinites promised. Posted by: James Grip | Nov 19 2022 21:26 utc | 87 The UK is literally feeding the Ukrainians with SPAM Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 19 2022 21:40 utc | 88 Three day military operation ? Nonsense ,Putin’s in no hurry ,there was never a time frame . The Ukrainians have pretty much shot their wad, western support is fading ,this war should be about over by the spring . How are those sanctions working out for you ? Posted by: Buford T Justice | Nov 19 2022 21:41 utc | 89 “Maligned in Western Media, Donbass Forces are Defending their Future from Ukrainian Shelling and Fascism By Eva Bartlett” Posted by: bevin | Nov 19 2022 21:43 utc | 90 The obvious solution to this unprovoked war by America and Britain against Russia would be the formation of a strong anti facist political group in UK and US. Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2022 21:43 utc | 91 On the sad history of Sweden as master of cover ups for US and NATO misdeeds in Europe and why it is not a reliable part on any investigation of any event resulting on hug harm on the peoples of Europe, who have been turned since decades ago into cheap meat to be sacrified in the altar of US/Anglosaxon imperial ambitions and wishes to pester Russia… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 19 2022 21:50 utc | 92 Outraged@85 “Godless Commies?” Yes, it is irrational but it is still true. There is Red-baiting of Putin as a reviver of the USSR, after all. If you find this outrageous nonsense, speak to them, not me, I say it’s nuts. As to the rest, unlike you I do not see God in the bathroom mirror every morning and do not know what true Christianity is. I can only go by the people who say they are Christians, especially the professionals. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2022 21:51 utc | 93 Vladimir Gavrilov, from country 404. Must believe in Santa Claus. He claims that Ukraine will seize Crimea by Christmas 2022. lmao Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Nov 19 2022 21:55 utc | 94 @93 re MV Estonia; Posted by: Moaobserver | Nov 19 2022 21:55 utc | 95 The Saudis , Turkey , China , India , Brazil , Russia , most of Asia , they’re not about to be subjugated.It’s the US and its pipsqueak Euro vassals who are going to find themselves isolated, on the outside looking in. The US petro dollar’s days are numbered, if it the Americans are forced to play on a level playing field the US economy will collapse. Russia is in the driver’s seat , they are in good shape . Posted by: Buford T Justice | Nov 19 2022 21:56 utc | 96 I’m counting three new trolls and their lack of inspiration and mental agility must indeed be worrying for their paymasters. Perhaps they should look for better trolls to be hired in India or China, as they do with engineers and programmers these days. But it may be hard to find intelligent people to live a sorry life like that unless very well paid and money is running low in Europe so we may have to put up with these dumb trolls until the end. Posted by: Anthony | Nov 19 2022 21:59 utc | 97 James Grip | Nov 19 2022 21:26 utc | 88 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 19 2022 22:05 utc | 98 @Posted by: Moaobserver | Nov 19 2022 21:55 utc | 96 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 19 2022 22:09 utc | 99 i know when i hear marjorie taylor greene yapping, i start praying for the rapture. she’s a real proverbs 31 christian kind of woman you want entrusted with the family jewels. “she provides bullets for all her household. she rises while it is dark to secure the nation’s ballot boxes.” Posted by: rjb1.5 | Nov 19 2022 22:10 utc | 100 |
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