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November 17, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-201

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Zelensky's lies about the Ukrainian missile strike in Poland have damaged his credibility.


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We can hope that the media will now be more careful when they report of all the other lies Zelensky and his team are uttering on a daily base.

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We can hope that the media will now be more careful when they report of all the other lies Zelensky and his team are uttering on a daily base.

Surely you jest?!?
Whatever Zelensky says or does or lies has absolutely no impact on the decisions made in Washington DC and London for that matter.
This is a geo-strategic play and the decision makers in Washington DC will simply pay no heed whatsoever to anything Zelensky says or does.
None at all.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 18 2022 13:21 utc | 301

Re: Posted by: TG | Nov 17 2022 15:53 utc | 8
Your theory that it was in fact a Russian missile and Western elites are “lying about it” holds no water.
It is bunkum.
The Western (so-called) elites desperately WANT a war with Russia.
They are looking for any excuse to escalate this conflict and get NATO involved directly fighting the Russians.
The Polish Government is especially keen to drag NATO into a war with Russia and will do anything in its power to make this happen.
If this was in fact a Russian missile the Poles would have triggered Article 5 immediately and launched an immediate attack on Kaliningrad in retaliation.
The fact the Poles did not send tanks into Kaliningrad proves that it was not a Russian missile beyond all doubt.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 18 2022 13:30 utc | 302

Posted by: PP | Nov 17 2022 18:07 utc | 59
Posted by: PP | Nov 17 2022 18:21 utc | 60
As was commented above, that’s helpful info, allow me to add my thanks.
It occurs to me that if real negotiations ever happen, Russian would likely be uniquely positioned to immediately offer Ukraine the parts it would need to repair its energy grid. Russia no doubt stockpiled such parts in case they got bombarded, and if a true peace deal was on the table then offering those parts, and many even technicians to help installing them, would be a bargaining chip for Russia.
Though I could see why sending Russians within Ukraine would be an idea that was a non-starter.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 18 2022 13:36 utc | 303

it is dangerous for B to tolerate blatantly anti Jewish rants.
Posted by: watcher | Nov 18 2022 5:59 utc | 244
Go suck off zelensky, kolomoisky, kissinger, soros, bourla, zuckerberg, nuland and the rest of the oligarchs then.
What atrocious behaviour of Germany? They killed 20 million slavs and put a bunch of various people in concentration camps, mainly to protect them. Most jews left for better money, exactly in the same way as jews in Ukraine left safely and for sure didn’t get conscripted. Some jews in WWII Germany were in the nazi ranks (including Hitler, a partial jew). Out of the ones who perished (and not from any ridiculous “gas chambers”, rather from normal war stuff), only the jews, and no other group of people who died, make it into a gigantic spectacle that allowed the creation of Israhell (against the wishes of plenty of jews, mind you) and putting a gigantic blood-sucking siphon on the rest of the world, going strong for the better part of a century.
No one here writing the “dangerous” “anti-jew” “rants” has anything against people like Ron Unz or David Icke. It’s not racism, it’s long late criticism of the behaviour and atrocities of certain jews, as well as the ease at which most of the rest of the jews go along with it.

Posted by: Jusses | Nov 18 2022 13:36 utc | 304

Objective@272…not to split hairs, Janis does a great cover, but it’s a Kristofferson song.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 18 2022 13:37 utc | 305

@Tom
At 2min in this vid has an aerial view of the Polish farm…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e20Ao5YMLe8
Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 13:20 utc | 306
Monkeywerx YouTube is free. I think he purchases/ subscribes to something called Spyglass.
What’s available as OSINT now to armchairs like @bar is better than military had decades ago.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 18 2022 13:37 utc | 306

The IAEA prefers the Neo-Nazi regime as guardians of the Zaporozhye NPP.
Reminds me of the guy who said he preferred ab engineer’s brain if he needed a transplant as he wanted something unused.
The IAEA has mistaken themselves for political actors, and bad ones at that.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 18 2022 13:37 utc | 307

Media headlines: Fatal missile strike on Poland
BBC did some research on actual location. it adds up. However many, many questions remain looking at the perfect circle and lack of shrapnel damage of an exploding warhead???

Farm and grain loading site in the Polish village of Przewodów, about 6 km (4 miles) from the Ukrainian border | BBC News |
An image taken from the air on Thursday, after light snow had fallen, confirms the exact location of the missile strike within the farm complex, close to an L-shaped formation of buildings visible on the map above.

Posted by: Oui | Nov 18 2022 13:45 utc | 308

Video – Ukraine kill 13 russian soldiers on video, warning disgusting warcrimes:
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/14230
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/14231
Time and time again these videos show up where quite a whole lot of russian soldiers are left behind defenseless, time and time again Russia do nothing about it, do not prepare.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 13:49 utc | 309

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 18 2022 13:37 utc | 312
Waking up Biden in the middle of the night is a big red line.
Zelensky is in deep dodoo.
Ha ha ha ….
https://media.giphy.com/media/izybNcPekKpG700MUY/giphy.gif

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 13:52 utc | 310

Stonebird | Nov 18 2022 13:03 utc | 303
From the Ukraine channels, US has been promoting Zaluzhnyi so I guess he is next in line for the throne. Shouldn’t be long now and Putin will sneak in and poison Zed with a dastardly poison.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 13:54 utc | 311

Just occurred to me we see absolute zero reporting about how the war, and particularly at this moment the blackout, is affecting life for the Ukraine civilian population. It requires looking for it, there is a lot available for life in Donetsk, Mariupol, all areas on Russian side of the front. Just nothing from the Ukrainian side. Unique data point I can find is that Gonzalo Lira continues as ever in Kharkov with only minor and short term loss of power. As far as I can tell there are no reporters onthe Ukrainian side beyond Kiev and those stick close to the hotel and the narrative.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 18 2022 13:56 utc | 312

It looks like the CIA went deep into the archives and found a sure to win strategy. The missile strike in Pooland is clearly based on the negro sheriff in “Blazing Saddles” threatening his persecutors by holding a gun to his own head.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Nov 18 2022 14:06 utc | 313

The European Parliament has prepared a resolution recognizing Russia as a “terrorist state” and intends to vote on it at a session in Strasbourg on November 23, Delphine Colard, press secretary of the European Parliament, said at a briefing.

https://t.me/intelslava/41320
Why are not Russia voting on declaring EU a terrorist entity? Why this constant weakness and inaction when attacked?

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:07 utc | 314

Posted by: watcher | Nov 18 2022 5:59 utc | 244
it is dangerous for B to tolerate blatantly anti Jewish rants.
Fair enough.
The object of criticism, should it be a personage, should be named directly.
Preferably as a list referred to as “The List”, wherein shall appear all names who are valid targets of the criticism.
Perhaps that would be less blatant …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2022 14:13 utc | 315

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 18 2022 13:56 utc | 318
Check DW and France24, they had a 20 minute segment on it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2022 14:14 utc | 316

@ Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:07 utc | 320
Why this constant weakness and inaction when attacked?
. . .Lavrov.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 18 2022 14:15 utc | 317

i still think the russians will encircle kiev and possibly dniepro….
completely isolate and block all utilities plus any possible resupply.
they dont need to take the cities….the population will simply vote with their feet.
capitulation of kiev/dniepro ends the war …probably with few civilian casualties.

Posted by: harryash | Nov 18 2022 14:16 utc | 318

Don Bacon
You think he is the weak link in all of this? Interesting, not saying you are wrong but feel free to develop that argument.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:23 utc | 319

Posted by: Thomas Turk | Nov 18 2022 0:11 utc | 153
I personally know health workers for years and they very well know people were dying on their watch before ANY vaccine was available.
So kindly shove up your disinformation where the sun doesn’t shine.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Nov 18 2022 14:24 utc | 320

Time and time again these videos show up where quite a whole lot of russian soldiers are left behind defenseless, time and time again Russia do nothing about it, do not prepare.
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 13:49 utc | 315
Which grouping are they from Zanon?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 14:24 utc | 321

Many thanks to all barflies who remind us that USUKIS ALWAYS lies about everything.
It’s so much easier than trying to way up what’s right or wrong in their Hollywood narratives. Therecwere no missiles. Feeling cocky about the Kherson Russian withdrawal , Zelly Baby tells Poland to damage something within 75 miles of his launchers, for a bit of a celebratory false flag prank. The local Councillor, Mr Bean, pretends to be Outraged, to make it appear that something has actually happened.
Biden forgets momentarily that he is Potus and says ‘That ain’t no JCB. That’s just a back actor bolted onto the back of an old tractor’. Then he remembers who and where he is and says ‘ Nothing to with our side, don’t blame me ‘.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2022 14:28 utc | 322

@ Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:23 utc | 325
Why is not Russia voting on declaring EU a terrorist entity?
Why has Russia never taken Blinken to the woodshed over his repeated “unprovoked invasion” BS? . . . etc.
. . .Lavrov

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 18 2022 14:30 utc | 323

Has anyone thought the Missile into Poland operation was actually dreamt up by the USA to allow Zelensky and his UK and Polish backers to bark wildly in all the media , and thus discredit himself/themselves? That would make it much easier for the USA to reach an agreement with Russia and even give up on the Ukraine altogether. After all ,It was leaked or spun that Munitions for the Ukraine were not unlimited, Biden screamed at Zelensky , now won’t return his calls and to add insult to injury Ze makes a total fool of himself with “it was the Russians, I tell you! “. A similar technique was run by the US on the Greek Colonels who swore black and blue that they were betrayed by the US when they allowed the Turks into Cyprus in 1974. Saakashvili of Georgia 2009 was also dumped after being made to look like an autocrat and fool.
This could signal the US dropping the ball -and all its allies in the Ukraine war -just as it did in Afghanistan where UK and Australian forces found out about the US flying out from the newspapers.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 18 2022 14:33 utc | 324

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Nov 17 2022 22:08 utc | 122
Thanks. Yes. Just that at first glance it seemed not to fit.

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 18 2022 14:37 utc | 325

“The Associated Press also had to issue a retraction, noting that it had “erroneously” reported that “Russian missiles” had killed two people in Poland, and that this was based on a claim by one single anonymous senior US intelligence official.”
First, I’m old enough to remember when TWO sources were industry standard in journalism. Second, it’s time to start naming these “officials” and call them out for either incompetence or blatant dishonesty. This isn’t some internecine political rugby scrum. We’re actively courting WWIII here.

Posted by: JBirks | Nov 18 2022 14:43 utc | 326

Peter AU1
Sorry I do not know which grouping they were part of but I guess it will come out within days, to be honest I do not even watch videos like that, cant stomach such barbarity.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:45 utc | 327

in theory NATO could invoke article 5 against the US and whichever poodle carried out the attack on the pipeline. i mean, not gonna happen.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 18 2022 14:46 utc | 328

Ukraine attacked Russia proper again, this time a military operation with boat/drones against oil site.
“Ukrainian Mykola USV Attacked Russian Oil & Gas Terminal In Black Sea”
https://southfront.org/ukrainian-mykola-usv-attacked-russian-oil-gas-terminal-in-black-sea/

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:53 utc | 329

Pic of tractor trailer and crater. Cant find a higher definition pic. Blow it up 250%. The one trailer tire on the ground that can be seen is deformed and obviously flat. The two tyres in the air will hold their form even if flat. Tractor has a flat tyre and blown out cab. Looking at the depth of the crater, the missile has buried its nose into the ground a bit before detonating. Fragment blast pattern is likely to be similar to that of the BUK missile so the majority of fragments would be driven sideways into the ground.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BFF9/production/_127654194_1024-reuters-ddda4a5bd34cec8b5fcc2a70cec4d50a55106c37.jpg.webp

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 14:56 utc | 330

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 18 2022 13:37 utc | 311
Thanks for splitting hairs…I appreciate the attention to detail. Your post reminded me of Kristofferson’s prolific songwriting for himself and others, and I didn’t know that he wrote “Me and Bobby McGee”.
Re: Antisemitism
Tough call for b to make as a free speech advocate. Where is the line drawn? I might draw the line differently were I in charge of my own blog with posters from around the world commenting widely, but that’s not happening. Below is a long quotation from a recent essay, “The Cudgel of Antisemitism”, by Sam Kriss that was just posted on Greenwald’s Substack – the entire article (linked below) is worth reading:
“Here is a story about antisemitism on the British left. Last May, Israel fought a brief war in the Gaza strip: over ten days they destroyed forty schools, four hospitals, and nearly a thousand buildings; they also snuffed out around 250 human lives. I went to a protest against the war in central London, not because I really thought it could change anything, but out of the usual obscure sense of duty and guilt. It was a fun day out. There were thousands of us there, filling up the streets; I kept running into people I knew. Most of them were—like me—Jewish. Afterwards, I discovered that the protest had actually, according to much of the press, been an orgy of antisemitic hate. Mostly, this hate took the form of placards comparing Netanyahu to Hitler: these protesters didn’t get the memo that there is a list of political leaders it’s acceptable to compare to Hitler, and while it’s fairly long, Netanyahu’s name isn’t on it.
Probably the most revealing spark of outrage that day concerned a large inflatable puppet that appeared behind the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn as he gave a speech. The effigy depicted a man wearing an Arab headdress, with curly devil horns, glowing red eyes, and a large, prominent, hooked nose. This was Khalifa bin Zayed bin Sultan al Nahyan, Sheikh of Abu Dhabi and President of the United Arab Emirates: the previous year, Sheikh Khalifa had normalised relations between the UAE and Israel, so now the protesters were clearly depicting him as a monstrous Jew, using all the classic tropes of age-old antisemitism.
The horns: for centuries Jews were depicted as something not quite human, as animals or demons. Michelangelo’s sculpture of Moses gave him a pair of goatish horns; in 1262 an ecclesiastical synod in Vienna ordered all Jews to wear a horned hat. The bloodstained hands: all those libels about Jews drinking Christian blood, kidnapping children to consume their blood, baking the blood into our matzos. The nose hardly needs explaining. Antisemitism was on the march in London, and once again Corbyn was associating himself with it; he had plopped himself in front of “the world’s most racist 10 foot tall inflatable” and said nothing. “He should be expelled from the Labour Party immediately. Not suspended. Expelled. As should any other Labour MP or member who attended.”
The truth was a little more prosaic, but nobody bothered correcting themselves. The effigy had actually been made for a much earlier protest against the UAE’s involvement in the Saudi war in Yemen. They had given Sheikh Khalifa bloodstained hands because his forces were killing Yemeni civilians. They’d given him devil horns because they didn’t like him and devils are generally considered to be bad. And as for the nose—well, Jews and Arabs are brothers, and Khalifa bin Zayed happened to have a large, prominent, hooked nose. That was all. As it turns out, most people are more concerned with the reality of the present than the symbols of the thirteenth century.
This doesn’t mean that there was no antisemitism at the march. In fact, there was: I witnessed it myself. Near the Israeli embassy, a group of young men had jumped up onto the wall around the Royal Garden Hotel, and one of them was screaming into a megaphone. “Fuck Israel!” he yelled, and a portion of the crowd chanted “fuck Israel!”in response. “Fuck the Zionists!” he yelled, and the crowd repeated that too. And then, hoarser than ever: “Fuck the Jews!”
And there it was. There is, famously, a line between anti-Zionism and antisemitism. People have argued about exactly where that line is, but this man hadn’t just crossed it; he’d sped right over the thing as if it wasn’t even there. As statements of prejudice go, ‘fuck the Jews’ is pretty unambiguous. How did this make me feel? Not great! I was there in solidarity, and nothing wounds your narcissism more than having a nice gift thrown back in your face. For a moment, I felt very, very exposed. So maybe I should have done something about it. Maybe I should have edged my way through the crowd, got up close to the man with the megaphone, and snapped a photo of him. Spread it online: let’s find out his name, let’s find out his address. Does he have a job? Not any more! Or maybe he’s a student. We can change that. I could have dedicated myself to getting this man arrested and thrown in prison. The necessary laws are on the books. I could have made the whole thing about me, and my hurt feelings, rather than the people being bombed hundreds of miles away. But it’s hard to imagine how any this would have convinced the man with the megaphone that he was actually wrong about the Jews, that we’re not so bad after all.
It’s possible I’m being cowardly here; maybe I’m one of those Jews who would have walked meekly into the gas chambers. Luckily, there are braver people out there, people who will fiercely stand up to racism whenever they encounter it. Stephen Pollard is one of the leading figures in the British Jewish community: a kind of slimy, sentient ball of gefilte fish who was editor-in-chief of the Jewish Chronicle for over a decade and is still a frequent columnist across the British media. Around the same time I had my run-in with racism, he was writing about his own upsetting discovery: he had found that there was someone on Twitter who didn’t particularly like him. This, obviously, was antisemitism: nobody could dislike Stephen Pollard without being a bigot. His response was a stunning show of courage in the face of hatred: he found out where this person worked and “wrote to the company’s chairman, alerting him to his employee’s behaviour.” A few weeks later, the CEO phoned Pollard up to tell him that the employee was no longer working under his roof. “A man I believe to be a Jew hater,” Pollard concluded, “has suffered the consequences of his bigotry. That is what matters.”
Mr Pollard is, of course, an outspoken critic of cancel culture.”
The Cudgel of Antisemitism

Posted by: Objective Observer | Nov 18 2022 14:56 utc | 331

Zelenskyy complained that Ukraine was not invited to participate in the ongoing US-Poland investigation:
“I believe that we have the right to this. Is it possible not to announce the final conclusions until the investigation is completed? I think it is fair. If someone says that this is our rocket, should we be in a joint investigative group? I think we should, it is only fair.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/17/ukraine-says-its-not-to-blame-for-poland-missile-strike.html
Curiously, he apparently had nothing to say about the fairness of Russia, Donbass, and Malaysia being excluded from the MH17 investigation, nor the the fairness of Ukraine effectively being given a veto over the outcome of the subsequent trial.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Nov 18 2022 15:05 utc | 332

The caravan has moved on – are the nafo dogs still barking ? Showing off they scared that great train away?
Or is it the moan of the Jabber Wokey’s (TM) ?
Maybe it’s a lot of gnashing, wailing , chest beating and hair pulling cause they all insisted on being paid in cryptos – and invested in wonder cures – all turned to ashes on the tongue in a few hours.
Who cares? Losers and scammers and their suckers – they deserve each other.
I love the sound of fear and failure of the mighty, falling hard.
By Xmas, it should be all over…eh bf’s? 😉

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2022 15:07 utc | 333

Zanon | Nov 18 2022 14:45 utc | 333
DPR. Both DPR and LPR wear the same red tape to distinguish them from Russian forces, but one video I saw said they were DPR. Part of the Russian federation now but I doubt they are fully integrated as yet.
I suspect before this is over, the perps will receive eye for and eye type justice. The terrorists from the second Chechen war – a couple of bad ones were topped, one in Turkey and one in Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 15:07 utc | 334

Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 13:54 utc | 317
“To eliminate an enemy, see what he sniffs and exchange it for instant washing powder. This will clean his brain thoroughly, which then vanishes without leaving dirty marks on the furniture.”
Joe Tzu.
******
I think that two of the people identified with the massacre of Russian (DRP?) soldiers have already been liquidated. (crossed out) I reckon that the Russian soldiers themselves are going to pay back many old scores if they get the chance. (Most of these massacres can be found on Twitter, so “bragging” is no longer a worthwhile solution)

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 18 2022 15:12 utc | 335

@ Outraged | Nov 18 2022 6:19 utc | 251 // 259
we will have to ask b about posting john helmer links.. they have worked in the past.. and fwiw – i believe mark is who he says he is..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 15:16 utc | 336

Stonebird | Nov 18 2022 15:12 utc | 341
That is interesting if two are already gone. Wagner snatched a defector/trator from Kiev. Until I saw the video I thought it bull. Took him somewhere and interrogated him on video. No torture or anything. Fast but somewhat rough ending for him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2022 15:18 utc | 337

Arch Bungle @ 322
OK, I was hoping for a response like that. Could you help me narrow it down a little bit, those sites have big archives? Or give us a synopsis? Even telling me it was front page in past week would help a lot.
One other thing I notice. From the news one would guess it is privation and horror on Uke side of the line. Then we occasionally see street scenes and there are private cars and heavy traffic. Someone fuels those cars, fixes those cars, they are busy going somewhere. I have no clue.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 18 2022 15:32 utc | 338

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 18 2022 15:32 utc | 344
Laced with pathos, and propaganda, of course, but here and there a glimmer of light shines through:
DW:
(8-10 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74h7uDuGL34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_XRx7g30Ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQsNHbSDLMs
F24:
(2m only)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo-qOHytvow
PBS:
(25 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXJKDNCeTfs

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2022 15:53 utc | 339

@suzan 97
True, if –
* there was ANY ‘virus’ at all, goffed or natural, and –
* there has actually been a global, MASS-KILLING PANdemic.
In the first case: we don’t know for sure, (whatever narrative we choose to buy-into) that ‘viruses’ even exist at all; nor whether there was some novel ‘virus’ that caused the covid-flu. (At one time people believed – very confidently – in phrenology, phlogiston, and the geo-centric solar system; all now discarded as red-face-making errors…)
In the second case, the answer gets steadily clearer, as actually-reliable all-cause mortality figures emerge, that there has been NO pandemic. A nastier-than-usual flu, true enough (whatever actually causes them) with some equally nasty longish sequelae (just as average flus sometimes cause; it’s not unique in that). But a real mass-killing PANdemic? No, juat a hugely criminal SCAMdemic, which for a while fooled enough of the people enough of the time (including plenty of the very sharpest and brightest…). And yes, it seems that there were some sharp local upticks in death-rates for a while; but from what causes, exactly…?
In an incident like the covid swindle, it behoves us to be very careful what we believe, unexamined; especially statistics and ‘government figures’.

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 18 2022 16:09 utc | 340

Regarding wrongful “news” articles, there is some chatter that the articles are actually written by others, including involved people, and handed to lazy AP (and other) “journalists.” Certainly these “journalists” are obeying editorial orders and guidelines from the news corporations, so why not toe the line and serve the establishment. It pays well, and one can enjoy the travel and contacts with news-makers, or news-writers.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 18 2022 16:17 utc | 341

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 18 2022 16:09 utc | 346
The additional data about the access death will simply be ignored. At the moment there is more than enough data to sound alarms if we lived in a Normal World where the little guy was valued. He’s not in many. At least (one case that I am aware of) in Denmark the clot-shot if forbidden to be given to anyone below 50 yrs of age.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 16:21 utc | 342

watcher @94

After all no country wants a miserable mess on its borders, because it is destabilising for your own country. Think the USA. Surely any sane person will realise that having poor, dysfunction states in the South, as centres of drug smuggling, crime of all kinds and millions of refugees. If the USA, instead of supporting fascist dictators in Central and South America, and encouraging exploitation of the poor, the flood of refugees into the USA and the strain on its infrastructure and resources would have been reduced. Would drugs be such a problem in the US if South America were prosperous.

Excellent and insightful point!
Too bad a lot of American liberals and MAGA fans have not realised that this is the root of the mass refugee problem at US South border.

Posted by: lulu | Nov 18 2022 16:49 utc | 343

Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 13:13 utc | 305
The Polish farm aerial pic you posted:
There’s the main crater in the middle oaf the frame.
There’s a light dusting of snow.
The upturned trailer, the tractor and the ground have icing sugar snow over them and on the ground.
There’s a tractor rear end parked at the edge of the crater.
There’s track marks from the tractor traversing somewhat oddly across a grass area to the front and side. These have been made after the snow fall.
On the other side of the crater from the tractor there’s a white open sided tent with presumably plastic table and chairs undercover.
There’s 3 people in white personal protective gear in the crater, and a green item buried.
There’s 7 people clustered between the crater and the white tent and another guy in hazmat gear walking to the crater.
On the topside from the crater there’s an internal driveway and the farm buildings, particularly a long low one, presumably for animals, possibly stables or a piggery.
There’s four vehicles parked in a line along the front side wall. Two are cars, one is a white van and one a black, long wheelbase vehicle. There’s a number of people milling about – two in yellow vests and another in white hazmat milling about.
There’s a red emergency response vehicle – presumably a fire engine parked further back in a courtyard formed by farm buildings
There’s a black SVU parked at the back, hidden from view.
To the far right of the frame there’s a farm gate, with a security guy standing sentinel.
Right at the top of the pic there’s a paved area and number of parked vehicles.
To the topside and outside the gate there’s a red tent. The roof has a dusting of snow. Someone is bending over between the tent and the fence.
On the lower side outside the gate there’s a newly placed blue tent. It has no snow on it.
There appreciates lot be a portable generator and ducting running into the blue tent.
In front of the tent there appears to be a small, but deep hole with a guy in a yellow vest standing in it. Above him and beside the tent there’s 3 guys in matching yellow vests and a guy in a black hoodie/jacket.
There’s other people in black clothes between the front of the blue tent and the security guard at the gate.
Between the crater and the far bottoms left of the pic there’s empty ground.
At the bottom left of pic there’s three sets of deep tyre marks, but no vehicles in view.
Why do they want us to see this scene??

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 18 2022 17:49 utc | 344

Arch Bungle @ 345
Thank you so much.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 18 2022 18:11 utc | 345

re: Rhisiart Gwilym | Nov 18 2022 16:09 utc | 347
I agree with what you write and to bring the topic back to the Ukraine – think of the amount of bullshit “we” have been subjected to by our “superiors”. Within “the Empire of Lies” we reside.

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 18 2022 18:30 utc | 346

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/russia-expects-ukraine-attack-crimea-following-kherson
“Russian troops are reinforcing their position in Crimea in anticipation of attacks from Ukraine, a Russia-installed regional official admitted.
“Fortification works aimed at guaranteeing Crimeans’ security are being conducted under my supervision,” Russia’s regional governor of the annexed peninsula, Sergei Aksyonov, said Friday.”
Might be nothing, but might be foreshadowing later events.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 19:05 utc | 347

@ Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2022 11:18 utc | 293
Astute, succinct. Long has it been the case. Yet, as circumstances change, … two front blowback in the form of EU NATO leaders facing consequential regime change threats themselves like never before, from US & now their own citizens, both ? Who do they truly fear the most ? RF & multi-polarity or the US ?

The real reason Australia(and NATO members) is turning on its largest customer China(Energy supplier Russia) is because otherwise US will bring on “shock and awe” on its vassals …

– Carl Zha

Oct 8, 2020
US geostrategist John Mearsheimer threatens Australia(NATO members), saying we must “sacrifice prosperity for security” because we “do not want to underestimate how nasty [the US] can be“.

In your face unvarnished truth re the true status of Empires allies(?) … note the nervous laughter from the attentive sheep (senior Defense Officers & Bureaucrats – minions)(vassals)
Carl Zha – Mearsheimer – Twitter
embedded concise & succint video clip ~2min clip.

One thing worse than being our enemy is being our friend.
Allies(vassals) must “sacrifice prosperity for security” because you “do not want to be our enemy

– John Mearsheimer with candid frank advice.
@ Down South | Nov 18 2022 12:08 utc | 298
@ Down South | Nov 18 2022 12:17 utc | 299
Well, the Pentagon faction in Empire has stepped up. Have been awaiting this. They know the real situ, read the same for Empire, specifically US as for Ukraines prospects if Empire enters the conflict. That is the true unsaid message from Milley. Their personnel gravy train %cut & status & benefits would abruptly end along with MIC/ponzi looting scheme & much blood. No grand strategy no ‘Zero Pain/Damage’ off-ramp for empire without internal damage & accelerated demise.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 19:16 utc | 348

@ Brother Ma | Nov 18 2022 12:23 utc | 300
Simply not in Ukraines nor Empires interests to acknowledge them. No advantage for RF in drawing attention to them.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 19:22 utc | 349

@ Outraged | Nov 18 2022 19:22 utc | 356
it seems one side is broadcasting everything, with plenty of lies mixed in and the other side remains quiet on these same issues…thanks for your posts…

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 19:26 utc | 350

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 18 2022 17:49 utc | 351
Perhaps they are collecting evidence of a crime, because it was a crime. A crime that did not involve an S-300 IMHO. Thus I see it as collecting data just to have it on record in case in the future they might need to pull it out and use it.
No way in hell they need all this effort to figure out “What happened here ?”
They know exactly what happened. They just sent out Inspector Clouseau to make it look good for the morning papers and the curious sheep.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 19:29 utc | 351

@ NewWorldDisorder | Nov 18 2022 14:06 utc | 320
LOL. A classic. Though an apt analogy, so too with second clip.
Blazing Saddles- Welcome Sheriff Youtube. Runtime: 5m 02s.
And
Blazing Saddles – They are Simple Farmers You Know … Youtube. Runtime: 2m 05s.
@ Nov 18 2022 13:05 utc | 305
Impostor. Fake nic.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 19:39 utc | 352

A message from the recent Past.
“Why do you own anything ?”
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1591086703250669568
They want every aspect of our Life a payed for service.
He’s lying so much that he needs to read what he says.
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1593663914188820480

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 19:55 utc | 353

Posted by: Biochar | Nov 18 2022 7:20 utc | 261
Projecting American way of thinking onto Russia China relationship. Besides China will alway need Russian natural resources.

Posted by: RB | Nov 18 2022 20:12 utc | 354

Posted by: Haassaan | Nov 18 2022 8:32 utc | 278
I doubt Russia fired any missiles from Belarus. Belarus would be party to the war. All missiles come either from the east or the south.

Posted by: RB | Nov 18 2022 20:22 utc | 355

So there are people on this site who question the existence of viruses. Well what can we say. The earth is flat and Russian soldiers eat Ukrainian babies. I guess they think the common cold is caused by chemtrails or such thing. In Galileo’s time, the discussion at least had intellectual roots. Nowadays the greatest simpleton who has acquired the ability to put a sentence together thinks he can create a new reality. Another possibility – these people too are trolls just here to lower the level of thought. Either way, boundless stupidity that’s killing of Western culture.
If we need anything to survive the onslaught of trolls and media propaganda, it is hard critical thinking. And this critical thinking is being demolished quite deliberately and even more efficiently than the blowing up of, say, Nordstream pipelines.

Posted by: anthony | Nov 18 2022 20:26 utc | 356

If you search Przedowo on Google Earth you’ll find the coordinates 50°28’28” NorthLongitude ,23°55’24” EastLlatitude for the agriculture entreprise where it all happened.Quite odd that the city of Kiev has the same latitude,while the city of Lemberg Lwow/Lwiw matches the longitude.If you ruler wise track a line to the west of Kiev,then a line from Lwow to the north you will find yourselves in Przedowo where the lines cross.This makes one wonder:possibility of plausible deniability(i.e. the alleged russian programmer messed up Longitude and Latitude) or it was the Ruski sending a hidden message within the false flag.
Now there were some interesting foto’s linked today in this thread.If you compare them with the 2022 google image of the farming complex you’ll see a contraption at the place of the impact on the recent images,to me it seems a weighing bridge,with a truck or tractor hanger combination on it.Trucks coming in,going out are being weighed to establish the tonnage that is brought in or taken away.The weight is read from a screen that would be typically in the office/habitation house that makes the angle of the L-shaped building.
The impact made a big hole and destroyed the weighing bridge.Then the warhead crossed the grassy knoll to finally end its course pointing to the wall of the stretched barn,where the wall shows a muddy spot.The direction of the whatever it was is straight east-west.
I suppose a Sherlock Holmes or an Hercule Poirot would try to attend the funerals in Przedowo,but of course that is fiction and this is reality.
https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/c1370170-8882-48ef-bf64-010bcc06f1a2.jpg
So ,if there really was a missile making a big hole ,and then keepin the same direction and then became immobile forty meters upwards,we have to believe it came from the East.

Posted by: willie | Nov 18 2022 20:40 utc | 357

ANY OTHER SITES LIKE MOONOFALABAMA?
I view mainly: The Duran (meaning Alexander mainly), iEarlGrey, Military Summary, Defence Politics Asia, Scott Ritter, the new atlas. Smoothie X12. That’s about all that comes to mind.
They have all proved to be fairly unrewarding.
The ‘pundits’ have all proved to be incapable of correctly interpreting and forecasting.
Military summary and DPA are the best inasmuch as they provide pretty true information as to the state of the front line. Because they conflate the info for each side and a reluctant truth emerges. They are good for that. But they are as incapable of interpreting and forecasting as anyone else.
It has gotten to where I often merely look at the Youtube video pic of DPA and MS which often show their assessment of the front line and that’s it for the day. I’ve discovered if I listen to/watch everyone’s video I’ll end up no wiser than I was when I had that first glimpse of the front line as at start of business.
So more and more I find I just prefer to come to moonofalabama which often selects a very interesting item for its lead and then the comments section provides a very wide range of opinions and facts. Very rewarding. Very.
While I wait for more developments.
So my question is: are there more sites like MoA, does anyone know? Somewhere else I can go to find some interesting reading on this incredible war and all its ramifications?

Posted by: abrogard | Nov 18 2022 20:51 utc | 358

@ Outraged | Nov 18 2022 20:04 utc | 361
thanks outraged.. i have sent mark an e mail and will get back to you on what he says… cheers..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 20:52 utc | 359

@ abrogard | Nov 18 2022 20:51 utc | 366
i haven’t seen anything like moa.. i tend to hang out here and get updates on the other places from the various posters here… larry johnson is another writer that i enjoy reading generally.. that wasn’t on your list… here is a link to him
https://sonar21.com/

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 20:54 utc | 360

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 17 2022 21:03 utc | 95
Very intriguing but I don’t know where any of that is. Could you post a link perhaps? 🙂

Posted by: abrogard | Nov 18 2022 20:55 utc | 361

On 14 November the British Office of Financial Sanctions Implementation published a post about the comprehensive sanctions on Russia’s crude oil and refined oil products.  The aim of introducing a price cap is to reduce Russian oil revenues and Russia’s ability to fund the SMO through inflated global oil prices whilst enabling oil to continue to flow to the third countries that need it.  The maritime services ban and its price cap exception for crude oil will come into effect from 5 December, with the equivalent restrictions and exception for refined oil products coming into force from 5 February. While much effort has been expended by the pro-Russian community to downplay this effort as doomed to fail, the truth is it is likely to cripple the Russian economy within six to eight months and force the Russians to withdraw from all Ukrainian territory, though Crimea is likely to remain Russian. The foreign reserves held in trust by Western nations will likely be used to rebuild Ukraine.

Posted by: Deep South | Nov 18 2022 20:58 utc | 362

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 7:27 utc | 263
Failed to predict a collapse? Churchill predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1918, 1931, 1942 and 1954. Orwell made a career of wild guesses in his petty bourgeois kiddie lit and of course the odious Trotsky, when not conspiring with the German military and the Americans, predicted the demise every morning from 1927 until meeting his own collapse in Mexico in 1939. Then there was Kennan, Chambers and Conquest. The collapse of the Soviet Union was the most prematurely predicted collapse in the history of political punditry. What wasn’t predicted was the emergence of the convenient idiot Pizza Hut salesman Gorbachev in the wheel house of history in 1986.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Nov 18 2022 21:13 utc | 363

@ Paul McGrory | Nov 18 2022 21:13 utc | 370
Respectfully, true as far as it goes, yet Politicians predicting collapses for purely political purposes serially prematurely, is irrelevant to total structural Strategic Intelligence collection & subsequent Analysis FAILURE re actual USSR collapse.
Obviously were not reading Pravda nor widespread citizen Samizdat ? Heads up asses.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 21:22 utc | 364

Posted by: suzan | Nov 17 2022 21:05 utc | 97
Yes. I am very much of the same opinion. I view the USA as a rogue state without a government. There’s just a cabal of profiteers playing havoc, looting and plundering. They are businessmen and they pursue relentlessly the goals of business, of corporations, of profit, today, now, at any cost. They are not human leaders of human beings pursuing human goals with care and consideration of human factors.
Is the problem.

Posted by: abrogard | Nov 18 2022 21:42 utc | 365

@ Outraged
note in my post to you @ james | Nov 18 2022 20:52 utc | 366
your post @ Outraged | Nov 18 2022 20:04 utc | 361
is now gone! and yes, it is mark from the new kremlin stooge… you can disagree with him, but it is indeed him.. cheers…

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 22:41 utc | 366

@ james | Nov 18 2022 22:41 utc | 373
Can see no missing responses, including the final, with no denial nor retort.
Given the counter-factual unstructured gibberish, the NewKremlinStooge, if verified, if am not responding to a nic hijack of your name, therefore QED, likely akin to the MoscowTimes. Accuracy & Reliabilty: d4 (Admiralty code)
See: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 7:18 utc | 259 final comment without response nor refutation. Follow exchange in reverse over two threads over four days.
Re the indisputable FACTS re S300P Ground strike capability from design inception, see previous provided link here: Tass – Military drills31 Mar 2017, 15:43
Again please carefully parse professionally embarrassing screed at ‘Mark | Nov 18 2022 6:50 utc | 255’
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 23:05 utc | 367

@ Outraged | Nov 18 2022 23:05 utc | 374
take a look at the time stamp here -> Outraged | Nov 18 2022 20:04 utc | 361
your post is gone.. i am just telling you that mark informed me it was him posting, and yes! it is me posting to you @ 373.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 23:15 utc | 368

@ james | Nov 18 2022 23:15 utc | 375
Have no recollection re the matter subsequent post 259 of anything of substance. The posts and interchange over 4 days, stand,259 and earlier.
See previous. Standby it.
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 23:26 utc | 369

@Melaleuca | Nov 18 2022 17:49 utc | 351
saw this from other site yesterday – What you say is a “tractor”is actually a backhoe … here is a better large picture of it.
https://archive.ph/o7Nh2
– aka building site/excavator machine, with front loader and read digger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhoe
– it’s being used to remove/move dirt and to lift out remnants of the supposed “missile”
– could be used to tow that trailer, unsure if really is a tractor of the farm, probably was called in w investigators along with the larger one in your video (my guess)
– the white forms have no head gear, imo they actually look more like forensic coveralls used by crime scene police (and to keep their own clothes clean) vs hazmat clothing per se.
– can one assume they are in the “pit” looking for ID evidence of the missile?
– see round items in the pit maybe dirt screens, or just handy buckets
– i still see it as beat up of no consequence, being bled for all it’s worth by hyperactive attention-seeking msm and political shit stirrers, especially Z – who should be totally ignored by everyone 24/7, including russia – who do ignore him now.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 18 2022 23:31 utc | 370

abrogard | Nov 18 2022 20:51 utc | 365
They have all proved to be fairly unrewarding.
Yes, after a short time things can go round in circles, and it can take along time to uncover only few useful gems. No one is reliable at predictions – a short list became quite long, sorry.
I use these Russian TG channels via a browser for quick updates of key military info and other issues – scroll up from their latest post – i use google trans if needed
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/rybar?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://t.me/s/intelslava
https://t.me/s/azmilitary11
https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad/
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/boris_rozhin?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
at times they have the same info but all are unique feeds
for broader russia centric news
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/kommersant?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
links go to their website with complete articles
A dugin n co
https://www.geopolitika.ru/en
Eva Bartlett – in your face donbass reporting
https://nitter.net/EvaKBartlett and https://t.me/s/Reality_Theories
eg https://www.mintpressnews.com/under-fire-from-ukraine-everyday-life-in-the-donetsk-peoples-republic/262363/
on the ground reporting/embedded
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos
https://www.voltairenet.org/?lang=en
http://johnhelmer.org/
anything by Scheer Post or Patrick Lawrence
http://patricklawrence.us/category/articles/
https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/17/patrick-lawrence-more-futile-pacific-overtures/
Anti-Empire recommended sources list
https://anti-empire.com/red-pilled-war-realists-that-ae-reads-and-you-can-too/
http://www.douglasmacgregor.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasAMacgregor/videos
when something big militarily is happening
https://www.youtube.com/@MonkeyWerxUS/videos
staying grounded, aka avoiding becoming the monster you are fighting
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/
https://nitter.net/caitoz
2014 (military prediction) The DOUBLE HELIX: CHINA-RUSSIA
https://dokumen.tips/documents/china-russia-double-helix.html?page=1
China Daily EN eg Xi’s thought guides reform of armed forces
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202209/21/WS632a4ab9a310fd2b29e78c6d.html
https://consortiumnews.com/
https://thegrayzone.com/
https://multipolarista.com/
anything by Ray McGovern (VIPS) eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VHTm_wT7Os
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ray+mcgovern
History
anything by Prof John Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mearsheimer+ukraine
or Prof Stephen Cohen
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stephen+cohen+ukraine
Academic Paper
The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine: Revelations from Trials and Investigation
75 Pages Posted: 28 Mar 2022 by Ivan Katchanovski
University of Ottawa Date Written: November 29, 2021
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4048494
Robert Scheer has been studying, visiting, analyzing and reporting on Russia and China for six decades, including deep dives into the two countries’ complex, fraught history as neighboring powers with an often parallel history of peasant revolt, ascendent communist ideology and tension and conflict with the West. In his view, today’s joint statement is an historic, carefully considered articulation of the major shift underway from the de facto unipolar world that has existed since the fall of the Soviet Union and which was the eventual manifestation of post-FDR imperialist US foreign policy through the Cold War.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/03/16/joint-russia-china-statement-articulates-united-opposition-to-western-alliance/
from the dark side (know your enemy)
https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/decolonizing-russia
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
and https://www.rferl.org/

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 1:07 utc | 371

and possibly these too worth a look
The Postil Magazine
https://www.thepostil.com/
On the National Security Strategy of the Russian Federation July 2 2021
https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:438ab784-5cb3-409f-b6bc-920eee9a30bb#pageNum=2
Stephen F. Cohen on Russia’s democratization and how US meddling undermines it
Welcome to Pushback, I’m Aaron Maté. Today we are airing something special. It’s an unpublished interview that I did with the late Stephen F. Cohen in September 2019, just a year before his death.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/30/stephen-f-cohen-on-russias-democratization-and-how-us-meddling-undermines-it/

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 1:20 utc | 372

and for the ironic
https://t.me/s/den atofi cation
remove spaces

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 1:23 utc | 373

SeanAU | Nov 18 2022 23:31 utc | 377 “What you say is a “tractor”is actually a backhoe … here is a better large picture of it.”
It has been brought in for the cleanup. Damaged tract was red and is now gone, trailer has been moved.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2022 1:37 utc | 374

I noted Killnet took out the WH website the other day.
(via RT)
Killnet hackers staged a DDoS attack on Elon Musk’s Starlink service.
This is stated in their Telegram channel. Users cannot log in to the satellite Internet site: the login page takes a long time to load, after which it gives an error.
Also, Killnet threatened to pour tons of gigabytes of digital garbage into the Starlink database.
Earlier in the US, it was recognized that the satellite system helps the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And experts said that the Ukrainian military, using Starlink , select the most important targets for attacks.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 1:46 utc | 375

RE:”beginning to wonder if Surovikin is about to pull off one of the most brilliant strategies in modern war”
Surovikin will pull off brilliant pull off after pull off, all the way back to Mother Russia.

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Nov 19 2022 6:34 utc | 376

If you RSH or anyone knows of decent forum out there where one can see a slice of wisdom even if only occasionally do let me know. Cheers and best of luck to all.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 18 2022 3:42 utc | 207
The only problem is that if such a place exists they will eventually turn up there too. Could all this ID hijacking (not even mentioning the impossible-to-follow post numbers) be the result of b’s warning against sock-puppeteering?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 19 2022 7:19 utc | 377

In Ukraine the sight of teenagers on the front line is not uncommon.
– Kids of highschool age charging against Russian lines like if they had taken some “substances” that makes them to believe they are invincible.
https://t.me/thearcangel/16245

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 8:57 utc | 378

and for the ironic
https://t.me/s/den atofi cation
remove spaces
Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 1:23 utc | 380
Some of the videos there must be of people on drugs or ones trying to prove Darwin right.
Insane !!!

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 19 2022 9:19 utc | 379

Situation in the #Zaporozhye Direction until 11:00 on 19 Nov 2022⚡️
🩸 The AFU command continues to concentrate forces in forward positions for a likely offensive against #Melitopol. According to residents in the region, 25,000 to 40,000 troops will be concentrated along the entire front.
▪️ A train carrying 20 pieces of military equipment and weapons, including several M142 HIMARS MLRS launchers, has arrived at the railway station in #Volnyansk. The day before, the second line of defence was equipped with launching positions for US missile systems.
▪️ Also a few days ago, several Oshkosh trucks with MLRS launchers passed through #Dnepropetrovsk towards #Zaporozhye.
▪️ Two unidentified battalions of the AFU, probably from the #Kherson direction, have arrived in the #Preobrazhenka area. Personnel concentrations are held near #Orekhov and #Gulyaypole.
[ no comment, no point, it’s obvious what is wrong with this picture unless you support Z’s Ukr. ]

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 9:33 utc | 380

@Melaleuca fyi on poland missile
see Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 18 2022 23:31 utc | 377
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-201/comments/page/4/#comments

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 9:41 utc | 381

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 19 2022 9:33 utc | 387
Trains running… saw a video today of first train arriving to KHerson from Kiev. They are using diesel-electric trains, meaning they still have diesel. Where’d it come from? One strong possibility is those tankers that have been docking at Yuzhne port unhindered.
Hopefully the Russians have strong air defense in the line running south of Zaporizhe east to mitigate those himars and soviet MLRS.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2022 9:57 utc | 382

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 17 2022 18:33 utc | 66
immediately informed by true believers that that “that is not Zelensky”
True believer or not, that is not Zelensky. Unless your are blind.
Posted by: Drinky Crow

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Nov 19 2022 10:02 utc | 383