🇷🇺🇺🇦 The withdrawal of troops and the remaining civilian population will be carried out as soon as possible. In the next few days, Kherson will come under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/intelslava/40803

Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 15:14 utc | 204

It would be pretty stupid for Russia to keep troops in Kherson in danger of being completely overrun.
Russia is just paying for the mistakes they made months ago.
Makes sense and its smart to retreat. This will be a long war.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 9 2022 15:18 utc | 206

Re: Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2022 15:16 utc | 208
I presume you’re joking, because if you aren’t – seek help urgently.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 9 2022 15:23 utc | 208

This is how a Martyanov style bloviation (MSB) proceeds:
“Russia has already defeated Ukraine.”
Logical question (LQ): “So who is fighting now?”
MSB: “NATO mercenaries. They’re ¾ of the frontline troops.”
LQ: “So NATO is fighting Russia? Didn’t you say NATO is terrified of the possibility of war with Russia?”
MSB: (gabbles about Russian Poseidon, etc, which are utterly irrelevant to this conflict)
LQ: “But they’re irrelevant to this conflict. This is a WWI style positional war where Russia has gained nothing in months and has abandoned huge amounts of territory in the North and North East and is apparently about to abandon extremely strategically vital territory in the South. So you’re saying that NATO is defeating Russia?”
MSB: “You sixth columnist troll, Russia is fighting alone against 30 countries.”
LQ: “But when we said over and over that this would inevitably happen you called us trolls. Why are you changing your tune now?”
MSB: (Goes into ad hominem rant)

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 15:25 utc | 210

DunGroanin @ 208
This isn’t a trap, not on this scale RF lost 9500 troops just in the last few months only at Kherson, 3x the wounded and all the associated destroyed equipment. If this doesn’t lead to a truce then expect NATO to go all in, south, center, and north attacking or at least pinning Belarus. Since the coup attempt against Lukashenko you know they badly want Belarus as their next Ukraine. Put NATO right up hard against Russia’s border, put a gun against the Kremlin’s head, then force Vassalage.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2022 15:26 utc | 212

@208
Are you auditioning for the role of Moon Of Arestovich?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 15:29 utc | 214

Thousands of russian soldiers killed in Kherson was for absolute nothing. Think of all those lives being pure cannon fodder. This is disgusting.
This is a bigger scandal of war than Vietnam/Iraq. RUssia has not even fought 1 year yet and have spent most time retreating and not being able to hold any region fully.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 9 2022 15:30 utc | 216

Russia is fighting a respawned Ukraine army full of conscripts who never held a weapon prior to February armed with NATO weapons for a while now.
ROFL
Russia is drawing NATO soldiers in Ukrainian uniforms into a killing zone

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 15:32 utc | 218

Russian Federation is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, taking into account the realities currently unfolding – Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zakharova
What “realities”?

Posted by: rk | Nov 9 2022 15:39 utc | 220

This is a bigger scandal of war than Vietnam/Iraq. RUssia has not even fought 1 year yet and have spent most time retreating and not being able to hold any region fully.
Posted by: Zanon | Nov 9 2022 15:30 utc | 220
Haha. Not in a million years. I’m 64 years old and both of those wars were immoral gigantic wastes of life and treasure. Butchery for nothing, just like the US/EU support for the odious nazis in Ukraine. Just evil.

Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 9 2022 15:41 utc | 222

@psychohistorian
You mean like Bernhard claimed back in March that the entire Ukrainian army in the east was already in a cauldron? You mean like Martyanov has been gibbering over and over that the Ukranazis have been defeated? You mean like all the armchair general bloggers who claimed the nazi regime could no longer mount offensives or move forces?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 15:43 utc | 224

Ok.
I was believing that Russia has everything under control.
Despite the several small setbacks I thought Russia was just doing the strategically right things to avoid casualties and win the war by bleeding out the enemy in senceless offensives.
I was convinced that the russians could crush ukraine if they wanted to.
Now, if they are unwilling or unable to hold on to Cherson and retreat to the east of the dnjepr I cant conclude otherwise but admiting that i was wrong.
I am sorry to say, even if it was the right decision militarily, the psychological and political effects are devastating.
I do admitt that i was hoping that Russias strength could change things even in the west by pointing out the crazyness of European politics (from military supply to sanctions to…)
But if you appear so weak there is no point in trying to convince anybody of anything related to this conflict.
I am sorry. If they are really going to retreat to the dnjepr line nobody will take Russia serious anymore even if they win the war in the end.
You not only need to have power, you need to project it as well.

Posted by: Orgel | Nov 9 2022 15:46 utc | 226

rk

Russian Federation is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, taking into account the realities currently unfolding – Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zakharova

LOL can Russia become any more pathetic?
What is it to “negogiate” by now? Ukraine have proved in Kherson they can rid Russia out of Ukraine without even fighting! Of course Ukraine have no interest for talks now, they will keep winning on the battlefield military.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 9 2022 15:51 utc | 228

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 9 2022 15:06 utc | 195
If by “any country can” means, US Treasury admits that it can’t stop them and the crazy-ass customs reporting form has been trashed by insurers, yes, that statement is true. Last week, the racketeering plot was in the toilet–none could agree to prix fixe or float, onshore or at sea. Then Monday, Yellen showed in India wagging her finger, and the entire ministry of foreign affairs laughed in her face (figuratively): You came for anudder helping of NO?

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 9 2022 15:54 utc | 230

Too bad this blog is filling up with troll posts, all insulting Russian decisions. This is but one very small maneuver in a far broader war, and fortunately for Russian citizens, their leadership is trying to minimize Russian causalities.
It is worthwhile subscribing to many Telegram channels (you can start with IntelSlavaZ) and look at the trends. Men in trenches getting arms blown off with quadcopter dropped grenades, buildings destroyed with Gerans, Tanks and AA weapons struck by drones with other drones watching. Nothing is safe from drones with infrared imaging, and modern missiles (Iranian, Russian) can strike long distance with fantastic accuracy. You don’t need to nuke a city if you can launch hundreds of accurate missiles that can take out every substation, water plant, sewer plant, train repair yard, refinery, gas storage, large overpass, marine terminal etc.
So far, the only thing we haven’t seen yet is satellite takedown. I foresee the day when it is fair game to take down any geostationary satellite that hangs out over your landmass in times of war.
Stubborn areas getting incinerated with thermobaric weapons. Most of Ukraine has no stable energy supply and they are lucky they haven’t been leveled with US style “shock and awe”. Worst case here is that Ukraine becomes a Somalia like buffer zone run by war lords.
There is no way to quickly repair ukraine’s energy supply because there are huge lead times on custom transformers and switch gear. A country without stable power is just a failed state.
All wars from here on will be hybrid. Economic sanctions, financial sanctions, energy restrictions, blowing up pipelines, currency wars, assassinations, coups, forced migrations, propaganda, rigged elections etc.
The winners of this long war will be the rest of the world, including Russia. The losers will be the USA and western oligarchy. It has only just begun.

Posted by: PP | Nov 9 2022 15:58 utc | 232

Why was it so hard for Russia to reinforce the area?

Posted by: Canada27 | Nov 9 2022 16:00 utc | 234

It’s impossible to defend Russia now. They had months to reinforce Kherson, and now have been completely humiliated by Ukraine taking a city that is supposedly “Russian” now. LOL! I think the Russian military is just dumb and incompetent as the west says they are. Shame.

Posted by: Canada27 | Nov 9 2022 16:03 utc | 236

Hi everyone, a long-time Southern European reader here. I’m very disappointed with latest rumors/news about Russian retreat from Kherson.
The 1st casualty for this is the Russian MoD and associates credibility, now several hundred meters undergrond. Due to simple logic: if previous Kherson evacuations were military-focused, and if all reported Ukrainian offensives are truly repelled and an Ukranian meat grinder… why to retire from Kherson now? Sorry but all military reports from last 2 months are unbelievable.
That said, and given that both sides of this war are propaganda machines of the worst kind, we should stick to the facts.
Even with this strategic defeat, Russia has already won this war. Ukrainian losses are several times higher than Russian ones (this has been independently verified). And Russia has annexed a sizeable chunk of Ukrainian territory.
But, this is increasingly looking like a pyrrhic victory. Russia’s position is weaker than before the war: economically nobody knows how the Russian economy will endure the Western embargo in the long term (even if the Western position is far from perfect). Russia has all basic needs covered, but it has trouble with advanced parts importing/manufactoring that cannot be ignored. Militarily, it has now a stable, fully hostile state in its doorstep, whose main aim seems to be to destroy Russia. And the combined West is now united under Biden figure, with no more neutrality allowed: almost everyone is now NATO or an equivalent alliance, with military deployments at all possible flanks of the Russian border. Diplomatically Russia has improved relations with Asian powers, but all bridges with the West are broken for decades. And the West, even with all its problems, is still the biggest consumer and the biggest (combined) military power in the world.
I see this SMO as a huge miscalculation by Putin. He expected a fast, weeks-long operation that culminated in a regime change in Ukraine, the end of American imperial ambitions regarding Russia, and maybe some territory conquests. He only got the latter and at a huge cost. And now he needs to prepare for an all-out war with NATO & Ukraine, because they won’t stop at Kherson, for sure.
Please don’t call me a troll, I was on Russia’s team for 2 main reasons:
– A Russian victory would be the best outcome for my country. America, Europe’s master, is in its final imperial stage in favor of China, that is also a fact. And an orderly transition is always better than a chaotic one.
– The Ukrainian regime is the most despicable one in decades, whose sole aim is to prove than Ukrainian “race” is superior to the Russian one by exterminating it. Russia was morally right trying to “de-nazify” the Kiev Banderite regime.
But facts are facts. And a winning army doesn’t go retreat after retreat. Hope Putin and Russia are able to solve the mistakes that have led to this situation, and by destroying the Banderite regime, give Europe an opportunity to solve its own mistakes by breaking free from American empire.

Posted by: Igor | Nov 9 2022 16:21 utc | 238

So many armchair generals here, and so many paychecks to cut.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Nov 9 2022 16:39 utc | 240

Alex, the Medium | Nov 9 2022 16:54 utc | 241
______
I have made no statements here at all as to the success or failure of Russia’s strategy, but thanks for your critique.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Nov 9 2022 18:26 utc | 242

@fanto 128
The attitude of the Germans to the alleged refugees has changed somewhat. More and more people are becoming impoverished. The number of people in need of help, who pick up free or cheap food at the distribution points, has doubled. That is why there is now an admission stop there. Those who were lucky enough to be registered there experience the following: Refugees from Ukraine are served first, then those from the Middle East, and finally it’s the Germans’ turn. There were such reports from some places. After the Ukrainians received their food and complained about the quality beforehand, some then get into a Lexus or Range Rover and drive away. They have rented their apartment in Kiev or Lviv expensively to Ukrainian refugees from the eastern territories. That’s the kind of thing that gets around. It is the same with the fact that numerous Ukrainians come to Germany, register to receive social welfare benefits and, after confirmation, drive back home. Now they receive 400 euros or more a month from the German taxpayer instead of just 100 euros for work in Ukraine.
The municipalities, which have to take in the refugees, are mostly broke and have no more buildings to accommodate the refugees. Therefore, they are considering forcibly housing the refugees in private homes. This will certainly be implemented soon if the influx continues. The accommodations for the refugees must be heated. Since they come from warm countries, they are not prepared to live in a room with 18 degrees like the thrifty Germans. They love it when the temperature is 22 degrees and more. That costs. I don’t want to think about what happens when the heating breaks down. We’ve had riots and burning buildings here because the WLAN wasn’t fast enough or the chocolate pudding didn’t taste good.
It all makes for a pretty bad mood among the people who have to pay for it all. The government is not willing to change anything about the situation. On the contrary, it has now made it easier for people to move in, thus attracting even more illiterates to the country.

Posted by: Uwe | Nov 9 2022 21:09 utc | 244

Retreat from Kherson?
As they say in Alabama, “That dog don’t hunt”.
Maybe Biden made Putin an offer he can’t refuse.

Posted by: Jerr | Nov 9 2022 22:55 utc | 246