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November 8, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-193
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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” RUSSIA IS FIGHTING A WAR OF ATTRITION BY DESIGN and it will take whatever time required to destroy the Ukrainian military COMPLETELY and destroy European unity COMPLETELY. Why bother to even post? Let’s all just sit back and let it unfold! Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 9 2022 0:43 utc | 101 @ bevin | Nov 8 2022 17:50 utc | 14 Posted by: james | Nov 9 2022 0:44 utc | 102 It’s somewhat OT concerning ex-Ukraine but I was thinking about commenting on “the big one” and as far as I could see Johnstone didn’t have a link to the official DoD article so I’ll add a little to her article and Karlof1’s comment.
—public and official statement given by U.S. Strategic Command commander Navy Admiral Charles A. Richard in charge of the US nuclear triad ie. all US nuclear weapons during the US Naval Submarine League’s 2022 Annual Symposium & Industry Update’s Awards Luncheon on November 3rd 2022 and later published by the US DoD. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 9 2022 1:04 utc | 103 It’s an important read; please do so!! Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 9 2022 1:06 utc | 104 Posted by: Featherless | Nov 8 2022 17:26 utc | 11 Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 9 2022 1:08 utc | 105 Massive breakdowns in voting machines in multiple states during the US midterm elections. … Voting precincts have run out of ballots, and (get this) have even run out of paper. … Voters are being turned away. … Voters are being given ‘provisional ballots’ that may be challenged and thrown out. … Irregularities are everywhere. … Mail-in ballots using old databases with dead people, people who moved out of state, etc. Posted by: Mummer | Nov 9 2022 1:19 utc | 106 1. US officials are a persistent global public health hazard. Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 9 2022 1:19 utc | 107 At some point there has got to be some sort of critical mass of Germans collectively saying WTF in regard to the US sponsored sabotage of NordStream? Posted by: Ed Nelson | Nov 9 2022 1:21 utc | 108
If it gets her out of government and the country and into harm’s way, then I am all for it. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 9 2022 1:25 utc | 109 Put a mustache and taupe on Olaf Scholz and he looks amazingly like another German Chancellor. Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 9 2022 1:28 utc | 110 @ whirlX 26 Posted by: Uwe | Nov 9 2022 1:34 utc | 111 @GoFast 2: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 1:44 utc | 112 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 1:44 utc | 112 Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 9 2022 1:50 utc | 113 I was looking around on the Hromadske website today and all they had new was some boring video about a returnable drone that can drop a small bomb. I saw a “Sun” video about how the Ukies had taken Kupyansk but I thought I had remembered that they really hadn’t or it was back in September. Supposedly this video was put out by the Sun yesterday but the deciduous trees and brushes all had green leaves and hadn’t lost any yet, although as person watches, its obvious that this video has been spliced together over time, as well as having pieces and parts of other video added to it. The opening infantry scene in a house yard and garden looks staged as there seems to be no return fire coming for their “enemy”. But for most of the people seeing this in the West would have no idea that this was a month to 6 weeks old or that much of it wasn’t “live action.” It shouldn’t be surprising but… Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 9 2022 1:52 utc | 114 #77, #79 Posted by: RicK | Nov 9 2022 1:56 utc | 115 @B9k9 104 Posted by: Uwe | Nov 9 2022 2:04 utc | 116 #89 Posted by: RicK | Nov 9 2022 2:19 utc | 117 “Russia has air superiority, but not air supremacy”. Posted by: Simon | Nov 9 2022 2:21 utc | 118 If you actually believe thats a valid strategy then your soul has turned dark. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 9 2022 2:31 utc | 119 @ Posted by: Mummer | Nov 9 2022 1:19 utc | 1o6 Posted by: Forest | Nov 9 2022 2:42 utc | 120 GreyRaven | Nov 8 2022 21:16 utc | 64 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Nov 9 2022 2:47 utc | 121 @ karlof1 | Nov 9 2022 0:19 utc | 99 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 9 2022 2:51 utc | 122 Russia is not killing masses of civilians. If it were, every western media source would be plastered with the evidence. Even in the great raid after the Kerch Bridge attack the death toll never went about 20 claimed by Kiev. It’s months into this. We can safely surmise that the low civilian death toll from Russian actions is by clear choice. Posted by: Lex | Nov 9 2022 3:02 utc | 123 Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 8 2022 19:00 utc | 31 Posted by: fanto | Nov 9 2022 3:20 utc | 124 Below is the ZH title of an interesting posting and I will provide a quote
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2022 3:44 utc | 125 @ psychohistorian | Nov 9 2022 3:44 utc | 125 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 9 2022 3:57 utc | 126 ” War is war, especially war against darkly brutal Ukraine. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 9 2022 4:07 utc | 127 @Posted by: whirlX | Nov 8 2022 18:35 utc | 26 Posted by: fanto | Nov 9 2022 4:13 utc | 128 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 9 2022 0:43 utc | 101
How would they feel one day when they wake up an realize they’ve been turned into Iraq, Libya, Syria and US forces are occupying Moscow? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2022 5:00 utc | 129 Posted by: RicK | Nov 9 2022 1:56 utc | 115 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 9 2022 5:03 utc | 130
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19302 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 5:07 utc | 131
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19309 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 5:08 utc | 132
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19310 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 5:10 utc | 133 I posted this in the tail end of the previous thread, I don’t think anyone in this thread has mentioned it yet and it’s important enough to repost. Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 9 2022 5:44 utc | 134 Don Bacon @122–
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19312 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 6:12 utc | 136 One of the issues most noticeable about the current Ukraine conflict which many here and at the usual blogs & vids have much commented on is the failure of any organised peace movement to appear. Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 9 2022 6:55 utc | 137 Election interference? Those damn Russkies again… Posted by: Just Observing | Nov 9 2022 7:09 utc | 138 Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 9 2022 5:44 utc | 134 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 7:30 utc | 139
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19319 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 7:38 utc | 140
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19326 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 8:01 utc | 141 It would be devastating for the US to enter such a major killing zone on the frontiers of the Russian Federation Posted by: rk | Nov 9 2022 8:06 utc | 142 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 8:01 utc | 141 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2022 8:06 utc | 143 alexander kamyshin ceo of Ukraine Railways spoke of plan b for electric trains….diesel locos. then theres a plan b for diesel …no kidding he said steam locos… Posted by: hankster | Nov 9 2022 8:07 utc | 144 Posted by: rk | Nov 9 2022 8:06 utc | 142
They don’t make peasants like they used to. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2022 8:10 utc | 145 The actor got himself an oscar after doing a few lines with Sean the super intellectual Penn. Alternate reality springs to mind, thousands of Ukrainians getting butchered every week down the road from his office and Hollywood hand him a gold statue. You couldn’t make it up, unless of course you’re a Hollywood producer. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Nov 9 2022 8:18 utc | 146 Posted by: Uwe | Nov 8 2022 22:30 utc | 215 ( from an older tread )
but why do you hide behind “… IEA and BASF analysts…” ? Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 9 2022 8:47 utc | 147 NS1/2 are gone, no more money at all. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 9:01 utc | 148 It won’t take long for the Poles and Romanians to realise that this fight is really not theirs. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 9:05 utc | 149 1942 there were 15 million Romanians so losing 158,000 dead would be 1,05% Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 9:09 utc | 150 Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 9 2022 8:47 utc | 147 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 9 2022 9:18 utc | 151 Proud Western puppet actor finally gets the recognition he deserves for his role of a lifetime: Posted by: Et Tu | Nov 9 2022 9:26 utc | 152 Don Bacon @122– Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 9 2022 9:26 utc | 153 Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 9 2022 5:44 utc | 134 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 9 2022 9:50 utc | 154 I find Wolfgang Streeck is always good. He has the EU summed up very well. Posted by: laguerre | Nov 9 2022 9:54 utc | 155 Posted by: fanto | Nov 9 2022 4:13 utc | 128 Posted by: bottle | Nov 9 2022 9:56 utc | 156 Aggregating from Slavyangrad and other reports. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 10:17 utc | 157 Ukrainian channel Legitimnyi on the events of Kherson area. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 10:27 utc | 158
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19333 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 10:28 utc | 159
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19334 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 10:29 utc | 160 I haven’t seen any evidence that the ship was even hit by a weapon. Naval ships handle many dangerous things, and carry many explosive things. Fires are common during peacetime. Posted by: barstool | Nov 9 2022 10:48 utc | 161 Latest news is that RF will be withdrawing from one or both sides of Ingulets River. Leaving only the area immediately around Kherson and city itself in RF control. Posted by: moaobserver | Nov 9 2022 10:50 utc | 162 barstool | Nov 9 2022 10:48 utc | 162 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 9 2022 11:17 utc | 163 Posted by: moaobserver | Nov 9 2022 10:50 utc | 163 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 11:19 utc | 164 @Debsisdead 137 Posted by: Uwe | Nov 9 2022 11:35 utc | 165 moaobserver | Nov 9 2022 10:50 utc | 163 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Nov 9 2022 12:05 utc | 166 ⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine Posted by: Summary | Nov 9 2022 12:17 utc | 167 In terms of weaponry, first place in current Ukraine warfare goes to guided weapons. That would be rockets and drones. Second place goes to artillery, which benefits from a symbiosis with drones. Third place goes to airplanes, which are vulnerable to, but can also shoot guided weapons. After that comes tanks, which have been painted with a large target by the tech. This hierarchy would seem to hold whether the ground is dry, muddy or frozen. Posted by: Zed | Nov 9 2022 12:18 utc | 168 … never confuse (as bevin does) the future of an institution with the idiots currently in power. One day they will be out, and others with other policies, will take their place. Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 9 2022 12:56 utc | 169 🇨🇳 It is necessary to concentrate all efforts on military affairs. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 12:57 utc | 170 The more things change… Or they stick to the streets for a fistful of climate dollars or persecute “right-wing” peace demonstrators and drive them out of the country. Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 9 2022 12:59 utc | 172 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 13:09 utc | 173 The cock is crowing. Vigorously. Dawn near? Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 9 2022 13:24 utc | 174 (Sunny Runny Burger writing. It’s a bit verbose but I have to post and go, I should be doing other stuff) Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 9 2022 13:34 utc | 175 Found this: The Greens – recently called ‘the most hypocritical, aloof, mendacious, incompetent and, measured by the damage they cause, the most dangerous party we currently have in the Bundestag’ by the indestructible Sahra Wagenknecht – are rather more afraid of nuclear power than nuclear arms. Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Nov 9 2022 13:38 utc | 176 Kirill Stremousov, the Russian-installed deputy head of Ukraine’s southern Kherson region, died in a car crash, Russian state news agencies reported. Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 9 2022 13:47 utc | 177 Pro Russian Telegram channels are almost unanimous in proclaiming that Putin is about to abandon Kherson even though all Ukranazi offensives have been decisively beaten and though Russia is much stronger there now than even a month ago. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 13:55 utc | 178 This is going…uh great Posted by: Zanon | Nov 9 2022 14:00 utc | 179 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 13:55 utc | 179 Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 9 2022 14:00 utc | 180 Biswapriya Purkayast
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/09/12/pers-s12.html Posted by: Zanon | Nov 9 2022 14:09 utc | 181
Musicians? Does anyone know what word might have been a more accurate translation? Posted by: David Levin | Nov 9 2022 14:23 utc | 182 laguerre@156 Posted by: bevin | Nov 9 2022 14:26 utc | 184 Well, the fact is that there are a lot of factor influencing whether events like this (assumed Kherson retreat) occur or not. It’s math and likelihoods for military planners. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2022 14:28 utc | 185 Rolling stock on fire in Jekaterinburg. Let me guess: another day, another Ukrainian. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 9 2022 14:28 utc | 186 Et Tu (152). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 9 2022 14:41 utc | 187 Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 9 2022 13:34 utc | 176 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 9 2022 14:43 utc | 188 Europe will be sacrificed along with Ukraine by the USA in an attempt to defeat Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 9 2022 14:47 utc | 189 How can the fruit and nut zelensky refuse to attend the G20, because Pres Putin is going, when ukrane is not a member of the G20 in the first place? Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 9 2022 15:02 utc | 190
https://twitter.com/KitKlarenberg/status/1590356144861896707 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 15:02 utc | 191 The Russian Federation is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, taking into account the realities currently unfolding – Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zakharova. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2022 15:03 utc | 192 If true, this could change things dramatically. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 9 2022 15:06 utc | 193 ^^^ “…keep pressing in the south, and especially towards Belarus.” Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2022 15:07 utc | 194
https://t.me/azmilitary11/28093
https://t.me/azmilitary11/28094 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 15:07 utc | 195 193, 194 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 9 2022 15:09 utc | 196
https://t.me/azmilitary11/28095 Posted by: Down South | Nov 9 2022 15:09 utc | 197 Re: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 9 2022 13:55 utc | 179 Posted by: Julian | Nov 9 2022 15:10 utc | 198 Withdrawal from Kherson? What the fuk is Russia doing? Ukraine and NATO are evil. However, I’m about done with Russia’s pussyfooting around and apparent cowardice and incompetence. Posted by: Saint Jimmy | Nov 9 2022 15:10 utc | 199 Bad move, the lights may go out over the remaining part of the so-called Ukraine this week. Posted by: rk | Nov 9 2022 15:10 utc | 200 |
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