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November 6, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-192
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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[Forwarded from MoD Russia] Posted by: summary | Nov 6 2022 13:09 utc | 1
https://t.me/azmilitary11/27853
https://t.me/azmilitary11/27854 Posted by: Down South | Nov 6 2022 13:11 utc | 2
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18935 Posted by: Down South | Nov 6 2022 13:16 utc | 3 Interesting read from Larry Johnson
CAN THE UNITED STATES FIGHT A TWO FRONT WAR? Posted by: Down South | Nov 6 2022 13:34 utc | 4 Are the Russians capable of shuttering the Satellite observation systems? If the Russian can do so they can mask the offensives they are planning or stymie and Ukie lunges. Either attack the software via hacking or the physical infrastructure of the modules or the control rooms. Posted by: Wokechoke | Nov 6 2022 13:37 utc | 5 Large UAF attacks yesterday near Kupyansk and Lyman. Combined loss estimates during and after these attacks include over 500 personnel (100 foreign mercenaries from air strikes), 11 tanks, 14 light armored fighting vehicles and a lot of pickup/technicals. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 13:38 utc | 6 I saw casualty estimates posted in the last open thread which were very favorable to Russia. However, if the very favorable ratios are not likely to be true then do not share what is likely false information. Our collective goal is to help Russia. We are not helping Russia by sustaining false information. If the number of Ukrainian combat casualties is for instance only 2x to Russian combat casualties which would be pessimistic for the Russian war effort then it should be discussed in the open. If the current Russian strategy is not working then it has to change course. Without reliable estimates how is it possible to determine if the Russian strategy is working or not working? Posted by: calculation | Nov 6 2022 13:42 utc | 7 @ Wokechoke Posted by: GoFast | Nov 6 2022 13:49 utc | 8 The chaos and disjointed and confused tactical/logistical disaster of the Ukrainian forces under the advanced imaging and SAT intelligence is consistently being destroyed by the Russian forces. Russia has yet to deploy its most lethal conventional weaponry that the West is so desperate for Russia not deploying it because US/NATO are getting so frustrated for not knowing what else Russia has its arsenal of Russia’s most advanced defense weaponry. So far Ukraine and its entire anti-Russian coalition is getting their asses kicked big time. Because of the disastrous Ukrainian+USA+UK+Germany+Israel+EU+5-eyes countries are getting pretty beatings by the Russians. And this is the reason now the genocidal Pentagon is considering using Iraq deployed and failed “depleted Uranium” and “mini nuclear arsenal for the defeat of Ukraine is imminent and that is an unacceptable outcome for the uber Zionists hellbent to defeat Russia! Posted by: Allan Kaplan | Nov 6 2022 13:53 utc | 9 One might question the ability of Ukrainian Soldiers to change a tire (a wheel – a tire mounted on a rim) in the mud or generally otherwise. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 6 2022 13:59 utc | 10 A bunch of nukes with all the sats moving into position, they are going to spook Russia into striking first if this keeps going on. Posted by: OhhCanada | Nov 6 2022 14:06 utc | 11 A couple key quotes from the BBC: Posted by: Tom | Nov 6 2022 14:13 utc | 12 calculation | Nov 6 2022 13:42 utc | 7 Posted by: john | Nov 6 2022 14:13 utc | 13 The best I read till now is to divert acción and push out the yanquees out of siria where they are uninvited, threathening Israel, and they atole oil, very WebKit position Posted by: María Vaz | Nov 6 2022 14:20 utc | 14 reply to 7 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 6 2022 14:24 utc | 15 Sorry the errors, I repeat, I don’t know how to fix them. Posted by: María Vaz | Nov 6 2022 14:26 utc | 16 “Are the Russians capable of shuttering the Satellite observation systems?” Posted by: Dave_k | Nov 6 2022 14:33 utc | 17 There’s one mysterious angle to this whole situation and it centers around North Korea. Basically, anytime North Korea gets riled up enough about some US / SK war games or maneuvers the US always backs down. However, in the case of Russia the US seems to constantly ramp things up. In fact, there is no way the US /NATO would ever attack a North Korean bridge, its port, or sink one of its capital ships without expecting a full military retaliation from North Korea. Yet, in the case of Russia they done seem to care or expect payback. Is the US more afraid of North Korea then Russia ? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 6 2022 14:36 utc | 18 This is troubling, the tag is Sladkov’s and I check it on his TG and it’s there so would say it’s true. Mud or otherwise the Ukrainians or Poles or whatever still have a lot of fight in them. Cross posted with I think his comments from the TG – Victor, vicktop55 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 14:53 utc | 19 Posted by: Dave_k | Nov 6 2022 14:33 utc | 17 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 14:57 utc | 20 Concerning quotes and talk from the NRO this morning as regards increases in Satellite Recon vehicle total: Posted by: I Know Things | Nov 6 2022 14:59 utc | 21 Yet, in the case of Russia they done seem to care or expect payback. Is the US more afraid of North Korea then Russia ? Posted by: jpc | Nov 6 2022 15:02 utc | 22 cracks in Nato performance and morale appear. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 6 2022 15:06 utc | 23 jpc [22] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 6 2022 15:10 utc | 24 Our collective goal is to help Russia. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 6 2022 15:17 utc | 25 @Dave_k: I suppose such satellites (“particle beam weapon”) already exist. Used for WTC 911, California and other forest fires, attack on Crimean munitions depot…maybe the Moskva ship too. Probably somebody also manipulates weather in grand scale for geopolitical reasons, climate change hoax as a cover. Posted by: Synth | Nov 6 2022 15:22 utc | 26 ” Plus two allies would suffer enormous damages. Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Nov 6 2022 15:28 utc | 27 @19 Posted by: Anthony | Nov 6 2022 15:31 utc | 28 @ Deplorable Commisar | Nov 6 2022 15:28 utc | 27 re: Why does the US seem more afraid of NK then Russia ? Posted by: BigTex | Nov 6 2022 15:37 utc | 29 Russian marines of the 155th Brigade in Pavolvka have been taking staggering casualties and have written a letter that goes as follows (Source: https://t.me/vicktop55/8390 ):
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 6 2022 15:40 utc | 30 RT headline 6th November — Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 6 2022 15:42 utc | 31 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 14:57 utc | 20
It is true. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 6 2022 15:45 utc | 32 ” This is nothing more than a conclusory allegation. How would one attempt to engage such an ill-contrived thought of yours? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 6 2022 15:53 utc | 33 It is true. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 6 2022 15:55 utc | 34 ZH has a posting up about the Kakhovka hydroelectric dam in southern Ukraine being hit.
The posting then goes on to write about Z
So just how did Russia get 6 HIMAR rockets to fire at the dam? I know, minor details…. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 6 2022 15:59 utc | 35 @ Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 6 2022 15:53 utc | 33 Posted by: BigTex | Nov 6 2022 16:04 utc | 36 @ psychohistorian | Nov 6 2022 15:59 utc | 35 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 6 2022 16:09 utc | 37 Pepe Escobar has another posting up at The Cradle linked below with lots of detail
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 6 2022 16:10 utc | 38 There’s now 2 chemical tankers, “Mainland” and “Brave”, off Odessa, they seem to be idling or anchored. Yesterday Champion Pula was at Yuzhne port. Obviously they are transporting fuel to be used in the Kherson front yet allowed free travel. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 16:22 utc | 39 Russia has maneuverable “inspector satellites” whose capabilities are unknown but they can maneuver to other satellites orbit. Posted by: Dave_k | Nov 6 2022 16:24 utc | 40 Biswapriya Purkayast @ 30
No Konev or Chuikov either, or Molotv and hate to say it, Stalin. These people knew what they were facing, from all sides, friends and enemies, they never let down their guard before, during, or after the war. Seems Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu, maybe Surovikin have to relearn every thing from scratch. Looking at history seems it takes about two years for a military, on both sides, to shake out the dead wood and get on with the real war. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 16:38 utc | 41 DC@#18 Posted by: Parfum | Nov 6 2022 16:44 utc | 42 unimperator @ 39
…and not shooting down any Global Hawks anywhere over the Black Sea international waters be damned. They need a little bit of that GW Bush cowboy “bring it on bravado”. Maybe Mr. Bravado Medvedev should be in charge? Maybe it’s all 8th dimensional Twister judo plotted out in mystic secret btwn RF China Iran and the Saudies under the Get Smart “Cone of Silence.” Multipolar world victory will blindside us all. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 16:49 utc | 43 @ Parfum | Nov 6 2022 16:44 utc | 42 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 6 2022 16:51 utc | 44 calculation @7 <-- A silly poster who thinks the Russian high command lurks in the dark corners of the bar eavesdropping for strategy ideas. How foolish!
“Our collective goal is to help Russia.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 6 2022 16:51 utc | 45 B9k9 @ 25
Good post. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 16:55 utc | 46 @ Biswapriya Purkayast Posted by: crazycanuck | Nov 6 2022 17:00 utc | 47 crazycanuck @ 47 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 17:19 utc | 48 A HIMARS warhead is 200 lbs (91 kg). Posted by: Acco Hengst | Nov 6 2022 17:28 utc | 49 Several posters have called for Russia to “end it,” but an “end” can come about only with the concurrence of the US government. Yet I’m not sure what situation in Ukraine would induce the US government to abandon its goal of destroying Russia. And even if such a situation could occur in principle, it would need to be determined whether Russia could feasibly expend the resources to bring it about. Posted by: David Levin | Nov 6 2022 17:33 utc | 50 @calculation #7 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 6 2022 17:43 utc | 51 No negotiations. Those will only be stalling tactics by the US/UK. Total victory is the only way. Anything else will eventually result in Russian disaster. One side or the other is going to lose everything. Sad but true, I think. Posted by: Leroy | Nov 6 2022 17:55 utc | 52 @B9k9 | Nov 6 2022 15:06 utc | 23 Posted by: OttoE | Nov 6 2022 18:00 utc | 53 @48 Posted by: Anthony | Nov 6 2022 18:02 utc | 54 Concerning “shooting down” satellites. Posted by: I Know Things | Nov 6 2022 18:02 utc | 55 Can someone with knowledge of “satellite technology” perhaps test my theory? Posted by: 600w | Nov 6 2022 18:06 utc | 56 Deplorably Dumb Commissar has switched his “concern” from Russian volunteer rates to a sudden interest in North Korea. If you are trying to troll this Ukraine thread, I suggest you try a new one, or better yet, stick it in your ear. XXO. Posted by: Zed | Nov 6 2022 18:08 utc | 57 @GoFast #8 that is IF they have those weapons systems and IF they got the balls to use them. I have my doubts on both after watching this war the past 8 months. Russia is using drones to drop almost by hand, anti-personnel ordnance. GLONASS is good i guess. They can shoot bus sized un-maneuverable soviet era sats in a predictable orbit, can they kinetically hit starlink sats that are the size of an amazon delivery box? can they visually blind the entire 1000 strong starlink fleet? hack the entire network? I have my doubts. Posted by: jayco | Nov 6 2022 18:13 utc | 58 Posted by: 600w | Nov 6 2022 18:06 utc | 56 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 18:20 utc | 59 ZH Posted by: Battenmountain | Nov 6 2022 18:28 utc | 60 Regarding Meloni last week she spent a two day retreat at Draghi’s house. Unheard of, typical is a retreat with members of your own coalition to put together your cabinet. It’s like Trump winning and spending two days in Obama’s house before getting to work on his own administration. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 18:42 utc | 61 “Forever war” is not a one-sided thing. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 6 2022 18:42 utc | 62 @60 battenmountain Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 6 2022 19:12 utc | 63 At the moment it appears that Russia is performing “Maskirovka” on the Kherson front Posted by: Athanasios | Nov 6 2022 19:30 utc | 64 Evacuations as Ukrainian forces fire missiles at dam damaging it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 6 2022 19:36 utc | 65 @Posted by: unimperator | Nov 6 2022 14:57 utc | 20 Posted by: FVK | Nov 6 2022 19:47 utc | 66 That’s why I believe that after the electoral blowout next week, the Ukraine spigot will bev turned off. Posted by: polarbear4 | Nov 6 2022 19:49 utc | 67 Is it possible that peace talks might be on the cards. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 6 2022 19:52 utc | 68 Posted by: jayco | Nov 6 2022 18:13 utc | 58 Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 6 2022 19:59 utc | 69
As far as I understand the US administration if advising Kiev to give the impression of being open to negotiations, in order to keep the support of countries from the rest of the world. Posted by: Ronald Portier | Nov 6 2022 20:02 utc | 70 US is still in Syria stealing oil. Posted by: Sockpup | Nov 6 2022 20:06 utc | 71 @ I Know Things #21 Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 6 2022 20:09 utc | 72 jpc [22] Posted by: jpc | Nov 6 2022 20:20 utc | 73 Looks like the novelty has worn off: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Nov 6 2022 20:21 utc | 74 @ Biswapriya Purkayast Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 6 2022 20:30 utc | 75 Why does the US seem more afraid of NK then Russia ? Posted by: jpc | Nov 6 2022 20:30 utc | 76 “Ukraine fatigue” is a story line created by the bidens to get votes. It’s shelf life ends November 9. Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Nov 6 2022 20:47 utc | 77 B9k9 | Nov 6 2022 18:42 utc | 62 Posted by: OttoE | Nov 6 2022 20:47 utc | 78 [9] Russia has yet to deploy its most lethal conventional weaponry Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 6 2022 20:49 utc | 79 [38] So in this respect, it is a game-changer. Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 6 2022 20:59 utc | 80 @Brother Ma #69 youre right i have no doubt the russians have very creative ways to sort of close the tech gap and defeat a lot of that gap by simple creativty, us relies too much on complicated bullshit technology, HOWEVER, as far as defeating an entire fleet of say 1000 550 pound pallet sized satellites in the starlink constellation, im really not sure russia can do that, despite the very good russian porpoganda against my point, do russians have lasers and what have you, and hackers and super advanced weapons??? their marketing says so, FOR SURE ANDRE MARTYANOV SAYS SO! …haha.. Posted by: jayco | Nov 6 2022 21:21 utc | 81 @80 Posted by: anthony | Nov 6 2022 21:30 utc | 82 @ Republicofscotland | Nov 6 2022 19:52 utc | 68 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 6 2022 21:44 utc | 83 joe biden and the geniuses in power right now have banned “smart” us citizens from working in chieeeena! in SOFTWARE lol AS IF asians slavs and west asians cant code without mit caltech douchebags. joe should put the kamal on a “learn to code”(bichezzz) tour Posted by: but SHIB | Nov 6 2022 21:46 utc | 84 Of the neatrly 5,000 satelites in orbit. usa has nearly 3,000.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/264472/number-of-satellites-in-orbit-by-operating-country/&ved=2ahUKEwjGhKWoyJr7AhUz7TgGHaZDCXoQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0SypIcDWIYSCTv54nCfUXg Posted by: hankster | Nov 6 2022 22:11 utc | 85 calculation | Nov 6 2022 13:42 utc | 7 Posted by: Haassaan | Nov 6 2022 22:13 utc | 86 ” [9] Russia has yet to deploy its most lethal conventional weaponry Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 6 2022 22:16 utc | 87 Why does the US seem more afraid of NK then Russia ? Posted by: Haassaan | Nov 6 2022 22:29 utc | 88 ” Simply put. Posted by: Deplorable Commisar | Nov 6 2022 22:31 utc | 89 ” If you think USA is more afraid of NK, than it would “seem” your cognitive abilities are poor. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Nov 6 2022 22:35 utc | 90 Can anyone provide reliable information on the situation regarding General Alexander Lapin? The western media is claiming that he has been sacked for his “failure” to hold the Kharkiv region of Ukraine back in September. There are even stories claiming that his body was found in a river in Russia. All of this seems fake, but it has been actively promoted by AAP and Reuters, and amplified across multiple western media outlets. Posted by: Rousillon | Nov 6 2022 22:51 utc | 91 on yesterdays musk thread. today comes probably something that would give everyone a giggle. Posted by: hankster | Nov 6 2022 23:13 utc | 92 @90 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 6 2022 23:23 utc | 93 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 6 2022 17:19 utc | 48 Posted by: Peter Williams | Nov 6 2022 23:32 utc | 94 @ hankster Posted by: malenkov | Nov 6 2022 23:33 utc | 95 @ hankster | Nov 6 2022 23:13 utc | 92 with the musk report of doubling the pronoun they/them folks account verification cost for Twitter….LOL!!! Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 6 2022 23:43 utc | 96 Posted by: Parfum | Nov 6 2022 16:44 utc | 42
Nay, my good sir, a “squirt gun” is the ide Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 7 2022 0:02 utc | 97 Posted by: but SHIB | Nov 6 2022 21:46 utc | 84
It’s been years since I’ve seen a yanqui or limey coding. They’re all “agile coaches”, “developer advocates ” or “product owners” overseeing hordes of Chinese and Indian coders via zoom … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2022 0:02 utc | 98 Bloody hell !
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 7 2022 0:06 utc | 99 ,I guess by now many will have raed Grayzone’s expose Leaked documents: British spies constructing secret terror army in Ukraine which details by way of a leaked document tranche, the efforts of a cadre of englander former military especially navy special boat service & intelligence ‘hi flyers’ to grab some of that lovely cash floating about since amerika foolishly decided to blow it’s tax revenue on blowing up roads & bridges in the Ukraine rather than building roads & bridges in amerika. Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 7 2022 0:14 utc | 100 |
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