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November 2, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-189
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Slavyangrad is making a claim that, beyond any agreement, shipping grain is a real problem because electricity is needed for the loading. Haven’t seen anyone discuss that issue. Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 3 2022 0:14 utc | 101 @engish outsider. Posted by: Sam | Nov 3 2022 0:28 utc | 102 @78 Flying Dutchman Posted by: Uwe | Nov 3 2022 1:11 utc | 103 Biswapriya Purkayast #6 etc. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 3 2022 3:25 utc | 104 Uwe #112 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 3 2022 3:34 utc | 105 typepad.. still messed up, but different now… reading page one, i can only get to post 50 something… can’t read the bottom half of the 100 comments! jesus.. Posted by: james | Nov 3 2022 3:47 utc | 106 @Vragtes 75
What a ridiculous response. That’s not what Sykes said. Are you too stupid to understand? He said Mercouris pretends to have been AWARE at the time (i.e. the 1960’s) that events happened and he ‘analyzed’ them then – as a boy. Do you get it now? Posted by: passerby | Nov 3 2022 4:44 utc | 107 Uwe | Nov 3 2022 1:12 utc | 113 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 3 2022 4:48 utc | 108
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18310 Posted by: Down South | Nov 3 2022 5:15 utc | 109
M. K. Bhadrakumar Posted by: Down South | Nov 3 2022 5:23 utc | 110
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18319 Posted by: Down South | Nov 3 2022 5:24 utc | 111 Breaking news, Nato has sent donated blood to Ukraine with a proportion of the cans containing HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C. 6.3%, 7.4% and 3.2% in the first and 5.9%, 6.8% and 3.1% in the second batch, respectively. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 3 2022 9:33 utc | 112 Scott Ritter rheams Jamie Raskin and deservedly so. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 3 2022 9:49 utc | 113 To all those who are commenting on the lack of a Congressional Declaration of War, please note that this is not a purely American phenomenon. As far as I know not a single member state of the United Nations has issued a formal declaration of war since the end of World War 2. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2022 9:50 utc | 114 Uwe | Nov 3 2022 1:11 utc | 104 Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 3 2022 10:15 utc | 115 I think this an excellent credible analysis worth reading/considering, keeping in mind.
Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 3 2022 10:17 utc | 116 From Sputniknews:
The UK should really feel the pressure by now. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2022 12:33 utc | 117 Pepe Escobar writes
I don’t believe it until I see it, but it would be excellent news if true. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2022 13:20 utc | 118 Schiltz goes to China to ask them to sanction Russia or to kiss their butts to move German companies needing cheap energy to China. If they don’t move now and save them, they’ll be replaced by US or bought for nothing soon. Considering Germany’s involvement in Taiwan independence talks, they’ll have to give a lot in exchange. Posted by: rk | Nov 3 2022 13:35 utc | 119 RE:(extract from The Saker) NATO escalates (again) and achieves nothing (again) Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Nov 3 2022 13:37 utc | 120 RE:(extract from The Saker) NATO escalates (again) and achieves nothing (again) Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Nov 3 2022 13:40 utc | 121 Delivery of Turkish Bayraktar drones to Ukraine ends:
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2022 13:40 utc | 122 RE:(extract from The Saker) NATO escalates (again) and achieves nothing (again) Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Nov 3 2022 13:44 utc | 123 The Russians appear to confirm the “It’s done” text message from Liz Truss
We then have to assume that the Russians can prove the existence and origin of the “It’s done” message and much more… Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2022 13:50 utc | 124 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 2 2022 18:17 utc | 81
Well done Hack. Posted by: Julian | Nov 3 2022 15:46 utc | 125 Re: Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 3 2022 13:50 utc | 126 Posted by: Julian | Nov 3 2022 15:53 utc | 126 From TASS, an article containing quotes from the 3 November Ministry of Defense briefing on Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine. Posted by: David Levin | Nov 3 2022 17:20 utc | 127
I share your skepticism. If Scholz wanted a peace deal with Russia, I’m not sure why would it be necessary or beneficial to involve Beijing. It would seem that recent events have given Germany and Russia sufficient common ground to work out a peace deal themselves. Posted by: David Levin | Nov 3 2022 17:39 utc | 128 [128] Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 3 2022 18:19 utc | 129 @ Bill Smith | Nov 3 2022 18:19 utc | 130 Posted by: james | Nov 3 2022 21:54 utc | 130 Thieves Paradise in Kiev – IMF Admits It Doesn’t Know How Much Ukraine Has Received of $35 Billion in Promised Foreign Cash or Where the Money Was Spent. Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 3 2022 23:38 utc | 131 Irish STATE broadcaster,RTE, who unthinkingly follows the “line” of NATO and the EU with the devotion and zeal that would make 1930’s Stalinist party discipline look positively relaxed, continues to advance the ludicrous theory that the Zaporozhye nuclear power station is now off the grid as a direct result of being shelled by the Russian army, whilst simultaneously in the same report (with no apparent trace of embarrassment or even curiosity at this bizarre notion) stating that the plant is “in Russian hands”, though “staffed by “Ukrainian workers”. Perhaps they are working on the assumption that only a tiny minority of the Irish public will even raise an eyebrow at this assertion, that the Russian military, who have the power station in ‘their hands’ nevertheless shells themselves. I have begun to give up hope in the ability of the Western public to question any of the propoganda being peddled in their media about Russia and the conflict in Ukraine, not only do they not question its assumptions, they do not even attempt to note the evidently nonsensical aspects of the narratives being advanced in the constant torrent of pro-Ukraine reportage. Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Nov 3 2022 23:50 utc | 132 Irish STATE broadcaster,RTE, who unthinkingly follows the “line” of NATO and the EU with the devotion and zeal that would make 1930’s Stalinist party discipline look positively relaxed, continues to advance the ludicrous theory that the Zaporozhye nuclear power station is now off the grid as a direct result of being shelled by the Russian army, whilst simultaneously in the same report (with no apparent trace of embarrassment or even curiosity at this bizarre notion) stating that the plant is “in Russian hands”, though “staffed by “Ukrainian workers”. Perhaps they are working on the assumption that only a tiny minority of the Irish public will even raise an eyebrow at this assertion, that the Russian military, who have the power station in ‘their hands’ nevertheless shells themselves. I have begun to give up hope in the ability of the Western public to question any of the propoganda being peddled in their media about Russia and the conflict in Ukraine, not only do they not question its assumptions, they do not even attempt to note the evidently nonsensical aspects of the narratives being advanced in the constant torrent of pro-Ukraine reportage. RTE news : Russian official signals new retreat in south Ukraine Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Nov 3 2022 23:52 utc | 133 Irish STATE broadcaster,RTE, who unthinkingly follows the “line” of NATO and the EU with the devotion and zeal that would make 1930’s Stalinist party discipline look positively relaxed, continues to advance the ludicrous theory that the Zaporozhye nuclear power station is now off the grid as a direct result of being shelled by the Russian army, whilst simultaneously in the same report (with no apparent trace of embarrassment or even curiosity at this bizarre notion) stating that the plant is “in Russian hands”, though “staffed by “Ukrainian workers”. Perhaps they are working on the assumption that only a tiny minority of the Irish public will even raise an eyebrow at this assertion, that the Russian military, who have the power station in ‘their hands’ nevertheless shells themselves. I have begun to give up hope in the ability of the Western public to question any of the propoganda being peddled in their media about Russia and the conflict in Ukraine, not only do they not question its assumptions, they do not even attempt to note the evidently nonsensical aspects of the narratives being advanced in the constant torrent of pro-Ukraine reportage. RTE news : Russian official signals new retreat in south Ukraine Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Nov 3 2022 23:52 utc | 134 Irish STATE broadcaster,RTE, who unthinkingly follows the “line” of NATO and the EU with the devotion and zeal that would make 1930’s Stalinist party discipline look positively relaxed, continues to advance the ludicrous theory that the Zaporozhye nuclear power station is now off the grid as a direct result of being shelled by the Russian army, whilst simultaneously in the same report (with no apparent trace of embarrassment or even curiosity at this bizarre notion) stating that the plant is “in Russian hands”, though “staffed by “Ukrainian workers”. Perhaps they are working on the assumption that only a tiny minority of the Irish public will even raise an eyebrow at this assertion, that the Russian military, who have the power station in ‘their hands’ nevertheless shells themselves. I have begun to give up hope in the ability of the Western public to question any of the propoganda being peddled in their media about Russia and the conflict in Ukraine, not only do they not question its assumptions, they do not even attempt to note the evidently nonsensical aspects of the narratives being advanced in the constant torrent of pro-Ukraine reportage. RTE news : Russian official signals new retreat in south Ukraine Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Nov 3 2022 23:52 utc | 135 Ireland’s state broadcaster RTÉ, arguably the most rigid adherent to the NATO ‘party line’ in the Western media continues, with a straight face, to promote the idea that Russia is shelling the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power station, which it acknowledges, en passant, is in “Russian Hands”. Thus suggesting the Russian Army are shelling themselves. Is there some unknown prize for the biggest lie to be advanced to the seemingly infinitely gullible viewers of the western worlds mainstream media which we are all unaware of? RTE news : Russian official signals new retreat in south Ukraine Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Nov 4 2022 0:35 utc | 136 @Julian | Nov 3 2022 15:46 utc | 126 Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 4 2022 0:38 utc | 137 @ Julian | Nov 3 2022 15:46 utc | 126 Posted by: james | Nov 4 2022 1:07 utc | 138 I don’t often offer predictions, but it’s come to a point that’s hard to resist. Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 4 2022 1:55 utc | 139 @ SeanAU | Nov 4 2022 1:55 utc | 140 Posted by: james | Nov 4 2022 4:14 utc | 140 🇺🇦⚡️Fire broke out in the service center of the energy company DTEK in Kiev – Ukrainian media Posted by: unimperator | Nov 4 2022 8:47 utc | 141 Last evening, there were news of a Norwegian tanker “Champion Pula” heading towards Yuzhne port in Ukraine. There have been no news since, but it’s easily assumed it was carrying fuel and it has been allowed to unload? They might have been able to hit any pipe and hose connections during unloading which could have spread and burned the tanker along it, without directly hitting the tanker. It takes quite a while to unload a tanker. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 4 2022 9:15 utc | 142 Lancet drones hit 2 American M109 Paladin self propelled howitzers and 1 relatively large mobile radar station. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 4 2022 10:40 utc | 143 reply to 140 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 4 2022 12:15 utc | 144 And stop posting “test posts”. Say something useful, post it once, and then STFU. Posted by: RiNS | Nov 5 2022 21:42 utc | 145 |
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