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November 1, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-187
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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America has anounced that th B61 nuclear bomb is being fitted with guidance fins, its now a “smart” nuke Posted by: Wazdaka | Nov 1 2022 6:58 utc | 1 “It was easy pickings for the made men of the neoliberal syndicate because the ex-communist leaders were mostly eager to get rich, but mostly didn’t have the connections in the capitalist world to pull it off. The pillaging by the neoliberal elites in partnerships with local oligarchs and criminals was then abruptly blocked by what is now seen by them as the real life Keyser Söze, the devil incarnate. When they saw their plans for the future of the world crumbling with China and Russia creating a new economic order — just like if you take a toy from a child — they got very angry and are now throwing a tantrum.” From Whom the Gods Would Destroy They First Make Mad Posted by: Kali El | Nov 1 2022 7:05 utc | 2 Putin as Keyser Söze! Love it. However, in reality he is more like a warrior monk. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 1 2022 7:11 utc | 3 Anyone want to start a betting pool on the date the ground freezes hard enough for the Russian tanks to start rolling? Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 1 2022 7:12 utc | 4 Wheat prices surge after Russia pulls out of Ukraine grain deal, fueling fears of ‘catastrophic’ global consequences Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 7:12 utc | 5 Syrian Girl Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 7:16 utc | 6 American general: the US doesn’t have air defense systems for Ukraine Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 7:19 utc | 7 @6 Mellencamp Posted by: bobzibub | Nov 1 2022 7:31 utc | 8 Anyone want to start a betting pool on the date the ground freezes hard enough for the Russian tanks to start rolling? Posted by: Lucci | Nov 1 2022 7:39 utc | 9 4: ”Anyone want to start a betting pool on the date the ground freezes hard enough for the Russian tanks to start rolling?” Posted by: Rootman | Nov 1 2022 8:01 utc | 10 Pasting from https://braveneweurope.com newsletter Posted by: Diagonal | Nov 1 2022 8:02 utc | 11 I found Ganesh Prasad’s Tweet useful for providing two informative links: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 7:16 utc | 6 Posted by: Lapin | Nov 1 2022 8:22 utc | 13 > Posted by: Wazdaka | Nov 1 2022 6:58 utc | 1 Posted by: John Dowser | Nov 1 2022 8:26 utc | 14 From Telegram Slavyangrad: Posted by: Lapin | Nov 1 2022 8:55 utc | 15 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63458641 Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 9:05 utc | 16 Big Serge @witte_sergei Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 10:18 utc | 17 does anyone have any information on what is true about the success reports from Kyiv regarding the German IRIS AD system? Posted by: njet | Nov 1 2022 10:29 utc | 18 Lapin | Nov 1 2022 8:22 utc | 13 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 10:34 utc | 19 America has anounced that th B61 nuclear bomb is being fitted with guidance fins, its now a “smart” nuke Posted by: Spanky | Nov 1 2022 10:34 utc | 20 marko | Nov 1 2022 9:05 utc | 16 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 10:35 utc | 21 Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 9:05 utc | 16 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 1 2022 10:39 utc | 22 Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 10:18 utc | 17
That’s good, but has he also gotten rid of the fraudulent use of “Russian state-affiliated media” for any journalist not parroting the imperial party line, and similar fraudulent “misinformation”-type labels? Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 1 2022 10:39 utc | 23 Posted by: njet | Nov 1 2022 10:29 utc | 18
Yes. All lies. Posted by: Jax | Nov 1 2022 10:41 utc | 24 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 10:35 utc | 21 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 1 2022 10:44 utc | 26 Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 9:05 utc | 16 Posted by: Martina | Nov 1 2022 10:53 utc | 27 Ukraine says 12 ships loaded with grain left its Black Sea ports on Monday, despite Russia’s withdrawal from a key deal facilitating exports. Posted by: Hankster | Nov 1 2022 11:15 utc | 28 Posted by: Hankster | Nov 1 2022 11:15 utc | 28 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 1 2022 11:26 utc | 29 “This should actually be the moment of building back better…” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 11:29 utc | 30 Summarizing several other sources Russia ending support for the grain deal might not have any effect in the short term, but three significant differences medium term: Posted by: Marvin | Nov 1 2022 11:44 utc | 31 The West is not thinking about nuclear war because Russia is so weak. It considers going nuclear because its own weakness. The stronger Russia is, the higher that danger. Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 11:55 utc | 32 @William Gruff #30 Posted by: Tim | Nov 1 2022 12:06 utc | 33 4 Anyone want to start a betting pool on the date the ground freezes hard enough for the Russian tanks to start rolling? Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 1 2022 12:18 utc | 34
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17889 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 12:21 utc | 35
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17650 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 12:29 utc | 36 Agree that Russia now starts to hit Odessa as before the grain deal and show that without their say so nothing happens in the Black Sea. Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 1 2022 12:39 utc | 37 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 12:21 utc | 35 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2022 12:45 utc | 38 Marvin | Nov 1 2022 11:44 utc | 31 Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 12:58 utc | 39 Wheat prices surge after Russia pulls out of Ukraine grain deal, fueling fears of ‘catastrophic’ global consequences Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 1 2022 13:01 utc | 40 “What on earth are you talking about?” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 13:19 utc | 41 …. If (If) the Russians have been privy to her comms for a year……. Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 13:19 utc | 42
Cookie Nuland joined the ranks of universal celebrities with her infamous F*ck the EU, painful intercourse that was successfully accomplished as of today, and ongoing. So if Nuland with top connections with the deeper swamp was hacked, so much so illiterate Truss whose greatest qualification consists of riding on battle tanks, or less voluminous beings. Posted by: Paco | Nov 1 2022 13:35 utc | 43
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 13:19 utc | 42
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https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1587434323669835776 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 14:09 utc | 45 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 13:19 utc | 42 Posted by: kfq215 | Nov 1 2022 14:17 utc | 46
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/7903 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 14:30 utc | 47 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 13:19 utc | 42 Posted by: Down South | Nov 1 2022 14:37 utc | 48 @Diagonal | Nov 1 2022 8:02 utc | 11
Another poster with an agenda to sell. Yeah… the “most urgent” off-topic “problem” comes late in a long post. Sure. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 1 2022 14:49 utc | 49 @Diagnol11 Posted by: FrankDrakman | Nov 1 2022 14:55 utc | 50 @Diagonal 11 Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 1 2022 14:55 utc | 51 reply to 48 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 1 2022 15:02 utc | 52
I doubt that the Russian offensive will come quickly. Posted by: Tuk | Nov 1 2022 15:03 utc | 53 @Diagonal #11 Posted by: S | Nov 1 2022 15:12 utc | 54 11: “The truly most urgent problem facing us, climate breakdown, has been pushed from the agenda” Nuclear bombs these days are all post apocalypse used to finish off anything left standing. Most of the old cold war bombers have been converted to missile platforms like the RF TU160 and TU95 as a way to launch missiles from a safe (enough) distance to shorten arrival time and avoid the ballistic arc needed to plot anti-missile defense. So, the USA is just puffing its chest for its public or they are prepping for the post apocalypse they’re convinced they have already won. Crazy mad adults with the minds of children. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 1 2022 15:25 utc | 56 @Wazdaka 1 Posted by: Hermit | Nov 1 2022 15:43 utc | 57 @Kali El 2 Posted by: Hermit | Nov 1 2022 15:49 utc | 58 Diagonal @ 11: Posted by: Paul Spencer | Nov 1 2022 15:54 utc | 59 #56 Hmm, mostly as a wild guess I would think that the Russians will wait even longer/go slower now and much longer than they likely would have before they decided to counterattack with missiles against the energy infrastructure. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 16:02 utc | 61 Or maybe I’m bluffing 🙂 (double, triple, quadruple, five-fold (?) …). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 16:11 utc | 62 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 16:02 utc | 60
So they can infiltrate the power structure and come back ten times more lethal in 50 years? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2022 16:14 utc | 63 OdessaConnected | Nov 1 2022 14:55 utc | 50 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Nov 1 2022 16:16 utc | 64 In attempting to post on the link above for the ‘other issues’ thread, I find the page beginning with ‘200’ numbered comments is closed. There is no submission form at the bottom of the page, so I did go to the previous page, which had one. I submitted my comment, and got ‘your comment has been received’ on it, but when I checked the final page, and rechecked later, it is not there, and the thread remains closed. Posted by: juliania | Nov 1 2022 16:17 utc | 65 To Canuck , #54 Posted by: Philip H Gattey | Nov 1 2022 16:19 utc | 66 France or Germany to realize that the Americans are the enemy and the Russians are the friends. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 1 2022 16:23 utc | 67 Soon, US nuclear missiles shall be placed in Finland, 5 min flight to Moscow. Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 16:24 utc | 68 The mystic warriors of the Plains, the Lakota, thrown out from the Great Lakes by tribes fed up with their behavior. for cause , good cause, were expected to freeze starve and die on the heretofore uninhabited High Plains. Maybe they should have been offered Toronto. 😄But they didn’t. Posted by: Philip H Gattey | Nov 1 2022 16:29 utc | 69 @ William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 11:29 utc | 30 Posted by: james | Nov 1 2022 16:40 utc | 70 OdessaConnected #50 and others Posted by: Tim | Nov 1 2022 16:50 utc | 71 ⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (1 November 2022)⚡️ Posted by: Summary | Nov 1 2022 16:50 utc | 72
The first part is most certainly correct, the second part only partially. I think a fair statement would be: Climate change is partly natural and partly man-made. The amount of the human contribution can be debated. Posted by: Tuk | Nov 1 2022 16:58 utc | 73 He was suggesting that we reduce our energy consumption. No rational person can have any argument with that. Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 1 2022 17:09 utc | 74 As MoA was down for at least two days for me,South EU, maybe I have posted at the old thread where no one reads anymore. Posted by: stranger | Nov 1 2022 17:13 utc | 75 RT headline today – Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 1 2022 17:13 utc | 76 So if Russia gained intel regarding the Sebastopol attacks (before, during, or after), they might be less reticent to fully air those matters. Drone video from Orlyanka in Kupyansk direction… direct hit on BMP (?) and accompanying infantry group. Now multiply this by 30x per day. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 1 2022 17:36 utc | 78 Tim @71: “…suggesting that we reduce our energy consumption. No rational person can have any argument with that.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 18:09 utc | 79 @William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 18:09 utc | 79 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 1 2022 18:23 utc | 80
Why? Is energy consumption a sacred rite of industrialism? Shouldn’t we be ruthlessly criticizing traditions and imaginary friends with real feelings like “the global economy” rather than simply declaring them values and chasing after them like obsessive-compulsives? Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Nov 1 2022 18:26 utc | 81 sippy the shot glass @81: “Is energy consumption a sacred rite of industrialism?” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 18:50 utc | 82 William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 18:50 utc | 82 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Nov 1 2022 19:03 utc | 83 Quote left out to protect the innocent 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 19:14 utc | 84 sippy the shot glass @83 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 19:23 utc | 85 @ Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 18:50 utc | 82 Posted by: fnord | Nov 1 2022 19:37 utc | 86 I don’t seem to be able to post my full reply on Truss, so thanks to everyone for their feedback, agreed that a cloud hack is very plausible but I do wonder “why now?” Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 19:46 utc | 87 fnord @86 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 20:00 utc | 88 William Gruff @79 This discussion belongs on the general thread. My reply to you is there. Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2022 20:03 utc | 89 Philip H Gattey@66 Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2022 20:08 utc | 90 Ukraine’s military has suffered a serious degradation of capabilities due to the recent strikes by Moscow’s forces, the Russian Defense Ministry stated on Tuesday. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 1 2022 20:40 utc | 91 Elmagnostic @ 76
“Don’t cross our red lines” Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 1 2022 20:46 utc | 92 bevin @90 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2022 20:51 utc | 93 Kumar is mistaken. The US is not punishing Russia. Russia is punishing the US. Posted by: Giyane | Nov 1 2022 21:27 utc | 94 Posted by: Paul Spencer | Nov 1 2022 15:54 utc | 59
Ftfy Posted by: t | Nov 1 2022 21:40 utc | 96 Dima says, there is a strong Ukrainian offensive in Kherson. Posted by: marko | Nov 1 2022 21:43 utc | 97 Too bad there isn’t a general thread at the moment and comments can only be a few sentences long. Control of energy flows is one of the primary reasons for the current conflict but is seldom discussed despite the efforts of myself and others. Basic question: Is the EU energy crisis due to sanctions or Russia’s SMO? Some alarmist weirdness now happening on TG that Iran will any minute strike KSA oilfields in reprisal for the mosque killing. I try not to cross post and cut and paste TG stuff that people here likely already know, that and that TG is mostly insular social media BS if not some sort of distraction/confusion psyops, but this if true is worrying, and if fake still interesting. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 1 2022 22:20 utc | 99 Will everyone please note that the Truss “It’s done” message to Blinken if real would’ve been sent long after her allegedly hacked iPhone was supposedly in custody? Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 1 2022 22:27 utc | 100 |
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