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Si tacuisses, …
Russian retreat from Kherson city sets stage for more hard combat
Washington Post – Nov 10, 2022
U.S. Army Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday night that 20,000 to 30,000 Russian forces remained on the western bank of the river and that it would take time for them to withdraw. But he, too, saw “initial indicators” that the retreat was underway, he said.
“This won’t take them a day or two,” Milley said, speaking at an event at the Economic Club of New York. “This is going to take them days and maybe even weeks to pull those forces south of that river.”
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The Ministry of Defense reported on the completion of the withdrawal of troops from Kherson
Kommersant (machine translation) – Nov 11, 2022
The Ministry of Defense reported that at 5:00 Moscow time, the transfer of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper was completed. As the agency clarifies, not a single piece of military equipment and weapons was left on the right bank.
The department reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried at night to disrupt the transportation of civilians and the transfer of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper. River crossings were hit five times by HIMARS rockets.
“All Russian military personnel crossed over, no losses of personnel, weapons, equipment and materiel of the Russian group were allowed,” the Ministry of Defense said.
@Bill Smith | Nov 12 2022 3:16 utc | 421
Apologies for my suspicious nature & tenor of my response. Too many bad experiences with trolls circular ‘back&forth’.
NASAMs/Aspides/MIM-23s are all ‘are different generations and designs’. To the best of my knowledge the other than the missiles, the AD systems comprising the battery are at best 1971 vintage tech, no subsequent upgrades, the missiles themselves were last through a Bloc upgrade 1978. Extremely unlikely any were manufactured later then ~1982 as they were scheduled for retirement/replacement, the only reason they were last in service with the Marines in 2002 before being mothballed, is, alas, the Marine Corps pretty much always gets last dibs, and hand-me-downs re materiel.
In effect, no matter where the MIM-23s are sourced from, Stateside War reserve obsolete stocks, or Spain/Italy/Norway, they will all be ’71-’78 vintage, or older !
The detection & targeting/engagement radars, and the active homing radar on the actual Hawk missile itself, would have little prospect of even detecting, let alone successfully targeting & tracking, small semi Stealth drones like RF Gerans, similarly Lankets, etc, as well as modern low flying cruise missiles. UAF has had extreme difficulty successfully engaging with ex soviet S300Ps, BUKs and OSAs, so MIM-23s, nah.
US/NATO forces have an assumptive Doctrine that they will always be operating under at least local air supremacy(1), and typically with theater Air Dominance(2) going back many decades. This is not the case with Ukraine, nor would it be the case if US/NATO entered the fray.
Russian and to a lesser extent Chinese, integrated, overlapping short, medium & long-range tactical, operational & strategic AD systems area coverage, are a ‘Dead Zone’.
This has led to a situ where all US/NATO doctrine, training and planning(operational & strategic) as well as fielded combat systems & materiel, is assumptive by default re 1 & 2. Apart from the fact most western AD systems are an afterthought & low priority, low quantity, again because of 1 & 2, they are also not much ‘chop’. If anyone can actually provide verified corroborated proof a Multi-million Patriot battery has ever successfully engaged and hit anything in actual combat other than a discarded missile booster, I would love to hear it. Empire got very cranky with SA recently for pulling on the leash and threatened and then removed their Patriots from the Kingdom. SA response ? Ho-hum.
This then leads to a wider issue, what happens if Empire ever enters into conventional conflict with either RF or PLA, or god forbid both ?
No air superiority/supremacy. Little effective actual AD for Empire ground combat formations, and worst of all, on call tactical air-support won’t be there re doctrine, planning and training. Oops.
Empire combat formations Battalion, Regiment, Brigade up have minimal integral AD(IIRC). Other than stingers, including vehicle mounted, which have already been proven far less effective in Ukraine than the RF Iglas. See 1 & 2.
Anyway, time for me to shutup.
Peace.
PS There is one derivative MIM-23 Hawk AD system that has been repeatedly redesigned, re-engineered & upgraded since 1979, including advanced doppler & targeting/engagement radars, missiles & engines, seekers & warheads, however one seriously doubts Iran will be willing to sell any to Ukraine or Empire … the desperate military necessity of Iran-Contra re Iran-Iraq war ’80-88 is long past. 😉
Posted by: Outraged | Nov 12 2022 4:13 utc | 417
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