Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 11, 2022
Si tacuisses, …

Russian retreat from Kherson city sets stage for more hard combat
Washington Post – Nov 10, 2022

U.S. Army Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday night that 20,000 to 30,000 Russian forces remained on the western bank of the river and that it would take time for them to withdraw. But he, too, saw “initial indicators” that the retreat was underway, he said.

“This won’t take them a day or two,” Milley said, speaking at an event at the Economic Club of New York. “This is going to take them days and maybe even weeks to pull those forces south of that river.”

The Ministry of Defense reported on the completion of the withdrawal of troops from Kherson
Kommersant (machine translation) – Nov 11, 2022

The Ministry of Defense reported that at 5:00 Moscow time, the transfer of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper was completed. As the agency clarifies, not a single piece of military equipment and weapons was left on the right bank.

The department reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried at night to disrupt the transportation of civilians and the transfer of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper. River crossings were hit five times by HIMARS rockets.

“All Russian military personnel crossed over, no losses of personnel, weapons, equipment and materiel of the Russian group were allowed,” the Ministry of Defense said.

Comments

Bhaddrakumar as an ex diplomat is very attuned to political speak. His article reinforces my belief that US and Russia have reached some form of agreement.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/biden-nods-to-compromise-in-ukraine/

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 21:29 utc | 301

Eighthman #112

Once the best contact lines are set, there will likely be more calls for ceasefire. This way Ukraine remains defiant and refuses to accept the borders but must stop fighting. How did the Korean War end? Likewise North and South Vietnam. To a degree, East and West Germany, too. It seems to be the American way.

Thank you for that provocative post.
Korean war ended when the USA objectives were defeated and it faced overwhelming military opposition. The division of Vietnam was a crude US ploy to try to freeze the conflict to its advantage and was the beginning of the next war phase when the USA was overwhelmingly defeated along with its vassal stooges in the south. Germany likewise was a USA ploy to freeze out the victors of WW2.
The ploy of dividing lines is unlikely in today’s world and Ukraine in particular. The eastern world is entirely fed up with yankeeism, the stakes are higher, the threatening and persistent encroachment of NATO (USA) to the east is now intolerable and has been called out and the terms of a cease fire spelled out by Russia in December 2021 > Freeze NATO borders at the 1992 position, withdraw and demolish all expansions and missile installations since that date. The world has had enough of USA gangsterism and warmongering that has severely impeded human progress and development in the interests of a tiny western minority.
Yankee go home. Is clear enough, I guess.
If Cuba can say it, then perhaps Russia and even China can do it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 21:30 utc | 302

@133 US: “Gates and Monsanto buy all the land, ”
Bayer bought Monsanto out in 2018. It doesn’t exist anymore.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 11 2022 21:32 utc | 303

This idea that the US and Russia have some sort of deal going – they had a deal before called Minsk II, which the Nazis refused to honour. Whatever ‘deal’ is arranged this time will meet a similar fate as the Ukros continue to bomb their own cities.
They are out of control maniacs.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 11 2022 21:33 utc | 304

World War 2 and the US Civil War were decided by the relative industrial strength of the powers. This is the number that matters:
US Budget (pre-Covid): 4.5 Trillion
US Support for Ukraine: 40 Billion
This is less than 1% of the US Budget. The US is more than capable of replacing what supplies are used simply by starting lines that Russia cannot attack.

I see no prospect the UAF will not be fully supported with equipment.

Posted by: NoWar | Nov 11 2022 21:09 utc | 295

Money created out of thin air by the Fed/Treasury does not equal more equipment. That game only works if foreign entities will accept the paper “promise to pay”. Something they are less likely to do with a $30 trillion debt overhang.
Much of the equipment supplied by the US/EU to date was taken out of mothballed stockpiles that were past their best-before dates, so they essentially cost the price of shipping, not what the Pentagon accountants pretend they are worth.
The newer equipment is useless without the manpower to operate it. Combine that with the mortality of the UAF and it means NATO has to enter the war if Russia is to be pushed back.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 11 2022 21:33 utc | 305

Russia builds layered defense structures starting from Dnieper left bank, all the way to Crimea. They also build defense structures in Svatovo-Kreminna axle. While many people may not understand it, they are important in the goal of achieving the de-militarization goal, considering the preference of UAF to be on attack motivated by their (so far yet) numerical superiority.
The only thing they really need to watch out for is ukie amphibious landing attempts, which will inevitably come west of Kherson in the peninsulas. Crimea at this point is a bridge too far for ukies, unless they really manage to advance, which they won’t. IMO, there is no deal with USA or Russia and certainly nothing regarding Kherson. UAF also tried to disrupt the withdrawal but were hampered by dense minefields and artillery fire from the left bank, and tactical defensive actions slowing them down.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 21:41 utc | 306

Peter AU1 #181
“Videos of Russian war crimes against civilians will start to emerge in the coming days.”
anti-spiegel.ru is reporting on the latest ‘atrocity’.
So far no war crime has come near the USA slaughter at My Lai or the use of agent orange against the born and unborn, or the depleted uranium war crimes in Iraq.
But then the Uke bio labs run by the pentagon and its nazi collaborators likely amount to one highly organised attempt at Slavic genocide.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 21:42 utc | 307

Chen Laoshi | Nov 11 2022 20:52 utc | 290
“Just answer one question: if the Ukies blows up the huge dam, how Russia can handle the concequences?”
1. We have no idea what the consequences would be since no one can give a straight answer on how much water still is behind the dam. Weeks ago we were told the Russians were slowly draining the reservoir. Well, is the water there or not? Or is it either there or not there depending upon the propaganda needs of the moment?
2. Let’s say the reservoir is full and the Ukrainians can blow the dam because out of some inexplicable extreme of negligence the Russians never secured the approaches to the dam. (Same for the ZNPP, BTW.)
In that case the bridgehead would hang on and muddle through for the day or two of flooding. It’s what soldiers at war do. Geez, one would think all the hundreds of war histories I’ve read describing soldiers holding onto their positions under much worse pressure than a few hours of flooding were just making it all up. How did the Russians ever hang onto Stalingrad? I guess you all are saying they just don’t make Russians the way they used to.
We Chinese are bystanders.
Indeed, fence-sitters who sometimes seem to want Russia and China to hang separately rather than hang together. That’s exactly the status quo the empire hopes will continue. Reminds me of how the Axis never were able or willing to coordinate strategy or the timing of action, whereas the western Allies from the beginning attained a tight coordination.
China of course is the empire’s ultimate target for destruction, far more than Russia. And here’s Russia fighting a hot war against your enemy, and there you are bystanders. China should initiate the inevitable shooting war now by taking Taiwan.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 11 2022 21:42 utc | 308

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 21:41 utc | 311
I’d also mention, defensive structures were also crucial in battle of Kursk and ensuing demilitarization of Germany. Even in the first year of that war, they were crucial in the long run.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 21:42 utc | 309

Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 11 2022 20:30 utc | 281
Newzak and newspeak.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 21:46 utc | 310

uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 21:30 utc | 307
There is a good few Chinese movies on youtube now on the Korean war and driving the yanks back from their borders. Mao’s son died in that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 21:49 utc | 311

@197 “How come we never see assaissinations of ukrainian leaders? Because Russia is afraid of waging a war they started.”
Your spelling and grammar are atrocious; worse, did you not know that the Ukraine army shelled the Donbass for 8 years (2014-2022)killing 13,000 Russian speaking civilians.
Yet “Russia”..”started a war”
You are too illiterate for anyone to pay you as a troll, so I assume you are a retard-that or a Russian girl broke your heart and you are bitter.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 11 2022 21:49 utc | 312

Oligarchs have no charisma; all they have is greed.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 11 2022 16:19 utc | 152
*****
You shine light right to the heart of the struggle.
All they have are their financiers, think tanks, schemers, fascists. Against their greed and hate are the Givis, the Motorolas, the Mozgovois, all who even in dying inspire the Resistance to fight on, for all the world to see. These are the ‘optics’ that matter.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Nov 11 2022 21:56 utc | 313

uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 21:42 utc | 312
Just a bing search. Pick the white helmets in Ukraine article of your choice. MI6 media productions company. Brand management and media marketing. I haven’t bothered to look at the white helmet video of cheering people welcoming the nazi’s into kherson.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=white+helmets+ukraine&form=OPRTSD&pc=OPER

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 21:57 utc | 314

Newzak and newspeak.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 21:46 utc | 315
Newzak und Neusprach

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 11 2022 22:00 utc | 315

Night Tripper | Nov 11 2022 21:33 utc | 309
Grow a brain and do some research before posting utter crap. US/UK were never part of either Minsk agreement. Effing knuckle draggers. Like Matyanov says – don’t know shit from shinola.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 22:01 utc | 316

I suspect that Russian thinks Europe understands Russia can turn off the lights and gas to Western Ukraine, and this will result in 10 million refugees to the EU, which will collapse the EU. This understanding would lead to the EU being reasonable and negotiating a peace settlement.
It’s a mistake Russia makes – they assume the EU is run by realists, since Russia is run by realists. However, the EU is run by ideologues, not realists.
So I think Russia will be forced to turn off the lights and gas to Western Ukraine, leading to a humanitarian catastrophe, leading to the surrender of Ukraine.

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Nov 11 2022 22:02 utc | 317

I really don’t think Russia or China sees its population as useless eaters. Modi maybe, Bolsonaro for sure 🙃
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 11 2022 19:38 utc | 256
Well, that’s one narrative out there, but they are both into digital currency and social credit, albeit China is farther ahead which is more what I was thinking. Along with far more authoritarian political systems possibly without two-party shenanigans too.
There are some things which seem to indicate coordination; and there are many things which don’t. Sometimes viewing things through the lens of nation states struggling or allying with each other makes sense; sometimes viewing things through the lens of interconnected global networks permeating finance, politics, commerce, industry etc. makes more sense. I think in the latter area there is more coordination and the former more struggle and separation.
And large powers have varied relationships of course. In some spheres they are cooperative and in others competitive and in others downright devious – all between the same two nations.
I haven’t paid much attention to the Reset business. If it’s a widespread narrative I assume it’s mainly lies. But it does feel to me like there is a managed decline-or-collapse scenario in play and it fits into that narrative. Most likely whatever it is will be quite different from the rhetoric. Kerry gave hints…
https://leohohmann.com/2022/11/10/john-kerry-spills-the-beans-at-u-n-s-cop27-meeting-they-want-to-replace-capitalism-with-a-new-economic-system/
In any case, Ukraine is clearly part of a larger geopolitical unfolding. And IF the Reset business is somewhat true, and IF it is globally coordinated in some ways, then it’s not beyond the pale that there are more shenanigans in the mix than generally perceived.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 22:08 utc | 318

@uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 21:30 utc | 307
Concur.
Re Korean War, after Empire ignored China’s warnings, MacArthurs troops continued their advance to the Chinese border, ‘home by christmas’ ?
The PVA (Chinese) crossed the Yalu river and in ~100 days crushed the Empire led UN (Western) nations troops and inflicted the longest military retreat in US history(IIRC), all the way back to the 38th Parallel.
PVA achieved this feat of arms against the full might of Empires Army, Navy & Airforce, Combined arms Divisions & air fleets, with total air supremacy as well as Arty fire supremacy, etc … Empire having only fought WWII 5 years earlier.
PVA did this with only small arms, mortars, very limited to no arty and even more limited shells, no armor, no Air force, no navy … and decrepit 18th century logistics.
There were no PVA ‘human waves’ and no overwhelming Chinese limitless hordes … a major peeve of mine re our propaganda & fictional history.
And here’s the kicker, PVA did this under the above circumstances in up to -35C(IIRC) conditions, on the offensive, with approximately the same number of deployed ground force troops (1 to 1) as Empire !?
The outcome today ? Another round today against 1st peer, Chinas current military, or Russia, or both combined, for that matter, given our arms materiel has been designed and manufactured for solely profit for decades, not combat effectiveness, utility or durability ?

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2022 22:09 utc | 319

Contrarian_Ed | Nov 11 2022 22:02 utc | 323
Russia has a good understanding of the so called European leaders. Some years back Putin termed them bobbling heads. After diplomatic talk, Lavrov is caught on a hot mike mumbling “Fucking morons”. Do some research and understand Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 22:13 utc | 320

I’ve been watching Christoforou, Mercouris and the Duran before the SMO, first time I’ve seen Christoforou sing the blues. He’s a bit discomposed which is odd too. He’s right that this would be the time for NATO to lift the veil and pour in troops, not to march on Russia but to freeze the line of contact. I pointed out that if the strikes on the electric grid stop that would indicate a deal of some sort, Christoforou notes that too. He says not a peace deal, not a truce, just a freeze along the line of contact Korea and Vietnam style. He thinks Russia might be forced to accept and then try and concentrate on the hybrid part. All I can say is good luck against perfidious Albion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Ee2SNvrxs

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 11 2022 22:13 utc | 321

The Russians literally have taken everything thing out of Kherson City, civilains, Soldiers, gear, Cultral heritage with no loss
whilst the Ukrainians after 10 failed offensives over months have lost thousands of men, hundreads of pieces of equipment and the Russian very little
In the last few hours every bridge on the Kerson bank has been destroyed by the Russians and we are 4 weeks away from 370,000 men inluding 40,000 Chechens and 200 – 250,000 troops in Belarus all moving in from 3 positional attacks from South to West with trains of equipment which has not stopped. And if the AFU think about entering beyond Kherson City the Russians are ready to level the city to dust. When the winter arrives and the ground freezes everything changes this will be Russia ENDING this war on its terms completely.

Posted by: Sam | Nov 11 2022 22:16 utc | 322

Statement from Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov:
“Kherson region is part of Russia, this status is fixed, and there can be no changes to it.”
This is a warning that reprisals against civilians still in Kherson will be regarded as crimes against Russian citizens. We can only hope the AFU and Kiev regime take heed.
Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 11 2022 11:07 utc | 10
Yeah, that won’t happen. They’ll murder every single pro-Russian in the area and blame it on Russia. Russia will threaten tribunals and all sorts of things but in the end they will just release all the Nazis like they did with Azovstal including actual Nazi commanders of the Ukrainian armed forces. That’s old news by now.
I wish Bernard would stop acting the apologist. Surovikin was appointed commander and the Ukrainians would get what was coming to them. I was looking forward to it, everyone was. Surprise, then Russia ran with its tail between its legs from Russian territory. Now I am one who thinks that Russia is nowhere close to reaching the limits of their conventional force, so the question is, why.
Are they blackmailed by threats of dirty bombs and the such? I’d take a page from the Western handbook and tell them to stop negotiating with terrorists.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:18 utc | 323

Flying Dutchman #313

China of course is the empire’s ultimate target for destruction, far more than Russia. And here’s Russia fighting a hot war against your enemy, and there you are bystanders. China should initiate the inevitable shooting war now by taking Taiwan.

China can wait. They are rapidly building self sufficiency in as many sanctioned areas of commerce possible. It will certainly maintain its current high pressure on the traitors in the Taiwan precinct government, but time is somewhat on its side. IMO that is why the USA ‘administration’ just ramped up the chip sanctions as they goad and goad and goad. Certainly China could swat the fly immediately but not until it lands on the table. In the Taiwan case it could be a USA warship or military freight plane that vanishes first.
If there is any lesson to take away from observing the Ukraine conflict, it is that the USA is intractably antagonistic, persistent and venomous and that can be best countered by one immediate, massive overwhelming maneuver that creates the fait accompli. Nothing less.
Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 11 2022 22:19 utc | 324

They would have been defeated already were it not for massive supplies of military from all of the West.
Posted by: Karl luck | Nov 11 2022 21:16 utc | 300
Fair point. But I think if Russia had been willing to play the game ‘shock and awe’ style the Ukies wouldn’t have lasted very long, Western aid or no.
Even recently they could have cut the power to Kiev altogether. But they don’t. They could bomb the main routes into Uk from Poland. They could disable the train systems. They don’t. Why not?
I doubt this is Russia or Putin being humanitarian as most argue. It’s a choice. In any case, cutting the power to Kiev during the summer wouldn’t cause instant death like fire-bombing would but it might throw the State into disarray and encourage mass exodus. In any case, they have not really been waging war, rather something else. An ‘SMO.’ For whatever reason.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 22:22 utc | 325

I doubt this is Russia or Putin being humanitarian as most argue. It’s a choice. In any case, cutting the power to Kiev during the summer wouldn’t cause instant death like fire-bombing would but it might throw the State into disarray and encourage mass exodus. In any case, they have not really been waging war, rather something else. An ‘SMO.’ For whatever reason.
Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 22:22 utc | 331
It’s almost like, for whatever reason, they don’t really want to win.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:24 utc | 326

That was quite the troll offensive. Similar is size and scope as during the pullback episode, I wonder what the intent really is?
They can’t possibility hope to even begin contributing to diminished morale, so perhaps it’s just already budgeted money being spent simply because it’s there.
As far as the daily “reality reminder” ™, Russia already won. And Russia will continue to win as long as this basic fact remains:
Government authority and territorial integrity remain intact.
Russia cannot be physically defeated; it would have to voluntarily accept occupation, dismemberment and resource plunder.
It would have to accept its boys nuts and daughters tits being surgically removed, the likes of Britney griner pitching consumer goods in 95% of all commercials, and the complete capitulation of all self respect and cultural pride.
All russia has to do is stand firm while the west slowly strangles from resource constraints, woke destruction and runaway inflation.

Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 11 2022 22:27 utc | 327

What’s up with posting evidence about UK’s involvement in the Sevastopol and NS bombings, like Russia’s ambassador to the UK said was to happen? Either Russia lied, they’re bribed, or they’re too scared to release it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:29 utc | 328

@318 Vintage Red and Juliania – I fully agree. Givi, Motorola, Zhakarchenko. I had never heard of Mozgovois. Thank you.
Here is a tribute to Givi. It gives me faith in humanity. It’s no wonder they whacked him. I find him to be quite charismatic. He resembles George Clooney, only he actually lived and died the life Hollywood tries to mimic with the shallow swill they splash on our screens.
Givi tribute

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 11 2022 22:30 utc | 329

All russia has to do is stand firm while the west slowly strangles from resource constraints, woke destruction and runaway inflation.
Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 11 2022 22:27 utc | 333
Russia doesn’t stand firm by running scared from Kherson and letting the Ukrainian Nazis massacre its loyal subjects.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:33 utc | 330

Over 5,000 Polish soldiers are transferred to the Zaporizhzhya and Ugledar fronts (caused by the loss of Pavlovka), after repeated Ukrainian defeats and the great crushing suffered by Kyiv. As WarNews247 revealed yesterday, the Russians no longer consider them mercenaries but regular units of the Polish Army.
Both regions will play a key and decisive role in the subsequent war developments in Ukraine. The Poles will try to organize offensive operations in Zaporizhzhya as the Ukrainian forces have suffered heavy losses.
In the videos presented by WarNews247, the Russians first mowed them down with Lancet-3 and KUB kamikaze drones, followed by raids by attack helicopters and Su-25 close support aircraft while we gathered the artillery with 2S7M Malka and Smerch MLRS systems.
The great defeat of the Ukrainians according to the newest information of WarNews247 took place on November 7. Only 20 tanks and half of the armored ones survived the Ukrainian attack wave.
We remind you that the Ukrainians attacked with 70 TOMB and TOMA, 40 T-72M1 and T-64BV tanks, about 20 BMP-1 and YPR-765 armored vehicles and 15 Turkish Kirpi armored vehicles.


https://seemorerocks.is/5000-polish-soldiers-are-transported-to-zaporizhzhya-and-ugledar-after-the-unprecedented-massacre-of-ukrainians/
Forget Kherson which is irrelevant, the real thing is going on in Ugledar, as told many times before.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:34 utc | 331

Outraged | Nov 11 2022 22:09 utc | 325
That determination of the peasant army of Korea days is still there, now coupled to high tech weapons systems. Something the Americans have no understanding of.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 22:35 utc | 332

Russia cannot be physically defeated
Posted by: B9k9 | Nov 11 2022 22:27 utc | 333
Russia just got physically defeated in Kherson unless you think they withdrew because they liked it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:36 utc | 333

Forget Kherson which is irrelevant, the real thing is going on in Ugledar, as told many times before.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:34 utc | 337
“These are not the droids you are looking for.”
Heard it one time too many.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:37 utc | 334

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:37 utc | 340
Your mind seems to be stuck in not understanding war at all. That withdrawal was executed flawlessly executed.
Now if the “Ukrainians”… err… Polish regular army.. manage to reach Melitopol, and/or attack far SE of Zaporizhe, then I will throw in the towel for this war.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:40 utc | 335

unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:34 utc | 337
“As WarNews247 revealed yesterday, the Russians no longer consider them mercenaries but regular units of the Polish Army.”
I wonder what that will mean. Will that finally constitute what the Russians consider an actionable breach of the so-far laughable joke of a “red line” against NATO intervention?
Or are they saying it deliberately in order to accord the NATO Poles more legal protections than if they still were to call them mercenaries?
I know where I’d place my money.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 11 2022 22:42 utc | 336

Your mind seems to be stuck in not understanding war at all. That withdrawal was executed flawlessly executed.
Now if the “Ukrainians”… err… Polish regular army.. manage to reach Melitopol, and/or attack far SE of Zaporizhe, then I will throw in the towel for this war.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:40 utc | 341
No, I just know that when Russia loses @ Ugledar, then somehow there is something else that has been more important all along.
I will also HOLD you to your last sentence.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:43 utc | 337

And I am sorry but that should have been “IF” not “WHEN.” I remain convinced Russia has all military potential it needs to make smoldering embers out of the whole of Ukraine.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:44 utc | 338

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:36 utc | 339
UAF tried since late August attack in Kherson, wave after wave of failed rec-in-force and failed mass attacks, piles of destroyed tanks, APC, artillery, infantry, just utter carnage. That is a strategic win in context of de-militarization goal without taking too much own losses. Then they simply packed and left. Now the action moves from Kherson to Ugledar and Zaporizhe. We’ll see what comes out of it.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:45 utc | 339

lex talionis | Nov 11 2022 22:30 utc | 335
I watched a video of Givi shorts sometime back. In one of them he was being interviewed on camera and shells start landing. Everyone dives for cover and Givi stands there puffing on his smoke. The shelling stops and Givi picks up a piece of hot shrapnel, bouncing it in his hand and showing it to the camera. When it comes to cool, Givi gives Lavrov a run for his money.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 22:48 utc | 340

Forget Kherson which is irrelevant, the real thing is going on in Ugledar, as told many times before.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:34 utc | 337
WHAT???!!!
Forget Kherson???!!!
You mean I just waded through over 1,000 comments and two brilliant b articles and skipped several meals and the weekly orgy with the wife and it’s all about effing Ugledar???!!!
Crap!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 22:50 utc | 341

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:36 utc | 339
UAF tried since late August attack in Kherson, wave after wave of failed rec-in-force and failed mass attacks, piles of destroyed tanks, APC, artillery, infantry, just utter carnage. That is a strategic win in context of de-militarization goal without taking too much own losses. Then they simply packed and left. Now the action moves from Kherson to Ugledar and Zaporizhe. We’ll see what comes out of it.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2022 22:45 utc | 345
Again, I will hold you to what you say. Now according to you, Ugledar is important. Kherson was super important a while back. So if Ugledar is a loss, will you recognize that maybe Team Red is losing, or will somehow somewhere else be important?

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:50 utc | 342

The Vsglyad web site reports that a Ukrainian POW has described the Ukrainian plan to attack Belgorod and Kursk:
https://vz.ru/news/2022/11/11/1186367.html .
Senior Lt. Vladimir Lepkin, a platoon commander, said that sabotage-reconnaissence groups are already operating there, laying the explosives needed for a large-scale attack. The attack will take pace in the winter, when the ground is hard and equipment can operate, and will extend 50 to 100 kilometers into Russia, toward Kursk and Belgorod. POW Pavel Tkachuk said the Ukrainians planned to send in saboteurs wearing Russian identification insignia.
[If the Ukrainians do attack, the Oskol river extends North-South not far east of Belgorod and Kursk, giving the Russians a safe haven to retire behind to prevent losses and conserve manpower. The Oskol is already the de-facto line of separation east of Kharkov, so might become one in the East, just as the Dniepr is becoming one in the West.]

Posted by: Seward | Nov 11 2022 22:50 utc | 343

In 2014 after Right Sector thugs murdered about 50 anti-Maidan protesters in the Trade Union building in Odessa, people in Odessa resented the new coup regime. They wanted justice for the murdered young people. They were angry that the police just watched and did nothing.
It’s kind of funny how people can change when the government closes down all opposition political parties and takes control of television stations, and passes laws that make it treason to voice an opinion that differs with the official government position (i.e., if you live in Odessa now, you can’t say you think it would be ok to let Crimea remain part of Russia because that’s what the people of Crimea want).
Funny in the sense that people forget their anger about murdered young people, forget that their government has been engaging in genocide against the Ukrainian Russian-speakers in the Donbas, suddenly don’t object when told that the language they grew up speaking, Russian, is about to be totally eliminated in Ukraine and they will have to learn Ukrainian…and feel victory is at hand when the Russians retreat from Kherson, and now look forward to conquering Crimea.
Not everyone in Odessa is like that, but to my surprise, many have been transformed. They fear being bombed even though they’ve never been bombed, but when asked why they have such fear of the Russians bombing them, they cite that air raid sirens have been on multiple times every day. If you point out that they haven’t been bombed, they will repeat that the air raid sirens have been on, and it never occurs to them that the Ukraine Nazis have been conducting psychological warfare and brainwashing on them. And these are not stupid people…
So I just wonder what will happen in the U.S. when the government starts branding more and more Republicans as terrorists and arrests them. The fact that we have political prisoners still being held because they were waived into the Capitol building by Capitol police on January 6 doesn’t register very much with anyone — yes, we hear about it, but have there been any mass protests? Have any Republican leaders led rallies to protest the government, for the first time in U.S. history, holding political prisoners for over two years for nothing more than a misdemeanor? No… kinda funny how this works.

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 11 2022 22:51 utc | 344

Was wanting to do some research and found that Wikileaks.org is down. Has anyone else noticed this and/or do you know when it started?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 22:52 utc | 345

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 11 2022 22:51 utc | 350
Very insightful, and nauseating.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:54 utc | 346

The Vsglyad web site reports that a Ukrainian POW has described the Ukrainian plan to attack Belgorod and Kursk:
https://vz.ru/news/2022/11/11/1186367.html .
Senior Lt. Vladimir Lepkin, a platoon commander, said that sabotage-reconnaissence groups are already operating there, laying the explosives needed for a large-scale attack. The attack will take pace in the winter, when the ground is hard and equipment can operate, and will extend 50 to 100 kilometers into Russia, toward Kursk and Belgorod. POW Pavel Tkachuk said the Ukrainians planned to send in saboteurs wearing Russian identification insignia.
Posted by: Seward | Nov 11 2022 22:50 utc | 349

Either deliberate misdirection or proof that Ukraine has emptied mental heath facilities in search of conscripts. Tough call, could be both.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 11 2022 22:57 utc | 347

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 11 2022 22:51 utc | 350
Is there a good source w/ up to date detailed information on who is still being held from jan 6 including what they have been charged with (or not charged)? Reason I ask is that I’ve been looking for one without much luck. The DOJ’s site does not appear to have many updates past about July of this year and I wasn’t sure whether it was a safe assumption that no further actions or arrests have been made since then. I could be off by a month or two, though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 22:58 utc | 348

At this point I’m convinced that the Ukrainians could invade Donetsk city, murder all the civilians, and @unimperator would still describe it as part of the Russian master plan.
I have a simpler and more cro-magnon idea about it all. Bomb the Nazi fucks into the stone age. We will NOT get out of this US-RU conflict without an “I dare you” moment.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 22:59 utc | 349

Wikileaks down…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 22:52 utc | 351
It is working in Canada.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 11 2022 23:00 utc | 350

I cannot get it from here in Australia. I wanted to bookmark the email where Sullivan told Clinton al Qaeda are on or side in Syria.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 23:06 utc | 351

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 22:08 utc | 324
In every war there is one who attacks and one who defends.
A well-organized defense has the smaller losses, not always but mostly.
Without Diesl, Petrol, electricity, money (equipment), ammunition, food, etc., the ATU would have immediately switch to defense.
Who wants that?
about a Deal
there is certainly no NEW Deal between Russia and anyone there in Bali ( US/EU/UK the Ukraine is there too)
Putin does not fly to Bali because there are no Deals he would have to agree and sign.
Medvedev could also still agree and sign Deals, but he also does not fly there.(this mean there are no NEW Deals)
Lavrov is flying to Bali.
Lavrov’s job description is, look for opportunities for agreements, I hope this is the jobdescription for all foreign ministers.

Posted by: Theo | Nov 11 2022 23:06 utc | 352

Putin seems to have given up the war as lost because his priorities are to preserve his oligarch cronies’ business interests at all costs, and that can’t be done by wiping out Ukranazistan’s infrastructure, since they have major business interests in Ukranazistan. Therefore his plans are now to get Russia defeated incrementally, with each loss relatively small and either passed off as a brilliant 17D chess move or blamed on someone else, anyone else. And the obese blowhard armchair generals like the Faker and Martyanov will cheer him every step of the way.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 11 2022 23:06 utc | 353

In the last few hours every bridge on the Kerson bank has been destroyed by the Russians and we are 4 weeks away from 370,000 men inluding 40,000 Chechens and 200 – 250,000 troops in Belarus all moving in from 3 positional attacks from South to West with trains of equipment which has not stopped.

When the winter arrives and the ground freezes everything changes this will be Russia ENDING this war on its terms completely.
Posted by: Sam | Nov 11 2022 22:16 utc | 328
I will remember this post in a month. I can set a reminder. I’ve seen too many claims like these and nothing happened.
If you are right, I will apologize to you. Now, if you’re wrong, will you apologize to me?
Fair is fair, don’t you think?

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 23:13 utc | 354

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 11 2022 23:00 utc | 356
I get a 503 Bad Gateway error from my home IP address and a proxy. I will try a foreign IP address next.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 23:16 utc | 355

@lex talionis | Nov 11 2022 22:30 utc | 335
Thank you for that tribute link. You can feel Givi’s love for his comrades and their love for him.
Thank you for adding Zakharchenko’s name too. As the Sandinistas say, he is another of those who have fallen but will never die.
Mozgovoi was the commander of the Ghost Brigade, so named because the Kiev fascists constantly claimed to have wiped them out only to fight them again and again. The Ghost Brigade’s motto: “Don’t worry about your hide—worry about your honor”. He was known as an internationalist and for his direct appeals to UAF rank and file soldiers to resist fascism and come over to the LDNR militias. Many did.
“The Oligarchs Remain Our Principle Enemy”

Posted by: Vintage Red | Nov 11 2022 23:21 utc | 356

Something is definitely broken/missing w/ the Wikileaks search function. I was able to get the site to load from a proxy address in Central America, but unable to find some info I was looking for on the spies in the US Embassy in UK and also tried in vain to search for the item that PeterAU1 is looking for.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 23:22 utc | 357

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 11 2022 21:42 utc | 313
Just first answer your 1. and 2.
The reservoir is the second largest in the world (nearly 5 times the capacity of the Three Gorges Reservoir, the power station of which is the world’s largest hydropower station. Its total storage capacity is 182 billion cubic meters, while the total storage capacity of the Three Gorges Reservoir is 39.3 billion cubic meters”).
When Taiwan threatened to bomb the Three Gorge dam if China attacks Taiwan, it was considered as the same as a nuclear attack against China!
So no matter the huge dam is half full, or even one fourth full, the consequences will be too huge for Russia to bear.
Next for the rest of your reply.
The current great confrontation is not like the Cold War, camp vs. camp, and China and Russia are not even allies. It’s the Three Kingdoms. Everything regarding the current military and other types of conflicts is much more complicated, and only transpositional thinking can help you see the big picture.

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Nov 11 2022 23:25 utc | 358

I agree completely with 360 Tichy.
Every single claim of imminent Russian successes has been a total bust after Mariupol. There is no train to believe a word of anything about to happen in winter until and unless it actually takes place.
And going by trends including all the talk of “hard decisions” it won’t.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 11 2022 23:27 utc | 359

Hey Zanon,
Have you ever read military history out of things called books, over a number of decades, or did you learn most of what you know off of the Internet…?

Posted by: DakotaRog | Nov 11 2022 23:28 utc | 360

To be clear, the translation for “hard decisions” from Russian to English is “another retreat”.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 11 2022 23:28 utc | 361

Best approach is to remember the only thing we know is we don’t know anything.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 11 2022 23:35 utc | 362

@Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2022 22:52 utc | 351
@Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 23:06 utc | 357
Can access it using Cloudfare DNS.
Try the daily site Archive snapshots at web.archive.org (WaybackMachine) … just copy paste the wikipedia URL and click away.
@Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 22:35 utc | 338
Yeah, they’d been fighting both the Japanese from ’31, the KMT since ’28(?), and the a full scale civil war against KMT from ’45 to ’49, up to 5 million troops on one side or the other at start and finish, match fit for Korea ’50, yet no heavy arms, materiel or modern logistics. With Empire handing over billions in War materiel, supplies & funding to KMT throughout.
Part of the reason the ‘Sword Companies'(SF/Commandos) could pull off some little known outside China, incredible SF Ops, ’cause they would occasionally temporarily impersonate ROK/US/UN troops using Uniforms and Small arms taken from KMT in the civil war … to achieve tactical surprise …
Watched the movies you referenced, maybe earlier last year & mid this year … um, produced to celebrate the 100 year anniversary of founding of PLA(IIRC), Epic quality war flicks re the battle for Lake Changling(?) (Chosen Reservoir), yes ?
Very impressed with ’em using literate western actors and not creating propaganda caricatures of the western officers, & scripted scenes. The second one was hard to watch toward the end, turned into a cartoonish action flick.
Am long time fan of especially Korean as well as Chinese, Japanese historical war films & epics.
Watched an epic Chinese Korean war film last year about a contested river crossing, supporting the advance from Yalu river to contact line, literally by human sheer force of will, similar production values, cannot recall the name …

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2022 23:38 utc | 363

@Tom_Q_Collins 354
I just pulled up an NBC article dated October 6, 2022 by Rebecca Shabad and Ryan J. Reilly that said three dozen January 6 prisoners in the Washington D.C. jail have requested transfer to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. In addition to horrible conditions in the jail, they also complained of being propagandized with Critical Race Theory and other left wing racially-biased information.

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 11 2022 23:40 utc | 364

If you are right, I will apologize to you. Now, if you’re wrong, will you apologize to me?
Fair is fair, don’t you think?
Posted by: Tichy | Nov 11 2022 23:13 utc | 360

Too bad this is not a real bar. We could place bets…

Posted by: hopehely | Nov 11 2022 23:40 utc | 365

Sun Tzu Walks Into a Kherson Bar
Deal or no deal, General Winter is coming to town – ready to entertain his guest of honor Sun Tzu with so many new dishes at their dinner table.
The announcement of the Kherson Retreat may have signalled one of the gloomiest days of the Russian Federation since 1991.
Leaving the right bank of the Dnieper to set up a defense line on the left bank may spell out total military sense. General Armageddon himself, since his first day on the job, had hinted this might have been inevitable.
As it stands in the chessboard, Kherson is in the “wrong” side of the Dnieper. All residents of Kherson Oblast – 115,000 people in total – who wanted to be relocated to safer latitudes have been evacuated from the right bank.
General Armageddon knew that was inevitable for several reasons:
no mobilization after the initial SMO plans hit the dust; destruction of strategic bridges across the Dnieper – complete with a three-month methodical Ukrainian pounding of bridges, ferries, pontoons and piers; no second bridgehead to the north of Kherson or to the west (towards Odessa or Nikolaev) to conduct an offensive.
And then, the most important reason: massive weaponization coupled with NATO de facto running the war translated into enormous Western superiority in reconnaissance, communications and command and control.
In the end, the Kherson Retreat may be a relatively minor tactical loss. Yet politically, it’s an unmitigated disaster, a devastating embarrassment.
Kherson is a Russian city. Russians have lost – even if temporarily – the capital of a brand new territory attached to the Federation. Russian public opinion will have tremendous problems absorbing the news.
The list of negatives is considerable. Kiev forces secure their flank and may free up forces to go against Donbass. Weaponizing by the collective West gets a major boost. HIMARS can now potentially strike targets in Crimea.
The optics are horrendous. Russia’s image across the Global South is severely tarnished; after all, this move amounts to abandoning Russian territory – while serial Ukrainian war crimes instantly disappear from the major “narrative”.
At a minimum, the Russians a long time ago should have reinforced their major strategic advantage bridgehead on the west side of the Dnieper so that it could hold – short of a widely forecasted Kakhovka Dam flood. And yet the Russians also ignored the dam bombing threat for months. That spells out terrible planning.
Now Russian forces will have to conquer Kherson all over again. And in parallel stabilize the frontlines; draw definitive borders; and then strive to “demilitarize” Ukrainian offensives for good, either via negotiation or carpet bombing.
It’s quite revealing that an array of NATO intel types, from analysts to retired Generals, are suspicious of General Armageddon’s move: they see it as an elaborate trap, or as a French military analyst put it, “a massive deception operation”. Classic Sun Tzu. That has been duly incorporated as the official Ukrainian narrative.
So, to quote Twin Peaks, that American pop culture subversive classic, “the owls are not what they seem”. If that’s the case, General Armageddon would be looking to severely overstretch Ukrainian supply lines; seduce them into exposure; and then engage in a massive turkey shoot.
So it’s either Sun Tzu; or a deal is in the wings, coinciding with the G20 next week in Bali.
The art of the deal
Well, some sort of deal seems to have been struck between Jake Sullivan and Patrushev.
No one really knows the details, even those with access to flamboyant 5th Column informants in Kiev. But yes – the deal seems to include Kherson. Russia would keep Donbass but not advance towards Kharkov and Odessa. And NATO expansion would be definitely frozen. A minimalist deal.
That would explain why Patrushev was able to board a plane to Tehran simultaneous to the announcement of the Kherson Retreat, and take care, quite relaxed, of very important strategic partnership business with Ali Shamkhani, Secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council.
The deal may have also been the inbuilt “secret” in Maria Zakharova’s announcement that “we’re ready for negotiations”.
The Russians will leave the Dnieper riverbank in a managed military retreat. That would not be possible without managed military-to-military negotiations.
These back channel negotiations have been going on for weeks. The messenger is Saudi Arabia. The US aim, in the short term, would be towards a sort of Minsk 3 accord – with Istanbul/Riyadh attached.
No one is paying the slightest attention to coke clown Zelensky. Sullivan went to Kiev to present a fait accompli – of sorts.
The Dnieper will be – in thesis – the settled and negotiated frontline.
Kiev would have to swallow a frozen line of contact in Zaporizhye, Donetsk and Lugansk – with Kiev receiving electricity from Zaporozhye, hence cease shelling its infrastructure.
The US would come up with a loan of $50 billion plus part of the confiscated – i.e. stolen – Russian assets to “rebuild” Ukraine. Kiev would receive modern air defense systems.
There’s no doubt Moscow will not go along with any of these provisions.
Note that all this coincides with the outcome of the US elections – where the Dems did not exactly lose.
Meanwhile Russia is accumulating more and more gains in the battle for Bakhmut.
There are no illusions whatsoever in Moscow that this crypto-Minsk 3 would be respected by the “non-agreement capable” Empire.
Jake Sullivan is a 45-year-old lawyer with zero strategic background and “experience” amounting to campaigning for Hillary Clinton. Patrushev can eat him for breakfast, lunch, dinner and late night snack – and vaguely “agree” to anything.
So why are the Americans desperate to offer a deal? Because they may be sensing the next Russian move with the arrival of General Winter should be capable of conclusively winning the war on Moscow’s terms. That would include slamming the Polish border shut via a long arrow move from Belarus downwards. With weaponizing supply lines cut, Kiev’s fate is sealed.
Deal or no deal, General Winter is coming to town – ready to entertain his guest of honor Sun Tzu with so many new dishes at their dinner table.

Posted by: Dirty Berty | Nov 11 2022 23:42 utc | 366

Givi picking up a piece of hot shrapnel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM2ek76VAZU

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2022 23:45 utc | 367

From a Russo-friendly site:

Russian media: “This is Russia’s new plan after withdrawing from Kherson”
“Ukraine will not survive the winter, it will be exhausted”
In one of the most decisive developments on the battlefield in the nine months of the war, Ukrainian troops entered Kherson following the Russian withdrawal.
The Central Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense (GUR) issued a statement early this afternoon, Friday, November 11, in which it states that the strategically important southern city, which has been under Russian occupation since March, is returning to Ukrainian control, and calls the remaining Russian soldiers to surrender, although as you read in EL, they have all left without a fight!
According to Pravda, Russia’s new plan for the future is as follows: “Ukraine will not survive the winter, it will be exhausted.”
As the Russian newspaper reports:
“Kyiv is running out of resources and money. Western aid is not going to last forever. The maneuver of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (as the Russians call the withdrawal) to take advantageous positions along the Dnieper River changes the special operation aimed at exhausting Ukraine.
Ukraine’s Economy Minister Yulia Svirydenko went to Washington for negotiations. He said on Wednesday that continued blackouts due to Russian bombing could lead to a bigger contraction in GDP in 2022 than previously forecast, Reuters reports.
According to Sviridenko, a drop of 39% is expected instead of 35%.
“The problem is that the companies don’t work. If power outages continue in the coming weeks, GDP could fall even further,” he said.
According to Ukraine’s Economy Ministry, production volume in October fell 39%, after contracting 35% from August to September, Reuters reported.
Sviridenko assured that the Ukrainian government is cutting costs by cutting civil servants and privatizing small state-owned enterprises. Kiev will still need foreign aid, he added.
Sviridenko also tried to negotiate in the United States for supplies of electrical equipment such as transformers, power generators and even LED light bulbs that could save electricity. US officials have urged the Ukrainian government to implement reforms to establish transparent financial rules.
According to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Kyiv needs $38 billion to cover an expected budget deficit next year and another $17 billion to start urgent infrastructure repairs.
The West is tired of funding Ukraine non-stop
It seems that the West is reluctant to finance Ukraine. The EU pledged to provide $9 billion in loans in 2022, but three billion will never be sent. The European Central Bank will shut down the printing press in the spring.
Hungary has refused to finance the 18 billion aid package for 2023. There will only be loans from the EU budget. The IMF promises an injection of 10 billion dollars over the next two years. These are also loans.
The United States mainly supports Ukraine with arms supplies. In September, almost all Republicans in the House of Representatives voted against a bill to allocate $12 billion to the Ukrainian budget. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has warned that Republicans will refuse to give Ukraine carte blanche if they take control of the House.
Kyiv will have no money for war
Underfunding the Ukrainian economy will cause hyperinflation in Ukraine. Ukraine’s national bank issued an additional 15 billion hryvnias in early September by buying government bonds, undermining the value of the hryvnia. Since the beginning of the special operation, the bank issued 300 billion, which caused the exchange rate to increase to almost 50 hryvnias per dollar.
In September, inflation in Ukraine rose to almost 25%. Given the high costs, it will be even more difficult for Kyiv to stand on its own two feet, let alone on the war front.
Russia has decided to withdraw its troops from Kherson. Ukraine will now have to keep the city, which automatically increases the cost of the country’s budget.
It is worth noting that Ukraine’s public debt currently stands at UAH 6,406 billion (of which 78.7 percent is external debt), while Ukraine’s public debt to GDP is 100.1 percent. Debt servicing is also becoming more expensive due to the rising dollar.
Kyiv has no chance of obtaining the frozen Russian assets because Russia has frozen an almost equivalent amount of Western assets.
In addition, support for Ukrainian refugees is declining across the EU. It is possible that many may eventually decide to return home. This will create additional pressure on the labor market, unemployment will increase.
The new phase of the special operation: The exhaustion of Ukraine
The maneuver of the Russian Armed Forces to take advantageous positions along the Dnieper leads the confrontation with Ukraine to a new phase. Russia wants the exhaustion of Ukraine.
Winter is near. Russia has more than enough resources to see it through the winter.
Ukraine has no resources. Ukraine only has help from the West, but even that won’t last forever.

https://seemorerocks.is/russians-withdraw-to-crimea/

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 11 2022 23:46 utc | 368

@362 Vintage Red – Thank you for that link. I haven’t had the time to fully read the article, but Mozgovoi strikes me a bit like a Nestor Makhno. (my hero, by the way)
Ukraine needs a new Nestor and his Black Army!
Чому не вийшло? – Why Didn’t it Work? (Ukrainian Anarchist Song)
There is a great black metal band called Trespasser from Sweden who do covers of his songs.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 11 2022 23:52 utc | 369

The ukes have approached the city of Kherson from the western direction. After they took a foothold in the village of Chernobaevka, they entered the Shumensky district of the city and then headed to the center.
Some civilians went to the streets. But, despite the attempts of the Ukrainian propagandists to show their victories, the video shows that the number of civilians welcoming the AFU was extremely low AND that civilians had been brought in and paid by the ukes to pretend they were locals.

Posted by: Bam Bam | Nov 11 2022 23:56 utc | 370

Posted by: PAPAPA | Nov 11 2022 23:39 utc | 370
Well said PAPAPA!
I think it a bit strange, and also amusing, that some armchair generals get all hot under the collar if their latest pet theory isn’t immediately worshipped by everyone else. Or some cry out: ‘show me the evidence!’ – as if there is any!
Personally I enjoy scrolling through the mix of opinion, speculation, superior insight and information from other sources. The trolls who go around accusing others of bad faith (ie being trolls) disturb the vibe a little – especially when they turn on me godammit!! – are a little tedious but it ain’t that bad. Still, on the whole I very much agree with you in that we don’t really know what’s going on.
This whole Kherson business is a head scratcher for sure. Russophiles were complaining in March that RF was totally outgamed in the infowar department. I suspect what’s happening now is they are turning the tables on that front.
I’ll be very surprised if Ukraine isn’t collapsing in a few months. We’ll see. Or maybe peace breaks out next week at the G20….
One thing: looks like this was timed for after the mid-terms. Maybe Biden needed the conflict to continue through until then to prevent any sense of let-down if they come to the table.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2022 0:02 utc | 371

Kherson is not a great springboard to Odessa. It’s a possible springboard to Odessa but it’s not at all how the red army took Kherson and Odessa in WWII, where the came from the interior and along the Dnieper. To go from Kherson to Odessa requires multiple water crossings and hugging the coast, which means being vulnerable from one side and trapped on the other.
Had Russia managed to get Nikolaev early it’s a different situation. But that’s not what happened. And that’s not something easy to change now. Without cha going that and having a long front north of the Dnieper to protect the crossings, the utility of holding Kherson isn’t high. Much talk was about Ukraine having to go over open steppe to attack Kherson; the reverse is true towards Nikolaev and the greater right bank of the Dnieper.
It’s a loss for Russia. It’s bad optics (but better than being actually routed on the right bank). But it’s not really a significant change in the conflict. Ukraine will get a bit deeper into Russian lines with stand-off weaponry, but at the same time will need to be relatively exposed close to the river to do so. There’s no real advance left for Ukraine to succeed at in that direction without the difficulty of a river crossing into higher ground through echeloned defenses. As for digging in on the right bank, time is running out for that to be reasonable. Russia already did its digging on the left bank.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 12 2022 0:13 utc | 372

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 11 2022 23:35 utc | 368
“Best approach is to remember the only thing we know is we don’t know anything.”
You win the thread. Everyone is still babbling about Kherson and ignoring the obvious fact, as Escobar and Kadyrov said, that it never needed to happen.
Well, it has. The real question now is whether Russia will fall for this “negotiations” bullshit. If they do, I’m not even going to care about this whole conflict anymore. I can only handle so much stupidity before I lose interest.
Speaking of which, I see we’re halfway to another 700 worthless posts.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 12 2022 0:16 utc | 373

Strategically, river geography will be referred by traditional geographic terms.
Compass points are based on the complete flow of the river. For the Dnieper, this is north to south, so the banks are the east and west banks. This puts the AFU on the the west bank and the AFRF on the east one.
Perspective sides are based on the the current flow of the river, southward. So, the east, AFRF side is the left bank and the west, AFU side the right bank.
Tactically, boots on the ground will operate off compass direction in their battlespace, to avoid any confusion. Makes it less confusing to say “cross your unit to the south side of the river,” rather than explaining “cross your unit southward across the river to the east bank.”

Posted by: JHW | Nov 12 2022 0:16 utc | 374

The favorite tactic I’ve seen over the past two threads is the erection of Straw Armies that are readily ousted by tactical prose attacks. I expect the pattern to be continued.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 12 2022 0:22 utc | 375

WOW! Russia safely withdrew its 30,000 troops from Kherson AND 5,000 pieces of equipment. What an achievement!
This is sound leadership from the military!

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 12 2022 0:23 utc | 376

The reservoir is the second largest in the world (nearly 5 times the capacity of the Three Gorges Reservoir, the power station of which is the world’s largest hydropower station. Its total storage capacity is 182 billion cubic meters, while the total storage capacity of the Three Gorges Reservoir is 39.3 billion cubic meters”).
When Taiwan threatened to bomb the Three Gorge dam if China attacks Taiwan, it was considered as the same as a nuclear attack against China!
So no matter the huge dam is half full, or even one fourth full, the consequences will be too huge for Russia to bear.
Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Nov 11 2022 23:25 utc | 364

The volume of water is only one factor. The amount of power it produces is determined by hydrostatic pressure and volume. Because the vertical drop is minimal, the Nova Kakhovka dam power station (installed capacity of 357 MW) does not come close to making the world list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_hydroelectric_power_stations#List
It is not even in the top half of the run-of-the-river dam list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_run-of-the-river_hydroelectric_power_stations

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 12 2022 0:24 utc | 377

WOW! Russia safely withdrew its 30,000 troops from Kherson AND 5,000 pieces of equipment. What an achievement!
This is sound leadership from the military!
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Nov 12 2022 0:23 utc | 383
And no losses Ted from liverpool

Posted by: Pete UK | Nov 12 2022 0:26 utc | 378

We have both Richard Steven Hack and Scorpion blogging today!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 12 2022 0:29 utc | 379

“Best approach is to remember the only thing we know is we don’t know anything.”
Take heed hackman. All your earlier forcasts were wrong. Then you babble more bullshit opinions.
Own up to the fact you’re just a doddering gamer.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2022 0:30 utc | 380

To be honest, watching the bbc vids showing civilians welcoming the Ukrainian forces in kerson, there really wasn’t that many of them and they didn’t look too enthusiastic either.

Posted by: Cassle | Nov 12 2022 0:33 utc | 381

Avdeevka and Bakhmut here we come…surrender or die Ukes

Posted by: Bam Bam | Nov 12 2022 0:35 utc | 382

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 11 2022 23:40 utc | 371
As far as the conditions go, I really have very little sympathy given that people charged (or uncharged) with similar crimes are rotting away in places like Louisiana (where they are also used as slave labor) and Rikers Island in NY. It’s why I fully believe Julian Assange’s defense team’s claim that rendering him to a US prison would be cruel and inhumane punishment (never mind that he has committed no crimes). I’ve been in city and county jails enough times to know that you’re never safe there; you can die at any time and nobody will ever be held accountable. Having said that, I hope these Jan 6 prisoners become advocates for the imprisoned in this country as it’s truly 3rd world in some cases and absolutely horrifyingly dystopian in others (for ex. the “supermax” and other extra high security prisons).
I tried to search for the CRT article you mentioned and couldn’t find it, but my Internet has been acting very strange lately; maybe I’m on some sort of FBI watchlist.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2022 0:35 utc | 383

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 12 2022 0:22 utc | 382
Good one. You may have seized the thread from SeanAU, at least from the comedic angle.
Kherson is over with. It was a major mistake now papered over by literally everyone on the pro-Russia side except Pepe Escobar and me.
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop, i.e., “negotiations”. Not yet convinced it will, but the shoe appears to be merely hanging on a couple of toes.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 12 2022 0:36 utc | 384

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2022 0:35 utc | 390
I should have qualified and written more carefully. I have little to no sympathy to those Jan 6 prisoners who do not become advocates for prisoner rights once they are released. Clearly I sympathize with anyone rotting in an American jail or prison of any kind.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2022 0:37 utc | 385

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 11 2022 19:01 utc | 246 and Grits 18:41
Not a chance Russia is going to leave off Odessa and let US & UK(?) return to their naval base aspirations and machinations there. Odessa can only stay Ukraine if Ukraine/nato accepts neutrality

Posted by: TDeL | Nov 12 2022 0:38 utc | 386

War being the political extension of man in his
group relations, this one consists in killing the other.
With a ratio of 1/8 the Russian army makes arrangements forreduce losses and increase power fire in Donbass.
On the Ukrainian side now multi-ethnic but for sure Nazi,
The corpses rot near the trenches several weeks, it is the “disappeareds” to add to the dead and crippled that clutter the hospitals until Berlin.
Kerson is empty they dont kill the Russians, better
They didn’t see them leave.
Russia is one step ahead and the reduction of fronts and the arrival of more than 320000 conscripts and volunteers who continue
To flood will only increase the power of fire.
interarmes for the Russians is the orchestration of different corps.
For Ukraine the combined arms is the management of a material outdated heterogeneous without spare parts coming from the four corners of the planet with no less than 9 calibres of artillery.
It is the infantry that carry the army Ukr and they pays it a lot.
The Russian army can increase this ratio to more than 1/10
Yes the Ukr asseaults are now conducted in van and
series cars but western brand.
In kerson they dance to forget their dead.
They celebrat the victorie on the urban furniture.

Posted by: la bouteille | Nov 12 2022 0:43 utc | 387

Avdeevka and Bakhmut here we come…surrender or die Ukes
Posted by: Bam Bam | November 12, 2022 at 00:35
…and Ugledar don’t forget!

Posted by: Rene 1978 | Nov 12 2022 0:43 utc | 388

I just wonder how long this war is to go on? Nobody knows I’m sure. But ukraine is already wrecked as a country – the fault of its leadership over the last 9 yrs.

Posted by: Henry Marcelle | Nov 12 2022 0:49 utc | 389

Richard Steven Hack | Nov 12 2022 0:38 utc | 393
Pepe escobar… https://vk.com/wall578617852_27318
Pepe Escobar
10 Nov at 8:54 pm
BREAKING
There IS a deal between Sullivan and Patrushev.
We don’t REALLY know the details.
But yes – it includes Kherson.
That’s why Patrushev could leave to take care of very important strategic partnership business in Iran.
And the deal is the hidden “secret” in Maria’s announcement that “we’re ready for negotiations”.
The Russians will leave the river bank in a managed military retreat.
That would not have been possible without managed
military-to-military negotiations.
These negotiations have been going on for weeks. The messenger is Saudi Arabia.
The collective aim in the short term is towards a sort of Minsk 3 – with Istanbul/Riyadh attached.
NO ONE is paying attention to the coke clown. Sullivan went to Kiev to present a fait accompli – of sorts.
The Dnieper will be – in thesis – the settled and negotiated frontline.
Note that all this coincides with the outcome of the US elections – where the Dems did not exactly lose.
Meanwhile Russia is making more and more gains in the battle for Bakhmut.
No illusions in Moscow that this crypto-Minsk 3 will be respected.
Doesn’t matter. Winter is coming – and so many new options are now on the table.
…………….
Transhumanist gamer…perhaps just trans

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2022 0:50 utc | 390

@Tom_Q_Collins 390
The article I read about the January 6 prisoners is at this link:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-defendants-held-dc-jail-request-transfer-guantanamo-bay-rcna51028

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Nov 12 2022 0:59 utc | 391

Ali had been imprisoned for refusing the call up of the massas to go kill vietcong who never called him a n***** thousands of miles away for these massas benefit.
He lost the best years of his career and got older.
But he was determined. And these massas wanted him further diminished. They sent their house boy to kill him. Not at home but far away so the blood wouldn’t splatter on their gardens.
So he trained and planned and worked and thought how he would stop the irresistible force. By being an immovable object – on the ropes and using his arms to absorb the blows whilst landing blows.
That was the rumble in the jungle planned as spectacle to the Africans and AfroAmerica and USSR, by The Empire. A proxy war if you will, in Kinshasa.
Now a supposed diminished Russia, no longer a USSR, was supposed to be finally defeated by the latest proxy, ultra violent, beastly Nazis in this theatre, the borderlands, to scare Europeans and the world from the SCO, BRI, new financial order.
A country is not a man. It does diminish, but can regenerate.
So when a monstrous irresistible force is created to destroy the supposed reduced immovable object – there is no guarantee of success .
Ali. BOMAYE!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DcprMsHe1w8
URA!!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 12 2022 1:04 utc | 392

Have you read Escobar’s post Hackman? You say only you and him knows what is going on. Are you on the same page as Escobar? No need to answer that one transhuman game boy. You are the sort of dog turd Escobar steps over in the many places he visits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2022 1:06 utc | 393

[304] “UAF would have to have existing AD personnel”
Hawk training is significantly different than IRIS-T SLM, NASAMS and Aspide?
This article says that Spain announced he delivery of Hawks to Ukraine. Sounds like past tense?
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_october_2022_global_security_army_industry/spain_agrees_delivery_to_ukraine_of_aspide_and_hawk_air_defense_missile_systems.html
It also says training for 20 Ukrainian soldiers on Aspide took the month of September. It doesn’t say anything about the training for the Hawk.
This article says Spain has already shipped Hawks. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spain-send-two-more-hawk-air-defence-systems-ukraine-2022-11-10/
And elsewhere is this: “I’m grateful to my 🇪🇸 colleague Margarita Robles for the decision to send 4 Hawk air defense systems to Ukraine. It’s quick response for 🇺🇦 request at #Ramstein 6. There are more Hawks on the way. This is a tweet from Oleksii Reznikov.
Also sounds like Hawks have already arrived in Ukraine.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 12 2022 1:06 utc | 394

Scorpion #347

You mean I just waded through over 1,000 comments and two brilliant b articles and skipped several meals and the weekly orgy with the wife and it’s all about effing Ugledar???!!!
Crap!

:))
That’s war porn for ya! But I too have put off the occasional sleep or weeded orchard to keep abreast of the entire debacle. For now I trust the logic of Russia having a powerful ally in General Winter. I sometimes fear that General Surovikin might not seize the hour and miss the chance to pair with that ally.
However it goes, I see the arrested move toward Nikolaev in the early months as a supreme folly. I didn’t get it then and imo it was at that moment that Russia should have created a ‘surge strategy’ to secure the victory before pause.
So it goes.
I also assume the Russian intention is far greater than mere scrabbling in the dirt but has the entire western political/economic landscape in mind. To that end invoking General Exodus in winter for europe to experience could be a major means of snapping the economic threads of the west.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 12 2022 1:08 utc | 395

Why are the ukrainian armed forces still active in adveeka, shelling the nearby city of Donetsk. End it NOW!

Posted by: John B.N. | Nov 12 2022 1:17 utc | 396

uncle tungsten | Nov 12 2022 1:08 utc | 404
The big picture is the one to keep in mind. The little picture of Ukraine is used to manipulate and influence the big picture. When it comes to Russia vs Ukraine, it is just a cat playing with a mouse.
Wife and kids come home from town with a small cat one day. We had a lot of mice around and that was the excuse. He was good at catching mice must have known I was not a cat lover. He had to be a working cat. Our shoes and boots were always lined up just inside the door. The shit of a thing would catch a mouse and drop it live inside my boot. He was very much Murray Ball’s Horse.
But back to subject, apart from stated objectives, the SMO is a tool used to influence/take in a direction Russia wants, the greater hybrid war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2022 1:22 utc | 397

[300] “The Ukrainians were armed to the teeth since 2014”
I would say that between 2014 and 2020 they were armed to the knees by the West. Since 2021 the have been armed to the teeth, eyes and beyond by the West.
I agree that without that aid they would have been defeated by the Russians.
I don’t think there are more than a few thousand foreigners fighting in Ukraine. (Not counting the thousands of people in western European countries repairing Ukrainian equipment.)
Your idea of getting others to fight wars for the USA is a great idea if you are the USA.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 12 2022 1:22 utc | 398

Bill Smith | Nov 12 2022 1:22 utc | 407
LPR forces in the Kharkov offensive were saying most were foreigners. There is a very large contingent of Polish forces on the Zap front. All radio tragic is in foreign languages. That means all Ukraine officers and NCO’s have gone and been replaced by western counterparts. Ukraine and even eastern European soviet weapons systems are gone and now replaced with western systems.
A few Ukroids after training in foreign countries will be sent to their deaths but basically, we have run out of Ukroids. The Poles are most likely dumb enough to make replacement Ukroids but we will run out the them faster than we ran out of the genuine article.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2022 1:37 utc | 399

Russia is playing defence now. It could have kept Kherson, but it would have cost. What if US and some Nato parts would join.. Russia is now digging in, just to be on the save side. Meanwhile lights out in Ukraine and west can think for how long it wants to pay for all this while Russia can replenish its weapons arsenal and wait while Ukristan grinds itself slowly down while Russia maintains its strength. Winter offence is maybe just optional. Or something that will loom over Ukraine now. Before the damn dam was always something the Ruskis had to keep in mind. Zapo NPP still has to be on theirs, maybe the deal is some electricity back for some peace of mind.
The rest of 2022 will get very boring and expect a lot of armchair generals on both sides to go really bonkers.

Posted by: C | Nov 12 2022 1:51 utc | 400