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November 12, 2022
Prosecution Futures – The Downfall Of FTX And Everything Crypto

I have been in awe this week about the stupidity of the people who had invested in the crypto-'exchange' FTX. I am likewise in awe that anyone would have 'parked' their 'money' in an account of that unregulated entity. How stupid can one be?

Crypto 'currencies' have no real purpose. They ain't money. Their value solely depends on the trust people have in them. When the trust vanishes their values go to zero. That is what happened to FTX and the FTT 'currency' the company had issued:

The 30-year-old had set up Bahamas-based FTX in 2019 and led it to become one of the largest exchanges, accumulating a near $17 billion fortune.

News of the liquidity crunch at FTX – valued in January at $32 billion with investors including SoftBank and BlackRock – sent reverberations through the crypto world.

The price of major coins plummeted, with bitcoin slumping to its lowest in almost two years, heaping further pain on a sector whose value has fallen about two-thirds this year as central banks tightened credit.

When Softbank's Vision Fund invests into something it is a sure sign that its value will soon sink.

There was a lot of criminality involved here. FTX lent its customers' 'money' to Bankman-Fried’s trading firm, Alameda Research, which had invested it in a number of other loss making crypto schemes. The likewise shady crypto 'exchange' Binance had owned a big share of FTX's 'currency'. Last Sunday it announced that had sold all of it. That was the squeeze that toppled its main competitor. The whole scheme came down. The trust was gone. People pulled their 'money' from the FTX 'exchange' accounts. The company no longer had access to enough money to pay out what it owned. Yesterday it went into bankruptcy.

Some of the money that FTX allegedly gave to Alameda Research had vanished on its way:

At least $1 billion of customer funds have vanished from collapsed crypto exchange FTX, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The exchange's founder Sam Bankman-Fried secretly transferred $10 billion of customer funds from FTX to Bankman-Fried's trading company Alameda Research, the people told Reuters.

A large portion of that total has since disappeared, they said. One source put the missing amount at about $1.7 billion. The other said the gap was between $1 billion and $2 billion.

The whole thing was, like about anything crypto, one huge fraud:

The documents showed that between $1 billion and $2 billion of these funds were not accounted for among Alameda's assets, the sources said. The spreadsheets did not indicate where this money was moved, and the sources said they don't know what became of it.

In a subsequent examination, FTX legal and finance teams also learned that Bankman-Fried implemented what the two people described as a "backdoor" in FTX's book-keeping system, which was built using bespoke software.

They said the "backdoor" allowed Bankman-Fried to execute commands that could alter the company's financial records without alerting other people, including external auditors. This set-up meant that the movement of the $10 billion in funds to Alameda did not trigger internal compliance or accounting red flags at FTX, they said.

The guy is now on the run.

There is a different aspect of the story that deserves a lot more scrutiny:

Mr. Whale 🐳 whalechart.org @WhaleChart – 13:53 UTC · Nov 11, 2022

🔸 April 25, 2019: Biden announces his presidential campaign.
🔸 13 days later, Sam Bankman-Fried, son of Barbara Fried (co-founder of political fundraising organizations), launches #FTX crypto exchange.
🔸 The exchange is an overnight success. SBF becomes biggest donor to Biden.

It really makes you think right?
FTX imploded on election day by the way 🙁

Sam Bankman-Fried's mother is a "co-founder of the political fundraising organization Mind the Gap, which advocates for progressive political candidates and funds get-out-the-vote groups."

Sam Bankman-Fried put a lot of the money he had 'owned' into Democratic politics:

The 30-year-old Bankman-Fried has been a major force in Democratic politics, ranking as the party’s second-biggest individual donor in the 2021–2022 election cycle, according to Open Secrets, with donations totaling $39.8 million. That ranks only behind George Soros (about $128 million) but ahead of many other big names, including Michael Bloomberg ($28.3 million). What’s more, he had promised to spend far more on Democrats moving forward, predicting in May that he’d fund “north of $100 million” and had a “soft ceiling” of $1 billion for the 2024 elections.

Bankman-Fried was a major donor to President Joe Biden in the 2020 election and is the primary donor to the Protect Our Future PAC, the political action committee which endorsed Democratic candidates such as Peter Welch, who this week won his bid to become Vermont’s next senator, and Robert J. Menendez of New Jersey, who secured a House seat.

That was either protection money or a well played scheme by the Democrats to finance their elections. Then again- it may have been both.

The White House was directly involved:

A cryptocurrency billionaire facing federal investigation for mishandling customer funds had high-level White House meetings just months ago, as Congress was debating how to regulate his company—and just weeks before he pledged to donate up to $1 billion to Democrats ahead of the midterm campaign.

Sam Bankman-Fried, the owner of cryptocurrency exchange FTX, met on April 22 and May 12 with top Biden adviser Steve Ricchetti, according to White House visitor logs reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon. At the time, FTX was lobbying Congress and federal agencies to shape regulation of the crypto industry.

[Bankman-Fried] gave more than $5 million to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign, and has given millions more this cycle to the Democratic Party. In early May, between his first two visits to the White House, Bankman-Fried doled out $865,000 to the DNC, according to Federal Election Commission records. Earlier, in March, he cut three checks totaling $66,500 to the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, and later in June he sent $250,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

He said in June, weeks after his most recent White House meeting, that he might give up to $1 billion to support Democrats in the midterms, though he backed away from that pledge in September.

Amid the political spending, Bankman-Fried has led an aggressive lobbying campaign in Washington related to cryptocurrency regulation. He met with Ricchetti, the White House counselor, on April 22 and May 12, according to visitor logs. He met on May 13 with Charlotte Butash, a policy adviser to the White House deputy chief of staff.

Bankman-Fried was accompanied in some of the meetings by Mark Wetjen, the head of policy and regulatory strategy at FTX, who served as commissioner on the Commodity Futures Trading Commission under former president Barack Obama. Eliora Katz, FTX’s chief lobbyist, also attended the meetings but did not mention lobbying the White House in disclosures filed with Congress.

Bankman-Fried’s meetings came weeks after White House officials met with his brother, who directs the billionaire’s political operations. Gabe Bankman-Fried visited the White House on March 7 along with Jenna Narayanan, a Democratic strategist who once worked for Tom Steyer and the Democracy Alliance, a network of wealthy liberal donors who fund left-wing causes. Gabe also attended the May 13 meeting with his brother and FTX’s lobbyists.

Bankman-Fried has lobbied for a bill proposed by Senate Agriculture Committee chair Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) that would put the Commodity Futures Trading Commission in charge of crypto regulation. Bankman-Fried donated $5,800 to Stabenow’s campaign in February, and $20,800 to her joint fundraising committee in January. Bankman-Fried contributed to other Democratic members of the committee amid his lobbying campaign. He sent a combined $31,000 to campaigns and joint fundraising committees tied to Sens. Cory Booker (D., N.J.), Tina Smith (D., Minn.), Dick Durbin (D., Ill.), and Kirsten Gillibrand (D., N.Y.) from October 2021 through June. Bankman-Fried also contributed to top Republicans on the Senate Agriculture Committee. The crypto billionaire gave $5,800 each to ranking member John Boozman (R., Ark.) and Sen. John Hoeven (R., N.D.) in January and June, respectively.

Its one big swamp. Its purpose here was to steal money from those little guys who are prone to fall for such schemes.

This whole crypto stuff was always bad.

I had read the founding bitcoin paper soon after it came out. It was written by an anonymous under the name of one Satoshi Nakamoto. That was the first red light. I suspected and still suspect that some 'western' secret services had come up with the scheme to have a way to secretly move money around.

As I had previously done a bit of banking IT I knew of the difficulties of mass transactions. I found that the blockchain, a public ledger mechanism that preserves a public record of every bitcoin transaction, was way too complicate for a substantial amount of global transactions. It would never reach the speed real money transaction systems, like those for the big credit card issuers, inherently have. I also thought it would be dangerous to have every private transaction recorded in a public ledger everyone could see and analyze. That would make true anonymity of such payments nearly impossible.

The amount of coins in the system was also inherently limited which brought with it all the problems of gold back currencies. There are reasons why we no longer use those.

The whole system of exchanges and other companies build around it was unregulated, insecure and prone to fraud.

I have therefore always refrained from using bitcoins or other such currencies and have even rejected them when they were offered to me as donations. Finally the hype over last years convinced me that this crypto stuff was just one big Ponzi scheme in which small people put money into unregulated criminal entities which were guaranteed to steal it.

I liked how Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism characterized these 'currencies' and their surrounding as 'prosecution futures'.

It turned out that it is exactly what they are.

Comments

Some parties may be found to have received stolen goods.
But that would be if we had law enforcement and laws.

Posted by: jared | Nov 13 2022 1:57 utc | 101

Very interesting article, b. Thank you. I really like the way you pick a topic and succinctly drill down through the BS. Glad I stayed away from cryptocurrency
Reading it, I couldn’t help feeling that intelligence agencies (possibly Israeli) were involved, as with Jeffery Epstein. It has the same smell to it. Government and intel agencies are now what the mafia used to be.

Posted by: Moses | Nov 13 2022 2:50 utc | 102

Patrick Boyle explains the FTX bankruptcy as best he can
Pardon the brief ad at the beginning but enjoy the Irish wit.

FTX, the cryptocurrency exchange recently valued at $32 billion dollars, has filed for bankruptcy protection in the US.
The filing in Delaware federal court on Friday included the main FTX international exchange, FTX US a US crypto marketplace, Sam Bankman-Fried’s proprietary trading group Alameda Research and about 130 affiliated companies.
In today’s video we discuss what went wrong at FTX, and discuss the influencers who pitched FTX to their audiences.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 13 2022 2:53 utc | 103

The amount of coins in the system was also inherently limited which brought with it all the problems of gold back currencies. There are reasons why we no longer use those

Wrong. Above-ground gold stocks increase around 2% every year via mining (not that you have to have an expanding money supply to have economic growth. If your rebuttal to this is “yeah, but deflation”, then you don’t know the difference between price- and monetary- deflation).
The chief reason “we” no longer use gold-backed (which really means, gold-limited) currencies, is because they limit the amount of currency the bankers can create ex nihilo, and consequently the amount their puppet politicians can spend bribing voters via deficit spending.
The last (semi) gold standard was Bretton Woods, which Nixon abrogated in 1971. Look at the trajectory of wealth disparity since then; the untethering of currency from any physical limits has led to an explosion in financialisation, with liquidity flooding into financial assets and anything typically financed with debt – real estate, for instance – rocketing in price.
Great for the rich. Bad news for Everyman.
When the USD inevitably collapses, we may well return to some kind of gold standard, at least for international trade. There’s a reason central banks hoard the stuff.

Posted by: Observer | Nov 13 2022 3:27 utc | 104

Thankfully never heard of FTX but the picture of Blair Clinton and wonk @39 ought to have been enough of a Smoking Causes Cancer to deter normal investors.
As to raising funds for political causes from fraud, the used to be a slogan graffiti in Northern Ireland: Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.
OK it was probably daubed by the British who created the fighting, to wind up the victims of the violence that they themselves had created.
Something rather revolting about two senior Democrats sitting with pin up,, on a TV stage, but only a fraction of the revoltingness of half the world’s leaders sitting on a TV stage with sweaty green T Shirt conman Ziostinky now.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 13 2022 3:43 utc | 105

@ uncle tungsten | Nov 13 2022 2:53 utc | 103
Thanks for the link. Good video.
Another rule I would suggest for Mr. Boyle to propose:
Don’t invest in a guy who looks like an older version of John Blutarsky from Animal House movie.
Because, as you may remember, he doesn’t have a GPA.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 13 2022 4:44 utc | 106

Capitalism at its finnest. I am about to leave crypto, it gave some happy times but it seems it is about to fall entirely soon, which was painfully predictable but even so some clever nobodies could leave with a profit, however small like I did. Last man turns off the lights.

Posted by: Mariategui | Nov 13 2022 5:39 utc | 107

Wow this FTX scam just keeps getting crazier and crazier, now it turns out people who had their bank accounts linked to their FTX account are reporting that their bank accounts are receiving charges from FTX. So even after the company has stolen all of their client’s money that they were entrusted with originally, they are now trying to steal the client’s money held by other financial institutions.
I’m amazed that anyone, especially the Ontario Teacher’s pension fund, was taken in by this huckster, as just a 5yr google search brought up this video from SIX MONTHS AGO!!! Crypto CEO Accidentally Describes Ponzi Scheme,
Like B said there is clearly much more to the story then anyone is admitting so far, the pension fund managers obviously weren’t doing their due diligence and regulators once again knew and did nothing (I know crypto currencies aren’t regulated officially, but Federal Wire Fraud laws apply to every digital financial transaction that routes through a US territory or uses US currency). I’m just slack jawed that the Teacher’s pension fund threw away $95 million CAN on this scam back in June, literally googling this guys name brought Ponzi scheme up as the 1st result on a story that was almost 7 months old
I smell a massive money laundering operation, also as I recall FTX was involved in setting up the whole crypto-donation fund-raising event a few months ago to raise money for Ukraine. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it turned out that they were taking a huge cut right off the top of the funds they were collecting.

Posted by: Kadath | Nov 13 2022 5:44 utc | 108

Crypto-currency has about as much value as Monopoly money. Its flaws go far beyond what B covers in this article. Understand, crypto has zero inherent value (unlike gold and silver), and doesn’t even have the advantage of being backed by a government. Its my own opinion that, as is tacitly hinted by B above, crypto is just a boot program for central bank digital currencies (CBDC), the Holy Grail of our globalist overlords.
What is a CBDC? Its a crypto coin backed by the government, which would not only allow said government to monitor every single transaction of said CBDC (because of the aforementioned public ledger making privacy impossible), it would be programmable. This means that the government would be able to stop you and me and everyone else from making purchases that the government doesn’t want you making in real time. The ultimate form of enslavement short of outright sci-fi mind control powers.

Posted by: Monos | Nov 13 2022 6:16 utc | 109

All this raises the question of whether there are some severe flaws in many blockchain implementations…
Posted by: JHW | Nov 12 2022 17:43 utc | 10

The fundamental issue is that there isn’t a single computer on the planet that is secure form exploits.
It can be done using ring style security.
Two factor authentication is used by banks and could eliminate much of this fraud but doesn’t protect servers.
b isn’t the IT guy here. I largely agree with his analysis. I strongly oppose proof of work coinage as being horrifically and inherently wasteful of resources.
I think the performance issues with transactions could be solved so there I disagree.
Blockchain is an extremely useful technology outside of currency and really isn’t a new concept. It dates back to the 90’s but not for currency.
For example we considered using with resumable downloads and rejected it because it would add 8 bytes to the packet length. IE Without providing significant advantages.
As a real life example of blockchain you can internally block your journal entry transactions. Ditto with emails and messages.
All of this can be encrypted and still have a chain block. Privacy isn’t the issue there.
But currency? I agree it’s basically like a ponsi scheme once the big boys and organized crime jump in.
And b didn’t bother to mention the countless scams being run on platforms like Facebook where you never receive the coin at all.
Let’s get real here though. GDP is a manipulated essentially fake metric. That’s what backs gov’t currency. They print money when they like and it balloons it 10x the amount.
I can’t speak to the issue of the validity of G20 currencies but there are folks here that can.
That said get ready for some next level inflation, stagnation and a depression. Invest in things of real value.
I live in poverty on a disability. We passed up the opportunity for millions once. We refused to put double bookkeeping into our audited customer care software.
I’m totally your guy if you needed to design and develop it. Probably b too.
But like millitary AI, I’m going to have to pass. I’d rather be washing dishes in a soup kitchen.
Peace and love brothers and sisters.
And hats off to that grumpy old hippie. 😉

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 13 2022 6:31 utc | 110

The amount of coins in the system was also inherently limited which brought with it all the problems of gold back currencies. There are reasons why we no longer use those.

I don’t what reasons you refer to, but they are undoubtedly not the real reasons.
The one overarching reason the U.S. cut the gold-backed link is because it did not give the politicians a possibility to create money ad nauseam because the $35/oz link guaranteed a fixed amount of dollars in circulation, as with Bitcoin.
So, ever since that link was cut inflation took off, as did the creation of derivatives markets and other financial schemes that were based on absolutely nothing and gave us financial meltdown, the most recent being the 2008/09 crash.
And who ended up paying the bill? Not the guys at the top who were responsible, i.e. the Jamie Dimons of the world, but the little guys and gals, i.e. the tax payer.
You’re talking about a Bitcoin Ponzi scheme. If you would read up about it a bit more you’d see that a Ponzi scheme is simply not possible in Bitcoin. No Bernhard, the real Ponzi scheme is the current financial market where money is created out of debt, which needs ever more money to finance an accelerating widening gap. THAT is your Ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 7:00 utc | 111

You are mixing up crypto exchanges with crypto currencies. People who invest in crypto exchanges don’t necessarily invest in/use crypto currencies and vice versa.
It is as if you say that people who use the internet invest in .com companies.
And do you remember the dotcom bubble of the early 2000s? Well, a lot of dreams were shattered when companies went bust. Was that the end of the internet? It continued growing.
Talking about the Internet: the first workable prototype of the Internet came in the late 1960s with the creation of ARPANET, or the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network, originally funded by the U.S. Department of Defense.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 7:10 utc | 112

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Nov 13 2022 1:09 utc | 100
I suspect it is for similar reasons ‘their’ governments are called “regimes”, and ‘ours’ “democracies”.
See also: ‘rules-based international order’ for further obfuscation.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 13 2022 7:16 utc | 113

In a subsequent examination, FTX legal and finance teams also learned that Bankman-Fried implemented what the two people described as a “backdoor” in FTX’s book-keeping system, which was built using bespoke software.
They said the “backdoor” allowed Bankman-Fried to execute commands that could alter the company’s financial records without alerting other people, including external auditors. This set-up meant that the movement of the $10 billion in funds to Alameda did not trigger internal compliance or accounting red flags at FTX, they said.

Mr Kentucky Fried-Banker is most probably a sock-puppet for the Federal Reserve elites and their colleagues in the Bank of England. I suspect FTX was intended as a dry run for their planned Digital Dollar and Digital Pount crypto scams when the dollar reserve currency collapses. The FTX scam is small-Fried compared to a state-backed crypto scam backed by intelligence agencies, which through state-owned backdoors can choose who to scam with surgical precision, switch anybody’s funds on or off at will, link signals intelligence to financial intelligence for mastery over commercial secrets, etc, skys the limit.

So the deep-fried Banker is on the run … I suggest he try Ukraine. Look for a job as a mercenary, it pays well ($2000 per day). He should use his bribery expertise and ill-gotten gains to get a job as warehouse guard for a big missile warehouse, and then sell off the missiles to the Russians for pennies to the dollar.

Posted by: BM | Nov 13 2022 7:24 utc | 114

“The amount of coins in the system was also inherently limited which brought with it all the problems of gold back currencies. There are reasons why we no longer use those”
Yes!! Thank you b! A lot of people miss this. I totally agree with everything you say about bitcoin.

Posted by: Tim | Nov 13 2022 8:19 utc | 115

Andrew @95
Counterfeiting is a non problem. Public records of transactions are already impossible to counterfeit.
Bit coin is the most completely stupid and dysfunctional currency system it is humanly possible to devise in every way. Enormous energy costs; huge transaction costs; impossibly slow; largely hoarded by a tiny number of people; totally reliant on high technology; easily lost without trace; basically a pile of stinking horse shit.
Most importantly, as pointed out by B, a currency that only exists in a fixed amount (give or take) has severe structural problems. It cannot handle economic expansion or contraction and can be (and is) hoarded as a store of wealth, removing it from circulation.
It is *money as debt*, combined with modern technology that is a truly brilliant invention. The problem is that at the moment, those debts are mid-wived by parasites who rake off a massive unearned cut (banks) or scammers who colossally inflate the currency with bad debt (governments). Money truly should be debt created between two private parties without limit and without intervention. This is what tally sticks achieved hundreds of years ago.
What we need are electronic tally sticks.

Posted by: Tim | Nov 13 2022 8:41 utc | 116

Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme?
The key characteristic of a Ponzi scheme is that returns promised to early investors in a nonexistent enterprise are paid out with money put into the scheme by later investors. These sorts of scams fall apart when there are simply no new people to scam into “investing” in the project. At that point, the early investors stop receiving a return on their initial investment and it becomes clear the whole scheme was based on lies and deceit rather than some sort of legitimate investment strategy or product.
Bitcoin is clearly not a Ponzi scheme for 3 key reasons: (1) bitcoin exists to provide real value and utility to its users, (2) bitcoin does not require new investment to keep working, and (3) Bitcoin’s transactions are entirely transparent through the block chain, as you have mentioned yourself.
So, Bernhard, just by admitting transparency and calling it a Ponzi scheme means you are contradicting yourself.
Nobel-prize winning economist Paul Krugman also calls Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme simply because there have been price bubbles that have subsequently popped.
Now, I am not an economist, so I am not in Krugman’s league by any stretch of the imagination, but anybody who just watches currency or stock markets from afar knows that bubbles are inherent to the system due to speculators’ activities. Just 1 example: remember George Soros and the UK pound in the early 1990s?
So, why are speculative bubbles in Bitcoin any different?
But no one, no authority, is able to manipulate the amount of ₿ in circulation, whereas the $ is manipulated incessantly by the U.S. government and its lackeys.
So, which currency is the real Ponzi scheme: the ₿ or the $?

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 8:58 utc | 117

Bitcoin’s utility and value
Bitcoin’s utility and value comes from its characteristics of being:
➙ decentralized,
➙ permissionless,
➙ global,
➙ immutable,
➙ scarce,
➙ fully auditable,
➙ instantly transferable,
➙ non-seizable, and
➙ highly divisible.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 9:05 utc | 118

Russia ought to make it clear that if the likes of Epstein or Bankman-Fried can make it to Russian soil they’ve be given asylum in return for a full account of their operations including the involvement of specific Western leaders and elites.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 13 2022 9:11 utc | 119

Posted by: Fiji Refugee | Nov 12 2022 19:25 utc | 45
This current round of inflation was engineered by someone? It didn’t “just happen”.
<=Inflation is the get out of bankruptcy free card. Private and public interest bearing debts requires inflation in order to retire the prior spendthrift debt at pennies on the value of the currency. State, county and cities love inflation because it retires their prior crimes showcased in bond debt at pennies of value on the dollar. Inflation forces those who are the governed to guarantee the all debts which spend thrifts create and express in loans, debts and derivatives. look at it this way, the fed issues $1 USD, fed creates debt with interest at 10% without inflation the 10% will deflate the economy by 10% for each year the debt is outstanding. During the deflation years, the 10% will come from the pockets of the taxpayers [listen, you can hear that great sucking sound]. During inflation years the 10% will be fixed by adding new interest bearing debt and issuing more currency. Because of the interest, At some point there is not enough wealth in the pockets of the taxpayers to pay the 10%.. so the new debt is issued at 9% or 8%, etc. Eventually the economy cannot earn enough to pay the interest bearing debt and so the taxpayers are unable to retire the debt and interest liability. Posted by: Fiji Refugee | Nov 12 2022 19:25 utc | 45 My problem isn't that I don't see these events coming, but that I have no idea what "to do about it". probably the answer is to avoid paper securities exchange markets and to buy long lasting physical or intangible assets with value which track the debt inflation. Remember those who own physical assets in debt deflation years, must be able to earn enough from those physical assets to pay the interest cost (taxes) assessed to them for the fiat money outstanding debt during the deflation years. Another way, the way Oligarch solve this problem is by getting the nation state to pass laws that that create tax free intangible assets(private monopolies) with values that track inflation. Those assets are found in copyright and patent and service franchises (such as electric power franchises or garbage and water utility franchises) essentially public monopoly powers are transformed by rule of law into private equity tax-free private ownership. Posted by: Pnyx | Nov 12 2022 19:55 utc | 51 The abandonment of the gold standard .. opened the floodgates for the unrestrained expansion of central bank balance sheets. <=Russia has fixed the value of its Ruble to the price of gold.. essentially it has returned the world to the gold standard whether the world likes it or not. Any transaction that involves a payment to a Russian citizen<=inside Russia is in Rubles, outside Russia <=the purchasing power of foreign currency must be sufficient to buy enough gold (on the date of the transaction) for the RCB to use the foreign currency to buy Gold, and to issue against that gold, Rubles to the Russian side of the transaction. Of course, foreigners trading in Rubles trade one for one. Lincoln was assassinated by the British because he found a way to issue interest free script backed by the USA. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2022 20:16 utc | 55 <=regards to your long list of mis-statements, false identify appearing on Twitter, etc. in the past 3 days <= Untruths implemented on Twitter demonstrate a great use for tort law Any untruth appearing on a public media should make whole those whom it harms.. courts should recognize a mis-statement of fact or the implementation of an deception or the promotion of a falsehood that causes harm to a third party to be a tort. Tort law is probably the only way for the harmed public to quash the destructive practice of torpedoing a business or silencing offending person by alleging false and and conducting misleading attacks. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 12 2022 20:36 utc | 58 BRICS is attempting to offer something more natural than fiat and that is why this war is taking place. <= yes, I think the Russian system is likely a close model to coming international practice. The currency of every nation is going to carry a value relative to its purchasing power measured against a universal standard(gold rocks on the moon or whatever). Chinese currency works like that more or less. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 12 2022 23:56 utc | 90. dark forces behind FTX were in it for the money for themselves, not to give away to the Democratic Party. <=generally that is what the democrats say. Funny how it got shut down two days after the election? Posted by: Andrew | Nov 13 2022 0:39 utc | 95 The digital banking system {DBS} is an invention that could ultimately be as significant as the printing press? Arguments against a Digital banking system reflects a shocking level of ignorance about the nature of money and the value of bitcoin as a technology. <=Its naive to think that political control of a DBS would be fair? The use of a digital banking system is ideal for a mafia, a government (especially one world central government like the WEF types want or like the UN wants or like an oligarchy would like to have to rip off everyone forced to use it. Digital currency and the banking system that administers it, seems dangerous to the application and enforcement of the Bill of rights because of the ability of those who administer the DBS to target; down to the individual and to cut off, deny, take the account balances from any targetted individual. IOWs digital banking offers governments a penal system level of control over its subjects, and that control is highly subject to who and which politics controls access to the digital banking system. Posted by: Kadath | Nov 13 2022 5:44 utc | 108 So even after the [ftx fdic backed ]company has stolen all of their client's money that they were entrusted with originally, they are now trying to steal the client's money held by other financial institutions. a massive money laundering operation .. <=yeph my point exactly.. Posted by: Monos | Nov 13 2022 6:16 utc | 109 central bank digital currencies (CBDC), the Holy Grail of our globalist overlords. <= can you suggest a defense against the implementation of such a system?

Posted by: snake | Nov 13 2022 9:18 utc | 120

A waste of energy? Yet another hoax
The energy waste argument is largely based on the so-called “energy per transaction”.
Here’s the problem: De Nederlandse Bank’s Alex de Vries’s “energy per transaction”, published on his website “Digiconomist”, is a nonsensical metric.
The University of Cambridge’s Cambridge Centre For Alternative Finance explains:
(1) Transaction throughput (i.e. the number of transactions that the system can process) is independent of the network’s electricity consumption. Adding more mining equipment and thus increasing electricity consumption will have no impact on the number of processed transactions.
(2) A single Bitcoin transaction can contain hidden semantics that may not be immediately visible nor intelligible to observers. For instance, one transaction can include hundreds of payments to individual addresses, settle second-layer network payments (e.g. opening and closing channels in the Lightning network), or potentially represent billions of timestamped data points using open protocols such as OpenTimestamps.
The confusion stems from the fact that Bitcoin is a final “cash” settlement layer without the need for a trusted party. High-performance retail payments networks, like PayPal or Visa, do not offer final settlement between banks — they are credit-based systems that rely on a monetary base layer of central banks, which are backed by militaries, for final and irreversible settlement. In fact all legacy retail payments systems, including traditional banking, are layered in this manner.
De Vries is effectively a paid opposition researcher for a central bank RTGS system that competes with Bitcoin. It’s no wonder that de Vries and his employer would be antagonists of Bitcoin — his institution’s future depends on Bitcoin not succeeding. Neither he, nor many of the journalists that cite him, regularly disclose this conflict of interest.
In March 2020, Bill Gates had repeated de Vries’s claims, which were then echoed by the media. A few weeks later, Elon Musk declared that Tesla would no longer accept bitcoin as payment for vehicles, citing the same specious arguments. Few seemed to notice that de Vries published inaccurate and easily refuted data at this time.
Since Gates and Musk are fabulous rich, by definition they always know what they are talking about, right? I mean, Bill Gates is the self-appointed guru on Covid and how to fight it, and a huge proportion of the world’s population believes every word he utters, despite the fact that he has no medical degree whatsoever, and that is leaving aside his track record of mendacity and manipulation as well as his murder of 1000s of kids in Africa and India with his Oral Polio Vaccine crap- but that’s another story.
According to the University of Cambridge’s Cambridge Centre For Alternative Finance<, in a worst case scenario the Bitcoin network would be responsible for about 111 Mt (million metric tons) of carbon dioxide emission, accounting for roughly 0.35% of the world's total yearly emissions. In reality. Bitcoin’s footprint is approximately 0.13% of total global emissions — again, it’s a rounding error. Eliminating Bitcoin would do absolutely nothing to help the environment — its emissions are simply too tiny to have any meaningful impact. One might deduce that the only people who would be motivated enough to tell you otherwise have legacy institutions to protect and aren’t actually concerned about the environment.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 9:26 utc | 121

Bronco Billy #106
Thank you, 🙂

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 13 2022 9:37 utc | 122

Ernesto Che @121
Thank you for the very concise and informative link. I admit I had not understood bitcoin before. In particular I had not appreciated that fraud is perfectly possible, as described in this passage.
“Assuming miners are profit-maximising economic agents, honesty is the most rational strategy. As a result, Bitcoin may be considered less a technical innovation and more a carefully calibrated socio-economic system that relies on a complex combination of economic incentives, game theory, and a solid technical foundation”
This honesty is encouraged (not enforced) by carefully balancing electricty costs against the speed of blockchain production. With increasing electricity costs fraud is more likely.
It is an even bigger crock of shit than I thought 🙁

Posted by: Tim Glover | Nov 13 2022 11:28 utc | 123

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 12 2022 18:37 utc | 30
I know very little about crypto in general , and Bitcoin and the rest in particular. Yet I have heard that Bitcoin is NOT anonymous nowadays , and Monero still is. Can you please tell me what your thoughts are about that assertion?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 13 2022 11:29 utc | 124

FTX was laundering money to Ukraine and back to the US how am I not surprised and I’m certain that the CEO will get a sweetheart deal just like John Corzine, remember him, former Democrat government of New Jersey who “mistakenly” “Co-mingled” client personal accounts to back his failed gambling, I mean investments in MF Global, sorry Crypto investors you’ve just been CORZINED

Posted by: Kadath | Nov 13 2022 11:51 utc | 125

All the wonkish chatter about technicalities of crypto was predictable. One thing crypto is good for is siphoning off 50 billion dollars and making it vanish. Perfect vehicle for that.
The ‘tens of billions’ Ukraine (or Zelensky personally?) “invested’ in FTX is a squishy figure to say the least. If ‘tens’ does mean twenty billion or more it would give the appearance that FTX was created for stealing public money via Ukraine. Likely we will never know if ‘tens’ meant a billion and a half or if it meant thirty billion. Accountants? We don’t need no steenking accountants.
Next question would be does Congress keep sending bales of money to Ukraine? My guess is this scandal wlll make no difference at all. Just fill the airwaves with chatter about mining technicalities and everyones eyes will glaze over. Joe or Hunter Biden will just set up another vehicle to skim 80% of the appropriations and all proceeds as before.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 13 2022 11:58 utc | 126

Quote from “random” post on ZH:

Allegedly FTX was the laundry machine for the Democrats this election cycle. Those “billions” announced for Ukraine were sent over to Kiev. After the leadership there took their cut it was transferred into crypto, sent to FTX then laundered in to USD and donated to various candidates and super PACS as small and large donations from various shell companies. These are the same shell companies used in 2016, 2018, 2020 by the DNC to move money from overseas into the coffers of globalist candidates.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2022 12:04 utc | 127

Another point. Sam Bankman Fried is an absolute zero. A rich kid not doing much else available for a role as frontman. No requirement that he even be much good as a frontman. Stand over there and we will give you lines to read as required.
Elon Musk exactly the same. A complete zero with no bio that makes any sense at all. His money all from .gov subsidies. Do you think that the guy living off .gov is maybe a .gov operation? Apply same to all beta males promoted in the press as tech billionaires.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 13 2022 12:04 utc | 128

@Tim | Nov 13 2022 8:41 utc | 116

Bit coin is the most completely stupid and dysfunctional currency system it is humanly possible to devise in every way. Enormous energy costs; huge transaction costs; impossibly slow; largely hoarded by a tiny number of people; totally reliant on high technology; easily lost without trace; basically a pile of stinking horse shit.

As I write this, I am looking at several big piles of real horse shit. It doesn’t stink. If it stinks, it is fake horse shit.
Cow shit on the other hand…
But yes, I looked at Bitcoin a few years ago and could not determine if I was too dense to understand it or whether it was a scam. Either way, I found it unsafe.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2022 12:22 utc | 129

@Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 8:58 utc | 117

But no one, no authority, is able to manipulate the amount of ₿ in circulation, whereas the $ is manipulated incessantly by the U.S. government and its lackeys.

Not true, you just invent some other crypto name (“Dogecoin” or whatever) and you are good to go. They all compete for the same real world resources.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2022 12:27 utc | 130

Just entered FTX into a google search to see what came up. Summary: Go back to sleep. Nothing happened. Technical talk no one understands, and certainly not the financial journalist writing the story. Not 50 billion, some tens of millions here and there. Sweep it under the rug, no one will notice.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 13 2022 12:27 utc | 131

@Tim Glover #123
You stated:

This honesty is encouraged (not enforced) by carefully balancing electricty costs against the speed of blockchain production. With increasing electricity costs fraud is more likely.

You are conflating 2 things: Bitcoin and electricity fraud. Your comment, or rather your conclusion, sounds like electricity fraud is unique to Bitcoin. I can assure you it is not. Electricity fraud is as old as the existence of electricity. Does that mean the product is fraudulent? Of course not.
A car is built to drive from A to B, yet there are nuts who use a car to drive into a crowd of people. Therefore ban the car? Of course not.
So, if you want to criticize Bitcoin, use proper arguments.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 12:29 utc | 132

@Brother Ma #124
Bitcoin is not anonymous at all, it is not even meant to be: all the transactions are registered on its blockchain are publicly inspectable.
There are, however, ways to obfuscate/jumble the link between transactions and recipients/senders. For example the Wasabi wallet can be used for that. But the transactions on the blockchain remain inspectable.
Monero, OTOH, apparently IS anonymous, but it is a lot less liquid. In fact, the most liquid crypto market is Bitcoin.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 12:34 utc | 133

@Norwegian #130
Dogecoin is one of the 1000s of sh*tcoins out there that has nothing to do with Bitcoin. So, I repeat: no one, no authority, is able to manipulate the amount of ₿ in circulation. Period.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 12:36 utc | 134

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 12:34 utc | 133
Thank you ,Ernesto. I appreciate it.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Nov 13 2022 12:52 utc | 135

MOA: “The amount of coins in the system was also inherently limited which brought with it all the problems of gold back currencies. There are reasons why we no longer use those.”
Yes. The primary reason, is the SWAMP likes to be able to expand the money supply, as it gets first call on the newly created money before the inflationary effect of new money has taken effect.
crypto is inherently deflationary. That is, the value of your crypto would increase as the economy expands.

Posted by: APL | Nov 13 2022 13:27 utc | 136

So in a nutshell: Crypto currencies are merely electronic LEDGERS. The crux is:
1) who controls the ledger,
2) how much “currency” is allowed to be created and
3) can the ledger be altered after the fact.
For Bitcoin (and No other current “coins”), the answers are:
1) no one central authority, and the 10’s of thousands who runs a full node or mining operation
2) 21 million, that’s all, forever, about 18 million already “mined”
3) in normal operation, the blockchain cannot be retroactively changed
For the legacy financial systems:
1) central banks, governments, corporations, the same crooks behind the current economic debacle
2) as many 0s as the above want to create out of thin air, world debt stands well into the trillions
3) you’ll never know how much the above “cook the books”, except we all know they do. There is no “there” there backing any fiat currency EITHER. They claim GDP and bank reserves, but fractional banking AT BEST requires 10% reserves for any loaned (created out of thin air) currency.
Energy? Compare what it takes to run all the banking and financial systems of the world and compare it to bitcoin mining… Bitcoin is microscopic.
The Bitcoin “profits” are distributed, not centralized and concentrated in the hands of the Rothschild class.
The Rothschild class is petrified of Bitcoin, but as hard as they try, it cannot be stopped without completely shutting down the Internet, everywhere, forever. China tried, and failed.
And if crypto currencies are SO BAD, why is every central bank in the world looking to start their own? But you can guarantee NONE of them will be Proof-of-Work like Bitcoin. All CBDCs will be shitcoins, infinitely “printable” and ledgers like trying to nail jello to the wall.

Posted by: Old canadian | Nov 13 2022 13:38 utc | 137

And another couple thoughts:
For a couple $hundred and a decent internet connection, you too can run a Bitcoin Full Node, that keeps track of and verifies Bitcoin transactions. There are off-the-shelf, turnkey hardware/software products that allow you to observe the Bitcoin blockchain.
That’s like being able to look at and verify every transaction your bank, gov’t or invested corporation makes IN REAL TIME. Let that sink in.
And you don’t have to own any Bitcoin to run a Full Node. Try getting into a shareholders meeting without owning one share of that corporation’s stock. Try keeping track of what your gov’t has been up to, even years after the fact. Those $1,000 hammers don’t create themselves.
But like Trump, Russia, China, Bitcoin BAD BAD BAD!
AND FINALLY… All the crooks of the world use fiat currencies, but you don’t see gov’ts falling all over themselves to eliminate their fiat currencies… they just print more to cover endless their corruption and stupidity.
All wars are banker’s wars. Smedley Butler
Take away the main tool of the dictators and the 0.001%. Their ability to control the money supply.

Posted by: Old canadian | Nov 13 2022 13:58 utc | 138

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 9:26 utc | 121
“In reality. Bitcoin’s footprint is approximately 0.13% of total global emissions — again, it’s a rounding error.”
Its hard to see how anyone would think that is small amount (0.13% equals 1/800th). Your numbers suggest that if bitcoin grew 800 times bigger, it would consume an amount equal to all of the world’s current energy usage but only cover about 10% of all the world’s electronic monetary transactions. I’ve seen claims that one bitcoin transaction consumes as much energy as a million credit card transactions.
The problem is bitcoin in its current form is not designed to have any economy of scale.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 13 2022 13:59 utc | 139

snake@120 believes that crooks can be safely relied upon to steal billions of dollars then give it away. This childish faith in human nature would be pitiable were it sincere. No, rich people, whether they get their pelf by legal or less legal means donate money to parties (even if the snakes pretend donations to Republicans somehow don’t count as corruption,) as an investment for political cover. They regard it as an expense, not a purpose and they resent having to pay extortion money to filthy politicians waving around their mandates as if the votes of the rabble meant something. That’s why more and more the rich are backing the Trumps who promise to save the people (meaning, the rich, no matter what the Trumps say) from the evil government (except when the government is acting as the Scourge of God, punishing sin at home and laying waste to the lesser peoples abroad) by setting up a strong government….meaning one that is responsive to the minority of real people (again, the rich.) None of this nonsense about the filthy masses putting in irresponsible types who provide some services to the masses, which is called “bribing the voters.” The extreme right-wing view that government exists to punish the masses, not help them, seems to be prevalent here. The ancient Roman emperors or medieval nobles felt the same way, really the ruling class in all class societies had this visceral fury at the “eaters,” to borrow a phrase.
The notion, expressed for example by Ernesto Che, that paper money means some dire inflationary threat, is falsified by history. Hyperinflation is almost universally associated with defeat in war, or what is much the same thing, defeat in an economic war by much wealthier countries. Lurking in the background is that capital should always have the same value. In a fractional reserve banking system, money and credit are practically speaking inseparable. Economic development means the increase in capital, which means the “price” of capital should decrease, i.e., interest rates should drop in a secular trend. Falling interest rates, more credit, i.e., in fractional reserve banking, long-term “inflation.” Inflationary crises are symptoms of production crises, as in wartime. Wait, we are at hybrid world war III, inflation should be a problem worldwide. Ant there is! This simple observation contradicts the Big Lie that Biden’s socialism is the cause of the problem, when the cause is capitalism, but this is a very right-wing site. Funny money is no permanent solution but hard money is always at the expense of the masses. That is a feature, though, not a bug, in the conservative view.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 13 2022 14:02 utc | 140

There will only ever be 2,100,000,000,000,000 Satoshi’s, the smallest division of a Bitcoin. And less than that if there is no method to reclaim the nearly 4 million “lost” Bitcoins.
By contrast, the US “world reserve currency” has about $5,000,000,000,000 ($5trillion) in circulation today. Count the zeros.
Eventually all non-Bitcoin proof-of-stake crypto schemes will be regulated by gov’ts, because as scams like Mt. Gox, and FTX show, PEOPLE cannot be trusted. Only a backward-immutable, publicly viewable, real-time ledger and stable OPEN SOURCE encoded rules can be trusted.

Posted by: Old canadian | Nov 13 2022 14:16 utc | 141

@jinn #139
Bitcoin was never designed to optimize energy usage, it was designed as a currency, nothing else.
0.13% of energy use is peanuts compared to other huge consumers like the aircraft industry, aluminium smelters, etc.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 15:19 utc | 142

scottindallas | Nov 12 2022 21:20 utc | 73
Next time try arguments instead of ad hominem bullshit.

Posted by: Pnyx | Nov 13 2022 15:35 utc | 143

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 15:19 utc | 142
Bitcoin was never designed to optimize energy usage, it was designed as a currency, nothing else.
In a nutshell that describes the problem with bitcoin.
To be a currency it needs to be used ubiquitously by the general public. Bitcoin is destined to never become a currency because its design failure to optimize energy use will guarantee that bitcoin can never be used for anything more than a very teeny-tiny fraction of all monetary transactions.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 13 2022 16:43 utc | 144

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 13 2022 4:44 utc | 106
he was a noted historian, not blinded by conventional thinking about world war 2.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 13 2022 16:51 utc | 145

This Bankman-Fraud circus gets funnier the more I learn about it.
Just a classic US-American “get rich quick” con-man. P.T. Barnum was right.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 13 2022 16:55 utc | 146

Technically, Bitcoin is Property, not a financial instrument or currency. Even the US gov’t agencies and courts mainly agree on that, to the extent they actually understand anything to do with Bitcoin, “money” or assets. Shitcoins are either fiat-wanna-be’s or assets.
As for exchanges and other crypto service providers… the term you need to learn is SELF CUSTODY or a non-custodial wallet. Keeping your Bitcoin encryption keys in your own “wallet” means no one can access those records on the blockchain without your knowledge and consent. Especially if you run your own Full Node separate from your personal wallet.
Unlike physical gold, Bitcoin is not also a commodity, but shares one of gold’s roles as a store of value. No one expects to walk into a store and purchase goods or services with gold.
So why would Bitcoin be seen as any different? There will be 2nd tier systems like Lightning to make small transactions quick/easy, and the details on that are being tested and improved very quickly.
Bitcoin is purely valued by what someone is prepared to pay or accept for it. The greater fool writ large without the central powers rigging the game in their favour. And then there’s that pesky blockchain that tells the world what people around the world have been valuing it at. Bitcoin currently is “valued” vs. $US, but then so are most other fiat currencies and goods.
The only difference is Bitcoin can be valued against any currency, good or service NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD… I can buy in $CDN one day and sell it in nearly any other world currency tomorrow. As long as you have internet access or can do the transaction peer-to-peer in person. And that’s what scares the Rothschild class… they can’t put the Bitcoin genie back in the fiat reserve currency bottle. And gov’ts can’t tax what they can’t see… encryption and coinjoining are your friend.
No group in power ever gives up that power without a fight. And make no mistake, the Rothschild class and their WEF sycophants are fighting Bitcoin and everything it represents.
Power to the people.

Posted by: Old canadian | Nov 13 2022 17:10 utc | 147

@jinn #144
Bitcoin is 12 years old, older than any of the other cryptos, but still very young compared to fiat currencies. Consequently, it is still evolving and maturing. Despite that, its achievements are that it cannot be tampered with, its use is permissionless, it can be trade across the world instantly and at a fraction of the cost of fiat, its transactions are transparent and fully auditable, it is full decentralized with no authority ➙ freedom. All of this in sharp contrast to fiat.
No currency was ever designed with energy in mind, neither was Bitcoin. The argument of its enormous energy consumption is spurious as I pointed out above. That argument was put out by the central banks because they are losing control. Sure, Bitcoin is not widely accepted yet, but it is growing. If it weren’t or if it were really just a fringe phenomenon, the central banks and governments would not spend their time worrying about it and trying to destroy it.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 13 2022 18:27 utc | 148

Bernhard’s analyses usually are of high quality, but this article on crypto really misses the point.
FTX is not crypto, and crypto is not Bitcoin.
The concept of Bitcoin is that of an inflation-safe currency.
This is accomplished by effectively limiting the amount of the currency (to 21 million bitcoins), and decentralizing the mechanism, such that no single entity – like a central bank – can create inflation by printing money.
The cryptographic mechanisms are designed very well, and until now there are no known flaws. (Re-use of bitcoin addresses should be avoided because of quantum computing: in the future the private key might be derived from the public key revealed when spending an amount from a bitcoin address.)
There is no need for an intrinsic value – also the U.S. dollar, the Euro, and the Ruble don’t have such an intrinsic value, as Nixon ended dollar convertibility to gold in 1971.
The three functions of money mentioned in Marx’s “Capital” (Measure of Value, Medium of Circulation, Store of Value) are perfectly fulfilled by the Bitcoin (BTC), and much better than with regular currencies because of its inherent resistance against inflation (limitation to 21 million bitcoins).
Moreover, you do not even need a bank account to send money to a person in a totally different part of the world.
It’s highly unlikely that “some ‘western’ secret services” are behind that.
First, because of its resistance against inflation, the Bitcoin undermines the U.S. dollar (and all other Western central bank currencies). For good reasons – from her perspective – Hillary Clinton fears the Bitcoin will undermine the U.S. dollar as world reserve currency.
“However, Bitcoin, and Bitcoin only, absolutely can, and is disrupting the dollar as a global reserve currency. Bitcoin is a very real threat to the theft of property perpetrated by governments on their people simultaneously through taxation and currency debasement.” – https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/hillary-clinton-fears-bitcoin-will-undermine-dollar-as-world-reserve-currency
Second, Bitcoin can be used to bypass U.S. sanctions: “There is reason to believe that the Islamic Republic utilizes Bitcoin, whose properties like fungibility, security and decentralization offer an easy mode for the international transfer of funds outside the American monetary architecture, thereby bypassing both the US Dollar and its sanctions.” – https://lebanonlawreview.org/bitcoin-iran/
Third, the Bitcoin is difficult, if not impossible, to seize, which is clearly not what a state actor wants to happen.
The creator of Bitcoin knew that he was setting fire to the U.S. dollar (and all other Western central bank currencies) and was wise enough to therefore use a pseudonym.
Technical challenges such as handling micropayments can also be dealt with. They are deferred to the lightening network. The blockchain (with its 10 minute interval) should be compared with the internet’s backbone, not the whole internet itself. Or maybe with the interbank communication (like SWIFT), although technically any single person with internet access can participate, as there is no gatekeeper.
The concept of decentralization is revolutionary in economics, solving the inflation problem by creating a new digital gold standard with the Bitcoin.
Of course, it remains within the capitalist framework (like other technical inventions such as the internet).
I share Pueyo’s view that the blockchain will kill the nation states, as the decentralized currency will erode the nation’s tax revenue:
Internet and Blockchain Will Kill Nation-States: https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/internet-blockchain-kill-nation-states
The End of Nation-States: https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-end-of-nation-states
Tomas Pueyo:

Crypto Taxes
The more blockchain powers the economy, the harder it will be for nation-state governments to track all these money movements, and the harder it will be for them to tax these movements.
Today, the way governments do it is by regulating local banks, by getting direct data feeds from them, by intervening the international money flows through the SWIFT system, by freezing assets… But how do you do that in a world where all exchanges are decentralized?
This is why the US government freaked out about cryptocurrencies and tried to force every crypto player to report everything. It’s why when El Salvador announced Bitcoin would be legal tender, the World Bank refused to help and the International Monetary Fund warned of dire consequences—both of these organisms are controlled by nation-states, especially the US.
The nation-state fears the loss of its grip on the financial system, without which it’s much harder to force the tax payments it needs. But that trend is imparable.
https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-end-of-nation-states

The Bitcoin was invented in 2009 after the U.S. central bank started printing money excessively (“Quantitative easing (QE)”: buying government bonds hence violating the central bank’s actual purpose to preserve currency stability) in 2008 to cope with the financial crisis:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m1 (click “25Y”).
Of course, it will take a long time until the Bitcoin finally will be established as the digital gold standard.
A high percentage of Bitcoin owners still treat Bitcoin as a speculative asset (like shares at the stock market), making the Bitcoin value very volatile at the moment. It’s quite possible that it will plunge sharply in the near future or even within the next years.
And people still have to learn to distinguish the Bitcoin from other crypto currencies, which are not reliable: Ethereum, for example, lacks the proof-of-work concept, hence it’s not decentralized.
Also, in case of power shortages or blackouts, or internet disruptures, people will have to resort to cash or physical silver and gold.
But in the long-term perspective, Bitcoin will turn out to be the (practically inconfiscatable) digital gold of the 21st century.

Posted by: K. | Nov 13 2022 18:41 utc | 149

Zuckerberg lost more than Fried.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 13 2022 19:39 utc | 150

Enesto @132
“You are conflating 2 things: Bitcoin and electricity fraud. ”
No no. The site you pointed to explained that as electricity prices rise, the proof of work problems are made easier and there is then a greater incentive to get paid for posting fake blocks.

Posted by: Tim | Nov 13 2022 19:51 utc | 151

For all those saying Bitcoin trading is publicly traceable…
Where can you find the listing of transactions, say, from that last 2 days?
2 Weeks?
2 months?
Is there an open source web site, or do you have to be a “trader” to get access?
Is obtaining these records as easy as you say?
(Asking for a friend)

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 13 2022 21:24 utc | 152

Over the years, there has been a lot of talk about “populism,” especially in reference to Trump. Historically populism has stood for things like cancellation of debt; redistribution of land (especially public land) for free or low cost; anti-trust; soft money. This thread has been inadvertently revealing of how few people here are populist in an economic sense.
By the way, populists in the US have typically been associated with widespread voting and things like primaries instead of caucuses, and mass politics in general. Very few here are in favor of that kind of populism either.
Some people do mean “fascist” by “populist.”

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 13 2022 21:31 utc | 153

QUOTE
Crypto ‘currencies’ have no real purpose. They ain’t money. Their value solely depends on the trust people have in them. When the trust vanishes their values go to zero. That is what happened
UNQUOTE
how is that different from what Euro or Dollars are?

Posted by: ZD | Nov 14 2022 8:06 utc | 154

@Tim #151
You clearly have not grasped the fundamental concept of Bitcoin: it is absolutely impossible to have a so-called fake block approved.
You see, whatever is done on the blockchain has to be approved by all the 100,000+ nodes around the world that mine Bitcoin. And for that to happen, apart from the fact that each and every one of those miners would have to bribed, there is also the issue that the new fake block would have to have a validated link with the previous block, which has to have a validated link with the block before that, which has to …… etc.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 14 2022 10:53 utc | 155

@BroncoBilly #152
The blockchain can be inspected with a bitcoin blockchain explorer; here is an example.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 14 2022 10:58 utc | 156

A position in FTX wasn’t in real crypto; it was the equivalent of a paper position in paper gold.
However the whole affair has prompted a big sell in cryptos. This imo is the Achiles heel of e.g. Bitcoin since aggressive moves/failure in the derivatives markets can affect the prices unduly and they will continue to undermine cryptos with such crises and propaganda.
BTW G, Money aint money either. Now that a promise to pay the bearer has been thrown out, it also is entirely dependent on perception.

Posted by: intp1 | Nov 14 2022 15:19 utc | 157

Also b has his limits in analysis and knowledge. FTX is a whole other thing than “everything Crypto”. Like any major US bank is not “all cash money” or SWIFT. They are related but to make them equal is silly. Now it’s possibly certain crypto projects haven been linked to FTX in more ways than we now. But that’s because those projects were floating in investment money from a few. Isn’t that a scam? Yes. But it’s something else than the validy or realibitiy of the whole of cryptography , ledgers, decentralization and algoritms. All I can say is: educate yourself sire!
– “anonymous under the name of one Satoshi Nakamoto. That was the first red light”
It’s mathematics, b. It can be repeated and tested at will. It’s not “opinion” or a red light.
– “It would never reach the speed real money transaction systems”,
Do you happen to know that speed? Not so fast as you think and many blockchains have solved the speed issue by now.
– “Their (crypto) value solely depends on the trust people have in them”
This is not essentially different from gold or the money-by-fiat system we all trust right now. Big deal.

Posted by: John Dowser | Nov 14 2022 15:31 utc | 158

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 13 2022 21:31 utc | 153
The platform of the American populists of the second half of the 19th century included cancellation of debt; redistribution of land; anti-trust; soft money; breaking the railroad and commodity monopolies; democratizing political parties. This political movement and platform had nothing to do with the demagoguery being practiced today in the US. The accumulated wealth the American populists opposed created and spread the theme populism is synonymous with demagoguery, and this theme continues to this day. They were helped by Bryan, whose demagoguery doomed the populist movement.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 14 2022 15:41 utc | 159

K.@149 tries to make a case for Bitcoin, which K. distinguishes from FTX. The argument is very confused. For instance, K. seems to think “fiat” money is created by the state’s central bank and money created by banks is somehow not. It is customary to regard fractional reserve banking as credit instead of money creation, apparently. But it’s not, it’s money creation. (This seems to be the grain of truth in MMT, but MMT no more has a theory of profit than orthodoxy and Austrians, which causes it to fail, in my judgment.)
Further, K., who admittedly isn’t alone in this error, hasn’t caught up with Adam Smith. Adam Smith apparently lived in vain. Nonetheless, Smith did demonstrate, conclusively in my judgment, that the nature and cause of the wealth of nations was not a pile of commodities, not even a pile of gold, but the division of labor developed by investments in land, tools and labor into a more productive system than before. Private initiative could be trusted to develop this division of labor. The mercantilist insistence on government action to ensure hard money, literally a mass of gold, was irrelevant and even worked to stifle initiative. In modern economies, money is inextricably intertwined with credit—as in private banks!—but in the larger sense, all this credit is sustained by the productivity of the whole economy. If everybody wanted to sell one day, nothing would have any value at all. And if everybody wanted to buy one day, the credit they used to buy outlandishly priced commodities would be gone, bringing real production to a halt. Which is to say, the ensuing crisis would leave everyone unable to carry on business at all.
Bitcoin doesn’t have production to back it, neither a single commodity nor a national market’s production and the credit generated therein. Even if you think of so-called fiat currencies as merely a ticket to enter the national market, Bitcoin doesn’t work. The fiat currencies are like the guards at the gate to an old-fashioned bazaar. In one sense, fiat currencies are backed by the armies of the states issuing them. This is one reason why the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. Gimmicks like Bitcoin don’t have this material backing.
Further, the notion that inflation and taxes are the primary exploitation of the masses is absurd. People in general are not overtaxed, they are underpaid. Inflation is not good, but the sad truth is that unemployment is worse. (And from my communist-sympathizer perspective, terribly damaging to the solidarity of the working class, where inflation puts workers and bourgeoisie together as all being consumers…But they aren’t together really, they are class enemies.)
The notion that Bitcoin can operate as a medium of circulation seems a stretch. Paper money was invented in China and reinvented in places like the colonial US because the shortages in a circulating medium strangled economic life. I’m not sure there’s enough gold to practically serve as a medium of circulation. And gold as a store of value has to rest on its use value. Gold bugs never talk about the usefulness of gold, probably because it’s not that useful. You can’t eat it. Buried gold hoards are periodically discovered but food was generally used in the bad time, while gold was hoarded for later, being of no use now. Great terror at inflation is felt by petty bourgeois who have enough capital to fear it losing it’s value and few or no reasonable prospects of making it grow by investment. Hyperinflation can act to dispossess the bourgeoisie. See Preobrazhensky “Paper Currency in the Epoch of Proletarian Dictatorship.”
By and large, though Bitcoin the opposite of funny money theories, it is still crackpot. Hard money fetishism is a tent in class ideology.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 14 2022 16:09 utc | 160

@ steven t johnson #160
You should read the book The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin. The creature is the Federal Reserve System, and the book explains why it was set up.
You will learn that the USD is the opposite of a guard at the gate to an old-fashioned bazaar, which is why we are seeing runaway inflation now. All along history, each time an empire cut its currency loose from a commodity, the empire collapsed, as e.g. the Roman Empire. Why? Because it allows the authorities to create an infinite amout of money out of nothing.
The Byzantine empire survived for 800 years because it stuck to that link. Why? Because the amount of money in circulation was kept finite, which is exactly what Bitcoin does, even more so than gold.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 14 2022 18:40 utc | 161

A young man called Sam Bankman-Fried
Kept the party of power well supplied
By fiddling the books
With known Ukrainian crooks
He’ll be lucky if he’s not Killer-ied

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Nov 14 2022 21:19 utc | 162

@ steven t johnson | Nov 14 2022 16:09 utc | 160
Gold is unique in that it doesn’t oxidize (rust or tarnish) like other metals, even when exposed to sea water. That makes it a “forever” metal.
Gold is VERY useful in microelectronics world. Gold has very low electrical resistance, and being soft (for a metal), is ideal for microwires, contacts and solder. Old computers are recycled for their small gold content.
Silver is similar to gold, although it is harder, and does tarnish some. It is also used in electronics the same as gold. Very present in items such as railroad crossing signals and street lights, where reliability in the elements is very important.
In addition, some regions, such as India, use gold for extensive body decorations in jewelry and even clothing. Worldwide it is recognized as the std for rings, bracelets and necklaces. (no one wears crowns anymore) That hasn’t changed in over 3,000 yrs, and probably won’t in the future.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 15 2022 1:21 utc | 163

@ Ernesto Che | Nov 14 2022 10:58 utc | 156
Thanks. But this tells me nothing without my magic internet decoder ring.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 15 2022 1:35 utc | 164

@BroncoBill #164
I have no idea what you are talking about, perhaps you’d care to explain what you mean by your “magic internet decoder ring”.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 15 2022 6:40 utc | 165

@BroncoBilly #163
Yep, gold is a store of value. Nevertheless, gold will always be produced, which means the amount of gold is increasing, and with advancing mining and refining techniques, that process is accelerating.
That means gold itself is subject to inflation.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Nov 15 2022 6:43 utc | 166

Interesting video about FTX and its connections to the Democratic establishment.

The Deeply Troubling FTX Facts and ‘Coincidences’

A few years ago Russia made some weird claims that Hillary Clinton”s campaign was the beneficiary of some half a $billion of embezzled funds from some scandal. Unfortunately, I do not remember what the scandal was. Epstein, maybe?
No, actually it was Bill Browder, who embezzled the funds.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Nov 17 2022 7:38 utc | 167

More FTX links.
What happened ==> https://milkyeggs.com/?p=175
The connected players involved ==> https://twitter.com/JagoeCapital/status/1590840822916075520

Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2022 8:16 utc | 168

The New York Times to Host Annual DealBook Summit on Nov. 30. The guest list is:
Eric Adams, New York City mayor
Sam Bankman-Fried, FTX C.E.O.
Shou Chew, TikTok C.E.O.
Larry Fink, BlackRock chairman and C.E.O.
Reed Hastings, Netflix founder and co-C.E.O.
Andy Jassy, Amazon president and C.E.O.
Van Jones, CNN host, author and Dream.Org founder
Scarlett Lewis, Jesse Lewis Choose Love Movement founder and mother of Sandy Hook shooting victim, Jesse
Mike Pence, 48th vice president of the United States and author of “So Help Me God”
Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the opposition and former prime minister of Israel
Priscilla Sims Brown, Amalgamated Bank president and C.E.O.
Secretary Janet L. Yellen, U.S. Department of the Treasury
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine
Mark Zuckerberg, Meta founder, chairman and C.E.O.
https://www.nytco.com/press/the-new-york-times-to-host-annual-dealbook-summit-on-nov-30/

Posted by: PDidds | Nov 17 2022 11:20 utc | 169

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 14 2022 16:09 utc | 160
If everybody wanted to sell one day, nothing would have any value at all.
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Well yes, if everybody was relentless in their desire to sell and only sell, but in reality long before prices dropped to zero many a seller would change their minds and want to become buyers taking advantage of the good deals.
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And if everybody wanted to buy one day, the credit they used to buy outlandishly priced commodities would be gone, bringing real production to a halt.
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That doesn’t sound like you understand how the credit money system works.
If everybody (or anybody) took all their bank deposits and spent them the deposits in the banking system would still remain at exactly the same level. Deposits would just move from one account to another. Everybody deciding to spend all their credit money would not make it “gone”. But of course real production would not be able to keep up with demand unless prices rose fast enough to keep the flow of goods at whatever level production could support. That of course assumes people are willing to sell as well as wanting to buy. If everybody purely wants to buy and nobody wants to sell then nothing happens until people all starve and then the people are “gone”
The thing that makes the credit money system “gone” is when everybody wants to neither buy nor sell but wants instead to convert their bank deposits into currency (those paper notes you can put in your wallet) and they do this so that they can hoard the currency. That too leads to severe economic decline and death if carried to its extreme.
Converting your bank deposits to bitcoins doesn’t do anything to the quantity of bank money. The buyer gives up bank deposits and the seller gains the same amount.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 17 2022 15:16 utc | 170

I don’t know if anybody is still interested in the FTX fiasco. For those who may be here is SB-F being interviewed. It looks to me like he is playing the naive young man card and desperately trying to avoid fraud charges.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/former-ftx-ceo-sam-bankman-fried-says-i-didnt-ever-try-to-commit-fraud.html

Posted by: dh | Dec 1 2022 17:53 utc | 171